Re: FS - 645 and lenses
I own similar kit with 35/55/200 lens + 120/220 inserts. So only 120 macro missing. I would like to get only these 120 macro lens :) Gasha eckinator wrote: 2010/8/9 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: Not sure why you don't want to deal with Ebay. I offered my two lens Pentax 645 kit to KEH.com and they offered me a total of $260 for everything. I put the same gear up for sale on Ebay and netted $950 after expenses. $700 is worth a little bit of effort IMO. I very much agree. Of course you win and lose some but you can influence that by letting your listing run out at the right time of day of week and by offering a detailed and well illustrated description and so on. I've so far never sold anything at a large loss and almost everything went at a profit, once even huge - picked up a Novoflex bellows and lens and slide duplicator/hood bellows to go on front, all for Minolta/Sony AF and all for € 74,22 just because it was a steal, listed it again and came out with € 396.71 so all other losses I ever made in the bay were covered for... I'd love to take that kit off your hands but have no way of paying for it at this time and don't see myself in a position to own a 645D any time soon so I tend to agree eBay is your best option. Good luck selling Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS - 645 and lenses
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, guys. I really don't want to sell it, but I kinda need the cash. If it doesn't generate any interest within the next couple days it's going to KEH. Or maybe eBay. Probably KEH, because I just don't want to deal with eBay. Not sure why you don't want to deal with Ebay. I offered my two lens Pentax 645 kit to KEH.com and they offered me a total of $260 for everything. I put the same gear up for sale on Ebay and netted $950 after expenses. $700 is worth a little bit of effort IMO. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS - 645 and lenses
2010/8/9 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: Not sure why you don't want to deal with Ebay. I offered my two lens Pentax 645 kit to KEH.com and they offered me a total of $260 for everything. I put the same gear up for sale on Ebay and netted $950 after expenses. $700 is worth a little bit of effort IMO. I very much agree. Of course you win and lose some but you can influence that by letting your listing run out at the right time of day of week and by offering a detailed and well illustrated description and so on. I've so far never sold anything at a large loss and almost everything went at a profit, once even huge - picked up a Novoflex bellows and lens and slide duplicator/hood bellows to go on front, all for Minolta/Sony AF and all for € 74,22 just because it was a steal, listed it again and came out with € 396.71 so all other losses I ever made in the bay were covered for... I'd love to take that kit off your hands but have no way of paying for it at this time and don't see myself in a position to own a 645D any time soon so I tend to agree eBay is your best option. Good luck selling Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS - 645 and lenses
eckinator wrote: 2010/8/9 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: Not sure why you don't want to deal with Ebay. I offered my two lens Pentax 645 kit to KEH.com and they offered me a total of $260 for everything. I put the same gear up for sale on Ebay and netted $950 after expenses. $700 is worth a little bit of effort IMO. I very much agree. Of course you win and lose some but you can influence that by letting your listing run out at the right time of day of week and by offering a detailed and well illustrated description and so on. I've so far never sold anything at a large loss and almost everything went at a profit, once even huge - picked up a Novoflex bellows and lens and slide duplicator/hood bellows to go on front, all for Minolta/Sony AF and all for € 74,22 just because it was a steal, listed it again and came out with € 396.71 so all other losses I ever made in the bay were covered for... I'd love to take that kit off your hands but have no way of paying for it at this time and don't see myself in a position to own a 645D any time soon so I tend to agree eBay is your best option. Good luck selling Ecke Despite the annoyances these days, I agree with the guys the work is ultimately worth it if you have something of real value. Or craigs list if someone cash and carries... but thats more of a hassle and you don't get feedback points or so much protection (not that you need it if someone comes and pays you cash) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS - 645 and lenses
Just be sure that you don't meet anyone alone handling that amount of cash. There have been a couple cases in the town next to mine where several people were mugged for a couple hundred when they responded to a TV for sale. On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: eckinator wrote: 2010/8/9 Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com: Not sure why you don't want to deal with Ebay. I offered my two lens Pentax 645 kit to KEH.com and they offered me a total of $260 for everything. I put the same gear up for sale on Ebay and netted $950 after expenses. $700 is worth a little bit of effort IMO. I very much agree. Of course you win and lose some but you can influence that by letting your listing run out at the right time of day of week and by offering a detailed and well illustrated description and so on. I've so far never sold anything at a large loss and almost everything went at a profit, once even huge - picked up a Novoflex bellows and lens and slide duplicator/hood bellows to go on front, all for Minolta/Sony AF and all for € 74,22 just because it was a steal, listed it again and came out with € 396.71 so all other losses I ever made in the bay were covered for... I'd love to take that kit off your hands but have no way of paying for it at this time and don't see myself in a position to own a 645D any time soon so I tend to agree eBay is your best option. Good luck selling Ecke Despite the annoyances these days, I agree with the guys the work is ultimately worth it if you have something of real value. Or craigs list if someone cash and carries... but thats more of a hassle and you don't get feedback points or so much protection (not that you need it if someone comes and pays you cash) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS - 645 and lenses
2010/8/9 David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com: Just be sure that you don't meet anyone alone handling that amount of cash. There have been a couple cases in the town next to mine where several people were mugged for a couple hundred when they responded to a TV for sale. Ouch. I guess PayPal is your friend even for pick-up sales. BTW does anyone have any experience with Google Checkout? Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS - 645 and lenses
Wow. That's quite a deal with 4 lenses. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gang. I need to sell my 645 kit. Included are the manual focus body with front and rear caps, 120 and 220 film magazines with holders, A200/4, A120/4 Macro (best lens ever, IMHO), A45/2.8 with 45-125 hood, A35/3.5 with case. The A35 has the original front cap, the 200 and 120 have newer Pentax caps and the 45 has a generic cap. All four have original rear caps. Also included are a #1 extension tube, an extra rear lens cap and one of those big D-shaped eyepieces. $600US plus shipping for all of it. Thanks! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS - 645 and lenses
I had the money, I'd buy the whole kit then hunt up a 645D body in a heartbeat. That would be a splendid kit and would start a new line of work. On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Wow. That's quite a deal with 4 lenses. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gang. I need to sell my 645 kit. Included are the manual focus body with front and rear caps, 120 and 220 film magazines with holders, A200/4, A120/4 Macro (best lens ever, IMHO), A45/2.8 with 45-125 hood, A35/3.5 with case. The A35 has the original front cap, the 200 and 120 have newer Pentax caps and the 45 has a generic cap. All four have original rear caps. Also included are a #1 extension tube, an extra rear lens cap and one of those big D-shaped eyepieces. $600US plus shipping for all of it. Thanks! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS - 645 and lenses
If I wasn't already invested in my Mamiya 645 stuff, I'd be digging up cash right now. That's a steal for a kit that good. If you have any interest in shooting MF, snap it up now. -Adam On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: I had the money, I'd buy the whole kit then hunt up a 645D body in a heartbeat. That would be a splendid kit and would start a new line of work. On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Wow. That's quite a deal with 4 lenses. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gang. I need to sell my 645 kit. Included are the manual focus body with front and rear caps, 120 and 220 film magazines with holders, A200/4, A120/4 Macro (best lens ever, IMHO), A45/2.8 with 45-125 hood, A35/3.5 with case. The A35 has the original front cap, the 200 and 120 have newer Pentax caps and the 45 has a generic cap. All four have original rear caps. Also included are a #1 extension tube, an extra rear lens cap and one of those big D-shaped eyepieces. $600US plus shipping for all of it. Thanks! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS - 645 and lenses
Yep. Wish I had the bucks to grab this. Doug Brewer dougbrewer.posterous.com On Aug 8, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Wow. That's quite a deal with 4 lenses. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gang. I need to sell my 645 kit. Included are the manual focus body with front and rear caps, 120 and 220 film magazines with holders, A200/4, A120/4 Macro (best lens ever, IMHO), A45/2.8 with 45-125 hood, A35/3.5 with case. The A35 has the original front cap, the 200 and 120 have newer Pentax caps and the 45 has a generic cap. All four have original rear caps. Also included are a #1 extension tube, an extra rear lens cap and one of those big D-shaped eyepieces. $600US plus shipping for all of it. Thanks! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS - 645 and lenses
Thanks, guys. I really don't want to sell it, but I kinda need the cash. If it doesn't generate any interest within the next couple days it's going to KEH. Or maybe eBay. Probably KEH, because I just don't want to deal with eBay. On 8/8/10, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: Yep. Wish I had the bucks to grab this. Doug Brewer dougbrewer.posterous.com On Aug 8, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Wow. That's quite a deal with 4 lenses. On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi gang. I need to sell my 645 kit. Included are the manual focus body with front and rear caps, 120 and 220 film magazines with holders, A200/4, A120/4 Macro (best lens ever, IMHO), A45/2.8 with 45-125 hood, A35/3.5 with case. The A35 has the original front cap, the 200 and 120 have newer Pentax caps and the 45 has a generic cap. All four have original rear caps. Also included are a #1 extension tube, an extra rear lens cap and one of those big D-shaped eyepieces. $600US plus shipping for all of it. Thanks! -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 645 Seagulls
Brian, you evoked some rather grim associations also related to the WWII. So one may say, you've hit the bull's eye with this viewer... Boris On 12/10/2009 1:21 PM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all Another one from my trip to Western Australia. At Geraldton there is a memorial to the sailors who were lost off the WA coast when the HMAS Sydney II was sunk in WW2. It's a particularly beautiful memorial and it's focal pint is a silver dome with 645 silver seagulls - one for each sailor lost. The memorial is even more significant now than in the past - the wreck of the Sydney (and the Kormoran, the German raider that sank her) was located in 2008, about 100 km off the coast at a depth of 2,468 metres. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/186421/645_Seagulls.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 645 Seagulls
