Re: [Phono-L] Swiss made, Gold plated?

[DanKj via Phono-L]

 I believe the long flat thing is the on-off mechanism, as on my VV2-65 - 
it's automatic when the tone-arm is moved to the outside.



- Original Message - 
From: "Ron L'Herault via Phono-L" 
To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" 
Cc: "Ron L'Herault" 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 2:17 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Swiss made, Gold plated?


> Don't remember if we can attach pics here but I tried anyhow.  I'm trying 
> to
> find out what this large Swiss made motor might have come out of.  It is
> missing its spindle and associated gear(s) and probably a few other bits 
> and
> pieces.  I think the long flat thing up the top is part of a mechanism to
> tell how many records one can play on a winding.  The two heavy metal
> brackets came with it as well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron L
>





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Re: [Phono-L] Orthophonic vs. Electric?

[DanKj]

 I question the Ediphonic horn because of its squareness.  I just cannot 
regard any square or rectangular horn as being proper - exponentiality 
calls for roundness, to me.



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 A friend of mine, Tom Kimble who is a mechanical engineer and phono
collector, has taken the initiative and designed a genuinely, mathematically
correct exponential cygnet horn and fitted it to an Amberola 50 motor
mechanism and mounted in a custom cabinet.  As an engineering demonstration,
it was purposely designed to have the same length and bell area as the
popular Edison 12-panel cygnet metal horn so as to provide a direct
comparison of the technical advantage of the exponential design over the
less sophisticated design of the legacy cygnet.  Tom also developed a clever
pantograph double crane suspension system that provides minimal mechanical
loading of the carriage as it has to carry the horn across the record.  Also
better than Edison's designs.  He calls his machine the Ediphonic which I
find entirely appropriate.  Some phono collectors consider such a machine
derisively to be a frankenphone, but I consider it to be the epitome of
how good an Edison machine COULD have sounded if he had taken the trouble to
put a proper exponential horn on his phonographs. 

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Re: [Phono-L] Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4)

[DanKj]

   All of my acoustic records sound dandy on my Orthophonics - the whiny, 
nasal blast of early Victor band records is smoothed-out, and the latent 
bass notes on Columbias is brought-out.  Just don't pay too much, and you 
can't go wrong.



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To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:02 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4)


I've been offered a Victrola 8-4 (VV 8-4), and I'm wondering what to do. I 
haven't seen it in person yet, so I don't know if it has any pot metal 
issues; does this particular model tend to develop those? And if so, where? 
Just the tone arm mount, or the tone arm itself? How about the reproducer? 
And just as important, how do these machines sound? I've never owned an 
orthophonic before (see other post) -- just earlier acoustic machines, and 
electric machines from the late 1920's on. Do acoustic records sound best on 
acoustic machines? And do later records (say, 1926 and later) sound better 
on orthophonic machines, or electric? I know this is a matter of personal 
preference, but I'd be very interested to hear your opinion. And does anyone 
out there own an actual VV 8-4? If so, how does it sound compared to, say, a 
Credenza, or a high-end Columbia Viva-Tonal? (I've seen the videos on 
YouTube, but it's hard to get a sense of how they actually sound that way.) 
If I want to add an
 orthophonic to my collection at some point, would I be much better off with 
a Credenza or some comparable machine? And what would be a fair price for an 
8-4 in decent condition, assuming it doesn't need any work?

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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BKT 2/4 Gearing Info Needed

[DanKj]

 There are some pics of the gears on a BO machine here : 
http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=16088... I believe 
they would be the same on a BKT. 
I will check my 2/4 BK to be sure .


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To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 2:37 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BKT 2/4 Gearing Info Needed


|I recently purchased a Columbia BKT, which the previous owner said had an 
issue in 2 minute mode. What I 
discovered is that it has an issue in both 2  4 minute mode. In 4 min mode it 
starts out playing correctly, 
but by 1/3rd of the way through, it starts to skip a groove or two. I hadn't 
tried it in 2 min mode, until 
yesterday. When shifted into two minute mode, it does something completely 
strange... it runs the feedscrew 
backwards. Has anyone ever experienced this issue? I believe that someone has 
tried to adjust the 2/4 minute 
gearing and maybe disassembled it, then put something in backward... Is this 
possible? Does anyone have a 
picture or diagram of the correct configuration of the gearing? Thanks for any 
help...
| Curt
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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BKT connecting arm needed...

[DanKj]

 Do you need the U-shaped section common to the BKT and the BQ, or the special 
BKT-only connector?  The BKT 
has both.


- Original Message - 
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To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Columbia BKT connecting arm needed...


| HI
| You might check croaking frog on ebay
| i thought i saw one on ebay recently
| zono
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
| To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
| Sent: Sun, Mar 2, 2014 8:53 pm
| Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia BKT connecting arm needed...
|
|
| Does anyone have a Columbia BKT connecting arm for sale, that goes from the
| tonearm to the reproducer?Curt Angstmanpuzzlerecords(at)outlook(dot)com
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison model C question / identification?

[DanKj]

 A button on the front, under the carriage's straight edge, should be a 
repeater, not a shaver.
Here's a link to an ICS Standard: 
http://www.collectorsworldwest.com/lookup.php?id=61



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-Original Message-






It looks like a regular Edison Standard when looking at the case. The ID
plate indicates it is a model C ( don't recall if it says Standard): no
gate: has what I would call an early model speed control knob at the left
front of the bed-plate: has what I think is a factory shaver ( thumb
button on the right) built on the cast part of the bed plate which the
carriage rides across: 

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Re: [Phono-L] 'Fess up... ?

[DanKj]

 Nobody on the Talking Machine Forum seems to have gotten it ... 
http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=14t=16004


- Original Message - 
From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:24 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] 'Fess up... ?


| O.K who snapped up the mahogany Vic IV horn in Olympia yesterday?
| Congrats - you deserve to brag!!!
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Re: [Phono-L] Central TexasThomas Edison Birthday Party

[DanKj]

 Darn, I forgot the date!

 Happy 167th, TAE.

ps - in the 1850 Census, he was a GIRL named Alana !



- Original Message - 
From: Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:00 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Central TexasThomas Edison Birthday Party


Join other Central Texas antique phonograph collectors to celebrate Thomas
Edison's Birthday at Immortal Performances, Inc., 1404 West 30th Street,
Austin, Texas 78703-1402 at 6:00 P.M. TODAY!





Jim Cartwright

IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC

Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971

1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA

(512) 478-9954E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net





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Re: [Phono-L] Edison's Birthday

[DanKj]

 Let me correct myself - he is clearly ennumerated as M for Male - but still 
named Alana.  Maybe I saw him 
as F on one of the transcribed index sites.


 Anyway, here's the page with the Edison Family:   
https://app.box.com/s/p8det7pbqlon0joib3iw




- Original Message - 
From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Central TexasThomas Edison Birthday Party


| Darn, I forgot the date!
|
| Happy 167th, TAE.
|
| ps - in the 1850 Census, he was a GIRL named Alana !

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Re: [Phono-L] A New Year's Gift from The Antique Phonograph Society

[DanKj]

  There IS a Santa Claus, I knew it!  This year, he's disguised as Mr.Wakeman.

 Many thanks to him  the APS!

 I may hafta join, finally.


- Original Message - 
From: George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 12:44 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] A New Year's Gift from The Antique Phonograph Society


|
| Happy New Year, everyone! :)
|
|
| I'm happy to announce that, through the hard work and generosity of Mr. R.J. 
Wakeman, The Antique Phonograph 
Society has made available on our website
|
|
| www.antiquephono.org
|
|
| his entire (heretofore unpublished) 380-page book entitled,
|
|
| Brunswick Phonographs, Panatropes, and Records.

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Re: [Phono-L] Isn't This A Reprint? The Talking Machine 1899 Catalogue

[DanKj]

 I think Al was the father, and Neal was his son.  SS Death Index says Al 
(Albert or Aloysius, depending on 
the source) lived 1898-1985, and Neal 1927-2001 .

- Original Message - 
From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Isn't This A Reprint? The Talking Machine 1899 Catalogue


| This is a buyers beware situation since you cannot write to bidders anymore.
|
| Neal's Antiques Cylinder and Disc Phonographs was run by Neal Gerichten.  
Back in 1983 he sold things.  I do 
not know if he just sold these or he had them made but they are reprints.
|
| Neal offered to make me the tiny screw holding the moving stylus bar 
shoulders onto the weight for $2.00, I 
cannot even remember if I had it made.
|
| I do not know any collector that would put his stamp on originals.  I know of 
other people who have these 
same reprints with Neal's stamp on them.
|
| I found it extremely funny that they were going so high being reprints from a 
seller that is not a phono 
person who called a dealer a collector.  I recognized the address.
|
| Neal (Al) was a dealer.  I thought this was original based on the price until 
another collector pointed out 
that they were reprints, when I saw Neal's stamp I knew it was a reprint.
|
| I do not know why Neal called himself Al as well unless a son took over from 
a father, but both of the 
letters I have from him from 1983 he signed them Neal and the address is 23 
Waldo Ave.  On the one paper Neal 
sent me it was written Al Gerichten with a NE in pen in front of it so it looks 
like NEAL  GERICHTEN.
|
| Allen K might know Neal as I think I got Neal's address from the Antique 
Phonograph Monthly.
|
| Steve
|
|  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
|  From: clockworkh...@aol.com
|  Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 21:23:39 -0500
|  Subject: [Phono-L] Isn't This A Reprint? The Talking Machine 1899 Catalogue
| 
| 
|  I have two copies of an 1899 The Talking Machine catalogue that I assume to 
be reprints.
|  There is a copy on eBay from Al Gerichten's collection.
|  How does one know an original from a copy?
|  The eBay number is 370972229899  The current bid seems way too high.
|  Who reprinted these?
|  It was a nice job but yet another that had no indication to set it apart 
from an original.
|  Any information on these would be appreciated.
|  Thanks and Happy New Year to All...
|  Al
| 
| 
|  .
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Re: [Phono-L] Fw: Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 267

[DanKj]

I take a deep breath  silently say oy vey! to myself - then I move 
along.



- Original Message - 
From: Ron rnb...@yahoo.com

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fw: Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 267


An issue I'm curious about in these circumstances is how many good 
intentioned people contact a seller to inform them of a potential error 
etc. and whether that may impact a specific reply.  Many years ago I 
created a listing for something not phonograph related and to be honest 
not 100% knowledgeable about and was promptly informed by 37 people of 
what I believed at the time was a non critical error.  My point is that I 
got the point around number 2.  The next 35 were a bit pile on.  Just a 
side story when considering approaching a seller.


Merry Christmas to all!

Ron



On Dec 24, 2013, at 2:58 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote:

I have to admit I can rarely resist writing these people. I always 
approach it from the standpoint of sharing knowledge.  If they have 
something that is a piece of junk and they are representing it as 
something else, I tell them I'm not sure who told you it was a  
but that was inaccurate.  I hope you didn't have to pay too much for it. 
Thankfully, the vast majority o people I have contacted have thanked me 
for my input, and many have changed their auctions to mroe accurately 
represent the item. First I check their other items, and if they are not 
phonograph related items, I figure they just don't know what they have. 
Although one time the guy I gently corrected got all mad and told me if I 
didn't butt out he would contact eBay and report me.  Which indicated to 
me that he was angry that someone knew what he was selling was 
fraudulent.  My aim is not to shame the seller, but to protect any 
potential buyers that haven't got the knowledge to
know they may be bidding on something fraudulent or damaged or that is 
not original..

