Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread Cotty
On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

I'm a 
fan of photo vests as well. They look a little geeky, but they work well if 
you just want to carry a couple of lenses and some small bric-brac.

Good point. Oddly enough I wear mine for work (I have several in
storage, break a new one out every year as that's all they last) but not
for leisure stills shooting. Must be because I like a change from work.
They are well worth considering. I only buy Domke as they have mesh
shoulders which lets heat out - essential in warmer weather.

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RE: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread Bob W
The backpack style are not convenient to work out of. Conversely, the
over-the-shoulder style are not convenient for carrying. I have 3 bags
which I used most often: Domke F2, LowePro Street  Field Reporter
300, and LowePro SF Rover AW backpack.

The F2 is good for when I need to carry 2-3 SLRs around. I've used
this a lot when abroad and it works very well - it's my favourite bag.
I used to have a backpack harness for it, which made it convenient if
I had to carry the thing for any great distance, but that was stolen.

I use the Reporter 300 when I'm carrying 2 Leicas around, and can work
out of it quite well. It also attaches quite nicely to the handlebar
of my bicycle as a bar bag, so I use it for short rides. 

The backpack is useful if I'm going for a long walk, or travelling. I
used it when I travelled around South India, but I found it rather
inconvenient to work from, so I stopped doing that.

The problem with bags is that you fill them up, and they weigh a ton.
So I prefer not to use any of them if I can avoid it, and would rather
carry the cameras over my shoulders and keep the necessary bits and
pieces in a pocket or belt bag. This forces me to minimise everything
and keep the weight down. I now prefer to work with 2 bodies and 2
lenses, so I don't have to change lenses. I keep film or other similar
stuff in the map pocket of my shorts or trousers, and a light meter in
my shirt pocket. Usually there's no need to carry anything else
around.

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 Subject: Bag for GFM Outing
 
 I'm a fan of photo vests as well. They look a little geeky, 
 but they work 
 well if you just want to carry a couple of lenses and some 
 small bric-brac.
 
 Thanks Bill. Now there is an option I never even considered. 
 I will check to 
 see if the camera store carries them as I don't remember 
 seeing any there.
 What about the backpac style bags. Are they useful to work 
 out of or 
 would they be a pain to access routinely?
 I guess I just need to take my gear down to the store and 
 start stugging 
 bags to see what fits and what doesn't.
 
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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread SJ
On 1/4/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 The backpack is useful if I'm going for a long walk, or travelling. I
 used it when I travelled around South India, but I found it rather
 inconvenient to work from, so I stopped doing that.

bob,

just curious, where exactly in south india? i will be travelling next
week (driving actually, with family) from chennai (madras) to kerala
(kochi, kottayam) for about 10 days.

oh yes, i find the lowepro micro trekker 100 very convenient for the
DS with the kit and about four other lenses, the k50/1.2, a50/1.4,
f100-300 and the m28/2.8. (i am succeeding in staying on topic :))

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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread Jostein Øksne
My preference is always for backpacks over shoulder bags. I have made
3 purchases over the years, and the most important factor for me has
been to have enough volume to cover present needs, but not more.

I recall when buying a pack for my 645 gear, I looked at various
models online, and tried to line up my gear on a table to fit into
various models.


Jostein

On 1/3/07, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm in the market for a new camera bag to use when I attend the GFM event.
 The local camera store actually has a lot of bags, but I am somewhat
 bewildered by all the choices.
 I'm looking to carry an extra body and three DA lenses. Other small stuff
 naturally, but that really would suffice.
 What are your preferences and what do you look for in a bag.

 Walt


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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread David Savage
For carrying lots of gear a backpack my be the better option, but when
just walking around town, I don't like having to take the bag off to
get at my gear.

For this reason I like my Crumpler 6 Million Dollar Home. It's a
shoulder bag (that doesn't look like a camera bag BTW), I wear with
the strap running across my chest, with the bag sitting on my right
hip, or slid around onto my lower back.

At the moment it's carrying, K10D -w- grip + 77Ltd., DA 16-45, FA 50
f1.4, DA 10-17 FE, F 1.7x AF Adapter, AF 540 FGZ flash  other small
items (cable release, hot shoe level, batteries etc.)

Cheers,

Dave

On 1/4/07, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm in the market for a new camera bag to use when I attend the GFM event.
 The local camera store actually has a lot of bags, but I am somewhat
 bewildered by all the choices.
 I'm looking to carry an extra body and three DA lenses. Other small stuff
 naturally, but that really would suffice.
 What are your preferences and what do you look for in a bag.

