Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog
Thanks Igor, This one: http://www.muddypawz.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/w1_100701_7D2042.jpg Camera Model: Canon EOS 7D Image Date: 2010:07:01 14:13:31 Focal Length: 200.0mm Aperture: f/5.6 Exposure Time: 0.0003 s (1/3200) ISO equiv: 500 This one: http://www.muddypawz.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/100703_1D36001.jpg Camera Model: Canon EOS-1D Mark III Image Date: 2010:07:03 09:11:15 Focal Length: 160.0mm Aperture: f/5.6 Exposure Time: 0.0006 s (1/1600) ISO equiv: 800 Exposure Bias: +1.00 EV Wendy On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Wendy, Some great photos are there! The first one is simply spectacular! If you don't mind, - what were the exposures for the 1st and the 3rd photos (with the jello-like frozen water)? Thanks for sharing! Igor Wed Jul 21 13:20:20 CDT 2010 wendy beard wrote: I don't update as much as I should, but I usually post the best shots from events. I'm pretty pleased with the latest set of dockdogs images http://www.muddypawz.net/blog -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog
wendy beard wrote: I don't update as much as I should, but I usually post the best shots from events. I'm pretty pleased with the latest set of dockdogs images http://www.muddypawz.net/blog Those are just *terrific*, Wendy! Love 'em all. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't update as much as I should, but I usually post the best shots from events. I'm pretty pleased with the latest set of dockdogs images http://www.muddypawz.net/blog personal site http://www.beard-redfern.com Wendy On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:32 PM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: Traffic's been kinda slow lately, so I figure now is the time to post something like this: If you've got a photoblog, post your blog's URL and RSS feed URL (if you have one). Feel free to describe what you post or other info, but keep it brief. Feed URL would be preferable, I think, because keeping up with blogs is so much easier with an RSS Reader (I use Google Reader, but there are other options out there). To start things off, here's mine: Blog: http://blog.neovenator.com (mirrored at http://neovenator.livejournal.com) RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/neovenator/BxVy Details: I post one photo every weekday, and I try to keep text to a minimum. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog
Wendy, Some great photos are there! The first one is simply spectacular! If you don't mind, - what were the exposures for the 1st and the 3rd photos (with the jello-like frozen water)? Thanks for sharing! Igor Wed Jul 21 13:20:20 CDT 2010 wendy beard wrote: I don't update as much as I should, but I usually post the best shots from events. I'm pretty pleased with the latest set of dockdogs images http://www.muddypawz.net/blog -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My so-called blog has evolved (devolved?) into a photoblog. Still the occasional other thing, but 98% images. No fixed posting schedule, and no promises either. Also, generally if a shot is good enough for me to blog, I PESO it here as well. Blog URL: http://nuspi.blogspot.com/ RSS: http://nuspi.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
Sorry for the delayed response. My work and other obligations take a lot of time, and while I read quite a few topics on the list and look at many photos, that happens somewhat sporadically, and I do not get to respond to all of them. I agree with most of what Bill wrote, and like several people here on the list, I also was disappointed when I couldn't get much of criticism to my photos posted here. It doesn't mean that I don't enjoy nice words (thanks to you all, sweat nice PDMLers who ever responded), but I wish I could hear more constructive critique. The frequent problem with that (and I've seen it too many times in various forums, not just photography-related - and not just on Internet, but in real life as well, including work environment) is that most people are not ready to hear any objective criticism. That comes from the internal insecurity of most of us. On another hand, - some people don't have enough skills (or sometimes tact) - to criticize constructively, (which includes but not limited to not switching to personalities, or becoming insulting (or - more often, - being percieved as such). Personally, I am very much used to (and consider myself luck for) having bosses, advisors and mentors who can tell you directly when you are good and when you are bad, - without much of BS. (That actually, often translated in a certain reciprocity: a possibility to be very direct arguing [constructively!] about various issues without being afraid that it will be held against me.) Igor PS. To everybody on the list: please, do not be afraid to provide constructive critique for my photos - publicly or privately. On Jun 29, 2010, at 8:58 PM, William Robb wrote: -- From: Doug Brewer Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution That was the big issue with Shel. It wasn't that he was harsh, but that he thought his way was the only way. Whatever one thinks of Shel (and I'm pretty sure that most know what I think), he is/was a pretty talented photographer within the genres that he pursued. I recall the critique that he gave that had everyone up in arms. He was, IIRC, commenting on a very bland photo that was well below the level that the photographer was capable of, and Shel told him that, almost to the letter. And all of a sudden people started throwing poo at him. Unfortunately, it put a real chill on the list regarding honest critique. And that is too bad, because people do often want honest comments about the pictures they present to the list, and not just get told that the turd they dropped on the sidewalk looks remarkably like the golden egg. I appreciate the kind words that my images earn, but I also appreciate when the flaws get picked out, as this is how I improve as a photographer and as an image editor. When I joined this list back in 1998 or so, it was almost entirely gear driven. That was what the technology of the day allowed. Image files were big and importing them into a computer was not especially easy, and so people chose carefully when they elected to show an image. I don't think we take the same care any more, and I think it shows. Well, I guess that probably is pretty harsh, but I do look at a lot of the images that get presented. Is this an elitist attitude? I don't know. Am I full of shit? Probably, at least in the eyes of some. Do I really give a damn? Well, no, I don't. What I do care about is photography. It's been the major driving force in my life for almost all of my life. What pisses me off is when I make a suggestion about how to improve a photograph and get told that the picture is what it is, and that I should judge it on it's own merits, and not the merits of a picture that could have been. I mean really, if I was judging it on it's own merits, I'd just say it was a shit picture. But because I care, I'll try to tell the photographer what I would have tried to get, were it my picture. And sometimes, that involves telling someone that I wouldn't have pushed the button. And why I wouldn't have. And if that is harsh, it is because I am a man of few carefully chosen words. It's too bad that real critiques got shot down, though the list is a friendlier place for it, I suppose. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
Check out www.photosig.com It's a critique site that is based on constructive critique of pictures, and other members can vote both the pictures and critiques as helpful or not. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-07-01 15:50, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: In any event, this list would be more useful to all of us -- especially the hacks like me -- if we were all a little more honest and a little more critical in our comments on images submitted to the group. I'll agree, if you'll change the word would to could. I've been around PDML since late in 1998, and on the Internet for far longer than that, and participating in information debate societies for longer still. I've seen how little it takes for a single individual to push a well functioning debate into what we call a flame war on the Internet. Sometimes even destroying a well functioning society, like this one. Several have come close in my tenure with the PDML. Even well meaning ones, like Shel. What you're suggesting certainly can work. But it absolutely requires that either everyone abide by the civility rules or there be a swift and sure mechanism to fix the problem when they're broken. A public list, blog, whatever, on the Internet, rarely has strong enough governance to correct these problems, much less prevent them in the first place. I used to hang out on a newsgroup (ADFP) that went in for bare knuckled debate. A lot of it was great fun, but the thin skinned often did not survive their welcoming wall of flame. The official FAQ for the group was lurk. And since people were more likely to be attacked for writing poorly, than for disagreeing with someone, in it's heyday it was a wonderfully literate oasis on usenet. I would love to be in a photo critique group that was both honest, and competent, and I wonder if such a group already exists. I've seen a few too many examples of people who have just learned that changing aperture would affect the depth of field pontificating as if they were the world's foremost authority. Hell, I've probably been guilty of speaking beyond my authority I time or two myself. This afternoon. It would be nice if such a group existed, but like most idealistic utopias, there are many, many, structural challenges. In any case, I think that such a group would be better if it weren't equipment specific, and that trying to foster that level of open discussion may not keep the PDML as warm and welcoming to newcomers. We could try to be more straightforward when someone asks for CC, and also respect a request for gentle CC. But lets not break what we have, trying to craft the platonic ideal of photo critique discussions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 1, 2010, at 6:39 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: On 7/1/2010 6:00 PM, eckinator wrote: 2010/7/1 Tim Øslebymaritim...@gmail.com: Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. How about SM as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me =) So the masochist says to the sadist: Hurt me, Hurt Me. The sadist answers; No. Why do you hang around that sadist? Beats me. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:15 -0400, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: On 2010-07-01 18:31, Brian Walters wrote: Back on topic - the debate about 'no holds barred' critiques of images comes up regularly and never seems to get resolved. Surely if someone post an images and says comments, suggestions, criticisms welcome (or something similar), we are entitled to take that request at face value and comment accordingly. Who's face value? Yours or mine? I've happily coexisted in bare knuckle debate societies for which Fuck you, you fucking fuck was the standard opening line, and it wasn't window dressing. But only a small minority of participants really want that sort of openness, can really deal with it when directed at them, regardless of their protestations. I'm not picking on you, Brian, I don't know you that well. But if you've been around the Earth for very long at all, you know the people I'm talking about. Well, OK. But I still think this issue is being over analysed. All I can say is that if I ask for critical comments on one of my images, I'm not going to take it personally if I'm told it's a pile of dog vomit - provided I'm also told why it's a pile of dog vomit. Whether I eventually agree with that assessment doesn't really matter - at least it will force me to look at the image again in a different context. Reading some of the other comments on this thread, I don't think I'm the only one who would appreciate fair and honest feedback. Respectfully, of course Basically, that's where it all goes wrong. Too many people can't, or won't, maintain the respectfully part of the deal. I don't know that I'd agree with that, if we're taking about the PDML specifically, but there's always the delete key for such situations. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/7/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:39 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: So the masochist says to the sadist: Hurt me, Hurt Me. The sadist answers; No. Mark! Going by the bumper sticker rationale, not a Mark either, first heard that one in 1985 Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com: When I post something, I usually say that Comments, Criticisms, Suggestions and Abuse are all Welcome, which is my way of saying please don't be kind. I spent 5 years in the Marine Corps, so I've been abused by professionals; it is unlikely this friendly group could hurt my feelings. Inspiration, anyone? http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81027441/ Just joshing you Dan because I needed an excuse to post that link No hard feelings Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Le 02/07/10 10:40, eckinator a écrit : 2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyoladanmaty...@gmail.com: When I post something, I usually say that Comments, Criticisms, Suggestions and Abuse are all Welcome, which is my way of saying please don't be kind. I spent 5 years in the Marine Corps, so I've been abused by professionals; it is unlikely this friendly group could hurt my feelings. Inspiration, anyone? http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81027441/ wish i'd had this one when I used to teach English ! just the kind of things you never find in regular textbooks though it might come in handy ; dominique -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/7/2 Madame RD romd...@orange.fr: Inspiration, anyone? http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81027441/ wish i'd had this one when I used to teach English ! just the kind of things you never find in regular textbooks though it might come in handy ; vice versa, a guy from NY whom I met in Avignon asked me to teach him German cusswords. Unless someone else taught him better by now he still calls people shotguns and shopping bags... cheers ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tom C wrote: On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:39 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: So the masochist says to the sadist: Hurt me, Hurt Me. The sadist answers; No. Mark! Tom: Is P.J. a sadist? Mark: Beats me -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/2/2010 5:58 AM, eckinator wrote:
2010/7/2 Madame RDromd...@orange.fr:
Inspiration, anyone?
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81027441/
wish i'd had this one when I used to teach English ! just the kind of
things you never find in regular textbooks though it might come in handy
;
vice versa, a guy from NY whom I met in Avignon asked me to teach him
German cusswords. Unless someone else taught him better by now he
still calls people shotguns and shopping bags...
cheers
ecke
You can count to 10 in German and sound like you're cussing someone out.
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
On 2010-07-02 8:43, P. J. Alling wrote: You can count to 10 in German and sound like you're cussing someone out. Some comedian, I can't remember who, used to compare French to German by saying that you can say anything in French and it sounds like love coos, and you can say anything in German and it sounds like 'we invade at dawn'. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:40 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com: When I post something, I usually say that Comments, Criticisms, Suggestions and Abuse are all Welcome, which is my way of saying please don't be kind. I spent 5 years in the Marine Corps, so I've been abused by professionals; it is unlikely this friendly group could hurt my feelings. Inspiration, anyone? http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81027441/ One of my favorite lines, and one which was borrowed by Charlie Stross in Iron Sunrise was posted by Geoff Miller in alt.peeves: Come, Donnie-boy, let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.peeves/browse_thread/thread/962069cadade545c/cf68b41760e2b296?hl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=wire+brush+of+enlightenment+alt.peeves+geoffm The problem with most flame wars is that so many people don't bother to take the time to do it right and be both creative and entertaining. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/7/2 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: One of my favorite lines, and one which was borrowed by Charlie Stross in Iron Sunrise was posted by Geoff Miller in alt.peeves: Come, Donnie-boy, let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.peeves/browse_thread/thread/962069cadade545c/cf68b41760e2b296?hl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=wire+brush+of+enlightenment+alt.peeves+geoffm The problem with most flame wars is that so many people don't bother to take the time to do it right and be both creative and entertaining. perhaps we should just have a second list fla...@pdml.net so people could choose which way they want to go =) rule: post to pdml, if you criticize, respond to flames@ and if a flame war happens it is well contained and open only to those willing to also be on the receiving end in one... or perhaps this is really just an exercise in civility... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: eckinator Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution perhaps we should just have a second list fla...@pdml.net so people could choose which way they want to go =) rule: post to pdml, if you criticize, respond to flames@ and if a flame war happens it is well contained and open only to those willing to also be on the receiving end in one... or perhaps this is really just an exercise in civility... ForumsNeurotica tried this. I think it's called religion politics. It is exactly what one would expect, with posts either being fairly well thought out (these are thin on the ground) or else they are character assassinations passing as debate (probably 95% or more). Fortunately, they put in an opt out so that the forum doesn't appear on log in. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Is one allowed to say: Is this the best you can do? Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer? The Shel fiasco was more or less that. It may have gotten jacked past that, but my recollection is that it started out pretty much that way. Yes Bill, in certain circumstances I think you are. Regarding Shel's comments, there are two points to be made. Firstly, requests were made for critical comments and they were given. Such comments are the view of the person who made them only - and as I've discovered over the many years I've been around here, many people hold entirely different viewpoints of the same photograph. Like many things in life, when you actually get what you ask for, it isn't what you want, and from there it is but a couple of postings to killfile and nazi... Secondly, the photographs shown in PESOs etc are all to a very high standard in any respect. So many folk here contribute regularly or have had work accepted by magazines, papers, books or shown in galleries. Even a so called poor example submitted for comment really may only be a matter of a technical point. For my own part as a purely hobby photographer, once I had got over the shock of a poor critique, I found it very useful - so in my case, 'Is that the best you can do?' would have been fair comment. I also suspect that if he had spoken, rather than seeing the words on a screen, that some comments may well have been received differently, but such is the nature of e-mail. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I once posted a peso of a construction shot--you know, that construction shoot I've been doing on and off for the last year and a half. Well, the light in the shot was flat and frankly the composition of elements offered very little interest to the viewer--no real story or emotional pull. In other words, it offered the viewer very little to care about. Few people commented, but Ann did and said, I think you're a better photographer than that. I never took offense, and I received it as a motivating comment--and there was never a minute when I thought Ann was insulting me, the photographer, nor did I ever feel that Ann's tone was anything but respectful. I had put a picture out for public viewing, opened it up for comments, and a member of the public responded honestly and respectfully in my view. About 5 days ago I sent our Bill Robb six really crappy portraits I have recently shot. I'm trying my hand at studio portraiture, and it's been a struggle. I'm not doing so good. When Bill was in Chicago, I told him about this project, and I asked him if he'd be willing to take a look at some shots, and he said he would if he had the time. I picked Bill because he obviously has studio experience, and I knew he'd be honest and helpful--especially in his unique Bill Robb way :-). So, Bill, if you tell me those portraits are great, I'm going to update my passport, drive to Regina, drag you to your local pub, buy you a shot and a beer, look you in the eye and say, I never thought you'd lie to me. You've really hurt my feelings. :-) It's always easier to accept honest feedback of others when the photographer been honest with him/herself about *both* the strengths and weaknesses of his/her own work. Moreover, the receiver of feedback is not without power here--the photographer has every right to dismiss feedback that he or she feels is off base or not relevant to what the photographer was trying to do in making the picture. This is easier to do when the photographer has a very clear understanding of what he or she was trying to do in making the photograph--more difficult when the photographer is less clear. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: William Robb war...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution -- From: Rick Womer Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution Well said, Bill. I would welcome more constructive commentary, as long as it is respectful. That doesn't mean that a pile of dogshit is called a golden egg, it just means that you don't call =the photographer= a pile of dogshit. Not this gets to the heart of things (Christine, I'll email you after we have this sorted out). What happens if the photographer normally puts pretty decent work up and for some reason puts a turd up for our viewing pleasure? Calling the turd a pile of excrement is all well and good, and doing it respectfully can probably be done in French, but is one allowed to question why the image was submitted? Is one allowed to say: Is this the best you can do? Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer? The Shel fiasco was more or less that. It may have gotten jacked past that, but my recollection is that it started out pretty much that way. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: It's always easier to accept honest feedback of others when the photographer been honest with him/herself about *both* the strengths and weaknesses of his/her own work. Moreover, the receiver of feedback is not without power here--the photographer has every right to dismiss feedback that he or she feels is off base or not relevant to what the photographer was trying to do in making the picture. This is easier to do when the photographer has a very clear understanding of what he or she was trying to do in making the photograph--more difficult when the photographer is less clear. One of the things that I have been working at over the past few years is making good use of the feedback that I get. A good way to learn how not to accept feedback is to teach (or rather coach someone) at something like driving. A friend once had a button that said There are two things that all men think that they are good at, one of them is driving. When I post a photo, my ego really appreciates attaboys. But, it's the critical evaluation of what I did right, and wrong, and how I could have improved it that (at least in theory) makes me a better photographer. I may not agree with what the other person things would look better, but it gives me a glimpse on what other people like, which is usually very helpful. It is in many ways, the most disappointing when a peso goes out without even a ripple. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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One can write (I have written): I don't get it. What are you trying to do with this shot? If the photographer is pretty decent, it is likely I'm missing something instead of the photo being merde du chien. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 6/30/10, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: -- From: Rick Womer Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution Well said, Bill. I would welcome more constructive commentary, as long as it is respectful. That doesn't mean that a pile of dogshit is called a golden egg, it just means that you don't call =the photographer= a pile of dogshit. Not this gets to the heart of things (Christine, I'll email you after we have this sorted out). What happens if the photographer normally puts pretty decent work up and for some reason puts a turd up for our viewing pleasure? Calling the turd a pile of excrement is all well and good, and doing it respectfully can probably be done in French, but is one allowed to question why the image was submitted? Is one allowed to say: Is this the best you can do? Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer? The Shel fiasco was more or less that. It may have gotten jacked past that, but my recollection is that it started out pretty much that way. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Is one allowed to say: Is this the best you can do? Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer? IMO, even that first question is negatively loaded because it's aimed at the photographer, not the image. It implies the photographer is unskilled, uncaring, or lazy, or did not try their best (all the above could be true). However, it's a judgement rendered of the person not the photograph. What right does the viewer have to ask that kind of question? That certainly would not motivate me, it would just piss me off. Ask that question of your wife, husband, child about anything they've done and I'll guarantee a negative angry reaction 99% of the time. And even if the photographer did not try their best, who cares? Do any of us try our best regarding every task we undertake? Define best. Is one person's best different from another's? Far better to speak regarding the image, where it fails or excels, instead of calling in to question the skill, motivation or dedication of the person. I recall Shel having an issue with an image I took of a rainbow and mountainside, and he complained that the background was washed out and lacking in constrast. I forget his exact words but they struck me as caustic at the time. OK, it wasn't a masterpiece and I never claimed it was, but guess what? When looking through miles of falling rain, does one expect a crystal clear high contrast scene, or might contrast be lowered because of the conditions? IMO, Shel simply had his head where the sun doesn't shine much of the time, and was often not qualified to render the judgements he did... regardless of his schooling in photography, which I think counts too little and was mentioned too often. He justfied his style of critique by saying he was emulating his teacher in photography school. Give me a break. Just because you're teacher's an butthead, doesn't mean one has to copy that behavior. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Is one allowed to say: Is this the best you can do? Context sensitive statement. If I give someone two free punches in a bar fight, it is mockery. If I know someone really well and have my arm around him it is encouragement. I think you are thinking along those lines. However, if I don't know someone that well they will find it upsetting. Why don't you rather say I know you can do better than that. If I were you I'd... instead? Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer? Yes if the disappointment is clearly stated and 100% in reference to aspects of the image and 0% about the individual. But then it is the image and not the photographer. Well perhaps their work but that is about the end of it. Then again, how would you express such disappointment anyway if you don't know the person? I haven't met anyone here so far so how could I be disappointed? Noone here has promised me anything or pretended to be someone they aren't. All I have is posts of opinion and photos. No people. This is not the real world after all. So I guess the answer is no. Criticize the image, better yet criticize what you believe to be the mistakes committed while it was taken. If you think someone should have lowered the viewpoint or raised it, say so. If you feel a few steps back and a longer focal lenght would have done the subject more justice, again say so. And so on. Give me something to chew on and I will be grateful. Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-07-01 8:35, Tom C wrote: William Robb wrote: Is one allowed to say: Is this the best you can do? Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer? IMO, even that first question is negatively loaded because it's aimed at the photographer, not the image. I agree. Criticize the work, not the person. I feel it would be much better, more likely to be received and processed, to say I don't think this shot is up to your abilities, or something like that. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Like Bob, I try to look at most if not all of the images posted, although I comment only on a few. From the images I view I get two things that are important to me - a photographic learning experience based on what I like or what I think it would take to improve the image, and I can vicariously see what life is like on this planet outside of my local sphere. As for comments, if I do comment on am image I like, I try to stay away from platitudes and say why I like it. If I comment negatively, I'll suggest a way I think it might be improved. I expect the same in return on any images I post. If you tell me an image is crap without any suggestions on how to improve it, your comments will go into that part of my brain where all the other bullshit is filed. OTOH, if you attack me on a personal basis, I'll track you down wherever you are and piss in your coffee. -p On 6/29/2010 10:45 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: I read Doug Brewer's comments, and Bill Robb's, and Doug Franklin's. Lots of what each of them said makes good sense to me. The pictures I post here are often not the greatest, but are current/topical. I'm sorry my standards are so low. I look at almost every picture posted or linked to here. I probably comment positively on too many of them, and rarely make negative comments. Silence is my negative response. I try to specify exactly what it is I like about the photos, but can fall into the trap of 'Nice photo' at times. I've been on the list for a while (10+ years) and know a bunch of you. It's easy to encourage folks you know and have met personally. And I'll do this. If I'm doing to much of this, tell me to shut-up or just send me to the trash bin. I think the quality of pictures here has improved with digital and over time. The subject matter that we prefer individually is quite different. Look at who did and didn't enjoy the Chicago Art Institute photo exhibit. This leaves a lot of room tolerance of many different types of photos. I hope it stays this way, but I'm not likely to tell you if I hate your photo! Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/7/1 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: On Jul 1, 2010, at 5:34 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/6/30 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: It's simple. Your photos suck, but the rest of us rock. But, we're nice folks, so we let you hang out in the hopes you learn how to use a camera. My thoughts precisely. Thanks, buddy ;]'' Hey, what are friends for. Ecke Reading all these comments, in essence a few points have emerged to me: I will post PESOs/PESO-Crits as both album and blog links, I will express my criticism in the form of suggestions and why/how questions (sometimes rather than to push an opinion on someone raising a question starts their thoughts), I will never criticize the individual and when criticized, I will respond in the form of asking questions back only - that rule should disarm most situations. So many posts on this thread, I will have to read them later, real life's calling. This is my only list and I spend too much time on it which will change once I work again, I will maybe change my usage then. Good suggestions, but they went only to me, because I was just giving you shit off the list. well we can change that, can't we =) cheers ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/1/2010 1:11 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
Like Bob, I try to look at most if not all of the images posted,
although I comment only on a few. From the images I view I get two
things that are important to me - a photographic learning experience
based on what I like or what I think it would take to improve the
image, and I can vicariously see what life is like on this planet
outside of my local sphere.
As for comments, if I do comment on am image I like, I try to stay
away from platitudes and say why I like it. If I comment negatively,
I'll suggest a way I think it might be improved. I expect the same in
return on any images I post. If you tell me an image is crap without
any suggestions on how to improve it, your comments will go into that
part of my brain where all the other bullshit is filed.
OTOH, if you attack me on a personal basis, I'll track you down
wherever you are and piss in your coffee.
There are places that make you pay extra for that.
-p
On 6/29/2010 10:45 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
I read Doug Brewer's comments, and Bill Robb's, and Doug Franklin's.
Lots of what each of them said makes good sense to me.
The pictures I post here are often not the greatest, but are
current/topical.
I'm sorry my standards are so low.
I look at almost every picture posted or linked to here.
I probably comment positively on too many of them, and
rarely make negative comments. Silence is my negative response.
I try to specify exactly what it is I like about the photos,
but can fall into the trap of 'Nice photo' at times.
I've been on the list for a while (10+ years) and know a bunch of you.
It's easy to encourage folks you know and have met personally.
And I'll do this. If I'm doing to much of this, tell me to shut-up or
just send me to the trash bin.
I think the quality of pictures here has improved with digital and
over time.
The subject matter that we prefer individually is quite different.
Look at who did and didn't enjoy the Chicago Art Institute photo
exhibit.
