Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11/08/2009, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote:
 A couple more comments after readings all posts :)

   - A logger is easier to use but most of them have built-in battery
 you can't remove. What if it is depleted? Sucks huh? Even if it is
 removable, one more charger :(
   - I dunno if some loggers use AA or AAA. That would be an answer.
 Autonomy is often questionable (like 5-10 hours max).

This is a pain however I'm currently in the process of designing a
universal USB power source (using a precision high efficiency DC-DC
converter) to energise my array of USB powered devices. So I will be
running most gear off rechargeable AA cells of which I have an
abundance.

   - AFAIK most loggers or phones will get basic GPS reception meaning
 less accuracy than specific GPS receivers (but is it important for
 logging purposes? I dunno).

My GPS enabled phone achieves TTFF quite fast (as I have the ephemeris
file regularly auto DL) and the PDOP values are often as low as 1.6 so
the precision is quite good and seems to be more than adequate for
geotagging.
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RE: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-12 Thread Bob W
 
 My GPS enabled phone achieves TTFF quite fast (as I have the 
 ephemeris file regularly auto DL) and the PDOP values are 
 often as low as 1.6 so the precision is quite good and seems 
 to be more than adequate for geotagging.

Yea, I'd been wondering about that...

Bob


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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-12 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/12/2009 11:11:58 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
p...@web-options.com writes:
 My GPS enabled phone  achieves TTFF quite fast (as I have the 
 ephemeris file regularly auto  DL) and the PDOP values are 
 often as low as 1.6 so the precision is  quite good and seems 
 to be more than adequate for  geotagging.

Yea, I'd been wondering about  that...

Bob

=
Me too, actually. Maybe it's time to  upgrade my phone.

I've been thinking android...

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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-11 Thread Thibouille
A couple more comments after readings all posts :)

* I know I don't need GpsBabel but it is easier to plug it rather than
having to mess with the MicroSD card content. Not I don't want to, but
I didn't take time to look into it yet.
Houdah can't find the Garmin directly it seems. So GPSBabel is easier, for now.

* The type of device you chose to use has more undirect consequences
than one might think:

   - A logger is easier to use but most of them have built-in battery
you can't remove. What if it is depleted? Sucks huh? Even if it is
removable, one more charger :(
   - I dunno if some loggers use AA or AAA. That would be an answer.
Autonomy is often questionable (like 5-10 hours max).

   - You may trust a logger green LED  stating it catched satelites, I
really prefer seeing that on a screen. Dunno why, I'm more confident
that way.

   - As some did suggest, you can use smartphones (Blackberries,
iphone 3G etc.) to log GPS positions. The question is: do you want to
risk your phone's battery getting depleted by logging your positions?
I certainly don't but that's just me of course. Also, I may have chose
that if I already had a phone with GPS, much cheaper then.

   - AFAIK most loggers or phones will get basic GPS reception meaning
less accuracy than specific GPS receivers (but is it important for
logging purposes? I dunno).

   - Car GPS devices can often be hacked and used as loggers (as I
wrote already) but internal non removable battery might be annoying.

   - Specific devices will usually stay way longer on batteries. 18-20
hours on two simple AAs are the way to go for me.

   - Maps can be difficult to find or expensive :(

I'm indeed looking at any other software which has been discussed in
this thread. Thanks to everybody for your input.

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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-10 Thread Alastair Robertson
Why not Jeffrey Friedl's Lightroom plugin
http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/gps - it seems to work fine -
you can use a GPX tracklog to geoencode or manually geoencode from
Google Earth or conversely, show a location in Google earth when you
have encoded information already tagged to the file.

Alastair

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote:

 Interesting thread, this.

 I've started geotagging images using Studioline Photo
 Classic, the program I use for cataloging and managing my
 photos.  The program can read data from a portable GPS device
 but as I don't own one I'm manually geotagging.  It's not as
 slow as it sounds but obviously it's not going to be as
 accurate as using a GPS.

