Re: annotations, more progress
On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 20:16 -0800, Josh Menke wrote: > > I've had some problems using annotations in full screen mode. I get > repeated crashes with "gam" as the only error message. This is again > on my T5. Something odd about full screen mode in the snapshot build > is that is removes the very bottom of the screen as well (clock, > etc.). Maybe that's a setting I missed somewhere. I assume you've used CleanPlkr first, before installing the new build with Annotation support, yes? -- David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com "The price of liberty is not free, nor is it comfortable. But it is necessary" ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: annotation
Just a progress note: I haven't abandoned the Plucker annotation code. In fact, it now compiles. A bit of debugging and hopefully it'll go from my private svn tree to the official svn tree. Woo! Great to hear... now let's hope Palm isn't still dead. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: viewer/config.h.in missing from the CVS
On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 10:20 -0800, Denis Zavarin wrote: > See also my bug report at bugs.plkr.org. As mentioned in my response to your bug report, if you run autogen.sh (the proper way to build configure and bootstrap the build environment for Plucker and most projects pulled directly from CVS), viewer/config.h.in will be created for you. It doesn't exist in cvs, because it doesn't have to.. Good luck. -- David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com "Erosion of civil liberties... is a threat to national security." ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker server?
Download the script from http://prussfamily.us/pluckserv.pl You'll want to fix that so its not trying to parse the script. Rename the public version .perl or something, so we can fetch a copy and take a look at what you've done. Right now, its trying to parse the .pl script and failing not-so-gracefully ;) No error checking? David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker server?
I have it installed on Linux and tried an earlier version on Windows. So there you go =) David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker server?
I'd like to have a Plucker server. What I'd like to do is to be able to go from a PDA to a URL like: There are probably several of us out here with that.. ;) I'm sure I could cook something up that fits your requirements (modulo some limits on depth and such), but it would be so immensely drowned by public hits, it wouldn't be feasible to put out there for general consumption. Catch me privately, I'll throw something together. I suppose I could cobble together something using netcat, perl and PyPlucker, in effect writing a mini web server sitting on port 5000, but there has to be an easier way. Cleaner than that... no need to make it complicated. I already have the code out there in the email reflector (pler), just have to have it sitting on a webpage instead of smtp. Should be easy to roll up. Hit me privately if you have more requirements/details. IBM keeps me extrmely busy these days, so I don't have much time to monkey with Plucker as much as I used to, but this kind of diversion sounds like fun. Incidentally, I have a (semi) public rss/xml/rdf server set up, takes any valid feed, converts it to clean, validated HTML, which you can then point Plucker and and convert to your heart's desire. Some select users have been using it on a regular basis so far without complaints. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Newer compiled binaries?
Well, as far as I can tell from the list of options the binaries are not built with the debug log option. Setting debug to on will have no effect unless the debug log option is also activated, so there is no performance penalty due to this. The disabled armlets support could, however, have some effect on newer Palm devices. Hrm, I'll take a look and see what happened there. --enable-armlets is passed in, as are: --enable-debug_labels --enable-debug_log --enable-gesture_debug If these aren't doing what they should, configure is broken. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Newer compiled binaries?
http://www.plkr.org/snaps First, I'm on dialup, almost 4 megabytes of source code to download. Second, I'd also have to download and install etc software for a "Palm development environment", however large that is, for Windows XP. You didn't look down far enough... scroll down. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Newer compiled binaries?
When are newer compiled binaries of Plucker Viewer going to be available at http://www.plkr.org/dl ? Hourly snapshots have been up for awhile now, check: http://www.plkr.org/snaps David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Replacing Unicode characters in HTML?
What'd be nice is a small program that would automatically find and replace the codes with the characters. That'd lose things like left and right quotes, but on a small PDA screen it makes little difference. For characters with no direct equivalent, like the lozenge, the program could allow the user to select an ASCII/ANSI character to replace it. Doesn't the Plucker distiller's --filter feature do what you want? --filter=: Pass fetched documents through filter prior to parsing. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Support for iSilo pdb files
I see your point. But the problem is that these medicine books are available only on this format. My view is that plucker would be more interesting to me if it could support more file types, like OpenOffice support Microsoft formats. This is not to start a fight. I just asked to know the possibility of developing for another characteristic for Plucker. Sure, have the iSilo author make the format for his .pdb files public and we'll see if someone from the community decides to add support to Plucker for them. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Fwd: Support for iSilo pdb files
I'm new to the list and I come with a question: is there any plan for plucker to support iSilo pdb files? I've got news that OpieReader supports it through code from anonymous sources that makes possible to read iSilo files. Why would Plucker support a proprietary, closed format? The more-logical step, would be to ask why iSilo doesn't support Plucker documents. The format is open, documented, clear and used in dozens of applications now. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: [Plucker DB] Charset metadata of sequences of "linked" text records
Is there any reason to worry too much about these old-style links? There is not much reason for a pyplucker user to generate them nowadays. Will removing that support break existing Plucker documents that are distributed on the web today? I know of a lot of places who have done conversions and ebooks in Plucker format (LDP, Blackmask, etc.) that would probably have to re-gen their books, if the viewer was no longer capable of supporting these links. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Plucker snapshot returned to hourly
Since there seems to be more frequent fixes going into Plucker recently, I've moved the snapshot back to an hourly build instead of a daily build as before. Let me know if something breaks or could be done better. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker server on Project Gutenberg
I'm the webmaster of Project Gutenberg and I'm about to install the plucker distiller on the PG website. The idea is to have people download a ready-made plucker pdb instead of requiring them to run the distiller on the appropriate ebook file. There's a LOT of tools out there that do this, in varying degrees of success. Some are public, some are not. I've been mirroring the entire Gutenberg archive for awhile, and been doing automated conversions of the texts to Plucker, using various tools I've thrown together, but mostly for my own use and some private redistribution. I'm going to replace the text/plain parser with a custom one that will (try to) parse chapter heads, italics etc. out of the plain text. I'd be interested to see how you solve the context issue that has been brought up on the pg lists over the last year or so. Its a very complicated issue, and to date, nobody has solved it without trying to reinvent the base PG text format into something different. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Status of Annotations? Where to download betas?
> The CVS snapshot has annotation support, but the format for storing > them will be radically changed soon, so while you can use the CVS > snapshot version's annotation facilities (you need to set the right > function to show up as the lookup / word tap action), all your > annotations will be lost when the next official version will come > out. Something broke the builds, stopped on 8/7. I just dumped the build tree and recreated it from scratch and it is now building clean again. Snapshot is current as of 8/29 as I write this. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
RE: Cpluck
> I've tried that now, with MinGW and MSYS, and havent' had any real > success. So if one of you would be willing to mail it to me I'd be > very grateful. I'm not sure it runs on Windows (yet). Someone who runs Windows and has the right tools will have to take the time to port it over and correct/update those files. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Cpluck
> I think it'd be a good idea to perhaps make a snapshot of the CPluck > binary available. I've downloaded the source snapshot, but the .dsw > and .dsp aren't exactly up to date, and there are a few dependencies > that needs downloading too. The CPluck binary is entirely self-contained within the source tree. It doesn't use any Visual C++ or Microsoft dependencies at all (.dsp and .dsw files for example). Just build it inside the tree and you should be all set; that's what Chris and I (and others?) have been doing. We should probably drop the .dsw and .dsp files from the parser/c++ directory though to avoid any confusion.. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: maxwidth breaks maxdepth (??)
> Use --alt-maxheight=0 and --alt-maxwidth=0 to include 'big' versions > of the pictures. I have never (successfully) used the maxheight and > maxwidth options without also using the corresponding alt-* options. That will create double-images in the .pdb, bloating its size for images I'll never be tapping on normally, 2 copies of every image (shouldn't it just be a pointer to the same record, instead of creating a duplicate record?) I just tried it and it does indeed fetch _all_ of the links, but the final .pdb is 6,558,390 bytes (1,176 records) in size for 2.2M of original source data (218 original files). Shouldn't be _smaller_ than the original source material? David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: maxwidth breaks maxdepth (??)