 Walt

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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread Peter Loveday
Has anyone tried any of the 'sling' bags?  Say the Lowepro Slingshot 200 AW 
?

- Peter

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 My preference is always for backpacks over shoulder bags. I have made
 3 purchases over the years, and the most important factor for me has
 been to have enough volume to cover present needs, but not more.

 I recall when buying a pack for my 645 gear, I looked at various
 models online, and tried to line up my gear on a table to fit into
 various models.


 Jostein

 On 1/3/07, Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm in the market for a new camera bag to use when I attend the GFM 
 event.
 The local camera store actually has a lot of bags, but I am somewhat
 bewildered by all the choices.
 I'm looking to carry an extra body and three DA lenses. Other small stuff
 naturally, but that really would suffice.
 What are your preferences and what do you look for in a bag.

 Walt


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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread Scott Loveless
Walt,

I have a Tamrac Velocity 5, which was recommended by several list
members.  It only has room for one body if you're going to be carry
extra lenses.  If you're carrying a second body you would have to
remove the body in the bag to get to your lenses.  The plus side is
that in addition to the shoulder straps it also has a built in waist
band.  Plus, the flap can be opened toward you or to the side, which
is quite nice.  But based on carrying two bodies I don't think I would
recommend it.

I'd like to offer another recommendation for the Domke F2.  Mine's an
old beater, but it's holding together nicely.  There is room for two
bodies with small lenses attached plus four center compartments for
more lenses and a flash.  It has two front compartments, two end
compartments, a rear  compartment, and some space inside the top flap.
 You can access all of your gear from the top without having to remove
anything.  I have noticed two drawbacks.  If your bodies have long
lenses or zooms attached it can be hard to remove them.  A possible
solution would be to move the center dividers to one end and only
carry one body in the bag.  The bag is not rigid, so it will take on a
banana shape when carried with the shoulder strap.  It's much easier
to get to your gear if you can support the bag from beneath.  Kneeling
down and putting the bag on your knee will do the trick.  Get the
backpack staps for those long walks.

HTH.

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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread Jan van Wijk
Hi peter,

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:53:21 +1030, Peter Loveday wrote:

Has anyone tried any of the 'sling' bags?  Say the Lowepro Slingshot 200 AW 

Yes, I have used the 200 AW for my *istD kit.

It has enough room for the body with medium size lens (15-45) attached,
plus 3 or 4 other lenses. On top of that I could just get the FA* 400mm into
the top compartment.

I do like it for shorter walks, but for longer hikes carrying
it just with that one shoulder strap is a problem.
The weight is simply not evenly devided ...

I am using a similar size but regular backpack again now ...

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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I have a modest size Beseler sling bag, tried a Domke and a Tamrac as  
well. I've looked at the Lowerpro 200 AW.
For some uses they are convenient, but for most I find them rather  
awkward to work with.

i have a Lowepro CompuTrekker AW, which is a great bag when i want to  
carry a ton of gear and the computer, get through airports, etc, and  
have another rollaway already to deal with. I find it a major pain in  
the butt to use for actually working out of ... probably better if  
you tend to hike out into the wilderness a long ways and then do some  
photography, but I don't do that kind of thing very often if at all.

Another bag I have for travel is a Pelican 1514 case. That's my  
preference for when I'm carrying a lot of gear and only a little  
travel clothing as it is a hard rollaway that fits nicely in overhead  
luggage carry on. It is a perfect storage case for the Pentax 645 kit  
that is on loan to me (camera, four lenses, two film inserts and a  
few spare rolls of film just about fills it...).

But I never use any of these big cases for actual shooting. They're  
more useful for storage/stowage while traveling. A good, compact  
shoulder/hip bag is much more useful for shooting, for me.

Godfrey

On Jan 4, 2007, at 6:23 AM, Peter Loveday wrote:

 Has anyone tried any of the 'sling' bags?  Say the Lowepro  
 Slingshot 200 AW
 ?


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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread Mark Roberts
 Peter Loveday wrote:

 Has anyone tried any of the 'sling' bags?  Say the Lowepro  
 Slingshot 200 AW?

I have the Tamrac Velocity 7, which I think is the kind of bag to which 
you refer. I really like it for hiking and bicycling.