This leaves a lot of room tolerance of many different types of photos.
I hope it stays this way, but I'm not likely to tell you if I hate
your photo!
Regards, Bob S.
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This is why I post a large picture (no small thumbnails) and any writing below it on my photoblog. Check out the image, read the rest only if you're interested. Note that many photoblogs work this way or simply have large pictures with a short description. -Adam On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: I confess having some difficulty with blogs. I wasn't going to say it, but since you broached it. I don't really want to do all the reading that a blog presumes I do, and I don't like clicking on the inevitable thumbnail in the blog to get to the larger version of an image. I find most blogs present even the thumbnail in such an unappealing manner that I'm not inclined to click. On a photography list I'm going to the blog to see the photo not read about it. And finally maybe, somewhat rudely, but not intended so, I find a blog a bit akin to watching someone's home movies. They tend to mean much more to the creator than to the audience, and so come across, to me at least, as somewhat mundane. My own blog of course would be very interesting and compelling. I much prefer a single link to an image, or a gallery of thumbnails, as opposed to an image thumbnail surrounded by a lot of text. On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is complicated enough... (including a dead keyboard for a bit) but I'm hopping on to second Doug Franklin's approach... having been around in the days of Shel, Dobo, Mafud and the like when nastiness took up too much space . I prefer email from the to blogs because I download it all in to a separate folder and it is easier to deal with. It seems a bit less out there than blogs, too. I'm leary of blogging, though at some point I suppose I ought to do it. Bear in mind, too, that there are any number of people on this list whose real life occupations are far far more important in the general scheme of things and away from the web. that the get pics up here at all is a frigging miricle. ann annsan.smugmug.com There is also Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote: In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...] I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I, for one, would appreciate more negative comments on the images I post here.
I post PESOs because I know that I'm not a very good photographer and
I'm trying to improve. [While others here have hundreds of images
accepted by Pentax, they have taken only 13 of the many I submitted,
and I know that most of those were accepted because of the cute
subject matter (little fawns) or because they are postcard views of
beautiful scenes on day with nice skies.]
When I post something, I usually say that Comments, Criticisms,
Suggestions and Abuse are all Welcome, which is my way of saying
please don't be kind. I spent 5 years in the Marine Corps, so I've
been abused by professionals; it is unlikely this friendly group
could hurt my feelings.
In any event, this list would be more useful to all of us --
especially the hacks like me -- if we were all a little more honest
and a little more critical in our comments on images submitted to the
group.
Just my two cents.
Dan
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:12 PM, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/1/2010 1:11 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
Like Bob, I try to look at most if not all of the images posted, although
I comment only on a few. From the images I view I get two things that are
important to me - a photographic learning experience based on what I like or
what I think it would take to improve the image, and I can vicariously see
what life is like on this planet outside of my local sphere.
As for comments, if I do comment on am image I like, I try to stay away
from platitudes and say why I like it. If I comment negatively, I'll
suggest a way I think it might be improved. I expect the same in return on
any images I post. If you tell me an image is crap without any suggestions
on how to improve it, your comments will go into that part of my brain where
all the other bullshit is filed.
OTOH, if you attack me on a personal basis, I'll track you down wherever
you are and piss in your coffee.
There are places that make you pay extra for that.
-p
On 6/29/2010 10:45 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
I read Doug Brewer's comments, and Bill Robb's, and Doug Franklin's.
Lots of what each of them said makes good sense to me.
The pictures I post here are often not the greatest, but are
current/topical.
I'm sorry my standards are so low.
I look at almost every picture posted or linked to here.
I probably comment positively on too many of them, and
rarely make negative comments. Silence is my negative response.
I try to specify exactly what it is I like about the photos,
but can fall into the trap of 'Nice photo' at times.
I've been on the list for a while (10+ years) and know a bunch of you.
It's easy to encourage folks you know and have met personally.
And I'll do this. If I'm doing to much of this, tell me to shut-up or
just send me to the trash bin.
I think the quality of pictures here has improved with digital and over
time.
The subject matter that we prefer individually is quite different.
Look at who did and didn't enjoy the Chicago Art Institute photo exhibit.
This leaves a lot of room tolerance of many different types of photos.
I hope it stays this way, but I'm not likely to tell you if I hate your
photo!
Regards, Bob S.
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On 2010-07-01 15:50, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: In any event, this list would be more useful to all of us -- especially the hacks like me -- if we were all a little more honest and a little more critical in our comments on images submitted to the group. I'll agree, if you'll change the word would to could. I've been around PDML since late in 1998, and on the Internet for far longer than that, and participating in information debate societies for longer still. I've seen how little it takes for a single individual to push a well functioning debate into what we call a flame war on the Internet. Sometimes even destroying a well functioning society, like this one. Several have come close in my tenure with the PDML. Even well meaning ones, like Shel. What you're suggesting certainly can work. But it absolutely requires that either everyone abide by the civility rules or there be a swift and sure mechanism to fix the problem when they're broken. A public list, blog, whatever, on the Internet, rarely has strong enough governance to correct these problems, much less prevent them in the first place. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-07-01 15:50, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: In any event, this list would be more useful to all of us -- especially the hacks like me -- if we were all a little more honest and a little more critical in our comments on images submitted to the group. I'll agree, if you'll change the word would to could. I've been around PDML since late in 1998, and on the Internet for far longer than that, and participating in information debate societies for longer still. I've seen how little it takes for a single individual to push a well functioning debate into what we call a flame war on the Internet. Sometimes even destroying a well functioning society, like this one. Several have come close in my tenure with the PDML. Even well meaning ones, like Shel. What you're suggesting certainly can work. But it absolutely requires that either everyone abide by the civility rules or there be a swift and sure mechanism to fix the problem when they're broken. A public list, blog, whatever, on the Internet, rarely has strong enough governance to correct these problems, much less prevent them in the first place. I used to hang out on a newsgroup (ADFP) that went in for bare knuckled debate. A lot of it was great fun, but the thin skinned often did not survive their welcoming wall of flame. The official FAQ for the group was lurk. And since people were more likely to be attacked for writing poorly, than for disagreeing with someone, in it's heyday it was a wonderfully literate oasis on usenet. I would love to be in a photo critique group that was both honest, and competent, and I wonder if such a group already exists. I've seen a few too many examples of people who have just learned that changing aperture would affect the depth of field pontificating as if they were the world's foremost authority. Hell, I've probably been guilty of speaking beyond my authority I time or two myself. This afternoon. It would be nice if such a group existed, but like most idealistic utopias, there are many, many, structural challenges. In any case, I think that such a group would be better if it weren't equipment specific, and that trying to foster that level of open discussion may not keep the PDML as warm and welcoming to newcomers. We could try to be more straightforward when someone asks for CC, and also respect a request for gentle CC. But lets not break what we have, trying to craft the platonic ideal of photo critique discussions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/7/1 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: In any case, I think that such a group would be better if it weren't equipment specific, and that trying to foster that level of open discussion may not keep the PDML as warm and welcoming to newcomers. We could try to be more straightforward when someone asks for CC, and also respect a request for gentle CC. But lets not break what we have, trying to craft the platonic ideal of photo critique discussions. If you want my opinion (ignore it if you don't) things should stay as they are except for those who specifically request it and there should perhaps be a stop code to terminate arguments getting out of hand. how about cormorant? This list is a nice place and I wouldn't want that to change for a large number. Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. How about SM as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/7/1 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com: 2010/7/1 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: In any case, I think that such a group would be better if it weren't equipment specific, and that trying to foster that level of open discussion may not keep the PDML as warm and welcoming to newcomers. We could try to be more straightforward when someone asks for CC, and also respect a request for gentle CC. But lets not break what we have, trying to craft the platonic ideal of photo critique discussions. If you want my opinion (ignore it if you don't) things should stay as they are except for those who specifically request it and there should perhaps be a stop code to terminate arguments getting out of hand. how about cormorant? This list is a nice place and I wouldn't want that to change for a large number. Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/7/1 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. How about SM as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 00:00 +0200, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/1 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. How about SM as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me =) Mark!! Back on topic - the debate about 'no holds barred' critiques of images comes up regularly and never seems to get resolved. Surely if someone post an images and says comments, suggestions, criticisms welcome (or something similar), we are entitled to take that request at face value and comment accordingly. Respectfully, of course Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 1, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. It takes a special kind of person to use cormorant as their safe word. How about SM as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p Why do you think that it's called a submission? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/7/2 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: It takes a special kind of person to use cormorant as their safe word. oh totally but can you envision yourself saying aperture simulator while heading up the creek? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-07-01 17:25, Larry Colen wrote: I've seen a few too many examples of people who have just learned that changing aperture would affect the depth of field pontificating Have you been reading KR's web site again? :-) It would be nice if such a group existed, but like most idealistic utopias, there are many, many, structural challenges. It would, indeed. My experience has been that a working bare knuckle group is far more likely to meet physically than electronically. I wish it weren't so, because it's getting harder and harder to collect a group like that in meatspace. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-07-01 18:31, Brian Walters wrote: Back on topic - the debate about 'no holds barred' critiques of images comes up regularly and never seems to get resolved. Surely if someone post an images and says comments, suggestions, criticisms welcome (or something similar), we are entitled to take that request at face value and comment accordingly. Who's face value? Yours or mine? I've happily coexisted in bare knuckle debate societies for which Fuck you, you fucking fuck was the standard opening line, and it wasn't window dressing. But only a small minority of participants really want that sort of openness, can really deal with it when directed at them, regardless of their protestations. I'm not picking on you, Brian, I don't know you that well. But if you've been around the Earth for very long at all, you know the people I'm talking about. Respectfully, of course Basically, that's where it all goes wrong. Too many people can't, or won't, maintain the respectfully part of the deal. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd say Bill. Tom C. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:01 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/2 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: It takes a special kind of person to use cormorant as their safe word. oh totally but can you envision yourself saying aperture simulator while heading up the creek? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/1/2010 6:00 PM, eckinator wrote:
2010/7/1 Tim Øslebymaritim...@gmail.com:
Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant.