John Robles





From: Burdette Walters burdettewalt...@yahoo.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Fw: Phono-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 267




I have found that if you try NICElY to tell these people about the 
instrument they have, they consider it an insult from someone that 
doesn't have a clueLOL



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Today's Topics:

   1. Just in time for Christmas...  Edison Phonograph No.6
  (clockworkh...@aol.com)
   2. Re: Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6
  (harvey kravitz)
   3. Re: Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6
  (zonophone2...@aol.com)
   4. Re: Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6
  (Glenn Longwell)
   5. Re: Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph No.6
  (john robles)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:49:10 -0500 (EST)
From: clockworkh...@aol.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas...  Edison Phonograph
No.6
Message-ID: 8d0ce3ff2719fbc-e94-3a...@webmail-m255.sysops.aol.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


Seasons Greetings:
For only $1,000 you can own an Edison Phonograph No.6 now on eBay!  How 
some sellers can offer things without knowing a thing about them is 
beyond me.  This Amberola 30 has the very rare 'oil spout funnel' horn. 
It would be funny but this seller really thinks the thing is worth the 
$1,000 opening bid.  If someone bites then I will be truly astounded. 
See eBay item # 281232163262
Merry Christmas to all, may you find something with a crank handle under 
the tree,

Al



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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 15:01:56 -0800 (PST)
From: harvey kravitz harveykrav...@yahoo.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Just in time for Christmas... Edison Phonograph
No.6
Message-ID:
1387839716.27172.yahoomail...@web161203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

That was posted on another forum. A real piece of crap. For this price, I 
think the seller is smoking crack.

Harvey Kravitz





On Monday, December 

Re: [Phono-L] Fred Crosier, RIP

[DanKj]

  http://www.northadams.com/obituaries_new.php?ob_id=10201


- Original Message - 
From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net
To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 4:39 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Fred Crosier, RIP


|I learned last evening that Fred Crosier, North Adams, MA, had passed away
| at age 104.  
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Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] Wonderful new web resources

[DanKj]

 Not to complain or to look a gift horse in the mouth, but :  Some of the 
scans are so poorly done  then highly compressed as to be illegible.  Some 
of the original scanning was sloppy in the extreme - not square in the 
frame, bad focus carried through entire volumes, etc.   I've downloaded 
either the jp2 versions or the original scanned images in some cases, and 
those are sometimes easier to see. This is the case with much of the archive 
dot org files, not just this batch.


The original, uncropped  unadjusted scans often show just how crude was 
their setup - books were laid out on a piece of cardboard with a few frame 
marks on it, with apparently no means of holding the pages in bound volumes 
down FLAT so the whole page could be in focus.  Grease marks and crumbs 
showed that the scanning person was eating on the job, and his dirty fingers 
and nails appear here and there.  Almost looks as if they hired bums off the 
street, quite frankly. Too bad they (the Library of Congress, I assume) 
aren't using volunteer collectors to do the scanning - at least they'd have 
enough interest to try doing a good job.



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From: srsel...@aol.com

To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:01 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] Wonderful new web resources


All I can say is WOW! Not only all the EPMs but look at what else. Below is
a posting from Sam Brylawski from the ARSCList - which I'm sure many of
you  PHONO collectors are not on.

Steve Ramm





I don't recall reading an announcement of this here. If I'm  mistaken I hope
you'll agree that it's well worth a new mention.

The  great Media History Project that scans media serials for the  Internet
Archive, and provides a handy front end for them, has added runs  of Talking
Machine World; the 1896 Phonoscope; and the Edison Phonograph  Monthly to
its already rich  holdings.

http://mediahistoryproject.org/broadcasting/

Congrats  and thanks to David Pierce (author of the important and
just-published  survey of extant silent films) and his team, and the staff
of the LC  Recorded Sound Reference Center.

Have fun. My apologies to your  families.

Sam Brylawski
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Re: [Phono-L] Wonderful new web resources

[DanKj]

 In that case, all the scans look fine.  Never mind.  :)

- Original Message - 
From: srsel...@aol.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Wonderful new web resources


Note that the project is NOT a Library of Congress project or even a
GOVERNMENT project!  See below:  (obviously some folks were in too  much of 
a
hurry to complain). If you want to volunteer to help, I'm sure that  could 
use

it.



_Media History Digital  Library - About_
(http://mediahistoryproject.org/about-2/)

Steve Ramm
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Re: [Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer

[DanKj]

There is an Electric Phonograph Corporation stock certificate, circa 1918, 
on the below site - says they were the makers of the Phonolamp


http://scripophily.net/elphoncor.html


- Original Message - 
From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Lyric 8108, interested in label scans or transfer


No, I didn't. However, I will likely be in touch with him and Allan Sutton 
once I receive the record I want to compare to Lyric 8108. It's on the way 
to me, hopefully in one piece...


Here's the record here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291014454135?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649


The side with no label has the slight possibility of being from a Lyric 
master. If so, it's possible this is the work of Clarion as Jacques Kohner 
started that after he left Lyraphone. If that's the case then there's no 
wonder why this label never got off the ground - a vertical cut record from 
1921 would have been a bad business decision! Have yet to find anything on 
Electronic Phonograph Corporation in New York. Have found Electric 
Phonograph Company in Kalamazoo though. So I'll be try to figure out where 
both of these sides came from.


Thanks,
Glenn



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Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Grafonola

[DanKj]

They must be somewhat printer-friendly;  the reprints I see on ebay are 
obviously the same scans from Nipperhead



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There is also a multi-model booklet in reproduction often for sale on
eBay.  It is also available digitally for onscreen reference only (it is
not printer friendly): http://www.nipperhead.com/old/colgraf.htm


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Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer

[DanKj]

I keep thinking this is from a coin-operated machine   just a feeling I 
have




- Original Message - 
From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer


Interesting. I wonder when iand why the adaption was made? The aluminum 
diaphragm seems a copy of some of the disc reproducer diaphragms of later 
years.






From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer


1904 I would guess.


Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:25:37 -0700
From: john9...@pacbell.net
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer

It is 415944.





From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer


What is the serial number of the top? Since it is not by the letters it 
should be above 390,000.


 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 10:22:06 -0700
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer

 Hello all
 How about some opinions on this reproducer? It is an Edison model C top 
 with a trimmed weight. Also, the sapphire bar is unusual, though it 
 appears to contain an Edison doorknob sapphire. The hinge block has also 
 been skillfully modified and is spring loaded, perhaps to counter the 
 docked tailweight? The diaphragm is not an Edison, it is silver and it 
 has a hump in the middle where the link attaches. Anyone got any ideas?
 Also there is a faint script capital F beneath the hole in the weight. 
 Doesn't stand for Frick, I hope!


 Here is a link to some photos. I will add more later.

 http://s197.photobucket.com/user/john9ten/library/Odd%20reproducer

 John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] Odd cylinder reproducer

[DanKj]

oops, never mind - NOW I see Steve's message about the same thing!


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I keep thinking this is from a coin-operated machine   just a feeling 
I have


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Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine

[DanKj]

 Not the best microphone placement, but this gives a hint of how a 
Vitaphone can sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN5E9yGCuSM



- Original Message - 
From: Nicholas Williams william...@up.edu

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Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine



What an interesting machine.  Does anyone have a video of one playing?



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Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine

[DanKj]

Your 60 is almost identical to my 50;  was 60 the Canadian version?  I also 
see that yours lacks the big weight that mine has, on the business end of 
the 'tone arm' ; I wonder if that would explain why mine is loud  yours is 
anemic ...



- Original Message - 
From: Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine


   This topic of the Vitaphone had come up last year on the TMF forum.  I 
posted some pictures there then that showed the way the thread connected 
the wooden needle bar to the reproducer diaphragm.  I've added a few more 
pictures there that show more of the model 60 machine.  Here's the link to 
that page for those who want to see the pictures:


http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=7t=11354

Greg Bogantz



- Original Message - 
From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu

To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine



Thanks for the detailed reply, Greg.   I have seen pictures of this style
already.  Amazing.

Ron

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On

Behalf Of Greg Bogantz
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 3:59 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine

Hi Ron,

   I have a Vitaphone model 60 which is the consolette version of this
machine.  Yes, I'd say it is anemic compared with most other machines 
of

this vintage.  The reason is pretty obvious - the design of the acoustic
system is pretty silly.  What appears to be the tonearm is more easily
understood as being actually a HUGE stylus bar.  The long wooden piece 
has

the needle attached at the front end and it is expected to transmit the
needle vibrations along the length of this wooden bar to a string at the
back end which is coupled under tension to the center of the reproducer
diaphragm which is located at the back of the tonearm.  The actual 
tonearm
is a metal structure positioned under the wooden bar that has a vertical 
and
lateral pivot near the front that supports the wooden needle bar and 
allows
both vertical and lateral wiggling of the wooden bar.  As you can 
suspect,
the compliance of this arrangement is ridiculously poor with a HUGE 
amount
of mass (the whole wooden bar) having to be moved by the needle.  The 
string
that couples the back of the wooden bar to the diaphragm can be strung 
over
a metal hook at the back of the lateral tonearm pivot stanchion which 
causes

the tension in the string to be directed kinda sorta laterally to the
diaphragm.  This is the way the system is supposed to be set to play 
lateral
records.  The more direct linkage of the string drawing down vertically 
from

the diaphragm (not threaded over the metal hook) is the setup for playing
vertical records.  As you might expect, the vertical setup is more 
efficient

and sensitive than the lateral setup.  Consequently, I most often use my
Vitaphone to play Pathe Sapphire discs with a sapphire ball stylus in the
needle chuck.  It sounds better playing Pathes than any lateral records.
Theoretically, you could play Edison DDs by mounting an Edison diamond 
point
in the needle chuck.  But the tonearm friction is high enough that I 
haven't

wanted to try playing DDs on the machine.  In any case, the sound
transmission thru the bizarre needle bar system is pretty inefficient and
lossy which makes the Vitaphone have little volume compared with more
conventional players, either Edisons, Pathes, or Victors.  And the high
moving mass of the wooden bar causes  considerable loss of treble 
response,
so the sound is pretty mellow compared with other machines.  It's 
actually

fairly pleasant and less honky than other acoustic players.

   The other weirdness of the model 60 is the complicated plumbing that
connects the diaphragm output to the horn which is inside the LID of the
player!  So there are swivel joints that allow the horn to be tilted 
upward
with the lid as it is raised, while still enabling the acoustic plumbing 
to
remain intact and functional.  So it will play through the horn with the 
lid

either open or closed.  Definitely different.  Still, it's a neat looking
piece that is seldom seen and it does work after a fashion.  I have 
pictures

of my model 60 if you would like to see them.

Greg Bogantz



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From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net
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phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 1:44 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Vitaphone acoustic machine



A few MOCAPS members have been discussing the lateral/vertical Vitaphone
phono from the teens, early 20s.   Only one member heard one 20 or more
years ago and that one may have been unrestored.   He found it anemic
sounding.  S, I was wondering if any 

Re: [Phono-L] The Edison Phonograph Monthly Question

[DanKj]

Someone (bigapple59) offers various volumes on ebay all the time @ $17.99 
with postage, so he must have bought the remainders. 
http://tinyurl.com/ls7f23s



 I admit to reading every single page of mine, even the boring parts !!  I 
also have 2 sets  guess I thought they'd be worth something, someday.



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Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] The Edison Phonograph Monthly Question



John,

Thank you for your response. Glad I had the chance to purchase all  14. I
must admit I did not page through all them to any length. I got involved 
in
getting the EPM's from Wendell Moore as preserving phonograph history. As 
I

recall, back when I purchased almost all of Wendell's books, or after,, I
got a letter from Wendell, asking if I would be interested in his 
inventory

of unsold EPMs. I declined this venture and  often wondered if  any  other
phonograph collector stepped up to the plate,? Do you know who may be
selling any of Wendell's APM's today, or if any original APM's are still
available??


In a message dated 8/23/2013 12:19:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
john9...@pacbell.net writes:

Fourteen  volumes is the whole set. I bought mine 15 years ago and I never
tire of  it.
John Robles

On Aug 22, 2013, at 8:43 PM, phonost...@aol.com  wrote:


Hi Phono Friends,

As an avid collector  since 1985 of anything Phonograph related,

including

mostly the  common phonographs, records, books, related postcards, record



 catalogs ect. I am considering selling my 14 exact reproduction, red

 hard

cover  books of  The Edison Phonograph Monthly   by Wendell  Moore.