> When I pluck this document with a maxdepth=30 maxwidth=300, > maxdepth gets cut off at about 20, and only the first two albums are > shown with usable links (albums 3 and 4 are "offsite", not fetched > by Plucker). Ok, its even weirder... when I pluck this document with the following synctax: plucker-build -H file:/path/to/index.html --tables --maxwidth=300 --maxdepth=50 [...] And in my ~/.pluckerrc, I have: [DEFAULT] verbosity = 1 bpp = 16 image_parser = netpbm2 copyprevention_bit= false backup_bit= false launchable_bit= false icon = false zlib_compression = true home_maxdepth = 50 maxwidth = 300 no_urlinfo= 1 (Note: maxwidth and home_maxdepth in .pluckerrc appear to be completely ignored by the Python distiller). The final .pdb is created with 16bpp, but album 2's first link is a link to album 1's page 13, and there doesn't seem to be a way to get to any of the sub-links in album 2 (the log claims 792 records were put into this .pdb, its 3.1M in size). Something fishy is going on here, definately. I'll keep banging away at it, but I don't ever remember the parser being this broken in the past, and the C++ distiller seems to be acting up as well. Also note: these HTML pages work perfectly in a browser. I'll zip them up and put them online later today if I can't figure this thing out. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: maxwidth breaks maxdepth (??)
> When I pluck this document with a maxdepth=30 maxwidth=300,
> maxdepth gets cut off at about 20, and only the first two albums are
> shown with usable links (albums 3 and 4 are "offsite", not fetched
> by Plucker).
I can confirm this bug is also present in the C++ distiller in
CVS as well, but it is behaving much different, with similar results
(failure to fetch all 121 images and related links):
With _any_ maxdepth setting, I only get the first album's
links fetched, skipping albums 2 through 4. Tapping on the very first
link in Plucker (a 100x100 thumbnail image of a house), throws an
error of:
"Insufficient memory for uncompressing the
page. You will need to free up RAM memory."
I've got plenty of free RAM, and this happens after a soft or
hard reset, with and without zlib compression enabled.
By taking out --maxdepth=30 from the cplucker build command,
cplucker fetches 47 links from the first album, and then stops
fetching, completes the document creation, and creates what appears to
be a corrupted document.
If I add --tables, cplucker fetches only 24 links from the
first album, using the same maxdepth setting (30) as in all prior
tests.
If I use --tables, --maxdepth=300, --maxwidth=300, cpluck only
fetches 11 links from the first album, and creates a corrupted doc.
In all cases, the documents created are trashed, and I am
unable to tap on or open even the first link.
This is just bizarre...
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maxwidth breaks maxdepth (??)
This is a weird one and I just ran into it this morning. It was hard to pin down exactly what was causing it... if I can get someone else to reproduce this, I'll file it as an official bug. I have a directory of HTML files given to me by another person who does little "slideshows" of real-estate and other stuff. There are 97 .html files linking to 121 separate .jpg files. The top-level page has 4 links to the 4 "albums" in the doc. Each album has about 23 separate html pages in it. Each page has a 310x225 image and some little navigation jpegs below it '<< < [] > >>' basically (beginning, previous, home, next, last). So far so good... When I pluck this document with a maxdepth=30 maxwidth=300, maxdepth gets cut off at about 20, and only the first two albums are shown with usable links (albums 3 and 4 are "offsite", not fetched by Plucker). If I remove --maxwidth=300, the document contains all of the target links at the proper depth (though the right-side of the images are cut off because they are 310px wide). I confirmed this with 16bpp, 8bpp, and below. I can also confirm this by setting maxdepth=100 or higher, which _should_ get all of the links in this relatively-small tree. I also tried --depth-first, which didn't help either. What the heck is going on here? David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Cpluck
> I recently found a c++ regex library that does PERL style matching. > I think we should use it (it's GPL) as it would free us from using > OS specific 'C' regex calls for Exclusions. We should include this in the tree somewhere, since we're going to run into problems when users try to build this. Since it isn't included in any standard distribution, and it requires either hand-editing of the Makefile to add an install target, or hand-copying of the headers to /usr/include/* to get resolve the dependencies that cplucker has on it. Its small enough, lets put it in tools/regex for now. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker in C (++)
> Thanks David (& Alex) !! Before this gets too widespread, we should probably clean up that tree a bit more, add a README in that directory to provide some info about what it is, what license it is covered by, who wrote the original code, what features are present and missing, and so on. The most-important part is the license at this stage. There is a GPL_LICENSE.txt in that dir (which can probably be tossed, since we already have a COPYING file in the parent dir), and we should make sure that each file contains the license header as well, lest someone snatch one of the files before we stamp it, and use it in a way that violates that license. I hate to play the Warden, but we've seen abuse here before. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker in C (++)
> You're right. Can it be moved?? Moved, updated configure.in (which we should move to configure.ac at some point), and testing a build now... its in /parser/c++ waiting for testers ;) David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker in C (++)
> If I did everything right, Cplucker is now in CVS. Shouldn't that have gone into /parser/cpp or something? David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: beaming the Plucker prc
> On the Palm OS, it appears that the Plucker .prc cannot be beamed > except through a utility like FileZ. Is this the case? Is there an > easy way to change that? Due to the way PalmOS handles applications by searching for them by CreatorID, beaming Plucker through the standard OS methods will also beam all documents and resources with the 'Plkr' CreatorID. For Palm devices with lots of documents, or private documents, this may not be ideal. FileZ is probably the best way to do it, or you could add some custom hooks in Plucker itself to beam the .prc (and don't forget the compression lib; SysZLib.prc, if installed), from within Plucker itself. A good menu title for that could be "Share Plucker" or something along those lines.. Nobody has offered that as a patch or suggested feature before that I can recall. Care to send a patch that introduces that feature along for consideration? David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Font Collector is Free
> Now, the big question is: Is anybody other than me going to > contribute code to it? The bigger question is... what needs to be contributed? What parts, features, code, bugs, etc. need to be added or removed? David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: OS X building?
> Yes. I use a fink-installed copy of ImageMagick under OS X with no > troubles. Hopefully when/if Opusculus gets functional again, that'll be the de-facto version for that platform... but only time and volunteers will determine that. ;) David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: OS X building?
> > Just get yourself Fink, and build Python, and you're done. > Actually, Python ships pre-installed on Mac OS X. No need to build > it. Actually you're right, I stand corrected. You will need to build the other bits though (netpbm, etc.) David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: OS X building?
> > I stick to Python and Perl spiders on that platform. > What's the status of the Perl spider right now? Not production-ready at this point. I'm bolting on some more pieces, but I have to rebuild the main project website first, that takes priority at this point. I'm redoing it from the ground up with a lot less code, a lot more templating, and a lot more functionality. I've learned from my mistakes in the last couple of years, and I'm going to apply that knowledge to the site and the spider. I'm also going to be devoting some regular time to fixing and releasing that spider (yes, FINALLY, after how many years?) in the coming months. There are little pieces of it everywhere in the mailing lists, cvs, and other bits, but I'm going to put the whole thing out there for use and review, hopefully the first half of this year. But the Python spider, the "reference API" for Plucker, needs some TLC, because its starting to stagnate behind what the viewer is capable of rendering, as Mike mentioned a few days ago. Bill? Jim? Are you out there? Any time to work on those bits? David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: OS X building?
> > Plucker Desktop on OSX is another monster, but I'm slowly > > working on those pieces to get it back to a buildable status. More > > eyes and hands are, of course, appreciated. > I assume jpluck works? It probably does, if you don't mind lack of table support, corrupt records when building large documents, and some other weird quirks with caching and other aspects of that tool... I've never run JPluck on OSX, I stick to Python and Perl spiders on that platform. Maybe some JPluck OSX users can chime in? David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: OS X building?
