Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Threaded Crank for sale and Phono-L
Hello Jim, The other Jim was not interested either, he just wanted to let me know that e-mail addresses no longer show up so I added my e-mail address for others to see. If e-mail addresses still showed up I would have sent this to you off list. Steve Dear Mr.Medved: I'm not the Jim interested in the Triumph crack.All the best... Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 3:40 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Threaded Crank for sale and Phono-L Hello Jim, I got this, but I did not get the post I sent so I did not know it went through. Steven Medved steve_noreen at msn dot com Looks like your message got through to Phono-L, Steve. But don't forget that Loran has changed things so that your name and email address do not show any more. So you have to type out your full name and email address if you want a personal reply. Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: I have a triumph crank that will fit the Model B and higher. It is either a reproduction or has been reworked and re-plated. The profile that is facing you when you wind looks excellent, on the front and back of the flat part you can see grinding marks. The plating is very shiny. Photos sent upon request. I cannot remember if this was the one I reworked and had Steve Farmer plate. $65 or best offer includes shipping via priority mail with delivery confirmation and $50 insurance. Does anyone know what happened to Phono-L? It is not showing on my yahoo groups, I cannot receive or send posts and my e-mail to Loran was not delivered. Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Triumph Threaded Crank for sale and Phono-L
I have a triumph crank that will fit the Model B and higher. It is either a reproduction or has been reworked and re-plated. The profile that is facing you when you wind looks excellent, on the front and back of the flat part you can see grinding marks. The plating is very shiny. Photos sent upon request. I cannot remember if this was the one I reworked and had Steve Farmer plate. $65 or best offer includes shipping via priority mail with delivery confirmation and $50 insurance. Does anyone know what happened to Phono-L? It is not showing on my yahoo groups, I cannot receive or send posts and my e-mail to Loran was not delivered. Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Threaded Crank for sale and Phono-L
Looks like your message got through to Phono-L, Steve. But don't forget that Loran has changed things so that your name and email address do not show any more. So you have to type out your full name and email address if you want a personal reply. Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: I have a triumph crank that will fit the Model B and higher. It is either a reproduction or has been reworked and re-plated. The profile that is facing you when you wind looks excellent, on the front and back of the flat part you can see grinding marks. The plating is very shiny. Photos sent upon request. I cannot remember if this was the one I reworked and had Steve Farmer plate. $65 or best offer includes shipping via priority mail with delivery confirmation and $50 insurance. Does anyone know what happened to Phono-L? It is not showing on my yahoo groups, I cannot receive or send posts and my e-mail to Loran was not delivered. Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Threaded Crank for sale and Phono-L
Hello Jim, I got this, but I did not get the post I sent so I did not know it went through. Steven Medved steve_noreen at msn dot com Looks like your message got through to Phono-L, Steve. But don't forget that Loran has changed things so that your name and email address do not show any more. So you have to type out your full name and email address if you want a personal reply. Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: I have a triumph crank that will fit the Model B and higher. It is either a reproduction or has been reworked and re-plated. The profile that is facing you when you wind looks excellent, on the front and back of the flat part you can see grinding marks. The plating is very shiny. Photos sent upon request. I cannot remember if this was the one I reworked and had Steve Farmer plate. $65 or best offer includes shipping via priority mail with delivery confirmation and $50 insurance. Does anyone know what happened to Phono-L? It is not showing on my yahoo groups, I cannot receive or send posts and my e-mail to Loran was not delivered. Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Threaded Crank for sale and Phono-L
Dear Mr.Medved: I'm not the Jim interested in the Triumph crack.All the best... Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Antique Phonograph List Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 3:40 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Threaded Crank for sale and Phono-L Hello Jim, I got this, but I did not get the post I sent so I did not know it went through. Steven Medved steve_noreen at msn dot com Looks like your message got through to Phono-L, Steve. But don't forget that Loran has changed things so that your name and email address do not show any more. So you have to type out your full name and email address if you want a personal reply. Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org wrote: I have a triumph crank that will fit the Model B and higher. It is either a reproduction or has been reworked and re-plated. The profile that is facing you when you wind looks excellent, on the front and back of the flat part you can see grinding marks. The plating is very shiny. Photos sent upon request. I cannot remember if this was the one I reworked and had Steve Farmer plate. $65 or best offer includes shipping via priority mail with delivery confirmation and $50 insurance. Does anyone know what happened to Phono-L? It is not showing on my yahoo groups, I cannot receive or send posts and my e-mail to Loran was not delivered. Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph A case wtb
Anyone have a nice Triumph A (banner) case? I need the case/lid only. Thank-you Ron -Original Message- From: David Barnett Sent: 9/5/2012 5:59 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Got combo attachment pictures I received a few pictures of the Edison combo attachment I asked for already. No more needed. Thanks, all. David David Barnett da...@fairlibertyscall.com C: 516-398-8668 www.FairLibertysCall.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph D with repeater parts
There is an empty Triumph case at the Maumee Antique Mall, on the south side of Toledo, in case anyone needs it - it's a dealer at the end of aisle 6. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 16:37:46 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph D with repeater parts Hello, I have a Triumph D that came with a repeater, the repeater is missing. It has the extra gearing on the pulley and the screws to hold the repeater to the upper bed plate. UPS dropped it and broke the lower bed plate. I got another bed plate for it, the striping is poor. The pot metal bearing is removed. The large carriage was broken in two. One spring in the motor is cracked in pieces, I removed it. The mandrel will likely have to be replaced. The feed screw might work, I do not know. UPS messed it up, but it is not deep. The adjusting screw that holds the front of the motor in place that you adjust pulley belt tension is bent. The motor looks good, the small brass gears are worn. It has no case, but came with a home made bottom case. The mandrel inner rod should be good. I would like to get $300 for the parts including shipping. Croaking frog was selling just the repeater pulley with the extra gear for $125, a motor frame alone for $60, speed control sc re w for $50, governor switch for $45, and I have seen spring barrels sell for around $100 and a whole motor go for $225. The spring barrel assembly, the motor, the upper and lower bed plate will be shipped in on box in separate pieces so nothing gets broken. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Triumph D with repeater parts
Hello, I have a Triumph D that came with a repeater, the repeater is missing. It has the extra gearing on the pulley and the screws to hold the repeater to the upper bed plate. UPS dropped it and broke the lower bed plate. I got another bed plate for it, the striping is poor. The pot metal bearing is removed. The large carriage was broken in two. One spring in the motor is cracked in pieces, I removed it. The mandrel will likely have to be replaced. The feed screw might work, I do not know. UPS messed it up, but it is not deep. The adjusting screw that holds the front of the motor in place that you adjust pulley belt tension is bent. The motor looks good, the small brass gears are worn. It has no case, but came with a home made bottom case. The mandrel inner rod should be good. I would like to get $300 for the parts including shipping. Croaking frog was selling just the repeater pulley with the extra gear for $125, a motor frame alone for $60, speed control scre w for $50, governor switch for $45, and I have seen spring barrels sell for around $100 and a whole motor go for $225. The spring barrel assembly, the motor, the upper and lower bed plate will be shipped in on box in separate pieces so nothing gets broken. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph D with repeater parts