I realize the price went down since  the contents of these books were

put

on line, but these books  are 'The' originals, excellent condition, and I



would like to  find them a new home to enjoy.

Before I offer my set for  sale, I would like to know if I have the
complete set! I have  Vol 1 through 14.

Did Wendell Moore make a Vol. 15, or did I  slowly purchase all His great



book venture?  The   last of my EPM Vol. 14 is dated March,  1915.

 And   Thanks  to all my phonograph Friends out there,   who helped me

to

learn and enjoy this hobby over these years  of  collecting and

caring of

my Phonograph venture!!


Sincerely,

Joan Lehman
Dover,  PA
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Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen

[DanKj]

I still want a cement Edison cylinder phonograph  !


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edison_phonograph_1912.jpg


- Original Message - 
From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Electric pen



Hi John ~

A friend sent me this link this morning and I watched the video.  This may 
sound harsh (for me), but I found it to be typically inaccurate media-mill 
fodder, with a catchy segment title to attract a big audience.  Seems 
they're also catering to the contingent that's hungry to pounce on an 
Edison failure, perhaps?


In reality, wasn't the electric pen Edison's first successful 
mass-produced product; i.e., mass produced by Edison's own shops and 
marketed in America and Europe, keeping his first factory quite occupied 
during its brief heyday?  While we know that although the apparatus was 
hard to maintain by untrained office staff, conceptually the idea was 
successful enough to attract lumber man A. B. Dick, who with the much 
simplified Edison's Mimeograph put himself on the map as a major office 
machine and supplies manufacturer.


Certainly it is true that the motorized pen was the ideal basis for the 
tattoo stylus (or whatever the right word might be).


A more accurate brief account than the tv.yahoo video:
http://edison.rutgers.edu/pen.htm

NOW FOR ACCURACY IN REPORTING
Edison's worst invention in terms of unsuccessful marketing, must have 
been his Electric Vote Recorder, his first issued patent unless I got this 
from a flawed history book.  None were manufactured beyond the prototype.


Andrew Baron
Santa Fe

On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:48 PM, john robles wrote:

Here is a clip on what was called Thomas Edison's Worst Invention. Of 
course it is not well researched, but it is an interesting wawtch!


http://tv.yahoo.com/video/playlist/primetime/thomas-edisons-worst-invention-061926628.html

John Robles
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Re: [Phono-L] The New His Master's Voice Instrument

[DanKj]

The HMV 162 (and others) had a sheet metal saxophone horn - it ran down 
to the bottom of the cabinet  then back up to the horn grille.  There's a 
photo on this page: 
http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=2906start=10   ... 
The 203 Re-Entrant horn was also made of sheet metal, which gave it a 
high-frequency response advantage over the rough wooden Victor Orthophonic 
type horns.


If you can access YooToob, search for the different model numbers  you 
should find some demonstrations.   Most seem to have had the No.4 
reproducer, so they won't be quite up to the Orthophonic standard.



- Original Message - 
From: Jim Cartwright jim...@earthlink.net




Was looking at a couple of HMV record sleeves that promote the just
introduced electrical recordings (though the term isn't used)  the
statement Listen to the bass! but instruments illustrated on one of the
sleeves are in rather small cabinets with horn openings no larger than
pre-Orthophonic Victrolas in comparable sized cabinets, especially the
Table Grand Model (No. 127) but also the Cabinet Grand Model (No. 
162).

Could these have had somewhat larger folded horns that could come anywhere
near to reproducing the bass response of the earliest electrical 
recordings?

If not, how could the listener, Listen to the Bass! as the copy writer
admonished?(The other sleeve shows a large  'Re-Entrant' Model (No.
203) with horn opening filling the entire front of the cabinet which 
would

probably be the HMV equivalent of the Victrola Orthophonic Credenza.)
What kind of horns, tonearms  soundboxes were embodied in the HMV No. 127 


162  how do these perform when playing earliest electrical recordings?



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[Phono-L] Model O serial number 491 reproducer quiz

[DanKj]

In case they disappear from the eeBae lisitng, I put the photos in a Box 
folder:   https://app.box.com/s/74v9cwv2nq3u8z7mz5i3



- Original Message - 
From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:00 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Model O serial number 491 reproducer quiz






http://www.ebay.com/itm/EDISON-PHONOGRAPH-MODEL-O-2-4-MINUTE-REPRODUCER-REBUILT-PLAYS-GREAT-/200940043348

Here is a model O reproducer serial number 491.

1.  What year was the reproducer in the photo made?

2. What is unusual about the reproducer in the photo?

3. When did the first pot metal O tops come out?

4. What is the difference between an O, N, and N-56 R S top?

5. When did the dome tops come out?

Note: this has nothing to do with the seller, it is all about learning and 
this is the best way to learn as it illustrates several important 
reproducer principles I hope to make common knowledge.


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Re: [Phono-L] Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers

[DanKj]

  Brunswick used excellent reproducers on their Panatrope acoustic 
models;  of all my portables, the Brunswick sounds best.
I don't know the model name or number : 
https://www.box.com/s/zjxyhfwvzh6asqk0cw65




- Original Message - 
From: Arvin Casas it...@arvincasas.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:17 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Top After Market Othrophonic Reproducers



Hello Again,

I was wondering what aftermarket ortho-style reproducers my phellow 
phono

pholk have tried using, if any, and which ones they felt showed a marked
improvement or at least performed admirably?

I know that many in the U.K. have a fondness for the Meltrope III sound 
box

(I understand its EMG lineage might be underlying the affection for it).
Similarly, I was provided the chance to buy a Leventhall that has a 
Columbia

mount which sounds rather good to these ears.

Are there any others, say US Made, that garner such enthusiasm?

I'm not unhappy with my Viva-Tonal and Orthophonic stock reproducers, but
like the stereotype of the pop rock guitarist, am always curious about 
other

sounds.

Hope everyone is wearing their sunscreen,

Arvin


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[Phono-L] Making Edison records in 1912

[DanKj]

 Here's an interesting article from AMERICAN MACHINIST, May 1912 - some 
cylinder moulding details !


https://www.box.com/s/4ecskhw3dt2g3q08j89y


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Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick panatropes (continued)

[DanKj]

I think there's one on eebay, right now: 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brunswick-radio-with-panatrope-model-t4000-/151052855927



- Original Message - 
From: rpm...@aol.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Brunswick panatropes (continued)



Wikipedia supports a substantial article about Brunswick (named for its
creator, an emigrant from Switzerland) and its subsequent association with 
Mr.

Balke and Mr. Collender, all during the 19th century.

It mentions their discs and phonographs.  It eventually manufactured 
other

non-billiard objects too, and the name still does exist and a company
carrying the name Brunswick of course does exist today.  There is no 
mention of

its remaining in the record business or any objects associated with
phonographs after its sale to Warner Brothers ca. 1930 --- although record
collectors know that discs with Brunswick labels were manufactured well 
into the

1930s.


In a message dated 6/4/2013 9:51:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gbogan...@charter.net writes:

I have some pictures of a Brunswick console that is from about 1947,
definitely after WWII.  It is labeled as Brunswick with  Panatrope.  It
looks like it was actually made by  Capehart-Farnsworth as it uses the
Farnsworth P-56 record changer and the  chassis looks like a Farnsworth
AM-FM
model from 1947.  It even uses  the FM channel numbers from 200 to 300 on
the
dial rather than the FM  frequencies in MHz.  Capehart-Farnsworth were
among
the few makers to  use the FM channel numbers in the postwar period.  So
Brunswick  evidently continued the use of the Panatrope moniker into the
postwar  period and probably continued to use it until they went out of 
the


radio/phono business shortly thereafter.

Greg  Bogantz




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Sent: Monday,  June 03, 2013 2:44 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Brunswick  panatropes


I visited a friend yesterday and he showed me a  Brunswick  Panatrope 
(with
phonograph changer and radio) which he  believed dated to the  late 
1930s.


My parents owned a  model, c. 1930, with phonograph and  radiola, and I
had no idea  that the Brunswick name was used on combination  credenzas
 through
that decade.

Can someone tell me when the  Brunswick name was dropped from  such
machines?

 Paul Charosh
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Re: [Phono-L] Phonoscope and Talking Machine World on line

[DanKj]

I just wish these weren't via the Internet Archive, as they usually have 
the worst quality PDF files anywhere.  I don't know what they do to them, 
but despite being huge files, they're often unreadable.  Lots of the text  
most of the illustrations in their Phonoscope file are blobs of mush. 
Here's a screen-shot to show what I mean:


https://www.box.com/s/27eaim7yyinhihpsnku2





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Re: [Phono-L] Phonoscope and Talking Machine World on line

[DanKj]

I just found that if you click either the HTTPS or the Torrent links on 
the pages for these files,  you can download really LARGE folders of much 
better jp2 images.  The original scans appear to be snaps taken with a 
digital camera while the bound volumes lay on a table, with no effort made 
to hold the pages flat. The compression process from jpeg to PDF is not kind 
to poor focus!



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From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phonoscope and Talking Machine World on line


I just wish these weren't via the Internet Archive, as they usually have 
the worst quality PDF files anywhere.  I don't know what they do to them, 
but despite being huge files, they're often unreadable.  Lots of the text 
 most of the illustrations in their Phonoscope file are blobs of mush. 
Here's a screen-shot to show what I mean:


https://www.box.com/s/27eaim7yyinhihpsnku2







_The Phonoscope : Hunting,  Russell, [from old catalog] ed : Free Download
 Streaming : Internet  Archive_
(http://archive.org/details/phonoscope13hunt)


_Talking Machine World :  Bill, Edward Lyman, 1862-1916 : Free Download 
Streaming : Internet  Archive_
(http://archive.org/details/talkingmachinewo24bill)

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Re: [Phono-L] The Death of Amberola III SN304

[DanKj]

 Was this the one in Spain, for a minimum of $650 + $250 shipping?  That's 
the closest thing I could find, in Completed Items.


I think I have almost the same model - from England, old-style oak cabinet, 
tone-arm with angled reflex bends, and the funny bifurcated horn.
Mine needs its reproducer to be repaired  the spring either rehooked or 
replaced, so I've never heard how well those dual horns work!  I can't 
imagine these are worth even half his starting price.




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Add me to the list.  I just had this happen to me recently on th'Bay with
a guy trying to auction off an oddball Columbia made in the UK that was
one of the in-between hybrids they made of a Viva-Tonal and the older
Grafonolas.

The seller was asking a little too high for the piece so I asked him if he
would consider selling it for slightly less but ONLY IF it did not sell
for his price (or more) during his auction.  I wasn't lowballing him to
end his auction and prevent him from riding out the last second bidding
war he was hoping for.  It was only if it didn't sell.  I was offering him
a safe plan B.

He basically replied that if he couldn't get his price, which was as low
as he would ever go, he would chop it up and sell it for parts and make
more.




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Re: [Phono-L] What?!?

[DanKj]

The underbidders can have my Decca for a lot less than $8500, and mine 
still has its correct soundbox!



- Original Message - 
From: Merle Sprinzen msprin...@gmail.com

To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:36 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] What?!?


For an example of what happens when two naïve bidders just have to have
something, see the bidding on eBay #111013678879.  And there's another
almost identical machine on eBay right now by the same seller with a
buy-it-now price of $350.  But maybe I'm not seeing something that makes
this machine extra special.


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Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc 250 Mystery

[DanKj]

I believe that's because they were waxing both Needle-Type and Diamond 
Discs at the same time,  so could only fit what would go on the shorter 
Lateral sides.





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.   By the way, has  anyone noticed that the later diamond discs tend as a 
rule to have shorter

playing times than earlier issues?