> I am thinking of switching to a powerbook from my dell. Are there > any problems with building Plucker under OS X, with sync'ing prcs to > a Clie NX from OS X, and with using MS Import for transfering larger > files? None that I've seen thus far, and pilot-link works beautifully there (3-4mb/sec too, which is nice). SyncBuddy and MissingSync (both commercial Palm sync apps [based on pilot-link, of course]) also work great on that platform. There's really no need for "MS Import" for large files, if you just use pilot-link or the other apps above to copy the files to your external storage. Just get yourself Fink, and build Python, and you're done. Plucker Desktop on OSX is another monster, but I'm slowly working on those pieces to get it back to a buildable status. More eyes and hands are, of course, appreciated. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: pdb to html
Thanks...for a moment I thought that someone actually posted a message, months ago on this board, saying they took over JPluck and are hosting it under different name...absent mindedness :-( Yes, that would be me. I'm spearheading "Opusculus", but there is nothing of note to mention on the project page. I'll probably put a Drupal CMS up there at some point to collect the blogs and code and forums for that project.. So, what's the difference between unpluck and explode tools? One is a library, one is the code that uses that library. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: pdb to html
I was wandering if there is a tool that could decompile plucker pdbs into original source html files? unpluck/explode, in the Plucker source tree. Also, what's the "new" home page for JPluck that was taken over by the Plucker team...any new stuff there? There is none, JPluck was never a project sponsored by the core Plucker team. It was a project developed by Laurens Fridael, and is no longer active. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Doxygen version of the Plucker source code
I've taken the time today to run the Plucker CVS source code
through Doxygen, and put it online for anyone interested in working
with it in this format.
For those unfamiliar with Doxygen, it is a way to graphically
document and map source code. It allows you to visually "walk the
tree" of functions, headers, class structures, and many other things.
I've been using Doxygen for pilot-link for over a year now,
and its made it MUCH easier to spot and eliminate unnecessary circular
references, double-header inclusions, and many other common mistakes
that happen when you're working on a large project, and which aren't
easy to spot when looking at one file at a time.
Doxygen also allows us to create a "manual" of the source code
in pdf, postscript, LaTeX, manpages or other formats, if we ever
needed to. Its really a powerful development tool for documenting
code. It will make it very obvious where gotchas and other issues are
happening in your project. I highly recommend it for anyone who writes
code in C, C++, Java, and PHP.
As you walk through the pages, the images that you see, are
clickable image maps, and can be clicked to bring you to the members,
headers, source code and other pieces that they refernce. Its all
"live".
This is now set up for a nightly rebuild (takes about an hour
to run), including crushing the png files and reformatting the html
output slightly.
If anyone spots any buglets, mistakes, or anything that
generally doesn't work right with it, please let me know right away,
so I can fix it.
http://doxygen.plkr.org/
Enjoy.
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Re: Build problems
> Actually, I fixed it by reinstalling all of cygwin. Don't know why, > but that did the trick. Thanks! Ah yes, I forgot... The solution to all problems on Windows is to reinstall. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Build problems
> For some reason, erasing the entire CVS dir and re-importing did the > trick for the first error set. However, for some reason, only the > second make succeeds - the first produces the same error. So, now > I'm stuck on the implicit declaration error, which would not be a > problem without the -Werror flag... suggestions? What SDK are you building it with? sdk-5r3 is what the hourly snapshots are built with. 5.4 is a little unstable, so I stayed with the current Linux/prc-tools recommended version. > > Been having some trouble building plucker viewer from CVS for some > > time using the 5r4 Palm SDK. The build environment is Cygwin. Does it work if you use the right SDK? Try 5r3. > > ./configure goes fine using all default options: What options are you passing to configure? My configure syntax is about 3 lines long (yes, literally). You're not just launching "configure" without any modifiers, are you? But as I said, the code is fine, the hourly snapshots are built with the 5r3 SDK and the 2.2.90.cvs20030306-4.1 version of prc-tools (latest available on the build machine's environment). Use that combination, it should work fine. Make sure you're running a 'distclean' between each build, and make sure you're cvs update syntax is correct (cvs up -dP). David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Unicode patch 4
> This is plucker & palmfontconv unicode patch. > List of relevant changes: Just curious if this has been implemented yet. The thread seemed to die here, and its 9 months old. I have a few pages that look pretty bad without proper utf-8 support in Plucker. I tried the samples indicated on Radovan's page, but they don't look right either on my Vx, m505, T2 and T3 devices. Has anyone else successfully rendered LAtin1, Cyrillic, etc. characters in plucker without using any third-party hacks? David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: plucker and GNU
> Similarly, if you make a plucker-derived program that is ONLY used > within your company or other organization, you only have to make the > source code available within that organization. There's one catch here, and one Bluefish tried to exploit to their advantage: If you have "partners", "vendors" and "contractors" working under your company's umbrella, giving them modified copies does NOT fall under the "within your company" clause of the GPL. If anyone other than officers of your company obtain the modified copies through your own distribution, you are required to provide source upon request. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: plucker and GNU
> I'm thinking about writing some mods to plucker, and I was wondering > about the GNU (and this question may sound silly, but bear with me): > are there any circumstances where I'm using some sort of plucker > code where I have no obligation to share my code? Or is basically > everything covered? Thanks, GNU is a philosophy. The GNU GPL, is a license that embodies that philosophy. If you're referring to the license which binds the Plucker project, you are specifically talking about the GNU GPL. In this case, any modifications you make to Plucker's source code, which are then distributed publically to others, must be made available upon request, in source form. These modifications don't include minor things like changing the order of menu options or changing the pacifier icon to something else. Those do not benefit other users, and aren't necessary to contribute back. For example: - If you create a modification to Plucker that adds a feature like say... forms support, and you distribute that modified Plucker version to others, that source code must be made available to others upon request. - If you incorporate Plucker source code into your own project, and distribute that project publically, the full source code to the pieces linked to the Plucker source code, must be made available upon request. Other than that, I'm not sure I understand your question. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list plucker-dev@rubberchicken.org http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Bitstream Vera fonts
> (The patent issue is with the freetype2 library's TT hinting. For > patent reasons, my official distribution of PalmFontConv uses ft2 in > autohint mode.) I've ALWAYS changed the bytecode and Apple rendering on freetype on all of my systems, before I even install the Bitstream Vera or any other truetype fonts. The Apple rendering is SO much nicer than the Microsoft rendering of the same fonts. Add to that, the bytecode interpretor, and you've got yourself some pretty snazzy looking fonts. Then again, I'm a bit unique, with 20/5 vision and 6-7px fonts on 1400x1050 and 1600x1200 screen, for my normal work days. People lean really close in and squint just to read my screen, but I see it just fine. Your idea is interesting though. I'm actually collecting a lot of fonts and related licensing bits to make "Font Packs" for download from the Plucker site for the 2.0 release. Incidentally... I haven't heard from Mike or Robert O'Connor in a long time now (and the lists have been pretty quiet, though "tis the season" I guess). Have you heard/seen from them at all? I'm getting a lot of people on irc asking about a newer version of Plucker Desktop, and Robert has the keys to that castle. I've built it before for a client in Spain, but it wasn't pretty, and I'd really prefer that he handle those pieces. Robert/Mike, are you out there? David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: newbie problems
However, the CVS does not contain either configure file, but only one autogen.sh, which does not create a configure script in the viewer directory. How can I compile the viewer? Run autogen.sh with your specific arguments, and it will generate a 'configure' for you (out of configure.in), and then it will bootstrap configure with your specific parameters. For example: sh ./autogen.sh \ --prefix=/usr \ --enable-palmosbuild\ --disable-gtkviewer \ --disable-docbuild \ --disable-desktopbuild \ --disable-explode \ --enable-armlets\ --enable-wait_icon=thought-bubble \ --enable-debug_labels \ --enable-debug_log \ --enable-gesture_debug \ --enable-category=Unfiled \ --enable-errorchecklevel=full BTW, there's some inconsistencies in the documentation: I've asked for help cleaning that up numerous times. Care to give us a hand? David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Plucker BitTorrent updates
