Re: [PHP] free allocated memory: HOW ?
ok, the complete workflow is a little bit complicated. we are using a workflow engine and the newsletter generator is one step of three. the first cleans the statistics data, the second generates the new data and the third is the one which generates the mails. Put this in between each line and see where your memory is jumping the most: error_log('in file ' . __FILE__ . ' at line ' . __LINE__ . '; memory usage is ' . number_format((memory_get_usage() / 1024), 4) . ' kb'); Once you've worked out the biggest jumps, fix them, then work on the next one and so on. It's going to be a lot quicker doing something like that over asking us to help you work out thousands of lines of code. -- Postgresql php tutorials http://www.designmagick.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] free allocated memory: HOW ?
Arthur Erdös wrote: It can if you're trying to process a borked image... I've had imagecreatefromjpeg() eat memory up to almost 50x the size of the image before finally deciding it can't handle it and crapping out. That was *after* running it through getimagesize() with no problem at all. okay - good point - but in this case the OP is reading in an html template file, just a string of 20.7Kb, what could go wrong there? this is probably one issue... the template is an HTML template containing images like img src=http://www.brainguide.com/xxx/. How does PHP handle this stuff? I suppose that it is just a string and the image at the URL is not really read, or am I wrong? It's just part of the string of content unless you do something special with it. -- Postgresql php tutorials http://www.designmagick.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
tedd wrote: this ain't the bad old days. That's debatable! -Stut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] free allocated memory: HOW ?
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2007-04-12 18:17:34 +0200: 3-4 seconds is dead slow if you ask me - a script like this should be capable of making the average mailserver go completely apeshit assuming you'd be mailing the newsletters out directly after creating them [rather than storing them in a db] (i.e. pumping out lots of emails a second] ... I know this because I have a qmail server that has trouble keeping up with my massmailer scripts. switch po Postfix, one problem fewer for you. -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
tedd wrote: At 7:41 PM +0100 4/12/07, Stut wrote: Yes you'll need to put in a bit more work, but the result will be that much better. -Stut Sorry Stut -- I know you know this, but it's more work to NOT use css. Not when you have a pre-made table-based layout already. -Stut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] free allocated memory: HOW ?
Am Freitag, den 13.04.2007, 16:03 +1000 schrieb Chris: ok, the complete workflow is a little bit complicated. we are using a workflow engine and the newsletter generator is one step of three. the first cleans the statistics data, the second generates the new data and the third is the one which generates the mails. Put this in between each line and see where your memory is jumping the most: error_log('in file ' . __FILE__ . ' at line ' . __LINE__ . '; memory usage is ' . number_format((memory_get_usage() / 1024), 4) . ' kb'); Once you've worked out the biggest jumps, fix them, then work on the next one and so on. It's going to be a lot quicker doing something like that over asking us to help you work out thousands of lines of code. sure, i just posted the code because i was asked to ;) i figured out the biggest jump (after reading the template) but could not fix it yet -.- thats why I asked a general question concerning php memory handling. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] free allocated memory: HOW ?
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2007-04-13 07:49:43 +0200: Just post your source already. ok, the complete workflow is a little bit complicated. we are using a workflow engine and the newsletter generator is one step of three. the first cleans the statistics data, the second generates the new data and the third is the one which generates the mails. here is the concerning method: aren't you suffering from fetching huge result sets? just a guess. -- How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb? You don't know, man. You don't KNOW. Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] free allocated memory: HOW ?
Arthur Erdös wrote: Am Freitag, den 13.04.2007, 16:03 +1000 schrieb Chris: ok, the complete workflow is a little bit complicated. we are using a workflow engine and the newsletter generator is one step of three. the first cleans the statistics data, the second generates the new data and the third is the one which generates the mails. Put this in between each line and see where your memory is jumping the most: error_log('in file ' . __FILE__ . ' at line ' . __LINE__ . '; memory usage is ' . number_format((memory_get_usage() / 1024), 4) . ' kb'); Once you've worked out the biggest jumps, fix them, then work on the next one and so on. It's going to be a lot quicker doing something like that over asking us to help you work out thousands of lines of code. sure, i just posted the code because i was asked to ;) i figured out the biggest jump (after reading the template) but could not fix it yet -.- Reading in the template should only happen once and take roughly as much memory as the file is big. If the file is 20k, memory should go up roughly by that much. If it's going up a lot more, something is going wrong (either you're doing something wrong or you're not just reading the template - you're doing something else along with that). -- Postgresql php tutorials http://www.designmagick.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
Dear Tedd, Please put me down for one pint of asshole, because while you sit on that glass pedestal of CSS superiority I can't help but notice how http://ancientstones.com/ looks completely fucked up in Opera. Opera I might add is ACID2 compliant. Now please go shove your better than thou CSS up your ass :) Trust me, I am at least as versed as you in CSS and choose to use tables. Cheers, Rob. On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 20:02 -0400, tedd wrote: At 6:31 PM -0500 4/12/07, Richard Lynch wrote: On Thu, April 12, 2007 1:34 pm, Robert Cummings wrote: ... It's too bad, I love CSS, it makes for really clean markup, but using it completely in place of tables just isn't feasible right now without resorting to CSS tricks. And using tricks is just as much against the spirit of CSS as using tables for layout :) While straying even more OT than usual, I must chime in with me too I cannot count the number of times I've seen CSS purists pull out gnarly disgusting hacks, far worse than any nested table layout, to work around browser incompatibilities. It would be nice if CSS actually let designers specify what they need to specify. [Can you say 3-column layout with page footer?] And if browsers actually implemented CSS correctly... But, really, CSS is still lacking in what seems to me some basic fundamentals in terms of being able to say put this thing here, and that thing there and you end up resorting to all kinds of non-intuitive code to get the look you want... Richard, you surprise me. CSS is like any other tool -- learn to use it and it will work. As far as any layout, if you can show an example it can be done in css. As far as replacing tables, CSS doesn't -- it provides tables even more versatility. Tables have their place, but not in layout. Lastly, one man's gnarly disgusting hack, is another man's way around a short coming of IE. How many times have you had to use javascript to accomplish a task instead of using just php? One could call that a gnarly disgusting hack, but it's just a solution. As this list proves, no language is without problems. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] free allocated memory: HOW ?
Reading in the template should only happen once and take roughly as much memory as the file is big. If the file is 20k, memory should go up roughly by that much. If it's going up a lot more, something is going wrong (either you're doing something wrong or you're not just reading the template - you're doing something else along with that). i completely agree with you ;) i will check if the template is really the reason for the big jump with logging the memory usage each line. apart from that, i am still wondering why the memory usage grows in each loop for about 30 megs... -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: WYSIWYG vs. the 'power-user'
It depends what did you want... For example. My current project uses own template engine. It was so simple. you have to use {} marked nodes inside of generic html document. You have to use text editor to update template file... Then guess what... Our HTML designers cring for dreamweaver support. Yes sure they are very capable html design (they can create better designs than me). And without dreamweaver their capacity was gone... In GUI mode you are connected to gui. Without it your knowladge was worthless... Depending some buttons and images make me sick. And if you there for doing someting to win your food, gui way is so much simpler. And if you there for walking to your way you have to know what happen inside to depend only yourself... Regards Sancar -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
I think I just read that PHP is ran as CGI on Dreamhost... this does not sound good. Can anyone confirm? What do you all think? Good? Bad? I have dealt with one other server that did this (PHP as CGI) and I hated it! I just bought a years worth of hosting... I have a trial period so I think I can still cancel. Should I stick with it or find a host that runs PHP under Apache? Please advise. (FYI: Using Expression Engine for CMS/blog -- I read that it is recommended to use EE with PHP not as CGI.) Many thanks in advance! Cheers, Micky -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
On 4/13/07, Micky Hulse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I just read that PHP is ran as CGI on Dreamhost... this does not sound good. Can anyone confirm? What do you all think? Good? Bad? I have dealt with one other server that did this (PHP as CGI) and I hated it! I just bought a years worth of hosting... I have a trial period so I think I can still cancel. Should I stick with it or find a host that runs PHP under Apache? Please advise. (FYI: Using Expression Engine for CMS/blog -- I read that it is recommended to use EE with PHP not as CGI.) Many thanks in advance! Cheers, Micky Google tells me that it is an optional feature to run PHP as CGI, default it is running under apache. Atleast that's what i found for dreamhost. Tijnema -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
Micky Hulse wrote: I think I just read that PHP is ran as CGI on Dreamhost... this does not sound good. Can anyone confirm? Found this: http://php.dreamhosters.com/ I guess I am just wondering what your thoughts are when it comes to running PHP as CGI? Good/Bad? Maybe I should not worry about it? Off-list replies are cool with me if this is a little OT. Thanks! M -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
Micky Hulse wrote: I think I just read that PHP is ran as CGI on Dreamhost... this does not sound good. Can anyone confirm? If you've got access to your account with them, you can confirm it yourself. Check the output of a phpinfo(). What do you all think? Good? Bad? Not *that* terrible at all, but if you've only been with Dreamhost for a few days you've got far worse things to experience yet IMHO (shoddy uptime, shoddy servers, shoddy network, etc) Should I stick with it or find a host that runs PHP under Apache? www.pair.com runs PHP 4 as an Apache Module, and are a superb host (I've used them since 1996) - but even better in the next few weeks they rollout PHP 5.2.1 as standard on all servers. Can't wait :) Cheers, Rich -- Zend Certified Engineer http://www.corephp.co.uk Never trust a computer you can't throw out of a window -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
Hi Tijnema! Thanks for the quick reply, I really appreciate the help. :) Tijnema ! wrote: Google tells me that it is an optional feature to run PHP as CGI, default it is running under apache. Atleast that's what i found for dreamhost. Ah, from what I am reading, it sounds like that used to be the option, and may still be a feature for older users... but (from what I understand, which is not much) PHP 5 is CGI only: DreamHost currently allows several PHP configurations. In the user Control Panel you can choose between PHP4 and PHP5 running as a CGI application (with optional FastCGI support). While it's no longer officially supported you currently still have the possibility to have PHP running as an Apache module (mod_php). Finally you have the option to compile your own custom PHP with the exact version of PHP you wish and with any module you require. http://php.dreamhosters.com/ Hmmm, I guess it sounds like I can setup things to use the Apache module, but they make it sound so evil: If one of those is a show-stopper for you, you can easily switch to running PHP as an Apache module and not CGI, but be prepared for a bunch of potential security and ease-of-use issues! http://blog.dreamhosters.com/kbase/index.cgi?area=2933 Looks like I have a ton of reading to do... Unfortunately I am more of a designer than I am a system administrator... so not sure if messing with PHP on my DH account is worth the headache. :( I have just had bad experiences in past with PHP as CGI... Not fun. Lol, well... Thanks Tijnema! I really appreciate your help on this one. ;) Have a great day/night! Cheers, M -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] scandir and ftp wrapper
I can think of only one reason why your test might be invalid: If you have already logged in to the FTP server from the browser, and the user:pass in the URL aren't the ones actually authenticating you, but the ones saved in the browser are the ones that let you in, you'd get the behaviour you have described. Seeems unlikely to be the cause, but quit the browser before your test to be sure. The ftp login details are definitely correct. I found another linux machine I have access to on which running the identical line of code on worked. That was a fc5 machine with the rpm'd version of apache and php. The problem showed up after I did the upgrade to 5.2.1 so the wrapper stuff worked before but now its just silently failing. I compile php from source so I wonder if its some compilation/configuration issue ? I did consider if it was a firewall/network issue as the other machine is on a completely different network but I can passively ftp to the ftp server using the linux command line ftp program You may also want to consider using http://php.net/ftp as a work-around, if this new-fangled FPT streams stuff just isn't working. Or even http://php.net/curl for that matter. I would like to avoid having to re-write the code using curl if possible. Cheers J.
