Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights
It seems like the low temp on the heat guns would be as hot as the hair dryer and speed up the time however, one wouldn't want to exceed 500 to 750 at most. I didn't realize that say, 600 would melt lead. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:31 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights I have one that heats to 600 degrees... you can damage stuff with it and heating governor balls with one might cause them to melt, not to mention that lead fumes are not great for your health. That holds true for old lead paint, as well. > From: maff...@bresnan.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:51:05 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > tom: > > good point, I generally follow the same. *grin* > > Just to compare, I looked on E-bay after Steve's source got my curiosity. It > seems they heat up to 500 to 1200 degrees? > > How hot does a hair dryer get to compare. > > Your story supports my concern as I would hate to start some grease, oil, or > some other substance on fire unknowingly. > > later > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Tom Jordan > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:34 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > Bob, > Sometimes slow and deliberate is the best way. Especially when working with > valuable antiques. > > I once used a heat gun on an antique dresser handed down through my Family > that I was stripping three coats of paint off of. One of my "ancestors" > thought that it was a good idea to paint a beautiful serpentine faced > dresser made of quarter sawn oak with white paint, then yellow, then white > again. > > I thought that the heat gun would hurry the job along. I ended up burning > the oak in a few places. It took me much longer to repair the damage than > if I had just stuck with the citrus based stripper that I had been using. > > The old story of the tortoise and the hare comes to mind. :0) > Tom > > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Bob Maffit > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:51 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > Tom: > > thanks, I had heard of them however, I use a hair dryer mostly. Sometimes I > get tired of it taking so long. Always wanted to try one. > > later > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Tom Jordan > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:55 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > A heat gun can be purchased at hardware stores and is used for stripping > paint among other things. They have a higher heat output than a hair dryer > and can cause damage or start a fire if not used properly. > Tom > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Bob Maffit > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 7:39 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > Jerry: > > I use a hair dryer, what is a "heat gun"? where does one get one? > > later > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of DeeDee Blais > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:06 PM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > I like all the suggestions and would like to add how helpful a heat gun > might be. Those of you that know me, also know that I don't own a hairdryer > but I imagine it would also help. Jerry Blais > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights
I have one that heats to 600 degrees... you can damage stuff with it and heating governor balls with one might cause them to melt, not to mention that lead fumes are not great for your health. That holds true for old lead paint, as well. > From: maff...@bresnan.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:51:05 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > tom: > > good point, I generally follow the same. *grin* > > Just to compare, I looked on E-bay after Steve's source got my curiosity. It > seems they heat up to 500 to 1200 degrees? > > How hot does a hair dryer get to compare. > > Your story supports my concern as I would hate to start some grease, oil, or > some other substance on fire unknowingly. > > later > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Tom Jordan > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:34 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > Bob, > Sometimes slow and deliberate is the best way. Especially when working with > valuable antiques. > > I once used a heat gun on an antique dresser handed down through my Family > that I was stripping three coats of paint off of. One of my "ancestors" > thought that it was a good idea to paint a beautiful serpentine faced > dresser made of quarter sawn oak with white paint, then yellow, then white > again. > > I thought that the heat gun would hurry the job along. I ended up burning > the oak in a few places. It took me much longer to repair the damage than > if I had just stuck with the citrus based stripper that I had been using. > > The old story of the tortoise and the hare comes to mind. :0) > Tom > > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Bob Maffit > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:51 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > Tom: > > thanks, I had heard of them however, I use a hair dryer mostly. Sometimes I > get tired of it taking so long. Always wanted to try one. > > later > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Tom Jordan > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:55 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > A heat gun can be purchased at hardware stores and is used for stripping > paint among other things. They have a higher heat output than a hair dryer > and can cause damage or start a fire if not used properly. > Tom > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of Bob Maffit > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 7:39 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > Jerry: > > I use a hair dryer, what is a "heat gun"? where does one get one? > > later > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of DeeDee Blais > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:06 PM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > I like all the suggestions and would like to add how helpful a heat gun > might be. Those of you that know me, also know that I don't own a hairdryer > but I imagine it would also help. Jerry Blais > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights
Hello all I used conglomerations of these methods and got the screws out of the weights with no damage, and installed the new springs. I hate having to do that job with that governor collar in the way! Thanks to everyone for your suggestions, that's the great thing about this site! Everyone works together to help each other out John Robles From: Melissa Ricci To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights Hi John, Nick and I have had great success getting those stubborn screws out with this easy method. Use the correct size screwdriver which is quite small. Attach a pair of vise-grips to the screwdriver handle and use the grips to turn the screwdriver as you apply pressure. It works every time for us! The vise-grips give you just enough leverage to do the job and not strip the tiny screw. Good Luck! Melissa --- On Sat, 10/22/11, john robles wrote: From: john robles Subject: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights To: "phonolist" Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011, 1:45 PM Hello all I need to replace the governor springs on a Victor II. I have removed the weights and springs from the shaft, but the small screws that connect the weight to the springs will not budge. What do you all recommend to get them loose? They are really tight and I don't want to strip the screwheads. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights
tom: good point, I generally follow the same. *grin* Just to compare, I looked on E-bay after Steve's source got my curiosity. It seems they heat up to 500 to 1200 degrees? How hot does a hair dryer get to compare. Your story supports my concern as I would hate to start some grease, oil, or some other substance on fire unknowingly. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:34 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights Bob, Sometimes slow and deliberate is the best way. Especially when working with valuable antiques. I once used a heat gun on an antique dresser handed down through my Family that I was stripping three coats of paint off of. One of my "ancestors" thought that it was a good idea to paint a beautiful serpentine faced dresser made of quarter sawn oak with white paint, then yellow, then white again. I thought that the heat gun would hurry the job along. I ended up burning the oak in a few places. It took me much longer to repair the damage than if I had just stuck with the citrus based stripper that I had been using. The old story of the tortoise and the hare comes to mind. :0) Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:51 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights Tom: thanks, I had heard of them however, I use a hair dryer mostly. Sometimes I get tired of it taking so long. Always wanted to try one. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:55 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights A heat gun can be purchased at hardware stores and is used for stripping paint among other things. They have a higher heat output than a hair dryer and can cause damage or start a fire if not used properly. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 7:39 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights Jerry: I use a hair dryer, what is a "heat gun"? where does one get one? later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:06 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights I like all the suggestions and would like to add how helpful a heat gun might be. Those of you that know me, also know that I don't own a hairdryer but I imagine it would also help. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights
Bob, Sometimes slow and deliberate is the best way. Especially when working with valuable antiques. I once used a heat gun on an antique dresser handed down through my Family that I was stripping three coats of paint off of. One of my "ancestors" thought that it was a good idea to paint a beautiful serpentine faced dresser made of quarter sawn oak with white paint, then yellow, then white again. I thought that the heat gun would hurry the job along. I ended up burning the oak in a few places. It took me much longer to repair the damage than if I had just stuck with the citrus based stripper that I had been using. The old story of the tortoise and the hare comes to mind. :0) Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:51 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights Tom: thanks, I had heard of them however, I use a hair dryer mostly. Sometimes I get tired of it taking so long. Always wanted to try one. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:55 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights A heat gun can be purchased at hardware stores and is used for stripping paint among other things. They have a higher heat output than a hair dryer and can cause damage or start a fire if not used properly. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 7:39 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights Jerry: I use a hair dryer, what is a "heat gun"? where does one get one? later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:06 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights I like all the suggestions and would like to add how helpful a heat gun might be. Those of you that know me, also know that I don't own a hairdryer but I imagine it would also help. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights
Steve: Do you know if this is the smallest in size they make? Also, how is the quality of this product? again, thanks Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 7:29 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights Examples of heat guns, we use them at work for work with wiring. Below are Harbor Freight models. They operate like a hair dryer but are much hotter and you can control the heat by the louver on the side. http://www.harborfreight.com/1500-watt-dual-temperature-heat-gun-572-1112-96 289.html http://www.harborfreight.com/professional-heat-gun-with-digital-temperature- settings-97114.html http://www.harborfreight.com/1600-watt-heavy-duty-dual-temperature-heat-gun- 1000-1100-66098.html > From: maff...@bresnan.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:39:10 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > Jerry: > > I use a hair dryer, what is a "heat gun"? where does one get one? > > later > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of DeeDee Blais > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:06 PM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > I like all the suggestions and would like to add how helpful a heat gun > might be. Those of you that know me, also know that I don't own a hairdryer > but I imagine it would also help. Jerry Blais > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights
Tom: thanks, I had heard of them however, I use a hair dryer mostly. Sometimes I get tired of it taking so long. Always wanted to try one. later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 6:55 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights A heat gun can be purchased at hardware stores and is used for stripping paint among other things. They have a higher heat output than a hair dryer and can cause damage or start a fire if not used properly. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 7:39 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights Jerry: I use a hair dryer, what is a "heat gun"? where does one get one? later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:06 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights I like all the suggestions and would like to add how helpful a heat gun might be. Those of you that know me, also know that I don't own a hairdryer but I imagine it would also help. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights
Examples of heat guns, we use them at work for work with wiring. Below are Harbor Freight models. They operate like a hair dryer but are much hotter and you can control the heat by the louver on the side. http://www.harborfreight.com/1500-watt-dual-temperature-heat-gun-572-1112-96289.html http://www.harborfreight.com/professional-heat-gun-with-digital-temperature-settings-97114.html http://www.harborfreight.com/1600-watt-heavy-duty-dual-temperature-heat-gun-1000-1100-66098.html > From: maff...@bresnan.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:39:10 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > Jerry: > > I use a hair dryer, what is a "heat gun"? where does one get one? > > later > > Bob > > -Original Message- > From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On > Behalf Of DeeDee Blais > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:06 PM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights > > I like all the suggestions and would like to add how helpful a heat gun > might be. Those of you that know me, also know that I don't own a hairdryer > but I imagine it would also help. Jerry Blais > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights
Nick & Melissa's method works well, and as she notes correct size is important. Naturally, it also makes it easier if you anchor the adjoining part (the weight in this case) in a vise. A piece of belt leather wrapped around the anchored part helps prevent scarring. I don't generally apply heat to such small parts, but if you do, remember to heat the part with the female thread more. My penetrating oil of choice is PB Blaster. Seems to work better than Liquid Wrench or others I've tried. Andrew Baron On Oct 22, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: Hi John, Nick and I have had great success getting those stubborn screws out with this easy method. Use the correct size screwdriver which is quite small. Attach a pair of vise-grips to the screwdriver handle and use the grips to turn the screwdriver as you apply pressure. It works every time for us! The vise-grips give you just enough leverage to do the job and not strip the tiny screw. Good Luck! Melissa --- On Sat, 10/22/11, john robles wrote: From: john robles Subject: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights To: "phonolist" Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011, 1:45 PM Hello all I need to replace the governor springs on a Victor II. I have removed the weights and springs from the shaft, but the small screws that connect the weight to the springs will not budge. What do you all recommend to get them loose? They are really tight and I don't want to strip the screwheads. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights
A heat gun can be purchased at hardware stores and is used for stripping paint among other things. They have a higher heat output than a hair dryer and can cause damage or start a fire if not used properly. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bob Maffit Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 7:39 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights Jerry: I use a hair dryer, what is a "heat gun"? where does one get one? later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:06 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights I like all the suggestions and would like to add how helpful a heat gun might be. Those of you that know me, also know that I don't own a hairdryer but I imagine it would also help. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights
Jerry: I use a hair dryer, what is a "heat gun"? where does one get one? later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of DeeDee Blais Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:06 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights I like all the suggestions and would like to add how helpful a heat gun might be. Those of you that know me, also know that I don't own a hairdryer but I imagine it would also help. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights
Hi John ~ A precision-fitting hollow ground screwdriver will solve most stubborn screw problems at the outset and save burring the screw slot as well. Andrew Baron On Oct 22, 2011, at 12:44 PM, john robles wrote: Thanks Melissa and Nick! Luckily the screw head is fairly deep, not like those danged screws on the back of a Victrola no. 2 reproducer. I always manage to wreck one of the four!! John From: Melissa Ricci To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights Hi John, Nick and I have had great success getting those stubborn screws out with this easy method. Use the correct size screwdriver which is quite small. Attach a pair of vise-grips to the screwdriver handle and use the grips to turn the screwdriver as you apply pressure. It works every time for us! The vise-grips give you just enough leverage to do the job and not strip the tiny screw. Good Luck! Melissa --- On Sat, 10/22/11, john robles wrote: From: john robles Subject: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights To: "phonolist" Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011, 1:45 PM Hello all I need to replace the governor springs on a Victor II. I have removed the weights and springs from the shaft, but the small screws that connect the weight to the springs will not budge. What do you all recommend to get them loose? They are really tight and I don't want to strip the screwheads. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] With Great Success, a Kiwi bought off Graig'slist! WOW
Craigslist is similar to New Zealands version of TradeMe. A very thoughtful soul, who subscribes to this list, sent me a link to Craigslist. A Victor machine was advertised. It turned out to be somthing I was after. After a while, I was begining to wonder! Then I got a reply! Was sent loads of shots of the machine! Made several calls to the US via my "Talk n Save Card, and talked endlessly to the lady! In the meantime, many tyre kickers said "Oh Yes",Will come and have a look",. For one such guy, he was a little to late, adding that he "might", pay the price I was asking for it. CHEEKY! TO TOO LATE, I bought it, sent the money, via a wire to the Bank of America. The other proposed buyer, indeed was PD OFF!! YOU SNOOSE, YOU LOOSE! I sent a photo of myself, and collection, maybe this helped! Infact she stated" I would make a good friend" . So all is not bad. When I buy somthing I like to make contact with the seller, personallly, via the phone! Another sold me hi s familys Columbia BKT rear mount, and delivered personally to my shipper! Has the Candy Apple Red Horn. Yummy! Hi, Harvey Kavitz, I got another cabinet for my Victor 1, all the way from Spain! Coming over for Union next year. Need to know how to get there? Collectors to meet, along the way! Plus things you recommend me to see. Will be around the end of May. Just love that American Hospitality. Here is my correct email addressBy the way it just hours away for the last match of the Rugby Cup World Final Looking forward to hearing from you! :)slowp...@clear.net.nz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
Well I'm sorry, but I was wrong about the louvers. All I have is a drawer for one of these beast. No cabinet, louvers or anything else. Picked it up at an auction one time. I was thinking I had the whole top portion of the desk. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: The Farmers To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist But, just replying Yes or No does very little to get the sale going. It just would require a legitimate buyer to have to ask more questions and drags out the process. For a much better response I'd include my phone number, address, when a good time might be to pick it up, plus anything else I might want to add about the item, so then the buyer has all the info they need to determine when/if they want to actually buy it. Another point is if a seller see several responses in their inbox, they pretty much need to determine which one to respond to first in order to avoid having 2 buyers showing up at the same time. I'd respond to whoever seems most interested and might also consider who is located the closest. Someone who just wants to know if it is still available, especially within an hour of when I just listed it, won't hear from me. As I said in an earlier post, none of the 'Is it still available poeple' that I've responded to ever replied back to actually try to buy anything. So my opinion is that if someone just wants to know if it is still available and has no intention of buying it, then the availability of my item is none of their business, so I'm not going to bother just answering Yes or No. --- Greg - Original Message - From: "Rich" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > The only reply recommended/required to the question "is this item still > available?" is Yes or No. If that pomps the Nigerian scammer reply then > the delete key works well. > > One of the problems with selling just about anything is if you really > intend to sell it you will be in contact with people who you would not > ever know existed or want to associate with. > > As the general population density increases in any market area the pest > density increases proportionally. > > On 10/22/2011 08:45 AM, William Zucca wrote: >> Sure, but what's the point of engaging in discussion with a scam artist. >> Not knowing what was going on the first time this happened to me I did >> just >> that and got a lot of double-talk back from the scammer. >> >> GrnMountainMill >> >> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Rich wrote: >> >>> If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For >>> Sale >>> item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your >>> answer, and hit send. >>> >>> >>> On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: >>> You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam to get your info. From: g...@usfamily.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling > on > Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was > really > interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me > know > she > actually wants it. > > > Hi! Is this still for sale?! > Liz > > > -- Greg > > > - Original Message - > From: "Vinyl > Visions"> > To: > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > > >> I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at >> least >> describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that >> people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? >> >> From: g...@usfamily.net >>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >>> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on >>> Craigslist >>> >>> When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who >>> just >>> asks >>> if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything >>> to >>> any >>> of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING t
Re: [Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights
Could we borrow Dee Dee's? On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:05 PM, DeeDee Blais wrote: > I like all the suggestions and would like to add how helpful a heat gun > might be. Those of you that know me, also know that I don't own a hairdryer > but I imagine it would also help. Jerry Blais > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Stubborn Governor Weights
I like all the suggestions and would like to add how helpful a heat gun might be. Those of you that know me, also know that I don't own a hairdryer but I imagine it would also help. Jerry Blais ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights
Thanks Melissa and Nick! Luckily the screw head is fairly deep, not like those danged screws on the back of a Victrola no. 2 reproducer. I always manage to wreck one of the four!! John From: Melissa Ricci To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights Hi John, Nick and I have had great success getting those stubborn screws out with this easy method. Use the correct size screwdriver which is quite small. Attach a pair of vise-grips to the screwdriver handle and use the grips to turn the screwdriver as you apply pressure. It works every time for us! The vise-grips give you just enough leverage to do the job and not strip the tiny screw. Good Luck! Melissa --- On Sat, 10/22/11, john robles wrote: From: john robles Subject: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights To: "phonolist" Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011, 1:45 PM Hello all I need to replace the governor springs on a Victor II. I have removed the weights and springs from the shaft, but the small screws that connect the weight to the springs will not budge. What do you all recommend to get them loose? They are really tight and I don't want to strip the screwheads. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights
Spray them with a rust dissolver or soak the whole thing in kerosene for a few hours. Then, make sure you use the correct screwdriver... a gun screwdriver set or micro screwdriver set is best. To get some extra torque on the screw, use vise grips fastened to the screwdriver shaft using one hand, while pressing down firmly on the handle of the screwdriver with the other hand - then twist. Hope this helps. > Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 10:45:06 -0700 > From: john9...@pacbell.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights > > Hello all > I need to replace the governor springs on a Victor II. I have removed the > weights and springs from the shaft, but the small screws that connect the > weight to the springs will not budge. What do you all recommend to get them > loose? They are really tight and I don't want to strip the screwheads. > Thanks > John Robles > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights
Sometimes you can get the spring to move a bit by grasping the weight and turning the spring. This usually frees up the screw too. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:45 PM To: phonolist Subject: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights Hello all I need to replace the governor springs on a Victor II. I have removed the weights and springs from the shaft, but the small screws that connect the weight to the springs will not budge. What do you all recommend to get them loose? They are really tight and I don't want to strip the screwheads. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights
Hi John, Nick and I have had great success getting those stubborn screws out with this easy method. Use the correct size screwdriver which is quite small. Attach a pair of vise-grips to the screwdriver handle and use the grips to turn the screwdriver as you apply pressure. It works every time for us! The vise-grips give you just enough leverage to do the job and not strip the tiny screw. Good Luck! Melissa --- On Sat, 10/22/11, john robles wrote: From: john robles Subject: [Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights To: "phonolist" Date: Saturday, October 22, 2011, 1:45 PM Hello all I need to replace the governor springs on a Victor II. I have removed the weights and springs from the shaft, but the small screws that connect the weight to the springs will not budge. What do you all recommend to get them loose? They are really tight and I don't want to strip the screwheads. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
Well you can aways send them the money with a cashiers check drawn on the West Bank of the Missouri. On 10/22/2011 12:21 PM, Darrell Lehman wrote: But it's so much fun "dialoguing" with these guys. Their grammar... grammer... gramma... and syntax is so poor it's almost stand-up. Glean what you can from my experience I corresponded with a "buyer" and received a $3000 CASHIER'S CHECK via Overnight UPS for a $300 set of tools I listed on Craig's List. I was s'posed to cash, keep $500 for the tools and my trouble and wire the $2500 to the guy's "son" in a third city. I already had some red flags up high so I Googled the bank. There was a branch of that bank in that town on that street but three blocks away - strange... So I Googled the bank's phone number on the check. It was a good number and was associated with three other numbers. I called all four numbers - one was an insurance agency, one a drug store and two private residences. All had rec'd a couple calls like mine and all four blamed the phone company for publishing the wrong number for the bank. It was interesting stringing him along for 4-5 days. He finally said if I didn't send the $ immediately, call the police he would. I told him to do so and never heard from him again. I still have the check should the bank ever get an account with that number... The interesting part is I called the 1-800 for the bank and read them the account number. Before I even finished with the numbers they announced it was a bad account number. After I explained what was going on they weren't interested is seeing the check or pursuing the matter. I guess they encounter too much to get involved. If the deal is too good to be true. But personally I follow-up every contact regardless of what they write or don't write; I never send a phone number and I often ask availability - some stuff sells fast so why waste time with questions about s/n, condition, etc? = Rich wrote: There are a million solutions to that problem. I would not be using my main e-mail address fro an initial cragslist account either. On 10/22/2011 10:07 AM, Rick Mazur wrote: Remember when you receive the scammer's initial question he/she has no idea what your personal email address is unless you put your personal email address on your craigslist posting. All he or she sees is your craigslist email address designated for that item. Once you reply to the scammer he/she now has your personal email address which could now lead to other problems. -Original Message- From: Rich To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 10:43 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist The only reply recommended/required to the question "is this item still vailable?" is Yes or No. If that pomps the Nigerian scammer reply then he delete key works well. One of the problems with selling just about anything is if you really ntend to sell it you will be in contact with people who you would not ver know existed or want to associate with. As the general population density increases in any market area the pest ensity increases proportionally. On 10/22/2011 08:45 AM, William Zucca wrote: Sure, but what's the point of engaging in discussion with a scam artist. Not knowing what was going on the first time this happened to me I did just that and got a lot of double-talk back from the scammer. GrnMountainMill On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Rich wrote: If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For Sale item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your answer, and hit send. On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam to get your info. From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she actually wants it. Hi! Is this still for sale?! Liz -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions"> To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anythi
[Phono-L] Help - Stubborn governor weights
Hello all I need to replace the governor springs on a Victor II. I have removed the weights and springs from the shaft, but the small screws that connect the weight to the springs will not budge. What do you all recommend to get them loose? They are really tight and I don't want to strip the screwheads. Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
But it's so much fun "dialoguing" with these guys. Their grammar... grammer... gramma... and syntax is so poor it's almost stand-up. Glean what you can from my experience I corresponded with a "buyer" and received a $3000 CASHIER'S CHECK via Overnight UPS for a $300 set of tools I listed on Craig's List. I was s'posed to cash, keep $500 for the tools and my trouble and wire the $2500 to the guy's "son" in a third city. I already had some red flags up high so I Googled the bank. There was a branch of that bank in that town on that street but three blocks away - strange... So I Googled the bank's phone number on the check. It was a good number and was associated with three other numbers. I called all four numbers - one was an insurance agency, one a drug store and two private residences. All had rec'd a couple calls like mine and all four blamed the phone company for publishing the wrong number for the bank. It was interesting stringing him along for 4-5 days. He finally said if I didn't send the $ immediately, call the police he would. I told him to do so and never heard from him again. I still have the check should the bank ever get an account with that number... The interesting part is I called the 1-800 for the bank and read them the account number. Before I even finished with the numbers they announced it was a bad account number. After I explained what was going on they weren't interested is seeing the check or pursuing the matter. I guess they encounter too much to get involved. If the deal is too good to be true. But personally I follow-up every contact regardless of what they write or don't write; I never send a phone number and I often ask availability - some stuff sells fast so why waste time with questions about