 I'm interested in getting a GPS device to make the geotagging
 more automatic but have no idea what's available. I'd be
 interested in any suggestions for a basic portable GPS
 device.  Studioline supports .gpx, .nmea and .kml formats.


 I use a Garmin eTrex H, which is basic and cheap, but suits my needs
 precisely.

 https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=8705ra=true

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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-10 Thread Thibouille
Brian, if you want  a GPS logger only it will be a lot cheaper but
will work just for that.
I do use (and I know Ralf does as well) a Garmin GPSMap 60cx which
recently plummeted price.
Garmin eTrex range is known as well to be good devices.

You may want to think about the intended uses of this device, it will
help chosing the good one.

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Brian Walterssupera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:25 +1000, Rob Studdert
 distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/08/2009, Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote:

  IMHO Thibouille doesn't need GPS-Babel either for retrieving track data
  from his Garmin. I have exactly the same model. It's recognized by Mac
  OS as a normal USB mass storage device and Houdah-Geo reads the files as
  they come out of the Garmin.
 
  The only case when I need GPS-Babel is when I want to convert my Garmin
  tracks to .kml files for display in Google Earth.

 I just found a near ideal Windows geotagging solution, GeoSetter, very
 nice, looks like it will do everything I need. My GPS device allows me
 to export tracks in various formats including .kml so I don't need
 GPS-Babel at all now :-)



 Interesting thread, this.

 I've started geotagging images using Studioline Photo Classic, the
 program I use for cataloging and managing my photos.  The program can
 read data from a portable GPS device but as I don't own one I'm manually
 geotagging.  It's not as slow as it sounds but obviously it's not going
 to be as accurate as using a GPS.

 I'm interested in getting a GPS device to make the geotagging more
 automatic but have no idea what's available. I'd be interested in any
 suggestions for a basic portable GPS device.  Studioline supports .gpx,
 .nmea and .kml formats.



 Cheers

 Brian

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RE: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-10 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks, Bob

That looks simple enough for what I have in mind.



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On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:22 +0100, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
  
  Interesting thread, this.
  
  I've started geotagging images using Studioline Photo 
  Classic, the program I use for cataloging and managing my 
  photos.  The program can read data from a portable GPS device 
  but as I don't own one I'm manually geotagging.  It's not as 
  slow as it sounds but obviously it's not going to be as 
  accurate as using a GPS.
  
  I'm interested in getting a GPS device to make the geotagging 
  more automatic but have no idea what's available. I'd be 
  interested in any suggestions for a basic portable GPS 
  device.  Studioline supports .gpx, .nmea and .kml formats.
  
 
 I use a Garmin eTrex H, which is basic and cheap, but suits my needs
 precisely.
 
 https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=8705ra=true
 
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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-10 Thread SV Hovland
There are multiple solutions, including some small devices
(mouse-like) which became quite commoncalled gps loggers and full
featured GPS devices.

Another GPS device could be your cell phone. More and more of them does have a 
GPS built in.

I have made a small and easy to use gps logger for Windows Mobile smartphones. 
It log in standard gpx format.

A version for touch screen based devices are here: 
http://download.heime.org/GPSlogger_setup.CAB

And a version for smartphone without touchscreen are here: 
http://download.heime.org/GPSlogger_Smartphone_setup.CAB


Both are free to use. I have tested it on HTC phones. My HTC S740 can log for 
up to 8 hours on a full battery.

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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-10 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:13 +0200, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Brian, if you want  a GPS logger only it will be a lot cheaper but
 will work just for that.
 I do use (and I know Ralf does as well) a Garmin GPSMap 60cx which
 recently plummeted price.
 Garmin eTrex range is known as well to be good devices.
 
 You may want to think about the intended uses of this device, it will
 help chosing the good one.
 


The intended use would be purely for geotagging.  I don't really need a
GPS for any other purpose. The Garmin eTrexh that Bob mentioned looks
about right but I'll check out the other options as well.  I'm not in
any particular hurry to make a decision.



