Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-08-20 Thread rbl

Has anyone made any progress with these BBC streams? They still seem
pretty rubbish to me ... Although I get the impression that the breakups
are generally shorter these days ...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-07-08 Thread rbl

Verulamius wrote: 
 I'm currently not experiencing any problems with triode' iplayer.  I'm
 using the fmpg variation with tplink powerline homeplugs between my
 touch and my rpi2 which is hosting squeezeplug/max2play and a 6Meg
 broadband connection.
 
 That said, what does drop is the mp3 logitech bbc radio feeds - this may
 well be less stable from the bbc end?

It has been better lately, but not perfect. What is the fmpg
variation?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-07-08 Thread rbl

I spoke to a buddy who uses his Sonos system to stream BBC Radio 4. He
said it drops out about once every two weeks!! Which begs the
question, what is wrong with the Logitech system!?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-07-08 Thread bonze

rbl wrote: 
 I spoke to a buddy who uses his Sonos system to stream BBC Radio 4. He
 said it drops out about once every two weeks!! Which begs the
 question, what is wrong with the Logitech system!?

How is he accessing Radio4?  What url is his system using?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-07-08 Thread Verulamius

I'm currently not experiencing any problems with triode' iplayer.  I'm
using the fmpg variation with tplink powerline homeplugs between my
touch and my rpi2 which is hosting squeezeplug/max2play and a 6Meg
broadband connection.

That said, what does drop is the mp3 logitech bbc radio feeds - this may
well be less stable from the bbc end?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-07-08 Thread bpa

Verulamius wrote: 
 This is bpa' playhls version per
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103312-BBCiPlayer-plugin-a-guick-fix-guide
 which requires the fmpg convertor.

For clarity - it is ffmpeg not fmpg



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-07-08 Thread Verulamius

This is bpa' playhls version per
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103312-BBCiPlayer-plugin-a-guick-fix-guide
which requires the fmpg convertor.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-30 Thread rbl

bonze wrote: 
 Most are trying to get away from relying on the MP3 feeds though.

of course, and I'd love to too, but they don't work! At least these mp3
streams are reasonably reliable. I'll give it another month or so and
try the proper higher bitrate streams and see if the BBC have go their
act in order yet ...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-29 Thread rbl

kesey wrote: 
 try this:
 
 http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mypicks/RadioFeedsSBS.zip

I have been using this lately and it does seem a lot better. Bitrate
128Kbps except Radio 3 which is 320Kbps.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-29 Thread bonze

rbl wrote: 
 I have been using this lately and it does seem a lot better. Bitrate
 128Kbps except Radio 3 which is 320Kbps.

Most are trying to get away from relying on the MP3 feeds though.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-22 Thread Giza2020

Ok i was getting 100% up to 1000kbps and then dropping to 40 - 50%  for
1500 and then drops to 20 -30% for 2000k ..need to s3e. What happens
when sync'd but wondering if this is normal. .moved right up next to the
router and the numbers rose but not a huge amount



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-22 Thread bpa

Giza2020 wrote: 
 Ok i was getting 100% up to 1000kbps and then dropping to 40 - 50%  for
 1500 and then drops to 20 -30% for 2000k ..need to s3e. What happens
 when sync'd but wondering if this is normal. .moved right up next to the
 router and the numbers rose but not a huge amount

So for a single Flac stream of 750kbps your Boom is OK.

Depending on the router antenna design right up close to router can be a
weak spot in signal strength - dipole (short straight antenna) have a
doughnut shaped signal so there is a hole in the middle so right close
to the dipole does not necessarily have the best signal.

More likely is you wifi network as a whole is the problem - sending
multiple data streams to sync players (as synced packets go in high
traffic bursts) and it is possible another player has a bad signal ,
demanding retranmissions and affecting all other players.  If your LMS
server is also wireless - then it will compound problem.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-22 Thread Giza2020

Thanks Bpa

So my lms is connected via homeplugs

Router is an asus rt56u and i just moved to the same room as the router
itself. 

