RE: Pentax is history
Don't know about Ricoh killing off Pentax: in today's edition of the The Australian (our national daily broadsheet) Wish magazine, which is the highest quality publication in Australia, Pentax Australia are advertising the GR as a Pentax camera. No loss of brand name there, in fact it's the first time I've seen them going for the demographic which wears Dior, Givenchy, Piaget, etc., and has the money to do so. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Otis Wright Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013 2:08 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax is history On 7/2/2013 11:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: :( So ricoh absorbs pentax and reduces the name to a marque. That's certain death. Look how Mercedes-Benz has failed as a marque of Daimler, or Chevrolet as a marque of GM. Paul And then there was Pontiac, DeSoto, Oldsmobile, etc., etc. etc. Otis If they were smart, it would be Pentax Imaging Company. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well, recently (like two days ago) Carl Zeiss turned to be Zeiss. So it seems to fit the recent trend. Suddenly Pentax is up to date... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 2, 2013 6:05:59 PM Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is history
I think there was some slight exaggeration involved. I haven't tattooed pentax on my shoulder or a spotmatic on my forearms, so you all can stop worrying so much. I'll drink the kool-aid for as long as it remains sweet ;) ps: the pentax community has been very kind as a general rule. arguably the best out there indeed. On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:37 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 04, 2013 at 07:04:06AM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: I think you confuse photographic gear (which is just a means) with the PDML as a community, which arguably is one of the very best out there. We have here few people who don't shoot Pentax and who greatly contribute to the community both photographically and socially. But Pentax for life! - this strikes me as rather weird. Pentax for life is a bit severe, but I'm sure he could be out in 20 years for good behavior. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is history
From: steve harley on 2013-07-03 15:39 John Sessoms wrote Does Tokina still make any lenses in Pentax mount? i think the point is that Pentax Tokina have (had?) an agreement where Tokina would produce the same lens design in other mounts, but not in K mount, which is why Tokina doesn't seem to produce K-mount lenses With the Pentax branded lens costing twice as much? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is history
? http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/07/02/Pentax-Ricoh-announces-name-change-but-what-will-it-mean-for-Pentax-brand Alan C -Original Message- From: Bruce Walker Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 5:05 PM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is history
That's what I thought it would be. I worked through the 70s mania of forming conglomerate companies from sturdy British engineering companies. Hawker Siddeley group consolidated its range of diesel engines into the Lister and Petter brands. Badge engineering ran rife though. Many a buyer came to Petter with I've always bought Armstrong Siddeley and I'm buggered if I'm going to change to Petter now. So we had a range of crankcase castings and rocker box covers embossed with a variety of names from the past and they went away happy having paid significantly more for the same engine underneath. Chris On 3 July 2013 07:02, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: ? http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/07/02/Pentax-Ricoh-announces-name-change-but-what-will-it-mean-for-Pentax-brand Alan C -Original Message- From: Bruce Walker Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 5:05 PM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is History.
On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 10:12:25AM +0530, Bipin Gupta wrote: Tom, sorry, to you and Paul again. Our childhood Folklore tells us Two Sticks tied together are stronger than One. Obviously Two Businesses amalgamated as one builds on the strengths of each other. Your Bastards at Ricoh had a better choice: kept their dominance by changing PENTAX - Ricoh to RICOH - Pentax, instead of throwing PENTAX out completely. I think you're overreacting a bit. This bit of history from the link mentioned earlier shows that Pentax has been the company name for all of about five of it's 60 year history. .. : And, in fact, the Pentax name has been just a brand for most of its life, so in some ways this is a return the status quo. Here's a breakdown of how the Pentax name has been used over the years. Pre-1954, Pentax was a brand name of VEB Zeiss Ikon. (The name was formed as a contraction of pentaprism, and Zeiss Ikon's Contax brand). From 1954 until 2002, Pentax became a brand of Asahi Optical, after the latter purchased the name. From 2002 to 2007, Pentax was adopted as the company name for the first time in its history. From 2007 to 2011, Pentax returned to brand status under new owner Hoya. In 2011, it became a company in its own right again, but only briefly, before becoming Pentax Ricoh Imaging. By the way, one of my Bangaloran coworkers, who has a D5100 said that he wanted to buy a Pentax, but just couldn't get them in India. What was gained? But much was LOST. Paul, Paul, were you the smartest amongst Yeshuas Disciples? I am still left scratching my head, even with my donkey years at the corporate helm. Regards. Bipin - from that far away enchanting land. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is History
On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Just keep in mind that switching away from Pentax and moving on from it are two entirely separate matters. ;) Welcome to Hotel Pentax. You can check out any time you like... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well really it's the final end of Asahi Optical Company. So does the GXR qualify as an interchangeable lens camera or a new technical innovation? On 7/3/2013 2:02 AM, Alan C wrote: ? http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/07/02/Pentax-Ricoh-announces-name-change-but-what-will-it-mean-for-Pentax-brand Alan C -Original Message- From: Bruce Walker Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 5:05 PM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is history
I'm not so interested in the company name (which changed several times over the years and usually did not include the Pentax word). I'm interested in good products and commitment to the system. I don't think the latest name change will affect that, for the better or for the worse, so it's pretty much a storm in a glass of water. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:05 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 Just noticed this. After reading all the hand-wringing comments, my reaction is, I love my ist*DS. I'm perfectly happy with it. But maybe I should get myself a K-5 ASAP. Not sure it would be wise for me financially, but it's my reaction. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence. - Charles Bukowski -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Pentax is History
Toronto has a Mumbai like-haze for the past 2 days but of course none of the other allure of that great city:-). We generally arrive by cruise ship and they never seem to go as far north as Bangalore. But a train ride would be a great side show. When you are next in To we should have a PDML gathering. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 1:57 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax is History Hey Larry Gerrit, you are welcome to stay with me in Bangalore. My daughter in the Bay Area tells me California is sweltering, but here in Bangalore it is a pleasant 74 degrees F. It is Monsoon season in India. You folks bet I WILL be changing brands if provoked any further by the Idiots at RICOH. But maybe it takes some time, as I bought the K-5 with the 18-135 this January. Actually my son who is in Toronto, bought it for me from Henrys - God Bless the boy. He bought himself a Sony Alpha Nex-3N last week. I have an old Ricoh Av Auto + Manual exposure Film camera with manual focusing. Perhaps you might want it? Guys, jokes apart, this is not good news for Brand Pentax. Regards. Bipin - from that far away enchanting land. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is history
Well, Minolta's designs were improved upon once absorbed by Sony. Perhaps the same is in store? My wish would be that Ricoh does not destroy the whole thing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For many years the company name was Asahi Optical, and the brand was Pentax and all was right with the world. To go forward with the company name of Ricoh and the brand Pentax and now it is the end of the world. I'm not sure that the name change is a bad thing or a good thing, it just is. What matters is that the cameras still provide us with the images we love. jm -- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:05 AM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List PDML@pdml.net Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is history
From: Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com Tom you missed some facts and misquoted some. I read your article with great relish and did find it enlightening though. Hi Bipin, I wasn't trying to write a corporate biography. I know that PENTAX released the K-5 while being under HOYA's banner. II believe (with little other than corporate sales figures and common sense to make the statement) that the majority of buyers of a K-5 were already PENTAX owners. It may have taken the PENTAX world by storm and surprised some. Even then it was neck and neck IQ-wise with the Nikon D7000 that essentially used the same sensor. Check the dpreview review 'Conclusions' page. I'd have personally bought a K-5 but the timing was wrong. I acquired a K20D not realizing it was less than a year before the K-7 was released. Then I bought a K-7, and it was only a year before the K-5 was released. During that time I also purchased several $1000 of Pentax and SIgma lenses in K-mount. Not knowing if I was staying with PENTAX I couldn't rationalize a K-5, regardless of how good it was, because it would be another step down a path I wasn't sure I wanted to go down. Tom -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is history
I'm in complete agreement, John. I would note though that their dry and brief press release served to create alarm and speculation. They'd have done better to include some context like that Imaging Resource article that Alan pointed out. Now they've managed to fan the Sky Is Falling thread flames for years to come. Yet I still managed to do two back-to-back shoots with my ancient K20 and it didn't fall to pieces or simply go dark on me. :-) On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Mullan k...@hotmail.com wrote: For many years the company name was Asahi Optical, and the brand was Pentax and all was right with the world. To go forward with the company name of Ricoh and the brand Pentax and now it is the end of the world. I'm not sure that the name change is a bad thing or a good thing, it just is. What matters is that the cameras still provide us with the images we love. jm -- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:05 AM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List PDML@pdml.net Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is history
Well when I got my first Spotmatic in 1968 it was called Honeywell Pentax. Anyway, the DSLRs and such are still going to be called Pentax and the grand majority of consumers will still never hear of them unless they start advertising. Seem like a big non-issue too me. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in complete agreement, John. I would note though that their dry and brief press release served to create alarm and speculation. They'd have done better to include some context like that Imaging Resource article that Alan pointed out. Now they've managed to fan the Sky Is Falling thread flames for years to come. Yet I still managed to do two back-to-back shoots with my ancient K20 and it didn't fall to pieces or simply go dark on me. :-) On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Mullan k...@hotmail.com wrote: For many years the company name was Asahi Optical, and the brand was Pentax and all was right with the world. To go forward with the company name of Ricoh and the brand Pentax and now it is the end of the world. I'm not sure that the name change is a bad thing or a good thing, it just is. What matters is that the cameras still provide us with the images we love. jm -- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:05 AM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List PDML@pdml.net Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax is history
