Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
I prefer the MZ-X. Did you ever see one? 2006/9/26, Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview. This one is strange: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount ps prototype. Anybody have any ideas? j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview. This one is strange: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount ps prototype. Anybody have any ideas? j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
Ah, never mind. It's a mockup from 1997. I should have read the text: We were fascinated by the 'Pentax Design Studio' display of mockup concept models including the ultra-compact 'Digital K' SLR from 1997 - a 'headless' K mount body with no viewfinder and a live view LCD. Interesting. j On 9/26/06, Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview. This one is strange: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount ps prototype. Anybody have any ideas? j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
Juan Buhler wrote: There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview. This one is strange: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount ps prototype. Anybody have any ideas? j Pentax makes me laugh. That thing has been around for years and years. Perhaps they can come up with something new to show off their design abilities -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
On 9/27/06, Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were fascinated by the 'Pentax Design Studio' display of mockup concept models including the ultra-compact 'Digital K' SLR from 1997 - a 'headless' K mount body with no viewfinder and a live view LCD. Interesting. Ugly. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
It's the mythical Digital Viewfinder DSLR. (Oh, God I hope not). Juan Buhler wrote: There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview. This one is strange: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount ps prototype. Anybody have any ideas? j -- Things should be made as simple as possible -- but no simpler. --Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
On 9/26/06, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juan Buhler wrote: There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview. This one is strange: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount ps prototype. Anybody have any ideas? j Pentax makes me laugh. That thing has been around for years and years. Perhaps they can come up with something new to show off their design abilities Wouldn't a K-mount DV camera be fun? ;) -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
At 09:17 AM 27/09/2006, Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/26/06, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax makes me laugh. That thing has been around for years and years. Perhaps they can come up with something new to show off their design abilities Wouldn't a K-mount DV camera be fun? ;) Not Really Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
Scott Loveless wrote: On 9/26/06, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juan Buhler wrote: There are some pictures of the Pentax booth at Photokina in dpreview. This one is strange: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg K mount, no mirror box... Looks like a k-mount ps prototype. Anybody have any ideas? j Pentax makes me laugh. That thing has been around for years and years. Perhaps they can come up with something new to show off their design abilities Wouldn't a K-mount DV camera be fun? ;) To laugh at ;-) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg Wouldn't a K-mount DV camera be fun? ;) Could be. But someone would have to make an APS-C sensor that didn't need any mechanical shutter. Does any such animal exist? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
On 9/26/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't a K-mount DV camera be fun? ;) Could be. But someone would have to make an APS-C sensor that didn't need any mechanical shutter. Does any such animal exist? A bit smaller than APS, but Sigma today introduced this camera, which seems pretty interesting: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0609/06092604sigmadp1.asp I'd love to see a camera like that (Foveon or not, I don't care) with a mechanical lens, ie, one where focus and zoom are operated directly and not through a motor. j -- Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina) Could be. But someone would have to make an APS-C sensor that didn't need any mechanical shutter. Does any such animal exist? Wouldn't have to be. Your 50mm lens could be a 300... WW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: What is this thing? (Pentax at Photokina)
Mark Roberts wrote: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/articles/photokina2006/Pentax/IMG_0409.jpg Wouldn't a K-mount DV camera be fun? ;) Could be. But someone would have to make an APS-C sensor that didn't need any mechanical shutter. Does any such animal exist? Sony's got an excellent 10MP 1.7x one. And I suspect the 6MP hybrid shutter sensors in the D50 and D70 could be modified to go completely electronic. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re[2]: Pentax at Photokina
Hi, Thursday, October 3, 2002, 4:55:53 AM, you wrote: Digital makes EVERYTHING better! I am native I know. But digital does not make things better. Just look at the unemployment rate all over the world due to computing automation. As far as I can see, computers are here to take over our jobs. :( This is not really borne out by the figures. There's an interesting little piece here in which James Crabtree describes it as 'creative destruction'. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2263916.stm --- Bob
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Not withstanding the fact that the everything better claim doesn't sell very well, it has been my experience that digital has not reduced employment --- and almost always in the short to medium term increase staffing. I seldom find in administrative areas that there are any staff reductions achieved, mostly net increases. Some times the time lost dealing with losses due to new ability to play rather than work can be quite frustrating and very difficult to deal with. But these are just my observations. Would be interested in reading any publications you might have that support your theory. Otis Wright Alan Chan wrote: Digital makes EVERYTHING better! I am native I know. But digital does not make things better. Just look at the unemployment rate all over the world due to computing automation. As far as I can see, computers are here to take over our jobs. :( regards, Alan Chan
Re: Pentax at Photokina (mostly gone OT)
Beware not to confuse digital with electronical or mechanical. My MX is mechanical, an MZ-S is electronical, but none of them are digital. I guess a 100% digital automobile for instance would have a driving software running on and replacing the usual tasks of the driver (turning, accelerating, braking...), while connecting to an online database to get appropriate road and GPS info. While in modern cars some parts may be digital (GPS assistance), most of the remaining parts are mechanical (engines) and/or electronical (braking or turning assistance). While mechanical/electronical machines reduces our needs of pure human work (like in industry or farming) digital avoids us to think and to take decisions. Therefore I think a huge difference is to be stated between those terms. And those against digital maybe the proud defenders of mechanical and electronical machines ! If washing machines were to become digital, loaded with a software that would choose what water temperature to select depending on the type of clothes you put in, won't you prefer selecting the appropriate program by yourself ? just my 2.54 euro cents on the topic... I guess we should give up automobiles, farm machinery, assembly lines and all automation so we can go back to carving horse carts out of wood. Alan Chan wrote: I am native I know. But digital does not make things better. Just look at the unemployment rate all over the world due to computing automation. As far as I can see, computers are here to take over our jobs. :(