How about SM as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p
Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me =)
So the masochist says to the sadist: Hurt me, Hurt Me. The sadist
answers; No.
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On 7/1/2010 6:31 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 00:00 +0200, eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com
wrote:
2010/7/1 Tim Øslebymaritim...@gmail.com:
Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant.
How about SM as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p
Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite
me =)
Not worth a Mark, I have that on a bumper sticker...
Mark!!
Back on topic - the debate about 'no holds barred' critiques of images
comes up regularly and never seems to get resolved. Surely if someone
post an images and says comments, suggestions, criticisms welcome (or
something similar), we are entitled to take that request at face value
and comment accordingly. Respectfully, of course
Cheers
Brian
++
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http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
On 7/1/2010 9:11 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:
On 2010-07-01 17:25, Larry Colen wrote:
I've seen a few too many examples of people who have just learned
that changing aperture would affect the depth of field pontificating
Have you been reading KR's web site again? :-)
Oh, please. KR hasn't realized he can turn ignore features he doesn't use.
It would be nice if such a group existed, but like most idealistic
utopias, there are many, many, structural challenges.
It would, indeed. My experience has been that a working bare
knuckle group is far more likely to meet physically than
electronically. I wish it weren't so, because it's getting harder and
harder to collect a group like that in meatspace.
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On 30/06/2010, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why... For me the limitation is time, I really have to skip through posts these days, I just have too many other things to attend to. Sometimes I just have to dump great chunks of mail but when I have a little time on my hands I generally post a comment when an image stops me. I'm not offering a critique generally but more a nod of appreciation, worthwhile critiques take much longer IMO. That said I do feel a little guilty when I post images however I'm not specifically after critiques, I'm generally just sharing something that I'm happy with at the time. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is complicated enough... (including a dead keyboard for a bit) but I'm hopping on to second Doug Franklin's approach... having been around in the days of Shel, Dobo, Mafud and the like when nastiness took up too much space . I prefer email from the to blogs because I download it all in to a separate folder and it is easier to deal with. It seems a bit less out there than blogs, too. I'm leary of blogging, though at some point I suppose I ought to do it. Bear in mind, too, that there are any number of people on this list whose real life occupations are far far more important in the general scheme of things and away from the web. that the get pics up here at all is a frigging miricle. ann annsan.smugmug.com There is also Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote: In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...] I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I confess having some difficulty with blogs. I wasn't going to say it, but since you broached it. I don't really want to do all the reading that a blog presumes I do, and I don't like clicking on the inevitable thumbnail in the blog to get to the larger version of an image. I find most blogs present even the thumbnail in such an unappealing manner that I'm not inclined to click. On a photography list I'm going to the blog to see the photo not read about it. And finally maybe, somewhat rudely, but not intended so, I find a blog a bit akin to watching someone's home movies. They tend to mean much more to the creator than to the audience, and so come across, to me at least, as somewhat mundane. My own blog of course would be very interesting and compelling. I much prefer a single link to an image, or a gallery of thumbnails, as opposed to an image thumbnail surrounded by a lot of text. On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is complicated enough... (including a dead keyboard for a bit) but I'm hopping on to second Doug Franklin's approach... having been around in the days of Shel, Dobo, Mafud and the like when nastiness took up too much space . I prefer email from the to blogs because I download it all in to a separate folder and it is easier to deal with. It seems a bit less out there than blogs, too. I'm leary of blogging, though at some point I suppose I ought to do it. Bear in mind, too, that there are any number of people on this list whose real life occupations are far far more important in the general scheme of things and away from the web. that the get pics up here at all is a frigging miricle. ann annsan.smugmug.com There is also Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote: In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...] I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Shouldn't that /womanly/ lurking...
On 6/30/2010 11:16 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is complicated enough...
(including a dead keyboard for a bit) but I'm hopping on
to second Doug Franklin's approach... having been around in the days
of Shel, Dobo, Mafud and the like when
nastiness took up too much space .
I prefer email from the to blogs because I download it all in to a
separate folder and it is easier to deal with. It seems a bit less
out there
than blogs, too. I'm leary of blogging, though at some point I
suppose I ought to do it.
Bear in mind, too, that there are any number of people on this list
whose real life occupations are far far more important in the general
scheme of things and away from the web. that the get pics up here at
all is a frigging miricle.
ann
annsan.smugmug.com
There is also
Doug Franklin wrote:
On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote:
In a nutshell I would love for the
etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...]
I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more
than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email.
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:35:28AM -0400, Tom C wrote: I confess having some difficulty with blogs. . . . And finally maybe, somewhat rudely, but not intended so, I find a blog a bit akin to watching someone's home movies. They tend to mean much more to the creator than to the audience . . . Precisely. Almost every blog is written mostly for the person writing the blog; that's who sets the rules and guidelines. A post to a discussion group, on the other hand, is (or at least should be) written to conform to the guidelines of the group. And a discussion group is precisely that - the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, and a genuine discussion is usually far more interesting than listening to a single point of view. It isn't perfect; there are always one or two people who don't seem able (or, perhaps more accurately, willing) to fit in with the group mores. But there are ways of dealing with that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well Tom, you have worded my feelings exactly. Blogging and twitter just seem like so much information I don't want to hear about. I don't have enough time as it is to want to sift through all the 'noise' to find the few tidbits I'd like. GESOs are a similar thing for me, though not nearly as bad. Time to view them all and comment is almost not worth it. Actually I will spend about the same amount of time on one photo as a whle gallery - so you can surmise the type of feedback I'm going to give on a gallery. -Original Message- From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution I confess having some difficulty with blogs. I wasn't going to say it, but since you broached it. I don't really want to do all the reading that a blog presumes I do, and I don't like clicking on the inevitable thumbnail in the blog to get to the larger version of an image. I find most blogs present even the thumbnail in such an unappealing manner that I'm not inclined to click. On a photography list I'm going to the blog to see the photo not read about it. And finally maybe, somewhat rudely, but not intended so, I find a blog a bit akin to watching someone's home movies. They tend to mean much more to the creator than to the audience, and so come across, to me at [The entire original message is not included] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tom C wrote: I confess having some difficulty with blogs. I wasn't going to say it, but since you broached it. I don't really want to do all the reading that a blog presumes I do, and I don't like clicking on the inevitable thumbnail in the blog to get to the larger version of an image. I find most blogs present even the thumbnail in such an unappealing manner that I'm not inclined to click. On a photography list I'm going to the blog to see the photo not read about it. And finally maybe, somewhat rudely, but not intended so, I find a blog a bit akin to watching someone's home movies. They tend to mean much more to the creator than to the audience, and so come across, to me at least, as somewhat mundane. My own blog of course would be very interesting and compelling. I much prefer a single link to an image, or a gallery of thumbnails, as opposed to an image thumbnail surrounded by a lot of text. Blogs and The List are different entities, and have different aims. On the rare occasion I write something for my real blog, it's pointed to wider audience than a bunch of photography enthusiasts, and unless I have specific photography-related information/opinion in the post, I don't mention it here. That I have a few crossover readers is bonus for me the blog writer, but that's not why I started writing a blog. I can tell you that it's damn hard to keep a blog going, especially if you want to keep it interesting and compelling. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A large part of my daily work consists of writing blog entries for various clients. Don't plan on doing more of that for entertainment. PESOs are fine by me. Paul On Jun 30, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is complicated enough... (including a dead keyboard for a bit) but I'm hopping on to second Doug Franklin's approach... having been around in the days of Shel, Dobo, Mafud and the like when nastiness took up too much space . I prefer email from the to blogs because I download it all in to a separate folder and it is easier to deal with. It seems a bit less out there than blogs, too. I'm leary of blogging, though at some point I suppose I ought to do it. Bear in mind, too, that there are any number of people on this list whose real life occupations are far far more important in the general scheme of things and away from the web. that the get pics up here at all is a frigging miricle. ann annsan.smugmug.com There is also Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote: In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...] I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And just to circle back... :-) If you (the royal you) want me to look at an image, I'd prefer it to be introduced as a list post as opposed to imbedded in a blog. My personal preference of course. Tom On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: Tom C wrote: I confess having some difficulty with blogs. I wasn't going to say it, but since you broached it. I don't really want to do all the reading that a blog presumes I do, and I don't like clicking on the inevitable thumbnail in the blog to get to the larger version of an image. I find most blogs present even the thumbnail in such an unappealing manner that I'm not inclined to click. On a photography list I'm going to the blog to see the photo not read about it. And finally maybe, somewhat rudely, but not intended so, I find a blog a bit akin to watching someone's home movies. They tend to mean much more to the creator than to the audience, and so come across, to me at least, as somewhat mundane. My own blog of course would be very interesting and compelling. I much prefer a single link to an image, or a gallery of thumbnails, as opposed to an image thumbnail surrounded by a lot of text. Blogs and The List are different entities, and have different aims. On the rare occasion I write something for my real blog, it's pointed to wider audience than a bunch of photography enthusiasts, and unless I have specific photography-related information/opinion in the post, I don't mention it here. That I have a few crossover readers is bonus for me the blog writer, but that's not why I started writing a blog. I can tell you that it's damn hard to keep a blog going, especially if you want to keep it interesting and compelling. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Well Tom, you have worded my feelings exactly. Blogging and twitter just seem like so much information I don't want to hear about. I don't have enough time as it is to want to sift through all the 'noise' to find the few tidbits I'd like. I think you're talking about something that's different from most of the photoblogs I subscribe to. If I subscribe to the photoblog of a photographer I like, what I tend to see is a periodic or occasional photo, usually with a caption. It's basically all signal and no noise. While I enjoy the PDML, I can't quite wrap my head around people on the list complaining that photoblogs have a low SNR. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well I find it pretty easy to filter the PDML noise. If the subject line doesn't interest me I delete it. The blog though, makes me click on the link and see the text of the blog. I'm not making a big deal of it, I just overall am not enamored with the whole blog concept, twitter, Facebook, etc. Tom On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: Well Tom, you have worded my feelings exactly. Blogging and twitter just seem like so much information I don't want to hear about. I don't have enough time as it is to want to sift through all the 'noise' to find the few tidbits I'd like. I think you're talking about something that's different from most of the photoblogs I subscribe to. If I subscribe to the photoblog of a photographer I like, what I tend to see is a periodic or occasional photo, usually with a caption. It's basically all signal and no noise. While I enjoy the PDML, I can't quite wrap my head around people on the list complaining that photoblogs have a low SNR. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: The blog though, makes me click on the link and see the text of the blog. No, that's the whole point of a feed reader. To aggregate the text and photos from any number of blogs and other sources into one place. If someone posts a PESO on the list, I have to click on the link to see the picture, because we (by convention and technical factors) do not have attached images on the list. For the photoblogs I subscribe to, the photographs appear directly in my reader (sometimes thumbnail, sometimes screenish-sized). It's never slower than clicking through from an email, and often faster. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And what about the text blog? On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: The blog though, makes me click on the link and see the text of the blog. No, that's the whole point of a feed reader. To aggregate the text and photos from any number of blogs and other sources into one place. If someone posts a PESO on the list, I have to click on the link to see the picture, because we (by convention and technical factors) do not have attached images on the list. For the photoblogs I subscribe to, the photographs appear directly in my reader (sometimes thumbnail, sometimes screenish-sized). It's never slower than clicking through from an email, and often faster. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: And what about the text blog? I don't understand the question. I thought we were talking about photography. If you subscribe to a blog that's mostly textual, the text appears in your feed reader. (Some blogs publish the whole text of each post to the feed; some publish a preview, requiring you to click through to see the rest, mostly to sell more ads on their site. I'm far more likely to read the former.) A feed is a feed. It can hold text, images, Flash movies, etc. Whatever the author publishes to the feed shows up in your reader without having to click through to a website. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My main malfunction (on this topic at least) is that I prefer not to see the text and general confusion I find associated with many blogs(in general). It wasn't that I wanted to aggregate the contents of blogs all into one spot, or that clicking to see an image is much of a problem, it's more that I prefer to see only the image sans the blog. :-) Different strokes I guess... I see the usefuleness of a feed in instances, Tom On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: And what about the text blog? I don't understand the question. I thought we were talking about photography. If you subscribe to a blog that's mostly textual, the text appears in your feed reader. (Some blogs publish the whole text of each post to the feed; some publish a preview, requiring you to click through to see the rest, mostly to sell more ads on their site. I'm far more likely to read the former.) A feed is a feed. It can hold text, images, Flash movies, etc. Whatever the author publishes to the feed shows up in your reader without having to click through to a website. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not really a blog as I don´t write anything, and also I guess you already know about it as I annoy you with the PAW every week, but the link is in the signature. .-) DagT http://www.thrane.name Den 28. juni 2010 kl. 21.32 skrev John Celio: Traffic's been kinda slow lately, so I figure now is the time to post something like this: If you've got a photoblog, post your blog's URL and RSS feed URL (if you have one). Feel free to describe what you post or other info, but keep it brief. Feed URL would be preferable, I think, because keeping up with blogs is so much easier with an RSS Reader (I use Google Reader, but there are other options out there). To start things off, here's mine: Blog: http://blog.neovenator.com (mirrored at http://neovenator.livejournal.com) RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/neovenator/BxVy Details: I post one photo every weekday, and I try to keep text to a minimum. John -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: My main malfunction (on this topic at least) is that I prefer not to see the text and general confusion I find associated with many blogs(in general). Fair enough, I just see that as being orthogonal to the mechanism of delivery (e.g. blog vs. static web page, or even a book). In the context of this discussion I'm pretty much using blog as shorthand for thing that has an RSS feed to provide you with updates. From my point of view, if a photographer wants you to see words with his or her pictures, you're probably going to see words with the pictures. It's then up to you whether you want to pay attention to that photographer (read emails, click on links, subscribe to feed, buy the book, whatever) or not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P. J. Alling wrote: Shouldn't that /womanly/ lurking... hehe I didnt get that until I re-read what I wrote but. Shouldn't that be? / Shouldn't that be ?/womanly/lurking ?? :-0 ann On 6/30/2010 11:16 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is complicated enough... (including a dead keyboard for a bit) but I'm hopping on to second Doug Franklin's approach... having been around in the days of Shel, Dobo, Mafud and the like when nastiness took up too much space . I prefer email from the to blogs because I download it all in to a separate folder and it is easier to deal with. It seems a bit less out there than blogs, too. I'm leary of blogging, though at some point I suppose I ought to do it. Bear in mind, too, that there are any number of people on this list whose real life occupations are far far more important in the general scheme of things and away from the web. that the get pics up here at all is a frigging miricle. ann annsan.smugmug.com There is also Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote: In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...] I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jun 29, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Rick Womer wrote: That is an interesting subject, but the photo would be better if you included the subject's head, had him in focus, and reduced the exposure by 2 stops or so. Mark -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I much prefer a single link to an image, or a gallery of thumbnails, as opposed to an image thumbnail surrounded by a lot of text. If you'd taken a look at the links people have provided so far, you'd have noticed that none of them present images as thumbnails, and most of them don't require any reading at all. These are photoblogs, not necessarily read about my life blogs. I, for one, got tired of no one caring about my personal life a while back and now am content with no one caring about my photos. Now for some definitions: Blog: a frequently-updated website featuring lots of text about whatever topic the blog covers (be it politics, sports, or the author's growing collection of fruit bat stool samples). May include photos, videos or other media, but is mainly text. Photoblog: a frequently-updated website primarily featuring photos with either no text or small amounts of text. The photos are the primary reason the photoblog exists, so whatever accompanying text there may be generally serves to describe the photo in some way (tech specs, the story behind the image, etc). The photos are generally presented at a reasonably large size. My photoblog is an example of this (http://blog.neovenator.com). RSS Reader: a web browser-based application that takes RSS feeds from various websites (imagine a magazine sending out each new article individually in the mail as soon as it is completed, rather than you having to go to the newsstand to buy a complete issue each month. That's an RSS feed, except it's all free) and puts them all in one location. Google Reader is one of many RSS readers, and makes it infinitely easier for me to follow the dozens of blogs and photoblogs I follow. I just wanted to clear that up, even if you still aren't interested in following anyone's photoblogs. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-06-30 13:57 , John Celio wrote: Blog: a frequently-updated website featuring lots of text about whatever topic the blog covers (be it politics, sports, or the author's growing collection of fruit bat stool samples). May include photos, videos or other media, but is mainly text. this is a fine definition except for two parts: lots of text and mainly text; a photo blog is simply a subcategory of blog RSS Reader: a web browser-based application that takes RSS feeds there are many non-browser-based news readers -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Whats a verb or two between friends.
