Re: OSX 10.9 download
Unless so many want it that it's bogging down at the other end. On 12/19/2013 11:09 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Godfrey, You either have a slow internet service or your service is very slow. :-) With a 10-15 Mbit/s home cable (which is standard here, unless you get the absolute minimum, which is 1 Mbit/s which they no longer offer in some service areas), 4 GB would take some 35-55 minutes to download. And I am not even talking about 50 or 100 Mbit/s that Suddenlink offers with docsis 3.0 modems. The speed you are describing (2.75 GB over 3 hours) corresponds to 0.25 MB/s which is equivalent to about 2 Mbit/s. Igor On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi at me.com wrote: You should see the progress bar in the App Store app showing it downloading. It's a very large download . 4 or 5 gigabytes plus . which will take overnight on most home network services. (I have decent service here; a 2.75G file I needed from the office took almost three hours to download. At the office, it would have taken four minutes.) If you continue to have trouble downloading it, I'd recommend going to an Apple Retail Store if there's one reasonably nearby and doing the download and installation there. They can also suss out for you if there's some other problem. G On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote: I click download on the App Store. And the word downloading appears. Then nothing. Am I missing something? Paul via phone -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
I *always* wait for at least the first bug-fix update to a new OS rather than installing it the moment it becomes available. If you install a point zero OS you are basically an unpaid, real world, beta tester for the company. There's a reason they call it the bleeding edge. On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:29 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: Unless so many want it that it's bogging down at the other end. On 12/19/2013 11:09 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Godfrey, You either have a slow internet service or your service is very slow. :-) With a 10-15 Mbit/s home cable (which is standard here, unless you get the absolute minimum, which is 1 Mbit/s which they no longer offer in some service areas), 4 GB would take some 35-55 minutes to download. And I am not even talking about 50 or 100 Mbit/s that Suddenlink offers with docsis 3.0 modems. The speed you are describing (2.75 GB over 3 hours) corresponds to 0.25 MB/s which is equivalent to about 2 Mbit/s. Igor On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi at me.com wrote: You should see the progress bar in the App Store app showing it downloading. It's a very large download . 4 or 5 gigabytes plus . which will take overnight on most home network services. (I have decent service here; a 2.75G file I needed from the office took almost three hours to download. At the office, it would have taken four minutes.) If you continue to have trouble downloading it, I'd recommend going to an Apple Retail Store if there's one reasonably nearby and doing the download and installation there. They can also suss out for you if there's some other problem. G On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote: I click download on the App Store. And the word downloading appears. Then nothing. Am I missing something? Paul via phone -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
BTW, I am effectively a 'paid' tester. It's part of my job. I see the releases of various things several weeks to months before end users, and generally have to suffer through correcting development issues, living on alphas and betas, that no end users will ever see. :-) Godfrey On Dec 20, 2013, at 7:38 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: If you install a point zero OS you are basically an unpaid, real world, beta tester for the company. There's a reason they call it the bleeding edge. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
The update, OS X 10.9.1, shipped last week. I've been living on it in testing for a couple of weeks. It does indeed solve a couple of the very minor aberrations I found running Mavericks in its initial release. Godfrey On Dec 20, 2013, at 7:38 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I *always* wait for at least the first bug-fix update to a new OS rather than installing it the moment it becomes available. If you install a point zero OS you are basically an unpaid, real world, beta tester for the company. There's a reason they call it the bleeding edge. On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:29 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: Unless so many want it that it's bogging down at the other end. On 12/19/2013 11:09 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Godfrey, You either have a slow internet service or your service is very slow. :-) With a 10-15 Mbit/s home cable (which is standard here, unless you get the absolute minimum, which is 1 Mbit/s which they no longer offer in some service areas), 4 GB would take some 35-55 minutes to download. And I am not even talking about 50 or 100 Mbit/s that Suddenlink offers with docsis 3.0 modems. The speed you are describing (2.75 GB over 3 hours) corresponds to 0.25 MB/s which is equivalent to about 2 Mbit/s. Igor On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi at me.com wrote: You should see the progress bar in the App Store app showing it downloading. It's a very large download . 4 or 5 gigabytes plus . which will take overnight on most home network services. (I have decent service here; a 2.75G file I needed from the office took almost three hours to download. At the office, it would have taken four minutes.) If you continue to have trouble downloading it, I'd recommend going to an Apple Retail Store if there's one reasonably nearby and doing the download and installation there. They can also suss out for you if there's some other problem. G On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote: I click download on the App Store. And the word downloading appears. Then nothing. Am I missing something? Paul via phone -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
