RE: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-08 Thread Lawrence Kwan

On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Kent Gittings wrote:
 I think you are missing some info. The chip in the Dimage 7 is the same one
 that is in the Nikon D-1x which is 5.24 MP and 23.7mm x 15.6mm. It's a
 matter of semantics.
  When you see a CCD array listed as 2/3 inch it doesn't refer to the actual
 size but to the ratio when compared to a 35mm frame.

This is not true.  Dimage 7's CCD is *much* smaller than that of Nikon
D1x.  The focal length of the lens is the big clue (more on this later).

2/3 is a standard specifications used in CCD image sensor - and it has
nothing to do with 35mm frame.  The image circle diameter of a 2/3 or 2/3
type CCD sensor is actually only 11mm:

http://www.navitar.com/zoom/cctv_how.htm

Please note that the horizontal and verticle measurement in the table of
the above web page is not correct; as it was calculated for 4:3 TV image
CCD.  For 3:2 photo CCD, the 2/3 sensor should roughly measures 9.15mm x
6.10mm which is approx 4x lens ratio.  And this agrees with the specs:
Dimage 7 lens has focal length 7.2-50.8 (35mm equilvalent of 28-200).

 lens ratio. The chips that say 1/1.8 inch (Dimage 5 is an example) are
 physically approximately 20mm x 13.3mm.

No, more like 7.40mm x 4.93mm; thus yielding a 35mm equilvalent of 35-250
focal length despite using the same 7.2-50.8 lens as Dimage 7.

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RE: My article about Portfolios

2001-12-08 Thread Malcolm Smith

Mike,

Greatly appreciatedmore questions will surely follow.

Malcolm

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Sent: 08 December 2001 05:58
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Subject: My article about Portfolios


Malcolm S. wrote:

 Whoa! Some of us (alright me) need this sort of advice
[snip]
 You may know it all, I don't.


Malcolm,
I finally found my article on preparing a portfolio--you can read it at:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/opinion/mikejohnston/index.htm

Hope this helps--

--Mike
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RE: Photo Greeting Cards

2001-12-08 Thread Malcolm Smith

I would like to have Christmas cards made from some slides I took a few
years back in the forest, lots of snow a festive appeal. I approached a few
companies who would print the cards, but the minimum order would see me to
2020 with them!

Would I be better off investing in a good printer and software package?

Malcolm

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Subject: Re: Photo Greeting Cards


Shel, not exactly an answer to your question, but there is an outfit that
sells a variety of cards onto which you can attach 4X6 or 31/2X5 copies
of your prints. It's called Photographer's Edge - www.photographersedge.com.
Cards are priced at about a $1.10 each with envelope, depending on volume
purchased.

Ken Waller
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Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 5:50 PM
Subject: Photo Greeting Cards


 Is there a company that makes greeting cards on which you can print your
 own photo?

 Not interested in digital for this project.
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Re: New Toy: Auto 110

2001-12-08 Thread Paul Ewins

Hi Christian,
Having run test films through both my 110 and 110 Super I would
advise you use it outdoors only. Using the AF130P was fairly hit and miss
with red eye and nasty shadows and it was very difficult to focus precisely
indoors. Plus with the flash attached it is not nearly so compact.

Outside though, all the photos were fine, and some closeups of roses looked
almost as good at 4x6 as 35mm usually does. It does make sense as a PS, but
only if you never want to enlarge your photos.

I did have some problems with the second film, which was a kodak 400. The
bottom third of the film appeared to have some sort of stain or colour shift
on it. I'm not sure whether it was the film or the processing, but it was on
the whole film, not just the individual frames, so it wasn't a camera thing.
It also varied in width and petered out before the end of the film.

Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia


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From: Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 5:33 AM
Subject: New Toy: Auto 110


 Ok, I couldn't resist and bought a Pentax Auto 110 with 28mm lens and
AF100P
 flash.  It came in the box but used with manuals for camera and flash and
an
 original brochure.

 I love it already!

 Why, you may ask did I buy it?  Well, I love compact cameras... ULTRA
compact.
 I hate taking snap shots with point and shoots that are the size and
weight of
 bricks.  The auto 110 will replace a Minolta 16 Qt that is difficult to
deal
 with because of the film format.  110 film is still available (for now!).
 It's the same size (give or take) as the Minolta and is easily pocketable.

 A few issues: I think the meter may be broken because it never indicates a
 green LED regardless of subject.  It's cloudy today so there might be
issues
 but I am using Kodak Gold 400.  It seems to work fine with the flash.
Also
 when I trip the shutter without the flash mounted and the LED is yellow
the
 shutter just stays open.  I have to remove the batteries to get it to
close so
 that I can wind to the next frame and cock the shutter.

 Any ideas would be helpful.

 Thanks!

 Christian Skofteland
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Re: Portfolios...

2001-12-08 Thread Mike Johnston

Bob S. wrote:

 My efforts at making a serious portfolio have been half hearted.  I think the
 web can provide some incentive.  The best that I've managed to do to date was
 the Wind Point page I put up some time ago.
   http://members.aol.com/rfsindg/WindPoint.html  
 It takes some effort but the results are satisfying to look back on.
 I hope to have enough butterfly shots to make another site.


Bob,
Another really interesting project. Goes to show how much variety there is
in a single subject. Thanks. I plant to spend some more time here too.

--Mike
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Dunne Randle??

2001-12-08 Thread Camdir

Sounds suspiciously like the well known firm of lawyers, Sue, Grabbit  Runne.

But I digress. 

Just which fine  upstanding fellow upon this very list is it that works in 
this establishment?

BTW - this is teetering on being On Topic

Kind regards

Peter
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Re: Dunne Randle??