On 6/30/2010 3:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
P. J. Alling wrote:
Shouldn't that /womanly/ lurking...
hehe I didnt get that until I re-read what I wrote
but.
Shouldn't that be? / Shouldn't that be ?/womanly/lurking ?? :-0
ann
On 6/30/2010 11:16 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is complicated
enough... (including a dead keyboard for a bit) but I'm hopping on
to second Doug Franklin's approach... having been around in the days
of Shel, Dobo, Mafud and the like when
nastiness took up too much space .
I prefer email from the to blogs because I download it all in to a
separate folder and it is easier to deal with. It seems a bit less
out there
than blogs, too. I'm leary of blogging, though at some point I
suppose I ought to do it.
Bear in mind, too, that there are any number of people on this list
whose real life occupations are far far more important in the general
scheme of things and away from the web. that the get pics up here
at all is a frigging miricle.
ann
annsan.smugmug.com
There is also
Doug Franklin wrote:
On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote:
In a nutshell I would love for the
etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...]
I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it
more than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email.
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Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
-- From: Rick Womer Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution Well said, Bill. I would welcome more constructive commentary, as long as it is respectful. That doesn't mean that a pile of dogshit is called a golden egg, it just means that you don't call =the photographer= a pile of dogshit. Not this gets to the heart of things (Christine, I'll email you after we have this sorted out). What happens if the photographer normally puts pretty decent work up and for some reason puts a turd up for our viewing pleasure? Calling the turd a pile of excrement is all well and good, and doing it respectfully can probably be done in French, but is one allowed to question why the image was submitted? Is one allowed to say: Is this the best you can do? Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer? The Shel fiasco was more or less that. It may have gotten jacked past that, but my recollection is that it started out pretty much that way. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://eckinator.posterous.com for now =) cheers ecke 2010/6/28 John Celio n...@neovenator.com: Traffic's been kinda slow lately, so I figure now is the time to post something like this: If you've got a photoblog, post your blog's URL and RSS feed URL (if you have one). Feel free to describe what you post or other info, but keep it brief. Feed URL would be preferable, I think, because keeping up with blogs is so much easier with an RSS Reader (I use Google Reader, but there are other options out there). To start things off, here's mine: Blog: http://blog.neovenator.com (mirrored at http://neovenator.livejournal.com) RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/neovenator/BxVy Details: I post one photo every weekday, and I try to keep text to a minimum. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It can be hard to keep up with the PDML. How is one supposed to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated? Ecke has some great shots up that have never been PESOs. Under normal circumstances I would have missed them completely. How does one share comments with others, let alone have a discussion? I think Godfrey has done it well, by posting photoblog entries as PESOs. I hope others do the same. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Mon, 6/28/10, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: From: John Celio n...@neovenator.com Subject: Feed Us Your Photoblog To: PDML@pdml.net Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 3:32 PM Traffic's been kinda slow lately, so I figure now is the time to post something like this: If you've got a photoblog, post your blog's URL and RSS feed URL (if you have one). Feel free to describe what you post or other info, but keep it brief. Feed URL would be preferable, I think, because keeping up with blogs is so much easier with an RSS Reader (I use Google Reader, but there are other options out there). To start things off, here's mine: Blog: http://blog.neovenator.com (mirrored at http://neovenator.livejournal.com) RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/neovenator/BxVy Details: I post one photo every weekday, and I try to keep text to a minimum. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/6/29 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Ecke has some great shots up that have never been PESOs. Under normal circumstances I would have missed them completely. Thank you Rick, I'll post everything once I get the hang of posterous and once I'm comfortable with my selections. Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: It can be hard to keep up with the PDML. How is one supposed to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated? With an RSS reader. I currently have 679 subscribed feeds in Google Reader. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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679 feeds? Isn't list traffic bad enough? :-) Regards, Bob S. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: It can be hard to keep up with the PDML. How is one supposed to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated? With an RSS reader. I currently have 679 subscribed feeds in Google Reader. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.crapmanagement.com/ I post a daily photo- plus just a little blah,blah,blah - on my blog... -c -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Matthew Hunt wrote: It can be hard to keep up with the PDML. How is one supposed to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated? With an RSS reader. I currently have 679 subscribed feeds in Google Reader. I wondered the same thing as Rick. Your reply has left me feeling like Mel Smith in the 'Not The Nine O'Clock News' sketch, where his character goes into to a shop to buy a gramophone. I'm frightened to look this up on Google, in case it cross references this with more terms I've never heard of. With the certain exception of cameras, most of the stuff you heaved out twenty years ago is modern technology to me. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's for times when the list is slow. Wouldn't want to be bored now
would we?
On 6/29/2010 9:03 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
679 feeds? Isn't list traffic bad enough? :-)
Regards, Bob S.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:40 AM, Matthew Huntm...@pobox.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Rick Womerrwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
It can be hard to keep up with the PDML. How is one supposed to check each of
umpteen
photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated?
With an RSS reader. I currently have 679 subscribed feeds in Google Reader.