s/n, condition, etc? = Rich wrote: There are a million solutions to that problem. I would not be using my main e-mail address fro an initial cragslist account either. On 10/22/2011 10:07 AM, Rick Mazur wrote: Remember when you receive the scammer's initial question he/she has no idea what your personal email address is unless you put your personal email address on your craigslist posting. All he or she sees is your craigslist email address designated for that item. Once you reply to the scammer he/she now has your personal email address which could now lead to other problems. -Original Message- From: Rich To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 10:43 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist The only reply recommended/required to the question "is this item still vailable?" is Yes or No. If that pomps the Nigerian scammer reply then he delete key works well. One of the problems with selling just about anything is if you really ntend to sell it you will be in contact with people who you would not ver know existed or want to associate with. As the general population density increases in any market area the pest ensity increases proportionally. On 10/22/2011 08:45 AM, William Zucca wrote: Sure, but what's the point of engaging in discussion with a scam artist. Not knowing what was going on the first time this happened to me I did just that and got a lot of double-talk back from the scammer. GrnMountainMill On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Rich wrote: If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For Sale item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your answer, and hit send. On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam to get your info. From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she actually wants it. Hi! Is this still for sale?! Liz -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions"> To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to any of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING th
Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist
There are a million solutions to that problem. I would not be using my main e-mail address fro an initial cragslist account either. On 10/22/2011 10:07 AM, Rick Mazur wrote: Remember when you receive the scammer's initial question he/she has no idea what your personal email address is unless you put your personal email address on your craigslist posting. All he or she sees is your craigslist email address designated for that item. Once you reply to the scammer he/she now has your personal email address which could now lead to other problems. -Original Message- From: Rich To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 10:43 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist The only reply recommended/required to the question "is this item still vailable?" is Yes or No. If that pomps the Nigerian scammer reply then he delete key works well. One of the problems with selling just about anything is if you really ntend to sell it you will be in contact with people who you would not ver know existed or want to associate with. As the general population density increases in any market area the pest ensity increases proportionally. On 10/22/2011 08:45 AM, William Zucca wrote: Sure, but what's the point of engaging in discussion with a scam artist. Not knowing what was going on the first time this happened to me I did just that and got a lot of double-talk back from the scammer. GrnMountainMill On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Rich wrote: If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For Sale item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your answer, and hit send. On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam to get your info. From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she actually wants it. Hi! Is this still for sale?! Liz -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions"> To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to any of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that indicates they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that they are asking about. -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Hi Rick, I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I don't trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... so, not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, I'm not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that question. Just another thought for what it's worth... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonofo...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" always raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask " I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to me and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id plate?" My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt questio and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then elaborate with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point before going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm> To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists who now ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be discouraged from sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries wi
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But, just replying Yes or No does very little to get the sale going. It just would require a legitimate buyer to have to ask more questions and drags out the process. For a much better response I'd include my phone number, address, when a good time might be to pick it up, plus anything else I might want to add about the item, so then the buyer has all the info they need to determine when/if they want to actually buy it. Another point is if a seller see several responses in their inbox, they pretty much need to determine which one to respond to first in order to avoid having 2 buyers showing up at the same time. I'd respond to whoever seems most interested and might also consider who is located the closest. Someone who just wants to know if it is still available, especially within an hour of when I just listed it, won't hear from me. As I said in an earlier post, none of the 'Is it still available poeple' that I've responded to ever replied back to actually try to buy anything. So my opinion is that if someone just wants to know if it is still available and has no intention of buying it, then the availability of my item is none of their business, so I'm not going to bother just answering Yes or No. --- Greg - Original Message - From: "Rich" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist The only reply recommended/required to the question "is this item still available?" is Yes or No. If that pomps the Nigerian scammer reply then the delete key works well. One of the problems with selling just about anything is if you really intend to sell it you will be in contact with people who you would not ever know existed or want to associate with. As the general population density increases in any market area the pest density increases proportionally. On 10/22/2011 08:45 AM, William Zucca wrote: Sure, but what's the point of engaging in discussion with a scam artist. Not knowing what was going on the first time this happened to me I did just that and got a lot of double-talk back from the scammer. GrnMountainMill On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Rich wrote: If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For Sale item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your answer, and hit send. On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam to get your info. From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she actually wants it. Hi! Is this still for sale?! Liz -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions"> To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to any of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that indicates they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that they are asking about. -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Hi Rick, I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I don't trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... so, not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, I'm not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that question. Just another thought for what it's worth... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonofo...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" always raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask " I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to me and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the ite