Re: Pentax at Photokina (mostly gone OT)
On Thursday, October 3, 2002, at 10:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While mechanical/electronical machines reduces our needs of pure human work (like in industry or farming) digital avoids us to think and to take decisions. Therefore I think a huge difference is to be stated between those terms. And those against digital maybe the proud defenders of mechanical and electronical machines ! If washing machines were to become digital, loaded with a software that would choose what water temperature to select depending on the type of clothes you put in, won't you prefer selecting the appropriate program by yourself ? just my 2.54 euro cents on the topic... Personally, I'm looking forward to the long rumored but as yet unseen Pentax DWM (Digital Washing Machine). I just want to pile all the clothes I own into it and let the DWM use its 6 segment matrix metering and its next-gen *USM to optimize the temperature, detergents, and level of agitation necessary to ensure my skivies come out exactly 18% gray. It's supposed to be backwardly compatible with all my previous model clothing, too. Dan ScottI'll see your two and raise you two. (*USM: Ultra-Sonic-Mixing)
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
Peter Alling wrote: They'd have to redesign the electronics to handle it, the sensor wouldn't/couldn't be just a direct replacement. That's not much of a problem considering all the effort they put into designing the rest of the body. Tooling is expensive (so is development time) and it'd be a shame to waste the investment. I think that releasing the MZ-D with a different sensor would be a very good idea. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Pål Jensen wrote: Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; This isn't far-fetched at all - companies do it all the time. In fact, the company I work for is attending some industry trade-shows in the next few months and will be doing exactly the same thing: new products we're still working on will be shown only to selected important customers, behind closed doors. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Re: Pentax at Photokina
Pal wrote: The Pentax booth was arranged by the German Pentax distributor, not Pentax Japan, but a Pentax Japan delegation was present. This is of course a bit strange. Not at all strange and no different than in years past: Pentax Germany has always (at least for the last 12 years) made the actual show arrangements, with the (former) Pentax Europe office from Brussels handling hotels and other details. Asahi Optical Co., Ltd. gave final approval for the arrangements but did not actually get involved in any stage of the planning/arrangements. AOC always sent a delegation to attend the show. Perhaps the bigger-than-usual turnout of head office visitors (if indeed there were more) this year might have to do with the change in management, management style and general change in attitude of the company. Pat Temmerman [MZ3_fella] ___ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
I don't doubt that they will come out with these products eventually, it's just that they will miss the moment when they would be exciting, state-of-the-art innovations, and wait until they are nice, but no better than a lot of products the competition came out with 2 years earlier. tom wrote: BTW, though I'll be the first to admit Pentax is molasses-slow in releasing new products, we've seen missives like yours before the MZ-S was released, before the 67II was released, before the 645n was released, etc. Just because they didn't release anything at Photokina doesn't mean they've folded up the tent and gone home.
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
Yes that is true but all of the support circuitry would have to be redesigned. I think that one of the problems that Pentax had with the so called MZ-D was that they planned to steal a 2 year jump on the competition with a 6 megapixel full frame design and realized they had a soon to overpriced middle of the road offering. What was the time between the expected release date of the MZ-D and Kodak's 11 megapixel full frame offering, about 6 months, I believe. Pentax has to re-think it's marketing plan as well as take that RD and build a more competitive product. At 07:17 PM 10/2/2002 +1200, you wrote: Peter Alling wrote: They'd have to redesign the electronics to handle it, the sensor wouldn't/couldn't be just a direct replacement. That's not much of a problem considering all the effort they put into designing the rest of the body. Tooling is expensive (so is development time) and it'd be a shame to waste the investment. I think that releasing the MZ-D with a different sensor would be a very good idea. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
RE: Pentax at Photokina
on 10/01/02 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHAT ABOUT THE FOOT POWDER? Cameron Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:00:11 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Jensen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pentax at Photokina Message-ID: 001701c26974$7bef5340$b7ad4382@oemcomputer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras. Pål
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
on 10/01/02 9:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would it take them so much time to revamp their product after the demise of the MZ-D? Canon and Nikon are coming out with new cameras with new sensors at a phenominal rate in order to capture the market, and they may be about to capture my meagre share. Why couldn't Pentax just do a quick turnaround with another viable chip and introduce the damn thing? A new sensor, a bit of new electronics and software updates, but it should not take them this long to respond to market demands. Its not like hey needed to totally redesign the thing; the MZ-D was gorgeous, and just what we have been clamouring for. This is beyond slow; its ridiculous. Cameron on 10/01/02 12:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:11:09 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Jensen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina Message-ID: 001701c26975$ec67a220$b7ad4382@oemcomputer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit on 01.10.02 19:19, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are playing with stuff in the lab. They have nothing close to a production sample. I assume this is about the digital slr. In fact, the pentax digital slr was manufactured but not marketed. There are many units in daily use in Japan by photographers with Pentax connection. The production line is in place and test production was started. Pål
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Yes, Let us travel to Photokina. Let us pay exspenses for shipping people, materials, security and supplies. Let us put it in a locked safe and show no one outside of our own company. Let us waste more money that could be used to turn around this bloated wasteball of a company that turns it's back on its subscribers in the digital community. Ok, maybe I went too far, IL Bill Daniel J. Matyola wrote: It doesn't sound very plausible. Pål Jensen wrote: Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras.