In a message dated 12/10/2009 3:21:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, supera1...@fastmail.fm writes: G'day all Another one from my trip to Western Australia. At Geraldton there is a memorial to the sailors who were lost off the WA coast when the HMAS Sydney II was sunk in WW2. It's a particularly beautiful memorial and it's focal pint is a silver dome with 645 silver seagulls - one for each sailor lost. The memorial is even more significant now than in the past - the wreck of the Sydney (and the Kormoran, the German raider that sank her) was located in 2008, about 100 km off the coast at a depth of 2,468 metres. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/186421/645_Seagulls.html Cheers Brian = Very cool shot. Marnie aka Doe :-) Nice memorial too. - We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 645 Seagulls
Hi Boris On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:29 +0200, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Brian, you evoked some rather grim associations also related to the WWII. So one may say, you've hit the bull's eye with this viewer... Thanks - it was an unexpectedly emotional experience for my wife and me. We had an excellent guide to show up around and explain the significance of the various parts of the memorial. Finding the Sydney had become the 'holy grail' of marine archeology in Australia. I think most people had come to the conclusion that it would remain lost forever so, when it was finally located, it received an amazing amount of publicity. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ Boris On 12/10/2009 1:21 PM, Brian Walters wrote: G'day all Another one from my trip to Western Australia. At Geraldton there is a memorial to the sailors who were lost off the WA coast when the HMAS Sydney II was sunk in WW2. It's a particularly beautiful memorial and it's focal pint is a silver dome with 645 silver seagulls - one for each sailor lost. The memorial is even more significant now than in the past - the wreck of the Sydney (and the Kormoran, the German raider that sank her) was located in 2008, about 100 km off the coast at a depth of 2,468 metres. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/186421/645_Seagulls.html -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 645 Seagulls
Thanks, Rick. Also Jack and Dave. Comments appreciated. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:28 -0800, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: I like this. The silhouetting works well, and you chose an angle that gives a sense of motion. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm Subject: PESO - 645 Seagulls To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:21 AM G'day all Another one from my trip to Western Australia. At Geraldton there is a memorial to the sailors who were lost off the WA coast when the HMAS Sydney II was sunk in WW2. It's a particularly beautiful memorial and it's focal pint is a silver dome with 645 silver seagulls - one for each sailor lost. The memorial is even more significant now than in the past - the wreck of the Sydney (and the Kormoran, the German raider that sank her) was located in 2008, about 100 km off the coast at a depth of 2,468 metres. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/186421/645_Seagulls.html -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 645 Seagulls
Impressive shot! Jack --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm Subject: PESO - 645 Seagulls To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 3:21 AM G'day all Another one from my trip to Western Australia. At Geraldton there is a memorial to the sailors who were lost off the WA coast when the HMAS Sydney II was sunk in WW2. It's a particularly beautiful memorial and it's focal pint is a silver dome with 645 silver seagulls - one for each sailor lost. The memorial is even more significant now than in the past - the wreck of the Sydney (and the Kormoran, the German raider that sank her) was located in 2008, about 100 km off the coast at a depth of 2,468 metres. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/186421/645_Seagulls.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 645 Seagulls
Very nice. The blue sky back ground works well here. For a second i thought you might have been in Geraldton Ontario, but the biggest boat in the local lake would fit in a truck bed:-) Dave On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: G'day all Another one from my trip to Western Australia. At Geraldton there is a memorial to the sailors who were lost off the WA coast when the HMAS Sydney II was sunk in WW2. It's a particularly beautiful memorial and it's focal pint is a silver dome with 645 silver seagulls - one for each sailor lost. The memorial is even more significant now than in the past - the wreck of the Sydney (and the Kormoran, the German raider that sank her) was located in 2008, about 100 km off the coast at a depth of 2,468 metres. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/186421/645_Seagulls.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 645 Seagulls
I like this. The silhouetting works well, and you chose an angle that gives a sense of motion. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm Subject: PESO - 645 Seagulls To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:21 AM G'day all Another one from my trip to Western Australia. At Geraldton there is a memorial to the sailors who were lost off the WA coast when the HMAS Sydney II was sunk in WW2. It's a particularly beautiful memorial and it's focal pint is a silver dome with 645 silver seagulls - one for each sailor lost. The memorial is even more significant now than in the past - the wreck of the Sydney (and the Kormoran, the German raider that sank her) was located in 2008, about 100 km off the coast at a depth of 2,468 metres. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/186421/645_Seagulls.html Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - 645 Seagulls
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote: G'day all Another one from my trip to Western Australia. At Geraldton there is a memorial to the sailors who were lost off the WA coast when the HMAS Sydney II was sunk in WW2. It's a particularly beautiful memorial and it's focal pint is a silver dome with 645 silver seagulls - one for each sailor lost. The memorial is even more significant now than in the past - the wreck of the Sydney (and the Kormoran, the German raider that sank her) was located in 2008, about 100 km off the coast at a depth of 2,468 metres. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/186421/645_Seagulls.html And here I was thinking it was seagulls taken with a medium format camera... Very interesting photo of what sounds like a moving memorial. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PENTAX 645 Digital at Photo Imaging Expo 2009 in Japan
- Original Message - From: Roman Melihhov Subject: PENTAX 645 Digital at Photo Imaging Expo 2009 in Japan http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/2009/200905.html ^^^ I' d seen many announcements recently but still waiting for my DA* 60-250mm SDM to get in stock... I have a feeling this is going to be a very long wait. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D The 645D was nailed to its perch but now it's pining for the fjords, so to speak. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
Yeah. I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models. (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?) P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48760342288431614412501! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
Don't know, but I suppose it would help if I could spell price... Steve Desjardins wrote: Yeah. I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models. (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?) P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production runs means huge prices. -Adam On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models. (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?) P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48760342288431614412501! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation), would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime. For most studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using film. (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but that's what my gut tells me). Adam Maas wrote: Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production runs means huge prices. -Adam On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models. (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?) P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48760342288431614412501! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
I suppose they rent it, right? On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation), would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime. For most studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using film. (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but that's what my gut tells me). Adam Maas wrote: Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production runs means huge prices. -Adam On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models. (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?) P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48760342288431614412501! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
Most do. -Adam On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose they rent it, right? On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation), would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime. For most studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using film. (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but that's what my gut tells me). Adam Maas wrote: Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production runs means huge prices. -Adam On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models. (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?) P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48760342288431614412501! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
If you rent it sometimes you don't have it when you need it. But that's a possibility. Fernando wrote: I suppose they rent it, right? On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation), would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime. For most studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using film. (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but that's what my gut tells me). Adam Maas wrote: Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production runs means huge prices. -Adam On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models. (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?) P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48760342288431614412501! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
High-end commercial shooters can justify 40K for a camera. Some of the best gross that much in a couple days of shooting. And Hassy doesn't expect high volume, so that market alone probably absorbs much of their production. Then there are the ridiculously rich hobbyists who have to have the latest and greatest and for whom money is no object. -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you rent it sometimes you don't have it when you need it. But that's a possibility. Fernando wrote: I suppose they rent it, right? On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation), would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime. For most studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using film. (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but that's what my gut tells me). Adam Maas wrote: Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production runs means huge prices. -Adam On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models. (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?) P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48760342288431614412501! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