That should be to me, not too me. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Well when I got my first Spotmatic in 1968 it was called Honeywell Pentax. Anyway, the DSLRs and such are still going to be called Pentax and the grand majority of consumers will still never hear of them unless they start advertising. Seem like a big non-issue too me. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in complete agreement, John. I would note though that their dry and brief press release served to create alarm and speculation. They'd have done better to include some context like that Imaging Resource article that Alan pointed out. Now they've managed to fan the Sky Is Falling thread flames for years to come. Yet I still managed to do two back-to-back shoots with my ancient K20 and it didn't fall to pieces or simply go dark on me. :-) On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Mullan k...@hotmail.com wrote: For many years the company name was Asahi Optical, and the brand was Pentax and all was right with the world. To go forward with the company name of Ricoh and the brand Pentax and now it is the end of the world. I'm not sure that the name change is a bad thing or a good thing, it just is. What matters is that the cameras still provide us with the images we love. jm -- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:05 AM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List PDML@pdml.net Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ain't that the truth... Where in California Is Hotel Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Just keep in mind that switching away from Pentax and moving on from it are two entirely separate matters. ;) Welcome to Hotel Pentax. You can check out any time you like... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Ain't that the truth... Where in California Is Hotel Pentax. Regards, Bob S. Larry's house. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Just keep in mind that switching away from Pentax and moving on from it are two entirely separate matters. ;) Welcome to Hotel Pentax. You can check out any time you like... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tiny nit, Tom. The K-5 soundly out resolved the D7000 and, I was surprised to learn, also the current well done D6. Jack From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 7:33 AM Subject: Re: Pentax is history From: Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com Tom you missed some facts and misquoted some. I read your article with great relish and did find it enlightening though. Hi Bipin, I wasn't trying to write a corporate biography. I know that PENTAX released the K-5 while being under HOYA's banner. II believe (with little other than corporate sales figures and common sense to make the statement) that the majority of buyers of a K-5 were already PENTAX owners. It may have taken the PENTAX world by storm and surprised some. Even then it was neck and neck IQ-wise with the Nikon D7000 that essentially used the same sensor. Check the dpreview review 'Conclusions' page. I'd have personally bought a K-5 but the timing was wrong. I acquired a K20D not realizing it was less than a year before the K-7 was released. Then I bought a K-7, and it was only a year before the K-5 was released. During that time I also purchased several $1000 of Pentax and SIgma lenses in K-mount. Not knowing if I was staying with PENTAX I couldn't rationalize a K-5, regardless of how good it was, because it would be another step down a path I wasn't sure I wanted to go down. Tom -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You forgot to blame the spellchecker for not understanding context. On 7/3/2013 10:56 AM, George Sinos wrote: That should be to me, not too me. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Well when I got my first Spotmatic in 1968 it was called Honeywell Pentax. Anyway, the DSLRs and such are still going to be called Pentax and the grand majority of consumers will still never hear of them unless they start advertising. Seem like a big non-issue too me. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in complete agreement, John. I would note though that their dry and brief press release served to create alarm and speculation. They'd have done better to include some context like that Imaging Resource article that Alan pointed out. Now they've managed to fan the Sky Is Falling thread flames for years to come. Yet I still managed to do two back-to-back shoots with my ancient K20 and it didn't fall to pieces or simply go dark on me. :-) On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Mullan k...@hotmail.com wrote: For many years the company name was Asahi Optical, and the brand was Pentax and all was right with the world. To go forward with the company name of Ricoh and the brand Pentax and now it is the end of the world. I'm not sure that the name change is a bad thing or a good thing, it just is. What matters is that the cameras still provide us with the images we love. jm -- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:05 AM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List PDML@pdml.net Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 10:12:53AM -0600, Tom C wrote: From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Ain't that the truth... Where in California Is Hotel Pentax. Regards, Bob S. Larry's house. He'll turn the light off for ya ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My father refuses to use any spillchucker that won't allow removing manger. On Wed, Jul 03, 2013, P.J. Alling wrote: You forgot to blame the spellchecker for not understanding context. On 7/3/2013 10:56 AM, George Sinos wrote: That should be to me, not too me. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Well when I got my first Spotmatic in 1968 it was called Honeywell Pentax. Anyway, the DSLRs and such are still going to be called Pentax and the grand majority of consumers will still never hear of them unless they start advertising. Seem like a big non-issue too me. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in complete agreement, John. I would note though that their dry and brief press release served to create alarm and speculation. They'd have done better to include some context like that Imaging Resource article that Alan pointed out. Now they've managed to fan the Sky Is Falling thread flames for years to come. Yet I still managed to do two back-to-back shoots with my ancient K20 and it didn't fall to pieces or simply go dark on me. :-) On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Mullan k...@hotmail.com wrote: For many years the company name was Asahi Optical, and the brand was Pentax and all was right with the world. To go forward with the company name of Ricoh and the brand Pentax and now it is the end of the world. I'm not sure that the name change is a bad thing or a good thing, it just is. What matters is that the cameras still provide us with the images we love. jm -- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:05 AM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List PDML@pdml.net Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There's a theory that the back story on Hotel California is about an insane asylum so... On 7/3/2013 11:38 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Ain't that the truth... Where in California Is Hotel Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Just keep in mind that switching away from Pentax and moving on from it are two entirely separate matters. ;) Welcome to Hotel Pentax. You can check out any time you like... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The K-5 exhibits greater dynamic range than the D7000 as well, also a nit I suppose. The system you buy depends on your needs, expectations and desires. I'm sticking with Pentax because I have over the years collected quite a few K mount lenses, mostly Pentax but a few Cult Classic Vivitar Series 1 lenses. (Also a few M42, T system, TX, [Vivitar's last interchangeable mount not Canon related], system, and Leica S mount etc.), None of the truly expensive rarefied glass such as the A*85mm or A*135, but in K mount I have, pretty much the best I could afford from 17mm to 300mm in primes. I'm a shooter not a collector, so all of my lenses have been used some of them quite hard. If I were to switch to Canon or Nikon I couldn't afford to duplicate what I have, and I certainly wouldn't get much selling most of my prime glass, and yes the loss of the DEVICE WHO'S NAME SHALL NOT BE SPOKEN annoys me no end. But you know the situation with Nikon isn't really any better with older glass. Since the advent of Digital I end up shooting mostly with the same three Zoom lenses and the same 4 or 5 primes because metering is so much more convenient. Even replacing my shooting kit with the Canon or Nikon equivalents would be cost prohibitive. So as long as Ricoh continues to make upgraded K mount DSLRs this is where I pretty much have to stay. On 7/3/2013 12:13 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Tiny nit, Tom. The K-5 soundly out resolved the D7000 and, I was surprised to learn, also the current well done D6. Jack From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 7:33 AM Subject: Re: Pentax is history From: Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com Tom you missed some facts and misquoted some. I read your article with great relish and did find it enlightening though. Hi Bipin, I wasn't trying to write a corporate biography. I know that PENTAX released the K-5 while being under HOYA's banner. II believe (with little other than corporate sales figures and common sense to make the statement) that the majority of buyers of a K-5 were already PENTAX owners. It may have taken the PENTAX world by storm and surprised some. Even then it was neck and neck IQ-wise with the Nikon D7000 that essentially used the same sensor. Check the dpreview review 'Conclusions' page. I'd have personally bought a K-5 but the timing was wrong. I acquired a K20D not realizing it was less than a year before the K-7 was released. Then I bought a K-7, and it was only a year before the K-5 was released. During that time I also purchased several $1000 of Pentax and SIgma lenses in K-mount. Not knowing if I was staying with PENTAX I couldn't rationalize a K-5, regardless of how good it was, because it would be another step down a path I wasn't sure I wanted to go down. Tom -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 10:12:53AM -0600, Tom C wrote: From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com Ain't that the truth... Where in California Is Hotel Pentax. Regards, Bob S. Larry's house. Har! On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Just keep in mind that switching away from Pentax and moving on from it are two entirely separate matters. ;) Welcome to Hotel Pentax. You can check out any time you like... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 01:16:26PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote: There's a theory that the back story on Hotel California is about an insane asylum so... I recently heard an interview with one of the Eagles who said that it was just about life in LA in general. Not nearly as fun. On 7/3/2013 11:38 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Ain't that the truth... Where in California Is Hotel Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Just keep in mind that switching away from Pentax and moving on from it are two entirely separate matters. ;) Welcome to Hotel Pentax. You can check out any time you like... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 10:11:36AM -0700, Aahz Maruch wrote: My father refuses to use any spillchucker that won't allow removing manger. Why am I not at all surprised that your father has some unusual requirements for software that he uses? On Wed, Jul 03, 2013, P.J. Alling wrote: You forgot to blame the spellchecker for not understanding context. On 7/3/2013 10:56 AM, George Sinos wrote: That should be to me, not too me. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Well when I got my first Spotmatic in 1968 it was called Honeywell Pentax. Anyway, the DSLRs and such are still going to be called Pentax and the grand majority of consumers will still never hear of them unless they start advertising. Seem like a big non-issue too me. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in complete agreement, John. I would note though that their dry and brief press release served to create alarm and speculation. They'd have done better to include some context like that Imaging Resource article that Alan pointed out. Now they've managed to fan the Sky Is Falling thread flames for years to come. Yet I still managed to do two back-to-back shoots with my ancient K20 and it didn't fall to pieces or simply go dark on me. :-) On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:06 AM, John Mullan k...@hotmail.com wrote: For many years the company name was Asahi Optical, and the brand was Pentax and all was right with the world. To go forward with the company name of Ricoh and the brand Pentax and now it is the end of the world. I'm not sure that the name change is a bad thing or a good thing, it just is. What matters is that the cameras still provide us with the images we love. jm -- From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:05 AM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List PDML@pdml.net Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/3/2013 2:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 01:16:26PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote: There's a theory that the back story on Hotel California is about an insane asylum so... I recently heard an interview with one of the Eagles who said that it was just about life in LA in general. Not nearly as fun. I lived in LA for about a year in the late 90's, I think we're both right. On 7/3/2013 11:38 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Ain't that the truth... Where in California Is Hotel Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Just keep in mind that switching away from Pentax and moving on from it are two entirely separate matters. ;) Welcome to Hotel Pentax. You can check out any time you like... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And there's a modest hotel named Hotel California on Ocean Boulevard in Santa Monica, just about a block south of the pier. Paul On Jul 3, 2013, at 3:03 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/3/2013 2:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 01:16:26PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote: There's a theory that the back story on Hotel California is about an insane asylum so... I recently heard an interview with one of the Eagles who said that it was just about life in LA in general. Not nearly as fun. I lived in LA for about a year in the late 90's, I think we're both right. On 7/3/2013 11:38 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Ain't that the truth... Where in California Is Hotel Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Just keep in mind that switching away from Pentax and moving on from it are two entirely separate matters. ;) Welcome to Hotel Pentax. You can check out any time you like... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Does Tokina still make any lenses in Pentax mount? From: Zos Xavius The lens prices are obscene at the moment if you ask me. $1000 for a 12-24? robbery! esp when a tokina copy is like $500.. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Sadly, I looked at lenses today. A 15 or 20mm Pentax was $650. Even the humble 40mm was quite pricey. I guess I'm sticking with what I have, and will consider another system for full frame wide angle stuff. I don't think we will survive this transition. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interestingly enough, there was a lightning strike nearby with the loudest, most ominous thunder I've heard in many a year just as I started reading this thread. Lights flickered a bit, but none of the UPSs even beeped. Probably doesn't really mean anything, just one of those odd coincidences. 8-D From: Bob Sullivan Rick, I'm not saying THE SKY IS FALLING, just that the weather is moving in and the ceiling is starting to look a bit low. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Pentax is history. Pentax is dead. We're all doomed! If I had a dollar for every thread along these lines I've seen here, I could be retired rather than working about 70 hours this week. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List PDML@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 11:05 AM Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: P.J. Alling When Pentax was first acquired by Ricoh, I read on someone's photography blog that Ricoh, wanted a prestige name on a prestige product, but unfortunately between Ricoh and Pentax they thought that Ricoh was the prestige name. Pentax/Ricoh imaging was just an interim name until the merger of assets was complete. Will they rebrand the SLR line as Ricoh, who knows but if they didn't intend to continue making SLR's Ricoh could have killed the K-50 and K-500. They didn't so we'll just have to wait and see. I don't really care if the name on the front of the camera or the lenses is Pentax or Ricoh, as long as my K-mount lenses still work we don't go back to the days of that problem where the lenses got stuck you couldn't get them to come off. Sony bought Minolta the name went away. But, old Minolta lenses are still compatible with Sony's Minolta lens mount (AFAIK) you still have to use an adapter to mount a hot-shoe flash on that funky proprietary mount Minolta had. So, I don't think this is the end of the world ... YET. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: John Francis On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 06:26:43PM +0100, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 2/7/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 So what's in a name then ? My first ever photography class at junior high school in 1972 was taken by a teacher with a Pentax hanging from his neck and ever since then I aspired to that. It was like a brick of gold. IIRC, while Pentax was (and remains) the brand name, the company name back in those days was Asahi Optical Co. And before that, I believe it was either a newspaper company that owned a brewery or a brewery that owned a newspaper. One or the other. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Tom C It's important to note that you were shooting with a Pentax K-7, by my estimation the absolute worst of all the Pentax DSLRs I used, which would include all the top models. Even the istD was better in some ways. The K-5 was a huge upgrade. Worst how? 2X+ the resolution of the *istD, better dynamic range, DNG, larger buffer,... I can't think of a thing that was better on the *istD, In any case I fly through DTW weekly. Care to meet near the airport for lunch on a Friday? :) T The *ist-D would let you shoot TIFF files in camera. Can't do that with the K-7. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I remember reading that Sony has replaced the Minolta proprietary hot shoe with something else weather it's another proprietary mount based on the ISO standard or something else, I don't know. The local Camera store that carries Sony only has the NEX line in stock. On 7/3/2013 6:10 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P.J. Alling When Pentax was first acquired by Ricoh, I read on someone's photography blog that Ricoh, wanted a prestige name on a prestige product, but unfortunately between Ricoh and Pentax they thought that Ricoh was the prestige name. Pentax/Ricoh imaging was just an interim name until the merger of assets was complete. Will they rebrand the SLR line as Ricoh, who knows but if they didn't intend to continue making SLR's Ricoh could have killed the K-50 and K-500. They didn't so we'll just have to wait and see. I don't really care if the name on the front of the camera or the lenses is Pentax or Ricoh, as long as my K-mount lenses still work we don't go back to the days of that problem where the lenses got stuck you couldn't get them to come off. Sony bought Minolta the name went away. But, old Minolta lenses are still compatible with Sony's Minolta lens mount (AFAIK) you still have to use an adapter to mount a hot-shoe flash on that funky proprietary mount Minolta had. So, I don't think this is the end of the world ... YET. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/3/2013 6:18 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Tom C It's important to note that you were shooting with a Pentax K-7, by my estimation the absolute worst of all the Pentax DSLRs I used, which would include all the top models. Even the istD was better in some ways. The K-5 was a huge upgrade. Worst how? 2X+ the resolution of the *istD, better dynamic range, DNG, larger buffer,... I can't think of a thing that was better on the *istD, In any case I fly through DTW weekly. Care to meet near the airport for lunch on a Friday? :) T The *ist-D would let you shoot TIFF files in camera. Can't do that with the K-7. Yes, but the K-7 lets you shoot DNG... -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That is not true...well mostly. You can shoot raw and convert in camera to TIFF on the K-7. You can't pick TIFF as a default format though. Personally I would rather have the RAW, especially with the k-7's noise reduction. LR does a better job in that regard IMO. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:18 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Tom C It's important to note that you were shooting with a Pentax K-7, by my estimation the absolute worst of all the Pentax DSLRs I used, which would include all the top models. Even the istD was better in some ways. The K-5 was a huge upgrade. Worst how? 2X+ the resolution of the *istD, better dynamic range, DNG, larger buffer,... I can't think of a thing that was better on the *istD, In any case I fly through DTW weekly. Care to meet near the airport for lunch on a Friday? :) T The *ist-D would let you shoot TIFF files in camera. Can't do that with the K-7. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The sony proprietary hot shoe was NEX only I believe(I could be wrong), but I believe that sony is going back to a standard hot shoe that will take mostly anything. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:43 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I remember reading that Sony has replaced the Minolta proprietary hot shoe with something else weather it's another proprietary mount based on the ISO standard or something else, I don't know. The local Camera store that carries Sony only has the NEX line in stock. On 7/3/2013 6:10 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P.J. Alling When Pentax was first acquired by Ricoh, I read on someone's photography blog that Ricoh, wanted a prestige name on a prestige product, but unfortunately between Ricoh and Pentax they thought that Ricoh was the prestige name. Pentax/Ricoh imaging was just an interim name until the merger of assets was complete. Will they rebrand the SLR line as Ricoh, who knows but if they didn't intend to continue making SLR's Ricoh could have killed the K-50 and K-500. They didn't so we'll just have to wait and see. I don't really care if the name on the front of the camera or the lenses is Pentax or Ricoh, as long as my K-mount lenses still work we don't go back to the days of that problem where the lenses got stuck you couldn't get them to come off. Sony bought Minolta the name went away. But, old Minolta lenses are still compatible with Sony's Minolta lens mount (AFAIK) you still have to use an adapter to mount a hot-shoe flash on that funky proprietary mount Minolta had. So, I don't think this is the end of the world ... YET. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually, its themes pretty much parallel those expressed in the song Life in the Fast Lane that was also on the album. The whole concept of the album was pretty much the dark underside of hedonism, greed excess infecting the 70s California music scene. From: P.J. Alling There's a theory that the back story on Hotel California is about an insane asylum so... On 7/3/2013 11:38 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Ain't that the truth... Where in California Is Hotel Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Just keep in mind that switching away from Pentax and moving on from it are two entirely separate matters. ;) Welcome to Hotel Pentax. You can check out any time you like... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2013-07-03 17:54, John Sessoms wrote: Interestingly enough, there was a lightning strike nearby with the loudest, most ominous thunder I've heard in many a year just as I started reading this thread. Lights flickered a bit, but none of the UPSs even beeped. Probably doesn't really mean anything, just one of those odd coincidences. Someone said Frau Blucher! -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't think it's the one from the album cover though. That one's somewhere down in Baja. From: Paul Stenquist And there's a modest hotel named Hotel California on Ocean Boulevard in Santa Monica, just about a block south of the pier. Paul On Jul 3, 2013, at 3:03 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/3/2013 2:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 01:16:26PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote: There's a theory that the back story on Hotel California is about an insane asylum so... I recently heard an interview with one of the Eagles who said that it was just about life in LA in general. Not nearly as fun. I lived in LA for about a year in the late 90's, I think we're both right. On 7/3/2013 11:38 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Ain't that the truth... Where in California Is Hotel Pentax. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:00 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Just keep in mind that switching away from Pentax and moving on from it are two entirely separate matters. ;) Welcome to Hotel Pentax. You can check out any time you like... Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So...I just bought a much sought after decent copy of the A35-105/3.5. 