Re: Crap and Corruption follow up
my digital storage is not up to par. I have them scatered all over Dave On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:39 PM, Bill wrote: > It looks like I didn't lose anything. My haphazard method of storing > multiple copies of files seems to have worked for me. > It took most of the weekend to make Lightroom happy again by creating > directories and moving files into them so that it could find them. > One of the things I discovered was that sometimes I have stored the same > file in 6 different locations across 3 hard drives or groups of drives (I > hesitate to use the word RAID with Drobo). Even by my standards that is a > bit much. > > So, as well as restoring files, I am giving my system a much needed clean > up. > > Have fun > > bill > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
It also doesn’t help when the Gods decide that your house is overdue for a lightning bolt, and everything inside gets toasted. Hence the way off site storage. Rick > On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:14 PM, Bill wrote: > > On 7/7/2018 3:14 PM, Rick Womer wrote: The cloud can be a helpful supplemental backup.<< >> Indeed. My cyber-meltdown in January left me feeling cyber-mortal; the >> drive containing my photos got toasted, as did one of my two >> TimeMachine backup drives. Now I have two TimeMachine backups plus >> Backblaze. > > I'm going to mirror everything back to my old Drobo after I have this fixed. > I don't think I lost anything. I must have moved things around in the new > Drobo after importing from the old one as the directory structures don't > quite match. > Saving up now for another Drobo. The 5D that I have uses 5 discs and has > double disc redundancy, but that doesn't help when the Gods decide to play > whack-a-mole with directories. I want a second machine. > > bill > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
On 7/7/2018 3:14 PM, Rick Womer wrote: The cloud can be a helpful supplemental backup.<< Indeed. My cyber-meltdown in January left me feeling cyber-mortal; the drive containing my photos got toasted, as did one of my two TimeMachine backup drives. Now I have two TimeMachine backups plus Backblaze. I'm going to mirror everything back to my old Drobo after I have this fixed. I don't think I lost anything. I must have moved things around in the new Drobo after importing from the old one as the directory structures don't quite match. Saving up now for another Drobo. The 5D that I have uses 5 discs and has double disc redundancy, but that doesn't help when the Gods decide to play whack-a-mole with directories. I want a second machine. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
>>The cloud can be a helpful supplemental backup.<< Indeed. My cyber-meltdown in January left me feeling cyber-mortal; the drive containing my photos got toasted, as did one of my two TimeMachine backup drives. Now I have two TimeMachine backups plus Backblaze. Rick On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > Steve Cottrell wrote on 7/6/18 2:18 AM: >> >> On 6/7/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >> >>> Damn. Hope you can fix that. Another reason why I will never use >>> Lightroom. It's photoshop and old fashioned file keeping and backup for >>> this old fashioned guy. >> >> >> I have to say that I agree. >> >> I have always organised all my images and video in simple Mac file >> hierarchy. Takes a few minutes to organise them and whatnot but I have an >> inherent distrust in proprietary systems. Of course, one could argue that >> the computer system is proprietary but files within folders and folders is >> about as simple as it gets? And all backed up of course. >> > > I use lightroom, but have my files stored in a logical directory system that > makes them easy to find without lightroom, and will make it easy to switch > to another editor. > >> I certainly don't trust the cloud. Ever since the debacle back in 2007 >> when Apple brought out the first iPhone. If you recall, there was an issue >> with Apple's iCloud (not called that back then, I forget what) whereby lots >> of users' contacts suddenly went missing of their phones for a few hours! >> Not pleasant when you're a business user with hundreds of contacts nd you >> suddenly need to call one of them... > > > The cloud can be a helpful supplemental backup. > >> >> Ever since then I have always backed up my phones and tablets locally to >> the computer, never through the cloud. Sure, the chances are slim it would >> ever happen again but that one occasion lost my trust. >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
