Need Win32 Tinder suggestions
I'm about done setting up the TPF Win32 tinderbox machine. It's a WinXP Pro gadget with Visual Studio .NET. I'm going to install cygwin as well. I'll be setting up tinderboxes for it but, honestly, I don't do windows programming, so I'm not particularly sure what'd be useful. I'm going to try and get JIT and non-JIT tinders for both vanilla VS and cygwin builds, but I'd be more than happy if someone with some actual windows experience would throw in some suggestions on what and how to set things up for the maximum utility. Dan
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Based on current customers I would guess the following in priority: VC/C++ (latest non-.NET version, most people I know are still building their stuff with Pre-.NET versions) Visual Studio .NET Cygwin Borland C++ Builder I love Borland but I have to put it last because I think the 1st 3 covers more installed base. Just my opinions. Hey where is my free P6E copy? :P I'm plugging the book here at IBM, although I never saw my name mentioned, particularly in the IMCC chapter. :) I'm doing a Lunch-N-Learn soon and will use the book. Later, -Melvin Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/2003 02:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Need Win32 Tinder suggestions I'm about done setting up the TPF Win32 tinderbox machine. It's a WinXP Pro gadget with Visual Studio .NET. I'm going to install cygwin as well. I'll be setting up tinderboxes for it but, honestly, I don't do windows programming, so I'm not particularly sure what'd be useful. I'm going to try and get JIT and non-JIT tinders for both vanilla VS and cygwin builds, but I'd be more than happy if someone with some actual windows experience would throw in some suggestions on what and how to set things up for the maximum utility. Dan
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Melvin Smith wrote: Based on current customers I would guess the following in priority: VC/C++ (latest non-.NET version, most people I know are still building their stuff with Pre-.NET versions) Visual Studio .NET Cygwin Borland C++ Builder I don't have VC/C++ or Borland -- if someone gets me copies I'll install them and make 'em build as well. Hey where is my free P6E copy? :P D'oh! Sitting on my bureau waiting to get packaged up and mailed. You sent me your address, right? Dan
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Eep, I was too busy poking fun at Dan about the book I forgot to say: 1) I do not represent IBM nor IBM's preferences for development environment, I was just guessing. You are welcome to add IBM Visual Age stuff in there, let me know if you need a license. :) 2) The P6E book was well done, I did finally get a look at it at Barnes and Noble. Good job Dan/Leo. Cheers, -Melvin Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/2003 02:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Need Win32 Tinder suggestions I'm about done setting up the TPF Win32 tinderbox machine. It's a WinXP Pro gadget with Visual Studio .NET. I'm going to install cygwin as well. I'll be setting up tinderboxes for it but, honestly, I don't do windows programming, so I'm not particularly sure what'd be useful. I'm going to try and get JIT and non-JIT tinders for both vanilla VS and cygwin builds, but I'd be more than happy if someone with some actual windows experience would throw in some suggestions on what and how to set things up for the maximum utility. Dan
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I do have an older version of Borland that I can mail you, but I think it is at least 2 releases old As for Microsoft I can't help with a license, but I can probably get us one for IBM Visual Age. I assume you have a lot of disk space? Doesn't Borland have some sort of free download version that is non-commercial usable? I'll check. -Melvin Dan Sugalski [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/2003 03:08 PM To: Melvin Smith/ATLANTA/Contr/[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Need Win32 Tinder suggestions On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Melvin Smith wrote: Based on current customers I would guess the following in priority: VC/C++ (latest non-.NET version, most people I know are still building their stuff with Pre-.NET versions) Visual Studio .NET Cygwin Borland C++ Builder I don't have VC/C++ or Borland -- if someone gets me copies I'll install them and make 'em build as well. Hey where is my free P6E copy? :P D'oh! Sitting on my bureau waiting to get packaged up and mailed. You sent me your address, right? Dan
Re: Need Win32 Tinder suggestions
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Melvin Smith wrote: Eep, I was too busy poking fun at Dan about the book I forgot to say: 1) I do not represent IBM nor IBM's preferences for development environment, I was just guessing. You are welcome to add IBM Visual Age stuff in there, let me know if you need a license. :) And media! (Or a download location) I'd be thrilled to have it up and running. I should probably try and find a license for Intel's compiler too. (I think the 80G drive on this thing may end up being too small...) 2) The P6E book was well done, I did finally get a look at it at Barnes and Noble. Good job Dan/Leo. And it's your job, if you choose to accept it, to help make it horribly out-of-date. :) Dan