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Pentax does produce the Optio digitals. That doesn't sound like Pentax is turning its back to its subscribers in the digital community. Need a DSLR check out Nikon, Canon, Fuji, or Kodak. Lots to choose from. Sell your Pentax stuff. I might be interested. Jim A. From: William Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 18:26:39 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax at Photokina Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:29:41 -0400 Yes, Let us travel to Photokina. Let us pay exspenses for shipping people, materials, security and supplies. Let us put it in a locked safe and show no one outside of our own company. Let us waste more money that could be used to turn around this bloated wasteball of a company that turns it's back on its subscribers in the digital community. Ok, maybe I went too far, IL Bill Daniel J. Matyola wrote: It doesn't sound very plausible. Pål Jensen wrote: Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras.
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Digital makes EVERYTHING better! I am native I know. But digital does not make things better. Just look at the unemployment rate all over the world due to computing automation. As far as I can see, computers are here to take over our jobs. :( regards, Alan Chan
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Hi Alan, In my industry and business in general, the computer revolution has created more jobs. If there is a shift, like on-line banking or buying on line, it is where the customer replaces the clerk. I wonder what the employment numbers in IT are now? Considering there was no such industry 25 or so years ago! Bob Rapp - Original Message - From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am native I know. But digital does not make things better. Just look at the unemployment rate all over the world due to computing automation. As far as I can see, computers are here to take over our jobs. :( regards, Alan Chan
RE: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
Maybe the successor to the aborted full frame MZ-D was to be a cropped 3-4MP camera as was thought here at the time the first one was pulled. Maybe Pentax recently realised that this would no longer be saleable either. Sigma only get away with it because they have Foveon. A 3-4MP cropped bayer for £1500 just wouldn't sell very well these days, so maybe they had another aborted project they have to recover from before they can come up with something. Let us hope that when they do, the same problem doesn't happen again. -Original Message- From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 October 2002 14:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins Subject: Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina You know, I hate to start speculation all over agin, but the fact that they didn't release anything might indiciate that they just chose to skip this show, no matter how big it is. It's hard to belieive that they have develped nothing at all, including PS. It is harder still to believe they would skip the most important photo show in the world if, in fact, they had anything to show. William Robb
RE: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
-Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:09 AM Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I hate to start speculation all over agin, but the fact that they didn't release anything might indiciate that they just chose to skip this show, no matter how big it is. It's hard to belieive that they have develped nothing at all, including PS. It's certainly odd. It's possibly even weirder that Nikon didn't show anything. Anyone on any Nikon mailing lists? I'd expect they're wondering why Nikon didn't announce a full-frame digital SLR, especially after Canon and Kodak (with a Nikon lens mount) did. What's the speculation from the Nikon fanatics out there? I was also amazed and disappointed to get nothing new from Fuji. The ISO 100 Velvia was widely anticipated (and, frankly, would have been a lot more useful to me than a Pentax digital SLR). Curiouser and curiouser. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing Mark, There was quite some talk on a few lists about nothing coming out of Nikon. The manual focus people were not surprised. The digital people, D1-, finally justified it in that the timing with their other releases would not fit in the Photokina time frame. It is just too soon for the next iteration to come out for them. Also since they are leading Canon, they don't need to respond to everything Canon comes out with. And of course with the Kodak showing Nikon is getting business in that manner. Then began the whole debate about Nikon setting the standard, people not needing more pixels, no need for a full frame sensor because of yadda, yadda, yadda. Very entertaining. It was most interesting observing the talk there and comparing it to the talk here. As an aside, I got offered a D1X at an awesome price. New, from the factory. Verrry tempting. If not that, then there was a D100 available to me. I was talking to the owner of the store and he had a sales clerk take the D1X out of the box, put on a lens and hand it to me. He was going for the hard sell. He does not let just anyone handle camera gear of that worth. Maybe it is time to dust off my Nikon lenses and see how well they work with the D1X:-) I have access to one here at work, along with a D1H. He kept telling me that I would find it useful during the festival this past weekend. I ended up shooting nine rolls of mostly color slide film instead using the MZ-S mostly. Cesar Panama City, Florida
RE: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
-Original Message- From: Rob Brigham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Maybe the successor to the aborted full frame MZ-D was to be a cropped 3-4MP camera as was thought here at the time the first one was pulled. Maybe Pentax recently realised that this would no longer be saleable either. I still think we'll have a DSLR available in the spring. I'm a bit surprised we didn't get any word of it at Photokina, but, again, we all know Pentax are marketing freaks and don't do things the easy way. ;) I'm also surprised not to have seen a new slide film from Fuji. I generally don't pay too much attention to what goes on at these photo shows, but I must say the new Hasselblad has really turned my head. It looks like the ultimate wedding camera. tv