2001-12-08 Thread Gary L. Murphy

On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:23:10 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sounds suspiciously like the well known firm of lawyers, Sue, Grabbit  Runne.

Which is affiliated with the law firm of: Dewey, Cheatem,  Howe
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PLASTIC aperture pin BROKE (SFXn) ;( METAL ONE?

2001-12-08 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Hi,
   the aperture indexing pin (the one which tells the body which
   aperture is set on the lens) on my SFXn is (was) made of plastic.
   One day (yesterday), it decided it breaks. It broke! Stupid damn
   engineer at Pentax who decided to save 0.005$ by making this part
   plastic not metal. Now all my lenses are useless on this body, I
   have to meter using a spotmeter...

   Please, can you check your Z1s and Z1ps if there is this ring also
   from plastic or metal? I am hoping that some AF pentax used this
   ring made from metal, and I could replace the fragile plastic one
   with metal one. Thanks...


Good light,
 Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: A new toy:)

2001-12-08 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

CR The K mount version is the Mir 47-K 20 mm. 2.5, but it is not optically
CR the same lens. In fact, I bought one of those in ebay some days ago,
CR from the seller whose ID is ustas (known by severalPDML members as a
CR provider of Zenitar 16 mm. 2.8 K mount lenses) and I'm waiting for it
CR to arrive here in the next few days.

Carlos, when it arrives, please tell us your opinion on it. Especially
if you can compare to Flektogon or 20/3.5

Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: SUVs

2001-12-08 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

[like ... all SUVs opponents are Marxists ...]
CB The world view behind the opponents of SUVs is more worrisome than SUVs themselves.
CB jm2c,
CB Collin

Now it seems to me that your view (that _all_ opponents of SUVs is more
worrisome... and that they must be _all_ Marxists) is much more
worrisome than both SUVs and Marxists...

Coming from a former Communist country, which had its share of terror
and death from Marxism, which contributed in its incarnation of
Leninism to several million people dead in concentration camps and
from genocide, I am NOT AMUSED by your ignorant post. In fact, it's
just plain stupid.

Frantisek
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Re: New Toy: Auto 110

2001-12-08 Thread Christian Skofteland

Thanks Paul;

I think fresh batteries sorted the meter out.  I'm going to finish a roll of
Kodak 400 with and without flash.  I'll let everyone know the results.

Christian Skofteland
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Paul Ewins [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 Hi Christian,
 Having run test films through both my 110 and 110 Super I
would
 advise you use it outdoors only. Using the AF130P was fairly hit and miss
 with red eye and nasty shadows and it was very difficult to focus
precisely
 indoors. Plus with the flash attached it is not nearly so compact.

 Outside though, all the photos were fine, and some closeups of roses
looked
 almost as good at 4x6 as 35mm usually does. It does make sense as a PS,
but
 only if you never want to enlarge your photos.

 I did have some problems with the second film, which was a kodak 400. The
 bottom third of the film appeared to have some sort of stain or colour
shift
 on it. I'm not sure whether it was the film or the processing, but it was
on
 the whole film, not just the individual frames, so it wasn't a camera
thing.
 It also varied in width and petered out before the end of the film.

 Paul Ewins
 Melbourne, Australia
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Re: OT: SUV's

2001-12-08 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Tuesday, December 04, 2001, 6:10:12 AM, Tom wrote:
TR I alway felt safest driving an eighteen wheeler. Except for idiots in
TR passenger cars who seemed to think a 80,000-100,000 pound truck could stop
TR on a dime that is.
TR Ciao,
TR --graywolf

In that case, an Armoured Personel Carrier seems to be a bit safer :)
except for the consumption in gallons per mile, not miles per gallon
;(

Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek

   P.S.: in my initial post, I insisted that people wanting to DISCUSS
   this topic move off-list. Please remember it. I DID NOT WANT to
   discuss it on PENTAX DISCUSS MAILING LIST! It is far too off-topic.
   I am sorry for the abundance of off-topic messages, but if people
   exercise enough self-control, we can have both free discussions AND
   free PDML of OT messages...
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Re: Bastard Penguin

2001-12-08 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Apparently it's OK if the topic is frivolous.  It's only taboo here if
the topic is important.

Robert Harris wrote:

 Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

  It also very OT

 Horrors! We can't have any of that. :)

 Bob
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Re: Pentax semi-OT question

2001-12-08 Thread Mark Roberts

Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Chris Brogden wrote:

 ObPentax: Why do all the local girls who use Pentax have to have
 boyfriends?   *L*

In Aaron's experience, Nikon girls are trouble.  One puked on me on New 
Year's Eve at a club!

Not that it matters anymore, since I'm getting married, but Aaron's two 
rules were No More Nikon Girls and No More 'Actresses'.

I bought Vanessa an ME Super, so she's a Pentax girl.  You might try to 
work it that way, Chris.

Well, I gave my S.O. an ME Super so she's partly a Pentax girl, but she uses a
Nikon (microscope) at work (but only because she couldn't get the university to
spring for a Zeiss!)

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Re: OT: December 7, 2001

2001-12-08 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Yes, Frank, I'm familiar with the Halifax explosion, and I remembered that
it was in WWI, but I never noticed the date.  It is important for all of us,
of all nations, to learn and remember our history, and to honor those who
created and preserved our repective cultures.

frank theriault wrote:

 Hi, Dan,

 A very moving picture, a reminder of a horrendous event in your
 country's history, to be sure.

 A lot of peope (even in Canada) don't know that December 7 is also the
 anniversary of another horrendous event, the Halifax Explosion.  In 1917
 a relief ship collided with a munitions ship in the harbour.  The
 munitions ship caught fire, and exploded.  It was (and remains) the
 largest man-made non-atomic explosion ever.

