Re: [Phono-L] Class M
Hi Brad, Have attached a photo of one of the motors we made. It would certainly be possible to have the cabinet parts made. As I use a quality maker to do this work, I can't be absolutely sure of what it would cost, but as the drawers are the more difficult part, I would estimate around $750 to $1000. Photo of one of my cabinets is also attached. If you are thinking of making up a machine from my parts, I would do the cabinet at cost. Alternatively, I would be interested in obtaining the remains of the cabinet you have if you prefer to let it go. Best wishes, Mike Tucker - Original Message - From: out...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Class M Hi Mike- I didn't know anyone was making M motors-- That's impressive. I have a 'wondering'. When I got my Class 'M', the case was missing three sides. It is the early short case in mahogany. It is missing the front (including the drawer, the back and the left end. What I do have is the base board and the right end. It also has the two swarf drawer runners. Years ago I purchased an excellent reproduction case, and restored the machine. I was wondering if it would be feasible for you to make my missing sides and drawer--and what the cost would be. I'd be happy to send you pictures so you can see what I have. Thank you- Brad Abell mtuc...@exemail.com.au -Original Message- From: Mike Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au To: Phono-L Post phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:42 am Subject: [Phono-L] Class M I have one quality reproduction Class M motor left - there won't be any more. uns at correct voltage and apart from the new look, indistinguishable from the riginal. Available at US$5000 plus postage from Australia. If you have an appropriate topworks, I can supply quality reproduction deck undercoated), governor and cabinet (early or late style, mahogany or oak, ready or polishing) plus the motor for US$8000 - working and ready for the topworks. f required, I can also modify your Triumph A topworks with the two idler wheels eeded for a Class M at cost. Cabinet will take up to 2 months to have made. If ou take this option, I will contribute $200 towards postage. For photographs and/or information please contact me on mtuc...@exemail.com.au. This is definitely the last motor, so first in wins. Mike Tucker __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: AAA New motor finished.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 319490 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20100801/eae99f0b/attachment.jpg -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: Mike cabinet1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 423088 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20100801/eae99f0b/attachment-0001.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Class M
Thanks for the info Mike-- The pics didn't come through-- perhaps send them direct? outune...@verizon.net I don't anticipate trying to make up a machine-- My goal would be to get my original case pieces useable as a half repro/ half original case and then decide which looks best with my machine--the full repro I currently have, or the hybrid. Dave Teti did my top works several years ago- Ken Danckaert did the nickle and fixed the on-off switch. I still need to get the motor working, but it is complete-just needs some tinkering, I guess. It's been a 10 year labor of love. I just retired from teaching, so may have a little more time to finish some long-neglected projects. Please see if the pics will send direct, and I'll send pics of my case pieces. Thanks- Brad -Original Message- From: Mike Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 1:42 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Class M Hi Brad, Have attached a photo of one of the motors we made. It would certainly be possible to have the cabinet parts made. As I use a quality maker to do this work, I can't be absolutely sure of what it would cost, but as the drawers are the more difficult part, I would estimate around $750 to $1000. Photo of one of my cabinets is also attached. If you are thinking of making up a machine from my parts, I would do the cabinet at cost. Alternatively, I would be interested in obtaining the remains of the cabinet you have if you prefer to let it go. Best wishes, Mike Tucker - Original Message - From: out...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Class M Hi Mike- I didn't know anyone was making M motors-- That's impressive. I have a 'wondering'. When I got my Class 'M', the case was missing three sides. It is the early short case in mahogany. It is missing the front (including the drawer, the back and the left end. What I do have is the base board and the right end. It also has the two swarf drawer runners. Years ago I purchased an excellent reproduction case, and restored the machine. I was wondering if it would be feasible for you to make my missing sides and drawer--and what the cost would be. I'd be happy to send you pictures so you can see what I have. Thank you- Brad Abell mtuc...@exemail.com.au -Original Message- From: Mike Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au To: Phono-L Post phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:42 am Subject: [Phono-L] Class M I have one quality reproduction Class M motor left - there won't be any more. uns at correct voltage and apart from the new look, indistinguishable from the riginal. Available at US$5000 plus postage from Australia. If you have an appropriate topworks, I can supply quality reproduction deck undercoated), governor and cabinet (early or late style, mahogany or oak, ready or polishing) plus the motor for US$8000 - working and ready for the topworks. f required, I can also modify your Triumph A topworks with the two idler wheels eeded for a Class M at cost. Cabinet will take up to 2 months to have made. If ou take this option, I will contribute $200 towards postage. For photographs and/or information please contact me on mtuc...