Re: The Unofficial Perl Win32 Users Flameware/Mega-Thread FAQ
You will recall the current mega-thread started not with a question but a mention of it in jest. I hesitate to say it for obvious reason but since everyone knows what it means, that may not matter. We may all be doomed to lifetime filled with hundreds of emails about it. With that in mind, What Are You Trying To Do??? Besides installing a module can be quite difficult. I still have two copies of Win32::API installed, in different directories, and can't decide which one to delete -- if either. And, I read -- a lot -- and still have stupid questions. Don't use my stupidity to accuse me of not reading. Now, do you see what you've done, or shall I go on, and on and on and on and on... :) Please help, I've fallen and my ** (it) can't, or won't help me get up. What do I do? We're definitely in for it now. Whip out the spam filters and prepare to weather the storm. ms At 06:10 AM 9/23/03, you wrote: It's that time of year again: please allow me to present the *Unofficial* Flameware/Mega-Thread FAQ, posting II: Feel like a bit of a tussle? Feel like avoiding one? Here's a handy cut-out-and-keep list of favourite fighting-talk subjects for this list: * HTML e-mail and your right to choose. * What editor should I use for Perl? * How do I install a module? * Can you do my homework for me? * Can you do my day job for me? * How do I program Perl without reading anything at all? * Perl is , isn't it? * Why Java is better than Perl. * Microsoft married ActiveState: what about the children? * Off-topic conversations: your right to delete mails. * Spam and mail headers * Please will you unsubscribe me? * Testing. More to come, friends. Lee --- Obligatory perl schmutter .sig: perl -e print chr(rand.5?92:47) while 1 Miert fizetsz az internetert? Korlatlan, ingyenes internet hozzaferes a FreeStarttol. Probald ki most! http://www.freestart.hu ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
RE: The Unofficial Perl Win32 Users Flameware/Mega-Thread FAQ
Michael D. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will recall the current mega-thread started not with a question but a mention of it in jest. I hesitate to say it for obvious reason but since everyone knows what it means, that may not matter. We may all be doomed to lifetime filled with hundreds of emails about it. The correct answer for it is, of course, VIM. :-) We are no longer the Knights-Who-Say-Ni! -- Mike Arms ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Re: The Unofficial Perl Win32 Users Flameware/Mega-Thread FAQ
Michael D. Smith graced perl with these words of wisdom: We're definitely in for it now. Whip out the spam filters and prepare to weather the storm. Oh, I've already got my spam-filter in action for that [EMAIL PROTECTED] Swen worm. :-) See as well my post from the 18th titled Regex humor. -- Ted Schuerzinger Homer Simpson: I'm sorry Marge, but sometimes I think we're the worst family in town. Marge: Maybe we should move to a larger community. http://www.snpp.com/episodes/7G04.html ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
FAQ
Why don't we make a FAQ Auto-responder?
It could scan subjects and first ten lines for
a FAQ, and if it finds one, send the FAQ answer.
So it wouldn't cope with the silliest questions,
but should get most
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RE: FAQ
Why don't we make a FAQ Auto-responder? It could scan subjects and first ten lines for a FAQ, and if it finds one, send the FAQ answer. So it wouldn't cope with the silliest questions, but should get most Actually its better to include the urls to the archive and the faq in the email footer. This is especially useful on mailing lists like this. Also I can reccomend a well trained infobot on irc - the perl mongers have several very well informed infobots that do things like whois and weather lookups as well as factoids on all thing perl related (monty python, buffy the vampire slayer, photos of drunken perl mongers and camels) regards, A. -- Aaron J Trevena, BSc (Hons) www.head2head.co.uk Internet Application Developer Perl, UNIX, IIS/ASP ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
RE: FAQ
At 15:23 22/05/2002, Aaron Trevena wrote:
Why don't we make a FAQ Auto-responder?
It could scan subjects and first ten lines for
a FAQ, and if it finds one, send the FAQ answer.
So it wouldn't cope with the silliest questions,
but should get most
Actually its better to include the urls to the archive and the faq in the
email footer.
That's a very bold statement - can you support it?
This is especially useful on mailing lists like this.
Also I can reccomend a well trained infobot on irc - the perl mongers have
several very well informed infobots that do things like whois and weather
lookups as well as factoids on all thing perl related (monty python, buffy
the vampire slayer, photos of drunken perl mongers and camels)
I yet to remain convinced of the relevance of childrens' TV to perl...