Re: [PHP] free allocated memory: HOW ?
Roman Neuhauser wrote: # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2007-04-12 18:17:34 +0200: 3-4 seconds is dead slow if you ask me - a script like this should be capable of making the average mailserver go completely apeshit assuming you'd be mailing the newsletters out directly after creating them [rather than storing them in a db] (i.e. pumping out lots of emails a second] ... I know this because I have a qmail server that has trouble keeping up with my massmailer scripts. switch po Postfix, one problem fewer for you. yeah or exim, only I can't because it's one of the darn plesk servers - and changing out the mail server is not something I can do. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
On 4/13/07, Richard Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Micky Hulse wrote: I think I just read that PHP is ran as CGI on Dreamhost... this does not sound good. Can anyone confirm? If you've got access to your account with them, you can confirm it yourself. Check the output of a phpinfo(). What do you all think? Good? Bad? Not *that* terrible at all, but if you've only been with Dreamhost for a few days you've got far worse things to experience yet IMHO (shoddy uptime, shoddy servers, shoddy network, etc) Should I stick with it or find a host that runs PHP under Apache? www.pair.com runs PHP 4 as an Apache Module, and are a superb host (I've used them since 1996) - but even better in the next few weeks they rollout PHP 5.2.1 as standard on all servers. Can't wait :) Cheers, Rich I'm using www.dapx.com for my www sites. Setup is a pain in the ass there, it can take a few days before you get a reply. But once you got it, it's a really nice host. Nice speed, really 99.9% uptime, and not much limited stuff :) safe_mode is even turned off :) Tijnema -- Zend Certified Engineer http://www.corephp.co.uk Never trust a computer you can't throw out of a window -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: PHP editor
Jonathan Kahan wrote: Hi all, I beleive this is in the realm of php (I have learned my lesson from last time). Does anyone have recomendation for any free (I.E. permanently free not 30 day trial) of a good php editor. The ones i am seeing all only allow usage for a limited time. OMG - it must be a few days now since this question (in some form) was asked. This URL is listed on the PHP website Links page, but seeing you haven't found it there, here you go. http://www.midnighthax.com/phpeditors.php Cheers -- David Robley 2 bdrm furn w c/h, said Tom aptly. Today is Pungenday, the 30th day of Discord in the YOLD 3173. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP editor
Robert Cummings wrote: On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 10:30 -0500, Philip Thompson wrote: Obviously some people think this is NOT in the realm of php. Nonetheless, I think it's a relevant question and others have answered it well. Relevant sure... but the answers are in the frickin' archives several times over. Cheers, Rob. s/several/several thousand/ Cheers -- David Robley The girl's been kidnapped, said Tom mistakenly. Today is Pungenday, the 30th day of Discord in the YOLD 3173. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
Hi Richard! Thanks for the help, I really appreciate your time and advice. :) Richard Davey wrote: If you've got access to your account with them, you can confirm it yourself. Check the output of a phpinfo(). Ah, lol. Good call: Server API: CGI/FastCGI Virtual Directory Support: disabled Configuration File (php.ini) Path: /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini Looks like CGI to me, no? Sorry, server stuff is not my forte. Not *that* terrible at all, but if you've only been with Dreamhost for a few days you've got far worse things to experience yet IMHO (shoddy uptime, shoddy servers, shoddy network, etc) Lol, funny you should mention that... Within a few days of getting an account, my server went down with a bunch of other folks... I guess it was a DOS attack or something. www.pair.com runs PHP 4 as an Apache Module, and are a superb host (I've used them since 1996) - but even better in the next few weeks they rollout PHP 5.2.1 as standard on all servers. Can't wait :) Oooh, excellent. Actually, I had other folks suggest Pair too. Only reason why my client and I picked DH was the price. I guess I get what I pay for. Hmm, pair may be worth the extra $$. Do you think the Webmaster plan is decent for a small but soon-to-be growing site? http://www.pair.com/services/web_hosting/webmaster.html THanks again Richard! I greatly appreciate the help. ;) Cheers, M -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
Tijnema ! wrote: I'm using www.dapx.com for my www sites. Setup is a pain in the ass there, it can take a few days before you get a reply. But once you got it, it's a really nice host. Nice speed, really 99.9% uptime, and not much limited stuff :) safe_mode is even turned off :) Ah, thanks for the tip-off. Looking at what they offer now. I wish I had asked here first before buying hosting for a year from DH. Thanks again Tijnema. ;) Cheers, M -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: free allocated memory: HOW ?
Jochem Maas wrote: yeah or exim, only I can't because it's one of the darn plesk servers - and changing out the mail server is not something I can do. I have recently escaped Pleskhog day. It's s refreshing - so happy to just be given an apache config and let loose!!! Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] width and height of flash-files
Heiko Sudar wrote: hi, is there a way to get the width and the height of a flash movie via php? heiko What is this thread - see how many times a thread can be hijacked and go off topic before the thread nazi steps in? Oh wait, I've stepped in :-) Cheers -- David Robley Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects. Today is Pungenday, the 30th day of Discord in the YOLD 3173. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] width and height of flash-files
On 4/13/07, Heiko Sudar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, is there a way to get the width and the height of a flash movie via php? heiko Have a look at this class: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/file/6443.html It parses the header of an SWF(Flash) file, and it does also get height and width :) Tijnema -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
Micky Hulse wrote: Lol, funny you should mention that... Within a few days of getting an account, my server went down with a bunch of other folks... I guess it was a DOS attack or something. It will be the first of many :) Oh and hey... you'll soon experience the sporadic will it or won't it nature of their Control Panel loading too. I always loved that one. Oooh, excellent. Actually, I had other folks suggest Pair too. Only reason why my client and I picked DH was the price. I guess I get what I pay for. Abso-frigging-lutely. Hmm, pair may be worth the extra $$. Do you think the Webmaster plan is decent for a small but soon-to-be growing site? It will cope with your needs *easily* and the best thing about them - they can scale-up your account at any time, to whatever you need, as you grow. Some HUGE sites are hosted comfortably on Pair. Even php.net ;) Cheers, Rich -- Zend Certified Engineer http://www.corephp.co.uk Never trust a computer you can't throw out of a window -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: free allocated memory: HOW ?
Colin Guthrie wrote: Jochem Maas wrote: yeah or exim, only I can't because it's one of the darn plesk servers - and changing out the mail server is not something I can do. I have recently escaped Pleskhog day. It's s refreshing - so ROFL. if it's all the same 'Pleskhogday' is going into my arsenal of glib comments, ready for the next late night plesk-initiated server madness. happy to just be given an apache config and let loose!!! Col -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Download multiple sound files?