I can't look at the squeezelite networks test on the pi because i can't
find the network test option.

So are you saying the boom should be smashing those network tests on all
levels of data?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-22 Thread bpa

Giza2020 wrote: 
 So my lms is connected via homeplugs

Homeplugs have their own problems - I have a set as well.

 Router is an asus rt56u and i just moved to the same room as the router
 itself. 
If in the same room better to test with a cable to determine.

 I can't look at the squeezelite networks test on the pi because i can't
 find the network test option.
Network test is a specific SB h/w player feature. Squeezelite is a small
Linux computer so any network test will do.

 So are you saying the boom should be smashing those network tests on all
 levels of data?
Not with wireless and possibly not above 1500kbps. Boom has a small
processor and it has its limits but should be able to handle WAV
(1500kbps) with good signal/cable .  If your boom can do 750kbps at 100%
there is no need to go faster unless you are sending WAV or AIFF.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-22 Thread bpa

Giza2020 wrote: 
 No I haven't done that for a while!.. I'll give it a try later .. I
 guess the higher data rate the better the test? 

Yes and No.  Expect 100% up to a certain speed but above some speed
connection will deteriorate. You can test if orientation of Boom affects
this.  Transcoded streams into Flac typically need about 50% compression
so required datarate would be about 750kbps (since the BBC now uses
48Khz).

To check what is happening enable player.source to log occurrences of
underrun.  Enable logging of sync to see what is happening when
resyncing.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-22 Thread Giza2020

bpa wrote: 
 Yes and No.  Expect 100% up to a certain speed but above some speed
 connection will deteriorate. You can test if orientation of Boom affects
 this.  Transcoded streams into Flac typically need about 50% compression
 so required datarate would be about 750kbps (since the BBC now uses
 48Khz).
 
 To check what is happening enable player.source to log occurrences of
 underrun.  Enable logging of sync to see what is happening when
 resyncing.

thanks



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-22 Thread bpa

Giza2020 wrote: 
 I think I'm reaching a similar conclusion. i think my boom is causing
 the buffering in my sync'd setup up with a squeezelite player on a pi.
 
 I'm wondering if the boom requires a better wifi signal than the pi due
 to the need to transcode the format but the pi doesn't? 
 
 Boom wifi signal is about 50% or up to 65%
 
 Pi is about 60%

You cannot compare %'s from different devices as IIRC there is no
standard method.

Have you run the network test on your boom (Boom menu
Settings/Information/Network Test - rotate control to change datarate)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-22 Thread Giza2020

bpa wrote: 
 You cannot compare %'s from different devices as IIRC there is no
 standard method.
 
 Have you run the network test on your boom (Boom menu
 Settings/Information/Network Test - rotate control to change datarate)

No I haven't done that for a while!.. I'll give it a try later .. I
guess the higher data rate the better the test? 

Cheers



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-22 Thread Giza2020

I think I'm reaching a similar conclusion. i think my boom is causing
the buffering in my sync'd setup up with a squeezelite player on a pi.

I'm wondering if the boom requires a better wifi signal than the pi due
to the need to transcode the format but the pi doesn't? 

Boom wifi signal is about 50% or up to 65%

Pi is about 60%



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-21 Thread sjalloq

bpa wrote: 
 Yes  typo network.asynchttp and network.asyncdns

And those two network loggers were enabled already and should be in the
log I uploaded.  There might be some noise in there as I was playing
with the logs to see what they output.  Today, I've just started the
live feed of BBC R1 and it buffered on startupand I was about to say
not since, but it has just done it.  I'll attach a clean log of today's
activity.


+---+
|Filename: server.log.2015.06.21.zip|
|Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18293|
+---+


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-21 Thread sjalloq

OK, an update from my side.  This evening I've had a play and tried a
few things.  I'm currently listening to the R1 stream via both my
Logitech Squeezeblox Classic and Squeezeplay on OS X.  I've also
installed LMS 7.8.1 on an Ubuntu VM on my server.