Cheers

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 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Brian Walterssupera1...@fastmail.fm
 wrote:
  On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:25 +1000, Rob Studdert
  distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 10/08/2009, Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote:
 
   IMHO Thibouille doesn't need GPS-Babel either for retrieving track data
   from his Garmin. I have exactly the same model. It's recognized by Mac
   OS as a normal USB mass storage device and Houdah-Geo reads the files as
   they come out of the Garmin.
  
   The only case when I need GPS-Babel is when I want to convert my Garmin
   tracks to .kml files for display in Google Earth.
 
  I just found a near ideal Windows geotagging solution, GeoSetter, very
  nice, looks like it will do everything I need. My GPS device allows me
  to export tracks in various formats including .kml so I don't need
  GPS-Babel at all now :-)
 
 
 
  Interesting thread, this.
 
  I've started geotagging images using Studioline Photo Classic, the
  program I use for cataloging and managing my photos.  The program can
  read data from a portable GPS device but as I don't own one I'm manually
  geotagging.  It's not as slow as it sounds but obviously it's not going
  to be as accurate as using a GPS.
 
  I'm interested in getting a GPS device to make the geotagging more
  automatic but have no idea what's available. I'd be interested in any
  suggestions for a basic portable GPS device.  Studioline supports .gpx,
  .nmea and .kml formats.
 
 
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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-10 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:13 +1200, Alastair Robertson
kiwibiolog...@gmail.com wrote:
 Why not Jeffrey Friedl's Lightroom plugin
 http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/gps - it seems to work fine -
 you can use a GPX tracklog to geoencode or manually geoencode from
 Google Earth or conversely, show a location in Google earth when you
 have encoded information already tagged to the file.
 
 Alastair



That plugin looks useful but not to me as I don't use Lightroom (one of
the few, apparently :-)  )



Cheers

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 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Bob Wp...@web-options.com wrote:
 
  Interesting thread, this.
 
  I've started geotagging images using Studioline Photo
  Classic, the program I use for cataloging and managing my
  photos.  The program can read data from a portable GPS device
  but as I don't own one I'm manually geotagging.  It's not as
  slow as it sounds but obviously it's not going to be as
  accurate as using a GPS.
 
  I'm interested in getting a GPS device to make the geotagging
  more automatic but have no idea what's available. I'd be
  interested in any suggestions for a basic portable GPS
  device.  Studioline supports .gpx, .nmea and .kml formats.
 
 
  I use a Garmin eTrex H, which is basic and cheap, but suits my needs
  precisely.
 
  https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=8705ra=true
 
  Bob
 
 
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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10/08/2009, SV Hovland p...@heime.org wrote:

 Another GPS device could be your cell phone. More and more of them does have 
 a GPS built in.

 I have made a small and easy to use gps logger for Windows Mobile 
 smartphones. It log in standard gpx format.

 A version for touch screen based devices are here: 
 http://download.heime.org/GPSlogger_setup.CAB

 And a version for smartphone without touchscreen are here: 
 http://download.heime.org/GPSlogger_Smartphone_setup.CAB


 Both are free to use. I have tested it on HTC phones. My HTC S740 can log for 
 up to 8 hours on a full battery.

Hi Stig,

Very cool, I've got it running on my A702 now. Many phones contain the
same GPS chip sets that the Garmin and other hand held do. My phone
also has provisions for an external antenna so it's not a poor cousin
to a dedicated GPS. Battery longevity is the main issue but this can
be overcome fairly easily when the unit is being used as a logger.

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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-10 Thread SV Hovland
:-)

My goal was to keep this program simple and fast and easy to use. But if there 
is anything you want added or fixed, please let me know.

PS. There is a turn of light function in the menu. I saw on my HTC X7500 
phone that it would not turn of light automatically, but it does this 
automatically on my HTC S740.