It came with a home made case with no lid. It does have the crank. It will need a new large or small carriage, a mandrel unless the old one can be straightened, and a reproducer, and case. Hello, I have a Triumph D that came with a repeater, the repeater is missing. It has the extra gearing on the pulley and the screws to hold the repeater to the upper bed plate. UPS dropped it and broke the lower bed plate. I got another bed plate for it, the striping is poor. The pot metal bearing is removed. The large carriage was broken in two. One spring in the motor is cracked in pieces, I removed it. The mandrel will likely have to be replaced. The feed screw might work, I do not know. UPS messed it up, but it is not deep. The adjusting screw that holds the front of the motor in place that you adjust pulley belt tension is bent. The motor looks good, the small brass gears are worn. It has no case, but came with a home made bottom case. The mandrel inner rod should be good. I would like to get $300 for the parts including shipping. Croaking frog was selling just the repeater pulley with the extra gear for $125, a motor frame alone for $60, speed control scr e w for $50, governor switch for $45, and I have seen spring barrels sell for around $100 and a whole motor go for $225. The spring barrel assembly, the motor, the upper and lower bed plate will be shipped in on box in separate pieces so nothing gets broken. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph D with repeater parts
Steve, I'm so sorry to here about your busted machine. UPS is notorious for damaging items with their careless handling. I would never ship UPS. If I buy a machine or something along those lines, FEDEX is the best way to go. Sometimes, they are cheaper than UPS. USPS priority mail is another way to go, It may be a little more expensive than UPS or FEDEX, but the item gets special treatment and guaranteed 3 day delivery. All the best, Harvey Kravitz From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 1:37 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph D with repeater parts Hello, I have a Triumph D that came with a repeater, the repeater is missing. It has the extra gearing on the pulley and the screws to hold the repeater to the upper bed plate. UPS dropped it and broke the lower bed plate. I got another bed plate for it, the striping is poor. The pot metal bearing is removed. The large carriage was broken in two. One spring in the motor is cracked in pieces, I removed it. The mandrel will likely have to be replaced. The feed screw might work, I do not know. UPS messed it up, but it is not deep. The adjusting screw that holds the front of the motor in place that you adjust pulley belt tension is bent. The motor looks good, the small brass gears are worn. It has no case, but came with a home made bottom case. The mandrel inner rod should be good. I would like to get $300 for the parts including shipping. Croaking frog was selling just the repeater pulley with the extra gear for $125, a motor frame alone for $60, speed control scre w for $50, governor switch for $45, and I have seen spring barrels sell for around $100 and a whole motor go for $225. The spring barrel assembly, the motor, the upper and lower bed plate will be shipped in on box in separate pieces so nothing gets broken. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph D with repeater parts shipping
Hello Harvey, This is the third damage from UPS to me. I ship Fed Ex 2nd day and pay Fed Ex ground prices with my discount for heavy things. Priority and first class for light things. Steve Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 14:04:10 -0700 From: harveykrav...@yahoo.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph D with repeater parts Steve, I'm so sorry to here about your busted machine. UPS is notorious for damaging items with their careless handling. I would never ship UPS. If I buy a machine or something along those lines, FEDEX is the best way to go. Sometimes, they are cheaper than UPS. USPS priority mail is another way to go, It may be a little more expensive than UPS or FEDEX, but the item gets special treatment and guaranteed 3 day delivery. All the best, Harvey Kravitz From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 1:37 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph D with repeater parts Hello, I have a Triumph D that came with a repeater, the repeater is missing. It has the extra gearing on the pulley and the screws to hold the repeater to the upper bed plate. UPS dropped it and broke the lower bed plate. I got another bed plate for it, the striping is poor. The pot metal bearing is removed. The large carriage was broken in two. One spring in the motor is cracked in pieces, I removed it. The mandrel will likely have to be replaced. The feed screw might work, I do not know. UPS messed it up, but it is not deep. The adjusting screw that holds the front of the motor in place that you adjust pulley belt tension is bent. The motor looks good, the small brass gears are worn. It has no case, but came with a home made bottom case. The mandrel inner rod should be good. I would like to get $300 for the parts including shipping. Croaking frog was selling just the repeater pulley with the extra gear for $125, a motor frame alone for $60, speed control scre w for $50, governor switch for $45, and I have seen spring barrels sell for around $100 and a whole motor go for $225. The spring barrel assembly, the motor, the upper and lower bed plate will be shipped in on box in separate pieces so nothing gets broken. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Triumph Cygnet Horn Crane
I have two Triumphs with O reproducers. One has an original cygnet crane (10 to the bend) and the other is a reproduction (8 to the bend)..obviously the wrong crane for this machine. I am looking for either an original or reproduction Triumph crane. Many thanks. Bob Kolba ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Cygnet Horn Crane
Hello Bob and list, There are several types of cranes. The early ones do not have the spring at the top and require a metal tizit to work and are not as high as the later ones which are made higher at the top to accomodate the spring. The later ones have the spring at the top and need to be higher to accomodate the spring. There are cranes that are made for the horizontal carriage. There are cranes that are made for the 45 degree carriages. The difference is about three inches in where it falls. I would recommend Ron Sitko at 518-371-8549, you can call him in the evening between 7 and 10 pm, he is in New York. Another guy had the same problem and he called Ron and got the correct crane at a good price. Steve From: rkolba0...@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:53:31 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph Cygnet Horn Crane I have two Triumphs with O reproducers. One has an original cygnet crane (10 to the bend) and the other is a reproduction (8 to the bend)..obviously the wrong crane for this machine. I am looking for either an original or reproduction Triumph crane. Many thanks. Bob Kolba ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Cygnet Horn Crane
Hi Steve ~ I recall the Triumph horn crane issues coming up some time back on this forum. Can you elaborate if/when you have time, on the difference between the cranes made for the horizontal carriage vs. the cranes made for the angled carriage? I thought I'd resolve the tracking differences on my Triumph (Gfell Music Master, reproduction crane) with a Tiz-it, but was concerned about losing audio velocity as the carriage travels through its looser-fit positions during the course of playing a cylinder (snug-to-loose fit of Tiz-it to horn). With the rubber horn coupler (which I use to avoid Tiz-it losses), it's the usual problem of no matter how carefully the suspension spring is adjusted, there's a small portion of the tracking that fairly jams the carriage down to the straightedge, and the rest barely touches. A solution might be to secure the Tiz-it with an internal sleeve of rubber, to seal the upper (tapered) part of the Tiz-it to the inside of the horn stem, and allow the constant-diameter sleeve portion of the Tiz-it to ride up and down on the reproducer neck during play, the suspension spring being adjusted so the Tiz-it base just barely bottoms on the reproducer when the over all travel is at its closest position. This would be minimal loss of air pressure, but not as good as a rubber coupler, and would have the added disadvantage of wear to the nickel plating on the reproducer tube. A thin layer of white lithium grease, though a dust-catcher, might take care of these two deficits (sealing and friction wear). Would love to get your thoughts on this if you have time. Not urgent. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Steven Medved wrote: Hello Bob and list, There are several types of cranes. The early ones do not have the spring at the top and require a metal tizit to work and are not as high as the later ones which are made higher at the top to accomodate the spring. The later ones have the spring at the top and need to be higher to accomodate the spring. There are cranes that are made for the horizontal carriage. There are cranes that are made for the 45 degree carriages. The difference is about three inches in where it falls. I would recommend Ron Sitko at 518-371-8549, you can call him in the evening between 7 and 10 pm, he is in New York. Another guy had the same problem and he called Ron and got the correct crane at a good price. Steve From: rkolba0...@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:53:31 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph Cygnet Horn Crane I have two Triumphs with O reproducers. One has an original cygnet crane (10 to the bend) and the other is a reproduction (8 to the bend)..obviously the wrong crane for this machine. I am looking for either an original or reproduction Triumph crane. Many thanks. Bob Kolba ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Cygnet Horn Crane