Igor, You are always a numbers geek, aren't you? ;-) I misspoke, was speaking off the top of my head... Checked my diagnostics log: the actual download time was 1 hour, 43 minutes. The file was 2.67 Gbytes in size. My nominal service is 6Mbits per second download, the current measured download speed is 5.62 Mbits per second, which translates to 2023 Mbytes per hour, or a download time at current download speed of 1.31 hours. Accommodating download measured speed fluctuations, that's pretty close. My service speed was maxed by the service' aDSL switch to 6Mbit/sec when I set it up. I could upgrade to nominal 12Mbit/sec now, since they upgraded the switch, which should see that DL time cut in half, approximately, presuming the measured speed runs as close percentage-wise to the nominal as it does now. That puts it into the ballpark of your estimate. This is the fastest local service in the area for my condo, the measured rates on home cable I've seen top out at 8 to 10 Mbits/sec. There's nothing I can do about that without buying in a different area. ;-) Needless to say, a 5-6 Gbyte file is still a very large data transfer and takes quite a bit of time on a reliable home internet connection to complete. If there are any errors and retries in transmission, it will take longer. Apple Retail Stores have usually have reliable connections much faster than home internet services. At the office, I have connection speeds (wired ethernet) that are many times faster than what I can get at home. The Mavericks installer takes about six minutes to download there, again off the top of my head. G On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: You either have a slow internet service or your service is very slow. :-) With a 10-15 Mbit/s home cable (which is standard here, unless you get the absolute minimum, which is 1 Mbit/s which they no longer offer in some service areas), 4 GB would take some 35-55 minutes to download. And I am not even talking about 50 or 100 Mbit/s that Suddenlink offers with docsis 3.0 modems. The speed you are describing (2.75 GB over 3 hours) corresponds to 0.25 MB/s which is equivalent to about 2 Mbit/s. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
Godfrey, that is interesting. Are you doing that as your job responsibilities (are you still working at Apple?), or as a part of a special group as a side gig? As for beta versions (when pronounced as in Greek (and possibly British?): [be-te]), I like the saying that it is called that way because it is betta than nothin' . Cheers, Igor Fri Dec 20 10:52:10 EST 2013 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: BTW, I am effectively a 'paid' tester. It's part of my job. I see the releases of various things several weeks to months before end users, and generally have to suffer through correcting development issues, living on alphas and betas, that no end users will ever see. :-) Godfrey On Dec 20, 2013, at 7:38 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmithy at gmail.com wrote: If you install a point zero OS you are basically an unpaid, real world, beta tester for the company. There's a reason they call it the bleeding edge. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
Yes. Godfrey On Dec 20, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Are you doing that as your job responsibilities (are you still working at Apple? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
Better than being a bête noire. On 12/20/2013 12:08 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Godfrey, that is interesting. Are you doing that as your job responsibilities (are you still working at Apple?), or as a part of a special group as a side gig? As for beta versions (when pronounced as in Greek (and possibly British?): [be-te]), I like the saying that it is called that way because it is betta than nothin' . Cheers, Igor Fri Dec 20 10:52:10 EST 2013 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: BTW, I am effectively a 'paid' tester. It's part of my job. I see the releases of various things several weeks to months before end users, and generally have to suffer through correcting development issues, living on alphas and betas, that no end users will ever see. :-) Godfrey On Dec 20, 2013, at 7:38 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmithy at gmail.com wrote: If you install a point zero OS you are basically an unpaid, real world, beta tester for the company. There's a reason they call it the bleeding edge. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