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Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc 250 Mystery

[DanKj]

 It was offered in new DD machines, so it can be called 'genuine', yes.  I 
don't think there's any special indication on the ID tag.  About 1.5 volts 
is needed to operate, and that was originally provided by a tall ignition 
cell -  you could use a couple of D cells in parallel, today.  My 250 has a 
square metal battery bracket in the rear-left corner, behind the horn - I've 
always used cheap 6volt lantern batteries which haven't hurt anything yet 
(25+ years and thousands of plays)



- Original Message - 
From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc 250 Mystery



OK everyone.  Thanks.  Questions:

Was this a genuine Edison option?  and if so...
Should this this accessory be designated in some special way on the ID 
tag?
was the power source-what type of battery?  Should there be a special 
place

below the motorboard to put the battery?


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Re: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc 250 Mystery

[DanKj]

It's the Duncan Automatic Stop !   That phonetip plugs into a little hole 
on the back of the reproducer;  when the limit pin touches the loop, the 
Duncan stops the phono for you.



- Original Message - 
From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:05 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Diamond Disc 250 Mystery



Hello Phonolisters:

Today while I was out looking for records I came across an Edison Diamond
Disc player, model 250 that had several items that I have never seen
before.  Attached to the bottom of the brass portion of the top of the 
horn

just behind the locking ferrule is a small brass pipe that runs down below
the motorboard and contains an electrical wire that starts with a small
phonetip on the upper end and ends in a bare end below the motorboard. 
The

wire is about 18 long.  Also interesting is an electric switch below the
turntable that seems to be part of the stop mechanism.  Other than that,
the machine seems to be an ordinary 250 with a spring motor.  I took two
pictures of the features that I have described above and would be glad to
send them to anyone who asks and who provides me with an email address.

Best Regards,
Green Mountain Bill

--
From The Hubbard House
On the park in Rochester, Vermont
where it's always 1929.
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[Phono-L] Happy Birthday, Thomas Alva

[DanKj]

 He'd be really, really elderly today - 166 -  and without him, we'd all be 
watching TV and using our computers by gaslight.  :)


 A little difficult to find him in the 1850 Census, because he's indexed as 
a female named ALANA !



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Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)

[DanKj]

 Not to mention that it's really easy to trash someone who is 82 years 
beyond defending himself.



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From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)


Fascinating.  I don't recall reading or hearing about his being 
anti-Semitic, but knowing how common that was I wouldn't be surprised. 


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[Phono-L] Found Edison Standard C

[DanKj]

 I bought, before the turn of the century, a phono  never opened the 
boxes!   I pulled the black MG horn out of its huge box, last year,  and 
finally opened the phono's box a couple nights ago.   It is an Edison 
Standard Model C,  with 2/4 kit.The reproducer, crank, gear cover, 
crane's foot, horn chain, lid handle were all missing.  Ugh.


Went up to the attic to check the horn's box, and rummaged through the 
mountain of packing peanuts 4 times before finding a bag with little 
paper-wrapped bundles. Good thing that box got saved!  Models C  H 
reproducers, the crank, the horn's chain, and the lid handle all safe.  No 
crane's foot or gear cover, sadly.


 Is there a special 2/4 gear cover for the C, and how would it differ 
from the others?


Also: the H reproducer looks awfully glittery  new, and is not dyed 
green - also has no serial number.  Is this a modern copy?


Thanks


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Re: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Felt Colors

[DanKj]

 There's a 602 on YooToob, TT  felt visible: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL4n1HyTfq4


- Original Message - 
From: Arvin Casas aca...@spamcop.net

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 3:06 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] 1927/ Viva Tonal Columbia Felt Colors



Hi All

I just picked up a great sounding (and looking) Viva-Tonal 602 this
weekend. The only things not up to spec, IMHO, are two cosmetic repairs
done: its bumper pads and turntable felt.


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[Phono-L] Victor Induction Disc Motors

[DanKj]

 I find that I have 3 variations of the AC Induction Disc motor used in 
Orthophonic Credenzas and other Victrolas:  One is marked 25-40 Cycles per 
second and is in an 8-30X  I bought from a part of Buffalo which had 25Hz 
power until the late 1930s,  another is 60 Cycles per seond which came 
from Ebay (I wanted to have a spare, in case the first one croaked) and the 
latest acquisition is 25-60 Cycles per second, in a 1926 Credenza X.


 They all look identical to me,  but there must be some differences, yes? 


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Re: [Phono-L] Have YOU ever purchased a Crap-O-Phone???

[DanKj]

A Frankenphone (based on a Standard A) yes; crap-o-phone, no.   The 
Frankard A was cheap, and I figured I might need the horn someday.  Still 
waiting for that day.



- Original Message - 


Subject: [Phono-L] Have YOU ever purchased a Crap-O-Phone???

Anyone on the list ever knowingly buy a Crap-O-Phone?  As in...on 
purpose?


Fess up.  :-)


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Re: [Phono-L] Edison 11 panel cygnet horn

[DanKj]

I see a couple of 11-panel cygnets sold recently on ebay;  $268.88 
(damaged - 360485503978 )  and $360  ( 251127968607 )






- Original Message - 
From: Paul Christenzen pic...@gmail.com

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison 11 panel cygnet horn



Care to share with us what it went for?

clockworkh...@aol.com wrote:
They are more scarce since they were made in smaller numbers than the #10 
Cygnet.  This should translate to higher prices with one caveat.  The #11 
was really for the Triumph D2.  You could put it on an E, F, or G Triumph 
if you didn't have the original Music Master Wood Cygnet Horn.  When 
converting an earlier A, B, or C Triumph to 2 and 4 minute operation, the 
#11 was offered as a less expensive horn than the Music Master.  From 
what I have seen, people who upgraded their Triumph went more for the 
Music Master than the #11.


I was recently outbid on a #11 Cygnet that was just on eBay but only by 1 
higher bid.  It went for less than I had figured so I ended up with 
bidders remorse.  I should have bid more aggressively...


Best wishes to all,

Al





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Re: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned Edison Amerola 5?

[DanKj]

 ...and it's just an Amberola 30.  $2300 restored, indeed !

https://www.box.com/s/eea83676297225d500f8

https://www.box.com/s/16e8b32033aafeefd7e2

https://www.box.com/s/8b3c0041cba66779a17f

https://www.box.com/s/20c0ba5df49a4ff74bf8


- Original Message - 
From: George Paul

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned Edison Amerola 5?


Interesting.  The image appears to have been photoshopped with a mechanism 
from an Edison Standard A - reversed!  Who says you can't believe 
advertising?



George P.



-Original Message-
From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned  Edison Amerola 5?



Yes, and here is the link to view it:

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/abandoned/videos/abandoned-sneak-peek/ From: tom...@msn.com To: 
phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 20:08:25 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] TV Show Abandoned  Edison Amerola 
5? I have seen an ad several times on the History Channel for a new showcalled Abandoned.  Apparently these guys go into 
old buildings that have been abandoned for decades and look for treasures. One item that they show in the ad is an Edison 
floor model machine thatthey identify as an Edison Amberola V.  You can clearly see that it has an internal horn, but they 
have imposed a witches hat horn on it as well.They value it at $2,300.00. Has anyone else seen this ad?
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Re: [Phono-L] Yellow Highlighting (was World War I Victrola ad)

[DanKj]

Sticking with the Snob Appeal of Opera, of course.It DID work very well 
for Victor, as proven by the immense number of Red Seals still found in most 
collections today (though they are also obviously hardly played!)  ... 
The Boys getting slaughtered Over There must have wanted to hear Billy 
Murray, Collins  Harlan, Jolson, and surely the latest Dance Hits by the 
Victor Military Band.





- Original Message - 



By the way, I wonder why Victor thought that our troops in the trenches 
wanted to listen to Caruso, Heifetz, Paderewski, etc.  I'm sure that kind of 
music wouldn't be any more popular then than today with our troops.


Jim Nichol


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[Phono-L] Orthophonic grille extraction

[DanKj]

   So, this Credenza X sounds pretty good, but I'd sorta like to look at 
the horn's interior.  I do not want to injure the cloth, which was perfect 
until I tried to move the grill - now there's a little blemish where it 
rubbed against the center of the horn.   My later 8-30's grille came out 
easily through the front, and the Granada needed the doors taken off, but I 
don't see how this can be removed.  If it's going to wreck the cloth, I'll 
leave sleeping horns lie.


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Re: [Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed

[DanKj]

Success!!

 I was already using grease (nasty black stuff, for cars with disc brakes) 
so was disappointed by the use grease! replies - HOWEVER, as 100% of the 
replies were use grease, that had to be the answer.  My grease was not 
sticky enough.  I dug out a little tube of Bulb Grease, unopened for maybe 
15 years, and put some in the bearing race of the arm, AFTER having all the 
parts in the fridge for an hour.  Also turned the a/c up full-blast, and 
tried not to heat the parts with my hands.   That stuff was like almost-dry 
rubber cement - the balls did not move from their groove, and the goo was 
strong enough to hold the steel plate in place while I slipped the assembly 
into its mounting hole  slid the cover on.


Many thanks to youse all!  I promise not to fiddle with the brass 
reproducer - not broken, no fixin'.  Now, I will clean out the sticky bulb 
grease  look into that F-1 hard felt .





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[Phono-L] Victor Tone-Arm assistance needed

[DanKj]

 I took apart the base of an Orthophonic arm (the kind without bracket and 
pivot pin) and am having a frustrating time getting it together again!  I 
just don't see how to get the 5 ball-bearings to stay put while the 3 screws 
are replaced.  Tried holding it upside-down in one hand, but it was 
impossible to keep every part in place.  Also tried assembling right in the 
Victrola, which almost works - until I try to put the black cover on.


 I might have done this with a Granada, long ago, but maybe I looked at how 
it was put together  changed my mind!


 Any suggestions will be received with gratitude.  :)

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Re: [Phono-L] Info on an Edison DD W-250 needed

[DanKj]

It is on page 157 of my Frow ..  The William  Mary was introduced as 
W-250, and later called W-19 .



- Original Message - 
From: Bob Maffit

To: 'Antique Phonograph List'
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:00 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Info on an Edison DD W-250 needed


Phono listers:



I am trying to find info about an Edison DD  player: W-250



Earlier this week I was asked by a friend  antique shop owner about a
phonograph he recently acquired and I agreed to help him by way of copying
the pages from my Frow DD book. .



I can't seem to find it in Frows book as my reader isn't finding a glossary.



Any info on this machine and or what pages can it be found in Frow's book
would be a great help.



Later



Bob

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Re: [Phono-L] Greek Amberol Record Question

[DanKj]

 I believe these were aimed at the USA immigrant population, so I'd bet 
they are even less common in the 'mother countries' .



- Original Message - 
From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Greek Amberol Record Question




Here it is on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTflt7fUze8 The 
foreign series are not very common here in the US, I have seen the Polish 
series on eBay go high, and I have often wondered how common they were in 
the countries they were made for.   Steve

 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org

From: clockworkh...@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 18:17:39 -0400
Subject: [Phono-L] Greek Amberol Record Question


When it comes to records I am a total idiot.  I had a new collector ask 
me about this Blue Amberol:


 blue amberol 11801 Ele Pame Sta Xena by G.N. Helmis

Can anyone shed light on this one?  Is it rare?  He wants to know if it 
is valuable?  Common or not?


Thanks for any help,

Al


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Re: [Phono-L] American restoration. Edison Chippendale restoration

[DanKj]

Ack.  Last time I saw them touch a phono, they soaked the motor in 
industrial de-greaser, never opened the spring case, and did nothing with 
the reproducer.  They didn't even understand that it was run by a spring - 
they said it was a flywheel.  To top it all, the horn got a hideous paint 
job that only a clown could love!






- Original Message - 
From: Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com

To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 11:25 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] American restoration. Edison Chippendale restoration



So I was watching American Restoration tonight and a guy brought in an
Edison C-19 Chippendale phonograph to be restored.
Settled upon price for the restoration, $4,500.00.  Hmmm...



