Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
Squirt a bit of penetrating oil (PB blaster comes to mind) on that center shaft. Tomorrow, have one of you lift up on the turntable while another hits the center shaft with a mallet. The turntable should pop off. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Ricci Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:40 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? Hi Harvey, Thanks for your insight! Nick is trying to get the turntable off as we speak to check for those extra holes. It is rusted on tight and it has been a long day today so we may wait til the weekend to actually get it off. He says he can see under the turntable and that there do not appear to be any extra holes just the three screws holding the motor on. Thanks again, Melissa From: harvey kravitz To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? >From what I can see the parts are from a later Victor III. The cabinet looks old and original, but not to a Victor III. Did you take off the turn table to see if there were multiple holes in the motor board? If so, that would mean a swapped motor. If not, the cabinet can be new old stock that was modified by the original owner, a dealer, or a handyman. If there are no extra holes in the cabinet, I would strip and refinish it. It would be a very unique machine. Harvey Kravitz From: Melissa Ricci To: Phono-l ; "phonol...@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? Hello Everyone, Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It also came with a nice original wood horn. The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late style Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. Strange. The wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back bracket looks to be correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone made up of Victor III parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a different machine? I was unable to find any cabinets with the kind of moldings this one has. Here are a few links to pictures we just took. Any ideas are greatly appreciated! http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.j pg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.j pg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.j pg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.j pg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.j pg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.j pg.html Thanks, Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Records
I didn't take pictures of all the records because there are so many. There are 40 Berliners total but three have damage. We also have 6 Zonophone, 5 Victor, 4 Improved and 1 victor with the nipper label. All of the records are 7 inches. So actually it is 56 total records. Thanks, Melissa From: Vinyl Visions To: "phono-l@oldcrank.org" Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Records Melissa,Only 9714 came up for me... how many actual Berliner records did you get? > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:51:21 -0700 > From: riccib...@yahoo.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner Records > > Hello Again, > > Nick and I also won 54 early 7 inch Berliner, Victor, Zonophone, and Improved > etched records at the auction. We know that some of these can be valuable and > know a little about them but would love an expert opinion on the collection. > Most of the records are Berliner Gramophone records with the etched titles. > About half of them are signed by the artist who sang the song or conducted > the band. There are some really nice titles like "Yankee Doodle" and "Blue > Bells of Scotland." We also have several etched Zonophone records, about 10 > "Improved" records a few Victor without the dog and one Victor with the dog. > Here are a few pics. We are interested in anything you can tell us. > > Thanks again! > Melissa > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09714.jpg.html > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09713.jpg.html > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09712.jpg.html > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09711.jpg.html > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09710.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09709.jpg.html > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09708.jpg.html > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Looking for Cut Cornered Decca Storage Album
Hello Phello Phono Pholk, I'm on the hunt for a rare Decca 78 storage album that is actually part of a Decca portable phonograph (perhaps I should say "gramophone" as this is a UK machine though it was bought in Virginia). These albums, like those made for the Columbia UK portables, were designed to store under the upper lids of their gramophones (see the attached photo of a Columbia Viva-tonal 202). The albums had their spines at the "bottom" of the book (rather than on the left) and had their top corners cut not to save on expense - but to allow fingers plenty of access to insert and pull the albums out from storage. They had a very interesting accordion-like design that reduced stress on the sleeves at the spine, allowing you to flip pages with less chance of snapping your shellac. (Save that for your Chiropractor.) Over the years many were separated from their machines, especially as these albums continued to find use in the electric age vs the rest of the machine.. That said, these are rare, so in addition to my investigations overseas, I thought I'd ask if anyone here might have a suggestion on where to find one in this country it at all? I suspect record buyers might come upon these more than machine buyers, but that's just a theory. If you happen to have one housing a stack of shellac or know someone who might have one, kindly drop me a line. Best to all, Arvin in MA -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: columbia_album_correct.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 68916 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20130829/9c71ed5b/attachment.jpg> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