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 08:51 AM, Rob Brigham wrote: Maybe the successor to the aborted full frame MZ-D was to be a cropped 3-4MP camera as was thought here at the time the first one was pulled. Maybe Pentax recently realised that this would no longer be saleable either. Sigma only get away with it because they have Foveon. A 3-4MP cropped bayer for £1500 just wouldn't sell very well these days, so maybe they had another aborted project they have to recover from before they can come up with something. I don't know, if the anticipation of somethinganything with a k-mount on it is as fervent among off list Pentaxians as it is on, there might well be a market for one. All they'd need to do is to drop the price on that model once the successor was ready, and they'd have their more reasonably priced entry level dslr and their full frame dslra good start into a multiple dslr lineup akin to their current slr lineup. Dan Scott
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
All Pentax needs to do is buy some of those Kodak chips and stick them in the MZ-D, rememeber it was finished they just needed a chip for it. Now that said who knows if they are just waiting for cheaper chips? __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still think we'll have a DSLR available in the spring. I'm a bit surprised we didn't get any word of it at Photokina, but, again, we all know Pentax are marketing freaks and don't do things the easy way. Well, *if* Pentax has a DSLR in the works, I'm not surprized they didn't announce it at Photokina. If they announce again, even with a prototype (or worse yet, a non-working display model) no one will take them seriously after whatranspired with the MZ-D. If/when they announce, they'll do it when they have working prototypes and a definite shipping date. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com Photography and writing
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
Nikon had a few things, like the 70-200 VR/AF-S finally going on sale and a few PS digis. Nikon did release a new DSLR this year at PMA. It seems to be a combination of Nikon being more interested in PMA (they sell more in NA) and them announcing new products when they have them. In many ways the Kodak full frame DSLR is just as good for Nikon's business as them introducing their own. As much as Nikon fans want all sorts of new stuff right now (!), there is less real concern, because Nikon will sooner or later come out with what they need/want. From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's certainly odd. It's possibly even weirder that Nikon didn't show anything. Anyone on any Nikon mailing lists? I'd expect they're wondering why Nikon didn't announce a full-frame digital SLR, especially after Canon and Kodak (with a Nikon lens mount) did. What's the speculation from the Nikon fanatics out there?
RE: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Elvis. Just about as likely as this happenning, although I wish it to be true... -Original Message- From: Brendan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 October 2002 15:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina All Pentax needs to do is buy some of those Kodak chips and stick them in the MZ-D, rememeber it was finished they just needed a chip for it. Now that said who knows if they are just waiting for cheaper chips? __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Mark, FWIW, my local lab owner here said that from his experience, PMA shows are bigger and more important for product announcements than Photokina. I guess frequency is one reason. A show every two years doesn't make for as good a venue as a show every year. Perhaps Pentax and Nikon have plans for the PMA. Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 6:09:25 AM, you wrote: MR Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I hate to start speculation all over agin, but the fact that they didn't release anything might indiciate that they just chose to skip this show, no matter how big it is. It's hard to belieive that they have develped nothing at all, including PS. MR It's certainly odd. It's possibly even weirder that Nikon didn't show anything. MR Anyone on any Nikon mailing lists? I'd expect they're wondering why Nikon didn't MR announce a full-frame digital SLR, especially after Canon and Kodak (with a MR Nikon lens mount) did. What's the speculation from the Nikon fanatics out there? MR I was also amazed and disappointed to get nothing new from Fuji. The ISO 100 MR Velvia was widely anticipated (and, frankly, would have been a lot more useful MR to me than a Pentax digital SLR). MR Curiouser and curiouser.
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When you are that far behind the curve, it's bound to happen over and over. At some point you have to take the plunge and start upgrading from that. If they follow that logic, you will never see a DSLR from Pentax. The possibility exists - it may not make enough money to justify. It hasn't yet... Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 6:51:42 AM, you wrote: RB Maybe the successor to the aborted full frame MZ-D was to be a cropped RB 3-4MP camera as was thought here at the time the first one was pulled. RB Maybe Pentax recently realised that this would no longer be saleable RB either. Sigma only get away with it because they have Foveon. A 3-4MP RB cropped bayer for £1500 just wouldn't sell very well these days, so RB maybe they had another aborted project they have to recover from before RB they can come up with something. Let us hope that when they do, the RB same problem doesn't happen again.
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tom, I'm curious, what makes it so attractive to you compared to the Contax? Bruce Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 7:32:42 AM, you wrote: snip t I generally don't pay too much attention to what goes on at these t photo shows, but I must say the new Hasselblad has really turned my t head. It looks like the ultimate wedding camera. t tv
Pentax at Photokina
Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras. Pål
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One thing I have learned about Pentax is they sneak things onto market and don't blow their horns. I have a feeling IS 645 lenses are on their way. --- Pål_Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras. Pål __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
on 01.10.02 19:19, Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are playing with stuff in the lab. They have nothing close to a production sample. I assume this is about the digital slr. In fact, the pentax digital slr was manufactured but not marketed. There are many units in daily use in Japan by photographers with Pentax connection. The production line is in place and test production was started. Pål
Re: Pentax at Photokina
It doesn't sound very plausible. Pål Jensen wrote: Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras.