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Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment

[DanKj]

 From this list, 5 years ago: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/phono-l@oldcrank.org/msg04883.html




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Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment

[DanKj]

  Glycerine/alcohol was a trick used by hack piano tuners to tighten loose 
tuning pins, and has been mostly discredited.  Glycerine works by attracting 
mositure from the air, so I would expect it to cause wood to constantly 
expand  contract along with the humidity in the room.   I used linseed/turp 
on a Credenza, over 20 years ago, and the wood still seems fresh and not 
dried-out.  My living room smelled like turpentine for about a year, but it 
wasn't overpowering.




- Original Message - 
From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment


Which do you think is less invasive?  I've always had mixed feelings in 
the use of both linseed oil and turpentine, but am willing to have another 
opinion to change mine...


From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on 
behalf of Rich [rich-m...@octoxol.com]

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:37 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment

Boiled linseed oil and real turpentine will work much better. Verify all
joints are tight first.

On 05/23/2012 01:37 PM, Philip Carli wrote:
One thing I've been meaning to do to my Credenza that I've heard good 
things about is resealing the horn with a 50/50 mixture of glycerine and 
alcohol.  Ideally it involves removing the motorboard and all fittings 
(tone arm etc.) and painting the inside of the horn with the machine 
upside down, then the next day turning it upright and doing the same. 
The alcohol helps the glycerine penetrate the wood and reseal any joinery 
that might have dried out over time, then the alcohol evaporates and 
leaves the wood revivified.  Supposedly it makes for a more forward and 
resonant sound.  Haven't done it yet, but know people who have 
recommended the technique. Philip Carli


From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on 
behalf of William Berndt [bassethoundt...@gmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:53 PM
To: Antique Phonograph List
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Orthophonic Credenza adjustment

In February I purchased a Victor VE8-30X. I really wanted one with a 
spring motor, but when I visited Ron Haring, of the six or so machines he 
had (he has an unbelievable inventory - well worth a visit) one was in 
such fine condition that I caved and bought it.  Having sold my Victor 
VV4-3, I was initially surprised that it didn't sound as good - rather 
dull, and less volume.  First I removed the tonearm, and discovered there 
was no gasket underneath, so I made one out of rubber, which improved the 
sound a bit.  I started using my HMV 5B soundbox which greatly helped the 
higher frequencies, and had been using since, but several people said it 
still sounded thin with less warmth and bass response than it should 
have.  Recently, I read of adjusting the screw on the soundbox balance 
bar, and did so in 1/8 turn increments - wow, what a difference!  After 
an hour or so of turns and tests, I now have dramatically more volume, 
and very nicely balanced with highs like the HMV 5B, b

ut

   with better bass.

Are there any more tweaks I can do?  Ron already replaced the ball 
bearings in the soundbox, and I always use teflon tape on the tonearm end 
for a tight seal.


Many thanks for any suggestions,

Will
Chicago, IL


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Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills cloth question

[DanKj]

My B-80 has a nicely mahogany-grained horn, yet also has the ancient 
remnants of greenish, silk grille cloth.


- Original Message - 
From: Michael F. Khanchalian mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola grills  cloth question



Here's a loose question for you Al or any others.

On the B-60 or C-60 DD machine. I have seen original illustrations with 
grill cloth, yet these have wood grained horns. What's correct here?


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Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?

[DanKj]

This discussion reminded me of a situation here, a few years back:   The 
power company replaced the wires from my house to the pole,  and a few 
months later, I happened to touch the metal pipe through which the wires ran 
to my meter in the cellar.  ZAP!   The pipe had never been attached to the 
meter box or my fuse/breaker box, both of which were grounded (after I 
grounded them - NOTHING was grounded when I moved in here!) ...   Anyway,  I 
called the company to have the thing repaired, as it was obvious that the 
live conductor was touching the pipe at the top.  They sent Vern  Ernest, I 
swear.  Even after I demonstrated the problem by lighting-up a 100W bulb 
between the pipe and a ground, one of the guys grabbed both pieces of metal 
 ZAPPED himself for proof! Oh yeah, that's live.  I guess he was 
accustomed to 120volts AC!




- Original Message - 
From: Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?


 Very true. The question was SAFETY. I hate having 3 wire plugs on antique 
electronics. You can easily put a polarized plug on a piece of zipcord and 
get the ends right and be safe as well. I like the idea of making 
something SAFE without changing the item at all.

-Barry


On 2/17/2012 12:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
Barry, the shock hazard model during HiPot testing development assumes 
all

external metallic surfaces on a product are always at the same potential.
That is why we are only required to test against the product ground 
through

an alligator clamp to the chassis or through the ground terminal of the 3
wire AC input. The shock hazard model we care about is a ground path 
through
the body past the heart. You could be standing on a concrete floor 
barefoot

or touching a cold water pipe with your other arm.

I submit to you that I could connect any ungrounded electrical device
through my isolation transformer, float it up to 1500VAC (the isolation
voltage of my isolation transformer) and invite you to touch it and
depending on your resistance to ground, you will definitely feel it. It 
will
not be much current, and it may not kill you but it will wake you up 
faster

than a few cups of coffee.



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Re: [Phono-L] 12-Inch Button on Edison Disk Machine?

[DanKj]

Twelve-inch discs were recorded in preparation for a new series,  but the 
Long Playing program was decided upon,. instead. 12 masters had been 
recorded as far back as 1910, too. Problems with the gold-sputtering process 
supposedly stopped the early issue of 12inch Edisons,  plus the fact that 
the 10inch discs already played as long as any competing discs.


My Baby Console also has the 10-12 buttons   never occurred to me that 
they were intended for stupid people, though .  I doubt that the average 
person knew or cared what size were his phonograph records, any more than 
most people knew or cared how any machines worked.




- Original Message - 
From: chris...@cox.net

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:32 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] 12-Inch Button on Edison Disk Machine?


A friend has a Laboratory Model diamond disk player.  To the left of the 
platter, along the edge close to the cabinet, are two push buttons -- one 
labeled 10 and the other 12.  Neither of us was aware that there were 
12-inch diamond disks.  Were Edison reproducers available for lateral 
records?  Was this an after-market modification?


Thanks,

Chris


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Re: [Phono-L] Alba Gramphone on American restoration...

[DanKj]

I just sent a note which is in error - this episode IS new.  I swear I saw 
something like it a few months ago, but it wasn't this one.  It is viewable 
online, though (with commercials) .  The finished product is ... well, 
you'll see.



- Original Message - 
From: Graham Newton g...@audio-restoration.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Alba Gramphone on American restoration...



Tom Jordan tom...@msn.com said on Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:59:31...
On the subject: Alba Gramphone on American restoration tonight at 9:00 PM

I just noticed that on American restoration tonight at 9:00 PM CST on the
History Channel that a customer brings in an Alba Gramophone to be 
restored.


Unfortunately I only saw the digest version with Tom's note today, 
Thursday,
which was too late but looking forward, I found the program is repeated 
on:-


History Channel, on Dish Network 120 at 8:30 pm Wed March 2nd.




... Graham Newton


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[Phono-L] Early European Edison Phonograph Recordings Released

[DanKj]

- Original Message - 
From: gerald_fab...@nps.gov

To: theresa_j...@nps.gov
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: [phonolist] Early European Edison Phonograph Recordings Released




Thomas Edison NHP News Release





For Release: Monday January 30, 2012
Contact: Jerry Fabris
Phone: 973-736-0550 x48

Early European Edison Phonograph Recordings Released

  WEST ORANGE, NJ – Today the National Park Service announces the 
first-time release of 12


  historic sound recordings made by Thomas Edison’s recording engineer 
Theo Wangemann on


  wax cylinders during 1889-1890 in Germany, Austria, Prussia, and France. 
The recordings


  include the voices of eminent German historical figures Otto von 
Bismarck and Helmuth


  von Moltke, and several performances by important musicians of the 
period. The sounds


  are available on-line in MP3-format at:


http://www.nps.gov/edis/photosmultimedia/theo-wangemann-1889-1890-european-recordings.ht

  m.



  On Saturday, February 4, 2012 at 12:00 noon, historian Patrick Feaster, 
will present a


  one-hour program about the recordings, titled Theo Wangemann: The Man 
Who Made the


  Phonograph Musical. This presentation will explore the life and career 
of Theo


  Wangemann, who was arguably the world’s first professional recording 
engineer. Also at


  the program, collector Stuart H. Miller, M.D. will exhibit the 
phonograph used by


  Wangemann in Europe during 1889-1890. The program will be held in the 
Laboratory Complex


  at Thomas Edison National Historical Park, 211 Main Street. The entrance 
fee to the park


  is $7.00, children under 16 are free.  Seating is limited and 
reservations are required.


  Reservations can be made by calling 973-736-0550, ext. 89.


  Museum Curators first cataloged the damaged wooden box containing the 
wax cylinders in
  1957, found in the library of the Edison Laboratory.  In 2005, the 
National Park Service
  completed a multi-year project to individually catalog every historic 
sound recording in
  the museum collection. Curators noted that the box contained 17 brown 
wax cylinders in
  fair and poor condition, several broken with large pieces missing.  No 
title list or
  other identification survived in the box with the recordings, so the 
recordings could
  not be identified until they were heard.  In 2011, the park's Curator of 
Sound
  Recordings digitized 12 of Wangemann's 17 cylinders using a French-made 
Archeophone
  cylinder playback machine, saving the audio as Broadcast Wave Format 
files. (Five of the
  cylinders could not be digitized due to their condition.)  Once the 
audio could be
  heard, historians Stephan Puille and Patrick Feaster identified the 
sounds and wrote two
  scholarly essays, which are included with the recordings on the Thomas 
Edison National

  Historical Park website.

  Entrusted by Thomas Edison with the task of applying the newly developed 
wax cylinder
  phonograph to music, Theo Wangemann oversaw the first regular production 
of pre-recorded
  cylinders at the Edison Laboratory in West Orange, New Jersey in 
1888-89, ushering in
  the beginnings of the American musical recording industry.  Then, in 
1889-90, Wangemann
  played a prominent role in introducing Edison’s invention to continental 
Europe.



  ---

  Stephan Puille is a conservator of archaeological finds and technical 
employee at the
  Hochschule für Technik und Wirtschaft Berlin (HTW Berlin) - University 
of Applied
  Sciences.  For more than ten years he studies the history of sound 
recording from the
  beginning up to 1914, holds lectures and writes articles on the subject. 
In addition, he
  is a phonograph and phonogram collector who concentrates on early and 
historically
  significant items. Contact: Stephan Puille, Hochschule für Technik und 
Wirtschaft

  Berlin, Wilhelminenhofstraße 75A, 12459 Berlin, Germany.  E-mail:
  stephan.pui...@htw-berlin.de

  Patrick Feaster (pfeas...@gmail.com, 812-331-0047) is a researcher and 
educator
  specializing in the history and culture of sound media.  A co-founder of 
FirstSounds.org
  and two-time Grammy nominee, he received his doctorate in Folklore and 
Ethnomusicology
  in 2007 from Indiana University Bloomington, where he is currently a 
lecturer in the
  Department of Communication and Culture, a member of the Media 
Preservation Initiative,

  and an instructor for the School of Continuing Studies.