The early ones need the tizit or when the carriage moves the rubber will lift the horn up. The first crane with no spring was designed to work with the tizit which allows the horn to lift up as there is no spring to absorb the movement. The one that uses the spring and horn rubber seals in all the sound. I am not sure but I think the horizontal and 45 degree carriage is different, I will have to check with Sitko to be sure, if they differ the upper C would have the lower part 3 inches longer or shorter. If you do use a tizit you can seal the sound in with grease like vaseline, you have to watch it does not make a mess. The diamond C is designed with the grooves in the sound tube to be used with Vaseline for lubrication and sealing the sound in. You are correct, grease would solve the sound leak and movement issues. Steve From: a...@popyrus.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:19:54 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Cygnet Horn Crane Hi Steve ~ I recall the Triumph horn crane issues coming up some time back on this forum. Can you elaborate if/when you have time, on the difference between the cranes made for the horizontal carriage vs. the cranes made for the angled carriage? I thought I'd resolve the tracking differences on my Triumph (Gfell Music Master, reproduction crane) with a Tiz-it, but was concerned about losing audio velocity as the carriage travels through its looser-fit positions during the course of playing a cylinder (snug-to-loose fit of Tiz-it to horn). With the rubber horn coupler (which I use to avoid Tiz-it losses), it's the usual problem of no matter how carefully the suspension spring is adjusted, there's a small portion of the tracking that fairly jams the carriage down to the straightedge, and the rest barely touches. A solution might be to secure the Tiz-it with an internal sleeve of rubber, to seal the upper (tapered) part of the Tiz-it to the inside of the horn stem, and allow the constant-diameter sleeve portion of the Tiz-it to ride up and down on the reproducer neck during play, the suspension spring being adjusted so the Tiz-it base just barely bottoms on the reproducer when the over all travel is at its closest position. This would be minimal loss of air pressure, but not as good as a rubber coupler, and would have the added disadvantage of wear to the nickel plating on the reproducer tube. A thin layer of white lithium grease, though a dust-catcher, might take care of these two deficits (sealing and friction wear). Would love to get your thoughts on this if you have time. Not urgent. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Feb 27, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Steven Medved wrote: Hello Bob and list, There are several types of cranes. The early ones do not have the spring at the top and require a metal tizit to work and are not as high as the later ones which are made higher at the top to accomodate the spring. The later ones have the spring at the top and need to be higher to accomodate the spring. There are cranes that are made for the horizontal carriage. There are cranes that are made for the 45 degree carriages. The difference is about three inches in where it falls. I would recommend Ron Sitko at 518-371-8549, you can call him in the evening between 7 and 10 pm, he is in New York. Another guy had the same problem and he called Ron and got the correct crane at a good price. Steve From: rkolba0...@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:53:31 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph Cygnet Horn Crane I have two Triumphs with O reproducers. One has an original cygnet crane (10 to the bend) and the other is a reproduction (8 to the bend)..obviously the wrong crane for this machine. I am looking for either an original or reproduction Triumph crane. Many thanks. Bob Kolba ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph with spruce horn
Standing the horn on the reproducer without a crane must stress the reproducer neck. Also, seeing that he apparently knows something about phonographs makes me surprised that being a model d, he doesn't know the bearing is swollen, this seizing the mandrel shaft. John Robles On Jan 8, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: White glue should be banned from this world. Fixing that horn is going to cost a small fortune to do it correctly just because of all of that glue. On 01/08/2012 08:21 PM, Steven Medved wrote: Who won the triumph with the spruce horn? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250965102963 Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Triumph with spruce horn
Who won the triumph with the spruce horn? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250965102963 Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph with spruce horn
White glue should be banned from this world. Fixing that horn is going to cost a small fortune to do it correctly just because of all of that glue. On 01/08/2012 08:21 PM, Steven Medved wrote: Who won the triumph with the spruce horn? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250965102963 Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Triumph Home feedscrews - you live and you learn
I would like to publically thank Mike Tucker for enlightening me. I have only had to work with the feedscrews on my very early machines and never looked closely at the later feedscrews. Mike suggested I get a USB microscope for my computer. It arrived last week and I began to look over later feedscrews. They certainly are 60º feedscrews. Now the question is when did Edison change over? The 1892 Class M project machine of mine had buttress and examining an 1896 Spring Motor it was the same. Looking at a Triumph B, C, D, E, F, G the feedscrew is 60º threads. That will teach me never to take the later machines so lightly ! ! ! This just goes to prove what I have always said, You are always learning something new about Edison machines. The fun never stops. A big thank you to Mike. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Home feedscrews - you live and you learn
Take a look at an early Triumph A. Or a long case red banner Home A. On 08/27/2011 06:59 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: I would like to publically thank Mike Tucker for enlightening me. I have only had to work with the feedscrews on my very early machines and never looked closely at the later feedscrews. Mike suggested I get a USB microscope for my computer. It arrived last week and I began to look over later feedscrews. They certainly are 60º feedscrews. Now the question is when did Edison change over? The 1892 Class M project machine of mine had buttress and examining an 1896 Spring Motor it was the same. Looking at a Triumph B, C, D, E, F, G the feedscrew is 60º threads. That will teach me never to take the later machines so lightly ! ! ! This just goes to prove what I have always said, You are always learning something new about Edison machines. The fun never stops. A big thank you to Mike. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Home feedscrews - you live and you learn
Rich, give me a few days since virtually all of my machines are in storage. I will attempt to look at those two machines to see what I find. Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Home feedscrews - you live and you learn
So here's a question: Will the original half-nut on an original early Triumph A properly fit the feed screw that comes with an Edison add-on 2/4 set-up that was made for the model B? Andy On Aug 27, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Rich wrote: Take a look at an early Triumph A. Or a long case red banner Home A. On 08/27/2011 06:59 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: I would like to publically thank Mike Tucker for enlightening me. I have only had to work with the feedscrews on my very early machines and never looked closely at the later feedscrews. Mike suggested I get a USB microscope for my computer. It arrived last week and I began to look over later feedscrews. They certainly are 60º feedscrews. Now the question is when did Edison change over? The 1892 Class M project machine of mine had buttress and examining an 1896 Spring Motor it was the same. Looking at a Triumph B, C, D, E, F, G the feedscrew is 60º threads. That will teach me never to take the later machines so lightly ! ! ! This just goes to prove what I have always said, You are always learning something new about Edison machines. The fun never stops. A big thank you to Mike. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Home feedscrews - you live and you learn
That is the same problem I have and I know I have seen the buttress thread feed screws and I do not have a Class M. On 08/27/2011 07:25 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Rich, give me a few days since virtually all of my machines are in storage. I will attempt to look at those two machines to see what I find. Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph Home feedscrews - you live and you learn
Ok I'll toss in some more data: the original halfnut on my branded case gem (early gem-only reproducer) has a different pitch than that of the later A/B carriage I sometimes fit to it. I use that carriage so I can use a B or C reproducer on it. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Aug 27, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote: So here's a question: Will the original half-nut on an original early Triumph A properly fit the feed screw that comes with an Edison add-on 2/4 set-up that was made for the model B? Andy On Aug 27, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Rich wrote: Take a look at an early Triumph A. Or a long case red banner Home A. On 08/27/2011 06:59 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: I would like to publically thank Mike Tucker for enlightening me. I have only had to work with the feedscrews on my very early machines and never looked closely at the later feedscrews. Mike suggested I get a USB microscope for my computer. It arrived last week and I began to look over later feedscrews. They certainly are 60º feedscrews. Now the question is when did Edison change over? The 1892 Class M project machine of mine had buttress and examining an 1896 Spring Motor it was the same. Looking at a Triumph B, C, D, E, F, G the feedscrew is 60º threads. That will teach me never to take the later machines so lightly ! ! ! This just goes to prove what I have always said, You are always learning something new about Edison machines. The fun never stops. A big thank you to Mike. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph halfnuts...
