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Re: PicoLisp mirror on github

[František Fuka]

Original version numbering was simply incremental (e.g. v3.0.7 is newer
than v3.0.4). Since 2016, the version numbers represent year and month.
E.g. v16.12 is from December 2016.

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Christopher Howard <
christopher.how...@qlfiles.net> wrote:

> What is the significance of the version number components (major,
> minor...)? Does versions 17.6 and greater aim for backwards
> compatibility with 16.12?
>
> On 04/21/2017 09:03 AM, Mansur Mamkin wrote:
> > Hi all!
> >
> > I've extended my previous script that handled
> > https://bitbucket.org/mmamkin/picolisp/
> >
> > Now we have also git-repository at https://github.com/picolisp/picolisp
> >
> > https://software-lab.de/picoLisp.tgz is checked four times a day and new
> > commits are created when it has changed
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mansur Mamkin
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Future of PicoLisp?

[František Fuka]

I think that "adding PPA repository to my system" is not much easier than
"downloading Picolisp source and compiling it". You and I can do both.
Unskilled users will struggle with both. We need a method for unskilled
users that allows them just to download a file, click something, maybe type
a line or two --- and have a fully working Picolisp installation as a
result. The question of self-updating installed Picolisp (the advantage PPA
has over self-compiling) is not relevant for theses users, IMHO.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Bruno Franco 
wrote:

> As for ubuntu, maybe you could make a Personal Package Archive (PPA). Its
> lets you make your own packages that can be downloaded by users using
> apt-get. Its as easy as downloading the normal packages, but the user must
> manually add the repository.
>
> Here's a useful link:
> http://askubuntu.com/questions/71510/how-do-i-create-a-ppa
>
> It would be more work than having the ubuntu team providing the package in
> the official repositories, and I think you would have to make a new package
> for every version of ubuntu you want to support. But its also the only way
> to make sure that users get the most recent version of the software. As
> Edgaras said, ubuntu is bad at keeping up with the newest releases.
>
> I'm personally ok with compiling picolisp myself. But I know I wouldn't
> have tried it if it had not been available as a package from ubuntu.
>
> As Dean said, if there's anything we can do, let us know.
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Alexander Burger 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dean,
>>
>> > Assuming that Wine packages are more numerous than Picolisps...you
>> could do
>> > a native Windows version in Powerbasic for Wine. Not only would this up
>>
>> Well, but then we can go as well with ErsatzLisp, the Java version of
>> PicoLisp.
>>
>> A full PicoLisp doesn't yet run on Windows, as PicoLisp needs a POSIX
>> runtime
>> environment. Might be possible in the future with Joe's midipix port.
>>
>>
>> > I smiled when I saw your reasons for moving from C to asm because
>> > Powerbasic does ALIGN etc in it's stride without needing to drop down to
>> > it's industrial strength built in assembler.
>>
>> Aligning is not so much a problem. But can you control the stack layout,
>> condition codes (carry flag etc.) and multiple function entry points in
>> Powerbasic? Or do natice calls to external C functions in a completely
>> dynamic
>> way. All this is not even possible in C.
>>
>>
>> > I'd prefer to work in 64 bit asm but would be very happy to assist you
>> in
>> > any way I can to see Picolisp do well as I'm sure others would be.
>> Whatever
>> > you decide just let us know how we can help. I'm very new to Picolisp
>> but
>> > can already see that it's much too good not to do well.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback! Let's see what happens. For Ubuntu 17.04 it is
>> probably
>> too late by now.
>>
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Re: Future of PicoLisp?

[František Fuka]

I was never happy with the packaged Picolisp version being so much behind
the official one. Is it much of a problem to provide .deb installers on the
official site (for Debian and *buntu distros)?

Or, an universal binary that checks all the required dependencies and
compiles the latest version?

Simply something easy for people who are not yet quite comfortable with
compiling...

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On Feb 3, 2017 08:57, "Alexander Burger"  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> the future of PicoLisp is dark. I'm not sure if it can survive in packaged
> distribution.
>
> Ubuntu doesn't support it any more, probably due to the PIE (position
> independent executable) on x86-64.
>
> And at least on Android they seem to demand switching to Clang. The 32-bit
> versions of PicoLisp (pil32 and mini) which are written in C cannot be
> compiled
> on Clang, because Clang doesn't support dynamically allocated arrays, which
> pil32 depends on. As far as I notices, pil64 also has trouble on
> Clang/Android.
>
> :( Alex
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Re: Full documentation in a single document?