Steve Cottrell wrote on 7/6/18 2:18 AM: On 6/7/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Damn. Hope you can fix that. Another reason why I will never use Lightroom. It's photoshop and old fashioned file keeping and backup for this old fashioned guy. I have to say that I agree. I have always organised all my images and video in simple Mac file hierarchy. Takes a few minutes to organise them and whatnot but I have an inherent distrust in proprietary systems. Of course, one could argue that the computer system is proprietary but files within folders and folders is about as simple as it gets? And all backed up of course. I use lightroom, but have my files stored in a logical directory system that makes them easy to find without lightroom, and will make it easy to switch to another editor. I certainly don't trust the cloud. Ever since the debacle back in 2007 when Apple brought out the first iPhone. If you recall, there was an issue with Apple's iCloud (not called that back then, I forget what) whereby lots of users' contacts suddenly went missing of their phones for a few hours! Not pleasant when you're a business user with hundreds of contacts nd you suddenly need to call one of them... The cloud can be a helpful supplemental backup. Ever since then I have always backed up my phones and tablets locally to the computer, never through the cloud. Sure, the chances are slim it would ever happen again but that one occasion lost my trust. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
On 7/6/2018 10:24 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: I would speculate that it has happened because it was one of the most frequently used directories on the disk. With that, when the glitch happened, something was writing to the directory, and hence the directory was corrupted. It's possible I shut my computer off during a write, and we have had several power cuts in the past few days. Damn. I assume all your image files were in subdirectories, and not in a single directory. Otherwise, I'd be guessing that Drobo might have some problem with a directory containing too many files. (32768=2^15, so, with 30k+ of files that you'd have in that, there could be some 16-bit-limit on the directory entries number) Yeah, everything is in sub directories. I'm betting I managed to do this to myself. Fortunately, my old Drobo fired right up, and it gives me everything until I retired it in late 2015, and I'm good from early 2016 on my working drive. I might have lost a few files between late 2015 and early 2016, but I don't recall having shot anything of great social or political importance during that time. The old Drobo is an origian USB, and I am copying nearly a terabyte of data from it to my newer machine. This looks like it will be going most of the weekend. Sorry to hear about your trouble and good luck with the restoring! Hope it will go smoothly. It seems to be going good so far. Slowly, but goodly. Thanks bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
I would speculate that it has happened because it was one of the most frequently used directories on the disk. With that, when the glitch happened, something was writing to the directory, and hence the directory was corrupted. I assume all your image files were in subdirectories, and not in a single directory. Otherwise, I'd be guessing that Drobo might have some problem with a directory containing too many files. (32768=2^15, so, with 30k+ of files that you'd have in that, there could be some 16-bit-limit on the directory entries number) Sorry to hear about your trouble and good luck with the restoring! Hope it will go smoothly. Igor Bill Fri, 06 Jul 2018 09:09:02 -0700 wrote: On 7/6/2018 6:41 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Damn. Hope you can fix that. Another reason why I will never use Lightroom. It’s photoshop and old fashioned file keeping and backup for this old fashioned guy. What Bill is describing is a Drobo problem, not a Lightroom problem. Yup, and why it happened to that one directory and not the others on the device is probably forever going to remain one of life's little mysteries. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
On 7/6/2018 6:41 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Paul Stenquist wrote: Damn. Hope you can fix that. Another reason why I will never use Lightroom. It’s photoshop and old fashioned file keeping and backup for this old fashioned guy. What Bill is describing is a Drobo problem, not a Lightroom problem. Yup, and why it happened to that one directory and not the others on the device is probably forever going to remain one of life's little mysteries. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
He always knew how to push Bill's buttons... On 7/6/2018 9:21 AM, David J Brooks wrote: That darn Brad Drobo Dave What Bill is describing is a Drobo problem, not a Lightroom problem. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
har! ann On 7/6/2018 9:21 AM, David J Brooks wrote: That darn Brad Drobo Dave What Bill is describing is a Drobo problem, not a Lightroom problem. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
That darn Brad Drobo Dave > > What Bill is describing is a Drobo problem, not a Lightroom problem. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
Paul Stenquist wrote: >Damn. Hope you can fix that. Another reason why I will never use Lightroom. >Its photoshop and old fashioned file keeping and backup for this old >fashioned guy. What Bill is describing is a Drobo problem, not a Lightroom problem. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