Richard Lynch wrote: On Thu, April 12, 2007 11:15 am, Skip Evans wrote: I have a need to allow a user to download multiple sound files (mp3s, typically) from a single link. I've been looking at various solutions via Google, but have not seen one yet to do this. Can anyone point me in the right direction or give me a lead on how this can be done? The HTTP protocol simply does not allow what you describe, at least not exactly -- There is one, and only one, download/response to one HTTP request. Some things you can consider: Use exec with tar (or zip or tar + gzip or whatever) to create a single file to download, with all the MP3s in it. This requires the user to use WinZip (or similar) to unpack the files. Create a playlist by concatenating a bunch of URLs to audio files. basically a podcast. imho if you offer a zip (maybe a self-extracting zip) *and* a podcast of each set of mp3s you'd have a clean and user friendly interface ... ofcourse you'll still have to convince the PHB, but that's your problem ;-). They won't have downloads of the audio files, unless they choose to use wget -i on that file, or something similar, but it does make for a nice way to group a bunch of audio files in a way that most users know how to deal with. You could, in theory, write some nasty JavaScript that would start a download, and a META tag to take them to the next file, so that the browser would essentially visit each file to be downloaded in turn, via JS and META tags. This would suck pretty bad, imho, but it's possible. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: width and height of flash-files
Tijnema ! wrote: On 4/13/07, Heiko Sudar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, is there a way to get the width and the height of a flash movie via php? heiko Have a look at this class: http://www.phpclasses.org/browse/file/6443.html It parses the header of an SWF(Flash) file, and it does also get height and width :) Tijnema AFAIK, the built in getimagesize() parses .swf too http://uk3.php.net/manual/en/function.getimagesize.php Col. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Cheap Ping
HI I am trying to find a simple way to test to see if a web site is up or not. What about analyzing the results from exec(ping www.domain.ext); ? -- Leonard Burton, N9URK http://www.jiffyslides.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The prolonged evacuation would have dramatically affected the survivability of the occupants. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
Nice observation. On 4/13/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Tedd, Please put me down for one pint of asshole, because while you sit on that glass pedestal of CSS superiority I can't help but notice how http://ancientstones.com/ looks completely fucked up in Opera. Opera I might add is ACID2 compliant. Now please go shove your better than thou CSS up your ass :) Trust me, I am at least as versed as you in CSS and choose to use tables. Cheers, Rob. On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 20:02 -0400, tedd wrote: At 6:31 PM -0500 4/12/07, Richard Lynch wrote: On Thu, April 12, 2007 1:34 pm, Robert Cummings wrote: ... It's too bad, I love CSS, it makes for really clean markup, but using it completely in place of tables just isn't feasible right now without resorting to CSS tricks. And using tricks is just as much against the spirit of CSS as using tables for layout :) While straying even more OT than usual, I must chime in with me too I cannot count the number of times I've seen CSS purists pull out gnarly disgusting hacks, far worse than any nested table layout, to work around browser incompatibilities. It would be nice if CSS actually let designers specify what they need to specify. [Can you say 3-column layout with page footer?] And if browsers actually implemented CSS correctly... But, really, CSS is still lacking in what seems to me some basic fundamentals in terms of being able to say put this thing here, and that thing there and you end up resorting to all kinds of non-intuitive code to get the look you want... Richard, you surprise me. CSS is like any other tool -- learn to use it and it will work. As far as any layout, if you can show an example it can be done in css. As far as replacing tables, CSS doesn't -- it provides tables even more versatility. Tables have their place, but not in layout. Lastly, one man's gnarly disgusting hack, is another man's way around a short coming of IE. How many times have you had to use javascript to accomplish a task instead of using just php? One could call that a gnarly disgusting hack, but it's just a solution. As this list proves, no language is without problems. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `'
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
On 4/13/07, Richard Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Micky Hulse wrote: Lol, funny you should mention that... Within a few days of getting an account, my server went down with a bunch of other folks... I guess it was a DOS attack or something. It will be the first of many :) Oh and hey... you'll soon experience the sporadic will it or won't it nature of their Control Panel loading too. I always loved that one. Oooh, excellent. Actually, I had other folks suggest Pair too. Only reason why my client and I picked DH was the price. I guess I get what I pay for. Abso-frigging-lutely. Hmm, pair may be worth the extra $$. Do you think the Webmaster plan is decent for a small but soon-to-be growing site? It will cope with your needs *easily* and the best thing about them - they can scale-up your account at any time, to whatever you need, as you grow. Some HUGE sites are hosted comfortably on Pair. Even php.net ;) Cheers, Rich -- Zend Certified Engineer http://www.corephp.co.uk Have a look at www.hub.org. They host PostgreSQL world wide, you get a virtual machine, not a virtual host, and they are v. helpful in setting up software. Miles
RE: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
CSS is young, it will mature in time, meanwhile to each his own layout manner. I see what you are saying Rob, (yes the BUT) BUT table are orginally for formatting data in a litteral manner and css is for layout. Personally i have a heck of time getting embedded tables to do the job for me especially when mixed with javascript (then again i am not using any click and go make your site program, and am NOT saying you are, just that generating the layout with php i find easier with embedded divs doing divdiv/div/div rather then tabletrtdtabletrtd/td/tr/table/td/tr/table and not mentionning the easy of using div classe rather then table/tr/td classes...). I found css to be really helpfull in all my designs with essentially no hacks for cross-browser compatiblity (ie6 ie7 ff1 ff2) which are the 80%+ browsers on the market today. Eggh, maybe i should try opening one of my sites in OPERA one of these days so i can cry :P But then again i don't guarantee they work on any other then the stated browsers and my clients are fine with that... So far.. I see your point and understand fully.. Hopefully css will evolve into a purely compatible layout facilitation for web designers/programmers in the future, so far it has made my day and my UNTable sites are quite clean, and hopefully it will make yours someday ;) Oh and guys, since when is their ONE good way of doing things??? The only thing i regret here is the violence some of these posts take :) Isn't the world full of it already? Can't we tone it down in here where their is some resemblance of peace? ;) Regards, Tim -Message d'origine- De : Jarrel Cobb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 13 avril 2007 15:24 À : Robert Cummings Cc : tedd; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jochem Maas; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer! Nice observation. On 4/13/07, Robert Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Tedd, Please put me down for one pint of asshole, because while you sit on that glass pedestal of CSS superiority I can't help but notice how http://ancientstones.com/ looks completely fucked up in Opera. Opera I might add is ACID2 compliant. Now please go shove your better than thou CSS up your ass :) Trust me, I am at least as versed as you in CSS and choose to use tables. Cheers, Rob. On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 20:02 -0400, tedd wrote: At 6:31 PM -0500 4/12/07, Richard Lynch wrote: On Thu, April 12, 2007 1:34 pm, Robert Cummings wrote: ... It's too bad, I love CSS, it makes for really clean markup, but using it completely in place of tables just isn't feasible right now without resorting to CSS tricks. And using tricks is just as much against the spirit of CSS as using tables for layout :) While straying even more OT than usual, I must chime in with me too I cannot count the number of times I've seen CSS purists pull out gnarly disgusting hacks, far worse than any nested table layout, to work around browser incompatibilities. It would be nice if CSS actually let designers specify what they need to specify. [Can you say 3-column layout with page footer?] And if browsers actually implemented CSS correctly... But, really, CSS is still lacking in what seems to me some basic fundamentals in terms of being able to say put this thing here, and that thing there and you end up resorting to all kinds of non-intuitive code to get the look you want... Richard, you surprise me. CSS is like any other tool -- learn to use it and it will work. As far as any layout, if you can show an example it can be done in css. As far as replacing tables, CSS doesn't -- it provides tables even more versatility. Tables have their place, but not in layout. Lastly, one man's gnarly disgusting hack, is another man's way around a short coming of IE. How many times have you had to use javascript to accomplish a task instead of using just php? One could call that a gnarly disgusting hack, but it's just a solution. As this list proves, no language is without problems. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | a | powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | such as | forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe,
[PHP] IE6 PHP
Hi all, I have a bunch of thumbnail images that link to larger versions of the images and want to line them up in rows across the screen , using CSS I put them into a separate DIV. To get them to line up horizontally across the window I use CSS to FLOAT each DIV to the left, CSS looks like this: div.float { float: left; } and the HTML : div class=floatimg srcimage.jpg.../br //div Firefox and Netscape show the thumbnails in rows like this: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] but in IE6 there is a problem , the first row is O.K. but the second ant the third rows are not O.K. it looks like this: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] please comment - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
At 3:17 AM -0400 4/13/07, Robert Cummings wrote: Dear Tedd, Please put me down for one pint of asshole, because while you sit on that glass pedestal of CSS superiority I can't help but notice how http://ancientstones.com/ looks completely fucked up in Opera. Opera I might add is ACID2 compliant. Now please go shove your better than thou CSS up your ass :) Trust me, I am at least as versed as you in CSS and choose to use tables. Cheers, Rob. Dear Rob: It's not a question of CSS superiority -- but rather a matter of best practice. You want to use a screw driver to drive a nail, then fine -- but some of us do know better. You pointed out that my http://ancientstones.com was not appearing as it should and you were right. I had made some minor changes and did not check Opera. However, the fix was a single line of code and it took me less than a minute to find it -- try that with tables. I'm not saying any of this because of any better than thou attitude, but rather because it's true. If you don't want to consider what I have to say, then fine, no skin off my nose. But I do know this, I listen to what you have to say about php because you know what you're talking about. But in this case, my friend, we differ greatly. You want to stick with tables then fine, but if you are as well versed as I am in CSS, then you know that using tables for layout is more costly in overall development, maintenance, sales, and accessibility. To me and my clients, those things matter. Concepts like separating content from presentation, graceful degradation and progressive enhancement are not just phrases one imagined so they could sit on a glass pedestal and look down on everyone else. They are practices that work and are far more reaching than WYSIWYG table layouts. Cheers, tedd PS: Meant, or not, no offense taken -- I do enjoy your colorful manner. :-) -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PHP RAD framework