I just got off the phone with Dwayne of Wyatt's Musical Americana. He is out of the Triumph halfnuts. His source was the late Elmer Jones, a first rate machinist and all around great guy. Elmer made the halfnuts with the 45º buttress threads. I am going to make a few other calls to known mechanical genius phonograph people here in sunny California. The halfnut I need for my early M Class project machine is the single wide one and not the two narrow ones for the split bar. Wish me luck as I don't look forward to tooling up to make one. Mike Tucker has been doing miraculous things down under. I wonder if we could get enough orders together to have him make the BT halfnuts? Dwayne told me he needs them. Anyone else? Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph
Hey there Bill I have a beautiful, 100% original Banner front Triumph with 2/4 minute gearing, vertical carriage, O reproducer and cygnet horn. The pinstriping is great, original finish and decal - the whole works. Best of all, no one has monkeyed with it, so you also get the original grime. There is only one problem as far as I can see -there are 2 sets of holes drilled in back for the cygnet horn mount. Not a big deal, and easily fixed by someone who knows what they're doing. Not that it would really need to be fixed; in fact, 2 of the extra holes are covered by the bracket. And here's the icing on the cake - on the front is a celluloid dealers tag from the Jacot Music Box Company, New York! I'll bring my camera in tomorrow and take some pictures. Let me know if you're interested. Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, TX 77389 Website: www.78rpm.com E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com www.newpledge.org www.mdada.org Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph bedplated wanted
Hey all! I'm seeking to replace my Triumph B bedplate with a minty or pristine original. I would consider any of the following in order to achieve this: the bedplate alone, bedplate with motor assembly, or would consider the complete bottom works including cabinet. Ideal would be a complete Model D etc cabinet/works (no horn) set up for 2/4 minute to make a swap with my existing wood cygnet horn. any suggestions, offers, helpplease email me off list at hexaph...@sbcglobal.net Thanks! Ron ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph bedplates, Model B and D
Hello, What is the difference between the model B and D triumph bedplate? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230450343741 Is this a D bedplate? I only have an A and E so I have no way to tell. Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph bedplates, Model B and D
The model b has a little stanchion next to the pulley. I think it was eliminated on the model D due to the need for space to pull out the 2/4 gearing shift. The D was the first model with the factory 2/4 gearing. You could add it to the earlier model, but the shift mechanism didn't need so much space to the right of the pulley. Is that as clear as mud?? John Robles --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l To: phonolist ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph bedplates, Model B and D Sent: Apr 6, 2010 7:45 AM Hello, What is the difference between the model B and D triumph bedplate? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230450343741 Is this a D bedplate? I only have an A and E so I have no way to tell. Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph bedplates, Model B and D
John, totally clear. I should have specified the lower bed plate. I purchased a triumph D and the lower bed plate got broken in shipping, I wondered what the difference in the lower bedplates with the B and D. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:35:56 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph bedplates, Model B and D The model b has a little stanchion next to the pulley. I think it was eliminated on the model D due to the need for space to pull out the 2/4 gearing shift. The D was the first model with the factory 2/4 gearing. You could add it to the earlier model, but the shift mechanism didn't need so much space to the right of the pulley. Is that as clear as mud?? John Robles --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l To: phonolist ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph bedplates, Model B and D Sent: Apr 6, 2010 7:45 AM Hello, What is the difference between the model B and D triumph bedplate? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230450343741 Is this a D bedplate? I only have an A and E so I have no way to tell. Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Triumph bedplates, Model B and D
Would that be the motor frame that got broken? Is it weldable? There are some blacksmiths who can successfully weld cast iron. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steven Medved Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:12 PM To: Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph bedplates, Model B and D John, totally clear. I should have specified the lower bed plate. I purchased a triumph D and the lower bed plate got broken in shipping, I wondered what the difference in the lower bedplates with the B and D. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:35:56 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph bedplates, Model B and D The model b has a little stanchion next to the pulley. I think it was eliminated on the model D due to the need for space to pull out the 2/4 gearing shift. The D was the first model with the factory 2/4 gearing. You could add it to the earlier model, but the shift mechanism didn't need so much space to the right of the pulley. Is that as clear as mud?? John Robles --Original Message-- From: Steven Medved Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: Phono-l To: phonolist ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph bedplates, Model B and D Sent: Apr 6, 2010 7:45 AM Hello, What is the difference between the model B and D triumph bedplate? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230450343741 Is this a D bedplate? I only have an A and E so I have no way to tell. Thanks, Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph A
Does anyone have a spare Triumph A topworks for sale. I can use several. Rough paint is OK as long as they are undamaged and not corroded. Would prefer carriage and mandrel, but not essential. Contact Mike Tucker mtuc...@exemail.com.au ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph model B parts needed
Hello all I picked up an Edison Triumph model B with a 2/4 conversion on it this weekend for resale, and am wondering if anyone has a?bedplate frame (the wood part that the?bedplate screws into), no mater the condition of the finish? This is a nice working machine, but the frame on this one has been broken by the hinges to where I am not sure a repair would be good enough to bear the weight of the motor when you lift the?bedplate up. It is also missing the shaver. It has a model C reproducer, as it was a 2 minute machine, but the H that would have come with the conversion kit is nowhere to be found. Interestingly, the Edison decal was worn and someone but a banner Edison Standard decal over it. If anyone on the list is interested I can send pics, email me privately. General price as is would be $650, price for the list is $550. Once the bedplate frame were replaced and the finish either redone or cleaned up, this would be a nice 2/4 machine! Wasn't there someone who made reproduction frames??? Thanks all John Robles From bruce78...@comcast.net Mon Jan 12 16:08:24 2009 From: bruce78...@comcast.net (bruce78...@comcast.net) Date: Mon Jan 12 16:08:34 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] Latest YouTube Video-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers In-Reply-To: 406570073.478741231805294174.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Message-ID: 773704169.478761231805304458.javamail.r...@sz0019a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net For you listening pleasure. Here is my latest youtube effort. From 1931-Joe Venuti and his New Yorkers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeg1K8KRAk From klin...@modex.com Mon Jan 12 16:38:51 2009 From: klin...@modex.com (Bill Klinger) Date: Mon Jan 12 16:39:09 2009 Subject: [Phono-L] ARSC Conference Travel Grants -- Deadline Reminder Message-ID: 6a0d724570bd457e900e0e994afd2...@billqbszr49l7m The Outreach Committee of the Association for Recorded Sound Collections (ARSC) posts the following message. If you have any questions, please click on the link or e-mail address below. -- ARSC CONFERENCE TRAVEL GRANTS -- Application Deadline: January 16, 2009 The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is now accepting applications for ARSC Conference Travel Grants to be awarded in 2009. Grant recipients are awarded: -- complimentary registration for the entire ARSC Annual Conference -- gratis registration for the Pre-Conference Tour of the new Library of Congress National Audio-Visual Conservation Center, and -- reimbursement up to US$750 to defray the expenses of transportation and lodging. The grant requirements are detailed here: http://www.arsc-audio.org/conference/pdf/travelgrants2009.doc For more information, please e-mail: loui...@grammy.com The Association for Recorded Sound Collections is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and study of sound recordings -- in all genres of music and speech, in all formats, and from all periods. ARSC is unique in bringing together private individuals and institutional professionals -- everyone with a serious interest in recorded sound.