Lee Goddard
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RE: FAQ
At 15:23 22/05/2002, Aaron Trevena wrote: Why don't we make a FAQ Auto-responder? It could scan subjects and first ten lines for a FAQ, and if it finds one, send the FAQ answer. So it wouldn't cope with the silliest questions, but should get most Actually its better to include the urls to the archive and the faq in the email footer. That's a very bold statement - can you support it? Yup - a decent faq and a reminder work rather well for most FAQ's assuming the users read some emails before posting and didn't subscribe just to ask a question. An auto-responder would be unpopular and put new users off, as well as being a pain to maintain. Of all the lists I have subscribed to none use an auto-responder, usenet has managed without an autoresponder too. FAQs and newbies are a social rather than technical issue and need to be addressed as such. Having said that you could use an infobot hooked up to email to auto-respond with helpful hints to the user, then post the mail to the list with the auto-response appended on the end to show what the auto-responder said. Just blocking FAQs won't help - politely pointing out that FAQs are answered in the docs and FAQ works better than flames or blocking users. I yet to remain convinced of the relevance of childrens' TV to perl... Many FAQs asked on here could be answered sharpish by Dipsy or Purl on #london.pm and #perl respectively A. -- Aaron J Trevena, BSc (Hons) www.head2head.co.uk Internet Application Developer Perl, UNIX, IIS/ASP ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
RE: FAQ
At 17:00 22/05/2002, Aaron Trevena wrote:
Actually its better to include the urls to the archive and the faq in the
email footer.
That's a very bold statement - can you support it?
Yup - a decent faq and a reminder work rather well for most FAQ's assuming
the users read some emails before posting and didn't subscribe just to ask a
question.
Ah, the flaw in your argument! You're quite new here aren't you...?!
An auto-responder would be unpopular and put new users off, as
well as being a pain to maintain.
I disagree with all but the last. If it posts to the e-mail address of
the one who posted, who would it be unpopular with? If the message
to the poster said something along the lines of This may answer...
if not your message may be answered by another subscriber...
Why would it be unpopular?
Of all the lists I have subscribed to none
use an auto-responder, usenet has managed without an autoresponder too. FAQs
and newbies are a social rather than technical issue and need to be
addressed as such.
For a start, I'm not talking about newbies, I'm talking about people who
don't read FAQs - but above you assume that people don't post before
reading FAQs, so we're on a different line here.
As for no-one has a wheel in my village, they must be useless... you
can see my point already I trust.
Having said that you could use an infobot hooked up to email to auto-respond
with helpful hints to the user, then post the mail to the list with the
auto-response appended on the end to show what the auto-responder said.
That is pretty much my point.
Just blocking FAQs won't help -
Who said blocking?
politely pointing out that FAQs are answered
in the docs and FAQ
I do it all the time, my friend.
works better than flames or blocking users.
I've never seen a flame war here in five years.
I yet to remain convinced of the relevance of childrens' TV to perl...
Many FAQs asked on here could be answered sharpish by Dipsy or Purl on
#london.pm and #perl respectively
I take your word for it. But I yet to be convinced of the relevance of
childrens' TV to Perl, though.
Lee
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RE: FAQ
Also I can reccomend a well trained infobot on irc - the perl mongers have several very well informed infobots that do things like whois and weather lookups as well as factoids on all thing perl related (monty python, buffy the vampire slayer, photos of drunken perl mongers and camels) I yet to remain convinced of the relevance of childrens' TV to perl... Hmmm. Seems Monty Python would be more relevant to Python than to Perl... ;-) But even then only historically so. I share Lee's inability to understand how Buffy the Vampire Slayer has even the slightest thing to do with Perl. I don't use IRC, by the way. Too much noise, not enough signal. jpt ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
RE: FAQ
Tillman, James wrote: ;-) But even then only historically so. I share Lee's inability to understand how Buffy the Vampire Slayer has even the slightest thing to do with Perl. Please consult with the london.pm PerlMongers group. Or better yet, with sunnydale.pm. ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Re: FAQ
Yup - a decent faq and a reminder work rather well for most FAQ's assuming the users read some emails before posting and didn't subscribe just to ask a question. An auto-responder would be unpopular and put new users off, as I don't think there is a need for Yet-Another-FAQ. I think people need to put a little bit of effort into looking for answers to their questions before posting. My favorite is when people ( who presumedly haven't been using Perl for more than a few weeks ) declare they might have found a bug in some common function that people have been using since 1987(so says -v). I am referring to the popular $mon from localtime is off by one month, is this a bug in Perl?. I think if people would: read a few chapters in any Perl book search perldoc -f search perldoc -q search CPAN search google search list archives instead of doing nothing not only will the need for a FAQ might be diminished, but people might find answers quicker. For example if I wanted to do something with dates, a good place to look might be to look on CPAN in the Date:: catagory. Most answers to questions can found by appending the world 'perl' to the subject line and searching that string on Google. ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
RE: FAQ
