Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
On 12 January 2012 04:12, li...@thrane.name wrote: Brian Walters wrote: Well, I dunno. I'm not a fan of the fad for ever smaller cameras. My K200D is about right. I've handled a K-r and it's too small. An APS mirrorless camera of any size has an advantage over a DSLR in being able to accept virtually any lens (provided appropriate adapters are available). To me, that's the main advantage. Size isn't an issue. Price is. :-( Brian, don't mistake me for a Q-size fan, which I'm far from being. For a rangefinder-style camera, I'd like a size comparable to the E-P3, or an MX, if you prefer. In fact, I'm still waiting for an MX-D (now possible, by using the mirrorless technology). Assuming that one already owns a medium-size APS DSLR system, I don't see the point of the X-Pro 1 because it does not give noticeable size/weight advantage. Oh, and I can already use all of my lenses on a K-5 ;-) Dario I agree. I was a little excited about the X Pro 1, until I discovered that it is almost the same size as K-5. DagT That was my feeling too, Dag. Although the lack of a grip and pentaprism hump might make it a lot more carryable. I'm now waiting for the CP+ show where Samsung is meant to announce the new NX20. I'm hoping it'll be the size of the NX10, which I find near perfect (size-wise) for a MILC, though I do hate the DSLR shape and much prefer the EVF in the corner, as the NEX-7 and X-Pro 1 have. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
Bob W. has an x100. Any comments on its autofocus (or manual focus, for that matter)? cheers, frank I use the camera almost exclusively in 'silent mode', in which manual focus is switched off. The autofocus seems ok to me, but typically I've already locked focus before pressing the shutter as I wait for the scene to complete and the main subject is not necessarily where the AF is looking. This means that AF speed is not that important. What is more important to me is the shutter lag time, and that's why I use silent mode. The manual focus is only available with the viewfinder info switched off, so you can't see whether it's in focus or not, which makes it completely fecking useless. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
Thanks, Bob. I've heard that the manual focus is next to useless. Sounds like the AF may be workable. Cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Bob W p...@web-options.com Sent: January 13, 2012 1/13/12 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Subject: RE: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses) Bob W. has an x100. Any comments on its autofocus (or manual focus, for that matter)? cheers, frank I use the camera almost exclusively in 'silent mode', in which manual focus is switched off. The autofocus seems ok to me, but typically I've already locked focus before pressing the shutter as I wait for the scene to complete and the main subject is not necessarily where the AF is looking. This means that AF speed is not that important. What is more important to me is the shutter lag time, and that's why I use silent mode. The manual focus is only available with the viewfinder info switched off, so you can't see whether it's in focus or not, which makes it completely fecking useless. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 08:35 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Steven Desjardins wrote: Size comparison with K5 http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmflores/6676569317/ Confirmed, the X-Pro 1 is just another way to make a K-5. IMHO, an APS rangefinder-style camera should be much smaller than that. Otherwise, it's rather pointless. Well, I dunno. I'm not a fan of the fad for ever smaller cameras. My K200D is about right. I've handled a K-r and it's too small. An APS mirrorless camera of any size has an advantage over a DSLR in being able to accept virtually any lens (provided appropriate adapters are available). To me, that's the main advantage. Size isn't an issue. Price is. :-( Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
Brian Walters wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 08:35 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Steven Desjardins wrote: Size comparison with K5 http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmflores/6676569317/ Confirmed, the X-Pro 1 is just another way to make a K-5. IMHO, an APS rangefinder-style camera should be much smaller than that. Otherwise, it's rather pointless. Well, I dunno. I'm not a fan of the fad for ever smaller cameras. My K200D is about right. I've handled a K-r and it's too small. An APS mirrorless camera of any size has an advantage over a DSLR in being able to accept virtually any lens (provided appropriate adapters are available). To me, that's the main advantage. Size isn't an issue. Price is. :-( Brian, don't mistake me for a Q-size fan, which I'm far from being. For a rangefinder-style camera, I'd like a size comparable to the E-P3, or an MX, if you prefer. In fact, I'm still waiting for an MX-D (now possible, by using the mirrorless technology). Assuming that one already owns a medium-size APS DSLR system, I don't see the point of the X-Pro 1 because it does not give noticeable size/weight advantage. Oh, and I can already use all of my lenses on a K-5 ;-) Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
On 1/12/2012 12:58 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Assuming that one already owns a medium-size APS DSLR system, I don't see the point of the X-Pro 1 because it does not give noticeable size/weight advantage. Oh, and I can already use all of my lenses on a K-5 ;-) When they come out with 10 - 20 mm primes that are f/1.4, or faster, you may see the advantage. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