2nd copy I've seen in some months on Pentax Forums. I only need a couple more lenses to really complete my kit. I want a semi-decent MF 300mm prime, a fast 85mm, a 100mm macro (though I find my 16-45 with extension tube is *very* macro capable as is my FA 28-80) and a good old M 135/3.5 would be a nice edition for some portrait work too. These old lenses are super well built and should last me some years. I have a growing collection of digital lenses too. I'd love a limited or two to add inone day. My point is that I love old Pentax glass, and there seems to be no shortage of it going for alright prices. I know I love to whine when I notice KEH magically nearly doubles their prices overnight, but in reality this is a good thing anyways. Scarcity increases value and the way things are going, all of my glass will likely sell more for what I bought it for. When I look at what it would cost to replace some of my most used lenses in Canikon flavors, I cringe because I'm still getting amazing bang for my buck. People seem to love my pictures too, and I love the way old glass renders images. I think it is somewhat unique in a world when 90% of people out there are shooting canikon and using the same small set of lenses. If I had a bit more cash going on, I would love to get an old 67 and switch my film work from 35mm to 6x7. I'm not feeling overly optimistic about how Pentax has progressed since Ricoh bought them, but at the same time, that was their swan song and their only chance at staying as a camera manufacturer. Without Ricoh, Pentax wouldn't exist today. It seems like they might be content just keeping it a boutique brand. I hope that isn't the case, but without seeing new compelling products instead of a few rebadged compacts and a slew of rehashed DSLRs built on mostly 2010 technology, not to mention that Q10 and now Q7 are just only marginally better. The Q7 was a nice move, but they couldn't even redesign the shell for a new sensor? I don't get it. As polarizing as the K-01 and K-30 were, they were *different* and interesting. Now we just get some DSLRs that are basically a K-30 with a new shell. Even the buttons are in the same exact place, so we can gather that the internals are 99% the same as the K-30. Meh. We need a true K-5 replacement. Badly. I'm sure that the next few generations of DSLRs will be ok, but on the day that they abandon the DSLR or K-mount, I will be certainly looking long and hard at another system. For right now, the combination of tough bodies, weather sealing, decent to amazing IQ, vintage glass, and the best DSLR ergonomics ever are working well for me and what I want to do. As long as it says pentax across the pentaprism housing and takes my lenses I don't ultimately care if Hoya or Ricoh or even Quantaray own it. Ok...maybe not quantaray...but still. I like Ricoh and their GR-D camera is a stunning piece of technology, so I wish them the best. I just hope they don't give up on Pentax or cannibalize whats' left of it. I want to still be a Pentaxian 10 years from now. Its true about it being like Hotel California. Pentax for life! (and yes I'm likely just a blind, idiotic fanboythe K-1000 and later K-7 both won my heart so sue me) On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: The sony proprietary hot shoe was NEX only I believe(I could be wrong), but I believe that sony is going back to a standard hot shoe that will take mostly anything. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:43 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: I remember reading that Sony has replaced the Minolta proprietary hot shoe with something else weather it's another proprietary mount based on the ISO standard or something else, I don't know. The local Camera store that carries Sony only has the NEX line in stock. On 7/3/2013 6:10 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P.J. Alling When Pentax was first acquired by Ricoh, I read on someone's photography blog that Ricoh, wanted a prestige name on a prestige product, but unfortunately between Ricoh and Pentax they thought that Ricoh was the prestige name. Pentax/Ricoh imaging was just an interim name until the merger of assets was complete. Will they rebrand the SLR line as Ricoh, who knows but if they didn't intend to continue making SLR's Ricoh could have killed the K-50 and K-500. They didn't so we'll just have to wait and see. I don't really care if the name on the front of the camera or the lenses is Pentax or Ricoh, as long as my K-mount lenses still work we don't go back to the days of that problem where the lenses got stuck you couldn't get them to come off. Sony bought Minolta the name went away. But, old Minolta lenses are still compatible with Sony's Minolta lens mount (AFAIK) you still have to use an adapter to mount a hot-shoe flash on that funky proprietary mount Minolta had. So, I don't think this is
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on 2013-07-03 15:39 John Sessoms wrote Does Tokina still make any lenses in Pentax mount? i think the point is that Pentax Tokina have (had?) an agreement where Tokina would produce the same lens design in other mounts, but not in K mount, which is why Tokina doesn't seem to produce K-mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes. The 12-24 was tokina designed and Pentax also shared the 50-135 design with Tokina. I believe Pentax developed that particular lens. I believe there may be some other Tokina designed lenses with the Pentax name on them over the years. In fact Pentax has had a long history of licensing optical designs and/or rebadging lenses from third parties. The plastic fantastic slower FA 100 macro comes to mind as well as a few budget A series lenses and even some of the K-mount 80s Takumars. The new 18-250 or whatever superzoom is just a rebadged Tamron at 2x the price. There was a solid rumor that Tokina and Pentax have been working together on some new full frame lenses, but its hard to say what's really going on with full frame development right now. There was some initial disclosure and then they suddenly because very quiet on the subject again. First it was fall 2012.then fall 2013 an announcement was to be made. Well, now I hear rumors that its being pushed back to spring 2014. Also the 645D upgrade that was supposed to be in the works is still a no show. Not really encouraging if you ask me. I guess time will tell. Pentax really needs to focus on some new APS-C lenses. The 16-45 and 12-24 are long overdue for replacement and are both pretty much out of production. The 55-300 could use a refresh with some WR as well. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:23 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2013-07-03 15:39 John Sessoms wrote Does Tokina still make any lenses in Pentax mount? i think the point is that Pentax Tokina have (had?) an agreement where Tokina would produce the same lens design in other mounts, but not in K mount, which is why Tokina doesn't seem to produce K-mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Tiger Direct store here in Raleigh has a couple of Sony models in stock. I go in there every Wednesday one of the things I look at is the cameras, because they were the only store that ever had any NEW Pentax DSLRs in stock. They had the K-x, the K-r and most recently the K-30. They haven't had any K-30s for the last month or so. All three Sony models they have on display in the store have that funky hot shoe. From: P.J. Alling I remember reading that Sony has replaced the Minolta proprietary hot shoe with something else weather it's another proprietary mount based on the ISO standard or something else, I don't know. The local Camera store that carries Sony only has the NEX line in stock. On 7/3/2013 6:10 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P.J. Alling When Pentax was first acquired by Ricoh, I read on someone's photography blog that Ricoh, wanted a prestige name on a prestige product, but unfortunately between Ricoh and Pentax they thought that Ricoh was the prestige name. Pentax/Ricoh imaging was just an interim name until the merger of assets was complete. Will they rebrand the SLR line as Ricoh, who knows but if they didn't intend to continue making SLR's Ricoh could have killed the K-50 and K-500. They didn't so we'll just have to wait and see. I don't really care if the name on the front of the camera or the lenses is Pentax or Ricoh, as long as my K-mount lenses still work we don't go back to the days of that problem where the lenses got stuck you couldn't get them to come off. Sony bought Minolta the name went away. But, old Minolta lenses are still compatible with Sony's Minolta lens mount (AFAIK) you still have to use an adapter to mount a hot-shoe flash on that funky proprietary mount Minolta had. So, I don't think this is the end of the world ... YET. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think the nex-6 has a standard hot shoe. There was a big backlash against sony for changing the shoe. I would never personally buy a sony camera. I think their record with consumers and trying to lock them in to proprietary accessories as well pulling stunts like putting illegal rootkits on their music CDs has made me avoid them like the plague. Too bad too, because in the 90s they made some decent sound equipment and had a rich history with audio and TV equipment. Their laptops used to be quality too. I never liked SLT personally. My guess is that they go mirrorless entirely or that they do something totally different. Maybe even make the option to flip the mirror. There are some fierce rumors going around that they are looking to abandon DSLRs entirely so nothing would surprise me. It really is too bad that pentax doesn't have any cameras in stores here in the US. They might actually sell more if they *advertised* and got cameras out there. Does Pentax USA even have a marketing dept? :( On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:18 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: The Tiger Direct store here in Raleigh has a couple of Sony models in stock. I go in there every Wednesday one of the things I look at is the cameras, because they were the only store that ever had any NEW Pentax DSLRs in stock. They had the K-x, the K-r and most recently the K-30. They haven't had any K-30s for the last month or so. All three Sony models they have on display in the store have that funky hot shoe. From: P.J. Alling I remember reading that Sony has replaced the Minolta proprietary hot shoe with something else weather it's another proprietary mount based on the ISO standard or something else, I don't know. The local Camera store that carries Sony only has the NEX line in stock. On 7/3/2013 6:10 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: P.J. Alling When Pentax was first acquired by Ricoh, I read on someone's photography blog that Ricoh, wanted a prestige name on a prestige product, but unfortunately between Ricoh and Pentax they thought that Ricoh was the prestige name. Pentax/Ricoh imaging was just an interim name until the merger of assets was complete. Will they rebrand the SLR line as Ricoh, who knows but if they didn't intend to continue making SLR's Ricoh could have killed the K-50 and K-500. They didn't so we'll just have to wait and see. I don't really care if the name on the front of the camera or the lenses is Pentax or Ricoh, as long as my K-mount lenses still work we don't go back to the days of that problem where the lenses got stuck you couldn't get them to come off. Sony bought Minolta the name went away. But, old Minolta lenses are still compatible with Sony's Minolta lens mount (AFAIK) you still have to use an adapter to mount a hot-shoe flash on that funky proprietary mount Minolta had. So, I don't think this is the end of the world ... YET. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 09:40:09PM -0400, Zos Xavius wrote: Does Pentax USA even have a marketing dept? :( Mark! -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jul 03, 2013, Zos Xavius wrote: I think the nex-6 has a standard hot shoe. There was a big backlash against sony for changing the shoe. I would never personally buy a sony camera. I think their record with consumers and trying to lock them in to proprietary accessories as well pulling stunts like putting illegal rootkits on their music CDs has made me avoid them like the plague. Too bad too, because in the 90s they made some decent sound equipment and had a rich history with audio and TV equipment. Their laptops used to be quality too. [...] You speak precisely for me (I won't work for them, either; they have offices nearby and advertise regularly for Python programmers). -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 Oh dear. Another First World Problem to add to the list. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/first-world-problems http://first-world-problems.com/ -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No Mark. Just another yawn. Paul via phone On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:57 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 09:40:09PM -0400, Zos Xavius wrote: Does Pentax USA even have a marketing dept? :( Mark! -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pentax doesn't want to repeat the MZ-D debacle. The MZ-D would have been among the first affordable, hell it would have been the first FF DSLR camera, in 2002. Quite a feat for Pentax to have for their first foray into the DSLR market. It was only 6mp but at the time most DSLR's were 6mp. They thought that they were steeling a march on Canon and Nikon. Unfortunately two things intervened Kodak and Canon both announced much higher resolution full frame DSLRs (the DCS 14n and EOS-1Ds), and the Philips sensor that Pentax was designing the camera around was, very disappointing. Pentax was already showing the camera around and even had working samples out for testing. Between those, depending on how you count them, two or three unfortunate events, Pentax decided that they couldn't profitably market the MZ-D. It was never released though an MZ-D body, (also known as the MR-42), was pictured on an Asian camera site with K-1 silk screened on it's top plate where Pentax DSLRs have their model displayed. On 7/3/2013 7:35 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: Yes. The 12-24 was tokina designed and Pentax also shared the 50-135 design with Tokina. I believe Pentax developed that particular lens. I believe there may be some other Tokina designed lenses with the Pentax name on them over the years. In fact Pentax has had a long history of licensing optical designs and/or rebadging lenses from third parties. The plastic fantastic slower FA 100 macro comes to mind as well as a few budget A series lenses and even some of the K-mount 80s Takumars. The new 18-250 or whatever superzoom is just a rebadged Tamron at 2x the price. There was a solid rumor that Tokina and Pentax have been working together on some new full frame lenses, but its hard to say what's really going on with full frame development right now. There was some initial disclosure and then they suddenly because very quiet on the subject again. First it was fall 2012.then fall 2013 an announcement was to be made. Well, now I hear rumors that its being pushed back to spring 2014. Also the 645D upgrade that was supposed to be in the works is still a no show. Not really encouraging if you ask me. I guess time will tell. Pentax really needs to focus on some new APS-C lenses. The 16-45 and 12-24 are long overdue for replacement and are both pretty much out of production. The 55-300 could use a refresh with some WR as well. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:23 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2013-07-03 15:39 John Sessoms wrote Does Tokina still make any lenses in Pentax mount? i think the point is that Pentax Tokina have (had?) an agreement where Tokina would produce the same lens design in other mounts, but not in K mount, which is why Tokina doesn't seem to produce K-mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If they released a full frame in that body I think I would be in love. One can only dream. The Contax that was released around that sensor was a miserable failure so they probably took the right course of action as bitter as it left some people. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:53 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Pentax doesn't want to repeat the MZ-D debacle. The MZ-D would have been among the first affordable, hell it would have been the first FF DSLR camera, in 2002. Quite a feat for Pentax to have for their first foray into the DSLR market. It was only 6mp but at the time most DSLR's were 6mp. They thought that they were steeling a march on Canon and Nikon. Unfortunately two things intervened Kodak and Canon both announced much higher resolution full frame DSLRs (the DCS 14n and EOS-1Ds), and the Philips sensor that Pentax was designing the camera around was, very disappointing. Pentax was already showing the camera around and even had working samples out for testing. Between those, depending on how you count them, two or three unfortunate events, Pentax decided that they couldn't profitably market the MZ-D. It was never released though an MZ-D body, (also known as the MR-42), was pictured on an Asian camera site with K-1 silk screened on it's top plate where Pentax DSLRs have their model displayed. On 7/3/2013 7:35 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: Yes. The 12-24 was tokina designed and Pentax also shared the 50-135 design with Tokina. I believe Pentax developed that particular lens. I believe there may be some other Tokina designed lenses with the Pentax name on them over the years. In fact Pentax has had a long history of licensing optical designs and/or rebadging lenses from third parties. The plastic fantastic slower FA 100 macro comes to mind as well as a few budget A series lenses and even some of the K-mount 80s Takumars. The new 18-250 or whatever superzoom is just a rebadged Tamron at 2x the price. There was a solid rumor that Tokina and Pentax have been working together on some new full frame lenses, but its hard to say what's really going on with full frame development right now. There was some initial disclosure and then they suddenly because very quiet on the subject again. First it was fall 2012.then fall 2013 an announcement was to be made. Well, now I hear rumors that its being pushed back to spring 2014. Also the 645D upgrade that was supposed to be in the works is still a no show. Not really encouraging if you ask me. I guess time will tell. Pentax really needs to focus on some new APS-C lenses. The 16-45 and 12-24 are long overdue for replacement and are both pretty much out of production. The 55-300 could use a refresh with some WR as well. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:23 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2013-07-03 15:39 John Sessoms wrote Does Tokina still make any lenses in Pentax mount? i think the point is that Pentax Tokina have (had?) an agreement where Tokina would produce the same lens design in other mounts, but not in K mount, which is why Tokina doesn't seem to produce K-mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Stay close to the candles. The stairway can be... treacherous. cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Doug Franklin do...@nutdriver.org Sent: July 3, 2013 7/3/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Pentax is history Someone said Frau Blucher! -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/4/2013 2:23 AM, Zos Xavius wrote: I like Ricoh and their GR-D camera is a stunning piece of technology, so I wish them the best. I just hope they don't give up on Pentax or cannibalize whats' left of it. I want to still be a Pentaxian 10 years from now. Its true about it being like Hotel California. Pentax for life! (and yes I'm likely just a blind, idiotic fanboythe K-1000 and later K-7 both won my heart so sue me) Not idiotic. Definitely not. However very strange view in my eyes. I think you confuse photographic gear (which is just a means) with the PDML as a community, which arguably is one of the very best out there. We have here few people who don't shoot Pentax and who greatly contribute to the community both photographically and socially. But Pentax for life! - this strikes me as rather weird. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/3/2013 2:41 PM, Eric Weir wrote: Just noticed this. After reading all the hand-wringing comments, my reaction is, I love my ist*DS. I'm perfectly happy with it. But maybe I should get myself a K-5 ASAP. Not sure it would be wise for me financially, but it's my reaction. Eric, money permitting, I sincerely believe that you at least ought to give yourself a fair chance and take necessary steps to get yourself an operational K-5 to hold in your hands and operate it a bit to get a first hand impression. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Jul 04, 2013 at 07:04:06AM +0300, Boris Liberman wrote: I think you confuse photographic gear (which is just a means) with the PDML as a community, which arguably is one of the very best out there. We have here few people who don't shoot Pentax and who greatly contribute to the community both photographically and socially. But Pentax for life! - this strikes me as rather weird. Pentax for life is a bit severe, but I'm sure he could be out in 20 years for good behavior. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I suddenly feel like a hipster. -- Walt On 7/2/2013 10:05 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, recently (like two days ago) Carl Zeiss turned to be Zeiss. So it seems to fit the recent trend. Suddenly Pentax is up to date... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 2, 2013 6:05:59 PM Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 11:05:59AM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 So that's what it's like to lose a PRIC. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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:( So ricoh absorbs pentax and reduces the name to a marque. If they were smart, it would be Pentax Imaging Company. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well, recently (like two days ago) Carl Zeiss turned to be Zeiss. So it seems to fit the recent trend. Suddenly Pentax is up to date... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 2, 2013 6:05:59 PM Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: :( So ricoh absorbs pentax and reduces the name to a marque. That's certain death. Look how Mercedes-Benz has failed as a marque of Daimler, or Chevrolet as a marque of GM. Paul If they were smart, it would be Pentax Imaging Company. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well, recently (like two days ago) Carl Zeiss turned to be Zeiss. So it seems to fit the recent trend. Suddenly Pentax is up to date... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 2, 2013 6:05:59 PM Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/2/2013 11:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: :( So ricoh absorbs pentax and reduces the name to a marque. That's certain death. Look how Mercedes-Benz has failed as a marque of Daimler, or Chevrolet as a marque of GM. Paul And then there was Pontiac, DeSoto, Oldsmobile, etc., etc. etc. Otis If they were smart, it would be Pentax Imaging Company. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well, recently (like two days ago) Carl Zeiss turned to be Zeiss. So it seems to fit the recent trend. Suddenly Pentax is up to date... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On July 2, 2013 6:05:59 PM Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sadly, I looked at lenses today. A 15 or 20mm Pentax was $650. Even the humble 40mm was quite pricey. I guess I'm sticking with what I have, and will consider another system for full frame wide angle stuff. I don't think we will survive this transition. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The lens prices are obscene at the moment if you ask me. $1000 for a 12-24? robbery! esp when a tokina copy is like $500.. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Sadly, I looked at lenses today. A 15 or 20mm Pentax was $650. Even the humble 40mm was quite pricey. I guess I'm sticking with what I have, and will consider another system for full frame wide angle stuff. I don't think we will survive this transition. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/2/2013 11:19 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: I guess I'm sticking with what I have, and will consider another system for full frame wide angle stuff. I don't think we will survive this transition. Regards, Bob S. I have to say I have that same feeling. It may be premature and even a little irrational, but there it is. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 11:32:49AM -0500, Walt wrote: On 7/2/2013 11:19 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: I guess I'm sticking with what I have, and will consider another system for full frame wide angle stuff. I don't think we will survive this transition. Regards, Bob S. I have to say I have that same feeling. It may be premature and even a little irrational, but there it is. I look at these changes, and things like the lack of a full frame option, and I feel certain that Pentax is doomed. Then I look at the pictures I get with my camera compared with what other people get in the same situations, or the size of the K-5 sitting next to a 5D, and I'm not so sure. So, tell me, what would an image stabilized f/1.8 or f/1.4 lens cost for a Nikon or Canon? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/7/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 So what's in a name then ? My first ever photography class at junior high school in 1972 was taken by a teacher with a Pentax hanging from his neck and ever since then I aspired to that. It was like a brick of gold. Who knows, I might even go full circle if they finally get it together and pop a digital sensor in of the same size in that gold brick. It'll have only taken about 40-odd years ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Non-stabilized 50 F1.4 is approx the same price, $400ish Canon's is an old design as is the Pentax one. Stabilized lenses for Canon are rather pricey!!! http://petapixel.com/2012/02/07/canon-unveils-the-24-70mm-f2-8-ii-24mm-f2-8- is-and-28mm-f2-8-is/ I feel great about my K5, better every week in fact. I get IS even with a 40 year old lens. gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 1:24 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax is history On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 11:32:49AM -0500, Walt wrote: On 7/2/2013 11:19 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: I guess I'm sticking with what I have, and will consider another system for full frame wide angle stuff. I don't think we will survive this transition. Regards, Bob S. I have to say I have that same feeling. It may be premature and even a little irrational, but there it is. I look at these changes, and things like the lack of a full frame option, and I feel certain that Pentax is doomed. Then I look at the pictures I get with my camera compared with what other people get in the same situations, or the size of the K-5 sitting next to a 5D, and I'm not so sure. So, tell me, what would an image stabilized f/1.8 or f/1.4 lens cost for a Nikon or Canon? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/2/2013 11:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: :( So ricoh absorbs pentax and reduces the name to a marque. That's certain death. Look how Mercedes-Benz has failed as a marque of Daimler, or Chevrolet as a marque of GM. Paul And then there was Pontiac, DeSoto, Oldsmobile, etc., etc. etc. Otis The announcement of the name change is double speak in my opinion. Does removing PENTAX from the company name indicate a commitment to the brand in your minds? Maybe a commitment to the business means Ricoh's business as a whole - which would be a natural thing for any company. As you know I exited PENTAX a year ago. Yes it was pricey, especially for what is considered pro-quality lenses vs. consumer quality. However the angst is over. No more waiting, waiting, waiting. Lens choices galore, not to mention AF speed and accuracy with N*. It doesn't mean you can't get excellent pictures with a Pentax body. You can. For me it got to the point that I didn't want to keep 'investing' in an unsure future when other brands had what I want now as well as a future that seems more secure. A lot has been mentioned in the past about bang for the buck. Granted the K-5's offer that, However there's two parts there. 1, BANG 2. BUCK If one's more concerned about the BUCK, then by all means get the most BANG you can for it. If one's more concerned about the BANG, then get the most BANG and realize it'll take more BUCK. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com I look at these changes, and things like the lack of a full frame option, and I feel certain that Pentax is doomed. Then I look at the pictures I get with my camera compared with what other people get in the same situations, or the size of the K-5 sitting next to a 5D, and I'm not so sure. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc You're assuming the person operating those cameras understands what they're doing or is using the camera in the same mode/manner as yourself. Lot's and lot's of variables there that having nothing to do with the model camera or the brand. Size and ergonomics is quickly adapted to. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013, Tom C wrote: Size and ergonomics is quickly adapted to. Nope, and I speak from lots of experience. Maybe for YOU that is true. However, if you truly want to argue the point, I suggest that you see how productive you are on each of Mac, Windows, and Linux. I'll bet significant differences will show up. Similarly, try using a cell phone completely one-handed when you cannot circle the phone with your hand (any phone with a 4.5 or larger screen will probably do, unless you've got a gigantic hand). Bringing this back on topic, I like the ergonomics of the K-x and K-5, but not the K-30, even after about two hours of real usage: it just hurt holding it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013, Tom C wrote: A lot has been mentioned in the past about bang for the buck. Granted the K-5's offer that, However there's two parts there. 1, BANG 2. BUCK If one's more concerned about the BUCK, then by all means get the most BANG you can for it. If one's more concerned about the BANG, then get the most BANG and realize it'll take more BUCK. What do you do when BOTH are important? How do you balance different kinds of BANGs? (One thing I really like about Pentax is having image stabilization in camera, just can't get that with Canikon.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The k-5 is what brought me to pentax. if they release another body that good I will be happy. If not, then nikon looks all the more appealing with their d7100.not to mention full frame and legacy glass galore! On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 02, 2013, Tom C wrote: Size and ergonomics is quickly adapted to. Nope, and I speak from lots of experience. Maybe for YOU that is true. However, if you truly want to argue the point, I suggest that you see how productive you are on each of Mac, Windows, and Linux. I'll bet significant differences will show up. Similarly, try using a cell phone completely one-handed when you cannot circle the phone with your hand (any phone with a 4.5 or larger screen will probably do, unless you've got a gigantic hand). Bringing this back on topic, I like the ergonomics of the K-x and K-5, but not the K-30, even after about two hours of real usage: it just hurt holding it. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Aahz Maruch Tue, 02 Jul 2013 12:26:12 -0700 On Tue, Jul 02, 2013, Tom C wrote: Size and ergonomics is quickly adapted to. Nope, and I speak from lots of experience. Maybe for YOU that is true. However, if you truly want to argue the point, I suggest that you see how productive you are on each of Mac, Windows, and Linux. I'll bet significant differences will show up. Similarly, try using a cell phone completely one-handed when you cannot circle the phone with your hand (any phone with a 4.5 or larger screen will probably do, unless you've got a gigantic hand). I don't want to argue the point and wasn't. However the user interface of a digital camera is significantly less robust than that of a given operating system. My son went from a PC to a Mac with little issue. He also went from an Android phone to an iPhone with little issue. I went from a K-7 to a D800E with little issue. Maybe your just less adaptable. :) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Aahz Maruch Tue, 02 Jul 2013 12:28:07 -0700 What do you do when BOTH are important? How do you balance different kinds of BANGs? (One thing I really like about Pentax is having image stabilization in camera, just can't get that with Canikon.) It's that way for everyone except the extremely wealthy. Both are important to me. Switching brands, lens acquisition is gradual, but then the same was true when purchasing Pentax. I care about IS on long lenses more than wide angles. If I can afford an IS lens I'd buy it. If I couldn't, I'd plan on using a tripod. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pentax is history. Pentax is dead. We're all doomed! If I had a dollar for every thread along these lines I've seen here, I could be retired rather than working about 70 hours this week. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List PDML@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 11:05 AM Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For real? Its a name change for goodness sake. Ricoh doomed? It's not like cameras are their only thing. Next time I am in Mumbai, can I collect your Pentax gear? :-) Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 3:36 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax is History Here is my reply to Ricoh:- Since the 1970s I have been with Pentax. Yes I do have a Ricoh film camera since 1990, but I am basically a Pentaxian. With the name change to RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD in place of PENTAX RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD, both Pentax and Ricoh are DOOMED. I shan't call myself a Pentaxian any more since Pentax as a Company is DEAD. I shall have to move on to other DSLR brands. Yours very Sadly Bipin B. Gupta. retd. Advisor, world's largest conglomerate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just keep in mind that switching away from Pentax and moving on from it are two entirely separate matters. ;) -- Walt On 7/2/2013 2:35 PM, Bipin Gupta wrote: Here is my reply to Ricoh:- Since the 1970s I have been with Pentax. Yes I do have a Ricoh film camera since 1990, but I am basically a Pentaxian. With the name change to RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD in place of PENTAX RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD, both Pentax and Ricoh are DOOMED. I shan't call myself a Pentaxian any more since Pentax as a Company is DEAD. I shall have to move on to other DSLR brands. Yours very Sadly Bipin B. Gupta. retd. Advisor, world's largest conglomerate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 2, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/2/2013 11:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: :( So ricoh absorbs pentax and reduces the name to a marque. That's certain death. Look how Mercedes-Benz has failed as a marque of Daimler, or Chevrolet as a marque of GM. Paul And then there was Pontiac, DeSoto, Oldsmobile, etc., etc. etc. Otis The announcement of the name change is double speak in my opinion. Does removing PENTAX from the company name indicate a commitment to the brand in your minds? Maybe a commitment to the business means Ricoh's business as a whole - which would be a natural thing for any company. As you know I exited PENTAX a year ago. Yes it was pricey, especially for what is considered pro-quality lenses vs. consumer quality. However the angst is over. No more waiting, waiting, waiting. Lens choices galore, not to mention AF speed and accuracy with N*. It doesn't mean you can't get excellent pictures with a Pentax body. You can. For me it got to the point that I didn't want to keep 'investing' in an unsure future when other brands had what I want now as well as a future that seems more secure. A lot has been mentioned in the past about bang for the buck. Granted the K-5's offer that, However there's two parts there. 1, BANG 2. BUCK If one's more concerned about the BUCK, then by all means get the most BANG you can for it. If one's more concerned about the BANG, then get the most BANG and realize it'll take more BUCK. The photo editors at The New York Times, Harris Publications and a number of other concerns I shoot for tell me I get at least as much BANG as any of their shooters. In fact one recently asked me how I achieve so much definition. i blamed it on the DA* 60-250. A few (not many) of the shooters I compete with have kits like…well, like yours. And they frequently complain that their profit margin is too small. But more and more I see the expensive gear mainly in the hands of the really big buck ad agency shooters and the doctors and lawyers, who like to have expensive stuff hanging around their neck. (Although Leicas are still the number one choice with the prestige set.) Serious photography doesn't require mega expensive equipment. It doesn't even require a 24 x 36 sensor. (All sensors are full frame. I get a full frame with every shot.) Paul Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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OMG! They changed the name of the parent company. They didn't slaughter innocents. On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote: Here is my reply to Ricoh:- Since the 1970s I have been with Pentax. Yes I do have a Ricoh film camera since 1990, but I am basically a Pentaxian. With the name change to RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD in place of PENTAX RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD, both Pentax and Ricoh are DOOMED. I shan't call myself a Pentaxian any more since Pentax as a Company is DEAD. I shall have to move on to other DSLR brands. Yours very Sadly Bipin B. Gupta. retd. Advisor, world's largest conglomerate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013, Tom C wrote: Aahz Maruch Tue, 02 Jul 2013 12:26:12 -0700 On Tue, Jul 02, 2013, Tom C wrote: Size and ergonomics is quickly adapted to. Nope, and I speak from lots of experience. Maybe for YOU that is true. My son went from a PC to a Mac with little issue. He also went from an Android phone to an iPhone with little issue. I went from a K-7 to a D800E with little issue. Maybe your just less adaptable. :) Or I value my time and productivity and comfort more than other people; I've been using Mac, Windows, and Unix-like OSes -- all of them -- for more than a quarter-century, and although I'm capable of production work on all of them (as demonstrated by my employment history), I am far less productive on Windows than the other two (and overall prefer Linux even though there's less clear productivity and comfort difference between it and Mac, mainly because Mac is Unix-based these days). I bet that if you were forced to use an Olympus E-PL5 you would find many issues. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rick, I'm not saying THE SKY IS FALLING, just that the weather is moving in and the ceiling is starting to look a bit low. Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: Pentax is history. Pentax is dead. We're all doomed! If I had a dollar for every thread along these lines I've seen here, I could be retired rather than working about 70 hours this week. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List PDML@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 11:05 AM Subject: Pentax is history How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pentax is history. Pentax is dead. ?We're all doomed! ?If I had a dollar for every thread along these lines I've seen here, I could be retired rather than working about 70 hours this week. Rick ? http://photo.net/photos/RickW Well facts are: (you of course know already) 1. Pentax wasn't doing too good several years back. Evidence: Pentax was acquired by Hoya. 2. Hoya bought them, stripped them of the medical instruments division which was profitable, and then didn't infuse much cash into the camera division. Hoya either didn't want to do what it would take, or thought it was too much much effort with no guarantee of success, or not enough pay-off. Evidence: Hoya sold them. 3. Ricoh bought them, and since then we have two more K-5 models, not too much different than the original, no FF (or promise of one), no large sensor mirror-less even though one had been developed, marketed, sold, abandoned. I'm not stating there won't be new DSLR models, just the facts as they currently exist. 