Any recommendation? Smarty Templates help a bit, but still need lots of coding... -- .~. Might, Courage, Vision, SINCERITY. http://www.linux-sxs.org / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! May the Force and Farce be with you! /( _ )\ (Ubuntu 6.10) Linux 2.6.20.6 ^ ^ 22:26:01 up 6 days 5:17 0 users load average: 1.00 1.03 1.00 news://news.3home.net news://news.hkpcug.org news://news.newsgroup.com.hk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE6 PHP
elk dolk wrote: I have a bunch of thumbnail images that link to larger versions of the images and want to line them up in rows across the screen , using CSS I put them into a separate DIV. To get them to line up horizontally across the window I use CSS to FLOAT each DIV to the left, CSS looks like this: [snip] please comment This is absolutely nothing to do with PHP. You'd be better off posting to a CSS list. Cheers, Rich -- Zend Certified Engineer http://www.corephp.co.uk Never trust a computer you can't throw out of a window -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: Re: WYSIWYG vs. the 'power-user'
Sancar said: It depends what did you want... For example. My current project uses own template engine. It was so simple. you have to use {} marked nodes inside of generic html document. You have to use text editor to update template file... Then guess what... Our HTML designers cring for dreamweaver support. Yes sure they are very capable html design (they can create better designs than me). And without dreamweaver their capacity was gone... In GUI mode you are connected to gui. Without it your knowladge was worthless... Depending some buttons and images make me sick. And if you there for doing someting to win your food, gui way is so much simpler. And if you there for walking to your way you have to know what happen inside to depend only yourself... Regards Sancar Hey Sancar: I agree with your view. It seems to work for you. There are ones reading the php lists that pray for the knowledge to be a great php coder and or web designer like the ones they see out there on the web. If you know HTML 4.01 inside and out(which is not so time consuming as this is not a programming languge, its a markup language) the GUI is a wonderful tool that quickly composes a page. So use the GUI's all you want knowing what they really are. Do whatever it takes to make your project come together. Thank you Sancar for your experience. Blessings, Chetan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
At 8:39 PM -0400 4/12/07, Jarrel Cobb wrote: If you're striving to be the best front end developer you can be then yes, by all means, use pure CSS for layout and never use tools like DW but thats not everyone's goal. Fair enough. My complaint here is not what anyone chooses to do/use but rather what they claim to be. If people are claiming to be the leading edge of web development and are still stuck in using tables for layout, then I find fault with that because using tables that way is certainly not leading edge. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] IE6 PHP
-Message d'origine- De : elk dolk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 13 avril 2007 16:16 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [PHP] IE6 PHP Hi all, I have a bunch of thumbnail images that link to larger versions of the images and want to line them up in rows across the screen , using CSS I put them into a separate DIV. To get them to line up horizontally across the window I use CSS to FLOAT each DIV to the left, CSS looks like this: div.float { float: left; } First off i wouldnt give a class name float rather my_float, i don't know for sure if its a conflict but i always assume it may be and avoid it.. and the HTML : div class=floatimg srcimage.jpg.../br //div Firefox and Netscape show the thumbnails in rows like this: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] but in IE6 there is a problem , the first row is O.K. but the second ant the third rows are not O.K. it looks like this: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] please comment Have you tried adding borders to that div ie: border: 1px solid black; To actually see what the div's are doing, that is the basic debugging method i uses on all my divs when i can't get something to fit (beware of the border adding 1px on all sides if you are using fixed size div's). Second i found that by floating all sub-elements of a float element you will end up tearing less hair out then you would by mixing non float elements with float elements, try giving that img a float:left style and see what happens... Also what is that br doing there? Could you give more code onhow you are generating this thumbnail table? Regards, Tim Funny, you mentionned you css problem in the middle of a css shitstorm here :P -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] IE6 PHP
Oh and if it really is a pure css problem try a css list ;) -Message d'origine- De : elk dolk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 13 avril 2007 16:16 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [PHP] IE6 PHP Hi all, I have a bunch of thumbnail images that link to larger versions of the images and want to line them up in rows across the screen , using CSS I put them into a separate DIV. To get them to line up horizontally across the window I use CSS to FLOAT each DIV to the left, CSS looks like this: div.float { float: left; } and the HTML : div class=floatimg srcimage.jpg.../br //div Firefox and Netscape show the thumbnails in rows like this: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] but in IE6 there is a problem , the first row is O.K. but the second ant the third rows are not O.K. it looks like this: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] please comment - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
Tim wrote: ... Oh and guys, since when is their ONE good way of doing things??? The only thing i regret here is the violence some of these posts take :) Isn't the world full of it already? Can't we tone it down in here where their is some resemblance of peace? ;) oh, the world is definitely full of 'it'. do consider that peace and violence are in essence opposites, you can hold to the concept of one without also conceptualizing (and thereby giving credance to) the other. what your searching for is not to be found in such dualistic crap. peacepipe in one hand, broadsword in the other - lets hack on :-) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
-Message d'origine- De : Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 13 avril 2007 16:32 À : Tim Cc : 'Jarrel Cobb'; 'Robert Cummings'; 'tedd'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer! Tim wrote: ... Oh and guys, since when is their ONE good way of doing things??? The only thing i regret here is the violence some of these posts take :) Isn't the world full of it already? Can't we tone it down in here where their is some resemblance of peace? ;) oh, the world is definitely full of 'it'. do consider that peace and violence are in essence opposites, you can hold to the concept of one without also conceptualizing (and thereby giving credance to) the other. what your searching for is not to be found in such dualistic crap. peacepipe in one hand, broadsword in the other - lets hack on :-) ***BIG SMILE*** Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
At 4:05 PM +0200 4/13/07, Tim wrote: The only thing i regret here is the violence some of these posts take :) Isn't the world full of it already? Can't we tone it down in here where their is some resemblance of peace? ;) Tim Tim: Don't worry about it. This manner is common for this list -- just because someone tells you to shove it, doesn't mean you have to. :-) Besides, it fun. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
-Message d'origine- De : tedd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 13 avril 2007 16:37 À : Tim; 'Jarrel Cobb'; 'Robert Cummings' Cc : 'tedd'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jochem Maas'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : RE: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer! At 4:05 PM +0200 4/13/07, Tim wrote: The only thing i regret here is the violence some of these posts take :) Isn't the world full of it already? Can't we tone it down in here where their is some resemblance of peace? ;) Tim Tim: Don't worry about it. This manner is common for this list -- just because someone tells you to shove it, doesn't mean you have to. :-) Besides, it fun. Ahh thought it was a my bomb/penis is bigger then you bomb/penis issue ;) I'll get used to it... Someday... Regards, Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP editor
Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, or an editor written in PHP? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: WYSIWYG vs. the 'power-user'
At 7:18 PM +0300 4/12/07, Chetan Graham wrote: To set the record straight for both camps, It's good to know both sides of everything. But that's part of the problem because usually those who use only one, don't understand the other. If you are proficient in both, then you have the experience and knowledge to make an informed determination as to what works best. It doesn't make any difference if you're talking about WYSIWYG v hand coding, or using php v javascript, or using tables vs css -- they all have their place. However, it takes experience in all to determine what's best to use to accomplish the task at hand. And the task at hand can mean different things to different people. Some may want a quick and dirty web page while others may have different needs (i.e., accessibility, scalability). But, somewhere down the line, we all arrive at the same place. The question is, does it work for what you want? Cheers, tedd PS: Side note -- if you knew all that could be, you would still want what you want? -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP editor
[snip] Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, or an editor written in PHP? [/snip] Something to edit PHP with...unless you're trying to be funny -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP editor
On Apr 13, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, or an editor written in PHP? [/snip] Something to edit PHP with...unless you're trying to be funny LOL! I don't know why this was so funny, but I laughed at Jay's comment (I can just see the light bulb turn on). Nonetheless, this ignorant user brings up a thought - are there any editors written in PHP? ~Philip -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP editor
Philip Thompson wrote: On Apr 13, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, or an editor written in PHP? [/snip] Something to edit PHP with...unless you're trying to be funny LOL! I don't know why this was so funny, but I laughed at Jay's comment (I can just see the light bulb turn on). Nonetheless, this ignorant user brings up a thought - are there any editors written in PHP? ~Philip I sure hope not. Editors should never be written in scripting-languages in my opinion. - tul -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP editor
M.Sokolewicz wrote: Philip Thompson wrote: On Apr 13, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, or an editor written in PHP? [/snip] Something to edit PHP with...unless you're trying to be funny LOL! I don't know why this was so funny, but I laughed at Jay's comment (I can just see the light bulb turn on). Nonetheless, this ignorant user brings up a thought - are there any editors written in PHP? ~Philip I sure hope not. Editors should never be written in scripting-languages in my opinion. So you have an issue with every web-based CMS on the planet? IMHO it doesn't matter what language/tool/technology is used to write software, as long as it does the job and meets customer requirements. -Stut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP editor