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Brendan wrote: One thing I have learned about Pentax is they sneak things onto market and don't blow their horns. I have a feeling IS 645 lenses are on their way. I don't believe we'll see IS lens for MF until it has been used in Pentax 35mm gear for years. Pentax ususally destill features into their MF gear after 35mm has paid for it. Pål
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Daniel wrote: It doesn't sound very plausible. Why not? It's very common. All manufacturers do this. Photokina is the biggest meeting place between the manufacturer sand their distributors. This gives an opportunity to discuss and show products with engineers present. They receive valuable ideas and suggenstions and in this way test out product ideas. I have no idea of what Pentax showed under the table at Photokina, but they DID show things. My guess is as good as anys. Pål
Re: Pentax at Photokina
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Pål Jensen wrote: I don't believe we'll see IS lens for MF until it has been used in Pentax 35mm gear for years. Pentax ususally destill features into their MF gear after 35mm has paid for it. Wouldn't it make more sense, though, since film is already assumed to be dead by your average consumer in the US and Europe, but its still got a ways to go to MF and pro usage. Again, I'm not Pentax scholar, or business scholar, but it seems like there's a wide open market, and they could actually beat others to the punch and deliver one killer professional solution, which will someday have a drop-in digital insert. Doesn't the 645 have capacity for 6 auxillary AA batteries in its grip, as well as whatever batteries in the main unit? That's a perfect power source for a digital back, isn't it? -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
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Just freeze the one you folks already have. Call it the Pentax Pie, and then trot out the same thing show after show. BR From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well Bruce, I think we will have to prepare another pie for you and wait until next year's PMA ;-)
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Now this is the stuff I'm talking about, good going Pal! I had to go back and check to see who the sender was. It looks just like news from the cave. DG At 08:00 PM 10/1/02 +0200, you wrote: Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list). It was said that Photokina was less seen as a news fair nowadays and more of a trade show (they are apparently thinking of arranging it every three year instead of every two). Some informed observes suggest that Pentax will want to celebrate their corporate name change (and 50th year of slr production) with product releases (they wil get more attention this way). The speculaters can guess whats in that safe. The pessimist will insist it's the next $100 PS while the (incurable) optimist will believe it is new KAF3 lenses with USM and IS plus matching cameras. Pål
Re: New Pentax Product's/Photokina
On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 17:56, Brendan wrote: All Pentax needs to do is buy some of those Kodak chips and stick them in the MZ-D, rememeber it was finished they just needed a chip for it. Now that said who knows if they are just waiting for cheaper chips? Actually they are waiting for the 4 layers Foveon chip (RGB+IR). They expect to offer something really distinctive. cheers, the caveman ;-)
Re: Pentax at Photokina
On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 21:33, dick graham wrote: Now this is the stuff I'm talking about, good going Pal! I had to go back and check to see who the sender was. It looks just like news from the cave. It's that damn' caveman again, faking my e-mail address. cheers, Pal ;-)
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HAHAHAHA :-) actually Val you need to rerelease some of those tales from the cave for the newbies again. Valentin Donisa wrote:On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 21:33, dick graham wrote: Now this is the stuff I'm talking about, good going Pal! I had to go back and check to see who the sender was. It looks just like news from the cave.It's that damn' caveman again, faking my e-mail address.cheers,Pal;-) __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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Gfen wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense, though, since film is already assumed to be dead by your average consumer in the US and Europe, but its still got a ways to go to MF and pro usage. Again, I'm not Pentax scholar, or business scholar, but it seems like there's a wide open market, and they could actually beat others to the punch and deliver one killer professional solution, which will someday have a drop-in digital insert. Congratulations! You've just made the cardinal sin of applying common sense to Pentax marketing! :-) Doesn't the 645 have capacity for 6 auxillary AA batteries in its grip, as well as whatever batteries in the main unit? That's a perfect power source for a digital back, isn't it? It certainly is a perfect power source for IS. BTW The more conspiratory among us can perhaps figure out if Pentax made changes to the 645 lens mount to provide for IS when they upgraded the 645N to the 645NII. Pål
RE: Pentax at Photokina
I had heard that it might go down that way, but I was under the impression some info would be leaked regarding the DSLR. Whatever. tv -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] It doesn't sound very plausible. Pål Jensen wrote: Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe Apparently, this years Pentax photokina delegation was among the largest ever including the boss and heaps of engineers. Weird, considering they had nothing to show. However, it turns out that they indeed showed a LOT but behind closed doors locked in a large safe (no I'm not making this up; I have this from a guy who was part of the Pentax delegation but not allowed into the room! Only the utter hot-shots were allowed apparently). I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr.