  Thomas Edison National Historical Park is a National Park Service site 
dedicated to
  promoting an international understanding and appreciation of the life 
and extraordinary
  achievements of Thomas Alva Edison by preserving, protecting, and 
interpreting the
  Park’s extensive historic artifact and archive collections at the Edison 
Laboratory
  Complex and Glenmont, the Edison family estate.  The Visitor Center is 
located at 211
  Main Street in West Orange, New Jersey.  The Laboratory 

Re: [Phono-L] Reason for my interest in Bohumir Kryl

[DanKj]

There's a YouTube file of CLEOPATRA POLKA,  by Kryl on a 1918 Edison 
recording - it gives a faint idea of the power this recording has when 
played on a restored Edison Disc phonograph.   My family and neighbors have 
thought a cornet was being played LIVE in my house !   Kryl was a great 
artist.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_QJ4PPVcO4




- Original Message - 
From: Tim McCormick d...@themccormicks.com

To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Reason for my interest in Bohumir Kryl



Cindy,

Prior to my awakening of Kryl, I had a couple of recordings that I
didn't pay any attention to.  Then I discovered his connection to my home
town of Crawfordsville, Indiana, listened to his records in earnest, and
discovered his genius.  My collection of Kryl recordings is growing.  I am
encouraging Richard Martin and Meagan Hennessey of Archeophone Records [
http://www.archeophone.com  ] to digitize my collection and that of others
to produce a Bohumir Kryl Special Edition CD ( They are the perfect choice
to create the compilation ).  I highly recommend that everyone send them 
an
E-Mail asking to purchase their upcoming Bohumir Kryl CD - and mean it. 
He
is one of the most remarkable performers I have ever heard, and I come 
from
an IU School of Music background.  I am hard pressed to find anyone to 
match
his virtuosity in the upcoming Bohumir Kryl Project performance.   (See 
the

October / November In The Groove Magazine for details)

Thanks,

Tim

Tim McCormick, President
Michigan Antique Phonograph Society
presid...@maps-itg.org
www.MAPS-ITG.orgwww.IAPS-ITG.org
Visit us on FaceBook


From: Chuck  Cindy Leonard [mailto:leona...@madisontelco.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:05 PM
To: d...@themccormicks.com
Subject: [Phono-L] Reason for my interest in Bohumir Kryl

Tim

I don't know if you were able to add to your collection of Bohumir Kryl. 
I
had never even heard of him before today as I am cleaning out old items 
from
a relative's home.  Tucked away in a box probably since the 1930s is 
Edison
Blue Amberol Record # 2054 which I notice you have in your collection. 
Tell
me, do you have any CD recordings of his works?  I would sure be 
interested

in hearing his work.

Cindy Leonard


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Re: [Phono-L] Nutcracker Suite

[DanKj]

Ah, but they are the work of Syracuse U, so they'd hafta get the dollars and 
the credit!   129 downloads, as of Midnight.


- Original Message - 
From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Nutcracker Suite



Let's see... if you charged each of us downloaders a dollar... Anyway, the 
Nutcracker songs are really nice!

Jim Nichol

On Dec 17, 2011, at 4:19 PM, DanKj wrote:

I'm pleased to report that this is the most popular thing I've ever posted to the Box site;  every few minutes, I get 
another notice that it has been downloaded!




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Re: [Phono-L] Nutcracker Suite

[DanKj]

I'm pleased to report that this is the most popular thing I've ever posted to the Box site;  every few minutes, I get 
another notice that it has been downloaded!



- Original Message - 
From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Nutcracker Suite


Nice to hear your good opinion of the Befer transfers; they're done by my friend Bob Hodge, their chief engineer, who's 
very particular and works like blazes trueing things up on their Archeophone (as much as the management's time frame and 
the cylinders themselves will allow him to be - I've worked with him on cylinder projects, and some BA's just won't 
completely true).  He also transfers at 1/2 speed for steadiness, then doubles for finishing.  I'll pass along the good 
word; he's a superb technician with great ears who doesn't receive enough positive feedback, and your thoughts will 
cheer him considerably.


The DD _Nutcracker_ stayed in the catalogue until at least 1926, if not till the end, as they're in the 1925 catalogue; I 
have a paper label copy of the first disc and a quiet late etched copy of the second.  The committee at West Orange which 
passed on DDs made some strange decisions which affected couplings and completeness (especially later on), but at least 
Sodero was the only Edison staffer who was given carte blanche as to repertoire selection. (One coupling was undoubtedly 
done for economic and logistical reasons; Sodero's 1916 ASO Henry VIII Dances by Edward German are given complete, but 
nos. 1  3, the most heavily orchestrated, are one side, and the lightly scored pastoral no. 2 on the other. )  Sodero was 
often a brisker conductor than his successor Irwin Schloss, who did the electrical Grieg and most electrical Edison 
orchestrals.  Carlo Peroni also conducted a few electrical DD's, and his are excellent - the other Xmas Edison we play is 
his 1928 Dream Pantomi
me from _Hansel  Gretel_ coupled with the Pastoral Symphony from _The Messiah_.  I have 4 of the 5 London Edison NMB 
_Nutcracker_ cylinders myself, and enjoy them as well; in case you're wondering, they're conducted by George W. Byng, the 
London studio's music director.


A very merry Christmas to you! P. Carli

From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of 
Dan Kj [ediso...@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:10 AM
To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Antique Phonograph List
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Nutcracker Suite

 I have the 2 Edison discs, but they are rather noisy pressings;  it would
be nice to find later paper-label pressings - if they were in the catalogue
long enough.   I recently bought (and overpaid, but I didn't know)  an
electric Edison of the Peer Gynt Suite, and although 2 discography sources
showed it to be similar to the acoustic Edison with 2 parts on each side, it
actually has just Morning and Ase's Death played so slowly and
lugubriously that they almost fill each side!They did something similar
a couple of years earlier,  with Victor Herbert's Suite of Serenades - even
though all 4 parts would easily fit on 2 Edison sides, only 2 parts were
recorded with a lot of wasted blank space.

 Back to the Nutcracker:  5 decent Edison cylinders from the London branch.
Although played by the National Military Band,  the harp part was wisely
retained in Waltz of the Flowers.  My copy of Flowers looks new, but has a
waver that makes the harp unpleasant to hear;  the Syracuse University
Belfer Lab people have overcome most wavering on most of their transfers, so
this is quite enjoyable.All in one zipped folder, for your convenience:
http://www.box.com/s/xjg5yibnpno8sygv561y

Do check the Belfer site - the transfers are excellent, and you are allowed
to download all of them.  No telling when anything on the Internet might
disappear, so save save save.

http://library.syr.edu/splash/cylinders/




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[Phono-L] The Papers of Thomas A. Edison, Volume 7

[DanKj]

Somehow I missed the announcement of this new volume, back in July.  Just ordered it via Amazon (but not FROM Amazon!) for 
$68.75 including postage.  This series is turning out to be a sort of lifetime countdown,  like the passing of my pets over 
the years;  I was young when Volume 1 came out in 1989 !




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Re: [Phono-L] Cylinder Box Cleaning Method -

[DanKj]

I'm wondering how to get the linings out of the boxes without shredding them,  and how to re-insert them after they are 
clean ...




- Original Message - 
From: Anthony J. Caruso i...@capitoline-wi.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cylinder Box Cleaning Method -



Steve - I have an associate in the mold/water/fire/asbestos mitigation
business where this little test will be conducted.  He has equipment
necessary for testing for spores.





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Re: [Phono-L] Kurtzmann items wanted

[DanKj]

You want a picture of the factory on Niagara Street, Buffalo?  Some of it still stands, now used as apartments for the 
income-challenged.




- Original Message - 
From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:31 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Kurtzmann items wanted


Looking for any Kurtzmann phonograph objects or ephemera -- dusters, needle tins, catalogs, brochures, etc., and for any 
Kurtzmann phonographs other than the 'Studio' model (I have an example of that model).  Thanks!

John


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Re: [Phono-L] Record of THORA wanted

[DanKj]

 Only have Peter Dawson on an Edison cylinder  



- Original Message - 
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To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:45 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Record of THORA wanted




 Does anyone have a 78 record of the song Thora available? John 
McCormack made an acoustic, Richard Crooks and Paul Robeson both 
recorded it much later, probably others. It's a rich and over-ripe 
sentimental song.


 Eric Stott


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Re: [Phono-L] Is this a children's phonograph??

[DanKj]

Ah ah!  I KNEW the old metal file cabinets at my employer's place looked familiar for a reason.  They have the same finish, 
and were made by Art-Metal !



- Original Message - 
From: Robin  Joan Rolfs nip...@dataex.com


This metal phonograph had a faux mahogany finish.  The metal cabinet was made by the Art-Metal Co., Jamestown, NY. 


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Re: [Phono-L] what is this?

[DanKj]

I thought it was a lateral disc cutter, because of the pivot.  Always thought hill  dale recorders had the cutting point 
mounted directly on the diaphragm



- Original Message - 
From: Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] what is this?


I thought I was among seasoned old timy collectors who knew everything, about everything! This. Is an Edison/ Walter Miller 
factory recording head, for studio use to make master cylinder recordings, the knob is the advance ball adjustment.   This 
device should ONLY be in the hands of someone that is adept at, and intends, to use it for the purpose so stated, has the 
knowlwdge to build the special carrage to use it. It would be a shameful, for this part  to be purchased someone who puts 
it away, never restores it , does not intend to use it, that. Would be a waste! I know how to restore it and use it, does 
anyone else? I had a collector tell me he had a whole Edison studio lathe, and. He put it away in some barn, and I offered 
to teach him how to use it ect, and he said heWould leave it where it was and did not want to sell it.  Oh how frustrating! 
Page 45 of the new In The Groove has this device in place, it also can be used to record Diamond Disc masters, as well. 
What I w
ant to know is how this is in public hands? This should be at the T.E. Historical Park, perhaps the guy who stole the 
signatures, stole this too?


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Re: [Phono-L] Desperately Seeking Cylinder

[DanKj]

Was 10185  made of the brittle Amberol wax?  A copy in Nauck's latest 
auction had long light hairline cracks.


Download a decent transfer for free: 
http://cylinders.library.ucsb.edu/mp3s/3000/3626/cusb-cyl3626d.mp3





- Original Message - 
From: bruce78...@comcast.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Desperately Seeking Cylinder



have you considered sending it to the Cylinder Doctor??
- Original Message - 
From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 10:31:59 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Desperately Seeking Cylinder

Hello all
Sadly, I cracked one of my favorite cylinders tonight, and I am hoping 
someone can help me find a replacement. It is Edison 2 minute number 10185 
The Market on Saturday Night sung by Ada Jones. Any help would be highly 
appreciated.

Thanks
John Robles


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Re: [Phono-L] Magnetic Pickup Repair/Restoraion

[DanKj]

The Magnavox Frankenphone, just discussed here, appears to have the exact part you needed.  The whole assembly of 
soundbox, arm, base, and bracket, in fact.  Only $1000+ !


- Original Message - 
From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net

To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Magnetic Pickup Repair/Restoraion



Ron:Steve:

Thanks to you and others on the list, with helping me get my cast bracket
part for my VV 2-40 last week. I got them from Ron Sitko as you recommended.

It works well.

Again, thanks

Bob


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[Phono-L] Edison drops a title

[DanKj]

I was playing some cylinders (bought at a show, and sitting ever since in the brown grocery bags I used to pack them) and 
came across one which struck me as familiar.  The Jass One-Step, by Eugene Jaudas' orchestra on Edison BA 3228.  'Hmm... 
why do I know this tune?  Nobody else recorded such a title ... wait a second.'  I search for Jaudas online  (there is 
little to nothing about him, btw) and hit the same record on online ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVuZXjOk42g ) .  Then I 
remember:  I have this on a smallish hill  dale disc ... it's HONG KONG !


 Somewhere between it being rejected for disc but approved for cylinder, then prepared for manufacture, somebody mistook 
the description Jazz One-Step or Jass One-Step for its title , and dropped HONG KONG completely.  I submitted a comment 
to that effect, on the ootoob page. I wonder if this has happened with other tunes, being issued with wrong title (or no 
title really, in this case) and not pulled off the shelves.



ps - the 1910 Census had him listed as Judas, but got his father (I assume) correct as Jaudas. I submitted a correction. 
128 East 86th St, 40 years old in 1910, born in New York, parents born in Germany and arrived in USA 1863. Married 4 years, 
no children. Aunt  Mother-in-Law living with them (that must have been fun) , parents in the next apartment in same 
building.  Occupation: Musician. Industry: Phonograph.   Out of work in 1909: Zero days.