What about Mid level commercial shooters, I guess they do with out. (I'm glad I'm out of that game, I couldn't survive). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: High-end commercial shooters can justify 40K for a camera. Some of the best gross that much in a couple days of shooting. And Hassy doesn't expect high volume, so that market alone probably absorbs much of their production. Then there are the ridiculously rich hobbyists who have to have the latest and greatest and for whom money is no object. -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you rent it sometimes you don't have it when you need it. But that's a possibility. Fernando wrote: I suppose they rent it, right? On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation), would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime. For most studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using film. (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but that's what my gut tells me). Adam Maas wrote: Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production runs means huge prices. -Adam On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models. (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?) P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48760342288431614412501! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
My guess: full frame and occassionally rent a MF digital, or an old hassy and a phase one digital back (owned or rented) On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about Mid level commercial shooters, I guess they do with out. (I'm glad I'm out of that game, I couldn't survive). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: High-end commercial shooters can justify 40K for a camera. Some of the best gross that much in a couple days of shooting. And Hassy doesn't expect high volume, so that market alone probably absorbs much of their production. Then there are the ridiculously rich hobbyists who have to have the latest and greatest and for whom money is no object. -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you rent it sometimes you don't have it when you need it. But that's a possibility. Fernando wrote: I suppose they rent it, right? On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation), would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime. For most studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using film. (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but that's what my gut tells me). Adam Maas wrote: Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production runs means huge prices. -Adam On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models. (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?) P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48760342288431614412501! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ferand/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
Mid level commercial photographers do just fine with Canon and Nikon. And if they get a job that really justifies medium format digital, they can rent equipment. But a mid level shooter who works for $2000 a day or so generally doesn't get work that justifies MF expenditure. Some, of course, shoot MF or large format film at that level. Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] What about Mid level commercial shooters, I guess they do with out. (I'm glad I'm out of that game, I couldn't survive). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: High-end commercial shooters can justify 40K for a camera. Some of the best gross that much in a couple days of shooting. And Hassy doesn't expect high volume, so that market alone probably absorbs much of their production. Then there are the ridiculously rich hobbyists who have to have the latest and greatest and for whom money is no object. -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you rent it sometimes you don't have it when you need it. But that's a possibility. Fernando wrote: I suppose they rent it, right? On 7/10/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems on a per photo basis, (even a good size commercial operation), would never amortize one of these over their useful lifetime. For most studios on a cost per shot basis it's would be less expensive using film. (Ok, so that's not even back of the envelope calculations but that's what my gut tells me). Adam Maas wrote: Remember, they sell a couple dozen of these a month. Small production runs means huge prices. -Adam On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah. I think the $40K price tag leaves a bit of room for other models. (What is the emoticon for overwhelming sarcasm?) P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/10/2008 8:36 AM Apparently hiding under the bed... On the other hand the formula Megapixels = Megapirce seems to hold here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08070901Hasselblad.asp Pentax 645D where are you? :D .t -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:48760342288431614412501! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- You get further with a kind word and a gun, than with a kind word alone. --Al Capone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mid level commercial photographers do just fine with Canon and Nikon. And if they get a job that really justifies medium format digital, they can rent equipment. But a mid level shooter who works for $2000 a day or so generally doesn't get work that justifies MF expenditure. Some, of course, shoot MF or large format film at that level. I'm assuming the Hassy is for the big-name commercial guys who have $25k day rates? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
I would think so. But I bet that quite a few wealthy hobbyists buy them as well. -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mid level commercial photographers do just fine with Canon and Nikon. And if they get a job that really justifies medium format digital, they can rent equipment. But a mid level shooter who works for $2000 a day or so generally doesn't get work that justifies MF expenditure. Some, of course, shoot MF or large format film at that level. I'm assuming the Hassy is for the big-name commercial guys who have $25k day rates? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think so. But I bet that quite a few wealthy hobbyists buy them as well. /de-lurk I have been to several Hasselblad function where we get to test drive new blads. My experience here in Sydney is that the most common users are wedding photographers. Their is a good showing of design/print houses and a few of the wealthy hobbists, but I find mostly it is the crowd of wedding photogs who want, or demand, the highest possible resolution. Im not sure how or when, 35mm became a pro level camera for weddings, but now that there is more glass available for the blads, many of wedding photogs seem to moving back into MF. Just my observations Kevin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: 645 format 50 Mpix from Hassie
Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think so. But I bet that quite a few wealthy hobbyists buy them as well. /de-lurk I have been to several Hasselblad function where we get to test drive new blads. My experience here in Sydney is that the most common users are wedding photographers. If you're a wedding photographer who charges $5000-$10,000 (or more) per gig and whose clients are millionaires, you probably *need* a $40,000 camera. Not for the image quality, necessarily, but as part of *your* image, with which you have to market yourself to that kind of customer. Not a big deal for those guys - the camera will pay for itself fairly quickly and its depreciation written of as a business expense. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 645 system site???
Paul Stenquist wrote: The medium format discussion on photo.net has some 645 and 6x7 commentary. Have a look at http://medfmt.8k.com/ It's by the guy who does the Third-Party Lens Megasite, with all the quirkiness of that site included. And it's still hosted on a free web hosting service, so it disappears and reappears at various intervals... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 645 system site???
The medium format discussion on photo.net has some 645 and 6x7 commentary. Paul On May 22, 2008, at 8:45 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: Scott - from an earlier discussion of this question... I thought I had some discussions of 645 lenses etc. stashed away but haven't found anything yet. If I find them I will forward to you to help you get started on your project... Begin forwarded message: Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Pedro Oliveira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: December 17, 2005 3:25:17 PM CST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax 645 system site??? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another link: http://www.chrysis.net/photo/pentax/pentax645n.htm Take care. Pedro Oliveira -Mensagem original- De: Sylwester Pietrzyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviada: sábado, 17 de Dezembro de 2005 11:38 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: Re: Pentax 645 system site??? On 2005-12-17, at 01:10, Pedro Oliveira wrote: The only site I found concerning the Pentax 645 is this one: http://www.kcat.zaq.ne.jp/p645/index.html The only problem is that it is...in Japanese. But you can find interesting information there. Hope it helps. Thanks! Seems to be the most complete 645 site so far :-) In links to other pages I found one site of Japanese photographer who regularly uses 645. Especially interesting is overview of his works during past 5 years: http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent? lp=ja_entrurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.takeuchitoshinobu.jp%2fhisory% 2findex.htm In 2005 we find: The CANON calendar spreading/displaying LANDSCAPE ground for The CANON salon - isn't that ironic and fun? ;-) -- Best regards Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 645 Digital
At PMA 2006 it was a mockup, completely non-functional. PMA 2007 had a working prototype, but it's not a priority since the Hoya merger and when or if a production model will arrive is unknown. -Adam On 1/6/08, Timber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just made some search and found out that 2006's PMA there was a Pentax 645 Digital: http://www.pma-show.com/2006/digital_camera/pentax_review/010_pentax_645_digital_medium_format_camera.html Did this camera came to retail or it was only a prototype? Maybe this year's PMA we will get a newer version of this? Also there's a news item a year ago: http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/pentax-busts-out-hasselbladian-31-6-megapixel-645-digital/ It says the P645D gets 31 Mpix sensor same as in Hasselblad H3D-31 O.o Anyone know anything about it? .t -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 645 Digital
The 645D was first mooted about 3-4 years ago. It was apparently being actively developed for a while but it kept being deferred. However, whenever it looks as if it has finally been canceled, it seems to pop up in rumors again. I doubt we'll ever see it go to market. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ Quoting Timber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just made some search and found out that 2006's PMA there was a Pentax 645 Digital: http://www.pma-show.com/2006/digital_camera/pentax_review/010_pentax_645_digital_medium_format_camera.html Did this camera came to retail or it was only a prototype? Maybe this year's PMA we will get a newer version of this? Also there's a news item a year ago: http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/pentax-busts-out-hasselbladian-31-6-megapixel-645-digital/ It says the P645D gets 31 Mpix sensor same as in Hasselblad H3D-31 O.o Anyone know anything about it? ..t -- Free pop3 email with a spam filter. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/5 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax 645 Digital
IIRC it was reported as a working prototype. There were rumors of it's demise after the Hoya takeover. Some still hold out hope, I think it would be a marketing disaster. Timber wrote: I just made some search and found out that 2006's PMA there was a Pentax 645 Digital: http://www.pma-show.com/2006/digital_camera/pentax_review/010_pentax_645_digital_medium_format_camera.html Did this camera came to retail or it was only a prototype? Maybe this year's PMA we will get a newer version of this? Also there's a news item a year ago: http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/21/pentax-busts-out-hasselbladian-31-6-megapixel-645-digital/ It says the P645D gets 31 Mpix sensor same as in Hasselblad H3D-31 O.o Anyone know anything about it? .t -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Designation 645 on Lens EG SMC FA (645) 200 f4