I have updated the version of the BitTorrent tracker software used on the Plucker domain and added a couple of my own minor patches, which enhances the functionality a little bit. Now you can visit the Plucker BitTorrent tracker url (below) and click on the file you want directly from within the tracker. Save the .torrent to disk, and run your BitTorrent client against it to fetch (or mirror) the file. If your browser is configured to launch the proper BitTorrent client, this will happen automatically. http://torrents.plkr.org:8000/ Thanks again to everyone who has helped contribute. More new things are coming very soon... stay tuned! David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Jpluck
Laurens tells me that someone on the dev list may be planning to fork the Jpluck code, now that Laurens is no longer doing active development but has moved on to a commercial project (Good luck to him!!). Are plans currently in the works? I was going to create a sourceforge project for the fork sometime this week, but will wait if the thing is still in the planning stages (or perhaps someone has already started a fork...). We've already done this... though not on SourceForge. We have a Java.net project set up, team is already chosen and parts/roles are being doled out, as we restructure the code and clean out the bugs that lurked into there. Once we rebrand the code, we may make a quick release, which will probably be JPluck + rebranding, and then we can begin working on the new features I've proposed to the team. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: theoretical bug
Oops! Nevermind: I found my bug. Don't keep us all in suspense... what was it? ;) d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: theoretical bug
My suggestion is to check for a .pdb or .prc extension (depending on what we are searching for) before calling VFSFileDBInfo(). The other advantage of doing this is that it would speed up the VFS scan since we wouldn't have to open some of the files. That would probably miss a lot of Plucker documents created with the '.plkr' extension or others (filename_extension). In my case, the problems you described with your app ClieSkinner, does not seem to affect my Palm devices here (all Palm devices up to Tungsten T2 at the least. I don't have any Clie devices, so I can't test those, but the others (Palm, Handspring, Treo) all seemed to work fine, with lots of non-Palm files interspersed in the same dirs that Plucker uses to scan for docs. It may be that for some mysterious reason this method works in Plucker but not in my code. We've seen a LOT of issues with Clie devices recently with pilot-link, and some people have reported some bugs in the OS running on them, which is supposedly fixed in OS5.4.. Maybe you're seeing this? Here's a copy of the message from palm-dev. This may be relevant for you: Subject: Re: OS 5.4 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The reason I am interested in OS 5.4 is because it has a patch for a bug that is causing me grief. The specific bug prevents the VFS from enumerating the root directory of an memory card if the root directory contains more than 7 or so files with long file names (long meaning that they do not conform to the 8.3 file name convention). I have investigated a variety of approaches to resolving this issue but as far as I have been able to determine, the only viable solution is get a hold of OS 5.4. Note that the application I am writing must access files in the root directory of the memory card. These files cannot be located in a subdirectory of the card. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Weird list/element bug in TextParser.py
In TextParser.py, there is a block of code that checks to see how many list items there are in a given list, and if they are < 26, the list members are assigned an uppercase element id. If they are > 26, they are assigned a lowercase element id. I should also mention that this problem affects JPluck as well, in a very different way. In JPluck, a simple list with a sub-list under it, looks like: 1. Introduction 2. 1. Foo 2. Bar 3. Baz Yes, that indenting is exactly how it looks. I'm not sure why it adds the '2. ' prefix in front, and then restarts the numbering again at 1, but thats how it lays it out. We'll be fixing this in the new version of the Java parser, when we get around to that point. David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Weird list/element bug in TextParser.py
In TextParser.py, there is a block of code that checks to see how many list items there are in a given list, and if they are < 26, the list members are assigned an uppercase element id. If they are > 26, they are assigned a lowercase element id. This means that a list with 20 items, looks like this: 1) Introduction A) Foo B) Bar C) Baz If there are 30 items, that same list looks like this: 1) Introduction a) Foo b) Bar c) Baz This is a problem, because there are attributes to the list tags, which define where the list starts, and at what type. I have a document that looks like this: Introduction Foo Bar Baz Ideally, that should look like: 1. Introduction a. Foo b. Bar c. Baz With 'type="A"', it should look like: 1. Introduction A. Foo B. Bar C. Baz The list element id shouldn't change its case, based on the NUMBER of elements found in the list, but based on the ATTRIBUTE passed to the tag itself, if any at all. This includes: numbers (1, 2, 3) uppercase letters (A, B, C) lowercase letters (a, b, c) uppercase Roman numerals (I, II, III) lowercase Roman numerals (i, ii, iii) The other odd bit of this bug, is that it seems to also replace the element id with '?)' if the number doesn't match the < or > 26 values. There are a few things wrong with the output here as well. Lists do not display parenthesis in their members when displayed. This means: 1) Introduction Should be rendered as: 1. Introduction Similarly for sub-list members: A) Foo vs. A. Foo a) Foo vs. a. Foo My overall readability of Python scores low, but this appears to be right around lines 2033 in TextParser.py. Below is a quick diff to fix some of this. I'm not clear on how to fix the other bits (parsing the 'type' attribute, and passing in the proper value). There is also some issues with indenting of the sub-list members that needs to get fixed at some point. I'll see what I can hack on to fix this in the meantime. My Python sucks though, so if anyone else wants to take the ball and run with this, please do. ;) diff -u -r1.66 TextParser.py --- a/TextParser.py 13 Apr 2004 03:37:16 - 1.66 +++ b/TextParser.py 14 Sep 2004 16:37:24 - @@ -2040,15 +2040,15 @@ data[0] = number + 1 indent = 12 if self._ol_list_depth % 3 == 1: -text = "%d) " % number +text = "%d. " % number elif self._ol_list_depth % 3 == 2: if number < 26: -text = string.uppercase[number-1] + ") " +text = string.uppercase[number-1] + ". " else: text = "?) " elif self._ol_list_depth % 3 == 0: if number < 26: -text = string.lowercase[number-1] + ") " +text = string.lowercase[number-1] + ". " else: text = "?) " table_margin = self._ol_list_depth David A. Desrosiers [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gnu-designs.com ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Plucker mentioned in ePublishing Blog
A very interesting article I just found. He makes a lot of good points overall, and gives us a lot of credit for what we're doing with Plucker. http://shadowdark.org/epublish/2004/09/plucker-ebook-reader-and-compiler.html "Plucker does not spend enough time trumpeting how good of an ebook compiler and reader they have. The reader, on the Palm has one of the most elegant interfaces I have seen. The compiler is not quite as straight forward but if you play with it you will figure it out rather quickly. Both reader and compiler are absolutely free and without any royalties for publishing in the format." d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker integrated with PalmOS calendar?
> There's no HTML out there right now that supports this (or is > there?), so obviously this wouldn't be useful for Plucking random > web pages. But I'm starting to create a lot of my own web pages with > scripts, and some of them suggest the ability to add appointments > (movie listings, Heavens Above, etc). Why not just add your own tags to the HTML, and then add the requisite components to the parser to trigger the right function code in your modified Plucker viewer? Lunch or some such. It would be easy to tie that into the (not-yet-released) bits of pilot-link which will be grokking XML import and export directly. You could write a quick script to parse your existing datebook, and turn that back into HTML for Plucker, if you wanted, or the reverse, tappable links in Plucker to populate a datebook on the Palm. I think its a really great and unique idea. > My HTML language design aesthetic sense is weak... would it be more > tasteful to implement this as an extension to the anchor tag, or to > invent a new tag? My time is pretty limited, but I can certainly help with the aesthetic bits of the HTML, if you want. > If it's an anchor tag, does it make more sense to try to squeeze > everything one string (like mailto: does with recipient and sender) > or to break it out into multiple attributes? Why not just use an XML file, transformed into HTML with the proper XSLT + DTD (or XML forms). You could even take an RSS feed, with a proper stylesheet, and handle that. Anything is possible, when you control the parser. > Or is this whole thing a stupid idea to begin with? Nothing that increases Plucker's market is a stupid idea. As Jean Luc Picard once said to Data: "Everything is impossible, until it isn't." d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Critical problem in new format (was: Support for new Plucker features in the Parser.)