> On 06 July 2018 at 15:25 Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > Damn. Hope you can fix that. Another reason why I will never use Lightroom. > It’s photoshop and old fashioned file keeping and backup for this old > fashioned guy. Another old fashioned guy. Zoner Photo Studio does fine as my image manager - exporting to Photoshop for editing. Cheers Brian > > On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:52 PM, Bill wrote: > > > > I opened Lightroom to find a file, but when I tried to open said file in > > Photoshop, I discovered that the file did not exist outside of the Lightroom > > catalogue. > > Somehow, my Drobo managed to completely lose my entire image file directory. > > That's over 30k files dating from 2006 to last week that just went poof. > > It's the only directory that went walkabout, and it is well and truly gone, > > as a deleted file finder wasn't able to turn anything up. > > I am at a complete loss as to how something like this could happen. > > > > Fortunately, I have a secondary storage location, I'm pretty sure I haven't > > lost many images, but I would really like to know how (and why) this one > > directory decided to disappear. > > It looks like restoring things is going to take the better part of 24 hours. > > > > bill > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
On 6/7/18, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: >Damn. Hope you can fix that. Another reason why I will never use >Lightroom. It's photoshop and old fashioned file keeping and backup for >this old fashioned guy. I have to say that I agree. I have always organised all my images and video in simple Mac file hierarchy. Takes a few minutes to organise them and whatnot but I have an inherent distrust in proprietary systems. Of course, one could argue that the computer system is proprietary but files within folders and folders is about as simple as it gets? And all backed up of course. I certainly don't trust the cloud. Ever since the debacle back in 2007 when Apple brought out the first iPhone. If you recall, there was an issue with Apple's iCloud (not called that back then, I forget what) whereby lots of users' contacts suddenly went missing of their phones for a few hours! Not pleasant when you're a business user with hundreds of contacts nd you suddenly need to call one of them... Ever since then I have always backed up my phones and tablets locally to the computer, never through the cloud. Sure, the chances are slim it would ever happen again but that one occasion lost my trust. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Crap and corruption
Me too! Never lost a file with a two-stage backup in place, and the original files on optical media. John in Brisbane -Original Message- From: PDML On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist Sent: Friday, 6 July 2018 3:26 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Crap and corruption Damn. Hope you can fix that. Another reason why I will never use Lightroom. It’s photoshop and old fashioned file keeping and backup for this old fashioned guy. Paul > On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:52 PM, Bill wrote: > > I opened Lightroom to find a file, but when I tried to open said file in > Photoshop, I discovered that the file did not exist outside of the Lightroom > catalogue. > Somehow, my Drobo managed to completely lose my entire image file directory. > That's over 30k files dating from 2006 to last week that just went poof. It's > the only directory that went walkabout, and it is well and truly gone, as a > deleted file finder wasn't able to turn anything up. > I am at a complete loss as to how something like this could happen. > > Fortunately, I have a secondary storage location, I'm pretty sure I haven't > lost many images, but I would really like to know how (and why) this one > directory decided to disappear. > It looks like restoring things is going to take the better part of 24 hours. > > bill > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Crap and corruption
Damn. Hope you can fix that. Another reason why I will never use Lightroom. It’s photoshop and old fashioned file keeping and backup for this old fashioned guy. Paul > On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:52 PM, Bill wrote: > > I opened Lightroom to find a file, but when I tried to open said file in > Photoshop, I discovered that the file did not exist outside of the Lightroom > catalogue. > Somehow, my Drobo managed to completely lose my entire image file directory. > That's over 30k files dating from 2006 to last week that just went poof. It's > the only directory that went walkabout, and it is well and truly gone, as a > deleted file finder wasn't able to turn anything up. > I am at a complete loss as to how something like this could happen. > > Fortunately, I have a secondary storage location, I'm pretty sure I haven't > lost many images, but I would really like to know how (and why) this one > directory decided to disappear. > It looks like restoring things is going to take the better part of 24 hours. > > bill > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