On 4/13/07, M.Sokolewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philip Thompson wrote: On Apr 13, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, or an editor written in PHP? [/snip] Something to edit PHP with...unless you're trying to be funny LOL! I don't know why this was so funny, but I laughed at Jay's comment (I can just see the light bulb turn on). Nonetheless, this ignorant user brings up a thought - are there any editors written in PHP? ~Philip I sure hope not. Editors should never be written in scripting-languages in my opinion. - tul Uhm, C is a scripting language too right? Most editors are written in C :) Tijnema -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Cheap Ping
At 11:16 PM -0600 4/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to find a simple way to test to see if a web site is up or not. I tried using $file = file_get_contents(http://www.example.com/page.html;); but when the site is down it takes too long and seems to time out terminating the script rather than returning a false I can test. Is there some way I can set a shorter limit? Or something? Any other suggestions? Best, Craig Try: if ($unix) { system (ping -c$count -w$count $host); system(killall ping); } else { system(ping -n $count $host); } Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Re: WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
Tim wrote: ... Oh and guys, since when is their ONE good way of doing things??? The only thing i regret here is the violence some of these posts take :) Isn't the world full of it already? Can't we tone it down in here where their is some resemblance of peace? ;) Tim I sympathise with you on this. There are many people that read these posts and are shocked that a professional can be so reactive in anger to others views. It is a bit shocking to see this in a PHP list. Jochem's view: oh, the world is definitely full of 'it'. Yes, Jochem this phenomenal world is utterly a mystery. It is full of illusion. do consider that peace and violence are in essence opposites, you can hold to the concept of one without also conceptualizing (and thereby giving credence to) the other. Welcome to the world of opposites where everything either rusts, dies or eventually falls apart. And Everything in this Universe is controlled by this truth. what your searching for is not to be found in such dualistic crap. As long as you believe that you are separate from everything else you are in delusion. This is the original sin. Everything else, this phenomenal world and everything in it comes from this original sin peace pipe in one hand, broadsword in the other - lets hack on :-) notebook and pen in one hand, WYSIWYG HTML editor in the other - Lets find peace and not be so reactive to things outside of my view. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP editor
No, C is not a scripting language. There probably are some editors written in python though...which is a scripting language. On 4/13/07, Tijnema ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/13/07, M.Sokolewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philip Thompson wrote: On Apr 13, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, or an editor written in PHP? [/snip] Something to edit PHP with...unless you're trying to be funny LOL! I don't know why this was so funny, but I laughed at Jay's comment (I can just see the light bulb turn on). Nonetheless, this ignorant user brings up a thought - are there any editors written in PHP? ~Philip I sure hope not. Editors should never be written in scripting-languages in my opinion. - tul Uhm, C is a scripting language too right? Most editors are written in C :) Tijnema -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP editor
Komodo, written in python and XUL (yes, the firefox extention engine). -Original Message- From: Jarrel Cobb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:08 PM To: Tijnema ! Cc: M. Sokolewicz; Philip Thompson; php General List Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP editor No, C is not a scripting language. There probably are some editors written in python though...which is a scripting language. On 4/13/07, Tijnema ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/13/07, M.Sokolewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Philip Thompson wrote: On Apr 13, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, or an editor written in PHP? [/snip] Something to edit PHP with...unless you're trying to be funny LOL! I don't know why this was so funny, but I laughed at Jay's comment (I can just see the light bulb turn on). Nonetheless, this ignorant user brings up a thought - are there any editors written in PHP? ~Philip I sure hope not. Editors should never be written in scripting-languages in my opinion. - tul Uhm, C is a scripting language too right? Most editors are written in C :) Tijnema -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP editor
-Message d'origine- De : Philip Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 13 avril 2007 17:35 À : php General List Objet : Re: [PHP] PHP editor On Apr 13, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, or an editor written in PHP? [/snip] Something to edit PHP with...unless you're trying to be funny LOL! I don't know why this was so funny, but I laughed at Jay's comment (I can just see the light bulb turn on). Nonetheless, this ignorant user brings up a thought - are there any editors written in PHP? ?php If ($_SERVER['SERVER_ADDR'] != '127.0.0.1') die(Local acces only); $content = ''; $file_content = ''; If ($_POST['filename'] strlen($_POST['php_editor'] 0) { $file_path = '/tmp/' . $_POST['filename']; if(!file_put_contents('/tmp/' . $_POST['filename'],$_POST['php_editor']) { $content .= 'Error writing to '/tmp/' . } $file_content = $_POST['php_editor']; } If (isset($_POST['filename'] strlen($_POST['php_editor'] == 0) { $file_path = '/tmp/' . $_POST['filename']; if (file_exists($filename)) { $file_content = file_get_contents($filename); } } $content .= 'form action=' . $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] . 'br /'; $content .= 'Filename:input type=text name=filename id=telephone size=25 /br /'; $content .= 'PHP:textarea name=php_editor id=my_editor rows=10 cols=71$file_content/textareabr /'; $content .= 'input type=submit value=Save /'; $content .= '/formbr /br /'; ? There is now :P Regards, Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] PDO SQLite driving me mad!
Hi all, I really don't know what is going on here. Can anyone shed some light on this please? I'm trying to store an image in a SQLite database using PDO. The code given on http://uk2.php.net/manual/en/ref.pdo.php under Example 1669 is basically wrong - you can't beginTransaction() on a statement for example! So I had to rewrite it a little, but no matter what, it just doesn't work. The problem appears to be the PDO LOB type. It will only ever send the first 21 bytes of the image to the database no matter what I try. Here's some code: $stmt = $db-prepare('INSERT INTO Test (name, data) VALUES (?,?)'); $stmt-bindParam(1, $name, PDO::PARAM_STR, 60); $stmt-bindParam(2, $pic_data, PDO::PARAM_LOB); $stmt-execute(); The database is alive and well, and can be written to just fine, as is proven by the fact that I do get SOME data in there, just not all of it! I have tried a variety of files to no end. According to the PHP docs PDO LOB should work on streams as well, so I tried adding: $fp = fopen($filename, 'rb'); To my script, and then changing the LOB line to: $stmt-bindParam(2, $fp, PDO::PARAM_LOB); Thinking it would work out what to do with the newly found stream. But no, yet again all I get are the first 21 bytes. Using SQLite Maestro I can view the inserted data, and it's always too short. If I use the SQLite Maestro interface to insert an image, it works fine. PDO SQLite seems to always fail when trying to extract a LOB for display though, but that's another issue. PHP 5.2.1 - ideas, anyone?! Cheers, Rich -- Zend Certified Engineer http://www.corephp.co.uk Never trust a computer you can't throw out of a window -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Protecting individual files/dirs from access
Hey all, I hope this isn't too off-topic for this list, but I have a need to protect dynamically created directories in an Apache environment and not sure the best way to go about it. It's yer basic LAMP environment, and what will happen is that the client will be uploading a musician's sound files to his/her own directory and then allowing them to be downloaded by people who pay for them. So the directory for the artist, which will be one level below the docroot, like public_html/greatsinger/, will contain the artist's music, and must be accessible by those who have paid for the music, but should be protected from any typed URL attempt to access the music files directly. I was wondering if it were possible to drop a .htaccess file into each artist's directory that would password protect it and then code the URLs in the PHP script that allows access to the fines to access the files with a user name and password, but also hid this URL from display in the browser? The files need to be under the document root to allow a link to download them, right? Any suggestions for common ways to solve this would be appreciated. -- Skip Evans Big Sky Penguin, LLC 61 W Broadway Butte, Montana 59701 406-782-2240 http://bigskypenguin.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Check out PHPenguin, a lightweight and versatile PHP/MySQL development framework. http://phpenguin.bigskypenguin.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] PHP editor
-Message d'origine- De : Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 13 avril 2007 18:19 À : 'Philip Thompson'; 'php General List' Objet : RE: [PHP] PHP editor -Message d'origine- De : Philip Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 13 avril 2007 17:35 À : php General List Objet : Re: [PHP] PHP editor On Apr 13, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, or an editor written in PHP? [/snip] Something to edit PHP with...unless you're trying to be funny LOL! I don't know why this was so funny, but I laughed at Jay's comment (I can just see the light bulb turn on). Nonetheless, this ignorant user brings up a thought - are there any editors written in PHP? ?php if ($_SERVER['SERVER_ADDR'] != '127.0.0.1') die(Local acces only); $content = ''; $file_content = ''; if ($_POST['filename']) { $file_path = '/tmp/' . $_POST['filename']; if (strlen($_POST['php_editor'] 0)) { $file_path = '/tmp/' . $_POST['filename']; if(!file_put_contents('/tmp/' . $_POST['filename'],$_POST['php_editor'])) { $content .= 'Error writing to ' . $file_path . 'br /'; } $file_content = $_POST['php_editor']; } elseif (strlen($_POST['php_editor'] == 0)) { if (file_exists($filename)) { $file_content = file_get_contents($filename); } else { $content .= 'Error reading from ' . $file_path . 'br /'; } } } $content .= 'form action=' . $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] . 'br /'; $content .= 'Filename:input type=text name=filename id=telephone size=25 /br /'; $content .= 'PHP:textarea name=php_editor id=my_editor rows=10 cols=71$file_content/textareabr /'; $content .= 'input type=submit value=Save /'; $content .= '/formbr /br /'; echo $content; ? Sorry, i couldn't leave that up.. I must redeem myself.. :D Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP RAD framework
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 22:26 +0800, Man-wai Chang wrote: Any recommendation? Smarty Templates help a bit, but still need lots of coding... http://avoir.uwc.ac.za All Email originating from UWC is covered by disclaimer http://www.uwc.ac.za/portal/uwc2006/content/mail_disclaimer/index.htm -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Cheap Ping