Brian Walters wrote: Well, I dunno. I'm not a fan of the fad for ever smaller cameras. My K200D is about right. I've handled a K-r and it's too small. An APS mirrorless camera of any size has an advantage over a DSLR in being able to accept virtually any lens (provided appropriate adapters are available). To me, that's the main advantage. Size isn't an issue. Price is. :-( Brian, don't mistake me for a Q-size fan, which I'm far from being. For a rangefinder-style camera, I'd like a size comparable to the E-P3, or an MX, if you prefer. In fact, I'm still waiting for an MX-D (now possible, by using the mirrorless technology). Assuming that one already owns a medium-size APS DSLR system, I don't see the point of the X-Pro 1 because it does not give noticeable size/weight advantage. Oh, and I can already use all of my lenses on a K-5 ;-) Dario I agree. I was a little excited about the X Pro 1, until I discovered that it is almost the same size as K-5. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 09:58 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Brian Walters wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012, at 08:35 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Steven Desjardins wrote: Size comparison with K5 http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmflores/6676569317/ Confirmed, the X-Pro 1 is just another way to make a K-5. IMHO, an APS rangefinder-style camera should be much smaller than that. Otherwise, it's rather pointless. Well, I dunno. I'm not a fan of the fad for ever smaller cameras. My K200D is about right. I've handled a K-r and it's too small. An APS mirrorless camera of any size has an advantage over a DSLR in being able to accept virtually any lens (provided appropriate adapters are available). To me, that's the main advantage. Size isn't an issue. Price is. :-( Brian, don't mistake me for a Q-size fan, which I'm far from being. For a rangefinder-style camera, I'd like a size comparable to the E-P3, or an MX, if you prefer. In fact, I'm still waiting for an MX-D (now possible, by using the mirrorless technology). Assuming that one already owns a medium-size APS DSLR system, I don't see the point of the X-Pro 1 because it does not give noticeable size/weight advantage. Oh, and I can already use all of my lenses on a K-5 ;-) Understood, but I always thought the M-series cameras were too small. I prefer my KX to my MX :-) When I mentioned using any lens, I was thinking of several Hexanons that have been gathering dust in my cupboard for far too long. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
I think those photos may be misleading. I bet the k5 is much deeper fore-to-aft than the Fuji. I'm guessing that the grip and the pentaprism bump make the real-world size of the dslr considerably larger. The main misgiving I have with the Fuji is the slow autofocus. Apparently it's better than the x100 but nowhere near dslr capability. Fuji acknowledges that but says fast focusing is not what that camera is about. Perhaps not, but that might affect its ability to be a good street shooter. Apparently the manual focus is just as frustrating (at least on the x100; don't know about the x1 pro yet). cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: li...@thrane.name Sent: January 12, 2012 I agree. I was a little excited about the X Pro 1, until I discovered that it is almost the same size as K-5. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
If you look at the K5/X Pro 1 size comparison from the non-grip side, the body has a similar thickness. The grip and prism bump make up the size difference and probably part of the weight. It's pretty clear that Fuji is going after the M9 in that they want those who can't afford to the M9 to think of this as a good alternative. I think you've zoned in on the biggest problem, however, Frank, which is the slower AF. I've had some luck with the X-10 on moving targets (people) but my personal skill for street work is not sufficient to make a real evaluation. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:00 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I think those photos may be misleading. I bet the k5 is much deeper fore-to-aft than the Fuji. I'm guessing that the grip and the pentaprism bump make the real-world size of the dslr considerably larger. The main misgiving I have with the Fuji is the slow autofocus. Apparently it's better than the x100 but nowhere near dslr capability. Fuji acknowledges that but says fast focusing is not what that camera is about. Perhaps not, but that might affect its ability to be a good street shooter. Apparently the manual focus is just as frustrating (at least on the x100; don't know about the x1 pro yet). cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: li...@thrane.name Sent: January 12, 2012 I agree. I was a little excited about the X Pro 1, until I discovered that it is almost the same size as K-5. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
Because M43 has the same registration distance as the K mount. You'd need an optical adapter to use M43 lenses properly. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: My initial thought is, why didn't they make it m4/3 compatible, so it'd have a nice repertoire of lenses out of the gate? My feeling is that Fuji is well-positioned to compete with Oly Pana in the body/sensor wars. -T On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