Once you manage to get it off, you should wire brush the spindle and polish it if you have the equipment. The turntable hole can be cleaned with sandpaper rolled around a dowel, pencil, bolt or any long round object that will fit in there - a drill bit with sandpaper wrapped around it works too. As for the cabinet, it does look old, but the columns are not Victor type. So, depending on how much you paid for this, it might turn out well. > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 16:56:36 -0700 > From: riccib...@yahoo.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? > > > > Hi Andrew, > Thank you for the advice! We have been in this position before with a Victor > II turntable that was just terrible to remove! What a chore! We managed to > get it off with our hands and the hammer trick but we felt the liquide wrench > did very little to help even after soaking overnight twice. I am excited to > try the product you suggest so maybe this time will be better. Thanks so much! > Melissa > > > -- > On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:13 PM EDT Andrew Baron wrote: > > >Regarding the turntable liberation, I've found that the product PB Blaster > >works much more effectively than Liquid Wrench or WD40. Any will stain the > >felt but might be cleaned with a solvent afterward. > > > >A soak over night can work wonders, and then the turntable should be > >leveraged upward by placing the fingers of each hand under the rim at 9 and > >3 o'clock and exerting upward force. Based on the rust I see in the photos, > >this still might need more help, so WHILE exerting a firm and steady upward > >force with both hands (good thing there's two of you), give the top of the > >spindle a sharp tap with a hammer. It may take a few tries, but be sure > >that the penetrating oil has had a chance to do its job, and it's best to > >use a hard plastic mallet to avoid deforming the spindle top, or taking > >other precautions. > > > >Wedges can also be used in lieu of fingers, if applied simultaneously and > >exactly opposite each other -- beware that you can bend the spindle if > >you're not careful, even if using only your hands. > > > >Good luck. > > > >Andrew Baron > >Santa Fe > > > >On Aug 29, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: > > > >> Hi Harvey, > >> > >> Thanks for your insight! Nick is trying to get the turntable off as we > >> speak to check for those extra holes. It is rusted on tight and it has > >> been a long day today so we may wait til the weekend to actually get it > >> off. He says he can see under the turntable and that there do not appear > >> to be any extra holes just the three screws holding the motor on. > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> Melissa > >> > >> > >> > >> From: harvey kravitz > >> To: Antique Phonograph List > >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:12 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? > >> > >> > >> From what I can see the parts are from a later Victor III. The cabinet > >> looks old and original, but not to a Victor III. Did you take off the turn > >> table to see if there were multiple holes in the motor board? If so, that > >> would mean a swapped motor. If not, the cabinet can be new old stock that > >> was modified by the original owner, a dealer, or a handyman. If there are > >> no extra holes in the cabinet, I would strip and refinish it. It would be > >> a very unique machine. > >> Harvey Kravitz > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Melissa Ricci > >> To: Phono-l ; "phonol...@yahoogroups.com" > >> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:34 PM > >> Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? > >> > >> > >> Hello Everyone, > >> > >> Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk > >> auction. Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and > >> out! The double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable > >> and the upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID > >> plate (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor > >> III. It also came with a nice original wood horn. > >> > >> The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design > >> before. After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in > >> two cabinet types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We > >> own a late style Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the > >> same. Strange. The wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the > >> back bracket looks to be correct. So we need to find out, is this a > >> Frankenphone made up of Victor III parts with a handmade cabinet or a > >> cabinet from a different machine? I was unable to find any cabinets with > >> the kind of moldings this one has. Here are a few links to pictures we > >> just took. > >> > >> Any ideas a
Re: [Phono-L] Berliner Records
Melissa,Only 9714 came up for me... how many actual Berliner records did you get? > Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:51:21 -0700 > From: riccib...@yahoo.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Phono-L] Berliner Records > > Hello Again, > > Nick and I also won 54 early 7 inch Berliner, Victor, Zonophone, and Improved > etched records at the auction. We know that some of these can be valuable and > know a little about them but would love an expert opinion on the collection. > Most of the records are Berliner Gramophone records with the etched titles. > About half of them are signed by the artist who sang the song or conducted > the band. There are some really nice titles like "Yankee Doodle" and "Blue > Bells of Scotland." We also have several etched Zonophone records, about 10 > "Improved" records a few Victor without the dog and one Victor with the dog. > Here are a few pics. We are interested in anything you can tell us. > > Thanks again! > Melissa > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09714.jpg.html > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09713.jpg.html > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09712.jpg.html > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09711.jpg.html > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09710.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09709.jpg.html > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09708.jpg.html > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