 2000 people died immediately.  About another 1200 died that night, most
 trapped in their houses under rubble, as the worst blizzard in decades
 swept through Halifax.  The whole north end of the city was levelled.
 This, in a city of maybe 50,000 at the time.

 Railway lines and telegraph lines were all destroyed, effectively
 isolating the city.  Relief supplies and medical help from other parts
 of the country couldn't get in for days.  In fact, the first relief came
 by ship from Boston.  To this day, as a gesture of thanks, the City of
 Halifax sends a huge Christmas tree (cut down from Lunenberg County,
 where my Mom lives, btw) to the City of Boston.  It's lit in a large
 ceremony every year in Boston Commons.

 I know this is OT, but the image that you linked us to in your post
 reminded me of that event.  Like I said, many Canadians aren't aware
 that such a terrible event happened in our country, let alone the rest
 of the world.

 regards,
 frank

 Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

  Photo of the Day (not mine):
 
  http://www.thedaily.com/overlook.html
 
  Dan
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Re: I am not OT...I am not OT....

2001-12-08 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Unfortunately, I also remember curb feelers!

 . How many remember the old
  curb feelers people used to put on the corners of their cars in the past
  (some still do)?

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 Stouffville Ontario Canada

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Re: Mid role rewind on MZM

2001-12-08 Thread Brendan

The MZ-M rewinds the roll all the way in, you'll need
a film puller to
get the leader back out, also the camera will not
advance to the frame
of your choice, you'll have to set shutter to 1/2000
and aperture to
F22/32 and then also keep the lens and veiwfinder
covered and expose
to the frame you need, leave one blank frame between
the one you need
and the last exposed frame, I do this all the time
with no trouble.


--- Christien Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Hi there.
 
 Does the Middle Role Rewind on the MZM leave the
 tongue out ?
 
 If it doesnt, how do I get the tongue out.
 
 Lets say I put in a used role. Can I tell the unit
 to forward to a certain
 frame , or do i have to snap until it reaches the
 last frame I was on ?
 
 Does puting in a used role of film in anyway scratch
 the film ? Seeing that it
 was out and put in once already.
 
 Thanks
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RE: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-08 Thread Frits J. Wüthrich

Jos,

I would say the manufacturer can program such information about the
geometric distortion into the lens, so it would be transferred to the camera
while using it, just like we have now with other lens data.

Frits Wüthrich from the UK at the moment.


Jos from Holland wrote:
 I see some more opportunities for small CCD cameras. What about the (much)
 larger D.O.F.? I did not see much discussion about this point.
 For some time
 I thought that the larger D.O.F of smaller CCD size was a disadvantage for
 digital photography, but I'm changing my mind for a new way of
 working: take
 the picture with everything as sharp as possible and add the creative
 unsharpnes (including bokey) in photoshop!
 For macro photography, the increase of DOF is realy very welcom!
 Another advantage for the optics of small size CCD is that the difficult
 compromise between all optical aspects can be broken. That would lead to
 better and/or cheaper lenses. For instance allow more geometric
 distosion in
 favour of better sharpness and/or coma. The geometric distorsion could be
 corrected digitally. This digital correction could be a one time
 calibration
 by showing a square to the camera and telling the camera that that is a
 square. Of course at different zoom positions. Is this crazy? Or just
 future?;-)
 Jos
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Re: Pentax semi-OT question

2001-12-08 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

Chris Niesmertelny wrote:

 Quick informal poll.
 Potion of choice?

After a long day of shooting with Pentax cameras, I like Dalmore single
malt scotch, with a little water, no ice.
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Re: Digital competing with film?

2001-12-08 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

MJ Finally, you should go take a look at this page if you think digital cannot
MJ compete with film. BTW, Michael Reichmann is a friend, and publishes some of
MJ my old articles on his site; I know what kind of photographer he is and what
MJ his standards are. In both senses he is to be reckoned with--he is no mere
MJ booster.

MJ http://www.luminous-landscape.com/d30_vs_film.htm

MJ Be sure to read the updates as well.

MJ --Mike

I have an opinion about this article, and without any disrespect, it
seems to me a bit biased. That's nothing wrong, though - it's hard to
not get biased when comparing prints. Some people like more no grain
of the D30, some like much more the much higher sharpness and
_detail_  of the Provia F or Velvia or whatever. The most interesting
point in the discussion is not the article itself (not much value
IMHO without comparing the prints),
but the resulting forum, on which is posted a pair of photos of the
prints (details with macro lens). On the D30 print, a lack of grain is
remarkable (work of genuine fractals I guess). But compare the fine lettering
in the billboard - D30 is cleary LACKING DETAIL by a magnitude. The
film print is more grainy (could be less, if going through Genuine
fractals I think), but shows MUCH MORE DETAIL in the billboard
lettering.

Now again, some pictures IMO just _require_ small detail. _Most_ (but
not all) landscapes, FOR ME, fall into this category.

So that is IMHO meaningless. One cannot compare (as you, Mike,
frequently wrote G) effectively prints. I have seen a very good
exhibition of landscapes which were blurred so much that it was hard
to see any details at all. Art. But very beatuful!

So, articles like that one are meaningless IMO.

Good light,
   Frantisek Vlcek
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Re: greater Chicagoland PDMLers unite!

2001-12-08 Thread Mark Cassino

I'm game.  I'm at the mid-point between Chicago and Detroit - have enjoyed 
meeting with the Detroit area pugsters, wouldn't mind heading west for a 
change either.

- MCC

At 02:49 PM 12/7/01 -0600, you wrote:
Bob,

I could be in for a greater Chicagoland photo shoot, if we can all 
 agree on an interesting location (like we agree on everything else on 
 this list - no, on second thoughts, not like that).  Downtown Chicago 
 would do it for me!