[František Fuka]

Putting all doc/ref*.html files into single file is almost the solution.
The result is a single file function reference readable on Kindle etc (with
working hyperlinks). I am not sure it tutorial & other docs should be in
the same file, my main problem was with ref* files being split. But it's
not hard to concatenate them.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Alexander Burger 
wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 03:11:09PM +0100, Joh-Tob Schäg wrote:
> > There is not. I talked about he same thing with Regenaxer the day before
> > yesterday.
>
> You had asked for something different, putting all doc/ref*.html files
> into a single one.
>
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Full documentation in a single document?

[František Fuka]

Hello,

is there a single document containing all PicoLisp documentation (including
the function reference), suitable e.g. for reading in Kindle? Or an
existing script to generate such a file?

I could stitch it together rather easily from the existing HTML docs but I
just want to make sure I am not doing something that's already done...

Thanks

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Re: Released PicoLisp 15.11

[František Fuka]

I personally prefer when the version number immediately tells me how old
the release is.
On Nov 25, 2015 1:03 PM, "O.Hamann"  wrote:

> Nice to see a new release, Alex!
>
> But I do really wonder,
> why a version scheme like Major.Minor.fixes does not fit any longer the
> needs of software users.
>
> I always loved that picolisp changed only in the third digit the last
> releases,
> suggesting sth like 'oh cool, nothing of the main concepts or functions
> seems to have been changed',
> I liked that.
>
> Nevertheless, I surely will watch new releases as well - despite their
> naming :-)
>
> Regards, O.
>
>
> On 24.11.2015 09:26, Alexander Burger wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> PicoLisp 15.11 is out.
>
> Please note the new version numbering. With YY.MM[.nn] it is similar to
> the Ubuntu style.
>
> ♪♫ Alex
>
>
>

Picolisp on GitHub?

[František Fuka]

Are current Picolisp sources officially available at GitHub?

If not, can I put them there? I like how GitHub allows me to browse and
study sources from anywhere...

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Re: Picolisp on GitHub?

[František Fuka]

Great. I put it here: https://github.com/fuxoft/picolisp

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:52 PM, <andr...@itship.ch> wrote:

> Hi FrantisekThere is no official picolisp repo, the only officially
> maintained and updated source for picolisp is
> http://software-lab.de/picoLisp.tgzSo feel free to put a copy of it in
> your personal github repository, or link from someone else who has a copy
> on github.I'd guess multiple picolisp devs have made themselves a picolisp
> repo on github or bitbucket.In the past picolisp source was maintained on
> google code, but with the closing of it this was stoppedThere was some
> discussion, but different people have different favourites (github,
> bitbucket, and more exotic ones) and the effort to maintain those got
> judged as unnecessary.Because there isn't a high number of issues nor code
> changes proposed by people beside Alexander Burger himself, the additional
> benefit of pull-request and "social coding" offered by those services are
> currently not needed for the development of picolisp core.Best
> regardsbeneroth- Original Message -From: František Fuka [mailto:
> f...@fuxoft.cz]To: picolisp@software-lab.deSent: Mon, 19 Oct 2015
> 13:59:39 +0200Subject: Picolisp on GitHub?Are current Picolisp sources
> officially available at GitHub?If not, can I put them there? I like how
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Re: Single File Function Reference

[František Fuka]

It seems to work great but the file must be named "ref.html".

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Richard Kallos  wrote:

> This is something that I recently discovered that I wanted, so I broke out
> my sed manual and came up with this:
> http://pastebin.com/itx1GrSG
>
> Please let me know if there are any broken links. I think I got all of
> them to work nicely.
>
> Enjoy!
> Richard
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Alexander Burger 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi František,
>>
>> > I guess it's trivial to write script that extracts everything betwen
>> 
>> >  tags from all the individual function reference HTML files and
>> puts
>> > it into one single HTML page.
>>
>> Well, yes, but not only that. More important is to adjust all the
>> cross-ref links.
>>
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Single File Function Reference

[František Fuka]

Is there Picolisp function reference available to download as a single
file, to put in in my EBook reader? I can only see it online, split to
individual files according to the first letter of the function name.

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Re: Single File Function Reference

[František Fuka]

I guess it's trivial to write script that extracts everything betwen 
 tags from all the individual function reference HTML files and puts
it into one single HTML page. I just didn't want to do only to find that it
has already been done :)

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Vidyuth Kini <vuk...@lmedubai.ae> wrote:

> I am working on this. Hopefully I will be done soon. It will be a single
> HTML file but can be converted to epub or whatever...
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>> Is there Picolisp function reference available to download as a single
>> file, to put in in my EBook reader? I can only see it online, split to
>> individual files according to the first letter of the function name.
>>
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