[Phono-L] Triumph and BGT
Hello all, I figured I would post my want list one more time before the holidays in search of that special gift for ME. I am looking for a nice Edison Triumph 2/4 machine and/or a Columbia BGT must have original finish. Looking to put some money in your stocking before the holidays. If you have a nice piece you are willing to part with -please contact me off line at: _elcamino...@aol.com_ (mailto:elcamino...@aol.com) Thank you Pete **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) From mtuc...@exemail.com.au Thu Nov 13 13:20:19 2008 From: mtuc...@exemail.com.au (Mike Tucker) Date: Thu Nov 13 15:27:37 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Class M Message-ID: c6ba3154c1824d17826462507b543...@mikefb1afb33f4 Hi, I would appreciate your posting the following note. Mike Tucker A friend and I are in the process of restoring two of the upright coin slots which use the Class M electric motor. They are the same as the one described as Unidentified Class M of about 1905 at page 246 of the latest edition of Frow's cylinder machine book. They have the wooden feet instead of the more familiar ball and claw ones and a somewhat similar cabinet to the Majestic. I would particularly appreciate any information anyone has as to the correct backboard for these machines (If they had one - our cabinets are in transit, so I can't verify this at the moment), but any information on this or the phonograph generally would be appreciated. I can be contacted via Email at triva...@exemail.com.au Thanks, Mike Tucker From zonophone2...@aol.com Thu Nov 13 15:44:42 2008 From: zonophone2...@aol.com (zonophone2...@aol.com) Date: Thu Nov 13 15:49:56 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] re Victor VI dimension needed Message-ID: cff.446a3b5d.364e1...@aol.com IN REGARDS TO DIMENSIONS you might check with bob baumbach book on the victor data book it contains all of this i believe or contact bob himself good luck on the project In a message dated 11/13/2008 8:02:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mari...@optusnet.com.au writes: Hi All, I'm after a couple of dimensions of a later (second motor) style Victor VI horn machine. Could someone please tell me: 1. Base dimensions - as in the actual footprint 2. Height (bottom of case to the top of motorboard) I really need to get accurate dimensions. Thanks in advance for your help! Cheers, Mario ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0001) From markely...@earthlink.net Thu Nov 13 18:52:41 2008 From: markely...@earthlink.net (Mark Lynch) Date: Thu Nov 13 19:04:17 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Help with Opera/1B Mandrel Finish Message-ID: 380-22008115142524...@earthlink.net Greetings, Does anyone here have experience recreating the brownish-black finish found on the Edison Opera and Amberola 1B mandrel? It appears to be a chemical finish on the brass surface as opposed to a plated finish. I'd be most grateful to talk to someone who has first-hand experience or can refer me to the right person. Best Regards, Mark Silver Spring, M
[Phono-L] Triumph Model F for sale
I am taking offers on a Triumph model F, in Opera style case. Let mebe honest this was a basket case machine, and needs cabinet work onthe hinges. The motor has new springs, and bull gear, it needs theproper long on and off lever, an original aduster for the tension. itis sans reproducer and horn. It will need a lid and nickel plating.Here are some links to photos of the machine. It does work finethough, and plays well. there are probably less Triumph Fs around than Operas it was available at the same time the Opera was and sopeople would have opted out and spent the 90.00 for the Opera,instead of the $75.00 for the Triumph. It has been refinished byme probably 8 years ago.http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2101.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2102.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2103.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2105-1.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2105.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2109.jpghttp://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2100.jpg http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2097.jpg http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j213/darksound1973/100_2112.jpg _ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/
[Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn?
Disappointing when people destroy a good spear-tip horn! Reminds me of a wannabe robber who broke into a home and stole a few things including an older shotgun, which he then proceeded to cut down to a sawn-off-shotgun that he used in a bank robbery that netted him like $2500, his face on CCTV and then jail time. Turned out the shotgun was a custom made English Purdey valued at around $14'000
[Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn?
Can the wood portion of the cygnet horn that's with this Triumph be original? I wasn't aware that Music Master, before or after Edison began offering them, used this type of wood pattern which appears to be a ca. 1908 Columbia #2 wood horn bell. Any thoughts? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170257543430ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Andy Baron Santa Fe
[Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn?
My opinion is that the wood section is not original or aftermarket for any Edison machine. The whole wood section appears too long and does not hang on the cygnet crane properly. It does look like a wood horn for a rear mount machine that was cut to fit in the housing of an Edison cygnet elbow. On Sep 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Can the wood portion of the cygnet horn that's with this Triumph be original? I wasn't aware that Music Master, before or after Edison began offering them, used this type of wood pattern which appears to be a ca. 1908 Columbia #2 wood horn bell. Any thoughts? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170257543430ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 Andy Baron Santa Fe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn?
Just last week, I think it was, I saw a rear section of wood horn with metal collar on eeebay. It looked like a fresh cut. Now I know why. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-bounces at oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Steve Andersen Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:04 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn? My opinion is that the wood section is not original or aftermarket for any Edison machine. The whole wood section appears too long and does not hang on the cygnet crane properly. It does look like a wood horn for a rear mount machine that was cut to fit in the housing of an Edison cygnet elbow. On Sep 2, 2008, at 12:32 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Can the wood portion of the cygnet horn that's with this Triumph be original? I wasn't aware that Music Master, before or after Edison began offering them, used this type of wood pattern which appears to be a ca. 1908 Columbia #2 wood horn bell. Any thoughts? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170257543430ssPageName=A DME:B:SS:US:1123 Andy Baron Santa Fe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph with Columbia horn?
In a message dated 9/2/2008 10:08:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, andy at popyrus.com writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=170257543430ssPageName=ADM E:B:SS:US:1123 THAT very same machine was in an oak cabinet with a reproduction 14 witch's hat horn just over a month ago around the beginning of July. The reproducer is potmetal so it too is not original to the machine. When the machine did not sell for the reserve in July it came back in improved form. The seller lists it as found original but has the Buy It Now price of $2,695 which is half what a mahogany machine would bring. Al **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
[Phono-L] Triumph dating help request
http://www.edisontriumph.com/research.html From: andy at popyrus.com To: phono-l at oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:29:37 -0600 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph dating help request Hi all ~ I sent the following when the list was down, so am resending. Apologies in advance if the original pops up at some point. --AB I'm writing in hopes of receiving some knowledgeable guidance on dating an Edison Triumph. Serial number plate: Can someone please take a moment and tell me what the subsequent patent date was (after May 31, 1898), on the very next version of the serial number plate? I realize that there are some flaws in attempting to date a machine by this method, but it should at least help me narrow it down a bit more. If dating by serial number has possibilities, the serial number of this machine is 31700. I recall recent discussions here about seemingly out of sequence or anomalous serial numbers on some Edison phonographs, but perhaps this serial number can still be of some value if a database exists of some verified dates of sale in relation to certain numbers. I spent about an hour searching on the internet for serial number or date information, but wasn't able to find anything helpful. I see in Frow that the speed indicating marks were added to the carriage shaft sometime in 1904, and this machine does not have those, so I can only say that it dates anywhere from the Spring of 1901 to some time in 1904. I would love to be able to pin it down a little narrower than this. The other detail in Frow is a reference in his description of the model A Triumph, to the corner posts later getting rounded slightly. Because this note appeared in his description of the model A, it isn't clear if this change took place while the model A was still in production, or if it refers to model B. Mine has the sharp-edged corner trim on the main body of the cabinet. This machine also has a square-ended winding shaft and square receptacle crank hole. Once again, various searches on-line related for information about when it may have transitioned to a different style of winding crank engagement also failed to turn up any dating information. If anyone here can shed some light on when this machine was made or offer any details I should look for that will help me to date it more precisely, I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance for any help. Andy Baron Santa Fe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph dating help request