Interesting that his parents were still working at age 71: dad for the NYC Police Dept, mom a professional midwife. 


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Re: [Phono-L] Pathe Pix

[DanKj]

A handsome piece of furniture, but not the cabinet I was thinking about.  I put your pics and one of the Gothic Actuelle 
in this folder:  http://www.box.net/shared/5s02pe4pe0



- Original Message - 
From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:39 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Pathe Pix



I'll send pictures to your personal email address, Dan - I don't know how to 
post them to the list.

Kurt Nauck


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[Phono-L] Edison 2min Mexican cylinders

[DanKj]

I bid, for the heckuvvit, on some 2minute Mexican Edisons, made of Blue Amberol celluloid - and was outbid by factors of 9+ 
... I had no idea they would sell for up to $189 each.  Several in the regular Mexican 22000 series went for quite a lot, 
too.  Vocals in Spanish seem to sell for more than instrumentals (those, I have - no real interest in foreign-language 
singing, here) , if I am assuming correctly. 


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Re: [Phono-L] Pathe

[DanKj]

Check Guido's other items - there is a Diffusor in a portable case.  I have a very plain table model with an identical 
cone, but mine hardly makes any noise at all.  I used to think somebody had coated the cone with shellac, making it too 
heavy to respond properly, but this cone looks exactly like mine. There must be something else wrong with mine.


I forget where mine came from, but the person who shipped it was very clever - he bought a big Tupperware-type bowl  
packed the cone assembly in it!  I still use it (the bowl, not the phono) for popcorn.



- Original Message - 
From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe


Looks like a wood horn to me. Interesting machine! Guido always has good stuff.
John

--- On Sun, 3/13/11, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sunday, March 13, 2011, 12:14 PM

Don't think that is a diffusor cone. Looks to be a spun metal horn that is 
being fed from the tone-arm.


From: vinyl.visi...@live.com
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:18:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe


Here is a similar Radior phonograph which plays all 78's:
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-RADIOR-COMBINATON-PHONOGRAPH-PATHE-/270715897124?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f07ecc524


 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:15:41 -0800
 From: john9...@pacbell.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe

 I had a chance to get this little Pathe inside horn machine, cabinet needed a little tightening, and it was only $65. 
 But I got the feeling that the guy didn't want to ship it because he asked if I would pick it up. I said I would need it 
 shipped, so he got the price for me, and I said ok. Then he said, well, someone else was going to pick it up, so I need 
 to see if they want to do that. He asked, and they did. I was not happy..

 J

 --- On Sat, 3/12/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote:

 From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com
 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 5:06 PM


 John,


 What you really need is the little Pathe tabletop machine - I am not sure what model - that has what looks like an 
 external horn sticking out of the front just below the turntable. It kind of reminds you of an old fashioned wood box 
 coffee grinder - taller than it is wide. That is a great looking machine and very unusual.



 I'm with you, I appreciate all phonographs, but am not a big fan of large floor models. That being said, there is one 
 other external horn Pathe that I would love - it is a large floor model machine probably used in public venues - I think 
 coin op - that has a very large horn on a long neck - it looks like it could be six feet tall. Again, I am not sure of 
 the model, but it is probably a very expensive machine. I really like Pathe's - they seem to have a Rube Goldberg 
 essence about them...




 Curt

  Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:02:46 -0800
  From: john9...@pacbell.net
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Pathe
 
  Hi Kurt
  To make room I'd have to sell something and there's nothing I want to sell right now! Besides which I am not much for 
  upright machines.

  Thanks
  John
 
  --- On Sat, 3/12/11, Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com wrote:
 
  From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com
  Subject: [Phono-L] Pathe
  To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
  Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 1:20 PM
 
  Yes, diffuser - that's the word. A very interesting contraption - especially the way the whole assembly rotates in 
  order to switch from vertical to lateral. And surprisingly good sounding as well.

 
  Of course, I could deliver it to you on my way to ARSC in May, John. That would give you plenty of time to clear out a 
  spot for it!

 
  Kurt Nauck
  c/o Nauck's Vintage Records
  22004 Sherrod Ln.
  Spring, TX 77389


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Re: [Phono-L] Pathe

[DanKj]

  Might you have photos of this machine, to share with us ?  I have a plain version of the Actuelle, but would like to see 
your Gothic version.  I suspect that it's very similar or identical to the Edison Small Gothic and Columbia versions, and 
most likely out of the same furniture factory.  I recently saw an Edison Large Gothic in an antique store, but it turned 
out to be an absolutely identical non-phonograph hutch, with shelves for plates  silverware.  They wanted the original 
price, too - $6000 !



ps - I'm due to make a trip to fetch an Actuelle, same model as mine, which was sold when Pathe dropped their machine line - 
it was made into an Operaphone, with papier-mache horn and generic (probably Heineman) tone arm. I'll need to find an 
appropriate arm  reproducer, as they have been lost.





- Original Message - 
From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 4:20 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Pathe



Yes, diffuser - that's the word. A very interesting contraption -
especially the way the whole assembly rotates in order to switch from
vertical to lateral. And surprisingly good sounding as well.

Of course, I could deliver it to you on my way to ARSC in May, John.
That would give you plenty of time to clear out a spot for it!

Kurt Nauck


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Re: [Phono-L] Tone arm cast mount for Victor VV 2-40 needed( Norm Smithcontact info)

[DanKj]

Janyne  Norm Smith,  http://www.wwindups.com/   or  wwind...@aol.com  


They say that the casting business has been sold to Justin Shaub at  
www.JASAntiques.com
and that you can still buy their horn business ! 






- Original Message - 
From: Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net

To: 'Antique Phonograph List' phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:14 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Tone arm cast mount for Victor VV 2-40 needed( Norm 
Smithcontact info)



Phono Listers:



Does anyone on this list have the contact information for the Smiths, who
previously made the reproduction cast tone arm pivot mounts for some of the
Victor machines? In the event they no longer do so, any other sources for
the cast mounts?



I may have the wrong name for the part however, it is the cast mount at the
rear of the tone arm,  which the tone arm fits into and rotates with a pin
in the top of the mount, fastened by a small set screw in the cast piece
,set in the top of the tone arm.



I need 2 cast mounts for the tone arm on a VV 2-40 portable suitcase model.



Later



Bob


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Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget....

[DanKj]

There are definitely 2 'takes' issued:  Edison says This is, uh, Edison speaking.. on Take A,  and This is Edison 
speaking... on Take B.   .  The usual Edison studio band (New York Military) recorded the SSB at least twice on Disc, so 
one of those must have been used to dub the cylinder.


Recorded Dec 30, 1918 in NYC.  I was thinking that West Orange would've been easier for Edison, but perhaps the only Disc 
recorders were in the NYC studio,  the West Orange experimental recordings (with the huge horns) being a few years in the 
future.




- Original Message - 
From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com

To: Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget




Those are great questions -- I'd love to know as well.



To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
From: out...@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:54:46 -0500
Subject: [Phono-L] Let us not forget




I would be interested in any information on the Let Us Not Forget records--both Diamond Disc and cylinder.  I recently 
picked up a nice Blue Amberol long version with the Star Spangled Banner-- and have two DD's.

Are there different 'takes' or pressings of these records?  When was the speech 
actually recorded?

Both my DD's are etched, but did it also come in a paper label version?  Was 
there a special sleeve to go along with it?

On the cylinder, what band is playing the National Anthem? and again, were 
there different versions?

I know someone has researched this-- I'd love to know.
Thanks-
Brad


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[Phono-L] Argosy reproducer

[DanKj]

  I bought a 2/4 Columbia machine some years ago, which had a Dictaphone reproducer in the carriage and a surprise Argosy 
hiding inside the cabinet.   While it works okay, it's such a close copy of a Columbia Lyric that I see no reason to want 
the Argosy, aside from the collectors who must have 'one of everything'.  For playing celluloid cylinders, I much prefer an 
Edison machine with a Diamond B on a large-eyed carriage, or the Edison R on small-eyed carriages.



- Original Message - 
From: Brad abell out...@aol.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:15 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] (no subject)




Phono friends-   I continue to learn much about this hobby.  I have just listed (actually relisted) on Ebay a reproducer 
that I thought was a Columbia off-shoot--perhaps even dictaphone. Some extremely helpful collectors have identified it as 
a German Argosy reproducer-- so, it is relisted with that information.  I'd appreciate it if you would take a look and if 
anyone can shed further light on the machine it would be used on, or the company that made it, I would love to hear more. 
Item # is 220743452676.

Thanks-
Brad


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Re: [Phono-L] Argosy reproducer

[DanKj]

Sorry - My first message reads like a wet blanket. I did not mean to say that an Argosy wasn't desirable, just maybe not 
something I'd lust-after.



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Re: [Phono-L] Horn connector for playing an iPod through a cylinder machine

[DanKj]

My hi fi system includes a late '20s University radio driver which must weigh 10 pounds, attached to a formerly 
oak-grained 10-panel Cygnet horn.
For portable use, I have an mp3 player rubber-banded to a set of cheapo amplified speakers, which works remarkably well  
fits in the breast pocket of my jackets.  I've given several as gifts and recommend them highly . 
http://tinyurl.com/4eq54zh






- Original Message - 
From: Leroy Barco leroyba...@abq.com

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:43 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Horn connector for playing an iPod through a cylinder machine


I followed vinyl vision's idea for iPod into machine. I just taped the
speaker on the turnback crook of my Credenza.

It sounds great! Can't see using any other internal horn machine,
except for a fun novelty.
I'll probably find a ruined ortho reproducer to put the speaker on so
I can switch to authentic needle playing.

But it would be a hoot to head out to the beach with the speaker and
iPhone attached to a cygnet horn… tuned to a heavy metal station,
maybe! grin

LeRoy

For $11 and a donor no-name reproducer, you can make one yourself.
Remove the old diaphragm and needle bar and JB Weld this to the
reproducer and Voila A Victor MP3 player.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Veho-Portable-Speaker-for-iPod-iPhone-MP3-VSS001360/14066650

Better yet, don't use a reproducer, just a repro replacement rubber
adapter for a Victor...

On Monday, February 14, 2011, D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi wrote:

Interesting idea. If the price is low we'd get one just for the novelty and 
future place in the library.

Darren










On 15 feb 2011, at 07.32, Vinyl Visions wrote:



Hi Guys,


I need your input to see if this is a viable idea. I made a Tizit for my Edison that allows me to play my iPod or other 
audio source through my Cygnet horn. It really sounds great and you can play not only Edison mp3's but ANY genre of 
music. I don't need any more electronic speakers in my house or docking stations, so I thought why not use what I like to 
look at? Most of us have a cylinder player or two of some type.



It's great when you want to listen to some favorites, but don't want to crank and change cylinders. No mods to the 
machine are necessary and when you want to go back to original operation, just remove the Tizit and replace it with the 
original. Is this a viable idea? If so, what price range?


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Re: [Phono-L] A couple of cylinder questions

[DanKj]

28028 was listed in a batch of Blue Amberols offered for sale,  and both song titles are correct, so it could not have been 
an error.





- Original Message - 
From: D P Ingram dar...@ingram.fi
To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org; Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List 
arscl...@listserv.loc.gov

Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 7:51 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] A couple of cylinder questions


Hi...

Does anyone have any information to confirm whether the following Edison Blue Amberols have been released ? I've checked 
several of our reference books and UCSB to no avail, but from /somewhere/ we had got a claim the following /were released/ 
(to put them on our needed list but now we cannot substantiate they were existing (a couple of other reference works are 
en route by sea with a lot of other parcels).


ED4BA 28028
Only one google entry found, so could be a typing error ?
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/edison-amberol-records-set-1


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Re: [Phono-L] Ed cyl 8999?