Hi Charles Quoting Charles Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can anyone tell me what the designation (645) means after a lens. Will this lens fit on my digital ist D. Those lenses are designed for the Pentax 645 medium format system. As far as I know they will fit the K mount cameras with an adapter. Others will probably know more about it. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- Finally - A spam blocker that actually works. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/4 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Designation 645 on Lens EG SMC FA (645) 200 f4
There is a 645 to k adaptor, but they seem to be significantly rarer than hen's teeth. Peter David Savage wrote: 645 = 6 x 4.5cm negative/transparency. Cheers, Dave On Nov 29, 2007 8:11 PM, Charles Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me what the designation (645) means after a lens. Will this lens fit on my digital ist D. Regards Charles Wilson Sydney Australia -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Designation 645 on Lens EG SMC FA (645) 200 f4
645 = 6 x 4.5cm negative/transparency. Cheers, Dave On Nov 29, 2007 8:11 PM, Charles Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me what the designation (645) means after a lens. Will this lens fit on my digital ist D. Regards Charles Wilson Sydney Australia -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Designation 645 on Lens EG SMC FA (645) 200 f4
With an adapter. 645 is the designation for one of Pentax's two lines of medium format SLRs. The lens will work much like an M43 mount lens on K mount cameras. Charles Wilson wrote: Can anyone tell me what the designation (645) means after a lens. Will this lens fit on my digital ist D. Regards Charles Wilson Sydney Australia -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Designation 645 on Lens EG SMC FA (645) 200 f4
That should be M42 mount lens, of course. P. J. Alling wrote: With an adapter. 645 is the designation for one of Pentax's two lines of medium format SLRs. The lens will work much like an M43 mount lens on K mount cameras. Charles Wilson wrote: Can anyone tell me what the designation (645) means after a lens. Will this lens fit on my digital ist D. Regards Charles Wilson Sydney Australia -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Designation 645 on Lens EG SMC FA (645) 200 f4
Charles, Pentax makes a variety of film format cameras. The *ist D is a 35mm film format camera, even though no film is involved. It uses Pentax K mount, 35mm format lenses. (think 24mm x 36mm film) In a pinch, with a $10 adapter, the Pentax screwmount 35mm format lenses can be mounted. Pentax also makes a 645 camera and a 67 format camera. (think 120 or 220 film) These are much bigger film cameras with bigger lenses. Exposed film is nominally 6cm x 4.5cm or 6cm x 7 cm. You can buy adaptors for $100-200 (if you can find them) to mount these on K mount cameras. So, such lenses are not an easy fit for a camera like your *ist D. Regards, Bob S. On Nov 29, 2007 5:11 AM, Charles Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me what the designation (645) means after a lens. Will this lens fit on my digital ist D. Regards Charles Wilson Sydney Australia -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Designation 645 on Lens EG SMC FA (645) 200 f4
I have one. They're more expensive than golden goose eggs too. FYI, 67-645-K mount works too, but you have to play the same game as with SMCK on K10D (crippled KA2 mount). Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Peter Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a 645 to k adaptor, but they seem to be significantly rarer than hen's teeth. David Savage wrote: 645 = 6 x 4.5cm negative/transparency. On Nov 29, 2007 8:11 PM, Charles Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me what the designation (645) means after a lens. Will this lens fit on my digital ist D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The 645
It is worth to use it, viewfinder especially! I'm now back to film, because i dropped my K100D and now shutter button does not fire 95% of time... :( Gasha Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: ... yet. My kit is the 645 plus three 120 magazines, 45/2.8 and 75/2.8 lenses, case, strap, remote cable, and other accessories. Lovely stuff... Really do have to take it out for a shoot one of these days. .. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
The P645 viewfinder is good, but I expect that of any professional medium format SLR. I was at a talk last night given by Charles Anselmo, who has an exhibition of his work at the Aftermodern gallery in San Francisco at present (http://www.aftermodern.com/c_anselmo.php). His primary camera is the Pentax 645. He captures with transparency film and scans with an older Imacon Flextight, prints with an Epson 9600 for up to 40x60 inch prints. Very nice quality prints ... I'm going to stop in to visit the exhibition tomorrow. Inspires me to maybe do some work with the 645 soon. :-) Godfrey On Sep 13, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Gasha wrote: It is worth to use it, viewfinder especially! I'm now back to film, because i dropped my K100D and now shutter button does not fire 95% of time... :( -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
When I was in high school I shot with the yearbook's Mamiya 1000 DTL, and my wife got a DSX 500 for a college graduation present (I used it a lot more than she did!). The cameras handled well and were unusual in having both spot and averaging metering. The glass seemed good (I still have 50/2 and 35/3.5 lenses). They weren't very durable, though. Rick --- Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Adam, I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them? The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up. Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote: The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my Mamiya's, Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm not a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's. 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier. They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as handholdable as my Mamiya's. You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well) -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)? Is it more of a tripod only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super Program) or is it all metal? Regards, Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body). I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a 35mm pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v. I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N, Winder N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a good price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older 645). The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs). This is generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual backs are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645, some Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the P645, the others being increased reliability and the price was right). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
No, can't help there. The 1000 DTL is the only one I've used. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thank you for your input, Brian. Do you have any comments on, or experience with, the newer Mamiya 35mm cameras? Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Well, others probably have much more experience here but I thought I might mention that I have a 1000DTL (an old M42 mount camera) that is built like a tank and, in my admittedly limited use of it, seems to be very reliable. There is no evidence of the shutter tapering at the high speeds (can't say the same for my two Spotmatics :-( ) and it does have a spot meter option. Cheers Brian -- Free pop3 email with a spam filter. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/5 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
Thanks, Brian. Too bad...I would like some more feedback--specific feedback, that is--on the Mamiya Z Series. Glen On Sep 2, 2007, at 3:20 AM, Brian Walters wrote: No, can't help there. The 1000 DTL is the only one I've used. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thank you for your input, Brian. Do you have any comments on, or experience with, the newer Mamiya 35mm cameras? Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Well, others probably have much more experience here but I thought I might mention that I have a 1000DTL (an old M42 mount camera) that is built like a tank and, in my admittedly limited use of it, seems to be very reliable. There is no evidence of the shutter tapering at the high speeds (can't say the same for my two Spotmatics :-( ) and it does have a spot meter option. Cheers Brian -- Free pop3 email with a spam filter. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/5 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
From: Glen Tortorella Hi Steve, I just searched at KEH for the outfit you have mentioned. The outfit price is $394 in EX and $514 in EX+. When they makes these designations, they mean that both the camera and lens are in this condition? If so, this camera and lens stand to be in better shape than yours, as your body was a BGN condition?... Before I forget: does KEH include the little things in their outfits--lens caps, manual, etc.--or is it purely body and lens? Both lens and body should be in the indicated condition. The little things will depend on what the ad says. Look at the 645 camera bodies and you'll see one listed as requires insert, while the others list the insert that's included. Looking at the lens ads, if lens caps are included, the ad will say Blah Blah Blah (77) WITH CAPS. Exceptions are New, New Demo and LN - they are either as packaged by manufacturer or includes original box and instructions and any manufacturer provided accessories. The ad won't specifically say it has got the lens caps and/or accessories. If you still have questions, just do what I do - call them up and ask. They'll take orders over the telephone, so if it is what you want, you can order it right then and there. One thing about KEH though ... I have ordered BGN items from them several times. Every time, when the item arrived, the condition to my eyes should have been EX by their standards. They seem to rate conditions very conservatively. YMMV -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Thanks, John :-) It is great to hear they are conservative with their condition ratings. Everyone on the lis seems to agree. Glen On Sep 2, 2007, at 10:50 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Glen Tortorella Hi Steve, I just searched at KEH for the outfit you have mentioned. The outfit price is $394 in EX and $514 in EX+. When they makes these designations, they mean that both the camera and lens are in this condition? If so, this camera and lens stand to be in better shape than yours, as your body was a BGN condition?... Before I forget: does KEH include the little things in their outfits--lens caps, manual, etc.--or is it purely body and lens? Both lens and body should be in the indicated condition. The little things will depend on what the ad says. Look at the 645 camera bodies and you'll see one listed as requires insert, while the others list the insert that's included. Looking at the lens ads, if lens caps are included, the ad will say Blah Blah Blah (77) WITH CAPS. Exceptions are New, New Demo and LN - they are either as packaged by manufacturer or includes original box and instructions and any manufacturer provided accessories. The ad won't specifically say it has got the lens caps and/or accessories. If you still have questions, just do what I do - call them up and ask. They'll take orders over the telephone, so if it is what you want, you can order it right then and there. One thing about KEH though ... I have ordered BGN items from them several times. Every time, when the item arrived, the condition to my eyes should have been EX by their standards. They seem to rate conditions very conservatively. YMMV -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)? Is it more of a tripod only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super Program) or is it all metal? Regards, Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body). I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a 35mm pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v. I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N, Winder N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a good price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older 645). The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs). This is generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual backs are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645, some Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the P645, the others being increased reliability and the price was right). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my Mamiya's, Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm not a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's. 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier. They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as handholdable as my Mamiya's. You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well) -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)? Is it more of a tripod only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super Program) or is it all metal? Regards, Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body). I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a 35mm pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v. I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N, Winder N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a good price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older 645). The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs). This is generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual backs are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645, some Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the P645, the others being increased reliability and the price was right). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Thank you for the detailed responses, Adam. The 645 series sounds like it would be an excellent choice for me. I think I would tend toward the original 645, as it can be had for less money and it is a manual focus camera. With the various questions I have asked, you have been very helpful. You are an asset to the list :-) Regards, Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote: The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my Mamiya's, Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm not a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's. 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier. They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as handholdable as my Mamiya's. You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well) -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)? Is it more of a tripod only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super Program) or is it all metal? Regards, Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body). I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a 35mm pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v. I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N, Winder N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a good price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older 645). The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs). This is generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual backs are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645, some Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the P645, the others being increased reliability and the price was right). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
Hi Adam, I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them? The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up. Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote: The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my Mamiya's, Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm not a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's. 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier. They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as handholdable as my Mamiya's. You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well) -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)? Is it more of a tripod only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super Program) or is it all metal? Regards, Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body). I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a 35mm pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v. I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N, Winder N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a good price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older 645). The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs). This is generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual backs are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645, some Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the P645, the others being increased reliability and the price was right). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The 645 (and Mamiya)
I can say one thing, the earlier M42 Mamiya bodies were crude bricks compared to Pentax Spotmatics. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glen Tortorella Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 2:06 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The 645 (and Mamiya) Hi Adam, I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them? The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up. Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote: The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my Mamiya's, Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm not a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's. 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier. They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as handholdable as my Mamiya's. You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well) -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)? Is it more of a tripod only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super Program) or is it all metal? Regards, Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body). I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a 35mm pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v. I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N, Winder N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a good price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older 645). The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs). This is generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual backs are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645, some Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the P645, the others being increased reliability and the price was right). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
Mamiya seems to have changed lens mounts on their 35mm cameras the way you're supposed to change tooth brushes, and the earlier lenses were often completely incompatible. Good luck find lenses for the later bayonet mount cameras, though when you do find them they are inexpensive. The shutter mechanisms seem to need more care than equivalent age Pentax cameras as well. Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi Adam, I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them? The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up. Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote: The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my Mamiya's, Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm not a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's. 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier. They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as handholdable as my Mamiya's. You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well) -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)? Is it more of a tripod only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super Program) or is it all metal? Regards, Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body). I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a 35mm pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v. I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N, Winder N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a good price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older 645). The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs). This is generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual backs are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645, some Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the P645, the others being increased reliability and the price was right). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
- Original Message - From: Glen Tortorella Subject: Re: The 645 (and Mamiya) Hi Adam, I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them? The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up. Mamiya 35mm was a failed project. The lenses were at best only ok, and the camera bodies were, at best, really bad. If you are into self abuse, then 35mm Mamiya cameras might be for you. I'll take a nice spanking from a middle aged lady first. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
I bought a 645 and a 75 mm f2.8 lens for about $500 a few years ago from KEH (before film really started to go away. I checked KEH and you can do better now. My 645 body was a bargain one and it's in great condition. (Bargain is a rating level for KEH) I wouldn't hesitate to buy one in this condition. I did get an excellent lens. My dealings with KEH have been very good. Steve Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/1/2007 1:11 PM Thank you for the detailed responses, Adam. The 645 series sounds like it would be an excellent choice for me. I think I would tend toward the original 645, as it can be had for less money and it is a manual focus camera. With the various questions I have asked, you have been very helpful. You are an asset to the list :-) Regards, Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote: The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my Mamiya's, Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm not a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's. 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier. They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as handholdable as my Mamiya's. You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well) -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)? Is it more of a tripod only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super Program) or is it all metal? Regards, Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body). I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a 35mm pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v. I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N, Winder N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a good price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older 645). The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs). This is generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual backs are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645, some Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the P645, the others being increased reliability and the price was right). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net !SIG:46d99c7b196701859165467! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Glen Tortorella wrote: ... How do you like handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)? Is it more of a tripod only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? ... Adam's contributed on this already, but I have to say that one of the reasons I like the 645 so much is that it handles beautifully hand- held. Better than a lot of 35mm SLRs. It has a nice big grip and the mirror/shutter is very very smooth. However, that said, I tend to use the 645 on a tripod most of the time anyway. I like that they put tripod mounts on both side and bottom ... I fitted mine with a pair of Really Right Stuff tripod adapters so I can go from portrait to landscape orientation in a second. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: The 645 (and Mamiya)