@exemail.com.au. This is definitely the last motor, so first in wins. Mike Tucker __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: AAA New motor finished.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 319490 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20100801/eae99f0b/attachment.jpg -- ATTACHMENT -- **An Attachment Was Scrubbed** Name: Mike cabinet1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 423088 bytes URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20100801/eae99f0b/attachment-0001.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Class M
I have one quality reproduction Class M motor left - there won't be any more. Runs at correct voltage and apart from the new look, indistinguishable from the original. Available at US$5000 plus postage from Australia. If you have an appropriate topworks, I can supply quality reproduction deck (undercoated), governor and cabinet (early or late style, mahogany or oak, ready for polishing) plus the motor for US$8000 - working and ready for the topworks. If required, I can also modify your Triumph A topworks with the two idler wheels needed for a Class M at cost. Cabinet will take up to 2 months to have made. If you take this option, I will contribute $200 towards postage. For photographs and/or information please contact me on mtuc...@exemail.com.au. This is definitely the last motor, so first in wins. Mike Tucker ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Class M
Hi Mike- I didn't know anyone was making M motors-- That's impressive. I have a 'wondering'. When I got my Class 'M', the case was missing three sides. It is the early short case in mahogany. It is missing the front (including the drawer, the back and the left end. What I do have is the base board and the right end. It also has the two swarf drawer runners. Years ago I purchased an excellent reproduction case, and restored the machine. I was wondering if it would be feasible for you to make my missing sides and drawer--and what the cost would be. I'd be happy to send you pictures so you can see what I have. Thank you- Brad Abell mtuc...@exemail.com.au -Original Message- From: Mike Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au To: Phono-L Post phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2010 4:42 am Subject: [Phono-L] Class M I have one quality reproduction Class M motor left - there won't be any more. uns at correct voltage and apart from the new look, indistinguishable from the riginal. Available at US$5000 plus postage from Australia. If you have an appropriate topworks, I can supply quality reproduction deck undercoated), governor and cabinet (early or late style, mahogany or oak, ready or polishing) plus the motor for US$8000 - working and ready for the topworks. f required, I can also modify your Triumph A topworks with the two idler wheels eeded for a Class M at cost. Cabinet will take up to 2 months to have made. If ou take this option, I will contribute $200 towards postage. For photographs and/or information please contact me on mtuc...@exemail.com.au. This is definitely the last motor, so first in wins. Mike Tucker __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Class M
Mike, Please send a picture of what you are talking about and maybe I can solve it. I have never owned a Class M but I deal with belted loads in a different capacity. I sell industrial electric motors and I have to deal with belted loads all the time. Thanks, Steve On Oct 16, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Mike Tucker wrote: For the technical minded. I have occasionally wondered what was the purpose of the screw in the topworks castings, under the mandrel, on Class M phonographs. Reading a copy of the 1893 The Phonogram, I came across an article on How to work the Phonograph which noted that if the belt slips, it needs tightening and goes on with a long-handled screwdriver turn the projecting screw under the mandrel a few times, which will press the body forward and tighten the belt.. The Class M's I have seen either have no screw in place or the screw goes through the casting and doesn't connect to anything, so turning the screw does precisely nothing. I must assume that there was some additional part which the screw butted against to enable it to move the topworks, but I cannot see how or where this would fit. Can anyone enlighten me? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Class M
Many thanks for those contemplating my problem with the Class M topworks screw. Mario has provided the blindingly obvious solution which is that the screw pushes against the boss in the middle of the Class M deck ( located between the two right hand mounting blocks) and acts as firstly a stop to prevent the topworks moving to the left and slackening the drive belt, and secondly as a belt tensioner. My problem was looking at the topworks in isolation and not when it was mounted to the deck. At least I now know how to make minor tension adjustments to the drive belt on my two Class M's. Best wishes to all. Mike ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Class M Belt Adjustment.