At 11:16 PM -0600 4/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to find a simple way to test to see if a web site is up or not. At 4/13/2007 08:56 AM, tedd wrote: Try: if ($unix) { system (ping -c$count -w$count $host); system(killall ping); } else { system(ping -n $count $host); } What's a circumstance in which one would want to ping without getting a return value? Short of attempting a denial of service barrage? Really, I'm not being snide, just curious. According to the Fingerlicking Manual (OK, now that was arguably snide), you have two opportunities to get return values from system() -- the last command line string as the function return value and a status byte returned in the second parameter. The example provided is: // Outputs all the result of shellcommand ls, and returns // the last output line into $last_line. Stores the return value // of the shell command in $retval. $last_line = system('ls', $retval); http://php.net/system Googling, I came up with other methods including: PHP Ping (using socket functions) by Philip Jensen http://www.planet-source-code.com/vb/scripts/ShowCode.asp?lngWId=8txtCodeId=1786 Pinging a remote host in PHP (using PEAR) http://builder.com.com/5100-6371-5234592.html What's a preferred method? Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Cheap Ping
At 4/13/2007 08:56 AM, tedd wrote: Try: if ($unix) { system (ping -c$count -w$count $host); system(killall ping); } slaying all the pings that the user has can bring odd results. obviously this will kill all the webserver's userid that has pings running. -- Gabriel Millerd -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] sendmail loop
I have a sendmail script that loops through an array of email addresses. the problem is, the list can sometimes be fairly long, and the page does not finish loading until the loop has completed. Currently, I have the majority of the page loading, including text that says messages sending, please wait., with a completed message after the loop. Though that gives an appearance of working (and lets the patient user know what is going on), if the user leaves the page, or the page times out before the loop has finished, not all the emails will be sent. Is there a way to trigger a script to run on the server (in the background)? I had the thought to save the notice to the DB, and then have a cron check every few minutes to send it, but that could be too much load on the servers. Any other alternatives? Thanks! ~J Ps. No, this is not a spam application - it is a notice/announcement form for directors/administrators of an organization
Re: [PHP] Protecting individual files/dirs from access
On Fri, April 13, 2007 11:43 am, Skip Evans wrote: So the directory for the artist, which will be one level below the docroot, like Don't do that. You have to work WAY too hard to make sure you have a gate-keeper to force people to pay. Put the files outside the webtree, and have a PHP script that controls access and is your gate-keeper. It's kind of like the difference between holding a music festival in a park with no fence, and holding a music festival in a convention center. In the first case (your mp3 in the web-tree == open park) you end up having to build a fence, and there will always be somebody trying to jump the fence, because it's just a temporary fence and obviously not very secure. In the second case (the mp3 outside the web-tree) there's a big brick wall and a tiny number of doors that need guarding, and it's much easier to secure. I was wondering if it were possible to drop a .htaccess file into each artist's directory that would password protect it and then code the URLs in the PHP script that allows access to the fines to access the files with a user name and password, but also hid this URL from display in the browser? You could do all that, but... The files need to be under the document root to allow a link to download them, right? No. Have the link go to a PHP script, which authenticates the user (in your case, makes *sure* they paid) and then that script does http://php.net/readfile The MP3 itself should live outside the web-tree in a private directory. You'd still want to have the sub-directories under private organized by artist and all that. Your upload script would simply move files into this directory tree instead of the web tree -- which is better anyway, as that means you needn't have php-writable directories inside your web-tree, which is also a Risk. You *DO* have to have your download URL cleverly-crafted to make the browser do the right thing, and you have to send the right headers for the MP3 right before the readfile, but that's actually quite easy with $_SERVER['PATHINFO'] and header() function. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE6 PHP
On Fri, April 13, 2007 9:15 am, elk dolk wrote: I have a bunch of thumbnail images that link to larger versions of the images and want to line them up in rows across the screen , using CSS I put them into a separate DIV. To get them to line up horizontally across the window I use CSS to FLOAT each DIV to the left, CSS looks like this: div.float { float: left; } and the HTML : div class=floatimg srcimage.jpg.../br //div Firefox and Netscape show the thumbnails in rows like this: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] but in IE6 there is a problem , the first row is O.K. but the second ant the third rows are not O.K. it looks like this: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] There's no PHP here... But it seems to me that if you actually are doing a grid layout, maybe a TABLE *is* the right HTML to use... Or use CSS to style it as if it were a table, if you're so anti-table that you can't use a table tag. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP editor
On Fri, April 13, 2007 10:11 am, Timothy Murphy wrote: Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, Usually means this, and that's been answered a few zillion times. or an editor written in PHP? Seldom means this, but even so, you're pretty much looking at PHP-GTK, or you're not looking at a PHP question... Though I guess with enough effort, one could write something not unlike 'vi' in PHP CLI for a specific OS with the right control codes to re-draw the screen... [shudder] -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Cheap Ping
At 12:37 PM -0700 4/13/07, Paul Novitski wrote: At 11:16 PM -0600 4/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to find a simple way to test to see if a web site is up or not. At 4/13/2007 08:56 AM, tedd wrote: Try: if ($unix) { system (ping -c$count -w$count $host); system(killall ping); } else { system(ping -n $count $host); } What's a circumstance in which one would want to ping without getting a return value? Short of attempting a denial of service barrage? Really, I'm not being snide, just curious. It's a bit of code taken from: http://www.theworldsend.net/ - the first example. While I haven't used it, it seemed to be related to the OP subject, no?. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] PHP editor
On Fri 13 Apr 2007, Jay Blanchard wrote: [snip] Just showing my ignorance, probably, but what exactly is meant by a PHP editor? Does it mean an editor for editing PHP scripts, or an editor written in PHP? [/snip] Something to edit PHP with...unless you're trying to be funny I wasn't trying to be funny - I'm not very knowledgeable about PHP, but it doesn't seem to me its syntax is sufficiently complicated to warrant using a special editor. I'm interested (slightly) in any editors written in PHP, as I use WordPress (WP), and am not particularly enamoured of any of the WP editors I have seen. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
On Fri, April 13, 2007 3:46 am, Micky Hulse wrote: I think I just read that PHP is ran as CGI on Dreamhost... this does not sound good. Can anyone confirm? You could confirm what you have on YOUR setup with: ?php phpinfo();? faster and with more assurance of correctness than any mailing list answer. What do you all think? Good? Bad? It works fine for me, but I'm only using DreamHost as the back-end of an N-tier audio server for a web-site that doesn't actually live on dreamhost. Actually, dreamhost is only the primary, and there's a fail-safe roll-over to another box if dreamhost goes down. (again) YMMV -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] sendmail loop
On 4/13/07, John Pillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a sendmail script that loops through an array of email addresses. the problem is, the list can sometimes be fairly long, and the page does not finish loading until the loop has completed. Currently, I have the majority of the page loading, including text that says messages sending, please wait., with a completed message after the loop. Though that gives an appearance of working (and lets the patient user know what is going on), if the user leaves the page, or the page times out before the loop has finished, not all the emails will be sent. Is there a way to trigger a script to run on the server (in the background)? I had the thought to save the notice to the DB, and then have a cron check every few minutes to send it, but that could be too much load on the servers. Any other alternatives? Thanks! ~J With set_time_limit you could set the timeout value higer: http://www.php.net/set_time_limit So that your script won't timeout when it takes too long. Also, when the user closes his browser, the script will continue! Tijnema Ps. No, this is not a spam application - it is a notice/announcement form for directors/administrators of an organization -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Cheap Ping
On Fri, April 13, 2007 12:16 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am trying to find a simple way to test to see if a web site is up or not. I tried using $file = file_get_contents(http://www.example.com/page.html;); but when the site is down it takes too long and seems to time out terminating the script rather than returning a false I can test. Is there some way I can set a shorter limit? Or something? The timeout for that is set in php.ini, and you can reset it right before you do file_get_contents to something much more reasonable. You might want to log the failure, and only hit a panic button if it fails N times in X minutes or something, but it's quite do-able. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Cheap Ping
On Fri, April 13, 2007 12:20 am, Jim Lucas wrote: Is there some way I can set a shorter limit? http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.stream-set-timeout.php Bzzzt. That's for an already-opened stream. :-) -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] free allocated memory: HOW ?
On Fri, April 13, 2007 12:54 am, Arthur Erdös wrote: It can if you're trying to process a borked image... I've had imagecreatefromjpeg() eat memory up to almost 50x the size of the image before finally deciding it can't handle it and crapping out. That was *after* running it through getimagesize() with no problem at all. okay - good point - but in this case the OP is reading in an html template file, just a string of 20.7Kb, what could go wrong there? this is probably one issue... the template is an HTML template containing images like img src=http://www.brainguide.com/xxx/. How does PHP handle this stuff? I suppose that it is just a string and the image at the URL is not really read, or am I wrong? The newsletter does not have any attachements. Now you're not making any sense at all... Either your newsletter has the images in it, or it doesn't. I suspect that it's set up to take that newsletter *AND* all the images, and bundle that up into a nice *BIG* HTML Enhanced (cough, cough) email, and send that out... If you don't free up that template, that could be a large chunk of RAM right there. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
Richard Lynch wrote: On Fri, April 13, 2007 3:46 am, Micky Hulse wrote: I think I just read that PHP is ran as CGI on Dreamhost... this does not sound good. Can anyone confirm? You could confirm what you have on YOUR setup with: ?php phpinfo();? faster and with more assurance of correctness than any mailing list answer yeah or `php -v` via cmdline. by the way, isn't PHP w/FastCGI faster than using apache module? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] free allocated memory: HOW ?