Richard.

home page:  www.richard-seaman.com

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Subject: Re: Leonid meteor shower in Chicago

Richard,

Thanks for the info.  I spent 10 years in Racine, Wisconsin so I understand
the idea of dark sky out north of Harvard, Illinois.

We should get the Illinois/Michigan/Indiana contingent of the pdml together
for a photo shoot some time.

Regards,  Bob S.


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Re: Pentax semi-OT question

2001-12-08 Thread LEDMRVM

In a message dated 12/8/2001 1:16:29 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Quick informal poll.
   Potion of choice?
  
  After a long day of shooting with Pentax cameras, I like Dalmore single
  malt scotch, with a little water, no ice.
  

Maker's Mark bourbon. Ice, no water. This works well after an evening in the 
darkroom.

Ed M.
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Re: monopods

2001-12-08 Thread Stan Halpin

Wendy - Unfortunately for the state of my bank account and my credit rating,
I don't usually consider whether a purchase is worth the money. rather, I
think in terms of how badly do I think I want/need that . . .  As one rule
of thumb, when you need the specialized tool, be it high viewpoint finder or
macro lens or GPS-activated shutter for sequence shots in a cross-country
drive (I made that up, but it might be interesting . . .), when you need the
tool, it is worth what you had to pay for it. If you can get by without it,
then it is not worth it.

For me, the more serious question is, is it worth the extra space, weight,
and awkwardness in handling to use the high viewpoint or other special
finders on the LX. I have them, when I really need them they are really
wonderful, but each extra gadget adds a bit of nuisance and detracts just a
bit from the smooth capture of what I see.

 From: wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 23:04:55 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: monopods
 
 At 21:04 7-12-2001 -0500, stan wrote:
 On the other hand, if you are sitting in the spectator section at the
 agility trials and merely panning back and forth with the 'pod holding the
 camera at eye level, life is better.  But you'll still find the high
 viewpoint finder a blessing.
 
 Thanks for the tip, Stan.
 
 It makes sense
 Trouble is, those finders are a little on the pricey side. Worth the money
 would you say?
 
 (I think I already know the answer to that..)
 Wendy
 
 ---
 Wendy  Paul Beard
 Ottawa, Canada
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Re: Bastard Penguin

2001-12-08 Thread aimcompute

Gotta love that DIGITAL quality.  ;-)  It was funny.

Tom C.

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From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jim holt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linda Hensley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 12:43 PM
Subject: Bastard Penguin


 I don't usually pass along jokes, but I thought this was hilarious.


 http://www.newlabour.co.uk/penguin.htm

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Re: Graywolf?

2001-12-08 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Still trying to recover from a bad virus. grin. I think I've finally
gotten this computer almost setup back the way it was.

I did receive the prints, they rate an F, but? I am still thinking about
that but.

 --graywolf



Mike Johnston wrote:
 
 By the way, where did Tom Rittenhouse go? I was looking forward to an
 evaluation of my digiprints on the A-F scale.
 
 I hope the Great Early December OT Spasm didn't drive him away.
 
 --Mike
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Re: some interesting NG thoughts on digital consumers

2001-12-08 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Yep! Rule one for business, any business, if you are cheap you get cheap
customers. 

For years I tried to be a photographer that people could afford. No
matter how cheap I priced myself, my customers said I was too expensive
and were never satisfied with my work.

Then I came into one of those Polaroid ID Machines. Someone told me I
could make money with it. I wasn't much interested so I priced my work
at $100/hr (actually $75, but I underestimated the production per hour).
What did my customers say about paying $100/hr + rental on the ID
Machine + Supplies at 150% of cost? That's reasonable. Remember, thas
was 20 years ago, and I could teach anyone to make ID bages with ID-2 in
a half hour.

Lesson learned: Never low bid. If you have to low bid to get the job, 
the hassles you are going to have with your customer makes you better
off if you didn't get that job in the first place.

Ciao,
graywolf


Aaron Reynolds wrote:

 Has anyone else noticed that the clientele seem to get cheaper as the
 price gets cheaper?
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Re: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best combo?

2001-12-08 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Actually, in the old days =mid-sixties' WA weren't exactly great
performers. When you multiplied their faults x 2 + added the faults of
the teleconverter you got rather soft pictures. But like a lot of the
photographic rules we seem to be slaves to it doesn't much apply to
today's equipment. Also, true WA, not retrofocus, protrude too far out
the back of the mount to use a teleconverer.

Ciao,
graywolf



William Robb wrote:
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Scott
 Subject: RE: which 2 lenses and a teleconverter make the best
 combo?
 
  Why? What happens?
 
 Just for fun, I stuck the only teleconverter I had easily at
 hand, which is a Takumar 2x onto the LX and put the A 24mm f/2.8
 on. I could see no signs of vignetting, which is what I was
 expecting to see.
 I then tried the same thing with the A 20mm f/2.8 and also saw
 no signs of vignetting in the finder. I opened the back and
 tripped the shutter on B, and was able to see a full image
 circle from the corners of the film plane.
 Focussing is fine, and metering is fine.
 I had always thought that there would be serious vignetting with
 a wide angle and a teleconverter. I am not saying there won't be
 with some combination, but with the two lenses I tried and the
 teleconverter I tried, it appears to be a viable combination.
 William Robb
 
 
  Kent wrote:
  As far as I know you can't use a TC with a wide angle lens of
 24mm. I think
  about 50mm is the lower limit.
  Kent Gittings
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RE: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-08 Thread Jos from Holland

I would say the manufacturer can program such information about the
geometric distortion into the lens, so it would be transferred to the
camera
while using it, just like we have now with other lens data.

Frits Wüthrich from the UK at the moment.