David Parsons wrote: Because M43 has the same registration distance as the K mount. You'd need an optical adapter to use M43 lenses properly. No. M4/3 is 19.25, K is 45.46. However, lens coverage for m4/3 (Oly+Pana) is much smaller than APS (Fuji+Pentax+many more). Dario On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: My initial thought is, why didn't they make it m4/3 compatible, so it'd have a nice repertoire of lenses out of the gate? My feeling is that Fuji is well-positioned to compete with Oly Pana in the body/sensor wars. -T On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2012.0.1901 / Database dei virus: 2109/4737 - Data di rilascio: 11/01/2012 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_mount - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses) David Parsons wrote: Because M43 has the same registration distance as the K mount. You'd need an optical adapter to use M43 lenses properly. No. M4/3 is 19.25, K is 45.46. However, lens coverage for m4/3 (Oly+Pana) is much smaller than APS (Fuji+Pentax+many more). Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
Interesting reference in that I've never actually compared the flange distance numbers before. Those mirrorless mounts are so much shorter. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_mount - Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:42 PM Subject: Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses) David Parsons wrote: Because M43 has the same registration distance as the K mount. You'd need an optical adapter to use M43 lenses properly. No. M4/3 is 19.25, K is 45.46. However, lens coverage for m4/3 (Oly+Pana) is much smaller than APS (Fuji+Pentax+many more). Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:25:52AM -0500, David Parsons wrote: Because M43 has the same registration distance as the K mount. You'd need an optical adapter to use M43 lenses properly. You're confusing Four Thirds with Micro Four Thirds. The 4/3 register distance is about the same as that of the K-mount (slightly shorter, but in the same ballpark). Micro 4/3 is a much more compact system. You can get adapters to allow 4/3 (or K-mount) lenses on Micro 4/3 systems. I have the K-mount one; it's about an inch deep (with no optical elements). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
Bob W. has an x100. Any comments on its autofocus (or manual focus, for that matter)? cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com Sent: January 12, 2012 1/12/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses) If you look at the K5/X Pro 1 size comparison from the non-grip side, the body has a similar thickness. The grip and prism bump make up the size difference and probably part of the weight. It's pretty clear that Fuji is going after the M9 in that they want those who can't afford to the M9 to think of this as a good alternative. I think you've zoned in on the biggest problem, however, Frank, which is the slower AF. I've had some luck with the X-10 on moving targets (people) but my personal skill for street work is not sufficient to make a real evaluation. On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 10:00 AM, knarftheria...@gmail.com knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: I think those photos may be misleading. I bet the k5 is much deeper fore-to-aft than the Fuji. I'm guessing that the grip and the pentaprism bump make the real-world size of the dslr considerably larger. The main misgiving I have with the Fuji is the slow autofocus. Apparently it's better than the x100 but nowhere near dslr capability. Fuji acknowledges that but says fast focusing is not what that camera is about. Perhaps not, but that might affect its ability to be a good street shooter. Apparently the manual focus is just as frustrating (at least on the x100; don't know about the x1 pro yet). cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: li...@thrane.name Sent: January 12, 2012 I agree. I was a little excited about the X Pro 1, until I discovered that it is almost the same size as K-5. DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
Size comparison with K5 http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmflores/6676569317/ On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: It's very useful to have and eye level finder for long lenses and MF. In the context of this thread, however, that VF doesn't need to be optical. The X Pro can switch back and forth between the two, but I wonder how necessary that really is if the EVF is fairly high res. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:28 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 09:52:24AM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: On Jan 10, 2012, at 9:47 AM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 07:41:54AM -0500, Steven Desjardins wrote: IMHO, the EVF is probably the best actual route to provide accurate framing and information in non-reflex cameras. The optical one looks nicer, but it's not as useful a tool in terms of information provided. I have found that EVFs are extremely handy in low light. I'm quite interested in an APS rangefinder with low light performance at least as good as the K-5, especially one with an adapter so I can use K-mount lenses. Of course, we're used to all these advantages together with the SLR so individual reactions may vary. I don't feel the EVF limits my photography so the only question now for me is LCD screen versus eye-level. That very much depends on the camera. But from my experience yesterday with the E-PL1 in bright California sunshine (checking out the 40-150 lens that has mysteriously turned up in my wife's camera kit) I think the add-on eye-level finder will soon end up in the bag, too. Wow! that WAF is one sneaky girl. I didn't say who was responsible for the lens turning up there ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