I second PB Blaster enthusiastically. It helps with this greatly. Just beware the scent (which the manufacturers themselves warn you about, ha ha). Arvin in MA On 8/29/13 7:13 PM, "Andrew Baron" wrote: >Regarding the turntable liberation, I've found that the product PB >Blaster works much more effectively than Liquid Wrench or WD40. Any will >stain the felt but might be cleaned with a solvent afterward. > >A soak over night can work wonders, and then the turntable should be >leveraged upward by placing the fingers of each hand under the rim at 9 >and 3 o'clock and exerting upward force. Based on the rust I see in the >photos, this still might need more help, so WHILE exerting a firm and >steady upward force with both hands (good thing there's two of you), give >the top of the spindle a sharp tap with a hammer. It may take a few >tries, but be sure that the penetrating oil has had a chance to do its >job, and it's best to use a hard plastic mallet to avoid deforming the >spindle top, or taking other precautions. > >Wedges can also be used in lieu of fingers, if applied simultaneously and >exactly opposite each other -- beware that you can bend the spindle if >you're not careful, even if using only your hands. > >Good luck. > >Andrew Baron >Santa Fe > >On Aug 29, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: > >> Hi Harvey, >> >> Thanks for your insight! Nick is trying to get the turntable off as we >>speak to check for those extra holes. It is rusted on tight and it has >>been a long day today so we may wait til the weekend to actually get it >>off. He says he can see under the turntable and that there do not appear >>to be any extra holes just the three screws holding the motor on. >> >> Thanks again, >> Melissa >> >> >> >> From: harvey kravitz >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? >> >> >> From what I can see the parts are from a later Victor III. The cabinet >>looks old and original, but not to a Victor III. Did you take off the >>turn table to see if there were multiple holes in the motor board? If >>so, that would mean a swapped motor. If not, the cabinet can be new old >>stock that was modified by the original owner, a dealer, or a handyman. >>If there are no extra holes in the cabinet, I would strip and refinish >>it. It would be a very unique machine. >> Harvey Kravitz >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Melissa Ricci >> To: Phono-l ; "phonol...@yahoogroups.com" >> >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:34 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? >> >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk >>auction. Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and >>out! The double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the >>turntable and the upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came >>with a ID plate (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed >>a Victor III. It also came with a nice original wood horn. >> >> The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design >>before. After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in >>two cabinet types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We >>own a late style Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not >>the same. Strange. The wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and >>the back bracket looks to be correct. So we need to find out, is this a >>Frankenphone made up of Victor III parts with a handmade cabinet or a >>cabinet from a different machine? I was unable to find any cabinets with >>the kind of moldings this one has. Here are a few links to pictures we >>just took. >> >> Any ideas are greatly appreciated! >> >> >>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970 >>1.jpg.html >> >> >> >>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970 >>2.jpg.html >> >> >> >>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970 >>3.jpg.html >> >> >> >>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970 >>4.jpg.html >> >> >> >>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970 >>5.jpg.html >> >> >> >>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970 >>6.jpg.html >> >> >> Thanks, >> Melissa >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org >> > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
You're welcome. If it's stubborn, as it may well be, another soak and another day can get it closer to success. You have to picture what's happening microscopically between the spindle and the turntable hub; a VERY slow creeping in of the oil in tiny increments. Andrew On Aug 29, 2013, at 5:56 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: > > > Hi Andrew, > Thank you for the advice! We have been in this position before with a Victor > II turntable that was just terrible to remove! What a chore! We managed to > get it off with our hands and the hammer trick but we felt the liquide wrench > did very little to help even after soaking overnight twice. I am excited to > try the product you suggest so maybe this time will be better. Thanks so much! > Melissa > > > -- > On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:13 PM EDT Andrew Baron wrote: > >> Regarding the turntable liberation, I've found that the product PB Blaster >> works much more effectively than Liquid Wrench or WD40. Any will stain the >> felt but might be cleaned with a solvent afterward. >> >> A soak over night can work wonders, and then the turntable should be >> leveraged upward by placing the fingers of each hand under the rim at 9 and >> 3 o'clock and exerting upward force. Based on the rust I see in the photos, >> this still might need more help, so WHILE exerting a firm and steady upward >> force with both hands (good thing there's two of you), give the top of the >> spindle a sharp tap with a hammer. It may take a few tries, but be sure >> that the penetrating oil has had a chance to do its job, and it's best to >> use a hard plastic mallet to avoid deforming the spindle top, or taking >> other precautions. >> >> Wedges can also be used in lieu of fingers, if applied simultaneously and >> exactly opposite each other -- beware that you can bend the spindle if >> you're not careful, even if using only your hands. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Andrew Baron >> Santa Fe >> >> On Aug 29, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: >> >>> Hi Harvey, >>> >>> Thanks for your insight! Nick is trying to get the turntable off as we >>> speak to check for those extra holes. It is rusted on tight and it has been >>> a long day today so we may wait til the weekend to actually get it off. He >>> says he can see under the turntable and that there do not appear to be any >>> extra holes just the three screws holding the motor on. >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> Melissa >>> >>> >>> >>> From: harvey kravitz >>> To: Antique Phonograph List >>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? >>> >>> >>> From what I can see the parts are from a later Victor III. The cabinet >>> looks old and original, but not to a Victor III. Did you take off the turn >>> table to see if there were multiple holes in the motor board? If so, that >>> would mean a swapped motor. If not, the cabinet can be new old stock that >>> was modified by the original owner, a dealer, or a handyman. If there are >>> no extra holes in the cabinet, I would strip and refinish it. It would be a >>> very unique machine. >>> Harvey Kravitz >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Melissa Ricci >>> To: Phono-l ; "phonol...