4. Ricoh removed the PENTAX moniker from the company name, but would like everyone to understand they remain committed. 5. There is now no imaging/photographic company having PENTAX in the name. At this point I see 4 potential possibilities. 1. Ricoh sells the PENTAX marque and associated technology rights. 2. Ricoh continues making K-mount bodies with the PENTAX name. (status quo) 3. Ricoh continues making K-mount bodies with the Ricoh name and not PENTAX. If so, then can it be said PENTAX is dead? 4. Ricoh stops making K-mount equipment period. One can argue against the facts all they wish. If they're not dead, then all signs are it's a slowly progressing disease that may end up in the same place. Strange how the life-cycle of companies is often an analogue to the human life-cycle. Competition in the marketplace is intense. Some win, some lose, some limp along for along time. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi, Tom! Have you made any editing program changes since using the D800E? How about computer or operating system? Do you find the large files at all unwieldy? Have you found moire a nuisance? Do you use continuous shutter once in awhile? Is the frame rate satisfactory? Are you truly blown away by the resolution? Do you, still covet the K-5 and secretly take along as a back-up. (shh) Jack From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 1:04 PM Subject: Re: Pentax is history Aahz Maruch Tue, 02 Jul 2013 12:28:07 -0700 What do you do when BOTH are important? How do you balance different kinds of BANGs? (One thing I really like about Pentax is having image stabilization in camera, just can't get that with Canikon.) It's that way for everyone except the extremely wealthy. Both are important to me. Switching brands, lens acquisition is gradual, but then the same was true when purchasing Pentax. I care about IS on long lenses more than wide angles. If I can afford an IS lens I'd buy it. If I couldn't, I'd plan on using a tripod. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: OMG! They changed the name of the parent company. They didn't slaughter innocents. Hi Paul, My crystal ball is broken.:) However, I have to feel the question is WHY? You've worked in very large corporations. CEO's, Boards, strategists generally just don't sit around and make these decisions willy-nilly (well OK, sometimes yes). When Ricoh acquired PENTAX and the name changed to include PENTAX, it was generally viewed as a good thing. It could be interpreted, that if nothing else, Ricoh viewed PENTAX as a partner of sorts, and everyone thought 'Hurrah for PENTAX! So when the name changes to remove PENTAX, it raises, at the least, questions as to why. If one thinks conversely to the above it means 1) maybe the opposite, 2) maybe Ricoh feels the PENTAX part of the name does not enhance the Ricoh image, 3) maybe the folks at Ricoh are arrogant bastards and want their old name back, 4) maybe nothing at all, or 5) something completely different (a Monthy Python camera perhaps)... couldn't resist. Since cause and effect is a universal rule, option 4 is unlikely. Only time will tell. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 12:53:27PM -0600, Tom C wrote: If one's more concerned about the BANG, then get the most BANG and realize it'll take more BUCK. A friend of mine won at a round of Silicon Valley roulette, and is now a full time professional landscape photographer. On most years, he even makes enough money to cover his travel expenses. He's a Canonite, and some years back bought a 1D3, which set him back something close to $8,000 IIRC. A few weeks ago, he rented a Nikon D800E and did a comparison shoot between it, and his 1D3. The short answer is that on 12x18 prints at low ISO, the differences between the two cameras were detectible, but subtle. The bigger the print, or the higher the ISO, the bigger the differences were, in favor of the Nikon. It seems that no matter what gear you have, something else will do something better. I was a bit shocked when we looked it up, and it seems that 1D3 bodies are going for less than $1,500 on KEH. (Interesting: a D700 is at KEH for $1570, though I suspect the D7100 may perform nearly as well) -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 04:08:29PM -0400, Gerrit Visser wrote: For real? Its a name change for goodness sake. Ricoh doomed? It's not like cameras are their only thing. Next time I am in Mumbai, can I collect your Pentax gear? :-) He's not in Mumbai, he's in Bangalore. I've got a co-worker heading here from Bangalore next week, so if Bipin is just going to throw away his Pentax gear, I could probably talk Sumit into bringing it here for me. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bipin Gupta Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 3:36 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Pentax is History Here is my reply to Ricoh:- Since the 1970s I have been with Pentax. Yes I do have a Ricoh film camera since 1990, but I am basically a Pentaxian. With the name change to RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD in place of PENTAX RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD, both Pentax and Ricoh are DOOMED. I shan't call myself a Pentaxian any more since Pentax as a Company is DEAD. I shall have to move on to other DSLR brands. Yours very Sadly Bipin B. Gupta. retd. Advisor, world's largest conglomerate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 04:31:18PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: OMG! They changed the name of the parent company. They didn't slaughter innocents. Mark! On Jul 2, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote: Here is my reply to Ricoh:- Since the 1970s I have been with Pentax. Yes I do have a Ricoh film camera since 1990, but I am basically a Pentaxian. With the name change to RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD in place of PENTAX RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD, both Pentax and Ricoh are DOOMED. I shan't call myself a Pentaxian any more since Pentax as a Company is DEAD. I shall have to move on to other DSLR brands. Yours very Sadly Bipin B. Gupta. retd. Advisor, world's largest conglomerate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jack Davis wrote: Hi, Tom! Have you made any editing program changes since using the D800E? How about computer or operating system? Do you find the large files at all unwieldy? Have you found moire a nuisance? Do you use continuous shutter once in awhile? Is the frame rate satisfactory? Are you truly blown away by the resolution? Do you, still covet the K-5 and secretly take along as a back-up. (shh) Funny Jack. :) No No No No No Don't know Yes No HTH. :) Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 03:59:35PM -0600, Tom C wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: OMG! They changed the name of the parent company. They didn't slaughter innocents. Hi Paul, My crystal ball is broken.:) However, I have to feel the question is WHY? You've worked in very large corporations. CEO's, Boards, strategists generally just don't sit around and make these decisions willy-nilly (well OK, sometimes yes). When Ricoh acquired PENTAX and the name changed to include PENTAX, it was generally viewed as a good thing. It could be interpreted, that if nothing else, Ricoh viewed PENTAX as a partner of sorts, and everyone thought 'Hurrah for PENTAX! So when the name changes to remove PENTAX, it raises, at the least, questions as to why. If one thinks conversely to the above it means 1) maybe the opposite, 2) maybe Ricoh feels the PENTAX part of the name does not enhance the Ricoh image, 3) maybe the folks at Ricoh are arrogant bastards and want their old name back, 4) maybe nothing at all, or 5) something completely different (a Monthy Python camera perhaps)... couldn't resist. Maybe they realized after the fact that PRIC is really an unfortunate acronym. Maybe various retailers have gotten tired of dealing with the various Pentax antics in recent memories, and just as a policy will no longer deal with Pentax. However, they may just deal with Ricoh. Maybe they are no longer considering Pentax camera as the red-headed stepchild, and they are now part of the family. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When Pentax was first acquired by Ricoh, I read on someone's photography blog that Ricoh, wanted a prestige name on a prestige product, but unfortunately between Ricoh and Pentax they thought that Ricoh was the prestige name. Pentax/Ricoh imaging was just an interim name until the merger of assets was complete. Will they rebrand the SLR line as Ricoh, who knows but if they didn't intend to continue making SLR's Ricoh could have killed the K-50 and K-500. They didn't so we'll just have to wait and see. On 7/2/2013 5:59 PM, Tom C wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: OMG! They changed the name of the parent company. They didn't slaughter innocents. Hi Paul, My crystal ball is broken.:) However, I have to feel the question is WHY? You've worked in very large corporations. CEO's, Boards, strategists generally just don't sit around and make these decisions willy-nilly (well OK, sometimes yes). When Ricoh acquired PENTAX and the name changed to include PENTAX, it was generally viewed as a good thing. It could be interpreted, that if nothing else, Ricoh viewed PENTAX as a partner of sorts, and everyone thought 'Hurrah for PENTAX! So when the name changes to remove PENTAX, it raises, at the least, questions as to why. If one thinks conversely to the above it means 1) maybe the opposite, 2) maybe Ricoh feels the PENTAX part of the name does not enhance the Ricoh image, 3) maybe the folks at Ricoh are arrogant bastards and want their old name back, 4) maybe nothing at all, or 5) something completely different (a Monthy Python camera perhaps)... couldn't resist. Since cause and effect is a universal rule, option 4 is unlikely. Only time will tell. Tom C. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul wrote: The photo editors at The New York Times, Harris Publications and a number of other concerns I shoot for tell me I get at least as much BANG as any of their shooters. In fact one recently asked me how I achieve so much definition. i blamed it on the DA* 60- 250. A few (not many) of the shooters I compete with have kits like?well, like yours. And they frequently complain that their profit margin is too small. But more and more I see the expensive gear mainly in the hands of the really big buck ad agency shooters and the doctors and lawyers, who like to have expensive stuff hanging around their neck. (Although Leicas are still the number one choice with the prestige set.) Serious photography doesn't require mega expensive equipment. It doesn't even require a 24 x 36 sensor. (All sensors are full frame. I get a full frame with every shot.) So you started out with good gear, know how to make the most of your equipment, and/or are a very good post-processor, and/or are ahead of your competition when it comes to the game. Many times depending on the scene/circumstances a larger sensor is not REQUIRED or holds little benefit given the end output. However you know this as much as myself, and that is rarely does anything beat a larger media size when recording images. The same could be said of all the film generation Hasselblads, 6x7's, and sheet film cameras. Only those with the means to purchase them did so. That doesn't mean they necessarily purchased them simply as a status symbol, though it certainly occurs then as well as now. I've yet to attach a neck strap to the D800E. I always hold it one-handed by it's manly grip. :) Regarding FF, as you say, every camera from the first made, to the Minox, to the 110, to the Kodak Disc cameras can make that claim. I'd argue that people don't purchase a high-end camera because of the results it delivers on a frame by frame basis anymore than I was willing to pay upwards of $10/roll for Velvia, thinking every shot would be better. They purchase them because of the potential they have. That potential is hard to, and rarely recognized by the casual observer, at small output sizes, or quantifiable when not comparing subject to subject, shot to shot. Nevertheless the potential to deliver higher quality (whatever the criteria is) images exists. And while not having my Pentax gear (don't have it) alongside my Nikon gear, I can easily see differences between a 36MP image and a 14MP image, and I can see qualities to some images that amaze me... also using some top lenses like the 70-200/2.8...Internal focusing (zoom does not extend), whisper quiet, instantaneous, almost imperceptible time to focus. Tom C -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I wonder WHY Ricoh purchased Pentax. The cachet of the Pentax brand? It was already pretty tarnished in the overall marketplace in 2011 when the deal took place... The huge market share of loyal Pentax users... like us? If so, they did little hold onto that base... To provide a brand and platform for kick ass new cameras... All we've gotten so far are incremental improvements in the 2010 Pentax line up, while the competition kicks out innovative products Maybe Pentax has some patents that Ricoh wanted, or perhaps they sought secret journals of Takuma Kajiware... From the outside it looked like Ricoh bought Pentax and neither invested in it or scrapped it. It's like buying a house and neither moving in nor flipping it, but just letting it sit empty. I think that the name change must signify something simply because Corporations don't overcome inertia and do something, though it could be a petty or trial reason. If the name change means that Ricoh gave the old Pentax management two years to get their act together and time's up and Ricoh is coming in and starting to move things... that would be good news. Somehow I am not getting my hopes up. Mark On 7/2/2013 5:59 PM, Tom C wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: OMG! They changed the name of the parent company. They didn't slaughter innocents. Hi Paul, My crystal ball is broken.:) However, I have to feel the question is WHY? You've worked in very large corporations. CEO's, Boards, strategists generally just don't sit around and make these decisions willy-nilly (well OK, sometimes yes). When Ricoh acquired PENTAX and the name changed to include PENTAX, it was generally viewed as a good thing. It could be interpreted, that if nothing else, Ricoh viewed PENTAX as a partner of sorts, and everyone thought 'Hurrah for PENTAX! So when the name changes to remove PENTAX, it raises, at the least, questions as to why. If one thinks conversely to the above it means 1) maybe the opposite, 2) maybe Ricoh feels the PENTAX part of the name does not enhance the Ricoh image, 3) maybe the folks at Ricoh are arrogant bastards and want their old name back, 4) maybe nothing at all, or 5) something completely different (a Monthy Python camera perhaps)... couldn't resist. Since cause and effect is a universal rule, option 4 is unlikely. Only time will tell. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 06:26:43PM +0100, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 2/7/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed: How's that for a provocative subject line? :-) No more Pentax, now just Ricoh in the company name: http://www.pentaximaging.com/about/press/309 So what's in a name then ? My first ever photography class at junior high school in 1972 was taken by a teacher with a Pentax hanging from his neck and ever since then I aspired to that. It was like a brick of gold. IIRC, while Pentax was (and remains) the brand name, the company name back in those days was Asahi Optical Co. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul via phone On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Paul wrote: The photo editors at The New York Times, Harris Publications and a number of other concerns I shoot for tell me I get at least as much BANG as any of their shooters. In fact one recently asked me how I achieve so much definition. i blamed it on the DA* 60- 250. A few (not many) of the shooters I compete with have kits like?well, like yours. And they frequently complain that their profit margin is too small. But more and more I see the expensive gear mainly in the hands of the really big buck ad agency shooters and the doctors and lawyers, who like to have expensive stuff hanging around their neck. (Although Leicas are still the number one choice with the prestige set.) Serious photography doesn't require mega expensive equipment. It doesn't even require a 24 x 36 sensor. (All sensors are full frame. I get a full frame with every shot.) So you started out with good gear, know how to make the most of your equipment, and/or are a very good post-processor, and/or are ahead of your competition when it comes to the game. Many times depending on the scene/circumstances a larger sensor is not REQUIRED or holds little benefit given the end output. However you know this as much as myself, and that is rarely does anything beat a larger media size when recording images. The same could be said of all the film generation Hasselblads, 6x7's, and sheet film cameras. Only those with the means to purchase them did so. That doesn't mean they necessarily purchased them simply as a status symbol, though it certainly occurs then as well as now. I've yet to attach a neck strap to the D800E. I always hold it one-handed by it's manly grip. :) Regarding FF, as you say, every camera from the first made, to the Minox, to the 110, to the Kodak Disc cameras can make that claim. I'd argue that people don't purchase a high-end camera because of the results it delivers on a frame by frame basis anymore than I was willing to pay upwards of $10/roll for Velvia, thinking every shot would be better. They purchase them because of the potential they have. That potential is hard to, and rarely recognized by the casual observer, at small output sizes, or quantifiable when not comparing subject to subject, shot to shot. Nevertheless the potential to deliver higher quality (whatever the criteria is) images exists. And while not having my Pentax gear (don't have it) alongside my Nikon gear, I can easily see differences between a 36MP image and a 14MP image, and I can see qualities to some images that amaze me... also using some top lenses like the 70-200/2.8...Internal focusing (zoom does not extend), whisper quiet, instantaneous, almost imperceptible time to focus. It's important to note that you were shooting with a Pentax K-7, by my estimation the absolute worst of all the Pentax DSLRs I used, which would include all the top models. Even the istD was better in some ways. The K-5 was a huge upgrade. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 02/07/2013 6:17 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Paul via phone On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: Paul wrote: The photo editors at The New York Times, Harris Publications and a number of other concerns I shoot for tell me I get at least as much BANG as any of their shooters. In fact one recently asked me how I achieve so much definition. i blamed it on the DA* 60- 250. A few (not many) of the shooters I compete with have kits like?well, like yours. And they frequently complain that their profit margin is too small. But more and more I see the expensive gear mainly in the hands of the really big buck ad agency shooters and the doctors and lawyers, who like to have expensive stuff hanging around their neck. (Although Leicas are still the number one choice with the prestige set.) Serious photography doesn't require mega expensive equipment. It doesn't even require a 24 x 36 sensor. (All sensors are full frame. I get a full frame with every shot.) So you started out with good gear, know how to make the most of your equipment, and/or are a very good post-processor, and/or are ahead of your competition when it comes to the game. Many times depending on the scene/circumstances a larger sensor is not REQUIRED or holds little benefit given the end output. However you know this as much as myself, and that is rarely does anything beat a larger media size when recording images. The same could be said of all the film generation Hasselblads, 6x7's, and sheet film cameras. Only those with the means to purchase them did so. That doesn't mean they necessarily purchased them simply as a status symbol, though it certainly occurs then as well as now. I've yet to attach a neck strap to the D800E. I always hold it one-handed by it's manly grip. :) Regarding FF, as you say, every camera from the first made, to the Minox, to the 110, to the Kodak Disc cameras can make that claim. I'd argue that people don't purchase a high-end camera because of the results it delivers on a frame by frame basis anymore than I was willing to pay upwards of $10/roll for Velvia, thinking every shot would be better. They purchase them because of the potential they have. That potential is hard to, and rarely recognized by the casual observer, at small output sizes, or quantifiable when not comparing subject to subject, shot to shot. Nevertheless the potential to deliver higher quality (whatever the criteria is) images exists. And while not having my Pentax gear (don't have it) alongside my Nikon gear, I can easily see differences between a 36MP image and a 14MP image, and I can see qualities to some images that amaze me... also using some top lenses like the 70-200/2.8...Internal focusing (zoom does not extend), whisper quiet, instantaneous, almost imperceptible time to focus. It's important to note that you were shooting with a Pentax K-7, by my estimation the absolute worst of all the Pentax DSLRs I used, which would include all the top models. Even the istD was better in some ways. The K-5 was a huge upgrade. The K7 itself has some pretty nice things going on. The sensor at base ISO worked really well for me in the studio. I really like the colour off that camera. It doesn't do high ISO though. It's AF selector problem was fixed on the first firmware upgrade. Pentax broke it again on the K5, and never fixed it to the best of my knowledge. I recall my K7 focusing better under studio lights. My k5 is what is referred to as a fail when using conventional AF in the studio. It actually works pretty good with off the sensor focusing and face detection. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's important to note that you were shooting with a Pentax K-7, by my estimation the absolute worst of all the Pentax DSLRs I used, which would include all the top models. Even the istD was better in some ways. The K-5 was a huge upgrade. Worst how? 2X+ the resolution of the *istD, better dynamic range, DNG, larger buffer,... I can't think of a thing that was better on the *istD, In any case I fly through DTW weekly. Care to meet near the airport for lunch on a Friday? :) T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The noise level is atrocious even at iso 400. The istD was better in that regard. My k7's autofocus is nowhere near as good as the k5's, street or studio. And yes, I'd be happy to meet for lunch. I have a shoot this Friday, but I'm usually flexible. Paul via phone On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: It's important to note that you were shooting with a Pentax K-7, by my estimation the absolute worst of all the Pentax DSLRs I used, which would include all the top models. Even the istD was better in some ways. The K-5 was a huge upgrade. Worst how? 2X+ the resolution of the *istD, better dynamic range, DNG, larger buffer,... I can't think of a thing that was better on the *istD, In any case I fly through DTW weekly. Care to meet near the airport for lunch on a Friday? :) T -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ricoh bought Pentax for their technology. engineering and manufacturing. That doesn't always show up in products. Kodak had patents that never saw the light of day as products, some of which seemed to be quite intersting. I expect that Pentax has a treasure trove of lens related designs and research that Ricoh really wanted. Their factories produce pretty good products, QC could be better, but then you should read the Canon forums if you want to see real wining. I think that Pentax was aiming to be the force in APS-C cameras, and that's still the direction Ricoh is going in. They've promised a FF camera Real Soon Now!(tm). Maybe it will happen, after all no one with any realistic expectations, expected to actually see a 645D, until they did. On 7/2/2013 7:13 PM, Mark C wrote: I wonder WHY Ricoh purchased Pentax. The cachet of the Pentax brand? It was already pretty tarnished in the overall marketplace in 2011 when the deal took place... The huge market share of loyal Pentax users... like us? If so, they did little hold onto that base... To provide a brand and platform for kick ass new cameras... All we've gotten so far are incremental improvements in the 2010 Pentax line up, while the competition kicks out innovative products Maybe Pentax has some patents that Ricoh wanted, or perhaps they sought secret journals of Takuma Kajiware... From the outside it looked like Ricoh bought Pentax and neither invested in it or scrapped it. It's like buying a house and neither moving in nor flipping it, but just letting it sit empty. I think that the name change must signify something simply because Corporations don't overcome inertia and do something, though it could be a petty or trial reason. If the name change means that Ricoh gave the old Pentax management two years to get their act together and time's up and Ricoh is coming in and starting to move things... that would be good news. Somehow I am not getting my hopes up. Mark On 7/2/2013 5:59 PM, Tom C wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: OMG! They changed the name of the parent company. They didn't slaughter innocents. Hi Paul, My crystal ball is broken.:) However, I have to feel the question is WHY? You've worked in very large corporations. CEO's, Boards, strategists generally just don't sit around and make these decisions willy-nilly (well OK, sometimes yes). When Ricoh acquired PENTAX and the name changed to include PENTAX, it was generally viewed as a good thing. It could be interpreted, that if nothing else, Ricoh viewed PENTAX as a partner of sorts, and everyone thought 'Hurrah for PENTAX! So when the name changes to remove PENTAX, it raises, at the least, questions as to why. If one thinks conversely to the above it means 1) maybe the opposite, 2) maybe Ricoh feels the PENTAX part of the name does not enhance the Ricoh image, 3) maybe the folks at Ricoh are arrogant bastards and want their old name back, 4) maybe nothing at all, or 5) something completely different (a Monthy Python camera perhaps)... couldn't resist. Since cause and effect is a universal rule, option 4 is unlikely. Only time will tell. Tom C. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