I cant speak for all the Mamiya 35mm lens series, but the SX (M42) series 35mm lenses are all optically superb but mechanically lame. They make good users on a budget if you dont mind the inferior feel they have compared to the takumars. The bodies of that era were all really bad clunkers as I posted earlier. I have a bunch of the SX lenses that take fantastic film images but onc caveat is you cant use them easily on digital because they lack manual aperture modes... jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 2:55 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The 645 (and Mamiya) - Original Message - From: Glen Tortorella Subject: Re: The 645 (and Mamiya) Hi Adam, I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them? The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up. Mamiya 35mm was a failed project. The lenses were at best only ok, and the camera bodies were, at best, really bad. If you are into self abuse, then 35mm Mamiya cameras might be for you. I'll take a nice spanking from a middle aged lady first. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Thank you, Godfrey, et. al. :-) Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:09 AM, Glen Tortorella wrote: ... How do you like handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)? Is it more of a tripod only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? ... Adam's contributed on this already, but I have to say that one of the reasons I like the 645 so much is that it handles beautifully hand- held. Better than a lot of 35mm SLRs. It has a nice big grip and the mirror/shutter is very very smooth. However, that said, I tend to use the 645 on a tripod most of the time anyway. I like that they put tripod mounts on both side and bottom ... I fitted mine with a pair of Really Right Stuff tripod adapters so I can go from portrait to landscape orientation in a second. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
From: Steve Desjardins I bought a 645 and a 75 mm f2.8 lens for about $500 a few years ago from KEH (before film really started to go away. I checked KEH and you can do better now. My 645 body was a bargain one and it's in great condition. (Bargain is a rating level for KEH) I wouldn't hesitate to buy one in this condition. I did get an excellent lens. My dealings with KEH have been very good. I can second that. KEH's ratings are very, very conservative. What KEH calls Bargain, most others would call Very Good. In fact, I've received items KEH rated Bargain that they could have legitimately rated Excellent by their own published standards. Their Bargain really IS a bargain. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Hi Steve, I just searched at KEH for the outfit you have mentioned. The outfit price is $394 in EX and $514 in EX+. When they makes these designations, they mean that both the camera and lens are in this condition? If so, this camera and lens stand to be in better shape than yours, as your body was a BGN condition?... Before I forget: does KEH include the little things in their outfits--lens caps, manual, etc.--or is it purely body and lens? Thanks, Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Steve Desjardins wrote: I bought a 645 and a 75 mm f2.8 lens for about $500 a few years ago from KEH (before film really started to go away. I checked KEH and you can do better now. My 645 body was a bargain one and it's in great condition. (Bargain is a rating level for KEH) I wouldn't hesitate to buy one in this condition. I did get an excellent lens. My dealings with KEH have been very good. Steve Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/1/2007 1:11 PM Thank you for the detailed responses, Adam. The 645 series sounds like it would be an excellent choice for me. I think I would tend toward the original 645, as it can be had for less money and it is a manual focus camera. With the various questions I have asked, you have been very helpful. You are an asset to the list :-) Regards, Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:13 AM, Adam Maas wrote: The handling of the 645N and 645NII are superb (Better than my Mamiya's, Although I do like the Mamiya 645AFDII even more), the original 645 is IMHO compromised by the use of the ME Super 2-button interface (I'm not a big fan) but still handles well overall. Build is plastic-covered metal, which is the norm for 645-format SLR's. 645's are the weight of a pro 35mm SLR, and only somewhat bulkier. They're very handholdable, I regularly handhold down to 1/60th with my old M645, and have tried the 645 Super at 1/30th (roll is still in the camera, so we'll see). The Pentax 645's are every bit as handholdable as my Mamiya's. You aren't into tripod-only territory with either of the Pentax MF SLR's. Only the Mamiya RB RZ's are truly tripod-bound (Although it's probably a good idea with a Bronica GS as well) -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Thank you for your thoughts, Adam. Medium format is an intriguing option. I will continue to ponder the matter. How do you like handling the 645 (i.e. the feel of it)? Is it more of a tripod only type of camera, or may one take good hand-held shots with it? Does the design include any plastic (like the top plate on my Super Program) or is it all metal? Regards, Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 8:59 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body). I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a 35mm pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v. I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N, Winder N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a good price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older 645). The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs). This is generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual backs are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645, some Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the P645, the others being increased reliability and the price was right). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net !SIG:46d99c7b196701859165467! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net
Re: The 645
Usually they rate the package as a whole when you buy an outfit. They usually also list whether it includes caps, manual, etc. I always want them to include caps, or I buy them separately at the same time, but manuals are often a different matter entirely. An EXC rating from them means practically new condition. I've bought many a BARGAIN rated item and thought they'd sent the wrong one.. ! If you have any questions, call them before ordering. They're good to deal with. Godfrey On Sep 1, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Glen Tortorella wrote: I just searched at KEH for the outfit you have mentioned. The outfit price is $394 in EX and $514 in EX+. When they makes these designations, they mean that both the camera and lens are in this condition? If so, this camera and lens stand to be in better shape than yours, as your body was a BGN condition?... Before I forget: does KEH include the little things in their outfits--lens caps, manual, etc.--or is it purely body and lens? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
Well, others probably have much more experience here but I thought I might mention that I have a 1000DTL (an old M42 mount camera) that is built like a tank and, in my admittedly limited use of it, seems to be very reliable. There is no evidence of the shutter tapering at the high speeds (can't say the same for my two Spotmatics :-( ) and it does have a spot meter option. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Adam, I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them? The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up. Glen -- Find out how you can get spam free email. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/3 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
Thank you for your input, Brian. Do you have any comments on, or experience with, the newer Mamiya 35mm cameras? Glen On Sep 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Well, others probably have much more experience here but I thought I might mention that I have a 1000DTL (an old M42 mount camera) that is built like a tank and, in my admittedly limited use of it, seems to be very reliable. There is no evidence of the shutter tapering at the high speeds (can't say the same for my two Spotmatics :-( ) and it does have a spot meter option. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Adam, I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them? The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up. Glen -- Find out how you can get spam free email. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/3 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: However, that said, I tend to use the 645 on a tripod most of the time anyway. I like that they put tripod mounts on both side and bottom ... I fitted mine with a pair of Really Right Stuff tripod adapters so I can go from portrait to landscape orientation in a second. Godfrey The dual tripod mounts is one feature I really wish my Mamiya had. Instead I get a hotshoe mounted on the side of the camera (kinda silly setup). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645 (and Mamiya)
The Mamiya 35mm stuff is a little odd. Mamiya never actually wanted to get into the 35mm market and were forced to by their US distributor. And thus their 35mm line never really gelled. There were a few good items, but by and large it was yet another low-end japanese SLR line a la Ricoh , Konica or Chinon. I've little interest in Mamiya's 35mm stuff. The only mamiya kit other than the 645 stuff that really interests me is the MF Rangefinders. I'd love a Mamiya 6 or 7. -Adam Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi Adam, I see you mention your Mamiya, but I forgot to ask: have you ever tried Mamiya's 35mm cameras? Overall, what do you think of them? The ZM, which I believe was their last 35mm, looks interesting. I gather it might be tough to find one in nice condition, as black camera bodies tend to get pretty scuffed up. Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Whew, that's a huge topic to try to approach. I've loved working with medium format cameras since my grandfather loaned me his 1949 Rolleiflex TLR in late 1967. Can't seem to feel right without one in the closet, even if I only use it rarely. Simple things first: the Pentax 645s are very very nice. I got interested in them last year and was given a loaner which I used a bit, loved it. Found a very nice two lens kit for a ridiculous price and couldn't help myself from buying it, but haven't actually used it yet. My kit is the 645 plus three 120 magazines, 45/2.8 and 75/2.8 lenses, case, strap, remote cable, and other accessories. Lovely stuff... Really do have to take it out for a shoot one of these days. There are many sources of information on the web regarding the Pentax 645 line. They made three versions ... the original manual focus model from about 1984 to 1997, I think, and then the AF models 645N and 645N II from 1998 to about 2004. Accurate dates ? ... look at the Pentax website's timelines to get them. You can probably get the user manuals for all three from there too. I would check Ebay and KEH.com for pricing before buying one. I've seen several decent looking two-lens kits on Ebay sell for pricing in the $400-500 range, and you can probably put together the same thing from KEH.com for around the same money if you're savvy about it. Godfrey On Aug 31, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Good camera, but unless it's a long lens or a zoom, it's overpriced. Check out ebay. Paul -- Original message -- From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Thank you very much, Godfrey. I agree that this is a huge topic to approach. With all of the different formats these days, and available hardware and software for each, it is difficult to summarize any of them in nutshell-like manner. I have (and will) check eBay and KEH. I will continue to ponder this matter. For now, I look forward to enjoying my new (to me) Super Program. I just loaded the body with a roll of 100 speed Fuji Acros BW print film. I await the arrival of the lens...although, if I want to begin a bit early, I could always try it out with one of my other lenses. Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Whew, that's a huge topic to try to approach. I've loved working with medium format cameras since my grandfather loaned me his 1949 Rolleiflex TLR in late 1967. Can't seem to feel right without one in the closet, even if I only use it rarely. Simple things first: the Pentax 645s are very very nice. I got interested in them last year and was given a loaner which I used a bit, loved it. Found a very nice two lens kit for a ridiculous price and couldn't help myself from buying it, but haven't actually used it yet. My kit is the 645 plus three 120 magazines, 45/2.8 and 75/2.8 lenses, case, strap, remote cable, and other accessories. Lovely stuff... Really do have to take it out for a shoot one of these days. There are many sources of information on the web regarding the Pentax 645 line. They made three versions ... the original manual focus model from about 1984 to 1997, I think, and then the AF models 645N and 645N II from 1998 to about 2004. Accurate dates ? ... look at the Pentax website's timelines to get them. You can probably get the user manuals for all three from there too. I would check Ebay and KEH.com for pricing before buying one. I've seen several decent looking two-lens kits on Ebay sell for pricing in the $400-500 range, and you can probably put together the same thing from KEH.com for around the same money if you're savvy about it. Godfrey On Aug 31, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Thank you, Paul. Yes, it does look like a very nice camera--with many different features and modes. Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 4:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good camera, but unless it's a long lens or a zoom, it's overpriced. Check out ebay. Paul -- Original message -- From: Glen Tortorella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Glen Tortorella wrote: I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. That's a reasonable price for a dealer, I think. You can do a bit better on eBay, but then you have to deal with eBay ;-) I have a 645 - the original, manual focus version - and love it. If you do your own BW darkroom printing, you'll swear off fiddly little 35mm negatives forever after working with medium format negs. I know I did. The camera's pretty much indestructible. Reasonable weight for what it is. Good assortment of lenses available. I have the 45mm f/2.8, 75mm f/2.8 and 200mm f/4. All very good but the 200 is amazingly sharp. This kit roughly corresponds to a 28/50/135 kit on 35mm film and it's really nice to go out shooting with just three primes. (I'm still hankering after a 35mm f/3.5, though...) You can use Pentax 67 lenses on it if you can find the proper adapter. Trouble is, you can't find the proper adapter. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
With regard to price, this is exactly what I was thinking, Mark. I have seen similar 645 setups go for $400-$500 on eBay...but you are right, I would then have to deal with eBay. Things are always a bit more expensive at camera shops. It is nice, though, to be able to hold and inspect the camera with one's own hands. Some shops gouge, but, however, if the price is only a tad higher than eBay, it may be worth it to buy at a shop. Glen On Aug 31, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Glen Tortorella wrote: I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. That's a reasonable price for a dealer, I think. You can do a bit better on eBay, but then you have to deal with eBay ;-) I have a 645 - the original, manual focus version - and love it. If you do your own BW darkroom printing, you'll swear off fiddly little 35mm negatives forever after working with medium format negs. I know I did. The camera's pretty much indestructible. Reasonable weight for what it is. Good assortment of lenses available. I have the 45mm f/2.8, 75mm f/2.8 and 200mm f/4. All very good but the 200 is amazingly sharp. This kit roughly corresponds to a 28/50/135 kit on 35mm film and it's really nice to go out shooting with just three primes. (I'm still hankering after a 35mm f/3.5, though...) You can use Pentax 67 lenses on it if you can find the proper adapter. Trouble is, you can't find the proper adapter. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: The 645
Glen Tortorella wrote: Hi all, I went to a somewhat local camera shop today to buy film. In one of the used cases sat a Pentax 645. It looked like it was in nice shape, and it came with a lens...I am not sure which one, though. Anyway, they are asking $560 for it. I have had at least some interest in the medium format domain ever since I saw my friend's Hasselblad back in 1997. Since it seems like an expensive pursuit, I have held out on buying a medium format setup. Any comments, folks? I know little about this type of photography, and I would appreciate any comments--either about the features of the 645 itself, or about medium format photography (i.e. associated issues and things to keep in mind). Thanks, Glen Nice kit, a bit pricey, unless it's an N or NII(AF body). I'm a fan of the 645 format. It's big enough to get a really noticable quality boost over 35mm, but the camera's aren't any heavier than a 35mm pro AF body like an F5 or EOS 1v. I actually just picked up a Mamiya 645 Super kit today, for $800cdn off a friend. Got the 45/2.8, 80/2.8, 150/3.5, the body, AE prism N, Winder N, a standard prism, 2 backs and 3 inserts (2x120, 1x220). Quite a good price, and it replaces my older M645 which is back in the shop (I also own a 55/2.8 N and another 80/2.8 along with a prism for my older 645). The Pentax units have several features built-in that are accessories on the Mamiya and Bronica 645's (Metering prisms, winders, backs). This is generally a plus for the metering and winding, but the individual backs are a bonus (that's one reason I upgraded to a Super from my M645, some Mamiya bodies, including the M645, have integrated backs like the P645, the others being increased reliability and the price was right). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys
- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys A couple of days ago I was about two seconds away from plunking down the cash for a 645 and three lenses - 45, 75, and 150. Then I started thinking about landscape photography and the zone system. My thoughts (the horror) led me to consider the possibility of having 5 interchangeable backs for N-2, N-1, N, N+1 and N+2. In an effort to keep the expenditure about the same, plus a little more for the extra backs, I'd be looking at a Mamiya M645-Super or a Bronica 6x6 or 645. Anyone have any experience with these systems they could share? What do you think about having the extra backs to accomodate zone system exposure? Or am I smoking crack? Yer smoking crack. Buy a view camera. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys
On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:18 AM, William Robb wrote: A couple of days ago I was about two seconds away from plunking down the cash for a 645 and three lenses - 45, 75, and 150. Then I started thinking about landscape photography and the zone system. My thoughts (the horror) led me to consider the possibility of having 5 interchangeable backs for N-2, N-1, N, N+1 and N+2. In an effort to keep the expenditure about the same, plus a little more for the extra backs, I'd be looking at a Mamiya M645-Super or a Bronica 6x6 or 645. Anyone have any experience with these systems they could share? What do you think about having the extra backs to accomodate zone system exposure? Or am I smoking crack? Yer smoking crack. Buy a view camera. I'd have to agree with Bill on this. Carrying five interchangeable backs with my Hasselblad 500 (and there's no substantive difference in size or weight between the Hassy and the Pentax 645) would disable me from ever getting out into the landscape to do photography... Shoot on Ilford XP2 Super and bracket. Saves a huge amount of time and effort, massive amount of weight to carry, and has so much more latitude that you hardly need to bracket so much. Excellent grain and acutance too. Drop them off for C41 processing, forget about all that time in the darkroom swishing film around in chemistry... G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys
On 3/6/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys A couple of days ago I was about two seconds away from plunking down the cash for a 645 and three lenses - 45, 75, and 150. Then I started thinking about landscape photography and the zone system. My thoughts (the horror) led me to consider the possibility of having 5 interchangeable backs for N-2, N-1, N, N+1 and N+2. In an effort to keep the expenditure about the same, plus a little more for the extra backs, I'd be looking at a Mamiya M645-Super or a Bronica 6x6 or 645. Anyone have any experience with these systems they could share? What do you think about having the extra backs to accomodate zone system exposure? Or am I smoking crack? Yer smoking crack. Buy a view camera. I see now that used Sinar F cameras really aren't that expensive. God, you suck. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys
On 3/6/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:18 AM, William Robb wrote: A couple of days ago I was about two seconds away from plunking down the cash for a 645 and three lenses - 45, 75, and 150. Then I started thinking about landscape photography and the zone system. My thoughts (the horror) led me to consider the possibility of having 5 interchangeable backs for N-2, N-1, N, N+1 and N+2. In an effort to keep the expenditure about the same, plus a little more for the extra backs, I'd be looking at a Mamiya M645-Super or a Bronica 6x6 or 645. Anyone have any experience with these systems they could share? What do you think about having the extra backs to accomodate zone system exposure? Or am I smoking crack? Yer smoking crack. Buy a view camera. I'd have to agree with Bill on this. Carrying five interchangeable backs with my Hasselblad 500 (and there's no substantive difference in size or weight between the Hassy and the Pentax 645) would disable me from ever getting out into the landscape to do photography... I don't see how that would be any heavier than packing a view camera and 8 or 10 film holders along. Or were you implying that I'm smoking crack.. Shoot on Ilford XP2 Super and bracket. Saves a huge amount of time and effort, massive amount of weight to carry, and has so much more latitude that you hardly need to bracket so much. Excellent grain and acutance too. Drop them off for C41 processing, forget about all that time in the darkroom swishing film around in chemistry... I like XP2. Good stuff. But I also enjoy the darkroom very much. I'll die with Dektol in my veins, thank you very much. g You're probably right, though. All those backs are most likely more extra weight than I'd enjoy carrying for more than a mile or so. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys
On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:24 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: I don't see how that would be any heavier than packing a view camera and 8 or 10 film holders along. Or were you implying that I'm smoking crack.. lol Note that when I tried out 4x5 and 8x10 view camera work, it lasted about 10 weeks before I sold all the equipment and said No Way! Too much bother and junk to haul around. Not my style. You're probably right, though. All those backs are most likely more extra weight than I'd enjoy carrying for more than a mile or so. My Hassy days with the 903SWC and 500CM were good. I would hardly ever carry both at the same time, and hardly ever carry more than one lens and two backs. The 903SWC and two backs, good tripod was a fantastic setup. More than two backs is just unwieldy to work with ... it takes time to darkslide and swap the backs, the scene changes in between and so does the light. I have enjoyed very much using the loaner Pentax 645 with the 35mm and 45mm lenses. Coming up on time to return it to its owner soon. I have had three more people offer to sell me a 645 body/45/two 120 film magazine kit for ridiculously low prices. I still hesitate as I know I will use it very infrequently, need a better 120 format film scanner, and I need a second K10D body more. Sigh. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys
Scott Loveless wrote: On 3/6/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:18 AM, William Robb wrote: A couple of days ago I was about two seconds away from plunking down the cash for a 645 and three lenses - 45, 75, and 150. Then I started thinking about landscape photography and the zone system. My thoughts (the horror) led me to consider the possibility of having 5 interchangeable backs for N-2, N-1, N, N+1 and N+2. In an effort to keep the expenditure about the same, plus a little more for the extra backs, I'd be looking at a Mamiya M645-Super or a Bronica 6x6 or 645. Anyone have any experience with these systems they could share? What do you think about having the extra backs to accomodate zone system exposure? Or am I smoking crack? Yer smoking crack. Buy a view camera. I'd have to agree with Bill on this. Carrying five interchangeable backs with my Hasselblad 500 (and there's no substantive difference in size or weight between the Hassy and the Pentax 645) would disable me from ever getting out into the landscape to do photography... I don't see how that would be any heavier than packing a view camera and 8 or 10 film holders along. Or were you implying that I'm smoking crack.. Shoot with Quickoads/Readyloads. 1 holder, 1 4x5 field camera, box of film. Notably lighter than a MF SLR and 5 backs. Shoot on Ilford XP2 Super and bracket. Saves a huge amount of time and effort, massive amount of weight to carry, and has so much more latitude that you hardly need to bracket so much. Excellent grain and acutance too. Drop them off for C41 processing, forget about all that time in the darkroom swishing film around in chemistry... I like XP2. Good stuff. But I also enjoy the darkroom very much. I'll die with Dektol in my veins, thank you very much. g You're probably right, though. All those backs are most likely more extra weight than I'd enjoy carrying for more than a mile or so. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys
- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys I see now that used Sinar F cameras really aren't that expensive. God, you suck. If you want a nice landscape camera, look at a Tachihara or one of the other wood field cameras. They don't have all the movements of a monorail, but most of that is lost in the field anyway. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys
On 3/6/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys I see now that used Sinar F cameras really aren't that expensive. God, you suck. If you want a nice landscape camera, look at a Tachihara or one of the other wood field cameras. They don't have all the movements of a monorail, but most of that is lost in the field anyway. I currently have a Crown Graphic, of which I've stripped all the extras off. No rangefinder, no viewfinder, no flash bracket, got rid of the cable that runs to the shutter release on the body, etc. I was shooting polaroid film with it for a while. When I get a darkroom put together that will accomodate 4x5 it may come out of it's case again. The medium format rig I'm envisioning is a compromise. In an effort to slim down my kit, I think that a 645 rig may be a decent solution. Almost small enough for a walk around camera, suitable for a studio, and almost big enough for landscapes. While we're on the subject, two of the lenses I've chosen are the 75/2.8 and 150/3.5. But an 80-160/4.5 would pretty much cover those focal lengths with a bit of reduction in speed. Anyone have any issues with either of these lenses? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys
If you have access to a MF film scanner you can bracket and take the best sky, land, and foreground/background and put them together by blending channels in Photoshop. No extra backs or anything needed. Except a sturdy tripod...but you'll have that anyway. -Brendan --- Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: On 3/6/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:18 AM, William Robb wrote: A couple of days ago I was about two seconds away from plunking down the cash for a 645 and three lenses - 45, 75, and 150. Then I started thinking about landscape photography and the zone system. My thoughts (the horror) led me to consider the possibility of having 5 interchangeable backs for N-2, N-1, N, N+1 and N+2. In an effort to keep the expenditure about the same, plus a little more for the extra backs, I'd be looking at a Mamiya M645-Super or a Bronica 6x6 or 645. Anyone have any experience with these systems they could share? What do you think about having the extra backs to accomodate zone system exposure? Or am I smoking crack? Yer smoking crack. Buy a view camera. I'd have to agree with Bill on this. Carrying five interchangeable backs with my Hasselblad 500 (and there's no substantive difference in size or weight between the Hassy and the Pentax 645) would disable me from ever getting out into the landscape to do photography... I don't see how that would be any heavier than packing a view camera and 8 or 10 film holders along. Or were you implying that I'm smoking crack.. Shoot with Quickoads/Readyloads. 1 holder, 1 4x5 field camera, box of film. Notably lighter than a MF SLR and 5 backs. Shoot on Ilford XP2 Super and bracket. Saves a huge amount of time and effort, massive amount of weight to carry, and has so much more latitude that you hardly need to bracket so much. Excellent grain and acutance too. Drop them off for C41 processing, forget about all that time in the darkroom swishing film around in chemistry... I like XP2. Good stuff. But I also enjoy the darkroom very much. I'll die with Dektol in my veins, thank you very much. g You're probably right, though. All those backs are most likely more extra weight than I'd enjoy carrying for more than a mile or so. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 vs. those other guys
Scott Loveless wrote: A couple of days ago I was about two seconds away from plunking down the cash for a 645 and three lenses - 45, 75, and 150. Then I started thinking about landscape photography and the zone system. My thoughts (the horror) led me to consider the possibility of having 5 interchangeable backs for N-2, N-1, N, N+1 and N+2. In an effort to keep the expenditure about the same, plus a little more for the extra backs, I'd be looking at a Mamiya M645-Super or a Bronica 6x6 or 645. Anyone have any experience with these systems they could share? What do you think about having the extra backs to accomodate zone system exposure? Or am I smoking crack? Thanks! I just think you're smoking crack. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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God, you suck. No, he /enables/. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax 645 + Carl Ziess Jena lenses?
Ralf, judging from your website, you are a Kiev user, rather than a Pentacon Six user right? RegardsP Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Ralf R. Radermacher Sendt: 24. februar 2007 20:07 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Pentax 645 + Carl Ziess Jena lenses? Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have any of you guys experiences with this? I'm thinking about getting a 645 body for my excellent Pentacon Six lenses (CZ Jena and Schneider-Kreuznach). Not with the Pentax 645 but I had a Mamiya 645 Pro for a time and used my Zeiss Jena lenses on it with an adaptor supplied by... http://www.baierfoto.de/#english They also have one for the Pentax 645. Works fine if you don't mind the loss of the auto diaphragm. I eventually sold the 645 because I'm more comfortable with the square 6x6 format. I'm still using my P6 lenses, especially the 4/300 mm lens, with a P6-PK adaptor on the K10D. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 02/23/2007 13:26 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/700 - Release Date: 02/24/2007 20:14 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 + Carl Ziess Jena lenses?
Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralf, judging from your website, you are a Kiev user, rather than a Pentacon Six user right? Correct. For the reasons explained there I'm using the Zeiss/Pentacon lenses on a modified Kiev 60 (MLU, Rollei screen, mirror box flocking etc.). Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 + Carl Ziess Jena lenses?
Should be doable. I know adaptors are available for Mamiya M645's, and the Pentax isn't all that different in register. -Adam Jens Bladt wrote: Have any of you guys experiences with this? I'm thinking about getting a 645 body for my excellent Pentacon Six lenses (CZ Jena and Schneider-Kreuznach). Regards Jens Bladt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 02/23/2007 13:26 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 + Carl Ziess Jena lenses?
There are adapters available. This is the first one I found after a quick google search. Ebay item number 170028746628. http://cgi.ebay.com/Pentacon-Kiev-88CM-Lens-to-Pentax-645-Body-Adapter-NEW_W0QQitemZ170028746628QQihZ007QQcategoryZ30059QQcmdZViewItem On 2/24/07, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have any of you guys experiences with this? I'm thinking about getting a 645 body for my excellent Pentacon Six lenses (CZ Jena and Schneider-Kreuznach). Regards Jens Bladt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 02/23/2007 13:26 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 + Carl Ziess Jena lenses?
Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have any of you guys experiences with this? I'm thinking about getting a 645 body for my excellent Pentacon Six lenses (CZ Jena and Schneider-Kreuznach). Not with the Pentax 645 but I had a Mamiya 645 Pro for a time and used my Zeiss Jena lenses on it with an adaptor supplied by... http://www.baierfoto.de/#english They also have one for the Pentax 645. Works fine if you don't mind the loss of the auto diaphragm. I eventually sold the 645 because I'm more comfortable with the square 6x6 format. I'm still using my P6 lenses, especially the 4/300 mm lens, with a P6-PK adaptor on the K10D. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax 645 + Carl Ziess Jena lenses?
Thanks Ralf, Scott and Adam. Sounds great. The 645 bodies are quite affordable now, and I stille use medium format for grouo portraits, aerial photography, landscape and such. Best regards Jens Bladt Nytårkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Ralf R. Radermacher Sendt: 24. februar 2007 20:07 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Pentax 645 + Carl Ziess Jena lenses? Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have any of you guys experiences with this? I'm thinking about getting a 645 body for my excellent Pentacon Six lenses (CZ Jena and Schneider-Kreuznach). Not with the Pentax 645 but I had a Mamiya 645 Pro for a time and used my Zeiss Jena lenses on it with an adaptor supplied by... http://www.baierfoto.de/#english They also have one for the Pentax 645. Works fine if you don't mind the loss of the auto diaphragm. I eventually sold the 645 because I'm more comfortable with the square 6x6 format. I'm still using my P6 lenses, especially the 4/300 mm lens, with a P6-PK adaptor on the K10D. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 02/23/2007 13:26 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 02/23/2007 13:26 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Pentax 645 + Carl Ziess Jena lenses?
Ralf - actually, I do have a Pentax K-adapter for my P6 lenses, but I have never used it. The Sonnor 300mm lens is one, I don't have. It must be huge! I have the 180mm Sonnar, which weighs a ton, but it's an excellent lens. My best one must be the Schnieder-Kreuznach 2.8/80mm Xenotar, which is absolutely brilliant! It is said to be one of the finest 80mm MF lenses ever made! I got the rather rahr 2.8/80mm Tessar not so long ago, but I never tried it :-) I just think this silver lens looks so good :-) Thanks for the link to Baier Foto. I didn't know about this! Scott - thanks for the ebay link as well! Regards Jens Bladt Nytårkort / Greeting Card: http://www.jensbladt.dk/godtnytaar2007/lydshow.html http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Ralf R. Radermacher Sendt: 24. februar 2007 20:07 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Pentax 645 + Carl Ziess Jena lenses? Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have any of you guys experiences with this? I'm thinking about getting a 645 body for my excellent Pentacon Six lenses (CZ Jena and Schneider-Kreuznach). Not with the Pentax 645 but I had a Mamiya 645 Pro for a time and used my Zeiss Jena lenses on it with an adaptor supplied by... http://www.baierfoto.de/#english They also have one for the Pentax 645. Works fine if you don't mind the loss of the auto diaphragm. I eventually sold the 645 because I'm more comfortable with the square 6x6 format. I'm still using my P6 lenses, especially the 4/300 mm lens, with a P6-PK adaptor on the K10D. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 02/23/2007 13:26 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 02/23/2007 13:26 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Pentax 645 + Carl Ziess Jena lenses?
sonnar 300/4 usually goes for $300. for twice that much you can get p645 300/4 ED IF, which is in a totally different league! best, mishka On 2/24/07, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralf - actually, I do have a Pentax K-adapter for my P6 lenses, but I have never used it. The Sonnor 300mm lens is one, I don't have. It must be huge! I have the -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