Greetings Andy: When George Frow and I did the first book in 1976 printing costs were so high that much was left out and a great many expensive photos were eliminated. Such was the more fine dating of early models. Luckily we now have the Internet with the ability to share information instantly. The Triumph appears to have made the transition from Spring Motor around serial 3. I say around because I have seen a Spring Motor with a serial of 29906 and a Triumph A with a serial of 29319. These all have the last patent date as May 31, 1898. You won't see the last patent date change to November 17, 1903 until around serial number 4. Your machine is very likely made in 1901 since the serial is just 31700. I hope that helps. Al **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301)
[Phono-L] Triumph dating help request
Hello Al ~ This is a tremendous help. Many thanks for your input. You've not only answered my question about the next serial number plate date change, but also put it in context. As a paper engineer, and being involved in publishing, I'm well aware of the book productions limitations that you mentioned. Wouldn't it have been an incredible gift to the collector community to have been able to produce and disseminate as comprehensive a version of the book as the available allowed? Due to printing cost and marketing realities, the end result rarely reflects the work as conceived and developed. I'll print out your detail and put it with my Triumph. Thanks again for this insight and All Best Wishes, Andy On May 2, 2008, at 1:59 AM, ClockworkHome at aol.com wrote: Greetings Andy: When George Frow and I did the first book in 1976 printing costs were so high that much was left out and a great many expensive photos were eliminated. Such was the more fine dating of early models. Luckily we now have the Internet with the ability to share information instantly. The Triumph appears to have made the transition from Spring Motor around serial 3. I say around because I have seen a Spring Motor with a serial of 29906 and a Triumph A with a serial of 29319. These all have the last patent date as May 31, 1898. You won't see the last patent date change to November 17, 1903 until around serial number 4. Your machine is very likely made in 1901 since the serial is just 31700. I hope that helps. Al **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph dating help request
Hi all ~ I sent the following when the list was down, so am resending. Apologies in advance if the original pops up at some point. --AB I'm writing in hopes of receiving some knowledgeable guidance on dating an Edison Triumph. Serial number plate: Can someone please take a moment and tell me what the subsequent patent date was (after May 31, 1898), on the very next version of the serial number plate? I realize that there are some flaws in attempting to date a machine by this method, but it should at least help me narrow it down a bit more. If dating by serial number has possibilities, the serial number of this machine is 31700. I recall recent discussions here about seemingly out of sequence or anomalous serial numbers on some Edison phonographs, but perhaps this serial number can still be of some value if a database exists of some verified dates of sale in relation to certain numbers. I spent about an hour searching on the internet for serial number or date information, but wasn't able to find anything helpful. I see in Frow that the speed indicating marks were added to the carriage shaft sometime in 1904, and this machine does not have those, so I can only say that it dates anywhere from the Spring of 1901 to some time in 1904. I would love to be able to pin it down a little narrower than this. The other detail in Frow is a reference in his description of the model A Triumph, to the corner posts later getting rounded slightly. Because this note appeared in his description of the model A, it isn't clear if this change took place while the model A was still in production, or if it refers to model B. Mine has the sharp-edged corner trim on the main body of the cabinet. This machine also has a square-ended winding shaft and square receptacle crank hole. Once again, various searches on-line related for information about when it may have transitioned to a different style of winding crank engagement also failed to turn up any dating information. If anyone here can shed some light on when this machine was made or offer any details I should look for that will help me to date it more precisely, I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance for any help. Andy Baron Santa Fe
[Phono-L] Triumph cylinder records
Does anyone know who made these and if the were wax? Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=190208541026ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:ITih=009 http://tinyurl.com/5altm9 From tvene...@optonline.net Fri Apr 18 19:44:17 2008 From: tvene...@optonline.net (Tim) Date: Fri Apr 18 19:45:24 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] The edison cup phonograph Message-ID: 63d46cf749bc44008dc5dd2edbfa4...@timpc The maker store now has these in stock the edison cup phonograph http://store.makezine.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=GKSSECP From keeper...@aol.com Sat Apr 19 11:54:19 2008 From: keeper...@aol.com (keeper...@aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 19 11:54:44 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] VTMC Mystery - What's in the Barrels? Message-ID: bda.2789840e.353b9...@aol.com Greetings, m' Friends, On page 53 of this March-April, 2008, issue of Horseless Carriage Gazette is a photograph of a large C-cab Pierce-Arrow truck, with rear tandem, hard-rubber tires, stacked two rows high, eight deep on the bed, with large oak barrels such as those used to age/store and transport beer, wine, alcohol... On the side of the truck is a broad, square sign, maybe 2-1/2 or 3 x 3 feet, with the script: V.T.M. Co., Camden, N.J. and our doggie and his Berliner in the center listening to His Master's Voice. The caption under the photograph reads: The dog and the record player are familiar but what was in all those barrels? My sentiments exactly. It might be considered where the truck is coming from or going. Maybe the truck is coming from the train station... But didn't VTM Co. have its own rail access? I'm thinking perhaps ingredients for making records? Alcohol for mixing with flaked shellac for phonograph cabinets? Anybody happen to know or hazard a guess? I don't entertain a way to host photos right now, but if anyone needs to see the picture I can snap a digital and e-mail it to you off list. What a cool hobby with all its endless grooves! : ) Edward **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) From john9...@pacbell.net Sat Apr 19 14:53:36 2008 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sat Apr 19 14:53:56 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola XVI L Door Phonograph Help! Message-ID: 59908.77350...@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com Hello all A correspondent of mine has an L-Door with an unusual piece of hardware on it - can anyone idenify it? Lookst like a dancing doll attachment or something..note the little wheel... Also she needs a tonearm and reproducer for the Victrola. Can anyone help or guide us to help? You can see the pics at http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Victrola%20XVI%20L-Door/ Thanks John Robles From plav...@gmail.com Sat Apr 19 15:22:12 2008 From: plav...@gmail.com (Robert Plavzic) Date: Sat Apr 19 15:22:37 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola XVI L Door Phonograph Help! In-Reply-To: 59908.77350...@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com References: 59908.77350...@web83005.mail.mud.yahoo.com Message-ID: bc2ea8740804191522w628a92c3nd4ef6cae0e438...@mail.gmail.com Hello Looks like an early attempt at an automatic brake. An attachment on the tone arm would touch something on this mecanism causing the brake to engage. (one would of course have to cock it as one began the record.) In one of the pics (P4180108.jpg ) the brake is clearly seen. Also it is positioned strategically where the tone arm would be. Rob On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:53 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: Hello all A correspondent of mine has an L-Door with an unusual piece of hardware on it - can anyone idenify it? Lookst like a dancing doll attachment or something..note the little wheel... Also she needs a tonearm and reproducer for the Victrola. Can anyone help or guide us to help? You can see the pics at http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Victrola%20XVI%20L-Door/ Thanks John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From john9...@pacbell.net Sat Apr 19 16:37:23 2008 From: john9...@pacbell.net (john robles) Date: Sat Apr 19 16:37:42 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Victrola XVI L Door Phonograph Help! In-Reply-To: bc2ea8740804191522w628a92c3nd4ef6cae0e438...@mail.gmail.com Message-ID: 625619.57321...@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com Interesting. Not a Victor product, I am guessing? Robert Plavzic plav...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Looks like an early attempt at an automatic brake. An attachment on the tone arm would touch something on this mecanism causing the brake to engage. (one would of course have to cock it as one began the record.) In one of the pics (P4180108.jpg ) the brake is clearly seen. Also it is positioned strategically where the tone arm would be. Rob On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:53 PM, john robles wrote: Hello all A correspondent of mine has an L-Door with an