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http://www.mawz.ca RSS is linked from there. Always a photo, often some gear-related musings. It's mostly shot with Minolta kit these days, but the glass is often Takumars. -Adam On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:32 PM, John Celio n...@neovenator.com wrote: Traffic's been kinda slow lately, so I figure now is the time to post something like this: If you've got a photoblog, post your blog's URL and RSS feed URL (if you have one). Feel free to describe what you post or other info, but keep it brief. Feed URL would be preferable, I think, because keeping up with blogs is so much easier with an RSS Reader (I use Google Reader, but there are other options out there). To start things off, here's mine: Blog: http://blog.neovenator.com (mirrored at http://neovenator.livejournal.com) RSS: http://feeds.feedburner.com/neovenator/BxVy Details: I post one photo every weekday, and I try to keep text to a minimum. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-06-29 07:03 , Bob Sullivan wrote: 679 feeds? Isn't list traffic bad enough? :-) i have a similar quantity in my newsreader; good software makes it possible to pick and choose what to read; i scan a lot of headlines in my reader, but read relatively few articles -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-06-29 06:16 , Rick Womer wrote: How is one supposed to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated? that's what a news reader is for; lots of people use Google Reader; i use free Mac software called NetNewsWire it might be interesting to create a publicly aggregated collection of posts on PDML readers' blogs; trying to think of the lowest-effort way to do that ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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i know posterous has an autopost feature that lets me push all my posts to a lot of other sites as well as twitter alternatively, there could just be a pdml-owned posterous/or any other blog that supports this feature/ where active list members can be added as contributors cheers ecke 2010/6/29 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: On 2010-06-29 06:16 , Rick Womer wrote: How is one supposed to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated? that's what a news reader is for; lots of people use Google Reader; i use free Mac software called NetNewsWire it might be interesting to create a publicly aggregated collection of posts on PDML readers' blogs; trying to think of the lowest-effort way to do that ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-06-29 11:11 , eckinator wrote: i know posterous has an autopost feature that lets me push all my posts to a lot of other sites as well as twitter alternatively, there could just be a pdml-owned posterous/or any other blog that supports this feature/ where active list members can be added as contributors i could (relatively) easily roll out a simple Drupal site that aggregates posts from any subscriber's blog (not just Posterous), but i can't offer to host it, and i am looking for an even simpler approach i thought maybe if i built a folder of PDML-related feeds (some not from this thread) and then published it with Google Reader, this would make a nice public page: http://www.google.com/reader/public/atom/user%2F09693918770725424749%2Flabel%2Fcreative%20—%20pdml%20blogs however it doesn't seem to sort by latest published; maybe its better when this page in turn is subscribed to by RSS (which i can't seem do, perhaps because my reader is in turn synced to Google Reader) anyway, other ideas are welcome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:33 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: however it doesn't seem to sort by latest published; maybe its better when this page in turn is subscribed to by RSS (which i can't seem do, perhaps because my reader is in turn synced to Google Reader) I subscribed to it in Google Reader and it looked like it was sorted by photographer, not date. I've tried a quick test using Yahoo Pipes, which seems like a good tool for this. It has 3 RSS sources for testing: My own Flickr photostream, and the photoblogs of John Celio and Mr. Eckinator. The three sources are combined with a union operator, sorted by publication date, and sent to the output. The pipe overview page is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d The associated RSS feed is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d_render=rss For some reason, Google Reader is throwing an error when I try to subscribe to the RSS feed. IE's RSS previewer looks OK. Not sure what's going on. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/6/29 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: I've tried a quick test using Yahoo Pipes, which seems like a good tool for this. It has 3 RSS sources for testing: My own Flickr photostream, and the photoblogs of John Celio and Mr. Eckinator. The three sources are combined with a union operator, sorted by publication date, and sent to the output. The pipe overview page is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d The associated RSS feed is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d_render=rss For some reason, Google Reader is throwing an error when I try to subscribe to the RSS feed. IE's RSS previewer looks OK. Not sure what's going on. Not sure either but those lamb chops are giving me the munchies. I think I'll go break out my toishi in preparation Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Come to think of it this idea of having one PDML blog hub is even more brilliant since you wouldn't have to be a member of all kinds of sites and networks any more. I am not good at maintaining all of these networks, I have a dead LinkedIn profile, a dead Xing profile, a dead MySpace account, a facebook account used only to add people and find them on the net if needed, a posterous because I like the absolute ease of posting, four web domains I am not using, Picasa web albums that are not open to the public, a fotocommunity premium membership coupon that will probably expire some time soon and so on and so forth... having all of this combined somewhere, somewho would probably mean a huge relief to more than just yours truly... cheers ecke 2010/6/29 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com: 2010/6/29 Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com: I've tried a quick test using Yahoo Pipes, which seems like a good tool for this. It has 3 RSS sources for testing: My own Flickr photostream, and the photoblogs of John Celio and Mr. Eckinator. The three sources are combined with a union operator, sorted by publication date, and sent to the output. The pipe overview page is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d The associated RSS feed is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d_render=rss For some reason, Google Reader is throwing an error when I try to subscribe to the RSS feed. IE's RSS previewer looks OK. Not sure what's going on. Not sure either but those lamb chops are giving me the munchies. I think I'll go break out my toishi in preparation Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It can be hard to keep up with the PDML. How is one supposed to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated? Rick, the whole idea of an RSS reader is to collect all the blogs (and other frequently-updated sites) you read into one central location. I follow dozens of blogs, photoblogs, webcomics and other sites with RSS feeds, and whenever they post something new it shows up in my Google Reader (http://www.google.com/reader). Most of each new post's content shows up in my reader, too, but some blogs choose to have you click a link to their actual site to see the new post. Either way, I know there's something new on all my favorite sites shortly after it's been posted. I don't post PESOs very often because I pretty much lurk here all the time. It doesn't seem fair to ask people for comments on my photos when I almost never comment on anyone else's. I thought this would be an easy way to help people like me let others know that we do frequently post photos, just not here so much. I'm looking forward to adding all the blogs people have posted and seeing what they share with the world. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/jacelio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/6/29 John Celio n...@neovenator.com: I don't post PESOs very often because I pretty much lurk here all the time. It doesn't seem fair to ask people for comments on my photos when I almost never comment on anyone else's. This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why... My €0.02 Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-06-29 12:58 , Matthew Hunt wrote: The pipe overview page is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d The associated RSS feed is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d_render=rss good call on using Yahoo Pipes! i set a few up quite some time ago and then never came back ... the sorting, and lack of ads, is good; i stuffed my whole (incomplete) list into a pipe and the result is pretty satisfying, except that the authors of each post are missing: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=f5929deb68fb2fdaf8d6fd401daceaec feed: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=f5929deb68fb2fdaf8d6fd401daceaec_render=rss -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
Hi Ecke, This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why... My €0.02 It did happen at one time, again back in the days when Shel B used to post regularly. There were one or two 'heated discussions' and the more critical comments slowly subsided. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: It can be hard to keep up with the PDML. How is one supposed to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if they've been updated? Ecke has some great shots up that have never been PESOs. Under normal circumstances I would have missed them completely. How does one share comments with others, let alone have a discussion? I think Godfrey has done it well, by posting photoblog entries as PESOs. I hope others do the same. Thank you. Trying to keep up with mailing lists, blogs, online magazines, etc, for both personal and professional purposes, has become a large task and a time sink. I find for myself that if I don't limit my email/list/forum/etc interactions somewhat, I don't have time to get any work done. The tactic I've taken is to subscribe to a small number of blogs via RSS feeds. If a blog does not have an RSS feed, I'll likely follow it very little. I skim the RSS feeds on a daily basis and pick/choose what I can afford the time to get involved with. I can't track all the messages on the PDML by a long shot ... ! -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
I hear you Malcolm, ty for letting me know. Too bad though... Ecke 2010/6/29 Malcolm Smith malcolmsmi...@btinternet.com: Hi Ecke, This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why... My €0.02 It did happen at one time, again back in the days when Shel B used to post regularly. There were one or two 'heated discussions' and the more critical comments slowly subsided. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Problem
Is falk lumo a lurker on this list? i read the name a few times back during the k-7 discussions but don't remember seeing a single post here so i am a little surprised to see him in that pipes page cheers ecke 2010/6/29 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: On 2010-06-29 12:58 , Matthew Hunt wrote: The pipe overview page is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d The associated RSS feed is: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=a2521ccc1cd0ae6146b25b4cbbe1244d_render=rss good call on using Yahoo Pipes! i set a few up quite some time ago and then never came back ... the sorting, and lack of ads, is good; i stuffed my whole (incomplete) list into a pipe and the result is pretty satisfying, except that the authors of each post are missing: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.info?_id=f5929deb68fb2fdaf8d6fd401daceaec feed: http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=f5929deb68fb2fdaf8d6fd401daceaec_render=rss -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
What happened to Shel? His comments could be hard to take, but I miss them. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/6/29 Malcolm Smith malcolmsmi...@btinternet.com: Hi Ecke, This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why... My €0.02 It did happen at one time, again back in the days when Shel B used to post regularly. There were one or two 'heated discussions' and the more critical comments slowly subsided. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote: In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...] I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/6/29 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email. Whenever you see fit in my case, please by all means do. Thanks Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
I can see why you do Doug. But don't you think others could learn from those honest comments? In other words: Please feel free to criticise me in public. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/6/29 Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com: On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote: In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...] I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
On 2010-06-29 17:22, Tim Øsleby wrote: I can see why you do Doug. But don't you think others could learn from those honest comments? Yes, learning can surely occur in these situations, with some caveats (lots of open minds, civility by all parties, ...). Unfortunately, I've seen it devolve into nastiness and ruin friendships and such far too often. Not to mention that it's the way I was raised, praise in public, criticize in private, as one form of politeness. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-06-29 15:15 , eckinator wrote: Is falk lumo a lurker on this list? heh - probably not, i just looked through my photo-related blogs for names i recognized or mentions of pentax; i'll take it off -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
--- On Tue, 6/29/10, Doug Franklin jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote: I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email. It's all in how it's done. Incorrect: That photo is a steaming dungheap so foul that even flies avoid it. Correct: That is an interesting subject, but the photo would be better if you included the subject's head, had him in focus, and reduced the exposure by 2 stops or so. I appreciate appreciative comments on my PESOs, but would welcome a lot more public polite constructive criticism. Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution
He has heath issues.
On 6/29/2010 5:18 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:
What happened to Shel?
His comments could be hard to take, but I miss them.
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2010/6/29 Malcolm Smithmalcolmsmi...@btinternet.com:
Hi Ecke,
This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten
times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the
etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I
rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an
enormous difference in the number of positive responses per image so
the going rule seems to be nihil nisi bene for most people and I
tend to do the same thing because of not wanting to step on any
toes... By the number of responses to my recent PESOs people were
mostly underwhelmed by them so it would help me a lot to know why...
My €0.02
It did happen at one time, again back in the days when Shel B used to post
regularly. There were one or two 'heated discussions' and the more critical
comments slowly subsided.
Malcolm
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