Squeezeplay is fine.
My Squeezebox is dropping out all over the place.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-20 Thread sjalloq

I just wanted to add to this thread.  I'm seeing the same sort of
dropouts and issues as others here.

I've enabled logging of plugin.bbciplayer.hls.  I've been watching the
log stream while I try to listen and the dropouts always seem to
coincide with a larger number of chunks being received.  Similar to the
post by rbl, whenever I see 4 new chunks received and the merged
chunklist string, the sound drops out.


Code:

[15-06-20 16:13:10.5400] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183) existing 
chunks: [224189561,224189562]
  [15-06-20 16:13:10.5421] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (184) new chunks: 
[224189562,224189563,224189564,224189565]
  [15-06-20 16:13:10.5442] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (199) merged 
chunklist now 5 chunks
  [15-06-20 16:13:10.5462] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200) chunks: 
[224189561,224189562,224189563,224189564,224189565]
  [15-06-20 16:13:10.9806] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::sysread (333) played 
[224189561]
  [15-06-20 16:13:10.9827] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_fetchChunk (230) fetching 
[224189563]: 
http://as-hls-uk-live.edgesuite.net/pool_7/live/bbc_radio_one/bbc_radio_one.isml/bbc_radio_one-audio=32-224189563.ts
  




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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-20 Thread bpa

sjalloq wrote: 
 I just wanted to add to this thread.  I'm seeing the same sort of
 dropouts and issues as others here.
 
 I've enabled logging of plugin.bbciplayer.hls.  I've been watching the
 log stream while I try to listen and the dropouts always seem to
 coincide with a larger number of chunks being received.  Similar to the
 post by rbl, whenever I see 4 new chunks received and the merged
 chunklist string, the sound drops out.

Merged chunklist can happens without errors so it is not defintiive.

To try to get a more info on the type of fault you are experiencing, you
need to enable more logging to INFO the following
server.asynchttp
server.asyncdns
player.source



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-20 Thread sjalloq

This is the log after 3 underruns in about 15 seconds.


Code:

[15-06-20 19:39:05.2190] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::iPlayer::_checkStream (245) 
consecutiveErrors: 0 songElapsed: 2.93301921081543
  [15-06-20 19:39:05.2221] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::iPlayer::_checkStream (249) 
stream playing - disabling playlist state
  [15-06-20 19:39:08.4059] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183) existing 
chunks: []
  [15-06-20 19:39:08.4081] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (184) new chunks: 
[224191496]
  [15-06-20 19:39:09.6689] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::sysread (333) played 
[224191496]
  [15-06-20 19:39:15.1437] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183) existing 
chunks: []
  [15-06-20 19:39:15.1458] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (184) new chunks: 
[224191497]
  [15-06-20 19:39:16.0336] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::sysread (333) played 
[224191497]
  [15-06-20 19:39:22.3820] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183) existing 
chunks: []
  [15-06-20 19:39:22.3841] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (184) new chunks: 
[224191498,224191499]
  [15-06-20 19:39:33.9887] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183) existing 
chunks: [224191498,224191499]
  [15-06-20 19:39:33.9909] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (184) new chunks: 
[224191498,224191499,224191500]
  [15-06-20 19:39:33.9929] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (199) merged 
chunklist now 3 chunks
  [15-06-20 19:39:33.9950] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200) chunks: 
[224191498,224191499,224191500]
  [15-06-20 19:39:42.5589] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerOutputUnderrun (2325) 
00:04:20:12:56:f6: decoder: 24525 / output: 0
  [15-06-20 19:39:42.5611] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2474) new playing state BUFFERING
  [15-06-20 19:39:42.6179] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::sysread (333) played 
[224191498]
  [15-06-20 19:39:42.6926] Slim::Player::Player::_buffering (1169) Buffering... 
42045 / 441000
  [15-06-20 19:39:42.8325] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183) existing 
chunks: [224191499,224191500]
  [15-06-20 19:39:42.8347] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (184) new chunks: 
[224191499,224191500,224191501,224191502]
  [15-06-20 19:39:42.8422] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (199) merged 
chunklist now 4 chunks
  [15-06-20 19:39:42.8446] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200) chunks: 
[224191499,224191500,224191501,224191502]
  [15-06-20 19:39:43.0096] Slim::Player::Player::_buffering (1169) Buffering... 
217245 / 441000
  [15-06-20 19:39:43.3276] Slim::Player::Player::_buffering (1169) Buffering... 
730641 / 441000
  [15-06-20 19:39:43.3297] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerBufferReady 
(2375) 00:04:20:12:56:f6
  [15-06-20 19:39:43.3318] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2474) new playing state WAITING_TO_SYNC
  [15-06-20 19:39:43.3340] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2474) new playing state PLAYING
  [15-06-20 19:39:43.3756] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::sysread (333) played 
[224191499]
  [15-06-20 19:39:49.6355] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183) existing 
chunks: [224191500,224191501,224191502]
  [15-06-20 19:39:49.6377] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (184) new chunks: 
[224191500,224191501,224191502,224191503]
  [15-06-20 19:39:49.6398] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (199) merged 
chunklist now 4 chunks
  [15-06-20 19:39:49.6418] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200) chunks: 
[224191500,224191501,224191502,224191503]
  [15-06-20 19:39:52.5562] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerOutputUnderrun (2325) 
00:04:20:12:56:f6: decoder: 24481 / output: 0
  [15-06-20 19:39:52.5584] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2474) new playing state BUFFERING
  [15-06-20 19:39:52.6974] Slim::Player::Player::_buffering (1169) Buffering... 
36161 / 441000
  [15-06-20 19:39:53.0084] Slim::Player::Player::_buffering (1169) Buffering... 
183621 / 441000
  [15-06-20 19:39:53.1290] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::sysread (333) played 
[224191500]
  [15-06-20 19:39:53.3281] Slim::Player::Player::_buffering (1169) Buffering... 
526721 / 441000
  [15-06-20 19:39:53.3303] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerBufferReady 
(2375) 00:04:20:12:56:f6
  [15-06-20 19:39:53.3326] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2474) new playing state WAITING_TO_SYNC
  [15-06-20 19:39:53.3349] Slim::Player::StreamingController::_setPlayingState 
(2474) new playing state PLAYING
  [15-06-20 19:39:58.1109] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183) existing 
chunks: [224191501,224191502,224191503]
  [15-06-20 19:39:58.1131] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (184) new chunks: 
[224191501,224191502,224191503,224191504]
  [15-06-20 19:39:58.1253] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (199) merged 
chunklist now 4 chunks
  [15-06-20 19:39:58.1276] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200) chunks: 
[224191501,224191502,224191503,224191504]
  [15-06-20 19:40:01.8183] 
Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerOutputUnderrun (2325) 
00:04:20:12:56:f6: 

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-20 Thread sjalloq

It's definitely related to having a chunk list of 5.  Every time I get
merged chunklist now 5 chunks it underruns.  I've been seeing the
following type of warnings today quite a bit so perhaps there are
requests going on in the background that cause a process to timeout. 
I've tried to disable mysqueezebox in settings but it obviously is still
running trying to sync.  After this underrun, the stream stopped
completely.