Edison patent 499879 shows the tension adjustment you speak of. The Screw C serves to adjust the frame A on the box B for the purpose of tightening the driving belt as will be presently explained, and the lugs b' are slotted to permit this movement the screw b being finaly tightend after the proper adjustment of the driving belt has been secured. Patened June 20th, 1893 and applied for July 30, 1888. somewhere I have a few parts list for Perfected and class M phonographs. This adjustment screw is located just under the left end of the mandrel, there should be a casting that has this screw, as part of the bottom motor bedplate. This can be seen in Fig 1 of the patent. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Class M
For the technical minded. I have occasionally wondered what was the purpose of the screw in the topworks castings, under the mandrel, on Class M phonographs. Reading a copy of the 1893 The Phonogram, I came across an article on How to work the Phonograph which noted that if the belt slips, it needs tightening and goes on with a long-handled screwdriver turn the projecting screw under the mandrel a few times, which will press the body forward and tighten the belt.. The Class M's I have seen either have no screw in place or the screw goes through the casting and doesn't connect to anything, so turning the screw does precisely nothing. I must assume that there was some additional part which the screw butted against to enable it to move the topworks, but I cannot see how or where this would fit. Can anyone enlighten me? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Class M concert on ebay
Hi, Just catching up on emails. Where did the sound come out on this phono?? Thanks Ger ger55 on ebay; ge...@comcast.net Victorian Glass Plus! http://www.tias.com/stores/vgpp http://groups.yahoo.com/group/glass_antique_and_old/ - Original Message - From: Kat Hall To: Antique Phonograph List Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Class M concert on ebay It went for $27,677.00. From the Desk of Kat Hall Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) Review Coordinator www.champagnebooks.com - Original Message - From: phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Class M concert on ebay Didi you folks check this out. What an incredible item for anyone's collection. The mandrel looks funky in the pictures, but overall very nice machine. Does anyone know how many of these were made? Right now it's at $25,000 with a few more hours to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-EDISON-CLASS-M-COIN-OP-CONCERT-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ280144405331QQihZ018QQcategoryZ38029QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From a...@popyrus.com Sat Aug 25 17:02:43 2007 From: a...@popyrus.com (Andrew Baron) Date: Sat Aug 25 17:05:40 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] A-250 COMPILATION SUMMARY In-Reply-To: 20070825202118.5ee8f227...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com References: 20070825202118.5ee8f227...@mail.intellitechcomputing.com Message-ID: 3c8b2367-de65-4b9d-a25c-8896a88d9...@popyrus.com Hello to all and apologies for the very delayed reply. Rich's inquiry got me to finally sit down and sort out all the data into a readable compilation. We have fairly comprehensive information on only three A-250's, with only control lever information on two of others. Two of the three A-250's have differing serial numbers between the dataplate on the cabinet and the embossed number found on the surface bedplate under the platter, so there are more serial numbers represented here than machines. Please read on for additional information on the interesting differing details and dates found on these A-250's. I had fun compiling this list, and very much hope to add to it, as those of you who own or know of another A-250 and are willing to take a look at them and contribute. Best regards to all, Andy Baron Santa Fe, NM Edison A-250 Disc Phonograph: Search for differences in details, and study to determine approximate time of manufacture. Answers appear in same order as on questionnaire. If the motor board has a different serial number than the dataplate on the cabinet, results for specific motor and motor board details are listed under the motor board serial number (found on the bedplate under platter), while all other results are listed under the cabinet dataplate number. Motor board serial numbers are listed without their A1 suffix, and cabinet (dataplate) numbers are listed without their SM prefix. Please note that questions 14, 15,16 and 17 have been added to the previous inquiry list. Owner name (question 13) is optional. This compilation currently maintains the same question order as the original questionnaire, with added questions at the bottom, but may be updated in future to a better organized format. Note that we now have three different PRINTING FORM dates, and two different DATAPLATE dates, from which we can narrow down the approximate production dates of the A-250. To compare date results, based on the dataplate patent number and Form 631 printing form date, see 10b and 11. Please let us know if you have a date not shown here. To see details of John D. Robles? A-250, refer to http:// s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Edison%20A-250/ To see early vs. late details, Refer to photos posted on: http:// homepage.mac.com/pjfraser/phono/PhotoAlbum233.html Directions from Peter Fraser on accessing these photos: the password is pook2e (no quotes). Additional A-250 notes, courtesy of Ron Dethlefson are reproduced at the end of this document. Thanks to Peter Fraser, Ronald Dethlefson and John D. Robles for contributing. Please consider adding your data to this study. Thank you, Andy Baron Santa Fe, NM 2) Start/stop levers style: EARLY: Serial #158, #161, #171, #1429 LATE: Serial #5751, #12080 3) Bedplate corner detail: EARLY: Serial #1429 MIDDLE (Similar to early but dots in different place): Serial #5751 LATE: Serial #12033 4) # of PIVOTING oil hole covers on bedplate: TWO: Serial #1429, #5751 ONE: Serial #12033 5) Tone modulator present