Stig Vidar


Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] p#229; vegne av Rob 
Studdert 
Emne: Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)


Very cool, I've got it running on my A702 now. Many phones contain the
same GPS chip sets that the Garmin and other hand held do. My phone
also has provisions for an external antenna so it's not a poor cousin
to a dedicated GPS. Battery longevity is the main issue but this can
be overcome fairly easily when the unit is being used as a logger.
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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10/08/2009, SV Hovland p...@heime.org wrote:
 :-)

 My goal was to keep this program simple and fast and easy to use. But if 
 there is anything you want added or fixed, please let me know.

 PS. There is a turn of light function in the menu. I saw on my HTC X7500 
 phone that it would not turn of light automatically, but it does this 
 automatically on my HTC S740.

Hi Stig,

Yes I found the light function, nice touch, I like the Sun rise/set
indicator too ;-)

How easy would it be to provide an option to display Long/Lat in
decimal notation?

The other apps I've been using are BeeLineGPS (which is a good
geocaching/tracking logger but doesn't allow map overlays and it has a
Disable automatic power suspend option). The other little one I was
playing with was GPSed, the integrated street nav application is great
in a vehicle but no good for trekking. Fortunately we have choice ;-)

I noticed that the file is autosaved and closed at 1000 log entries
then new file is started. How easy is it to concatenate these files?

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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-10 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/9/2009 6:18:48 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
pentaxl...@gmail.com writes:
Lightroom will allow for  displaying a Googlemaps page with location if
Iclick on the GPS coords in  metadata.

All in all, very happy with my purchase. Very easy to use and  very useful.

Regards,

PS: this tutorial may get your  interest:
http://www.gavingough.com/workshops/online-tutorials/adding-gps-geodata-in-l
ightroom/

PS2:  some car GPS devices can be hacked as to keep a tracklog even if
they are not  supposed to.
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==
Totally cool. Wonder what software there is  for the PC (not Mac)? I didn't 
know LR would do that.

I know, I'll read  the rest of the thread and see if anyone suggests 
anything. Heh.

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RE: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-10 Thread SV Hovland

 How easy would it be to provide an option to display Long/Lat in
 decimal notation?


 I noticed that the file is autosaved and closed at 1000 log entries
 then new file is started. How easy is it to concatenate these files?

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Hi

I have added decimal display, added more options regarding auto save and added 
morning twilight. Both pocketpc and smartphone cab's are updated.


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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-09 Thread Rob Studdert
On 09/08/2009, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Using GPSbabel (freeware) to extract the log out of the device is very
 easy and Houdahgeo (about 25 dollars) for tagging the pictures
 automaticaly based on the tracklog is easy as well.

Funny you should mention this, just a few hours ago I was
experimenting tagging my images too. I'm using a portable GPS device
that generates GPX track log files directly. I shouldn't need to use
GPSbabel but some Geotagging apps seem to need the files trans coded
from GPX to GPX format ;-(

In any case to this point I've tried two freeware geotaggers, geotag
(java app) and GPicSync (windows based) both have their advantages but
neither is really straight forward to use. Hopefully I'll find
something like HoudahGeo for the PC.

If anyone has any suggestions decent geotagging software (that handles
Pentax RAW, DNG and JPG) under Windows I'm all ears.

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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-09 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Funny you should mention this, just a few hours ago I was
 experimenting tagging my images too. I'm using a portable GPS device
 that generates GPX track log files directly. I shouldn't need to use
 GPSbabel but some Geotagging apps seem to need the files trans coded
 from GPX to GPX format ;-(

IMHO Thibouille doesn't need GPS-Babel either for retrieving track data
from his Garmin. I have exactly the same model. It's recognized by Mac
OS as a normal USB mass storage device and Houdah-Geo reads the files as
they come out of the Garmin.

The only case when I need GPS-Babel is when I want to convert my Garmin
tracks to .kml files for display in Google Earth.

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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-09 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10/08/2009, Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote:

 IMHO Thibouille doesn't need GPS-Babel either for retrieving track data
 from his Garmin. I have exactly the same model. It's recognized by Mac
 OS as a normal USB mass storage device and Houdah-Geo reads the files as
 they come out of the Garmin.