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Remember when you receive the scammer's initial question he/she has no idea what your personal email address is unless you put your personal email address on your craigslist posting. All he or she sees is your craigslist email address designated for that item. Once you reply to the scammer he/she now has your personal email address which could now lead to other problems. -Original Message- From: Rich To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 10:43 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist The only reply recommended/required to the question "is this item still vailable?" is Yes or No. If that pomps the Nigerian scammer reply then he delete key works well. One of the problems with selling just about anything is if you really ntend to sell it you will be in contact with people who you would not ver know existed or want to associate with. As the general population density increases in any market area the pest ensity increases proportionally. On 10/22/2011 08:45 AM, William Zucca wrote: Sure, but what's the point of engaging in discussion with a scam artist. Not knowing what was going on the first time this happened to me I did just that and got a lot of double-talk back from the scammer. GrnMountainMill On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Rich wrote: > If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For Sale > item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your > answer, and hit send. > > > On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: > >> >> You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or >> email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam >> to get your info. >> >> From: g...@usfamily.net >>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >>> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >>> >>> Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on >>> Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was >>> really >>> interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know >>> she >>> actually wants it. >>> >>> >>> Hi! Is this still for sale?! >>> Liz >>> >>> >>> -- Greg >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Vinyl Visions"> >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >>> >>> >>> I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just > asks > if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to > any > of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that > indicates > they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that > they > are asking about. > > -- Greg > > > - Original Message - > From: "Vinyl Visions" >> > To: > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > > >> Hi Rick, >> I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I >> don't >> trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no >> point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... >> so, >> not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, >> I'm >> not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that >> question. Just another thought for what it's worth... >> >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >>> From: phonofo...@aol.com >>> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >>> >>> >>> When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" >>> always >>> raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would >>> ask >>> " >>> I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to >>> me >>> and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the >>> item. >>> What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id >>> plate?" >>> My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt >>> questio >>> and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then >>> elaborate >>> with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point >>> before >>> going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. >>> >>> >>>
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The only reply recommended/required to the question "is this item still available?" is Yes or No. If that pomps the Nigerian scammer reply then the delete key works well. One of the problems with selling just about anything is if you really intend to sell it you will be in contact with people who you would not ever know existed or want to associate with. As the general population density increases in any market area the pest density increases proportionally. On 10/22/2011 08:45 AM, William Zucca wrote: Sure, but what's the point of engaging in discussion with a scam artist. Not knowing what was going on the first time this happened to me I did just that and got a lot of double-talk back from the scammer. GrnMountainMill On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Rich wrote: If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For Sale item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your answer, and hit send. On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam to get your info. From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she actually wants it. Hi! Is this still for sale?! Liz -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions"> To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to any of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that indicates they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that they are asking about. -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Hi Rick, I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I don't trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... so, not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, I'm not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that question. Just another thought for what it's worth... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonofo...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" always raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask " I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to me and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id plate?" My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt questio and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then elaborate with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point before going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm> To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists who now ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be discouraged from sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will continue to ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 times as many s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. - Original Message - rom: "William Zucca" o: "Antique Phonograph List" ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time they ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, first-time raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the hell s going on with these messages. Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire about an tem and say they won't respond wit
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Sure, but what's the point of engaging in discussion with a scam artist. Not knowing what was going on the first time this happened to me I did just that and got a lot of double-talk back from the scammer. GrnMountainMill On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Rich wrote: > If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For Sale > item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your > answer, and hit send. > > > On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: > >> >> You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or >> email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam >> to get your info. >> >> From: g...@usfamily.net >>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >>> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >>> >>> Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on >>> Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was >>> really >>> interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know >>> she >>> actually wants it. >>> >>> >>> Hi! Is this still for sale?! >>> Liz >>> >>> >>> -- Greg >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Vinyl Visions"> >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >>> >>> >>> I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just > asks > if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to > any > of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that > indicates > they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that > they > are asking about. > > -- Greg > > > - Original Message - > From: "Vinyl Visions" > > > To: > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > > >> Hi Rick, >> I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I >> don't >> trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no >> point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... >> so, >> not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, >> I'm >> not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that >> question. Just another thought for what it's worth... >> >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >>> From: phonofo...