@yahoogroups.com" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:34 PM >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? >>> >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk >>> auction. Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and >>> out! The double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable >>> and the upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID >>> plate (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. >>> It also came with a nice original wood horn. >>> >>> The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design >>> before. After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in >>> two cabinet types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We >>> own a late style Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the >>> same. Strange. The wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the >>> back bracket looks to be correct. So we need to find out, is this a >>> Frankenphone made up of Victor III parts with a handmade cabinet or a >>> cabinet from a different machine? I was unable to find any cabinets with >>> the kind of moldings this one has. Here are a few links to pictures we just >>> took. >>> >>> Any ideas are greatly appreciated! >>> >>> http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html >>> >>> >>> http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html >>> >>> >>> http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html >>> >>> >>> http://s81.ph
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
Hi Andrew, Thank you for the advice! We have been in this position before with a Victor II turntable that was just terrible to remove! What a chore! We managed to get it off with our hands and the hammer trick but we felt the liquide wrench did very little to help even after soaking overnight twice. I am excited to try the product you suggest so maybe this time will be better. Thanks so much! Melissa -- On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 7:13 PM EDT Andrew Baron wrote: >Regarding the turntable liberation, I've found that the product PB Blaster >works much more effectively than Liquid Wrench or WD40. Any will stain the >felt but might be cleaned with a solvent afterward. > >A soak over night can work wonders, and then the turntable should be leveraged >upward by placing the fingers of each hand under the rim at 9 and 3 o'clock >and exerting upward force. Based on the rust I see in the photos, this still >might need more help, so WHILE exerting a firm and steady upward force with >both hands (good thing there's two of you), give the top of the spindle a >sharp tap with a hammer. It may take a few tries, but be sure that the >penetrating oil has had a chance to do its job, and it's best to use a hard >plastic mallet to avoid deforming the spindle top, or taking other precautions. > >Wedges can also be used in lieu of fingers, if applied simultaneously and >exactly opposite each other -- beware that you can bend the spindle if you're >not careful, even if using only your hands. > >Good luck. > >Andrew Baron >Santa Fe > >On Aug 29, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: > >> Hi Harvey, >> >> Thanks for your insight! Nick is trying to get the turntable off as we speak >> to check for those extra holes. It is rusted on tight and it has been a long >> day today so we may wait til the weekend to actually get it off. He says he >> can see under the turntable and that there do not appear to be any extra >> holes just the three screws holding the motor on. >> >> Thanks again, >> Melissa >> >> >> >> From: harvey kravitz >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? >> >> >> From what I can see the parts are from a later Victor III. The cabinet looks >> old and original, but not to a Victor III. Did you take off the turn table >> to see if there were multiple holes in the motor board? If so, that would >> mean a swapped motor. If not, the cabinet can be new old stock that was >> modified by the original owner, a dealer, or a handyman. If there are no >> extra holes in the cabinet, I would strip and refinish it. It would be a >> very unique machine. >> Harvey Kravitz >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Melissa Ricci >> To: Phono-l ; "phonol...@yahoogroups.com" >> >> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:34 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? >> >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. >> Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The >> double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the >> upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate >> (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It >> also came with a nice original wood horn. >> >> The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. >> After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet >> types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late >> style Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. >> Strange. The wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back >> bracket looks to be correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone >> made up of Victor III parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a >> different machine? I was unable to find any cabinets with the kind of >> moldings this one has. Here are a few links to pictures we just took. >> >> Any ideas are greatly appreciated! >> >> http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html >> >> >> http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html >> >> >> http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html >> >> >> http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.jpg.html >> >> >> http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.jpg.html >> >> >> http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.jpg.html >> >> >> Thanks, >> Melissa >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.or
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