Code:

[15-06-20 19:48:01.3339] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (184) new 
chunks: [224191578,224191579,224191580]
  [15-06-20 19:48:01.3415] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (199) merged 
chunklist now 3 chunks
  [15-06-20 19:48:01.3438] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200) chunks: 
[224191578,224191579,224191580]
  [15-06-20 19:48:19.2013] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183) existing 
chunks: [224191578,224191579,224191580]
  [15-06-20 19:48:19.2036] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (184) new chunks: 
[224191579,224191580,224191581,224191582]
  [15-06-20 19:48:19.2115] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (199) merged 
chunklist now 5 chunks
  [15-06-20 19:48:19.2138] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200) chunks: 
[224191578,224191579,224191580,224191581,224191582]
  [15-06-20 19:48:19.3484] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::sysread (333) played 
[224191578]
  [15-06-20 19:48:19.9509] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::sysread (333) played 
[224191579]
  [15-06-20 19:48:20.0039] Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::_createHTTPRequest 
(540) Logging in to SqueezeNetwork to obtain session ID
  [15-06-20 19:48:20.0129] Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::login (348) A 
mysqueezebox.com account is required for this service. Please access Logitech 
Media Server Settings - mysqueezebox.com with a web browser to configure.
  [15-06-20 19:48:20.0167] 
Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::Players::_players_error (334) Unable to get 
players from SN: A mysqueezebox.com account is required for this service. 
Please access Logitech Media Server Settings - mysqueezebox.com with a web 
browser to configure., retrying in 345600 seconds
  [15-06-20 19:48:20.5361] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::sysread (333) played 
[224191580]
  [15-06-20 19:48:20.9544] Slim::Player::StreamingController::playerActive 
(2078) 00:04:20:12:56:f6 player already active: 00:04:20:12:56:f6
  [15-06-20 19:48:20.9877] Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::_createHTTPRequest 
(540) Logging in to SqueezeNetwork to obtain session ID
  [15-06-20 19:48:20.9903] Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::login (348) A 
mysqueezebox.com account is required for this service. Please access Logitech 
Media Server Settings - mysqueezebox.com with a web browser to configure.
  [15-06-20 19:48:20.9936] 
Slim::Networking::SqueezeNetwork::Players::_players_error (334) Unable to get 
players from SN: A mysqueezebox.com account is required for this service. 
Please access Logitech Media Server Settings - mysqueezebox.com with a web 
browser to configure., retrying in 432000 seconds
  




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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-20 Thread bpa

sjalloq wrote: 
 It's definitely related to having a chunk list of 5.  Every time I get
 merged chunklist now 5 chunks it underruns.  I've been seeing the
 following type of warnings today quite a bit so perhaps there are
 requests going on in the background that cause a process to timeout. 
 I've tried to disable mysqueezebox in settings but it obviously is still
 running trying to sync.  After this underrun, the stream stopped
 completely.
 
 Edit: not sure about the 5 chunk thing.  I've removed the mysqueezebox
 plugin and it's still dropping out but at random chunk depth now.  Log
 attached.
 

You haven't enabled all the log I asked for.

You need to enable the server.asynchttp to be sure underrun is caused by
timeout and not an LMS issue - if timeout then it is the BBC not
responding.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-20 Thread castalla

Have you seen this :  https://www.robertsradiotechnical.co.uk/



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-20 Thread sjalloq

Sorry, I assumed that was a typo as I don't have that logger.  I'm
running LMS 7.7.2.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-20 Thread bpa

sjalloq wrote: 
 Sorry, I assumed that was a typo as I don't have that logger.  I'm
 running LMS 7.7.2.
It's in 7.7.x



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-19 Thread Giza2020

I'm also getting the odd bit of buffering now and again.. but what was
really strange the other day was I watched a Youtube clip on my phone
which caused the buffering to start - I'm on virgin fibre connected to a
Asus router (made the vm superhub a dumb modem which links to the Asus
router) so the idea the streaming audio and a youtube clip to my phone
would overload the connnection and cause buffering seems a bit crazy...
have you had anything similar on your network? 