It should be quite simple to write a script that could convert documents from the new format to the old format (without the new features), though. Would it be possible to make the viewer do this automagically, upon opening an "older" format document? The problem I see with writing a script to convert the documents, is that we'll be in the mess of cross-platform compatibility issues. Or perhaps an UpdatePlkr.prc that can be launched to do it? Also, the other bit of a problem, is having to convert the documents to the _older_ format. For example, if someone submits a Plucker document to MemoWare or PalmGear in the "new" format, and someone without the latest viewer tries to read/run it.. A script would be better in the short term, but I think we'll run into all kinds of new bug reports from users who 1.) can't run the script, 2.) don't want to run the script, 3.) complain that Plucker is broken ;) It might even be a good idea to add another field that includes the header size (or offset to the text/image data) to be able to handle future changes without breaking the format. I agree with this, definately. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker on Treo 600
> I've been seriously contemplating buying a Treo 600 and wanted to ask the > community if there are any bugs/problems with using Plucker on this > device? I'd like to specifically hear from people who actually tried it on > the device and what was their experience? I think that's the exact device Mike Nordstrom uses, so I'm pretty sure there are zero problems with it. In fact, I think there are a few Treo 600-specific hooks in Plucker to launch the onboard browser for "off-doc" links, if I remember correctly. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
RE: Desktop vs JPluck
> This is 751 files that are on my local disk. Jpluck takes 39 seconds and > Desktop takes 5:40 to complete. Two other interesting notes; Jpluck lists > 1182 files and Desktop list 1313 files. Desktop also takes over 20 > seconds just to write out the file. Different langauges use different methods. One is Python, one is Java, and they are both designed with very different goals and mechanisms involved. It is no surprise that your results are different. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Support the Plucker project.. buy some gear!
I started with just a hat and shirt, and just went nuts from there. We don't "officially" have any slogans... suggestions are certainly welcome for that. If you don't see something you'd like, let me know, and I'll make it or change it. I'm hoping the selections we have to offer will improve over time. http://www.cafeshops.com/plucker d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Website changes, snapshot changes, everything changes..
In an effort to decrease the confusion about which file to download when testing snapshots, I've changed the way I iterate through them in the snapshot directory.. it should be much more "human readable" now. Please let me know if it could be improved further. I am also revamping the download page as well, for the same sorts of concerns. We now have so many different kinds of files to choose from (viewer, parser, desktop, translations, docs, source code, etc.) If anybody here is adept at creating validated XHTML, and want to help lay out that information better, please send me samples.. Starting with the 1.8 release, I will also be making "press kits" for others to use to further advertise Plucker to their own communities. Feel free to use this information to spread to your own forums, websites and other communities. You can see one example here for the 1.8 release: http://downloads.plkr.org/1.8/release.html Note that this release.html file is not "true" HTML, in that it is missing the start and end tags that signify a valid HTML document, but that is because it is used to nest within other sites for advertising, such as Palmgear. Improvements to the layout of that are also welcome. Lastly.. as summer approaches, I will be further tightening up the code that runs the Plucker website, including all of the ancillary Perl tools currently running alongside it (pler; the email reflector, pdf2pl; converting pdf to Plucker, and so on). Suggestions for new features and options are encouraged for those items, and any other tools you think we could use to promote and assist other Plucker users. I will also be aggressively attacking the documentation as well.. and I'll need some help from translators to translate the documentation into other native languages. If anyone has any other items they'd like me to help out with, please speak up.. I'm here to lend a hand where I can, and where time permits. For those celebrating, have a great holiday weekend! d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: GPL Violation
> On the other hand, with a willful violator, I wouldn't mind getting my > percentage of the $500-$100,000 statutory damages per infringement (i.e., > per download of the violating binaries, no?) That normally works, when the software is "sold" by the violating company (i.e. there is a paper trail). With Free Software, there is no real way to tell how many people downloaded it, got it from their friends, copied it on CD at their LUG, or in the case of Bluefish Wireless, was "delivered" the application from one of their (braindead and incredibly insecure) "pods" at one of the local tradeshows. In cases like this, a blanket settlement amount is usually agreed-upon by all parties, and levied that way. Of course, this doesn't mean that the violation just "goes away", they still have to comply, they are simply paying a "fine" for prior damages. If downloads continue to happen, without compliance, the process starts all over again. In the case of Bluefish Wireless, they were, at one point, claiming that they wrote the app themselves, to their customers. This is what the law calls "False designation of origin", which is protected by the Lanham Act (a separate violating in itself). The GPL is a license, not a law or a contract. Once a company is found to be violating it, their rights to continue to redistribute the code under that license are revoked. Every copy they sell/distribute after that point is a separate and independant instance of a US Copyright violation, protected by the rights of the country that it is registered in... in our case, the US. The GPL _grants_ rights, it doesn't take them away. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: GPL Violation
> >Can we know the name of the app? > Or at least let us know how this progresses. I've never seen what happens > during a GPL violation and I am very curious. Please let the team handle it directly. We don't want to start a campaign of users cold-calling companies who are asserted to be violating the license of Plucker. Their mistake may be accidental, or it may be maliscious. Let us find out on our own. We can of course, let you know what we find out, within our legal limits to do so, but it really isn't useful to talk about that kind of stuff here on the lists. The first step in any asserted violation, is discovery. We have to make sure that the company accused of being in violation, is indeed in violation. An investigation of the facts has to commence first, before it can be branded a "violation". We've been through this a couple of times already for this project, and I'm dealing with it in another project of my own (pilot-link) with 3 other companies. It is a slow-moving iceberg, but most legal matters are. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: [seeds] Plucker 1.8 Release packages, mirrors requested
> Eventually I got it. I found the zip-o-torrents, and from there made it > work. My copy of Azureus is handling the load nicely. If you're curious, here are the stats for that: http://downloads.plkr.org/stats/ http://torrents.plkr.org:8000/ d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: [seeds] Plucker 1.8 Release packages, mirrors requested
> [2] Zip-o-Torrents: http://downloads.plkr.org/plkr.org.torrents.zip > md5sum: d4266da0c90621238e826fbed12d4cbc plkr.org.torrents.zip > (74,921 bytes) Oops, I made a small typo on one of the files in here. I have corrected it and made a new zip. Please grab the new .zip, or rm the .torrent and file that matches the following names. The new .zip is 74,922 bytes in size, with an md5sum of 2c37dca171f9a2cf637f1314f0c36af7. plucker_src-1.8..zip plucker_src-1.8..zip.torrent (Note the accidental double '.' character before the .zip extension) If you only want to download the updated version of this torrent, please grab the following: http://torrents.plkr.org/plucker_src-1.8.zip.torrent Sorry about that.. fast fingers, slow brain this morning ;) d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
[seeds] Plucker 1.8 Release packages, mirrors requested
It is that time again. Time for the Plucker seeds and mirrors to help us redistribute a new Plucker release... this time version 1.8! This is the latest in the "stable" series of Plucker releases. I have taken the time to convert all of the .bz2 files to .zip also, and made .torrent versions of those for users who do not know how to unpack a .bz2 file or aren't sure of which file to download. Once all of the seeds are populated, and I can see the BitTorrent tracker acknowledge them all, I will activate the news article and links to download them from the main website and other locations. For those who don't know the procedure yet, here are the steps: 1.) Download the BitTorrent client[1] for your OS. 2.) Unpack and install that first 3.) Download the Plucker zip-o-torrents file[2] 4.) Unpack that into an empty directory with about 100M free space 5.) Run your BitTorrent "multi" client across ALL of the torrents in the directory you just unpacked them into, by passing it the ame of the directory with these torrents in it. If you are using nux or Unix, this is called 'btlaunchmany' or 'btlaunchmanycurses' if you want to see all the files at once (make sure your window is resized large nough, or you will get Python errors from curses). If you unpacked the .torrents into /var/lib/plucker, you would run the client as follows: btlaunchmany /var/lib/plucker/ If you have set it up correctly, you should see your "seed" start downloading all of the releases into the directory specified, and then begin sending pieces upstream (uploading) to the requesting other seeds and clients. Please note: running BitTorrent as a client, or a seed *DOES NOT*, in any way, open your system or data up for viewing by any other seed or clients. It will only send pieces of the files specified by the .torrent files you have downloaded and pointed to when you launched your client. BitTorrent is not a "downloader", so please respect that in order for the system to work, you MUST keep your BitTorrent client running after all of the files have been downloaded. It only works, when there are peers on the network, actively sending bits of the files. If you download what you want, and close your BitTorrent client, NOBODY benefits, except you, and that isn't exactly embracing the community spirit. If you have any questions, problems, concerns, or other issues, please let me know. Also, if you choose to download these files with BitTorrent, and want to share them up for other users over http or ftp, please let me know the URL _directly_, and I will link to it from the main website downloads page. Thanks again everyone for helping out, and keep on Plucking! [1] BitTorrent: http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/ [2] Zip-o-Torrents: http://downloads.plkr.org/plkr.org.torrents.zip md5sum: d4266da0c90621238e826fbed12d4cbc plkr.org.torrents.zip (74,921 bytes) d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: T3 user?