Regarding the turntable liberation, I've found that the product PB Blaster works much more effectively than Liquid Wrench or WD40. Any will stain the felt but might be cleaned with a solvent afterward. A soak over night can work wonders, and then the turntable should be leveraged upward by placing the fingers of each hand under the rim at 9 and 3 o'clock and exerting upward force. Based on the rust I see in the photos, this still might need more help, so WHILE exerting a firm and steady upward force with both hands (good thing there's two of you), give the top of the spindle a sharp tap with a hammer. It may take a few tries, but be sure that the penetrating oil has had a chance to do its job, and it's best to use a hard plastic mallet to avoid deforming the spindle top, or taking other precautions. Wedges can also be used in lieu of fingers, if applied simultaneously and exactly opposite each other -- beware that you can bend the spindle if you're not careful, even if using only your hands. Good luck. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Aug 29, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: > Hi Harvey, > > Thanks for your insight! Nick is trying to get the turntable off as we speak > to check for those extra holes. It is rusted on tight and it has been a long > day today so we may wait til the weekend to actually get it off. He says he > can see under the turntable and that there do not appear to be any extra > holes just the three screws holding the motor on. > > Thanks again, > Melissa > > > > From: harvey kravitz > To: Antique Phonograph List > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? > > > From what I can see the parts are from a later Victor III. The cabinet looks > old and original, but not to a Victor III. Did you take off the turn table to > see if there were multiple holes in the motor board? If so, that would mean a > swapped motor. If not, the cabinet can be new old stock that was modified by > the original owner, a dealer, or a handyman. If there are no extra holes in > the cabinet, I would strip and refinish it. It would be a very unique machine. > Harvey Kravitz > > > > > > From: Melissa Ricci > To: Phono-l ; "phonol...@yahoogroups.com" > > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:34 PM > Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? > > > Hello Everyone, > > Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. > Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The > double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the > upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate > (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It also > came with a nice original wood horn. > > The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. > After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet > types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late style > Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. Strange. The > wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back bracket looks to be > correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone made up of Victor III > parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a different machine? I was > unable to find any cabinets with the kind of moldings this one has. Here are > a few links to pictures we just took. > > Any ideas are greatly appreciated! > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.jpg.html > > > Thanks, > Melissa > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
I am so glad to hear you suggest that! I have been thinking that the columns are replaced as well! I have never seen an HMV cabinet so I cannot compare the two. Thanks! Melissa From: John Robles To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? I think it's a Vic iii with replaced columns or maybe an hmv cabinet. It has the right Vic iii design except for the columns. John Robles On Aug 29, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. > Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The > double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the > upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate > (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It also > came with a nice original wood horn. > > The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. > After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet > types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late style > Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. Strange. The > wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back bracket looks to be > correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone made up of Victor III > parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a different machine? I was > unable to find any cabinets with the kind of moldings this one has. Here are > a few links to pictures we just took. > > Any ideas are greatly appreciated! > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.jpg.html > > > Thanks, > Melissa > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Berliner Records
Hello Again, Nick and I also won 54 early 7 inch Berliner, Victor, Zonophone, and Improved etched records at the auction. We know that some of these can be valuable and know a little about them but would love an expert opinion on the collection. Most of the records are Berliner Gramophone records with the etched titles. About half of them are signed by the artist who sang the song or conducted the band. There are some really nice titles like "Yankee Doodle" and "Blue Bells of Scotland." We also have several etched Zonophone records, about 10 "Improved" records a few Victor without the dog and one Victor with the dog. Here are a few pics. We are interested in anything you can tell us. Thanks again! Melissa http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09714.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09713.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09712.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09711.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09710.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09709.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Records/DSC09708.jpg.html ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