[DanKj]

Just the band, all the way through 



- Original Message -  


--
Thank you. Is there a banjo playing (at all) on this cyl?

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Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph

[DanKj]

Yes, I keep his listings on my Favorites list, because he always has 
interesting stuff with clear, numerous pics !
Eebae is great for collecting pics of things phonographic.  I just need to resist the urge to bid for the heckuvvit, because 
too many times I've been surprised  won something I didn't REALLY need (the $118 perfect Thinkpad and yet another disc 
'Standard A' come to mind... )





- Original Message - 
From: Tim Gray timsanti...@northstate.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph



Wow!  At least I know it was a honest auction. I have bought a couple of
nice machines from the seller. I live 30 minutes from him and picked them
up. He allowed me to see some of his other machines and big radio
collection. his items are always very nice and they bring better than
average prices. 


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Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph

[DanKj]

hmm ... His namesake was the author of Peter Pan ! 



- Original Message - 
From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] $6100.01 Edison Standard Phonograph


I just looked at firebottles feedback and see that sirjamesbarrie bought the 
Edison, plus many other over-priced items. I don't know exactly who 
sirjamesbarrie is, but clicking his feedback shows a photo.

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[Phono-L] Charleston by Whiteman's O

[DanKj]

The same voice made a four syllable reappearance on Charlestonette, 4 months 
later. I assume he was a band member.

Here's Charleston, take 5, which has no vocal effects.  There are a couple of overmodulated moments, so maybe that's why 
this take wasn't used.


http://www.box.net/shared/m8niz5c5ml



- Original Message - 
From: john9...@pacbell.net




Yeah that is actually funny!
-Original Message-
From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com

Personally, I never liked the Whiteman version because of the lame try at
scat singing.  I understand that there is a Whiteman version without vocal,
but I have never heard it.

Grnmountain Bill

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:38 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote:


I still have a copy of the Whiteman version but I am not that impressed by
it. I might sell it too.


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Re: [Phono-L] Charleston by Whiteman's O

[DanKj]

- Original Message - 
From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com


Thank you very much for the chance to hear the non-vocal version.  What is
the source of that recording?  Did Victor release this alternate take under
the same catalog number?


The non-vocal take of Charleston is on the CD -- 20th CENTURY 
TIME CAPSULE, BMG/Buddha 74465996332, issued in 1999

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Re: [Phono-L] Victor R

[DanKj]

A friend once proudly showed me ALL the hinges, doorknobs, faceplates, latches, etc etc from all the doors, windows, and 
even lights, switches, and outlet plates of his 1900 house and how he cleverly buffed off every bit of the tarnish, 
right down to bare steel or brass.  The steel parts were already starting to rust, before reinstallation.  I think he ended 
up painting it all black.



- Original Message - 
From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor R



It is not a hard finish to replicate and can be fun to do.
Mike

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:00 PM, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote:


Steve Farmer can replicate that finish.

 From: kb...@charter.net
 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
 Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:42:55 -0600
 Subject: [Phono-L] Victor R

 Jeff,



 The orange based stripper works well.  Just try it in a small area under
the
 turntable first.  It's good to hear that there are still some good finds
out
 there.



 The tone arm on my Victor Rigid arm R has been buffed by a previous owner
 that took off most of the nice oxidized finish.  The finish behind the
swing
 arm and on the reproducer is fine.  My question for everyone on Phono-L
is:
 Is it hard to redo the oxidized finish on a part like this?  Or, is there
 someone that can be recommended to do this type of work?



 Thanks,

 Ken B.

 Wisconsin


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Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman

[DanKj]

It's the white marble fireplace mantel - the pillows are probably hiding a black iron grate .  His building must have been 
at least 40 years old, when this was taken.



- Original Message - 
From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman


The tiing in the background looks like, possibly. an upright piano with a bedspread over it. Kaufman looked too young in 
that picture to have been taken at his death. A google search will give you a very good picture of him at the height of 
his career.


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Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman

[DanKj]

ps - If you search on that page for Kaufman,  you should get 3 more Irving 
pics, 2 of which in the same room.


- Original Message - 
From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman


It's the white marble fireplace mantel - the pillows are probably hiding a black iron grate .  His building must have been 
at least 40 years old, when this was taken.



- Original Message - 
From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman


The thing in the background looks like, possibly. an upright piano with a bedspread over it. Kaufman looked too young in 
that picture to have been taken at his death. A google search will give you a very good picture of him at the height of 
his career.




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Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Where to buy Grill Cloth

[DanKj]

 Pattern 60 was for the RCA 100 speaker, and has been replaced by 'new, 
improved' Pattern 80.  http://www.grillecloth.com/pages/new.php





- Original Message - 
From: bruce78...@comcast.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Where to buy Grill Cloth


I believe you are referring to pattern #60, but it appears that one has 
been discontinued, because I cannot find it in any of his price lists. 
Unless you were referring to a different one.


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Re: [Phono-L] Arthur Fields

[DanKj]

They didn't miss any meals!

This is from the Bain Collection at the LOC; you can search for more Fields and 
other NYC-centric images at:

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/ggbain/

including this image of a positively slender Paul Whiteman:

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/ggbain/32600/32637v.jpg

Must be from the time he was depressed  worried sick about his band being a success - Paul said he lost 100 pounds in 3 
months.




- Original Message - 
From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:22 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Arther Fields



This is link is to Shorpy. A great site. A picture of Arther Fields and his
family washing their Stutz in 1919.
http://www.shorpy.com/node/2373

Mike
oldcranky


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[Phono-L] Thomas Chalmers

[DanKj]

Thomas Chalmers (Edison's favorite singer, I think) checking some music (The Bells of St. Mary's ? ) 


http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c0/3c04000/3c04000/3c04084v.jpg


- Original Message - 
From: bruce78...@comcast.net

To: Phono-L Phono-L@oldcrank.org
Cc: Phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: [phonolist] Irving Kaufman


http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.27824/?co=ggbain 

Here is Irving Kaufman taking a snooze. 



Bruce 
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Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman

[DanKj]

 I looked at that photo this afternoon, and nothing.  Just now?  I looked again, realized he was yawning, and it made ME 
yawn!  Catchy things, those yawns.



- Original Message - 
From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Irving Kaufman


Plus, Irving Kaufman didn't die til January 1976. This pic is much earlier.
John Robles


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Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time,

[DanKj]

I thought some shady roofers entered my attic and stole my grandfather's home-built speaker cabinet (with expensive 15 
hi-fi speaker) about 12 years ago.  I hauled many boxes of Xmas decor down, last week . and there's the speaker, tucked 
underneath a sewing machine cabinet  surrounded by boxes.   Also found an Edison Standard, matching horn, and cylinders in 
2 unopened cartons!  No idea why I shoved them into storage without checking inside, first.




- Original Message - 
From: Kurt Nauck na...@78rpm.com



I would say this re. missing items. It can be very easy to assume a person took something when they've been visiting and an 
important item is missing. But invariably, I've found that things have a way of reappearing.


I once lost a couple of 5 Berliners. (Fortunately, no one had been visiting at the time!) Years later they turned up in a 
box of 45s and small kiddie records. Nice surprise.


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Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time,

[DanKj]

Well, find wasn't quite accurate - I should have said rediscovered a Standard that I paid for, 10 years ago .  Good 
thing the seller was honest - he/she (I forget) could have sent bricks and I wouldn't have known until now!  Also knew how 
to protect a horn - it was very carefully packed and has nary a dent.



- Original Message - 
From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net



Wow, what a nice surprise! Wish I could find a Standard in my attic...

--- On Sun, 12/12/10, DanKj ediso...@verizon.net wrote:

From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net
 Also found an Edison Standard, matching horn, and cylinders in 2 unopened cartons! No idea why I shoved them into 
storage without checking inside, first.



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Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time,

[DanKj]

Going through boxes of records which haven't been seen since buying them is just like Christmas morning!   I have this? 
ooo, and this? wow, and these! 
Discovering that I already had a record, but forgot  paid good money for another copy - not as much fun as Xmas ... it's 
more like Tax Return day.



- Original Message - 
From: john9...@pacbell.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time,



I understood. But finding a long laid away phono is like finding a new one :-)
John
-Original Message-
From: DanKj ediso...@verizon.net
Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 22:41:33
To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org
Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time,

Well, find wasn't quite accurate - I should have said rediscovered a Standard 
that I paid for, 10 years ago .  Good
thing the seller was honest - he/she (I forget) could have sent bricks and I 
wouldn't have known until now!  Also knew how
to protect a horn - it was very carefully packed and has nary a dent.
\ 


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[Phono-L] Common subjects, arcane subjects

[DanKj]

Probably because most of us have seen or encountered crapo-franken-phones, while extremely few of us either own or use rare 
things such as a Class M or antique batteries.  It's quite interesting to read about blank cylinders being made,  but it's 
difficult to contribute to the discussion without personal experience.



- Original Message - 
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 7:55 PM

Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196


I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to 
mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal 
amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses 


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Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring

[DanKj]

cue Rod Serling:Letters from the edge of ... the Twilight Zhone !  

- Original Message - 
From: john9...@pacbell.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring



Jean-Charles-
Who are you trying to communicate with??? If you have a problem with a 
seller on this board you need to take it up with them privately and off 
the public list.

John Robles
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com
Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:42:23
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring


hello,i made up my mind now that evry it clear,i guest i wont buy any of 
your products,PS.dont send me any of dose gramophones i whont accept any 
of them so every that is clear for you,forget about evrey thing once again 
i dont whant to order any of your product.


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Re: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records

[DanKj]

Just happened to see the VICSONIA in a 1918 Sears catalogue:  $4.50 for 
nickel, $5.40 for gold .


- Original Message - 
From: Alan Wohl bubb...@optonline.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records



Here is what you want.  THis one is sold though.


http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vicsonia-reproducer-for-victor-victrola-machines-w



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Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record

[DanKj]

I have (someplace) the Zonophone Coronation Record, which has 3 interwoven 
(intersticed? intercut?) tracks on each side. Its label is at the bottom of 
this page:

 http://78-records.com/78s-labels-zonophone.htm


- Original Message - 
From: bruce78...@comcast.net

To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhZQpFKLuEE

Here is a real early one from 1901. The Fortune Telling record, one song 
and two Fortunes.


Bruce
- Original Message - 
From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:06:04 AM
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record



I'm hoping that someone on the list might have some info on Victor Puzzle 
Records. I picked one up the other day titled: The Conundrum - What 
Should I Play Next?. Anyone know how many of these were made or how 
scarce they might be? I have only seen two of these - the one that I 
bought and another by Jimmie Rodgers. Were these a demo of the then 
current technology, or were they made for some other purpose? The 
selections on this record are four different types of music, which play 
randomly, depending on where or when you place the needle - very 
strange...


Curt


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Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera on ebay

[DanKj]

Looks like Victor to me, too.  Also has a regular Cygnet horn neck, not the 
special Opera neck.  tsk



- Original Message - 
From: ronbr...@aol.com

To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Opera on ebay



Item # 150494547251

Is it just me or does this Opera have a Victor wood horn modified to fit 
this Opera?


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Re: [Phono-L] Oddball sort of ex-Brunswick crapophone

[DanKj]

Both Brunswick and Victor offered odd combos of Radio/Phono using their 
portable mechanisms.  Neither were very good !



- Original Message - 
From: Jack Whelan jackwhe...@hotmail.com

To: Phono-L phono-l@oldcrank.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oddball sort of ex-Brunswick crapophone





Looks like somebody has been smoking some bad weed and decided to create 
this mess.
I hope the designer has a sense of humor and no bidder would take his 
offer seriously.


Jack






From: lhera...@bu.edu
To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:32:07 -0400
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Oddball sort of ex-Brunswick crapophone

Looks like it has a portable phono motor is the donor a portable 
panatrope?


Ron L


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