RE: Pentax at Photokina
And entertainment was provided by Elvis, who jumped out of the safe. Oh yes, they are also digital selling bridges. From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=E5l_Jensen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some interesting(?) tidbits from the Pentax universe I have no idea about the contents of this safe is but it's believed it's not the digital K-mount slr. After all, that one is not that secret (probably already on the distributors order list)
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I did talk with the Finnish importer´s guys at the Photokina and the general feeling was of a disappointment. I did learn that Pål has good sources, though. BTW we did have a PDML meet at the Photokina - Dario, Patrick and myself - a small one indeed but we thought that it would be a good idea to organise a bigger one at the next Photokina so we could discuss things like this among ourselves and maybe get someone from Pentax to answer questions. Would you like it? All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Päivä: 01. lokakuuta 2002 19:07 Aihe: Re: Pentax at Photokina snip I have no idea of what Pentax showed under the table at Photokina, but they DID show things. My guess is as good as anys. Pål
Re: Pentax at Photokina
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, [iso-8859-1] Pål Jensen wrote: It certainly is a perfect power source for IS. BTW The more conspiratory among us can perhaps figure out if Pentax made changes to the 645 lens mount to provide for IS when they upgraded the 645N to the 645NII. Alrighty then, gearheads, get cracking! Gearheads? I guess that doesn't work.. filmheads, get cracking! No, wait, perhaps, shutterheads? Oh, eck. Although, in regards to the power source, I was actually thinking for a digital insert, since I assumed the regular in-camera powered the IS feature.. Or, would, since none of it exists, yet? I've never seen an IS lens, I have no concept of how it works. -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin
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Pål, is this real? Do you have any more on this? We need to hire a paparazzi to spy on any new Pentax products. :) regards, Alan Chan
Re: Pentax at Photokina
- Original Message - From: gfen Subject: Re: Pentax at Photokina Wouldn't it make more sense, though, since film is already assumed to be dead by your average consumer in the US and Europe, but its still got a ways to go to MF and pro usage. Film is far from considered to be dead by the average consumer. William Robb
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I know we are all guessing (unless someone has a *real* inside line to the top of Pentax Japan.) If they have female executives, I wonder if one of us could infiltrate Pentax and then really gave this list something! Now, seriously, is this 'MZ-D' the old prototype they discarded and turned into the MZ-S or are they really making an 'MZ-D' based on the MZ-S? When I saw those pics in one of the links in the mail, I was shocked! My camera with a big colour LCD screen on the back and a couple more buttons! Regards, Brad Dobo All Pentax needs to do is buy some of those Kodak chips and stick them in the MZ-D, rememeber it was finished they just needed a chip for it. Now that said who knows if they are just waiting for cheaper chips? Actually they are waiting for the 4 layers Foveon chip (RGB+IR). They expect to offer something really distinctive. cheers, the caveman ;-)
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
http://www.loreo.com/pages/products/loreo_lubot_lenscap.html Does that look like a Pentax to anyone else? Dan Scott From: Brad Dobo It certainly does... I guess that should quelch the concern that third party lens makers were dropping support for Pentax. William Robb Thanks Bill! Best laugh of the day! Cot Oh swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh Classified Ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
They have a strange website. They say this is currently on display on the Photokina 2000. On Friday 27 September 2002 23:10, Rob Brigham wrote: Turn your expensive camera into a P.O.S., sorry, no P. S. The LOREO Lens in a Cap is a new body cap for SLR cameras. It protects standard and digital SLR cameras from dust and dirt while keeping them ready for snapshots. It incorporates a fixed focus lens, which turns any SLR into a point-and-shoot camera, slim enough to pocket. Focal length is 35mm, and aperture is adjustable from f/5.6 - f/64. The aperture acts as a built-in lens shade. You can also have a PC lens for $22!! http://www.loreo.com/ -- Frits J. Wüthrich (Sent with Kmail)
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
It certainly does... - Original Message - From: Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina! On Friday, September 27, 2002, at 05:10 PM, Rob Brigham wrote: Turn your expensive camera into a P.O.S., sorry, no P. S. The LOREO Lens in a Cap is a new body cap for SLR cameras. It protects standard and digital SLR cameras from dust and dirt while keeping them ready for snapshots. It incorporates a fixed focus lens, which turns any SLR into a point-and-shoot camera, slim enough to pocket. Focal length is 35mm, and aperture is adjustable from f/5.6 - f/64. The aperture acts as a built-in lens shade. You can also have a PC lens for $22!! http://www.loreo.com/ http://www.loreo.com/pages/products/loreo_lubot_lenscap.html Does that look like a Pentax to anyone else? Dan Scott
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
- Original Message - From: Dan Scott Subject: Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina! http://www.loreo.com/pages/products/loreo_lubot_lenscap.html Does that look like a Pentax to anyone else? Dan Scott From: Brad Dobo It certainly does... I guess that should quelch the concern that third party lens makers were dropping support for Pentax. William Robb
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
William Robb wrote: I guess that should quelch the concern that third party lens makers were dropping support for Pentax. HAR! smirk !8^D - Bill D. Casselberry ; Photography on the Oregon Coast http://www.orednet.org/~bcasselb [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Re: Just unveiled accessories for Pentax at Photokina!