On 11/1/12, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: Size comparison with K5 http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmflores/6676569317/ Interesting. Brilliant website! http://camerasize.com/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
LOL. I should have just linked to the original site. It really is the same size ad the M9. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 11/1/12, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: Size comparison with K5 http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmflores/6676569317/ Interesting. Brilliant website! http://camerasize.com/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
Steven Desjardins wrote: Size comparison with K5 http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmflores/6676569317/ Confirmed, the X-Pro 1 is just another way to make a K-5. IMHO, an APS rangefinder-style camera should be much smaller than that. Otherwise, it's rather pointless. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but based on the described implementation of the OVF and EVF, switching from one to the other with the camera at eye level could be ugly in operation depending on the focal length of the lens being used. Maybe that's just a nit, but it's one among many. It seems to me that this camera trades one set of inconvineces, (those of SLR or rangefinder based viewing and focusing), for another different set. :I'm not at all sure that all this has anything really going for it more than retro looks and novelty. On 1/8/2012 6:32 AM, Miserere wrote: I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
IMHO, the EVF is probably the best actual route to provide accurate framing and information in non-reflex cameras. The optical one looks nicer, but it's not as useful a tool in terms of information provided. Of course, we're used to all these advantages together with the SLR so individual reactions may vary. I don't feel the EVF limits my photography so the only question now for me is LCD screen versus eye-level. As for the X Pro, I'll need to see some output to see if it provides any real advantage over smaller SLRs like the K5 (or it replacement). Of course it will have the chic factor, so a chunk of enthusiast money will go that way. I'll be curious to see if any working pros use it in place of the M9, which is the obvious analog. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:23 AM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but based on the described implementation of the OVF and EVF, switching from one to the other with the camera at eye level could be ugly in operation depending on the focal length of the lens being used. Maybe that's just a nit, but it's one among many. It seems to me that this camera trades one set of inconvineces, (those of SLR or rangefinder based viewing and focusing), for another different set. :I'm not at all sure that all this has anything really going for it more than retro looks and novelty. On 1/8/2012 6:32 AM, Miserere wrote: I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Miserere wrote: I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. I agree, except for size. IMO, the X Pro 1 is (so far) the closest thing to a contemporary rangefinder-style system camera and better than the M9, which is too fat and suffers from too heavy heritage constraints. This said, the X Pro 1 is way too bulky for the concept it embodies. I understand the M9 was forced thicker than desirable because of the M-system register distance, combined with the extra thickness required by the sensor assembly + rear LCD components. However, the X Pro 1 is built from scratch and it is APS, hence it had to be mandatory to make it more compact than a M9, especially regarding its body thickness. A modern rangefinder-style camera has to be more compact and especially much slimmer than a comparable SLR camera. Conceived and built as it is, the X Pro 1 is not far from being just a different way to make a K-5. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I wrote: Conceived and built as it is, the X Pro 1 is not far from being just a different way to make a K-5. However, I'm interested in the X Pro 1 sensor concept and the advantages it can deliver once put in a smaller camera body. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Fuji's EXR sensor could be a real advantage if they can perfect it. The X-10's IQ is very good, especially given the little 2/3 sensor. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: I wrote: Conceived and built as it is, the X Pro 1 is not far from being just a different way to make a K-5. However, I'm interested in the X Pro 1 sensor concept and the advantages it can deliver once put in a smaller camera body. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 07:41:54AM -0500, Steven Desjardins wrote: IMHO, the EVF is probably the best actual route to provide accurate framing and information in non-reflex cameras. The optical one looks nicer, but it's not as useful a tool in terms of information provided. Of course, we're used to all these advantages together with the SLR so individual reactions may vary. I don't feel the EVF limits my photography so the only question now for me is LCD screen versus eye-level. That very much depends on the camera. But from my experience yesterday with the E-PL1 in bright California sunshine (checking out the 40-150 lens that has mysteriously turned up in my wife's camera kit) I think the add-on eye-level finder will soon end up in the bag, too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 10, 2012, at 9:47 AM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 07:41:54AM -0500, Steven Desjardins wrote: IMHO, the EVF is probably the best actual route to provide accurate framing and information in non-reflex cameras. The optical one looks nicer, but it's not as useful a tool in terms of information provided. I have found that EVFs are extremely handy in low light. I'm quite interested in an APS rangefinder with low light performance at least as good as the K-5, especially one with an adapter so I can use K-mount lenses. Of course, we're used to all these advantages together with the SLR so individual reactions may vary. I don't feel the EVF limits my photography so the only question now for me is LCD screen versus eye-level. That very much depends on the camera. But from my experience yesterday with the E-PL1 in bright California sunshine (checking out the 40-150 lens that has mysteriously turned up in my wife's camera kit) I think the add-on eye-level finder will soon end up in the bag, too. Wow! that WAF is one sneaky girl. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just to mention, I have the detachable VF-2 to go with my E-P2. It's essential in bright light. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 12:47 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 07:41:54AM -0500, Steven Desjardins wrote: IMHO, the EVF is probably the best actual route to provide accurate framing and information in non-reflex cameras. The optical one looks nicer, but it's not as useful a tool in terms of information provided. Of course, we're used to all these advantages together with the SLR so individual reactions may vary. I don't feel the EVF limits my photography so the only question now for me is LCD screen versus eye-level. That very much depends on the camera. But from my experience yesterday with the E-PL1 in bright California sunshine (checking out the 40-150 lens that has mysteriously turned up in my wife's camera kit) I think the add-on eye-level finder will soon end up in the bag, too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That very much depends on the camera. But from my experience yesterday with the E-PL1 in bright California sunshine (checking out the 40-150 lens that has mysteriously turned up in my wife's camera kit) I think the add-on eye-level finder will soon end up in the bag, too. I use the LCD or an optical finder quite a lot with wide lenses. I can't imagine not having an EVF or SLR for long lenses ... it's just to hard to point and focus properly without a tripod otherwise. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/1/12, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: IMHO, the EVF is probably the best actual route to provide accurate framing and information in non-reflex cameras. The optical one looks nicer, but it's not as useful a tool in terms of information provided. Of course, we're used to all these advantages together with the SLR so individual reactions may vary. I don't feel the EVF limits my photography so the only question now for me is LCD screen versus eye-level. Interesting. I find my use of the X10 splits into two distinct groups of operation. I use the optical viewfinder for fully automatic spontaneous shots where I am trying to get that single decisive moment that conveys the emotion of the scene. and I use the rear LCD for everything else. :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 09:52:24AM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: On Jan 10, 2012, at 9:47 AM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 07:41:54AM -0500, Steven Desjardins wrote: IMHO, the EVF is probably the best actual route to provide accurate framing and information in non-reflex cameras. The optical one looks nicer, but it's not as useful a tool in terms of information provided. I have found that EVFs are extremely handy in low light. I'm quite interested in an APS rangefinder with low light performance at least as good as the K-5, especially one with an adapter so I can use K-mount lenses. Of course, we're used to all these advantages together with the SLR so individual reactions may vary. I don't feel the EVF limits my photography so the only question now for me is LCD screen versus eye-level. That very much depends on the camera. But from my experience yesterday with the E-PL1 in bright California sunshine (checking out the 40-150 lens that has mysteriously turned up in my wife's camera kit) I think the add-on eye-level finder will soon end up in the bag, too. Wow! that WAF is one sneaky girl. I didn't say who was responsible for the lens turning up there ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
It's very useful to have and eye level finder for long lenses and MF. In the context of this thread, however, that VF doesn't need to be optical. The X Pro can switch back and forth between the two, but I wonder how necessary that really is if the EVF is fairly high res. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:28 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 09:52:24AM -0800, Larry Colen wrote: On Jan 10, 2012, at 9:47 AM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 07:41:54AM -0500, Steven Desjardins wrote: IMHO, the EVF is probably the best actual route to provide accurate framing and information in non-reflex cameras. The optical one looks nicer, but it's not as useful a tool in terms of information provided. I have found that EVFs are extremely handy in low light. I'm quite interested in an APS rangefinder with low light performance at least as good as the K-5, especially one with an adapter so I can use K-mount lenses. Of course, we're used to all these advantages together with the SLR so individual reactions may vary. I don't feel the EVF limits my photography so the only question now for me is LCD screen versus eye-level. That very much depends on the camera. But from my experience yesterday with the E-PL1 in bright California sunshine (checking out the 40-150 lens that has mysteriously turned up in my wife's camera kit) I think the add-on eye-level finder will soon end up in the bag, too. Wow! that WAF is one sneaky girl. I didn't say who was responsible for the lens turning up there ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