Good point, Frits, but an (additional)adjustment possibility on the body
would be nice. When using an coverter in between the lens and the body
another correction would be needed I guess. And a cheap fisheye converter
could be corrected to be rectangualar!?
Jos.
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Re: Photo Greeting Cards

2001-12-08 Thread Kenneth Waller

In my opinion - yes
I do these cards (Photographer's Edge) all the time. I use a 3 to 4 year old
Epson Stylus Photo and their 4 X 6 photopaper. I have my significant
images scanned to a Photo CD, use Photoshop 5.0 to size and color correct.
Not counting ink and scanning, my costs are under $1.50 per card.
I've seen images in these cards being sold for $6.00 each. You don't need
software as sophisticated/complex as Photoshop.
Ken Waller
- Original Message -
From: Malcolm Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:13 AM
Subject: RE: Photo Greeting Cards


 I would like to have Christmas cards made from some slides I took a few
 years back in the forest, lots of snow a festive appeal. I approached a
few
 companies who would print the cards, but the minimum order would see me to
 2020 with them!

 Would I be better off investing in a good printer and software package?

 Malcolm

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kenneth Waller
 Sent: 08 December 2001 01:22
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Photo Greeting Cards


 Shel, not exactly an answer to your question, but there is an outfit that
 sells a variety of cards onto which you can attach 4X6 or 31/2X5
copies
 of your prints. It's called Photographer's Edge -
www.photographersedge.com.
 Cards are priced at about a $1.10 each with envelope, depending on volume
 purchased.

 Ken Waller
 - Original Message -
 From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 5:50 PM
 Subject: Photo Greeting Cards


  Is there a company that makes greeting cards on which you can print your
  own photo?
 
  Not interested in digital for this project.
  --
  Shel Belinkoff
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PDML Challenge (opinions wanted)

2001-12-08 Thread Tom Rittenhouse

Hi guys.

I have received prints from a couple of list members that were not their
pictures. They in my opinion were about what you would get if you pressed the
button on that printer down at the computer store. Really nice, but could you
or I get that, not having a $100/hr PhotoShop expert to tweak our scans for
us?

I have already decided that such prints will not be considered for the prizes,
but should I consider them for rating the printer? What do you think?

Ciao,
graywolf
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Re: A new toy:)

2001-12-08 Thread Carlos Royo

Frantisek Vlcek wrote:
 
 Carlos, when it arrives, please tell us your opinion on it. Especially
 if you can compare to Flektogon or 20/3.5
 

When I have received it and shoot a few frames, I'll let you know.
Unfortunately, I don't have the Flektogon to make a comparison, and, by
the way, I was offered one some months ago, but I let it pass.

Regards,

--
Carlos Royo
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Re: PDML Challenge (opinions wanted)

2001-12-08 Thread Kenneth Waller

Tom for what its worth - if you have the time and are so inclined - include
the ratings only to determine what the ultimate capability might be if we
all were $100/hr Photoshop experts - it  might be a way to take operator
error out of the equation.
Ken Waller
- Original Message -
From: Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 2:57 PM
Subject: PDML Challenge (opinions wanted)


 Hi guys.

 I have received prints from a couple of list members that were not their
 pictures. They in my opinion were about what you would get if you pressed
the
 button on that printer down at the computer store. Really nice, but could
you
 or I get that, not having a $100/hr PhotoShop expert to tweak our scans
for
 us?

 I have already decided that such prints will not be considered for the
prizes,
 but should I consider them for rating the printer? What do you think?

 Ciao,
 graywolf
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RE: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-08 Thread Rob Studdert

On 8 Dec 2001 at 17:51, Jos from Holland wrote:

 I see some more opportunities for small CCD cameras. What about the (much)
 larger D.O.F.? I did not see much discussion about this point. For some time 
 I thought that the larger D.O.F of smaller CCD size was a disadvantage for 
 digital photography, but I'm changing my mind for a new way of working: take 
 the picture with everything as sharp as possible and add the creative 
 unsharpnes (including bokey) in photoshop! For macro photography, the 
 increase of DOF is realy very welcom! 

Hi Jos,

I agree, the large DOF can be made to work for you particularly with macro work 
(which is the primary use for my camera), there isn't the option however of 
really limiting DOF for effect even with an f2 lens (which my digital camera 
has).

 Another advantage for the optics of small size CCD is that the difficult
 compromise between all optical aspects can be broken. That would lead to 
 better and/or cheaper lenses. For instance allow more geometric distosion in 
 favour of better sharpness and/or coma. The geometric distorsion could be 
 corrected digitally. This digital correction could be a one time calibration 
 by showing a square to the camera and telling the camera that that is a 
 square. Of course at different zoom positions. Is this crazy? Or just
 future?;-)

This is definitely possible (and would be really cool as you could probably 
also use a similar function to negate keystone perspective distortion) but 
would require quite considerable processing power to transform large pixel 
arrays (considerably more than the current processing algorithms require). Even 
though not optical there are some new innovations already being implemented, 
for instance the latest Oly 5MP camera subtracts a dark sample of the CCD from 
the wanted image to effectively reduce the visible CCD noise.

They have to get some basic things right first though. My main complaint with 
any of the digital cameras that I have tested for extended periods (5 now) is 
the problem of coma on high contrast edges. This is not lens related but a CCD 
aberrations and often manifests its self as a deep purple outline merging into 
the dark areas. It can be seen in most any digital pic where there is a dark 
branch against a bright sky.

Cheers,
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Re: PDML Challenge (opinions wanted)

2001-12-08 Thread Rob Studdert

On 8 Dec 2001 at 15:42, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 Tom for what its worth - if you have the time and are so inclined - include the
 ratings only to determine what the ultimate capability might be if we all were
 $100/hr Photoshop experts - it  might be a way to take operator error out of
 the equation.