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RE: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread Bob W
Hi,

I landed in Mumbai, then took a train to Puri. From Puri down to
Chennai, then across to Mysore and back up to Mumbai.

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 On 1/4/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 [...]
  The backpack is useful if I'm going for a long walk, or 
 travelling. I
  used it when I travelled around South India, but I found it rather
  inconvenient to work from, so I stopped doing that.
 
 bob,
 
 just curious, where exactly in south india? i will be travelling
next
 week (driving actually, with family) from chennai (madras) to kerala
 (kochi, kottayam) for about 10 days.
 
 oh yes, i find the lowepro micro trekker 100 very convenient for the
 DS with the kit and about four other lenses, the k50/1.2, a50/1.4,
 f100-300 and the m28/2.8. (i am succeeding in staying on topic :))
 
 regards, subash
 
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RE: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread Bob W
 Another bag I have for travel is a Pelican 1514 case. That's my  
 preference for when I'm carrying a lot of gear and only a little  
 travel clothing as it is a hard rollaway that fits nicely in 
 overhead  
 luggage carry on. It is a perfect storage case for the Pentax 
 645 kit  
 that is on loan to me (camera, four lenses, two film inserts and a  
 few spare rolls of film just about fills it...).

I have a Pelican 1550 which I use to put the hardware (not film) in
checked luggage. I always make sure I have a minimal kit in my
carry-on, just in case the Pelican flies elsewhere. I use 2 4-barrel
combination locks for it, so it makes a good safe when I'm in
disreputable hotels.

 
 But I never use any of these big cases for actual shooting. They're

 more useful for storage/stowage while traveling. A good, compact  
 shoulder/hip bag is much more useful for shooting, for me.

I used to keep me camera equipment in a 1550 at home as well, but when
I was burgled a few years ago it was obviously very convenient for the
burglar just to close the case and walk out with all my gear. Now I
have an enormous safe anchored to the floor.

Bob


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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread ann sanfedele
I don't know, Dave , I think Frank might enjoy being referred to as stuff.

ann

David Savage wrote:

On 1/4/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

(meaning, i bring, way to much stuff.)



It's not nice to refer to Frank as stuff

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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread graywolf
You guys have way too much money. The proper bag is the smallest one 
that will hold what you have to have with you, and costs less than $20, 
used.

I guess my favorite bag of all time was a nylon copy of a Domke F2 (I 
had it long before Domke started making nylon bags) that I think I paid 
$29.95 for new. The only problem I had with it was if I filled it up it 
was too heavy. Humm..? That bag broke all three of my rules, didn't it.

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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-04 Thread Doug Franklin
Scott Loveless wrote:

 I'd like to offer another recommendation for the Domke F2.  [...]
 You can access all of your gear from the top without having to remove
 anything.

That's why I love my F2 ... I just flap the top flap completely open
and down the back of the bag ... that plus it's taken a royal beating in
its life and only looks lived in ... after about eight years of hard
use, it shows no sign of wearing out within my lifetime (I'm 43).

 I have noticed two drawbacks.  If your bodies have long
 lenses or zooms attached it can be hard to remove them.

I just put them nose down into the vertical lens compartments.

 It's much easier to get to your gear if you can support the bag
 from beneath.  Kneeling down and putting the bag on your knee will
 do the trick.

Hmmm.  I never found a need to do anything like that.  Typically, the
camera is around my neck on a strap.  Lenses are nose down in the
vertical lens compartments with hood on and front cap off, rear caps
stay on.  I just reach in the bag and grab what I want.

 Get the backpack staps for those long walks.

I didn't know they existed, but may have to get a set for those times I
don't have the golf cart at the track with me.

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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/1/07, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:

What are your preferences and what do you look for in a bag.

LowePro. Money.


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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread Cotty
On 3/1/07, Walter Hamler, discombobulated, unleashed:

What are your preferences and what do you look for in a bag.


Seriously now. I have several LowePros and they are 1st class quality.
Different bags for different requirements. I think Godders has a couple
of dozen gear bags. I only have a lowly half a dozen. You'll get more
views in this thread than all the others put together!

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RE: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread Bob W
It all depends on how you work, and what you plan to do. Once you get
sucked into the vortex of camera bag buying you will never escape. I
have at least half a dozen. It's a curse.