> It was reported to me that this happens in PalmBible+ which uses the > exact same DIA code, so I'm worried it happens in Plucker, too. If so, > it's going to be a hard bug to fix as there does not seem to be a way > for me to duplicate this on the simulator as it doesn't have a slider. My T3 Simulator has a slider. Are you sure you're using the right T3 Simulator? There are two.. one from palmOne, and one from Palmsource. You can see a quick screenshot that shows one of the sample docs in Plucker (latest snapshot) on the T3 Simulator under Windows2000 here: http://code.plkr.org/T3_Simulator_Plucker.png d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: building Vademecum
> I tried to build vademecum from the cvs source and everything went fine. > Now I'm not sure what else (beside vademecum.exe) has to be installed and > where??? Any help with this will be appreciated. You probably want to ask on the mailing list/forums specific to Vade Mecum. We don't have anything to do with that project, unfortunately. I haven't seen any posts here from the author in quite a few months. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: patch to explode.c
> I like it. Where is the patch? What does it add/remove/fix? I didn't see it hit any of the lists. Can you resend it? ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
[seeds] New 1.7.2 packages need mirroring
Mike has made 1.7.2 packages, and I have just put them up for grabs via BitTorrent. This preliminary email is to alert the seeds that there is a new release coming... 1.7.2, and that you'll need to grab these updates and mirror them as well. I have seeded the packages, and you can grab them by fetching the zip-o-torrents file[1] from the primary Plucker server, unpack it, and run your favorite BitTorrent client across it. The easiest way to do this, is to use btlaunchmanycurses.py or similar, across the latest releases in the zipfile. You don't have to seed ALL of them, but the last few releases is a good start (1.6.2, 1.7.1, 1.7.2 + Plucker Desktop of course). If you wish to put these files up for http download, instead of keeping your BitTorrent client open as a public seed, please fetch all of the files with BitTorrent, and then contact me directly with the URL/ftp location of the full files for download, and I will make them available from the main website for the rest of the users. For those who believe that using BitTorrent somehow opens their system to exploits from other systems, it doesn't. You aren't running a server, you are simply a seed to the main server. There is no way that someone can fish around and download any other files from your system, other than the one(s) specified by the main Plucker server, since *IT* is the one telling incoming users what files it can have, and where the pieces of those files are located. BitTorrent is not a security risk in any way, as configured. If it were, you can be certain I wouldn't be running it, and I run a pretty tight ship. If you want to become an rsync mirror, that is also an option. I have an anonymous rsync server set up for specific users who are fetching the latest stable and unstable releases over rsync. If you want to mirror that way, email me directly with your IP and your rsync frequency, and I will drop you into the ACL for that. Once we have the mirrors seeded, I will make the announcement on the public website, and open it up to general public for downloads. During release times, we regularly peak around 10gb/day from the main Plucker server. Mirrors and other external servers/seeds will see a portion of that, depending on how many users we have downloading. Thanks again to everyone who is helping to mirror these files. [1] Zip-o-Torrents: http://downloads.plkr.org/plkr.org.torrents.zip d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: handera SDK
> I got permission from HandEra to post the SDK online. Can we put it up at > plkr.org? Certainly, send me the link and any relevant attribution/licensing info and I'll put it up there. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: handera SDK
> Is there anywhere where the Handera SDK can be downloaded from? The > download link from the Plucker site is dead. Alex Last I knew, Handera was done with the Palm business. I have a copy here, if you want it.. handera_sdk104.zip is the filename (and the hourly snaps are built with support for it). d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Lightspeed support
> I was wondering if we could include support, as a compile-time option, > for Lightspeed overclocking, once the feature freeze is over. I include > a patch--it's really a very simple patch. I've been using a version of > Plucker patched with this patch for several months now with a private > beta of Lightspeed 2.0, and it has worked like a charm. There's a slight bug (which I reported to Lightspeed) when using Lightspeed. To see the crash, launch Lightspeed, and tap-and-hold the stylus just above the "down" arrow on the scrollbar, forcing it to "page down" a few times through the files in the list. Crash. Reproducable every single time on my T2. I haven't yet tried your patch + Lightspeed to see if it has the same issue, but it might be worth holding off until Lightspeed stabilizes. We wouldn't want users to report crashes in Lightspeed as Plucker bugs. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Feature Request
> It would be nice to be able to set up separate icons for various books > so that clicking on them would take you directly to the book instead of > where you were last. You can, just use the launchable flag, and change the icon used for the launcher when creating the documents. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: CreatorID
> I'd like to modify plucker and use my own CreatorID. How can I set the > same creatorID for the *.pdb files? I didn't find such option in JPluck. > Do I need to recompile the JPluck to do that? Working on a Plucker for Blackberry devices? ;) d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: T3 Simulator - Where?