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 03:16:15PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: And it's your job, if you choose to accept it, to help make it horribly out-of-date. :) Are there going to be (booby) prizes for the people who make the most paragraphs obsolete? Is anyone counting? (Who do I score the U-turn on page 93 to?) Nicholas Clark
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Melvin Smith wrote: I do have an older version of Borland that I can mail you, but I think it is at least 2 releases old As for Microsoft I can't help with a license, but I can probably get us one for IBM Visual Age. I may be able to scare up media and license from MS for VS/C++. They're the folks that got us the VS/.NET kit. I assume you have a lot of disk space? With 80 gig I thought I did, but I'm not so sure at this point... :) Doesn't Borland have some sort of free download version that is non-commercial usable? I'll check. I honestly don't know. It's been a few years since I used Windows, and at that point it was mostly as an X client, Eudora host, DVD player, and cygwin setup. I don't know about all these fancy gooey tools everyone's using... :-P Dan
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 03:16:15PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote: And it's your job, if you choose to accept it, to help make it horribly out-of-date. :) Are there going to be (booby) prizes for the people who make the most paragraphs obsolete? Is anyone counting? Heh. We ought to do that. Winner gets a mention in the forward of the next version. Dunno if we should send on a signed copy, or a hand corrected version of the old copy. (Who do I score the U-turn on page 93 to?) Don't have it handy. Which U-turn is that? Dan
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Dan Sugalski: # (Who do I score the U-turn on page 93 to?) # # Don't have it handy. Which U-turn is that? Presumably, Coroutines can be implemented in terms of continuations if need be, but that requires using a full continuation-passing function call system, something we chose not to do. --Brent Dax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perl and Parrot hacker Yeah, and my underwear is flame-retardant--that doesn't mean I'm gonna set myself on fire to prove it.
RE: Need Win32 Tinder suggestions
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Brent Dax wrote: Dan Sugalski: # (Who do I score the U-turn on page 93 to?) # # Don't have it handy. Which U-turn is that? Presumably, Coroutines can be implemented in terms of continuations if need be, but that requires using a full continuation-passing function call system, something we chose not to do. Ah. That one's the collective fault of the denizens of the Little Languages mailing list and the MIT Lisp and/or Scheme folks. Dan
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Dan Sugalski: # Ah. That one's the collective fault of the denizens of the Little # Languages mailing list and the MIT Lisp and/or Scheme folks. Oh, and in case it wasn't abundantly clear before, I already picked up a copy--a month or so ago, while I was on vacation and needed something to read during long drives. It was good, but not long enough to last from Virginia to Philadelphia. ;^) --Brent Dax [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perl and Parrot hacker Yeah, and my underwear is flame-retardant--that doesn't mean I'm gonna set myself on fire to prove it.
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On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Brent Dax wrote: Dan Sugalski: # Ah. That one's the collective fault of the denizens of the Little # Languages mailing list and the MIT Lisp and/or Scheme folks. Oh, and in case it wasn't abundantly clear before, I already picked up a copy--a month or so ago, while I was on vacation and needed something to read during long drives. It was good, but not long enough to last from Virginia to Philadelphia. ;^) You were supposed to take the rest of the time and sketch out a grammar for perl 6 regular expressions. Did we leave that bit out of the end of the book? (Damn, one more erratta to add! :) Dan
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 12:44:05PM -0700, Brent Dax wrote: Dan Sugalski: # (Who do I score the U-turn on page 93 to?) # # Don't have it handy. Which U-turn is that? Presumably, Coroutines can be implemented in terms of continuations if need be, but that requires using a full continuation-passing function call system, something we chose not to do. That would be the one: http://www.ccl4.org/~nick/P/p6ee++.jpeg (thanks to my housemate hoggy for taking the picture) I think that a fully hand corrected first edition would make quite an interesting prize. Nicholas Clark