[Phono-L] Class M concert on ebay
Didi you folks check this out. What an incredible item for anyone's collection. The mandrel looks funky in the pictures, but overall very nice machine. Does anyone know how many of these were made? Right now it's at $25,000 with a few more hours to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-EDISON-CLASS-M-COIN-OP-CONCERT-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ280144405331QQihZ018QQcategoryZ38029QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From clockworkh...@aol.com Fri Aug 24 14:59:56 2007 From: clockworkh...@aol.com (clockworkh...@aol.com) Date: Fri Aug 24 15:04:49 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Class M concert on ebay Message-ID: c14.1ff2d387.3400a...@aol.com In a message dated 8/24/2007 2:46:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, phonofo...@aol.com writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-EDISON-CLASS-M-COIN-OP-CONCERT-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH_W0 QQitemZ280144405331QQihZ018QQcategoryZ38029QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIt em The mandrel is hard rubber if my memory serves me. That is why it looks black rather than nickeled. I remember seeing this machine at Clarence's in the late 60's. I have seen one other at Hathaway and Bowers Gallery in the 70's. I know of one M electric Concert that is not a coin-op. This is certainly an extremely rare machine. We will have to wait until all the snipe bids are over to see what it actually goes for. The machine was offered earlier at $50,000 with no takers. Regards to All on the List, Al ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From wilenz...@bellsouth.net Fri Aug 24 15:58:33 2007 From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net (wilenz...@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri Aug 24 16:04:54 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Class M concert on ebay References: c14.1ff2d387.3400a...@aol.com Message-ID: 000f01c7e6a2$4ccf4150$6101a...@wilenzick A Class M coin-op concert phonograph sold last year at the Opportunities Auction in Newnan, GA for $42,500 plus 10% buyers premium. Ray - Original Message - From: clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Re: Class M concert on ebay In a message dated 8/24/2007 2:46:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, phonofo...@aol.com writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-EDISON-CLASS-M-COIN-OP-CONCERT-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH_W0 QQitemZ280144405331QQihZ018QQcategoryZ38029QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIt em The mandrel is hard rubber if my memory serves me. That is why it looks black rather than nickeled. I remember seeing this machine at Clarence's in the late 60's. I have seen one other at Hathaway and Bowers Gallery in the 70's. I know of one M electric Concert that is not a coin-op. This is certainly an extremely rare machine. We will have to wait until all the snipe bids are over to see what it actually goes for. The machine was offered earlier at $50,000 with no takers. Regards to All on the List, Al ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Class M concert on ebay -- more on nuts...
And the dime is now at $15,001 with two days to go... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=290151224289 On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:33:42 -0400 phonofo...@aol.com writes: Didi you folks check this out. What an incredible item for anyone's collection. The mandrel looks funky in the pictures, but overall very nice machine. Does anyone know how many of these were made? Right now it's at $25,000 with a few more hours to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-EDISON-CLASS-M-COIN-OP-CONCERT-CYLINDER-PHONOGRA PH_W0QQitemZ280144405331QQihZ018QQcategoryZ38029QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ cmdZViewItem Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From kathal...@gmail.com Fri Aug 24 20:56:08 2007 From: kathal...@gmail.com (Kat Hall) Date: Fri Aug 24 19:58:42 2007 Subject: [Phono-L] Class M concert on ebay References: 001901c7e65a$f19b4b40$6101a...@wilenzick 8c9b4ad93b7356e-ddc-2...@webmail-mb14.sysops.aol.com Message-ID: 147e01c7e6cb$e0d08520$0301f...@kathy It went for $27,677.00. From the Desk of Kat Hall Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) Review Coordinator www.champagnebooks.com - Original Message - From: phonofo...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Class M concert on ebay Didi you folks check this out. What an incredible item for anyone's collection. The mandrel looks funky in the pictures, but overall very nice machine. Does anyone know how many of these were made? Right now it's at $25,000 with a few more hours to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-EDISON-CLASS-M-COIN-OP-CONCERT-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH_W0QQitemZ280144405331QQihZ018QQcategoryZ38029QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