On Fri, April 13, 2007 12:49 am, Arthur Erdös wrote: $abonents = $personAction-findAbonents($start, $offset); $size = $personAction-countFoundRows(); $this-logger-debug(Found . $size . abonents); $loops = ceil($size/self::PROCESS_ABONENTS); $this-logger-debug(Need . $loops . loops at . self::PROCESS_ABONENTS . abonents per loop); for($i = 0; $i $loops; $i++){ $start = $i*self::PROCESS_ABONENTS; $abonents = $personAction-findAbonents($start, self::PROCESS_ABONENTS); What happened to the other $abonents you set about 6 lines ago?... // unset($text, $lvo); $text = null; $lvo = null; sleep(1); Do the unset() as well on each var, I think. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Download multiple sound files?
On Fri, April 13, 2007 6:09 am, Jochem Maas wrote: Richard Lynch wrote: On Thu, April 12, 2007 11:15 am, Skip Evans wrote: I have a need to allow a user to download multiple sound files (mp3s, typically) from a single link. I've been looking at various solutions via Google, but have not seen one yet to do this. Can anyone point me in the right direction or give me a lead on how this can be done? The HTTP protocol simply does not allow what you describe, at least not exactly -- There is one, and only one, download/response to one HTTP request. Some things you can consider: Use exec with tar (or zip or tar + gzip or whatever) to create a single file to download, with all the MP3s in it. This requires the user to use WinZip (or similar) to unpack the files. Create a playlist by concatenating a bunch of URLs to audio files. basically a podcast. imho if you offer a zip (maybe a self-extracting zip) *and* a podcast of each set of mp3s you'd have a clean and user friendly interface ... ofcourse you'll still have to convince the PHB, but that's your problem ;-). Actually, a playlist and a podcast are pretty different... I say this, having tried to wedge my daily playlist into a podcast format, and running into some fundamental roadblocks that I have yet to resolve in any reasonable fashion. Dunno which the OP really needs, mind you. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
On Fri, April 13, 2007 1:20 am, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: this ain't the bad old days. That's debatable! Damnit! Now I've got that These are the good ol' days song stuck in my head, and it's your fault! :-) -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
On Fri, April 13, 2007 1:24 am, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: At 7:41 PM +0100 4/12/07, Stut wrote: Yes you'll need to put in a bit more work, but the result will be that much better. -Stut Sorry Stut -- I know you know this, but it's more work to NOT use css. Not when you have a pre-made table-based layout already. Actually... I'm not claiming to be an expert at either, but there are times when a table layout is easier/faster to get exactly what I want in all browsers than the CSS solution, which is more appealing from a theoretical POV, but may not actually put things where I want them in every browser. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Cheap Ping
Richard Lynch wrote: On Fri, April 13, 2007 12:20 am, Jim Lucas wrote: Is there some way I can set a shorter limit? http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.stream-set-timeout.php Bzzzt. That's for an already-opened stream. :-) I figured that the op would figure that part out and possibly change his approach to use fsockopen instead of file_get_contents -- Enjoy, Jim Lucas Different eyes see different things. Different hearts beat on different strings. But there are times for you and me when all such things agree. - Rush -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
Richard Davey wrote: It will be the first of many :) Yikes! Definitely gonna make the switch. Cheap it may be, but I need reliable too! Oh and hey... you'll soon experience the sporadic will it or won't it nature of their Control Panel loading too. I always loved that one. Doh! Yeah. Not really sure if I like the proprietary CP... I guess I am used to using Cpanel. :D Abso-frigging-lutely. Yep yep. I hear that. :( It will cope with your needs *easily* and the best thing about them - they can scale-up your account at any time, to whatever you need, as you grow. Some HUGE sites are hosted comfortably on Pair. Even php.net ;) Ahhh, cool! Good to hear. ;) Thanks again for the help Richard, I appreciate your time and expertise. Have a great day/night! Cheers, M -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
Miles Thompson wrote: Have a look at www.hub.org. They host PostgreSQL world wide, you get a virtual machine, not a virtual host, and they are v. helpful in setting up software. Ahhh, nice! Thanks for the tip. Looking at what they offer now. It is going to be a close call between several. All seem to offer good stuff! Lol. I hate picking hosting. Thanks again Miles! Have a great day/night. Cheers, M -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] IE6 PHP
elk dolk wrote: Hi all, I have a bunch of thumbnail images that link to larger versions of the images and want to line them up in rows across the screen , using CSS I put them into a separate DIV. To get them to line up horizontally across the window I use CSS to FLOAT each DIV to the left, CSS looks like this: div.float { float: left; } and the HTML : div class=floatimg srcimage.jpg.../br //div Firefox and Netscape show the thumbnails in rows like this: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] but in IE6 there is a problem , the first row is O.K. but the second ant the third rows are not O.K. it looks like this: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] please comment - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. try adding clear: left; to that css bit div.float { clear: left; float: left; } This should make the top of all images, on each row, the same -- Enjoy, Jim Lucas Different eyes see different things. Different hearts beat on different strings. But there are times for you and me when all such things agree. - Rush -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
On Fri, April 13, 2007 5:27 pm, Sebe wrote: by the way, isn't PHP w/FastCGI faster than using apache module? Probably depends. Might as well ask if a car is faster than a speedboat... And whatever troubles the OP had with CGI may not apply in FCGI, or might be made worse. -- Some people have a gift link here. Know what I want? I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch Yeah, I get a buck. So? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
Richard Lynch wrote: You could confirm what you have on YOUR setup with: ?php phpinfo();? faster and with more assurance of correctness than any mailing list answer. Yeah! Hehe. I feel like such a noob. I can not believe I did not think of that first. Lol. Here is what phpinfo() had to say: Server API: CGI/FastCGI Virtual Directory Support: disabled Configuration File (php.ini) Path: /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini And I just got this response from DH today: ... Yes...I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we are running php as CGI. ... Very nice of them to respond so fast... Very friendly reply. Seems like a great host if you are not as concerned about up-time/down-time and are on a tight budget. It works fine for me, but I'm only using DreamHost as the back-end of an N-tier audio server for a web-site that doesn't actually live on dreamhost. Ahh. I see. Actually, dreamhost is only the primary, and there's a fail-safe roll-over to another box if dreamhost goes down. (again) Ahhh, hehe. Good call on the backup server. I have never built a big enough site to where I needed a backup server just in case. Probably a very good idea though. :) Thanks fo ryou reply Richard, I greatly appreciate the help! Cheers, M -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
Hi Sebe, thanks for help. Sebe wrote: yeah or `php -v` via cmdline. Great! Thanks for tip on that one. ;) by the way, isn't PHP w/FastCGI faster than using apache module? A, really? DH does offer FastCGI support. Hrmmm. So many things to consider! Lol. Thanks again Sebe! Cheers, M -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/vrs9 Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!???