You should see the progress bar in the App Store app showing it downloading. It's a very large download … 4 or 5 gigabytes plus … which will take overnight on most home network services. (I have decent service here; a 2.75G file I needed from the office took almost three hours to download. At the office, it would have taken four minutes.) If you continue to have trouble downloading it, I'd recommend going to an Apple Retail Store if there's one reasonably nearby and doing the download and installation there. They can also suss out for you if there's some other problem. G On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I click download on the App Store. And the word downloading appears. Then nothing. Am I missing something? Paul via phone -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
Thanks Godfrey. It downloaded in about 30 minutes. I thought I'd see a progress bar in the download folder. Paul via phone On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: You should see the progress bar in the App Store app showing it downloading. It's a very large download … 4 or 5 gigabytes plus … which will take overnight on most home network services. (I have decent service here; a 2.75G file I needed from the office took almost three hours to download. At the office, it would have taken four minutes.) If you continue to have trouble downloading it, I'd recommend going to an Apple Retail Store if there's one reasonably nearby and doing the download and installation there. They can also suss out for you if there's some other problem. G On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I click download on the App Store. And the word downloading appears. Then nothing. Am I missing something? Paul via phone -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
But my startup hard drive is toast. Of course I have multiple backups. Paul via phone On Dec 19, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks Godfrey. It downloaded in about 30 minutes. I thought I'd see a progress bar in the download folder. Paul via phone On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: You should see the progress bar in the App Store app showing it downloading. It's a very large download … 4 or 5 gigabytes plus … which will take overnight on most home network services. (I have decent service here; a 2.75G file I needed from the office took almost three hours to download. At the office, it would have taken four minutes.) If you continue to have trouble downloading it, I'd recommend going to an Apple Retail Store if there's one reasonably nearby and doing the download and installation there. They can also suss out for you if there's some other problem. G On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I click download on the App Store. And the word downloading appears. Then nothing. Am I missing something? Paul via phone -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
on 2013-12-19 17:58 Paul Stenquist wrote I click download on the App Store. And the word downloading appears. Then nothing. Am I missing something? Apple lately seems to assume everyone has immense bandwidth and thus needs no feedback about anything coming down the pipe … a tip, for others if not you, Paul: you can quit the App Store and see the download status as a lo-fi thermometer in an icon in Launchpad; you can click on this icon to pause the download if you temporarily need bandwidth for something else; click again to resume i know this because i have just completed the 5.3GB download over the last three days on my 60KB/s crap DSL; now i've got two SSDs to install in two laptops and a bunch of cloning and deauthorizing/reauthorizing to do -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
Godfrey, You either have a slow internet service or your service is very slow. :-) With a 10-15 Mbit/s home cable (which is standard here, unless you get the absolute minimum, which is 1 Mbit/s which they no longer offer in some service areas), 4 GB would take some 35-55 minutes to download. And I am not even talking about 50 or 100 Mbit/s that Suddenlink offers with docsis 3.0 modems. The speed you are describing (2.75 GB over 3 hours) corresponds to 0.25 MB/s which is equivalent to about 2 Mbit/s. Igor On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigiorgi at me.com wrote: You should see the progress bar in the App Store app showing it downloading. It's a very large download . 4 or 5 gigabytes plus . which will take overnight on most home network services. (I have decent service here; a 2.75G file I needed from the office took almost three hours to download. At the office, it would have taken four minutes.) If you continue to have trouble downloading it, I'd recommend going to an Apple Retail Store if there's one reasonably nearby and doing the download and installation there. They can also suss out for you if there's some other problem. G On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net wrote: I click download on the App Store. And the word downloading appears. Then nothing. Am I missing something? Paul via phone -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OSX 10.9 download
On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:21 pm, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks Godfrey. It downloaded in about 30 minutes. I thought I'd see a progress bar in the download folder. I think it displays progress under Purchases. I have a paused download there... I had installed XCode as an easy way to get an svn client because the other tips I found were far too much trouble. So now it keeps bugging me to upgrade each time XCode is updated. Trouble is, it's usually 1Gb+ and I don't use anything from the package other than svn. First world problems, I know :) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