[Phono-L] Triumph on eBay
Last night I told my wife that while everyone was watching the Superbowl (I'm not a sports fan), I was going shopping on eBay. In my search, I found a magnificent unrestored but clean Model F Triumph that had been listed just a short time earlier. It had an oak cygnet horn, O reproducer, and sat on its original drawer-front cylinder cabinet with carved claw feet that was chock full of assorted cylinders. I saw at least one maroon opera box in a photo of one of the open drawers. Something highly unusual . . . the umbrella signature/Trade Mark decal that is typically on the front carriage support casting was instead affixed to the rear casting! The whole shooting match had a Buy It Now of $3500. I told my wife I was buying something on eBay. She asked, What? I replied, I'll tell you as soon as I hit the Buy It Now button. I hit the button, the page reloaded and . . . I wasn't the buyer!!! Someone else must have hit it a second ahead of me. It took me a couple of hours to get over my disappointment. Did anyone happen to see that beautiful Triumph? The seller was unwilling to ship, so on the bright side, it saved me a trip to New Jersey!John From msprin...@juno.com Mon Feb 4 16:07:49 2008 From: msprin...@juno.com (Merle Sprinzen) Date: Mon Feb 4 16:12:14 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Idelia on eBay Message-ID: 20080204.191024.3560.44.msprin...@juno.com Item number 200195851628. I'm very suspicious about the bidding pattern. Looks like h**9 stopped at just the time he knew the winner had maxed out his bid. This is exactly the reason I use esnipe to place my bids. On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:40:16 -0800 Peter Fraser pjfra...@alamedanet.net writes: Missed that! Does anyone have the item number? Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Feb 4, 2008, at 9:07 AM, wilenz...@bellsouth.net wrote: Guess y'all saw that the Idelia on eBay sold for $31,100. Nice machine and price, but not quite as nice as the one Guido sold just two years ago this month for $41,100. The market may be soft, but rare machines are doing ok, as always. Ray ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From wilenz...@bellsouth.net Mon Feb 4 16:21:56 2008 From: wilenz...@bellsouth.net (wilenz...@bellsouth.net) Date: Mon Feb 4 16:22:21 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Idelia on eBay References: ce4.27b8026f.34d8e...@aol.com 001c01c8677e$25452d90$c801a...@albert Message-ID: 000b01c8678d$1f86d980$6101a...@wilenzick I would like to see production numbers as well. However, Terry Baer, who has done considerable research into known Ideals/Idelias, said last year that his records indicated some 59 machines in existence today. This breaks down into 21 Ideals, 10 model B Idelias, 1 C, 22 D's, and 5 E's. Perhaps he knows of more now, including the one that just sold. So these machines really are not all that rare after all. But as we all know, rarity does not necessarily correlate with value or desirability. Ray - Original Message - From: Albert cen...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Idelia on eBay They cannot be that rare. There are at least four of them here in Oregon, and most of the collections out of state I have viewed have one. I sure would like to see production numbers. Albert - Original Message - From: zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Idelia on eBay BREKAS AUCTION A FEW YEARS AGO SOLD ONE FOR 40 K ALSO HOW MANY OF US HAVE idelias out of curiousity i know terry baer did a study on them zono In a message dated 2/4/2008 12:14:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wilenz...@bellsouth.net writes: Guess y'all saw that the Idelia on eBay sold for $31,100. Nice machine and price, but not quite as nice as the one Guido sold just two years ago this month for $41,100. The market may be soft, but rare machines are doing ok, as always. Ray ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph on eBay
YES! I saw it too...but it wasn't me who bought it, even though I could've made the trip to NJ. The $3500 (or close to it) price tag unfortunately kept me away I should be happy anyway, my new D-2 is well on its way to being finished and I just got a nice six drawer Herzog cabinet in oak to set it on. I guess not all is bad in my 'hood these days! Sean -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of John Maeder Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:08 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay Last night I told my wife that while everyone was watching the Superbowl (I'm not a sports fan), I was going shopping on eBay. In my search, I found a magnificent unrestored but clean Model F Triumph that had been listed just a short time earlier. It had an oak cygnet horn, O reproducer, and sat on its original drawer-front cylinder cabinet with carved claw feet that was chock full of assorted cylinders. I saw at least one maroon opera box in a photo of one of the open drawers. Something highly unusual . . . the umbrella signature/Trade Mark decal that is typically on the front carriage support casting was instead affixed to the rear casting! The whole shooting match had a Buy It Now of $3500. I told my wife I was buying something on eBay. She asked, What? I replied, I'll tell you as soon as I hit the Buy It Now button. I hit the button, the page reloaded and . . . I wasn't the buyer!!! Someone else must have hit it a second ahead of me. It took me a couple of hours to get over my disappointment. Did anyone happen to see that beautiful Triumph? The seller was unwilling to ship, so on the bright side, it saved me a trip to New Jersey!John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph on eBay
I believe it is ebay # 270209025105. Any guesses as to why the Edison signature is on the back? Can you tell us the item number so we can do a search and see it? - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l To: phono-l at oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay Last night I told my wife that while everyone was watching the Superbowl (I'm not a sports fan), I was going shopping on eBay. In my search, I found a magnificent unrestored but clean Model F Triumph that had been listed just a short time earlier. It had an oak cygnet horn, O reproducer, and sat on its original drawer-front cylinder cabinet with carved claw feet that was chock full of assorted cylinders. I saw at least one maroon opera box in a photo of one of the open drawers. Something highly unusual . . . the umbrella signature/Trade Mark decal that is typically on the front carriage support casting was instead affixed to the rear casting! The whole shooting match had a Buy It Now of $3500. I told my wife I was buying something on eBay. She asked, What? I replied, I'll tell you as soon as I hit the Buy It Now button. I hit the button, the page reloaded and . . . I wasn't the buyer!!! Someone else must have hit it a second ahead of me. It took me a couple of hours to get over my disappointment. Did anyone happen to see that beautiful Triumph? The seller was unwilling to ship, so on the bright side, it saved me a trip to New Jersey!John
[Phono-L] Triumph on eBay
I deleted the auction from my watched list in exasperation after it ended. I wish I would have kept it now! John From: rvu...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:06:07 -0500 Can you tell us the item number so we can do a search and see it? - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay Last night I told my wife that while everyone was watching the Superbowl (I'm not a sports fan), I was going shopping on eBay. In my search, I found a magnificent unrestored but clean Model F Triumph that had been listed just a short time earlier. It had an oak cygnet horn, O reproducer, and sat on its original drawer-front cylinder cabinet with carved claw feet that was chock full of assorted cylinders. I saw at least one maroon opera box in a photo of one of the open drawers. Something highly unusual . . . the umbrella signature/Trade Mark decal that is typically on the front carriage support casting was instead affixed to the rear casting! The whole shooting match had a Buy It Now of $3500. I told my wife I was buying something on eBay. She asked, What? I replied, I'll tell you as soon as I hit the Buy It Now button. I hit the button, the page reloaded and . . . I wasn't the buyer!!! Someone else must have hit it a second ahead of me. It took me a couple of hours to get over my disappointment. Did anyone happen to see that beautiful Triumph? The seller was unwilling to ship, so on the bright side, it saved me a trip to New Jersey!John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From appywan...@hotmail.com Mon Feb 4 18:36:09 2008 From: appywan...@hotmail.com (John Maeder) Date: Mon Feb 4 18:37:48 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay In-Reply-To: 01c8679e$74ff4800$6401a...@gap References: 01c8679e$74ff4800$6401a...@gap Message-ID: blu112-w165a078a872c6b180453fadc...@phx.gbl Yup . . . that was the one. John From: jpis...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:26:04 -0500 I believe it is ebay # 270209025105. Any guesses as to why the Edison signature is on the back? Can you tell us the item number so we can do a search and see it? - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywander at hotmail.com http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l To: phono-l at oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay Last night I told my wife that while everyone was watching the Superbowl (I'm not a sports fan), I was going shopping on eBay. In my search, I found a magnificent unrestored but clean Model F Triumph that had been listed just a short time earlier. It had an oak cygnet horn, O reproducer, and sat on its original drawer-front cylinder cabinet with carved claw feet that was chock full of assorted cylinders. I saw at least one maroon opera box in a photo of one of the open drawers. Something highly unusual . . . the umbrella signature/Trade Mark decal that is typically on the front carriage support casting was instead affixed to the rear casting! The whole shooting match had a Buy It Now of $3500. I told my wife I was buying something on eBay. She asked, What? I replied, I'll tell you as soon as I hit the Buy It Now button. I hit the button, the page reloaded and . . . I wasn't the buyer!!! Someone else must have hit it a second ahead of me. It took me a couple of hours to get over my disappointment. Did anyone happen to see that beautiful Triumph? The seller was unwilling to ship, so on the bright side, it saved me a trip to New Jersey!John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From jpis...