 The only case when I need GPS-Babel is when I want to convert my Garmin
 tracks to .kml files for display in Google Earth.

I just found a near ideal Windows geotagging solution, GeoSetter, very
nice, looks like it will do everything I need. My GPS device allows me
to export tracks in various formats including .kml so I don't need
GPS-Babel at all now :-)

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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-09 Thread Doug Franklin

Hi Thibouille,

Thibouille wrote:

I thought that about 100 Euros for that was maybe a bit steep but
realized I could make a better investment and got myself a Garmin
Gpsmap 60cx. The exact model isn't important of course.
IMO paying 250 Euros for a device I can use while cycling, driving a
car, walking, can find a route and show a mapis a better deal than gps
logger (just my thoughts).


I was faced with a similar thing when I went to Bulgaria last year.  I 
ended up with a Garmin eTrex (forget which model, maybe Legend).  The 
eTrex line is intended for people out in the landscape, rather than on 
the roads, so it doesn't have much road map in the default set, and it 
doesn't talk your directions to you.  But it logs and has better topo 
maps built in than the car ones.  The best part was finding free high 
detail maps for Bulgaria created by Bulgarians for the specific purpose 
of giving them away!



Using GPSbabel (freeware) to extract the log out of the device is very
easy and Houdahgeo (about 25 dollars) for tagging the pictures
automaticaly based on the tracklog is easy as well.


I used GPicSync, which does both steps at once.  It's a Google Code 
project and is free under the GPLv2.



PS2: some car GPS devices can be hacked as to keep a tracklog even if
they are not supposed to.


The problem I found with the ones meant to be put in a car was battery 
life when they weren't hooked up to the car's power.  The ones I looked 
at had ratings in the range of five to ten hours on batteries.  The one 
I got was rated for 18 or 20 hours, and when I put lithium AAs in it I 
got about 50 hours of use out of a set.


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Re: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-09 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:25 +1000, Rob Studdert
distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 10/08/2009, Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de wrote:
 
  IMHO Thibouille doesn't need GPS-Babel either for retrieving track data
  from his Garmin. I have exactly the same model. It's recognized by Mac
  OS as a normal USB mass storage device and Houdah-Geo reads the files as
  they come out of the Garmin.
 
  The only case when I need GPS-Babel is when I want to convert my Garmin
  tracks to .kml files for display in Google Earth.
 
 I just found a near ideal Windows geotagging solution, GeoSetter, very
 nice, looks like it will do everything I need. My GPS device allows me
 to export tracks in various formats including .kml so I don't need
 GPS-Babel at all now :-)
 


Interesting thread, this.

I've started geotagging images using Studioline Photo Classic, the
program I use for cataloging and managing my photos.  The program can
read data from a portable GPS device but as I don't own one I'm manually
geotagging.  It's not as slow as it sounds but obviously it's not going
to be as accurate as using a GPS.

I'm interested in getting a GPS device to make the geotagging more
automatic but have no idea what's available. I'd be interested in any
suggestions for a basic portable GPS device.  Studioline supports .gpx,
.nmea and .kml formats.



Cheers

Brian

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RE: First thoughts: GPS, geocoding (Mac, Lightroom)

2009-08-09 Thread Bob W
 
 Interesting thread, this.
 
 I've started geotagging images using Studioline Photo 
 Classic, the program I use for cataloging and managing my 
 photos.  The program can read data from a portable GPS device 
 but as I don't own one I'm manually geotagging.  It's not as 
 slow as it sounds but obviously it's not going to be as 
 accurate as using a GPS.
 
 I'm interested in getting a GPS device to make the geotagging 
 more automatic but have no idea what's available. I'd be 
 interested in any suggestions for a basic portable GPS 
 device.  Studioline supports .gpx, .nmea and .kml formats.
 

I use a Garmin eTrex H, which is basic and cheap, but suits my needs
precisely.

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=8705ra=true

Bob


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