> I already have, otherwise I could not get the standard simulator. I've > had a Dev account for years now. I just can't find the link to it > anywhere. There are two: One at the Resource Pavilion, and one inside the palmOne Plugged-in Program. They are different, however. Make sure you get the one that suits your needs (OS version vs. hardware emulation). d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker desktop feature
>I just wanted to know if if would be possible to get a performance gain > if we could execute a parser by site either than only one scritp at the > time? Can you explain what you mean in a different way? I don't understand what you're asking here. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Plucker source code commits mailing list
~ Oh no, what did he do this time? I have finally reached this far corner of tasks on my plate, and managed to get the Plucker CVS commit emails all indexed and put into a list for subscribing. ~ In English this time please (what does that mean?) -- For each change made to Plucker that is committed to our revision control system (currently cvs, though plans to test and potentially move to Subversion are in the works), a log entry is generated. This log entry is parsed, and an email is created, which can be used to track changes to Plucker's main codebase. For 5+ years, these emails have been sitting in a folder, doing nothing except collecting dust. ~ How long have you been getting these emails? Since November 1999, according to my archives. 3,213 messages so far, going from November 13 1999 to current. Early on, these were only meant to track any possible problems with the cvs, and they were redirected to a separate folder anyway, unseen by anyone except myself. They actually are pretty useful for tracking development, so I've made them public. ~ So this is just for developers, right? -- No, definately not. Users who are interested in seeing how their currently-reported bugs or features are coming along are also welcome to track some of the changes being done to the codebase. Developers will probably benefit the most, but anyone is welcome to join and read the commits as they happen, on a near-live basis. ~ Can I post messages or replies to these emails? --- No, unfortunately you cannot. The list is read-only, and heavily moderated to keep spam and anything else that might try to sneak posts onto the list out. There are other mailing lists (like this one) that should be used for discussing code changes or bugs or features or any other aspect of Plucker. You should use them instead, for posting messages and issues. ~ Great! Lead the way, how do I subscribe to it? -- Point your browser to http://lists.plkr.org/ and click on the 'plucker-commits' list listed there and subscribe. It may take a few hours for the domain name to propagate around the world's dns, but it will be functional by the time you get this message, hopefully. If not, try back in a few hours. You can also subscribe by sending a message to the email address of 'plucker-commits-subscribe', with the word 'subscribe' in the subject of the email (or is it the body, I forget, use both ;) If you find any glaring issues, bugs, account problems, or things you think I can add to enhance that particular list or any other features of the public web presence, scripts, docs, etc., please let me know, and I'll try to get right on it. I've also got the Plucker lists going back to 1998 or so that I will archive in a similar fashion, in the same place (also read-only, since the main lists are graciously hosted by Mark Lillywhite on rubberchicken.org). The news server will be back up as well, once some new hardware arrives here on the Right Coast to handle it. Fun things are coming... keep on Plucking! d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: DIA code committed
> Getting the DIA behavior consistent across all forms by producing resize > info where appropriate is something that I would like people to help me > with. One slightly-off-topic question... should we continue to call this "DIA" in our codebase, when it is a new, homegrown reimplementation of the resize portions of DIA? Are there any trademark issues with using that name in the project? d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Help with the Plucker Format
> David, maybe you could update the online document? Hrm, I thought it redirected to that one... I think the whole docs.plkr.org needs to be autogen'd on a regular nightly basis or some such. I'll work on it over the next week (getting married next week in Jamaica, so things are a bit... weird). d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: DIA
> I have, however, been thinking about a generalized way of doing DIA that > might even be better than using CollapseUtils. For each object on each > form, we set a bunch of possible attributes. The DIA shipping on the T3 (codenamed "Hawkeye") changed again in Cobalt (6.x). I would only be marginally concerned that this API that we come up with, is still going to be compatible with their new API in these revisions of the OS. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: font remap packages
> By the way, here's something weird, maybe only on cygwin. Modify > fonts/Makefile.in. Do > cd fonts > make > You get an endless loop of Makefile regeneration. I've seen this before on Linux also, and I think it is an automake bug. The GnuCash people found and fixed it, with some patches, but I don't think they made their way into Cygwin yet. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Plucker Mirrors, time for an update
For those Plucker supporters providing mirrors of Plucker downloads, please download the latest versions of 1.7.1 and update your local copies. I will update the download page when the mirrors are seeded and 1.7.1 returns successful status over http. Zip-o-Torrents File http://downloads.plkr.org/plkr.org.torrents.zip Also, for those mirrors who wish to use rsync to grab the latest stable and unstable releases, I have an anoymous rsync server available. Please contact me directly (off-list) with your IP address and the url or ftp location of a web-accessible location where the downloads will be available after you fetch them with rsync, and I will grant you access so you can reach the rsync server and download the updates and releases. Thanks to everyone who is helping out with this release. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Seamless page bug/idea/request
I was tinkering around with the default "seamless page" code in the latest snap, and found an interesting anomaly, shown in the attached screenshot. It should be possible to "remove" the "Click here for the %s part" section from the viewer's view, when set to seamless mode. Literally subtract the lines from the view when displayed. It would seem to make it "flow" better in the overall document view. d. <>
Re: plucker file compression
> The reason for the extra reduction is that there is some redundancy > between files. For instance, they probably have similar headers and > footers. Another option, albeit slower (but still available, and GPL) is rzip. It is based on the same checksum routines that rsync uses (weak 32-bit and stronger 128-bit algorithms), which can find redundant parts, and not re-compress them. For example, if you have 10 home directories, and 5 users have the same Linux kernel source unpacked in their home directory, rzip can detect that and will just not compress the "redundant" data over again. Very slick stuff. If you're plucking 5,000 pages, and the header, footer, and graphics are all the same around the page ornaments, rzip can omit those redundant parts, and only compress the ones which "differ". d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker Desktop woes again
> Has anyone built Plucker Desktop recently? What's the catch? Found the bug... the check in setup.h for __VISUALC__ is in err. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Plucker Desktop woes again
Has anyone successfully built Plucker Desktop on a current Unix or Linux system with wx 2.2 or 2.4? I'm trying to figure out exactly what the build environment is. It looks like wx is trying to include headers for a completely different arch than it should be, and I'm thinking that wx is wrong at this point. Specifically that /usr/include/wx/wxchar.h tries to pull in tchar.h (which isn't standard, or included on any Linux or Unix system in the wx tree, but apparently exists on Windows systems; the version included with wine is incompatible, so that's out). Has anyone built Plucker Desktop recently? What's the catch? d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: xlit code
> Could we add xlit/plucker-xlit.pdb to the snapshot? That's the > transliteration database. Done. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: logging
> Would there be any objections if I changed the default to write to a log > file, and only echo "important enough" messages to the screen? As long as it does not conflict with the redirection already used inside Spider.py, and doesn't affect that capability, I don't see why not. Specifically the 'Spider.py > foo.pdb' capability. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: DIA and palm vs GPL
> They have nothing to lose. After all, if they say "no", we can just do a > clean-room rewrite--it's a tiny piece of code. In my experience, if you offer to do a cleanroom rewrite from the start, there is no incentive for them to cooperate and provide a dual license or relicensing arrangement. They'll just wait for you to do it on your own. No risk to them, and all the risk to you, should they decide to come down on you to defend the origins of your code. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Newbie question on annotation (plus new Question)
> Well, I can understand it not being on the windows side (and no I'm not > volunteering ;-). Why isn't it on the linux side either? Because explode/unpluck are not built or shipped by default. Similar to most Linux applications where the ./contrib directory under the source tree isn't always built into separate packages and shipped. > It's not that I couldn't compile the code, I just find it much more > convenient to have a binary supplied to me. I tend to take the opposite view, and find that most binaries pre-built on many Linux distributions, are far inferior to one I could build myself, with my own optimizations and tailored to my needs and my hardware. YMMV, of course =) > (Aside: I use windows primarily since there's a palm conduit for my > workplace's central Oracle Calendar on the platform, and palm conduit > support in general is much better on Windows. There is a Calendar > Client for Linux, but no palm conduit) You could help that process along, by providing some sort of specs, feedback, and testing to make a compatible conduit work in the non-Windows space. I for one, had no idea that Oracle had a calendar component. The reason a conduit probably doesn't exist, is because the Oracle product line generally isn't "given away", so the incentive for Free Software developers/authors to pay for a commercial product, just to make a compatible conduit for its userbase, to get them to use Linux, is probably microscopically small. What is the motivation? To solve a problem for a Windows user? There are plenty of existing problems on Linux to solve first, to be sure. If I had a spare million dollars or so lying around, I might consider taking up the task (that is, after I pay off my current debt, mortgage, and other bills, leaving me with enough to buy the commercial products that contain these features, hire a team of people to run and test them, and pay for my own time off necessary to develop the solution and make things work with them. =) Seriously though, many things lack in the Free Software/Linux space, not because they CAN'T be created, but because nobody KNOWS that they NEED to be created. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: PalmSource contact?