In fact it might be a great option to also have a reference file available for 
DL so that each person can also submit the reference print as a control, ie 
it should be of very high quality (not necessarily artistically brilliant but 
sharp, contrasty, colourful and taxing to print) and shouldn't be tweaked in an 
editor. Good idea?

Cheers,


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Re: Sigma 400/5.6 APO Macro

2001-12-08 Thread Rob Studdert

On 8 Dec 2001 at 15:18, Doug Franklin wrote:

 Howdy, folks,
 
 Does anyone out there have any experience with the Sigma 400mm f/5.6
 APO Macro lens for Pentax AF?  It goes for about US$ 550 on closeout
 special at Adorama.  Goes to 1:3 macro with internal focusing and takes
 a 77mm filter.  It's a whopping 1.5 kg!

No experience but BH has them on their page for US$499.

Cheers,
Rob Studdert
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Re: Sigma 400/5.6 APO Macro

2001-12-08 Thread Rob Studdert

On 8 Dec 2001 at 15:18, Doug Franklin wrote:

 Howdy, folks,
 
 Does anyone out there have any experience with the Sigma 400mm f/5.6
 APO Macro lens for Pentax AF?  It goes for about US$ 550 on closeout
 special at Adorama.  Goes to 1:3 macro with internal focusing and takes
 a 77mm filter.  It's a whopping 1.5 kg!

Sorry didn't read the details properly, it was the Macro Zoom at US$499 , the 
APO Macro 400mm f/5.6 is somewhat more expensive from BH :-)

Cheers,
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
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Re: OT: SUV's

2001-12-08 Thread David A. Mann

Frantisek Vlcek wrote:

 In that case, an Armoured Personel Carrier seems to be a bit safer :)
 except for the consumption in gallons per mile, not miles per gallon
 ;(

 I saw a program on TV a couple of weeks back which had a piece on the 
space shuttle.  Liquid fuel consumption during takeoff was measured in 
something like gallons per foot.  I've forgotten the numbers though.

Cheers,


- Dave

David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
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Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up,
 while children are allowed to run free on the streets? -- Garfield
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Fw: Phase One on Pentax

2001-12-08 Thread Jostein Øksne

list,
A couple of days ago I boldly asked at the European office of PhaseOne
whether they intend to release a Pentax version of their new 11 Mpx
digital back.
Here's the answer I got. It's not really promising, but maybe if
enough of us nudged them a bit...

Any takers? :-)
Jostein
- Original Message -
From: Trine Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Phase One on Pentax


Dear Jostein Øksne,

Thank you for your email.

Your are right that Phase One's single-shot camera supports Contax 645
and
Mamiya 645AF, however, we are not planning support for Pentax. I will,
however, add your request to our request list - Normally we decide
which
cameras to support based on market research and the incoming requests.

If you have further questions please do not hesitate to contact us.

Regards,

Trine Voss
Product Manager
Phase One
Roskildevej 39
DK- Frederiksberg
Denmark
Tel: +45 36 46 01 11
Fax: +45 36 46 02 22
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No more Nikon girls

2001-12-08 Thread Mike Johnston

Aaron wrote:

 Not that it matters anymore, since I'm getting married, but Aaron's two
 rules were No More Nikon Girls and No More 'Actresses'.



My rules are no more married women, no more women in the middle of a
divorce, no more models, no more (much) younger women, and no more lawyers.

At my age that doesn't leave much. g

--Mike
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Disenablement? No

2001-12-08 Thread Mike Johnston

I wrote:
 Yeah, and the lens sucks, too. Fuji-bokeh, ugly. You wouldn't like it,
 Aaron.

And Aaron wrote: 
 Well, I hear the lens is really sharp.  But if the bokeh is ugly, well,
 that's it, no sale.

Well, actually, the lens IS really sharp--it's actually a wonderful lens (it
does suck wide open, though). But forget I told you this.
 

 Thank you for disenabling me, Mike. ;)

I wasn't disenabling, I was still enabling you--to buy the 75mm f/2.8 for
the P67. 

The Lens Purchase Enabler stays loyal to the original mission until
Objectives are reached. Carry on. g

--Mike
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An ME Super? Could you spare it?

2001-12-08 Thread Mike Johnston

Cheapskate Aaron wrote:

 I bought Vanessa an ME Super, so she's a Pentax girl.  You might try to
 work it that way, Chris.


Not even a ZX-5N? What's her engagement ring made of, kid, glass?

--Mike













Just kidding, Aaron. But I figured you'd spend more money where it really
counts. g
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Re: My article about Portfolios

2001-12-08 Thread Mike Johnston

Tom C. wrote:

 Subject: Re: My article about Portfolios
 
 OK...  it Mike... Where's Part III?
 
 
 Tom C.



Uh...well...that's what M.C. Lau (director of the MIR site) and Fred Newman
(who published the piece in The View Camera Store newsletter--or wants to)
keep asking me

I guess I should add that to my list of things to do, huh?

--Mike
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Re: Pentax semi-OT question

2001-12-08 Thread Otis Wright, Jr.

I'm rather fond of and ounce or two of Glenmoranagie --- no water, no ice
--- before we gather at the table. A bit of Grandfathers Port
afterwards as we retire to wherever rounds out the day quite nicely.  The
other evening as I was putting things in order, I happened to note that I
purchased the currently in use stock of both in their respective country of
origin -- great memories associated with each sip.

Have a great weekend...

Otis

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Chris Niesmertelny wrote:

  Quick informal poll.
  Potion of choice?

 After a long day of shooting with Pentax cameras, I like Dalmore single
 malt scotch, with a little water, no ice.
 --
 Daniel J. Matyola  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: PDML Challenge (opinions wanted)

2001-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist

I guess it depends on what we're looking for. If we're trying to determine what a
pdml member can do with the various printers, then we should exclude those images
that were not printed from a document prepared by the member, or at least
photographed by the member and scanned through an available source. In other
words, anything you can produce from an image of your own making should count..
Paul

Tom Rittenhouse wrote:

 Hi guys.