You can't really do `php -v` on the command line, unless you know which php you are using. If you have several installations of PHP, then doing `php -v` will just get you the version of PHP for which is loaded first from your path. I'd do a `which php` to make sure you are using php 5 first before `php -v` -Logan -Original Message- From: Sebe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 6:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; php php Subject: Re: [PHP] Dreamhost! PHP as CGI!??? Richard Lynch wrote: On Fri, April 13, 2007 3:46 am, Micky Hulse wrote: I think I just read that PHP is ran as CGI on Dreamhost... this does not sound good. Can anyone confirm? You could confirm what you have on YOUR setup with: ?php phpinfo();? faster and with more assurance of correctness than any mailing list answer yeah or `php -v` via cmdline. by the way, isn't PHP w/FastCGI faster than using apache module? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
Richard Lynch wrote: On Fri, April 13, 2007 1:20 am, Stut wrote: tedd wrote: this ain't the bad old days. That's debatable! Damnit! Now I've got that These are the good ol' days song stuck in my head, and it's your fault! :-) Hey, don't forget that you should always look on the bright side of life. -Stut -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Re: WYSIWYG vs. the 'power-user'
On Thursday 12 April 2007 18:18, Chetan Graham wrote: To set the record straight for both camps, in the web apps that come to me I simply do the PHP, javascript, etc. The files come to me already PhotoShopped and Dreamweaed. Yup,,, just filling in the blanks where its needed. I tell them the fields I need, giving them a general pencil sketch of the login or edit page, etc. as I see it. And they better put up som color codes while at it. They are good at what they do and at the same time actually afraid of the coding, as PHP is too flexible for their ordered minds. wut? php like in dinner? So their it is. I am a man with feet in both worlds. Am I happy with this situation? Why not, everything is changing all the time and I have to be ready to embrace the next shift in technology when it comes. Maybe we'll all be using PC's like Dick Tracy did with the wrist watch computer from the comic strips when I was a kid. Oh boy, now I've told my old age to all. So be it. Chetan -- --- Børge http://www.arivene.net --- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 10:30 -0400, tedd wrote: At 8:39 PM -0400 4/12/07, Jarrel Cobb wrote: If you're striving to be the best front end developer you can be then yes, by all means, use pure CSS for layout and never use tools like DW but thats not everyone's goal. Fair enough. My complaint here is not what anyone chooses to do/use but rather what they claim to be. If people are claiming to be the leading edge of web development and are still stuck in using tables for layout, then I find fault with that because using tables that way is certainly not leading edge. I'm on the bleeding edge... yup, bleeding tables everywhere ;) Oh the horror, the horror! Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 16:37 +0200, Tim wrote: -Message d'origine- De : Jochem Maas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : vendredi 13 avril 2007 16:32 À : Tim Cc : 'Jarrel Cobb'; 'Robert Cummings'; 'tedd'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer! Tim wrote: ... Oh and guys, since when is their ONE good way of doing things??? The only thing i regret here is the violence some of these posts take :) Isn't the world full of it already? Can't we tone it down in here where their is some resemblance of peace? ;) oh, the world is definitely full of 'it'. do consider that peace and violence are in essence opposites, you can hold to the concept of one without also conceptualizing (and thereby giving credance to) the other. what your searching for is not to be found in such dualistic crap. peacepipe in one hand, broadsword in the other - lets hack on :-) ***BIG SMILE*** And WHAT are you smiling at??? Staves beat peacepipes and broadswords anyday! Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Cheap Ping
Jim Lucas-2 wrote: Richard Lynch wrote: On Fri, April 13, 2007 12:20 am, Jim Lucas wrote: Is there some way I can set a shorter limit? http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.stream-set-timeout.php Bzzzt. That's for an already-opened stream. :-) I figured that the op would figure that part out and possibly change his approach to use fsockopen instead of file_get_contents -- Enjoy, Jim Lucas Different eyes see different things. Different hearts beat on different strings. But there are times for you and me when all such things agree. - Rush the following from http://de.php.net/manual/en/function.socket-create.php#60438 (slightly modified) works well on my test laptop(w2k,php5.2.1): function ping($host) { $package = \x08\x00\x19\x2f\x00\x00\x00\x00\x70\x69\x6e\x67; $sock = socket_create(AF_INET, SOCK_RAW, 1); /* timeout 0.2 seconds */ socket_set_option($sock, SOL_SOCKET, SO_RCVTIMEO, array('sec' = 0, 'usec' = 20)); socket_connect($sock, $host, null); socket_send($sock, $package, strlen($package), 0); $TS = microtime(1); if(@socket_read($sock, 255)) { return microtime(1) - $TS; } else { return -1; } socket_close($sock); } -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Cheap-Ping-tf3569802.html#a9989132 Sent from the PHP - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] how to get var name and value from function?
hi, this one I can't figure out: I have to assign value of an array to variable named after key of the array several times in my project to , e.g. after I submit a form with personal info I have $_POST['name'] = 'john doe'; $_POST['address'] = '123 main st.'; $_POST['city'] = 'urbandale'; $_POST['zip'] = '12345'; $_POST['phone'] = '123-456-7980'; etc. Then I assign value to the var name: foreach ($_POST as $key = $value) { ${$key} = $value; } and then validate submitted. Though, to avoid writing all over again the same lines (even it's only 3 lines) I was thinking to create a function something like: function value2var($array, $print=0) { foreach ($_POST as $key = $value) { ${$key} = $value; echo ($print ==1) ? $key.': '.$value.'br'; // to test results and seeing array variables and values } } value2var($_POST, 1); but, I don't know how to get info from function back to script?!?!? :-( any help appreciated. -afan -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Images again
Before mr lynch starts beating up those already dead and probably long since burried horses... Images in a database! See I was just wondering, and that at times leads to late nights I used to read the images from two different files; one watermarked the image and one let it throught without any hazzle. Of course this kind of script was easy enought to get around the watermarking, witch I fixed with the http referer witch as follows IE don't send. I don't particulary like ppl who use IE (ups did I upset someone?) ;D. However I started compressing my scripts and putting them inside one file. And the status is so far: * Query for the image object. * Query for copyright check in case of watermarking. If no watermarking skip to echo * Read the object. * put object in a file outside webroot like /tmp. * read both the watermark and object * merge * echo Is it possible to skip one query and still be able to read ownership from a table and at the same time stream the object, witch lead me to the next question, I can't seem to be able to make imageCreateFromJPEG handle the direct stream, nor that I fetch it in an array, is any of this possible? As of now I need two files to make this happen. Either I use one file to check for rights and download throught a second file (close to the old solution) or I try this new thing and end up with one php file witch needs the object stream to be saved before it can be managed proberly. -- --- Børge http://www.arivene.net --- -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 10:16 -0400, tedd wrote: At 3:17 AM -0400 4/13/07, Robert Cummings wrote: Dear Tedd, Please put me down for one pint of asshole, because while you sit on that glass pedestal of CSS superiority I can't help but notice how http://ancientstones.com/ looks completely fucked up in Opera. Opera I might add is ACID2 compliant. Now please go shove your better than thou CSS up your ass :) Trust me, I am at least as versed as you in CSS and choose to use tables. Cheers, Rob. Dear Rob: It's not a question of CSS superiority -- but rather a matter of best practice. You want to use a screw driver to drive a nail, then fine -- but some of us do know better. I noticed your site isn't a pixel perfect layout. Probably why you haven't had to tear at your face very hard with CSS :) That whole box-model issue becomes a great deal more elastic when you have some fudge room. You pointed out that my http://ancientstones.com was not appearing as it should and you were right. I had made some minor changes and did not check Opera. However, the fix was a single line of code and it took me less than a minute to find it -- try that with tables. I use my templating engine, I can wrap as many tags as I please into a compound custom tag with attributes that expand into the dirty details. This also provides a great deal of flexibility later when CSS support improves, to replace the dirty tables ;) I do prefer CSS, but having done pixel perfect layouts, I know where things break down. I'm not saying any of this because of any better than thou attitude, but rather because it's true. If you don't want to consider what I have to say, then fine, no skin off my nose. Eww... NOSE SKIN!!! :) But I do know this, I listen to what you have to say about php because you know what you're talking about. But in this case, my friend, we differ greatly. You want to stick with tables then fine, You've got me wrong, I don't want to stick with tables, I want to use the full power of CSS, but unfortunately Microsoft has seen fit to screw everything up as much as possible. but if you are as well versed as I am in CSS, then you know that using tables for layout is more costly in overall development, maintenance, sales, and accessibility. To me and my clients, those things matter. I agree with accessibility to some degree, but for the rest I think you're a bit too far out on a limb. Concepts like separating content from presentation, graceful degradation and progressive enhancement are not just phrases one imagined so they could sit on a glass pedestal and look down on everyone else. They are practices that work and are far more reaching than WYSIWYG table layouts. Agreed, I practice all of the above, but I feel no guilt in using a table for a layout when it simplifies the issue. Between box model issues, float bugs, etc etc, CSS just can't do what needs to be done yet. tedd PS: Meant, or not, no offense taken -- I do enjoy your colorful manner. :-) No offense is ever meant, although I'll give you, I was quite drunk last night (I get 2 outings a year ;) and I used a little more colour than usual *heheh*. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 09:24 -0400, Jarrel Cobb wrote: Nice observation. It was a timely cheapshot :) Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] WWE in Stamford, CT needs a kick ass PHP Developer!
On Fri, 2007-04-13 at 16:05 +0200, Tim wrote: CSS is young, it will mature in time, meanwhile to each his own layout manner. I see what you are saying Rob, (yes the BUT) BUT table are orginally for formatting data in a litteral manner and css is for layout. I'm sure by formatting you mean lay out ;) Personally i have a heck of time getting embedded tables to do the job for me especially when mixed with javascript (then again i am not using any click and go make your site program, and am NOT saying you are, just that generating the layout with php i find easier with embedded divs doing divdiv/div/div rather then tabletrtdtabletrtd/td/tr/table/td/tr/table and not mentionning the easy of using div classe rather then table/tr/td classes...). *lol* I don't use tables everywhere, I do still use divs when I can and I've found them to be stable and useful. But there are some instances where a table just gets me what I want without fuss. I found css to be really helpfull in all my designs with essentially no hacks for cross-browser compatiblity (ie6 ie7 ff1 ff2) which are the 80%+ browsers on the market today. Eggh, maybe i should try opening one of my sites in OPERA one of these days so i can cry :P But then again i don't guarantee they work on any other then the stated browsers and my clients are fine with that... So far.. I see your point and understand fully.. Hopefully css will evolve into a purely compatible layout facilitation for web designers/programmers in the future, so far it has made my day and my UNTable sites are quite clean, and hopefully it will make yours someday ;) Hopefully... I'm in full favour of it! Oh and guys, since when is their ONE good way of doing things??? The only thing i regret here is the violence some of these posts take :) Isn't the world full of it already? Can't we tone it down in here where their is some resemblance of peace? ;) What violence? No violence that I've seen. Cheers, Rob. -- .. | InterJinn Application Framework - http://www.interjinn.com | :: | An application and templating framework for PHP. Boasting | | a powerful, scalable system for accessing system services | | such as forms, properties, sessions, and caches. InterJinn | | also provides an extremely flexible architecture for | | creating re-usable components quickly and easily. | `' -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php