Because they already own every other conceivable photo accessory? At 06:31 PM 9/27/2002 -0400, you wrote: I thought you were joking, until I followed the link! Why would anyone want something like this? Rob Brigham wrote: Turn your expensive camera into a P.O.S., sorry, no P. S. The LOREO Lens in a Cap is a new body cap for SLR cameras. It protects standard and digital SLR cameras from dust and dirt while keeping them ready for snapshots. It incorporates a fixed focus lens, which turns any SLR into a point-and-shoot camera, slim enough to pocket. Focal length is 35mm, and aperture is adjustable from f/5.6 - f/64. The aperture acts as a built-in lens shade. You can also have a PC lens for $22!! http://www.loreo.com/ -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://geocities.com/dmatyola/ Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399
Re: Pentax at Photokina
- Original Message - From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax at Photokina OR have they been told not to talk about cameras and lenses too much, and let a secret get out? I dunno...but it was strange. I don't think Pentax would keep things so strictly secret if it was going to do some breakthrough (like, say, IS or USM) - it would rather be to its advantage from the marketing point of view to let some news leak out into public to increase the curiosity of medias and users. IMHO the silence means ther will be nothing special at the Photokina and there's no use to put strong hopes in it... Sad but I'm pretty sure about it:(( Regards Artur
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Pentax has always been very silent about new products until the actual release. Antti-Pekka At 14:23 13.9.2002 +0200, you wrote: I don't think Pentax would keep things so strictly secret if it was going to do some breakthrough (like, say, IS or USM) - it would rather be to its advantage from the marketing point of view to let some news leak out into public to increase the curiosity of medias and users. IMHO the silence means ther will be nothing special at the Photokina and there's no use to put strong hopes in it... Sad but I'm pretty sure about it:(( Regards Artur --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 500 789 753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 10 264 0777 *
Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Oh ya forgotI could see a new brand of digital binoculars that Pentax already has using the IS :) Good thing I didn't buy one, or I'd be pissed! :) Brad Dobo - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? In anticipation of Photokina, where would listers recommend to keep an eye on? Are there any decent news sites or official sites that one could check regularly in the run up to announcements about new gear? What's your take on this? Cheers, Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
IS in a loupe, now that really would be something. I am sure there must be a Pentax patent for an image processing device that converts poorly focussed and exposed images intelligently into perfect shots. Introducing the new Pentax 'Rose-tinted spectacles'!!! -Original Message- From: Brad Dobo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 September 2002 16:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? Yes, I'd like to know that as well. I hear they are putting the IS and USM into their amazing new zoom spotting scopes only. Or is it the new loupe?. :) - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? In anticipation of Photokina, where would listers recommend to keep an eye on? Are there any decent news sites or official sites that one could check regularly in the run up to announcements about new gear? What's your take on this? Cheers, Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com Make sure you look at statistics here: http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] In anticipation of Photokina, where would listers recommend to keep an eye on? Are there any decent news sites or official sites that one could check regularly in the run up to announcements about new gear? What's your take on this?
Pentax at Photokina
I must have missed the rumor about Pentax making some big news at Photokina, probably Pal's info. Could you repeat it? DG
Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Introducing the new Pentax 'Rose-tinted spectacles'!!! What do you mean, new? I already have several pairs. Why is it that Brighton is forever Sunny? Actually it is, today. Peter
Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Once again, Pentax is behind the curve. Nikon, Canon and Leica have had rose-tinted spectacles for years. At 01:04 PM 9/12/02 -0400, you wrote: Introducing the new Pentax 'Rose-tinted spectacles'!!!
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Hi, one can also try at: http://www.genyosha.com/index.html and click on Latest news. Normally this are subscribed pages, but before major events they offer free user names and passwords. This days before Photokina as well, ID and password being 0266 like it stands on the page. Cao, Matjaz
Re: Pentax at Photokina
Dick wrote: I must have missed the rumor about Pentax making some big news at Photokina, probably Pal's info. Could you repeat it? Don't blame it on me! The fuzz is due to the fact that someone posted recent Pentax patents on a new KAF3 lens mount that take USM and IS lenses. Some believe it will be shown at Photokina. So far no rumors have said so... It is pure speculation. However, there will be new products at Photokina. There are two distinc possibilities: 1. There's nothing worth showing (maybe a Limited lens and a few compacts). 2. Pentax have given their distributors stern messages about keeping their lips unusually tight. This may indicate that major news will be showed. Take your pick... Pål
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
You are right, of course... Perhaps Pentax will have the first full-frame ones? -Original Message- From: Doug Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 September 2002 18:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? Once again, Pentax is behind the curve. Nikon, Canon and Leica have had rose-tinted spectacles for years. At 01:04 PM 9/12/02 -0400, you wrote: Introducing the new Pentax 'Rose-tinted spectacles'!!!
RE: Pentax at Photokina
I think the first part of option 2 is correct, but that doesn't mean that major news will be shown - option 1 may still be correct!! -Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 September 2002 18:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax at Photokina Dick wrote: I must have missed the rumor about Pentax making some big news at Photokina, probably Pal's info. Could you repeat it? Don't blame it on me! The fuzz is due to the fact that someone posted recent Pentax patents on a new KAF3 lens mount that take USM and IS lenses. Some believe it will be shown at Photokina. So far no rumors have said so... It is pure speculation. However, there will be new products at Photokina. There are two distinc possibilities: 1. There's nothing worth showing (maybe a Limited lens and a few compacts). 2. Pentax have given their distributors stern messages about keeping their lips unusually tight. This may indicate that major news will be showed. Take your pick... Pål