More specs: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/in-deep-look-fuji-x-pro-1-specs/ On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: The x10 and this new one are very different beasts. It's nice to have a compact for certain trips. Steve Desjardins On Jan 8, 2012 7:59 PM, wendy beard pointyp...@gmail.com wrote: Of course they had to wait until I decided to buy the X10 before they made the announcement! Sounds like the camera I wanted the X100 to be (which I also owned and sold and replaced with the X10) Wendy On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
Hit send too quickly. ;-) It's big for this kind of camera, not that much smaller than a K5. The output would have to be really good for this body to be a consideration. On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: More specs: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/in-deep-look-fuji-x-pro-1-specs/ On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: The x10 and this new one are very different beasts. It's nice to have a compact for certain trips. Steve Desjardins On Jan 8, 2012 7:59 PM, wendy beard pointyp...@gmail.com wrote: Of course they had to wait until I decided to buy the X10 before they made the announcement! Sounds like the camera I wanted the X100 to be (which I also owned and sold and replaced with the X10) Wendy On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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DPR preview: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/09/FujifilmXPro1_Preview -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That link didn't quite work: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/10/FujifilmXPro1_Preview On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: DPR preview: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01/09/FujifilmXPro1_Preview -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My history with Fuji digital cameras ... - I had a Fuji F30 for a time. I bought it because I wanted something compact that worked at least decently in low-ish light, and it did. However, I gave it away because I realized that in two to three years, I'd only made 300 exposures with it. Why? Because the menu was very nearly impenetrable to me. - When the Fuji X100 was announced, I was gung-ho for it. It looked beautiful. But as soon as I handled one, I put it down. Beautiful as the design might be, the locations of the controls and ergonomics in use were hopeless for my hands. The menus were the same as for the F30: nearly impenetrable. That's when I discovered the Ricoh GXR. I have not regretted buying the GXR for one second: it is a superb camera. The A12 Camera Mount is astonishingly good. Cotty got the Fuji X10 raved how wonderful it was. It piqued my interest because the combination of a manually controlled zoom with a zooming optical finder seemed intriguing. I bought one. My sum up ... - I never saw any of the saturation blobs in my photographs that people seem to be so upset about. Just didn't find anything that created them, I guess. - Overall, the picture quality was excellent but somehow lacking to my eye. Maybe I've gotten spoiled, but even my partner who isn't a photographer at all said, They look nice. But they're flat, they don't seem to have the look that your other pictures do. - I find several niggles with the control layout: confusing menus and options, buttons that don't fit my hands or where I expect to reach to use them, an overall feel of too many bits and buttons in too little space for my comfort. - The manual zoom control and matched, zooming optical viewfinder are certainly very nice. And the viewfinder is pretty good quality. The focusing speed and shot to shot response is very good. Lots of fun imaging effects in it too. - The 2/3 sensor is very good for providing lots of DoF, but that's also the negative side of the X10 for me: such a small sensor means too little focus zone control for my preferences. - Not Fuji's fault, but the fancy sensor dynamics seemed to cause no end of problems in processing raw files with Lightroom v3.6. In the end, I couldn't think of a reason why I'd prefer to carry the Fuji X10 instead of my Ricoh GXR other than the availability of a short zoom lens with matched optical finder. That was just not enough. It's a good camera, just not for me. Back to the dealer it went. So there's a new Fuji with a larger sensor and interchangeable lenses. They'll have to do a *heck* of a lot better on the control ergonomics, a *massive* amount better on the menus to even interest me. They're providing an M-bayonet lens adapter ... they're going to have to do a *HUGE* amount better than the GXR on RF lens compatibility to get my attention. The new Fuji lens line might be very nice ... but I already have several thousand dollar invested in M-Bayonet lenses that I like a lot so I'm totally uninterested in buying another new set of lenses. And then there's the raw support issue. Sorry, but I'll pass. Too many issues. I may eat my hat at some time in the future (I'll get recipes from Cotty :-), but for the moment I have zero interest in it. On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Fuji X Pro 1 (X100 + interchangeable lenses)