 I have received prints from a couple of list members that were not their
 pictures. They in my opinion were about what you would get if you pressed the
 button on that printer down at the computer store. Really nice, but could you
 or I get that, not having a $100/hr PhotoShop expert to tweak our scans for
 us?

 I have already decided that such prints will not be considered for the prizes,
 but should I consider them for rating the printer? What do you think?

 Ciao,
 graywolf
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Re: PDML Challenge (opinions wanted)

2001-12-08 Thread Chris Brogden

On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Tom Rittenhouse wrote:

 Really nice, but could you or I get that, not having a $100/hr
 PhotoShop expert to tweak our scans for us?
 
 I have already decided that such prints will not be considered for the prizes,
 but should I consider them for rating the printer? What do you think?

Sure, why not?  If the scale against which you're measuring them includes
something like excellent or gorgeous custom prints made by hand by a
superb custom printer, then it's only fair.  Why rate digital prints
against $100/hr custom film prints if you're not going to allow expert
digital prints?

chris
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Re: Juan's Portfolio web site

2001-12-08 Thread Juan J. Buhler

Thanks Mike for your comments, you're too nice.


 How many pictures do you get to pick in total?

25 to 30. The show will happen at the gallery in the St Francis
Hospital in San Francisco. Even though there's a curator whose
approval I have to go through, it's not a real gallery. It seems
like a great place for a first show, though.

Thanks again for your praise, it's too much but I'll take it :-)

j


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Re: Portfolios...

2001-12-08 Thread Juan J. Buhler

Hi Bob,

 The lamp post/river bank series of photos are interesting.  Have you tried
 any with the lamp post out of focus and the people in focus...just for
 variety.

Actually, that's the way I initially took the first picture, back in
'98 (the one with the painter) After taking one shot, I decided that
focusing on the lam would show just enough of the guy to see what he's
doing (roughly), while creating a kind of unconfortable balance (the
focus on an uninteresting object). In later visits to Paris I kept
taking those kinds of pictures, to make it a series. I'm not totally
crazy about it though, it's probably not going to make it to the show.
I think the series itself is kind of uneven.


 All in all, I'd say you have some difficult choices to make to bring this
 into a single, coherent portfolio.  I think several themed 'chapters' might
 be easier than one single, larger 'book'.

Well, the idea so far is that the two first groups are what I'm going
to show, and I'll separate them as such. I also have to work on the
order of pictures within each group (esp. the first one) to improve
the flow from pic to pic.


Thanks for your comments, and for looking. This is really helping me
get through with this first portfolio...

j


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MZ-s and BG10 grip (Pardon my ignorance)

2001-12-08 Thread Nicolas Colarusso, CGA

Hi,

I am receiving my MZ-s and BG10 grip on Tuesday; I have a question
concerning the grip. The price of the CR2 batteries is pretty steep, do
I need them if I have the grip installed (which takes AA batteries)?
Looking at pictures of the grip it seems like one has to insert it in
the battery compartment, so I would assume we have to remove them, but I
wouldn't mind a confirmation from someone who knows or has a grip.

Also would like to mention that the retailer told me that Pentax has a
promotion on now. If you buy an MZ-s with grip, they give you a free
remote control which is supposed to work with the grip.

Thanks
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Re: MZ-s and BG10 grip (Pardon my ignorance)

2001-12-08 Thread Mike

The BG10 has an arm that goes up into the battery compartment.
You have to remove the CR2 batteries to mount the BG10.

I found that most any Pentax remote will work with the BG10.
I have a Pentax 90WR remote that works, and a remote off
an IQzoom that works with the BG10. I bought mine extra, but
wouldn't have minded at all if Pentax had tossed one into the cost
of the BG10.

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| Hi,
| 
| I am receiving my MZ-s and BG10 grip on Tuesday; I have a question
| concerning the grip. The price of the CR2 batteries is pretty steep, do
| I need them if I have the grip installed (which takes AA batteries)?
| Looking at pictures of the grip it seems like one has to insert it in
| the battery compartment, so I would assume we have to remove them, but I
| wouldn't mind a confirmation from someone who knows or has a grip.
| 
| Also would like to mention that the retailer told me that Pentax has a
| promotion on now. If you buy an MZ-s with grip, they give you a free
| remote control which is supposed to work with the grip.
| 
| Thanks
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Re: MZ-s and BG10 grip (Pardon my ignorance)

2001-12-08 Thread Bill Owens

 Hi,

 I am receiving my MZ-s and BG10 grip on Tuesday; I have a question
 concerning the grip. The price of the CR2 batteries is pretty steep, do
 I need them if I have the grip installed (which takes AA batteries)?
 Looking at pictures of the grip it seems like one has to insert it in
 the battery compartment, so I would assume we have to remove them, but I
 wouldn't mind a confirmation from someone who knows or has a grip.

You are correct, the CR2 batteries are removed and AAs are placed in the
BG-10.  Also, be aware that the BG-10 has a switch for either alkaline or
lithium batteries.  Having access to discarded batteries from one time use
cameras, I always use alkalines.

 Also would like to mention that the retailer told me that Pentax has a
 promotion on now. If you buy an MZ-s with grip, they give you a free
 remote control which is supposed to work with the grip.

The remote control is a small infrared transmitter that does trip the
shutter, but only with the BG-10 grip attached.  I've found it very useful
except that it's almost too small for my fat fingers.