@cox.net Mon Feb 4 18:14:46 2008 From: jpis...@cox.net (John Pisano) Date: Mon Feb 4 18:56:46 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Crystola For Sale Message-ID: 01c8679c$e0ecbef0$6401a...@gap I have a Crystola phonograph for sale if anyone is interested. It is a mahogany upright with a beveled glass internal horn. The new owner would probably want to refinish the case and it is missing the grill. I assume it was taken off in order to view the interesting glass horn. Besides that, it is complete. I'm asking $300.00 for it. I haven't gotten around to taking pictures of it yet. Feel free to e-mail me if you are interested. jpis...@cox.net. It will need to be picked up in Northern Virginia. If you do come out, I'm cleaning my basement and have lots of fixer uppers - you might find something else to buy as well
[Phono-L] Triumph on eBay
That is the correct #. They also have other listings on the same page for Edison Triumph cylinders, bedplates, etc. From the Desk of Kat Hall Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) Review Coordinator www.champagnebooks.com -- From: John Pisano jpis...@cox.net Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:26 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay I believe it is ebay # 270209025105. Any guesses as to why the Edison signature is on the back? Can you tell us the item number so we can do a search and see it? - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywander at hotmail.com http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l To: phono-l at oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay Last night I told my wife that while everyone was watching the Superbowl (I'm not a sports fan), I was going shopping on eBay. In my search, I found a magnificent unrestored but clean Model F Triumph that had been listed just a short time earlier. It had an oak cygnet horn, O reproducer, and sat on its original drawer-front cylinder cabinet with carved claw feet that was chock full of assorted cylinders. I saw at least one maroon opera box in a photo of one of the open drawers. Something highly unusual . . . the umbrella signature/Trade Mark decal that is typically on the front carriage support casting was instead affixed to the rear casting! The whole shooting match had a Buy It Now of $3500. I told my wife I was buying something on eBay. She asked, What? I replied, I'll tell you as soon as I hit the Buy It Now button. I hit the button, the page reloaded and . . . I wasn't the buyer!!! Someone else must have hit it a second ahead of me. It took me a couple of hours to get over my disappointment. Did anyone happen to see that beautiful Triumph? The seller was unwilling to ship, so on the bright side, it saved me a trip to New Jersey!John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph on eBay
270209025105 Finish looks a bit weathered and the metal parts look rusty. - Original Message - From: Bob rvu...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay Can you tell us the item number so we can do a search and see it? .org From glast...@comcast.net Mon Feb 4 20:36:17 2008 From: glast...@comcast.net (George Glastris) Date: Mon Feb 4 20:43:41 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay In-Reply-To: 01c8679e$74ff4800$6401a...@gap References: 01c8679e$74ff4800$6401a...@gap Message-ID: f185d743460ea79eab2efcd81...@glastrispc I once had a Triumph G with the signature on the back as well. I wouldn't be surprised if someone at the factory was new, was told to put the decals on a batch but not where, did it, and they couldn't be bothered fixing it! Since sales were so low they just left them the way they were. George - Original Message - From: John Pisano jpis...@cox.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay I believe it is ebay # 270209025105. Any guesses as to why the Edison signature is on the back? Can you tell us the item number so we can do a search and see it? - Original Message - From: John Maeder appywander at hotmail.com http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l To: phono-l at oldcrank.org http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo/phono-l Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:07 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph on eBay Last night I told my wife that while everyone was watching the Superbowl (I'm not a sports fan), I was going shopping on eBay. In my search, I found a magnificent unrestored but clean Model F Triumph that had been listed just a short time earlier. It had an oak cygnet horn, O reproducer, and sat on its original drawer-front cylinder cabinet with carved claw feet that was chock full of assorted cylinders. I saw at least one maroon opera box in a photo of one of the open drawers. Something highly unusual . . . the umbrella signature/Trade Mark decal that is typically on the front carriage support casting was instead affixed to the rear casting! The whole shooting match had a Buy It Now of $3500. I told my wife I was buying something on eBay. She asked, What? I replied, I'll tell you as soon as I hit the Buy It Now button. I hit the button, the page reloaded and . . . I wasn't the buyer!!! Someone else must have hit it a second ahead of me. It took me a couple of hours to get over my disappointment. Did anyone happen to see that beautiful Triumph? The seller was unwilling to ship, so on the bright side, it saved me a trip to New Jersey!John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Triumph
Gee! If it has been setting a long time you just snap a picture of it. The last day of the auction if it is still in the shop you put a hold on it. Ever see those eBay auctions that are closed by the seller with this item no longer available I don't think anyone should do this. Does it happen? Yep! Mike Oldcranky From loran Tue May 25 10:59:47 2004 From: loran (Loran T. Hughes) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:41 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] [Fwd: piano 78s] Message-ID: 1085500483.2454.0.ca...@oemcomputer.local If you have information or leads, please reply directly to Dr Mason. Loran
[Phono-L] Triumph Pricing
Hello, I am looking to sell an Edison Triumph model D in very nice condition with an original Cygnet crane and an Oak Music Master Cygnet Horn. It has a flat carriage with a Model O reproducer. What would be a fair price to ask for this item? Thanks for the help (I am a Victor freak... so Edison's are sparse in my collection). Vince
[Phono-L] Triumph Pricing - correction
Leave it to a Victor person to mess up the Triumph description!! Here are pictures if anyone has an interest. http://home.comcast.net/~vtm12/triumph.html Thanks, Vince - Original Message - From: Vince Capobianco vt...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phon...@oldcrank.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 4:23 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Triumph Pricing Hello, I am looking to sell an Edison Triumph model D in very nice condition with an original Cygnet crane and an Oak Music Master Cygnet Horn. It has a flat carriage with a Model O reproducer. What would be a fair price to ask for this item? Thanks for the help (I am a Victor freak... so Edison's are sparse in my collection). Vince ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] Triumph D2 ID plate
Hi, Does the Triumph D2 say D2 on the ID plate? I have never seen on yet. Thanks, Steve
[Phono-L] Triumph D2 ID plate
hi dave yes it does have the designation on the id i have a d-2 and it is a straight horn and not a cygnet also rob From steve_noreen Sat Jul 24 13:46:19 2004 From: steve_noreen (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:10:47 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Toot Your Own Horn / was Ebay plug on Edison Machine References: 15c.39e96dc3.2e316...@aol.com Message-ID: bay4-dav34gqqwdl15800052...@hotmail.com Hi Al, I agree. Did you rebuild the S on your F? Steve By all means get the word out that such a nice condition rare machine is up for eBay auction. I have purchased a number of items that were mentioned on Phono-L when I have missed them on the eBay search. Posting on Phono-L has the added advantage of getting to some very serious collectors first and they can run to check their bank balances though some of us have plenty of money and nothing left to collect.;-) The Model F Standard on page 129 of The Edison Cylinder Companion and page 61 of the Frow Sefl book is my machine. The larger diaphragm of a properly rebuilt S Reproducer has a great sound with the Cygnet horn. If you are going to have just one Edison Standard in your collection, this one is it! Best wishes to all on the list, may all your finds be rare ones, Al Flatulus Antiquitus ___ Phono-l mailing list phon...@oldcrank.com http://mail.oldcrank.com/mailman/listinfo/phono-l_oldcrank.com
[Phono-L] Triumph D2 ID plate
Hi Rob, Thanks, I thought it must have the D2 designation, but I have never seen one so I really appreciate your reply. Do you have the straight 12 panel triumph horn? My model E came with a 12 panel triumph cygnet horn, someone took the 12 panel triumph bell and put a cygnet fitting on it and it turned out very nice, I did not notice at first until I saw the decal and the regular suspension fitting loop. Steve hi dave yes it does have the designation on the id i have a d-2 and it is a straight horn and not a cygnet also rob