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Have you guys seen this??? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:25 PM To: Pentax List Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? www.dpreview.com http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/index.php www.pentax.de www.pentax.com Possibly http://www.jessops.com/info/news/ (they will be there, not sure if they will have live updates) And if they post english news, or you run it through babelfish, http://www.photokina.de Excellent- thanks Robbo. A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com Make sure you look at statistics here: http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html Nice one, thanks Bruce. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Or this http://www.dpreview.com/news/0102/01021106pentaxdigitalslr.asp -Original Message- From: Glen O'Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 7:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? Have you guys seen this??? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:25 PM To: Pentax List Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? www.dpreview.com http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/index.php www.pentax.de www.pentax.com Possibly http://www.jessops.com/info/news/ (they will be there, not sure if they will have live updates) And if they post english news, or you run it through babelfish, http://www.photokina.de Excellent- thanks Robbo. A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com Make sure you look at statistics here: http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html Nice one, thanks Bruce. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
On 12 Sep 2002 at 19:49, Glen O'Neal wrote: Have you guys seen this??? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp Yep, a little while ago :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html
Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Do you realize that these pages are a year old? They do not reflect current status, and do indicate that Pentax MAY have plans for a future DSLR, or other digital technology. Still optomistic, IL Bill Glen O'Neal wrote: Have you guys seen this??? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:25 PM To: Pentax List Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? www.dpreview.com http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/index.php www.pentax.de www.pentax.com Possibly http://www.jessops.com/info/news/ (they will be there, not sure if they will have live updates) And if they post english news, or you run it through babelfish, http://www.photokina.de Excellent- thanks Robbo. A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com Make sure you look at statistics here: http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html Nice one, thanks Bruce. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
I wonder what's Pentax' target market? -frank Glen O'Neal wrote: Have you guys seen this??? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp -- The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
RE: Pentax at Photokina
-Original Message- From: Pål Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 1:47 PM Dick wrote: I must have missed the rumor about Pentax making some big news at Photokina, probably Pal's info. Could you repeat it? Don't blame it on me! The fuzz is due to the fact that someone posted recent Pentax patents on a new KAF3 lens mount that take USM and IS lenses. Some believe it will be shown at Photokina. So far no rumors have said so... It is pure speculation. However, there will be new products at Photokina. There are two distinc possibilities: 1. There's nothing worth showing (maybe a Limited lens and a few compacts). 2. Pentax have given their distributors stern messages about keeping their lips unusually tight. This may indicate that major news will be showed. Take your pick... Pål While I wait for some data to upload I might as well jump in too :-) From a Pentax rep he has assured me that Pentax is working on a competitive DSLR. This came out as we were discussing how I would use a DSLR that used Pentax lenses. He was not privy to actual announcements, but the consensus is that something will be announced at Photokina. They are all expecting its availability at PMA. Again the reps were considering this based on the fact that Pentax is working on a COMPETITIVE DSLR. I can understand the home office's wanting to keep everything under wraps. There is no need to announce it now. They might as well get the Photokina exposure. I can only think that they are well aware of 'us', loyal Pentax customers. Look at Limited lenses, the MZ-S, if they were happy to continue to be strong where they are they would focus on the PS market. Oh well, enough rambling, more work to be done. Hoping the tropical storm doesn't cancel our triathlon, César Panama City, Florida
Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Yeah - that's what all the whining has been about over the last years R Glen O'Neal wrote: Or this http://www.dpreview.com/news/0102/01021106pentaxdigitalslr.asp -Original Message- From: Glen O'Neal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 7:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? Have you guys seen this??? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:25 PM To: Pentax List Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? www.dpreview.com http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/index.php www.pentax.de www.pentax.com Possibly http://www.jessops.com/info/news/ (they will be there, not sure if they will have live updates) And if they post english news, or you run it through babelfish, http://www.photokina.de Excellent- thanks Robbo. A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com Make sure you look at statistics here: http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html Nice one, thanks Bruce. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
Re: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
And I thought you just trying to revive it as a tourist destination. ; At 01:04 PM 9/12/2002 -0400, you wrote: Introducing the new Pentax 'Rose-tinted spectacles'!!! What do you mean, new? I already have several pairs. Why is it that Brighton is forever Sunny? Actually it is, today. Peter
RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch?
Yes, old news. At 07:49 PM 9/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: Have you guys seen this??? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0110/01102401pentaxdslrnomore.asp -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:25 PM To: Pentax List Subject: RE: Pentax at Photokina - where to watch? www.dpreview.com http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/index.php www.pentax.de www.pentax.com Possibly http://www.jessops.com/info/news/ (they will be there, not sure if they will have live updates) And if they post english news, or you run it through babelfish, http://www.photokina.de Excellent- thanks Robbo. A good, general, imaging news site is here: http://www.photointer.com Make sure you look at statistics here: http://www.photointer.com/pageset/Statistics1.html Nice one, thanks Bruce. Cotty Oh, swipe me! He paints with light! http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/ Free UK Macintosh classified ads at http://www.macads.co.uk/
New Pentax at Photokina shock!!
Yessir, introducing the MZ-BS!!! The new Bacon Sarnie from Pentax, also available in kit form with the optional CG10 cheese grater attachment. Fill it with C-31 (Cheddar) or T6 (Tomato sauce) and fire away. We now know the MZ-D is to be scrapped in favour of the MZ-C. The flagship MZ-1 has been delayed due to the trade embargo placed around the delelopment lab RD2 which is in a place far far away by the evil marketing federation. The emperor is thought not to want it ever released, but there is a small rebellion forming on the ice continent, led by Pal Skywalker and some hairy friends which hopes to use their powers to guess what the federations plans are in advance and persuade the masses to rise against them. Rob You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
Re: New Pentax at Photokina shock!!
Yessir, introducing the MZ-BS!!! [snip] a place far far away [snip] Pal Skywalker [snip] to rise against them. OK, Rob, so is this thread gonna have more truth to it than the usual PDML speculation threads do ??? ;-) Fred
RE: New Pentax at Photokina shock!!
No, its got as much BS as most of the other stuff ;-) -Original Message- From: Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 September 2002 12:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax at Photokina shock!! Yessir, introducing the MZ-BS!!! [snip] a place far far away [snip] Pal Skywalker [snip] to rise against them. OK, Rob, so is this thread gonna have more truth to it than the usual PDML speculation threads do ??? ;-) Fred