@aol.com >>> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >>> >>> >>> When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" >>> always >>> raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would >>> ask >>> " >>> I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to >>> me >>> and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the >>> item. >>> What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id >>> plate?" >>> My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt >>> questio >>> and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then >>> elaborate >>> with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point >>> before >>> going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: bruce78rpm> >>> To: Antique Phonograph List >>> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >>> >>> >>> Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con >>> artists >>> who now >>> ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be >>> discouraged >>> from >>> sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will >>> continue to >>> ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 >>> times >>> as many >>> s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. >>> - Original Message - >>> rom: "William Zucca" >>> o: "Antique Phonograph List" >>> ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM >>> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >>> What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time >>> they >>> ried it with me and I
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Yes. This is what I tried to explain in my 2 emails... -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions To: phono-l Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 8:53 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist ou are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email ddress... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam to get our info. > From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she actually wants it. Hi! Is this still for sale?! Liz -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least > describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that > people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? > >> From: g...@usfamily.net >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >> >> When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just >> asks >> if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to >> any >> of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that >> indicates >> they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that >> they >> are asking about. >> >> -- Greg >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Vinyl Visions" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >> >> >> > >> > Hi Rick, >> > I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I >> > don't >> > trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no >> > point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... >> > so, >> > not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, >> > I'm >> > not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that >> > question. Just another thought for what it's worth... >> > >> >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> >> From: phonofo...@aol.com >> >> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >> >> >> >> >> >> When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" always >> >> raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask >> >> " >> >> I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to >> >> me >> >> and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. >> >> What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id >> >> plate?" >> >> My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt >> >> questio >> >> and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then >> >> elaborate >> >> with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point >> >> before >> >> going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: bruce78rpm >> >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> >> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con >> >> artists >> >> who now >> >> ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be >> >> discouraged >> >> from >> >> sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will >> >> continue to >> >> ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 >> >> times >> >> as many >> >> s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. >> >> - Original Message - >> >> rom: "William Zucca" >> >> o: "Antique Phonograph List" >> >> ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM >> >> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist >> >> What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time >> >> they >> >> ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, >> >> first-time >> >> raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the >> >> hell >> >> s going on with these messages. >> >> Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire >> >> about >> >> an >> >> tem and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone >> >> number >> >> hen inquiring about a sale. >> >> These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and
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If someone sends you an e-mail question regarding your Craigslist For Sale item you have their e-mail address already, just hit reply, type your answer, and hit send. On 10/22/2011 07:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam to get your info. From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she actually wants it. Hi! Is this still for sale?! Liz -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? From: g...@usfamily.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just asks if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to any of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that indicates they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that they are asking about. -- Greg - Original Message - From: "Vinyl Visions" To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Hi Rick, I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I don't trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... so, not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, I'm not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that question. Just another thought for what it's worth... To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: phonofo...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" always raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask " I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to me and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id plate?" My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt questio and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then elaborate with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point before going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. -Original Message- From: bruce78rpm To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con artists who now ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be discouraged from sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will continue to ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 times as many s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. - Original Message - rom: "William Zucca" o: "Antique Phonograph List" ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time they ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, first-time raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the hell s going on with these messages. Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire about an tem and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone number hen inquiring about a sale. These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make raigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. GrnMountainBill On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:43 AM, wrote: I placed a Victrola for sale on Craigslist today, and almost immediately I was contacted by two crooks/scammers. Here is one of the bizarre email I received. I am assuming that a certain % of Sellers actually fall for this lunacy, otherwise these con artists would not be trying it. Hello, I'm making an immediate purchasing on behalf of my client and you will receive check payment in excess over the item price. The check is already signed, authorized and ready to be cashed. You are receiving over payment because