Bill, KG4LOV
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Re: The Challenge

2001-12-08 Thread Paul Stenquist

I met the Epson rep today at Comp USA. He would be glad to provide some of their
display prints they use to promote the 1280 and the 2000, but I don't think that's
what we set out to do. I thought this was all about what PDML members were able to
accomplish in the digital darkroom. If not, it should have been called the Printer
Manufacturer Challenge, not the PDML Challenge.
Paul

Mike Johnston wrote:

 Tom R. wrote:

  I have received prints from a couple of list members that were not their
  pictures. They in my opinion were about what you would get if you pressed the
  button on that printer down at the computer store. Really nice, but could you
  or I get that, not having a $100/hr PhotoShop expert to tweak our scans for
  us?

 Wait a minute, now, the original challenge had nothing to do with what WE as
 PDMLers could do in digital, it had to do with how good digital prints can
 look--and whether or not they could be called photo quality. It was never
 specified that it had to be a picture shot with our own equipment or even
 printer on our own printers.

 Or am I wrong about this? That's what I remember.

 I sent prints made with the Pentax Optio 330 in order to be On Topic on
 the list, and the Canon EOS D30 in order to show what a good digital SLR can
 do. The Optio print came from Pentax Japan's web site and the Canon print
 from an original picture posted at dpreview. I don't mind not being eligible
 for prizes, but fair's fair--the prints are digital prints through and
 through and fairly show what digital prints can look like.

 If you're considering traditional photographic print quality, you wouldn't
 fault me for using a good lens or a good film, would you? Or for picking a
 shot that looked good? C'mon now.

 --Mike
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Re: SE-20 focusing screen

2001-12-08 Thread Alan Chan

Yes.

regards,
Alan Chan

The SE-20 is described as a matte screen with a center circle. Is the
region inside the circle also matte?


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Tempted by the dark side--help!

2001-12-08 Thread Juan J. Buhler

This afternoon, of all places, I went to the San Jose flea market, a nice
place to shoot people in my area.

Some people were selling cameras. I saw two dusty ME and ME-Super, a $50
nicely brassed black Spotmatic, and a Nikon FG-20. I picked up the Nikon, and
kind of liked the compact size and the big viewfinder. The big rewind lever
is also very nice.

Now I'm tempted to pick a Nikon FG or FG-20 with a 50mm lens to see how it
feels.

Please, someone say something bad about these cameras so I can keep spending
my money on Pentaxes!

j


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Re: Tempted by the dark side--help!

2001-12-08 Thread Chris Brogden

On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Juan J. Buhler wrote:

 Now I'm tempted to pick a Nikon FG or FG-20 with a 50mm lens to see
 how it feels.
 
 Please, someone say something bad about these cameras so I can keep
 spending my money on Pentaxes!

Tempted towards the Dark Side by an FG and FG-20???  Say it ain't so!  :)  
The cure?  Pick up a Program Plus or Super Program... at least those have
a PC socket.

:)
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RE: Implications for optics WAS: New Pentax digital SLR

2001-12-08 Thread Mark Cassino

I totally agree that the enhance D.O.F. of small format digitals is a boon 
in macro photography.  It opens up whole new creative possibilities.  But, 
for every door that opens another closes - the ability to employ a narrow 
DOF in portraits, for instance, is not present.  I've tried creating Bokeh 
in photoshop, but I could never get one that looked realistic.  Possibly my 
limited PS skills, though.

One problem with small format digitals and macros, though, is that it is 
very hard to get higher magnification macros.  I use a digital with an 8 - 
24mm zoom.  Close up lenses designed for 35mm don't work, nor does reverse 
mounting a lens on the camera, for the simple reason that the focal length 
of the digital is so small.  And if you could put the lens on enough 
extension for more magnification (impossible with a built in zoom, but for 
the sake of discussion...) the working distance of a lens with such small 
focal length would be nil.

The DOF is a big boon in shots that are the equivalent of shots up to 1:1 
in 35mm format, but so far I haven't been able to figure out how to go higher.

- MCC

At 05:51 PM 12/8/01 +0100, you wrote:
I see some more opportunities for small CCD cameras. What about the (much)
larger D.O.F.? I did not see much discussion about this point. For some time
I thought that the larger D.O.F of smaller CCD size was a disadvantage for
digital photography, but I'm changing my mind for a new way of working: take
the picture with everything as sharp as possible and add the creative
unsharpnes (including bokey) in photoshop!
For macro photography, the increase of DOF is realy very welcom!
Another advantage for the optics of small size CCD is that the difficult
compromise between all optical aspects can be broken. That would lead to
better and/or cheaper lenses. For instance allow more geometric distosion in
favour of better sharpness and/or coma. The geometric distorsion could be
corrected digitally. This digital correction could be a one time calibration
by showing a square to the camera and telling the camera that that is a
square. Of course at different zoom positions. Is this crazy? Or just
future?;-)
Jos
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Re: Sigma 400/5.6 APO Macro

2001-12-08 Thread Mark Cassino

I had one for a short while, traded it for a Tokina ATX 400 5.6.  The Sigma 
was a fine lens and was quite sharp even wide open.  I was lured by the 
small size of the Tokina, but the Sigma is sharper wide open and focuses 
closer.  Build quality seemed fine to me, and it had some nice features 
like a focusing limiter switch and AF/MF clutch.  It's also gotten pretty 
good reviews.  The only drawback is the size, but it's not outlandish for a 
400mm.

- MCC

At 03:18 PM 12/8/01 -0500, you wrote:
Howdy, folks,

Does anyone out there have any experience with the Sigma 400mm f/5.6
APO Macro lens for Pentax AF?  It goes for about US$ 550 on closeout
special at Adorama.  Goes to 1:3 macro with internal focusing and takes
a 77mm filter.  It's a whopping 1.5 kg!

TTYL, DougF
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