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 Subject: Bag for GFM Outing
 
 I'm in the market for a new camera bag to use when I attend 
 the GFM event. 
 The local camera store actually has a lot of bags, but I am somewhat

 bewildered by all the choices.
 I'm looking to carry an extra body and three DA lenses. Other 
 small stuff 
 naturally, but that really would suffice.
 What are your preferences and what do you look for in a bag.
 
 Walt 
 
 
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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Jan 3, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Cotty wrote:

 What are your preferences and what do you look for in a bag.

 Seriously now. I have several LowePros and they are 1st class quality.
 Different bags for different requirements. I think Godders has a  
 couple
 of dozen gear bags.

Too many, but not quite a couple dozen. What I tend to use most when  
traveling is a Tamrac Superlight 5 ... great for camera with one lens  
mounted and two-three modest sized primes, plus the usual cards/ 
batteries, etc.

I bought a Kata Focus Q bag recently ... handles K10D with grip and  
lens fitted, up to four additional lenses nicely, kind of a boxy  
shoulder bag but not very bulky.

There are many many good bags.

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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread William Robb

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From: Walter Hamler Subject: Bag for GFM Outing


 I'm in the market for a new camera bag to use when I attend the GFM event.
 The local camera store actually has a lot of bags, but I am somewhat
 bewildered by all the choices.
 I'm looking to carry an extra body and three DA lenses. Other small stuff
 naturally, but that really would suffice.
 What are your preferences and what do you look for in a bag.

Gads. The problem with camera bags is that they either don't hold enough 
equipment, or they hold enough  that you can't carry the darned thing.
I have a few Lowe-Pro Trekkers of various sizes that I use to carry bulk 
equipemnt, and then a smaller Lowepro that I actually take with me. I'm a 
fan of photo vests as well. They look a little geeky, but they work well if 
you just want to carry a couple of lenses and some small bric-brac.

William Robb


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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread William Robb

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 I'm a fan of photo vests as well. They look a little geeky, but they work
 well if you just want to carry a couple of lenses and some small 
 bric-brac.

 Thanks Bill. Now there is an option I never even considered. I will check 
 to
 see if the camera store carries them as I don't remember seeing any there.
 What about the backpac style bags. Are they useful to work out of or
 would they be a pain to access routinely?
 I guess I just need to take my gear down to the store and start stugging
 bags to see what fits and what doesn't.

If you are hiking to a destination then they are good, simply because of the 
carrying capacity, but they aren't much fun to work out of.
If I am hauling the 6x7 or view camera, I love backpacks becuase of the 
weight of equipment involved, but I think if you are carrying that much 
small format equipment, you need to look hard at what you are taking with 
you. An exception for me is if I am humping the 400 or 600 for any distance, 
then I like my backpack.

William Robb 


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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting Walter Hamler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I'm in the market for a new camera bag to use when I attend the GFM event.
 The local camera store actually has a lot of bags, but I am somewhat
 bewildered by all the choices.
 I'm looking to carry an extra body and three DA lenses. Other small stuff
 naturally, but that really would suffice.
 What are your preferences and what do you look for in a bag.

 Walt

I bring my Lowepro Photo Trekker, my Lowepro Mini Treker and the beter  
part of my back seat of my xtended cab.:-)
(meaning, i bring, way to much stuff.)
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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread Doug Franklin
David J Brooks wrote:

 I bring my Lowepro Photo Trekker, my Lowepro Mini Treker and the beter  
 part of my back seat of my xtended cab.:-)

My Domke F2 goes wherever my cameras go. ;-)

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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 07:12:03PM -0500, Walter Hamler wrote:
 I'm a fan of photo vests as well. They look a little geeky, but they work 
 well if you just want to carry a couple of lenses and some small bric-brac.
 
 Thanks Bill. Now there is an option I never even considered. I will check to 
 see if the camera store carries them as I don't remember seeing any there.

From experience, it's quite easy to load up a photo vest with far more
gear than you want to carry around.  I've had my FA 80-200/2.8, a couple
of other lenses in the 50 - 100 range, a flash, a dozen AA batteries,
a radio/scanner, two or three bottles of water, etc., etc.  That's in
addition to whatever camera and lens I was using at the time.  And unlike
a camera bag it's not that easy to rest some of that weight on the ground;
you're pretty much stuck with it for the duration.

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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread Stan Halpin
A photo vest that holds a FA 80-200/2.8!?! Wow! I carry mine in a 
separate pouch/bag with its own strap.
Even so, I find the vest uncomfortable for anything over a couple  of 
hours even with just two-three relatively small lenses in the pockets.