Hi Harvey, Thanks for your insight! Nick is trying to get the turntable off as we speak to check for those extra holes. It is rusted on tight and it has been a long day today so we may wait til the weekend to actually get it off. He says he can see under the turntable and that there do not appear to be any extra holes just the three screws holding the motor on. Thanks again, Melissa From: harvey kravitz To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? >From what I can see the parts are from a later Victor III. The cabinet looks >old and original, but not to a Victor III. Did you take off the turn table to >see if there were multiple holes in the motor board? If so, that would mean a >swapped motor. If not, the cabinet can be new old stock that was modified by >the original owner, a dealer, or a handyman. If there are no extra holes in >the cabinet, I would strip and refinish it. It would be a very unique machine. Harvey Kravitz From: Melissa Ricci To: Phono-l ; "phonol...@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? Hello Everyone, Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It also came with a nice original wood horn. The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late style Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. Strange. The wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back bracket looks to be correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone made up of Victor III parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a different machine? I was unable to find any cabinets with the kind of moldings this one has. Here are a few links to pictures we just took. Any ideas are greatly appreciated! http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.jpg.html Thanks, Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
I think it's a Vic iii with replaced columns or maybe an hmv cabinet. It has the right Vic iii design except for the columns. John Robles On Aug 29, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. > Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The > double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the > upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate > (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It also > came with a nice original wood horn. > > The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. > After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet > types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late style > Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. Strange. The > wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back bracket looks to be > correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone made up of Victor III > parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a different machine? I was > unable to find any cabinets with the kind of moldings this one has. Here are > a few links to pictures we just took. > > Any ideas are greatly appreciated! > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.jpg.html > > > http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.jpg.html > > > Thanks, > Melissa > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
>From what I can see the parts are from a later Victor III. The cabinet looks >old and original, but not to a Victor III. Did you take off the turn table to >see if there were multiple holes in the motor board? If so, that would mean a >swapped motor. If not, the cabinet can be new old stock that was modified by >the original owner, a dealer, or a handyman. If there are no extra holes in >the cabinet, I would strip and refinish it. It would be a very unique machine. Harvey Kravitz From: Melissa Ricci To: Phono-l ; "phonol...@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:34 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone? Hello Everyone, Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It also came with a nice original wood horn. The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late style Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. Strange. The wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back bracket looks to be correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone made up of Victor III parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a different machine? I was unable to find any cabinets with the kind of moldings this one has. Here are a few links to pictures we just took. Any ideas are greatly appreciated! http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.jpg.html Thanks, Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
Hello Everyone, Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk auction. Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and out! The double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the turntable and the upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came with a ID plate (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed a Victor III. It also came with a nice original wood horn. The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design before. After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in two cabinet types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We own a late style Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not the same. Strange. The wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and the back bracket looks to be correct. So we need to find out, is this a Frankenphone made up of Victor III parts with a handmade cabinet or a cabinet from a different machine? I was unable to find any cabinets with the kind of moldings this one has. Here are a few links to pictures we just took. Any ideas are greatly appreciated! http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09701.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09702.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09703.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09704.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09705.jpg.html http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC09706.jpg.html Thanks, Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Transporting Victrola's
Some years ago I used Freighters and Craters to have some upright phonographs shipped from Ohio to Texas, etc. I believe they are a national chain. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of brice paris Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:33 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Transporting Victrola's I know this has been a subject on the list in the past, but I could not find it. So I am asking again if anyone knows a reliable shipper that will transport victrola's. I currently have a need to transport one from southern Oregon or Sacramento California to the Denver area?I would appreciate any help or information you could pass on. Thanks brice ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Transporting Victrola's
I know this has been a subject on the list in the past, but I could not find it. So I am asking again if anyone knows a reliable shipper that will transport victrola's. I currently have a need to transport one from southern Oregon or Sacramento California to the Denver area?I would appreciate any help or information you could pass on. Thanks brice ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