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Yes, I think it is. When I first started listing stuff on craigslist, nearly every single item resulted in some sort of stupid message like that along with some really dumb ones in bad English saying something like they would be sending their representative to pick up the item and would pay with some sort of check or phooba wire thing. HA! Not likely. I have to add that on some occasions as a buyer, I have offered to pay using Paypal (if seller has an account) when I couldn't get to the sales location right away. That has happened successfully more than once. GrnMountainBill On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: > > You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or > email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam > to get your info. > > > From: g...@usfamily.net > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > > > Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on > > Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was > really > > interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know > she > > actually wants it. > > > > > > Hi! Is this still for sale?! > > Liz > > > > > > -- Greg > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Vinyl Visions" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > > > > > > > > > I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least > > > describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that > > > people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? > > > > > >> From: g...@usfamily.net > > >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > >> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > >> > > >> When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just > > >> asks > > >> if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to > > >> any > > >> of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that > > >> indicates > > >> they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that > > >> they > > >> are asking about. > > >> > > >> -- Greg > > >> > > >> > > >> - Original Message - > > >> From: "Vinyl Visions" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > Hi Rick, > > >> > I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I > > >> > don't > > >> > trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely > no > > >> > point asking other questions about the item if it is not > available... > > >> > so, > > >> > not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling > something, > > >> > I'm > > >> > not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that > > >> > question. Just another thought for what it's worth... > > >> > > > >> >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > >> >> From: phonofo...@aol.com > > >> >> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on > Craigslist > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" > always > > >> >> raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would > ask > > >> >> " > > >> >> I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice > to > > >> >> me > > >> >> and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the > item. > > >> >> What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id > > >> >> plate?" > > >> >> My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt > > >> >> questio > > >> >> and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then > > >> >> elaborate > > >> >> with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point > > >> >> before > > >> >> going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> -Original Message- > > >> >> From: bruce78rpm > > >> >> To: Antique Phonograph List > > >> >> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on > Craigslist > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con > > >> >> artists > > >> >> who now > > >> >> ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be > > >> >> discouraged > > >> >> from > > >> >> sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will > > >> >> continue to > > >> >> ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 > > >> >> times > > >> >> as many > > >> >> s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this > nonsense. > > >> >> - Original Message - > > >> >> rom: "William Zucca" > > >>
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You are right, anyone with an interest would include a phone number or email address... this is weird. It sounds like some type of "phishing" scam to get your info. > From: g...@usfamily.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:44:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > Yes. Here's the complete message I received for something I'm selling on > Craigslist right now: I won't bother responding to it. If 'Liz' was really > interested she'd include her phone # or say a little more to let me know she > actually wants it. > > > Hi! Is this still for sale?! > Liz > > > -- Greg > > > - Original Message - > From: "Vinyl Visions" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > > > > > > I should clarify: when I ask if the item is still available, I at least > > describe the item that I am inquiring about. Are you guys saying that > > people just send out random "inquiries" for no reason? > > > >> From: g...@usfamily.net > >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > >> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:51:46 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > >> > >> When selling on Craigslist, I never bother replying to anyone who just > >> asks > >> if it is still available. I used to do that and never sold anything to > >> any > >> of those people anyway. They need to also include SOMETHING that > >> indicates > >> they actually read my for sale posting and know what the item is that > >> they > >> are asking about. > >> > >> -- Greg > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Vinyl Visions" > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 1:57 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Hi Rick, > >> > I always ask the question: "Is the item still available?" - first. I > >> > don't > >> > trust the sellers any more than the buyers and there is absolutely no > >> > point asking other questions about the item if it is not available... > >> > so, > >> > not all short questions are from scammers. If I was selling something, > >> > I'm > >> > not sure that I would necessarily trust someone who didn't ask that > >> > question. Just another thought for what it's worth... > >> > > >> >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > >> >> From: phonofo...@aol.com > >> >> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:54:14 -0400 > >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> When the question is short like "Is the item still available?" always > >> >> raised a red flag with me from the beginning. Most inquirers would ask > >> >> " > >> >> I see the vicotrola ad on craigslist. The victrola looks very nice to > >> >> me > >> >> and I am very intereted, but I have a couple questions about the item. > >> >> What alpha character after the serial numbbers appear on the id > >> >> plate?" > >> >> My point is the sincere inquirer would not provide a sort abrupt > >> >> questio > >> >> and he or she will use terms foundin your description and then > >> >> elaborate > >> >> with their questions. Conartists want to be brief and to the point > >> >> before > >> >> going off an scamming others. Just my thougts. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -Original Message- > >> >> From: bruce78rpm > >> >> To: Antique Phonograph List > >> >> Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 11:46 am > >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Yes, I can imagine that given the multitude of scammers and con > >> >> artists > >> >> who now > >> >> ppear to taking over Craigslist, more and more people will be > >> >> discouraged > >> >> from > >> >> sing it, and the degree of distrust of anyone making inquiries will > >> >> continue to > >> >> ise and rise. Is there a solution ? probably not. There are a 100 > >> >> times > >> >> as many > >> >> s them, as there are those to track them down and stop this nonsense. > >> >> - Original Message - > >> >> rom: "William Zucca" > >> >> o: "Antique Phonograph List" > >> >> ent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 10:50:23 AM > >> >> ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Fraud Artists and Crooks descend on Craigslist > >> >> What a load of crap. I hate those guys. I was confused the first time > >> >> they > >> >> ried it with me and I only wonder how many less sophisticated, > >> >> first-time > >> >> raigslist sellers give up after not being able to figure out what the > >> >> hell > >> >> s going on with these messages. > >> >> Some sellers ask for a phone number from anyone writing to inquire > >> >> about > >> >> an > >> >> tem and say they won't respond without one. I always give my phone > >> >> number > >> >> hen inquiring about a sale. > >> >> These idiots make it harder to buy and sell on craigslist and make > >> >> raigslist users mistrust everyone else who uses it. Damn them. > >> >> GrnMountai