From: Miserere I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, Something else I can't afford. Everything I read sounds great, but I don't think it's in my future unless someone happens to give me a winning lottery ticket. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/1/12, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg I posted about it on FB a couple of days ago. Looks fabulous but I won't be able to afford anything like that for a long time. To be honest, the X10 is satisfying all my needs at the moment - the more I use it, the more I love it. Truly a remarkable little thing - I hope to post a Cotty's Review in due course. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/ FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg I posted about it on FB a couple of days ago. Looks fabulous but I won't be able to afford anything like that for a long time. To be honest, the X10 is satisfying all my needs at the moment - the more I use it, the more I love it. Truly a remarkable little thing - I hope to post a Cotty's Review in due course. I had a little fondle of an X10 yesterday while Mike I were doing the rounds of the shops. I was expecting it to be metallic rather than plasticky and that was a bit disappointing, but I suppose for half the price of the X100 I shouldn't be disappointed. The X1 sounds interesting, but not for me. I already have a couple of Leica bodies for the lenses, so the X100 is still adequate for its purpose. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/1/12, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty got the Fuji X10 raved how wonderful it was. It piqued my interest because the combination of a manually controlled zoom with a zooming optical finder seemed intriguing. I bought one. My sum up ... You sly dog!!! - I never saw any of the saturation blobs in my photographs that people seem to be so upset about. Just didn't find anything that created them, I guess. +1 - Overall, the picture quality was excellent but somehow lacking to my eye. Maybe I've gotten spoiled, but even my partner who isn't a photographer at all said, They look nice. But they're flat, they don't seem to have the look that your other pictures do. Find this a bit odd. I have mine set to the Velvia setting and the tone and colours jump out at me and grab me by the throat! I absolutely love it! But surely this is to do with post-processing for printing? - I find several niggles with the control layout: confusing menus and options, buttons that don't fit my hands or where I expect to reach to use them, an overall feel of too many bits and buttons in too little space for my comfort. It's a very small camera - on the borderline for my big hands but that's also why I love it - I can carry it one-handed with no strap and it can't be easily seen until brought up to the eye. I thought that I would like it a little bigger when I first got it but now in retrospect I realise I was wrong - it is the perfect size for me. I have no issues with buttons or placement. If you want eclectic, I reckon you can't beat an EOS 1D series! - The manual zoom control and matched, zooming optical viewfinder are certainly very nice. And the viewfinder is pretty good quality. The focusing speed and shot to shot response is very good. Lots of fun imaging effects in it too. It packs a lot in - and some might think it tries to be too much - but actually if I had to take one camera around the world with me, traveling light - I would have no hesitation in choosing the X10. - The 2/3 sensor is very good for providing lots of DoF, but that's also the negative side of the X10 for me: such a small sensor means too little focus zone control for my preferences. Agreed. That said, I wouldn't choose any camera with a small sensor for such work. - Not Fuji's fault, but the fancy sensor dynamics seemed to cause no end of problems in processing raw files with Lightroom v3.6. I'm back to jpegs I'm afraid - the dynamic range feature gives amazing latitude - plenty for my needs. I'm happy-snapping my way :) In the end, I couldn't think of a reason why I'd prefer to carry the Fuji X10 instead of my Ricoh GXR other than the availability of a short zoom lens with matched optical finder. That was just not enough. It's a good camera, just not for me. Back to the dealer it went. Fair enough! I am so glad I got one - it's just what I wanted! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/1/12, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I had a little fondle of an X10 yesterday while Mike I were doing the rounds of the shops. I was expecting it to be metallic rather than plasticky and that was a bit disappointing, Totally flummoxed at this! It is made of metal - well mine is and doesn't feel plasticky at all ?? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had a little fondle of an X10 yesterday while Mike I were doing the rounds of the shops. I was expecting it to be metallic rather than plasticky and that was a bit disappointing, Totally flummoxed at this! It is made of metal - well mine is and doesn't feel plasticky at all ?? the top and base are metal and so are some of the bits, but it was the body part that felt wrong to me. I had the X10 with me, too, so I could compare - it felt a lot cheaper to me. But, I really, really, like the on/off switch! It took me a while to find it, but as soon as I did I had to ask why has it taken so long for someone to do this! It's brilliantly efficient and a great idea. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My initial thought is, why didn't they make it m4/3 compatible, so it'd have a nice repertoire of lenses out of the gate? My feeling is that Fuji is well-positioned to compete with Oly Pana in the body/sensor wars. -T On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 8/1/12, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Cotty got the Fuji X10 raved how wonderful it was. It piqued my interest because the combination of a manually controlled zoom with a zooming optical finder seemed intriguing. I bought one. My sum up ... You sly dog!!! Well, I figured that if I recommended it to my brother, I better have one because I'll be on the phone with him about it for hours if he buys one. ;-) - Overall, the picture quality was excellent but somehow lacking to my eye. Maybe I've gotten spoiled, but even my partner who isn't a photographer at all said, They look nice. But they're flat, they don't seem to have the look that your other pictures do. Find this a bit odd. I have mine set to the Velvia setting and the tone and colours jump out at me and grab me by the throat! I absolutely love it! But surely this is to do with post-processing for printing? Um, no. I tried all the film modes and wasn't particularly thrilled with the rendering qualities. Velvia is over the top for me ... the colors are heavily saturated but the images lack something that i'm looking for. Perhaps it's dimensionality etc. Felipe's terrible at articulating what he means, but I had the same feeling. I'd put together a little sample gallery of processed JPEGs ... http://gallery.me.com/godders#100431 There are no bad photos there, technically, but they just lack something that's difficult to articulate when I compare them to what I get with my other cameras. They look like what I used to get with other small sensor cameras, and it just doesn't compel me: that's why I sold all of them. In the end, I couldn't think of a reason why I'd prefer to carry the Fuji X10 instead of my Ricoh GXR other than the availability of a short zoom lens with matched optical finder. That was just not enough. It's a good camera, just not for me. Back to the dealer it went. Fair enough! I am so glad I got one - it's just what I wanted! Yup. That's why it's good there are so many choices. The GXR makes it for me. For that one camera to carry around the world, at present it would be the GXR with the M-lens camera unit and three lenses (like I had with me when I was visiting you in October), or just the GXR and the A12 50mm Macro. Size, weight, overall burden to deal with it about the same. Controls, build, features and image quality are outstanding, It's my number. I want a Leica M9 and I'll likely buy one soon, but whether I actually need more than what the GXR does ... well, I'm a realist: I know the answer to that. :-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/1/12, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: There are no bad photos there, technically, but they just lack something that's difficult to articulate when I compare them to what I get with my other cameras. They look like what I used to get with other small sensor cameras, and it just doesn't compel me: that's why I sold all of them. Fair enough but I think you're barking mad mate ;-) This is superb: http://gallery.me.com/godders#100431/20111231_walk-08bgcolor=black -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Some nice photos of the camera in this post: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/two-new-full-size-x-pro-1-images —M. On 8 January 2012 12:32, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/1/12, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: Some nice photos of the camera in this post: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/two-new-full-size-x-pro-1-images OH MY GOD i might have to rethink -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 8/1/12, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: Some nice photos of the camera in this post: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/two-new-full-size-x-pro-1-images OH MY GOD i might have to rethink LOL ... it's darn pretty, yes indeed. :-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Of course they had to wait until I decided to buy the X10 before they made the announcement! Sounds like the camera I wanted the X100 to be (which I also owned and sold and replaced with the X10) Wendy On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised none of you are talking about this camera: http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/FujiFilmMirrorless_2.jpg There was interest on the list for the Fuji X100, and now Fuji are finally releasing an interchangeable lens version, called X Pro 1, with (initially) 3 primes: * 18mm f/2 * 35mm f/1.4 * 60mm f/2.4 macro Registration distance is said to be 17.7mm and the mount will accomodate Leica M lenses. It'll have a 16MP APS-C sensor with RGB filter [...] arranged in random blocks of 6x6 pixels which avoids the need for AA filter. I'll wait for the official release to see what this means exactly. As for price, in the EU it's rumoured to be 1,300 Euros for the body + 35mm lens. I, for one, am excited about this camera, which to my mind is what the X100 should've been from the start. More info: http://photorumors.com/2012/01/07/detailed-fuji-x-pro-1-specs-you-must-read-this It's going to be announced tomorrow, Monday 9th. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