My three main bags, in order of how long I've had them:

1. LowePro something-or-other AW.  OrionAW?. This is the one with a day 
pack on the top, a camera bag on the bottom.
a. Good news. The top  bottom separate, you can use the bottom 
portion as a shoulder bag or waist bag. Top quality, great capacity on 
the bottom portion, and the long lenses and water bottles and spare 
batteries and lunch and a rain jacket and a bottle of whiskey from Duty 
Free can go in the top.
b. Bad news. Somewhat heavy even when empty. The waist-bag 
configuration is comfortable only if you have minimal gear. The design 
is not the problem (I've used LowePro products for 30 years, starting 
with their huge expedition backpack for long-distance hiking, and I am 
convinced that their designs are second to none.) Problem is that a 
waist-belt is inherently not a good way to carry a lot of heavy stuff. 
I tend to supplement the waist belt with the shoulder strap, slip the 
strap off when needing access to the bag.
c. Bad news. If you use it in full-pack configuration, then like with 
any backpack, you can't reach your gear. So changing lenses can be a 
hassle, exacerbated if you are in a place where the only level ground 
is muddy, wet, occupied by a snake, whatever. You can unclip the 
bottom, slide it around to the front, change lenses, slide the bottom 
back around and reclip it to the top half. Not recommended as a way of 
frequently changing lenses.
d. Bad news. Lots of straps to hold everything together and to allow 
for the various usage options. One half to two-thirds are superfluous 
for any given configuration; they add weight, they get in the way, and 
are generally a nuisance. Except when you need them.
e. Bottom line - I love/hate this bag. Used it for 5 years all around 
the world with no signs of wear or damage. Very functional and 
versital, at the price of complications, fussiness, and weight.

2. LowePro something-or-other waist belt bag. Sideline shooter? Orion 
Mini? Bought this a few months ago for urban expeditions when I don't 
want to carry very much. Probably would fit your needs.
a. Good news. Hold a K10D w/ 16-45 or 77, plus two or three other 
lenses.
b. Good news. Light, less bulky, and therefore more comfortable than 
the above.
c. Bad news. Less capacity for the gear and no attached daypack for 
large lenses and misc other stuff.
d. Bottom line - Has served me well the last few months wandering 
around DC in my spare time.

3. LowePro CompuDaypack, Photo gear on the bottom, non-detachable day 
pack on top. Just recently acquired, not given a thorough workout yet.
a. Good news. Significantly, noticeably, lighter than the OrionAW. 
Fewer straps flapping about.
b. Good news. Accommodates my 15 Powerbook in a separate well padded 
pocket.
c. Bad news. Smaller capacity top and bottom than the OrionAW. 
(Essentially the same as my Orion Mini waist belt bag.) I may or may 
not be able to accommodate the bottle from the Duty Free. Maybe if I 
buy two half-bottles?
d. Bad news. Like any backpack, if you want to change lenses or access 
gear, you need to take it off, open it up, dig through the gear...
e. Bottom line. This is probably what I will travel with, with 
particular emphasis on its ability to carry my laptop which relieves me 
of the need to carry a briefcase on the plane.

Stan

On Jan 3, 2007, at 7:35 PM, John Francis wrote:
 From experience, it's quite easy to load up a photo vest with far more
 gear than you want to carry around.  I've had my FA 80-200/2.8, a 
 couple
 of other lenses in the 50 - 100 range, a flash, a dozen AA batteries,
 a radio/scanner, two or three bottles of water, etc., etc.  That's in
 addition to whatever camera and lens I was using at the time.  And 
 unlike
 a camera bag it's not that easy to rest some of that weight on the 
 ground;
 you're pretty much stuck with it for the duration.



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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Just came to mind:

Another bag that I know works really well is the Domke F3x. Holds a  
lot, both short and long lenses and the K10D with battery grip. It  
used to be my standard bag for the Nikon F3/T+MD-4 setup. Camera with  
one lens fitted, 14,  21, 20-35, 35, 50,  77, 135, 2x telexender all  
fit plus space for tons of additional stuff, and it remains pretty  
small and comfortable to wear. (Heavy with all that stuff in it, of  
course...)

Godfrey


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Re: Bag for GFM Outing

2007-01-03 Thread David Savage
On 1/4/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 (meaning, i bring, way to much stuff.)

It's not nice to refer to Frank as stuff

Dave ;-)

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