> Palm, PalmOne, or PalmSource? Remember, Palm doesn't exist anymore. I believe this was Palm, Inc. prior to the split to Palmsource and merger to Handspring. > The sample code license is pretty old, and I don't think it has ever > been GPL-compatible. I can't believe we're the only ones to raise this issue. Rumor has it that the slip libs are no longer needed in OS6, but I can't confirm that yet. I still need to hack up wine a bit more to get the Cobalt sim to run properly (the others run well, including the TapWave one even _with_ sound!!!) > Hopefully, with PalmSource using a bunch of open-source software in > their developer suite, they'll feel more charitable towards open-source > developers. While I recognize that sentiment, and know that there are several people within the companies involved who support Open Source, I don't think I can share the optimism. Every time I (or anyone else) brings those two words up or mentions the "L" word in conferences or in email on the various lists, we either get no responses, or the collective "piss off" from those replying. It seems to be the "Company Line" to intentionally avoid and ignore us. I'm not clear why though, given that they're making an enormous amount of revenue based solely on our free contributions to the community (as are many hundreds of other PalmOS developers). Maybe you're right, and things will change, given that one large portion of their merged company investment (Handspring) is a VERY strong supporter of Free Software and Open Source. Thanks for poking this issue into the right places in DTS for us. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: PalmSource contact?
> I don't know if I can get the sample code license changed to be more > open, but I'll try. The "object-only" part doesn't seem very logical to > me. Stuff like this really should have a BSD or MPL license, IMO. -- > Ben Combee Techwood Broadcasting Foundation, Austin Bureau Chief What's even more confusing, is that Palm themselves, contracted one of the core Plucker developers, to get their new devices working specifically with Plucker, for them, internally, as I understand it. Why they would want to orphan off their own devices now, by not providing a way for developers to include the code necessary to add that support, seems contradictory. Then again, it seems like a lot of counterintuitive decisions are being made internally at Palm and partners these days. Only time will tell, I guess. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Newbie question on annotation (plus new Question)
> Is there any reason this isn't included in the Plucker Desktop > distribution? Why must I have to compile from source to get these tools? Probably because the desktop should be just that, a desktop. The other reason is probably that nobody has tried to port the code over to Windows (it IS "mostly" POSIX clean, but Windows itself isn't POSIX, unless you add layers like Cygwin on top of it), and provide pre-compiled Windows executables that would work on all platforms. That would require having some sort of development environment (i.e. probably non-free) in Windows to port that code over to. I don't think we want to require users to have to install Cygwin, just to "unpluck" Plucker documents. It might be possible to rewrite the code in Java or Python (I've got a significant portion of it working in Perl, using some pack/unpack routines), but that again requires more tools to be installed, or a user who is more on the "Power User" side of things. Most Windows users are not. Also, the demand for that is probably so extremely low, for a tool that less than 1% of the Windows desktop users would actually find useful, that it just doesn't justify the time required to make it available for Windows, under those conditions. ...but if you're volunteering, I'm sure others would approve. =) d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Newbie question on annotation (plus new Question)
> Is there any way to export from a plucker doc to xml? Or html? Unpluck/explode, in the tools subdirectory. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Forcing subscription(s) when installing?
> I would like to know if it's possible to setup the Plucker Desktop > install distribution to have one or more content channels added by > default when the user runs the install process. Can this be achieved via > command line parameters or can some config file be added? I would > appreciate instructions for Windows, OS X and Linux. Grab the source, modify the channels file, and rebuild it. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Plucker translations
> Can anyone give me a "crash course" on where should I start!? Take a look at the viewer/langs subdirectory in the source tree, and model the 'sample.rcp' found there. There is also a TRANSLATING file there that describes what you must do to get it all working properly. > Btw, does anyone have a clue if a viewer project for Pocket PC > (Vademekum) is still alive? I could not get a response from the main > contributor... I haven't heard from him here on the list in awhile. Perhaps he's busy at school or with a job or some other activity taking up his time. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Displaying Plucker files from another application?
> Would that be packaged as a shared library or a separate application? If > my application is commercial, I can't just include Plucker source code, > can I? You would be writing a reader, from scratch, that can read the Plucker document format, based on the existing Plucker document API. If you took this route, you wouldn't be able to use code that already exists in Plucker to do it. You would have to create your reader from scratch, using the public API. If, however, you wanted to use Plucker's source code directly in the reader, that component would have to be covered by the GPL, as a derivitive work of Plucker itself. There is no reason why these can't be two separate applications: 1.) Your commercial application (non-free), and 2.) a small reader that can read Plucker documents (GPL). You can strip quite a lot of functionality out of Plucker to make a "slim" reader if you wish, to make this happen. If you wish to make having Plucker onboard, a requirement for your application, with the intent of sub-launching Plucker from within your commecial application, you'll have to make modifications to Plucker directly to support the "Exit" function, as we've been discussing. Here's a thought... what about adding a function code, in the document itself, that would force an exit of Plucker, when tapped? d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Displaying Plucker files from another application?
> I would prefer the equivalent of a "done" button on a document view. > What I would like to do is to have a list of documents in my app - some of > them Plucker documents, some of them other formats. Why not just create a little reader that can read Plucker documents, from within your application, and put whatever ornaments you wish on that UI interface? d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
RE: plucker-dev digest, Vol 1 #549 - 9 msgs
> Why limit it to the library? Why not let the back function exit instead > of going to the library if the you're on the "first" page (and that page > isn't the library). Because currently, tapping the back arrow from the "main" screen while viewing a document sends you to the Library. I'm not a fan of exit buttons really, since (as Mike put it so well), it violates the "Zen" of Palm. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: narrow font
> Well, it's not a matter of re-using but re-generating. A derivative work > of a non-copyrightable item either has no copyright or has copyright owned > by the person (i.e., us) who produced the derivative work. EVERYTHING is copyrighted, by the person(s) who created it. The difference is that some copyright owners can give up the rights to their works by placing them in the Public Domain. Even "paraphrasing" a copyrighted work is a violation of copyright (specifically talking about written or spoken works in this regard, but it does apply in the visual medium as well). What Public Domain font are we talking about creating a derivitive work of here? d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: Displaying Plucker files from another application?
> But there could be an exit button when Plucker is sublaunched with some > code that requests it. Here's a thought... add a "Back" button to the Library view. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: PalmFontConv help needed
> I need a volunteer who is willing to do some GUI programming for the > PalmFontConv project. The project is GPL. (But I'm willing to change > that to BSD if the volunteer insists--I own all the copyrights on the > code, except for the FT2 library which is BSD- and GPL-compatible.) I would recommend against moving it to a BSD license, if you don't want the hard work you (and others) do to the codebase to get incorporated into another fork of the project for which source isn't freely available. Keeping it under the GPL ensures that the code will remain available to those who wish to contribute to its development (unless of course, someone decides to blatently violate the license, which we've seen before with other code coming from our developers, but that will be handled legally). I don't want to start a license war thread here, but that's my stance on the matter. Others may have their own motivations. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: proposal: exact anchors
> BTW, if you start supporting this for arbitrary places, you should also > support the id attribute, which allows any element to be used as a > destination for a link. Or does Plucker already do this? Let's also not forget that the 'name' attribute has been dropped in XHTML 1.1 (and future versions of the HTML spec, it is rumored). Also, the 'id' value can only be used once per page, so be careful in its use. The 'id' attribute is an identifier, and should be unique per-page. In CSS (and again, XHTML going forward), the 'class' attribute can be used many times, no matter how many childs are in that group. Whatever Some text Some other text d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
Re: proposal: exact anchors
> But the basic thing is this. is supposed to let one go > straight to the tag. Currently, it doesn't--it goes > back to the top of the paragraph containing that tag, and it is quite > possible that the place with the tag doesn't even show up on that > screen. It works like this in desktop browsers too, if there isn't enough below the anchor on the page to allow it to scroll the anchored portion to the top of the browser's window. > This just doesn't seem to be the right way of handling HTML named > anchors, even if it works for most documents because of the accident > that in most HTML documents (I assume) the named anchors are at the > beginning of a text. Lots of HTML is written poorly. We can't do much to help that, other than try to educate people in how to architect their pages properly. d. ___ plucker-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.rubberchicken.org/mailman/listinfo/plucker-dev