I have to say, that I like the idea of an auto-responder for the following reasons. 1) People will always post a question to the list with out researching. 2) There is nothing anybody can do about #1. 3) A FAQ with every answer in the world does no good if people do not check it before posting. ( 4) Replying to a post to check the FAQ or RTFM, still takes time, and bandwidth, and sometimes creates threads that take more time and bandwidth then just answering the question could have done. 5) An auto-responder could post the reply as well as send the poster an email, or at least notes the post some way so others will not waist their time responding. Just my .02 John -Original Message- From: Ron Grabowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:18 PM To: ActiveState's Perl Win32 Users list Subject: Re: FAQ Yup - a decent faq and a reminder work rather well for most FAQ's assuming the users read some emails before posting and didn't subscribe just to ask a question. An auto-responder would be unpopular and put new users off, as I don't think there is a need for Yet-Another-FAQ. I think people need to put a little bit of effort into looking for answers to their questions before posting. My favorite is when people ( who presumedly haven't been using Perl for more than a few weeks ) declare they might have found a bug in some common function that people have been using since 1987(so says -v). I am referring to the popular $mon from localtime is off by one month, is this a bug in Perl?. I think if people would: read a few chapters in any Perl book search perldoc -f search perldoc -q search CPAN search google search list archives instead of doing nothing not only will the need for a FAQ might be diminished, but people might find answers quicker. For example if I wanted to do something with dates, a good place to look might be to look on CPAN in the Date:: catagory. Most answers to questions can found by appending the world 'perl' to the subject line and searching that string on Google. ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
Re: FAQ
Herbold, John W. wrote: I have to say, that I like the idea of an auto-responder for the following reasons. 5) An auto-responder could post the reply as well as send the poster an email, or at least notes the post some way so others will not waist their time responding. Except that people will respond, anyway, sometimes 24-48 hours after the fact, because they haven't read the FAO-server's reply. It happens here, with our manual FAQ-servers. Not to criticize the FAQ-answerers unduly, but IMHO it won't cut down on the traffic noticeably, and it may paradoxically encourage FAQs from new list members who see that their every question is answered immediately (especially if an email is sent off to the FAQer in addition to the one sent to the list). Cameron -- Cameron Dorey Associate Professor of Chemistry University of Central Arkansas Phone: 501-450-5938 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/mysubs
RE: FAQ
Title: RE: FAQ HEY! In my own defense: -- I only did that once -- I was referring to Time::Local (not localtime :) -- I am a bonehead -- it really is counter-intuitive to have the month 0-based and the day and year 1-based. Especially since the months are commonly referred to by their 1-based position within the year. But I digress... newbies don't always know *where* to look even when you tell them. I don't think there is a need for Yet-Another-FAQ. I think people need to put a little bit of effort into looking for answers to their questions before posting. My favorite is when people ( who presumedly haven't been using Perl for more than a few weeks ) declare they might have found a bug in some common function that people have been using since 1987(so says -v). I am referring to the popular $mon from localtime is off by one month, is this a bug in Perl?. I think if people would:
Re: Where's the faq ?
"$Bill Luebkert" wrote: Rodeo Red wrote: Yes I have looked through that and it seems to completely skip over setting up the files for a simple form that uses a perl script. I have looked at numerous books and they tell you how to do perl once it is set up- but theres very little on how it is supposed to be set up on my computer. Try a CGI site or book. I'm sorry perhaps I'm not being very clear. Thank you for your patience as I try to get a clue. I have looked at many books and all the links I can find but I don't see what I'm looking for. I can use the perl installed on my website but thats not what I'm asking about. I have a perl installed on my computer. I can invoke the perl interprter on my computer using the example in the eg directory through the command line, but I don't know how to get a form on a web page on my computer to access the perl interpreter on my computer. "Paul Popour" [EMAIL PROTECTED] suggested two web pages, but all the examples I see on those pages use #!/usr/local/bin/perl which is for accessing perl on a web server, which is not what I'm trying to do. In my admittedly newbie opinion, along with the installation, there should be a simple example of a web page which uses the perl interpreter installed on my computer. Why didn't active state include any such example ? How do I set up such an example ? Where is there a book or a web page which talks about this specific thing I'm trying to do ? The reason I need it is so I can see the proper directory and file structure to set up a script correctly. ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/listinfo/perl-win32-users
Re: Where's the faq ?
Rodeo Red wrote: I'm trying to read the Active state FAQ file:///C%7C/Perl/html/index.html says Contents of this FAQ ActivePerl-faq: Overview of the ActivePerl FAQ (this document) ActivePerl-faq2: Perl Package Manager (PPM) So where is the ActivePerl FAQ ? The first part is an intro and the second is about the Perl Package Manager (PPM), which seems to imply that the FAQ is something else. .../perl/html/index.html or look in pods .../perl/lib/pod (you'll need to convert .../perl/bin/pod2... ) -- ,-/- __ _ _ $Bill Luebkert ICQ=14439852 (_/ / )// // DBE Collectibles http://www.todbe.com/ / ) /-- o // // Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dbecoll.webjump.com/ -/-' /___/__/_/_http://www.freeyellow.com/members/dbecoll/ ___ Perl-Win32-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://listserv.ActiveState.com/mailman/listinfo/perl-win32-users
Re: Where's the faq ?
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