I think i need to investigate the network

Allan



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-19 Thread bpa

rbl wrote: 
 Well I think it is better, but still far from perfect. Whereas
 occasionally it re-buffers and no error is shown in the log, usually I
 get the following errors:
 
 
 [15-06-18 10:14:48.1603] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (199) merged
 chunklist now 4 chunks
 [15-06-18 10:14:48.1604] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200)
 chunks: [224159203,224159204,224159205,224159206]
 [15-06-18 10:14:51.9886]
 Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_timeout (494) Timed out
 waiting for more body data, returning what we have
 [15-06-18 10:14:55.1566] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183)
 existing chunks: [224159203,224159204,224159205,224159206]
 
 And also:
 
 [15-06-18 10:15:30.4355] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200)
 chunks:
 [224159203,224159204,224159205,224159206,224159207,224159208,224159209,224159210,224159211,224159212,224159213]
 [15-06-18 10:15:34.3009] Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__ (147)
 Error: Select task failed calling
 Slim::Web::HTTP::sendStreamingResponse: illegal file descriptor or
 filehandle (either no attached file descriptor or illegal value):  at
 /C:\PROGRA~2\SQUEEZ~1\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Networking/IO/Select.pm
 line 150.
 ; fh=Slim::Web::HTTP::ClientConn=GLOB(0xabb2904)
 
 
 The Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__ (147) error usually comes
 several times at once. 
 My system is completely wired, with a good BT fibre ISP

Rebuffer occurs due to underrun and this is only logged explicitly if
you have log player.source set to INFO or DEBUG

The timeout message you logged indicate that BBC did not respond with
requested data  which means player will run out of data and you'll get
uynderrun. IIRC the current BBCiPlayer HLS plugin closes the stream if
it gets a timeout and doesn't try to recover.

If the  Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__ (147) Error: Select task
failed calling message appears when using the BBCiPlayer plugin playing
a hLS stream - it is normal due to waythe plugin has implemented HLS.

I think this is the fundamental issue:  why does the BBC fail to respond
and when this has happened on my system I have tried modifying the
plugin to repeat the request but BBC doesn't respond and it still times
out. I don't know if it is an implementation error in Plugin, DNS or BBC
issue because I haven't had time to investigate in more detail and  the
problem will not  reproduce on demand.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-19 Thread castalla

Giza2020 wrote: 
 I'm also getting the odd bit of buffering now and again.. but what was
 really strange the other day was I watched a Youtube clip on my phone
 which caused the buffering to start - I'm on virgin fibre connected to a
 Asus router (made the vm superhub a dumb modem which links to the Asus
 router) so the idea the streaming audio and a youtube clip to my phone
 would overload the connnection and cause buffering seems a bit crazy...
 have you had anything similar on your network? 
 
 I think i need to investigate the network
 
 Allan

I've observed similar glitches when loading a webpage on the PC starts
the buffering . nothing consistent but it happens.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-19 Thread rbl

Well I think it is better, but still far from perfect. Whereas
occasionally it re-buffers and no error is shown in the log, usually I
get the following errors:


[15-06-18 10:14:48.1603] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (199) merged
chunklist now 4 chunks
[15-06-18 10:14:48.1604] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200)
chunks: [224159203,224159204,224159205,224159206]
[15-06-18 10:14:51.9886]
Slim::Networking::Async::HTTP::_http_read_timeout (494) Timed out
waiting for more body data, returning what we have
[15-06-18 10:14:55.1566] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (183)
existing chunks: [224159203,224159204,224159205,224159206]

And also:

[15-06-18 10:15:30.4355] Plugins::BBCiPlayer::HLS::_parsePL (200)
chunks:
[224159203,224159204,224159205,224159206,224159207,224159208,224159209,224159210,224159211,224159212,224159213]
[15-06-18 10:15:34.3009] Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__ (147)
Error: Select task failed calling
Slim::Web::HTTP::sendStreamingResponse: illegal file descriptor or
filehandle (either no attached file descriptor or illegal value):  at
/C:\PROGRA~2\SQUEEZ~1\server\SQUEEZ~3.EXESlim/Networking/IO/Select.pm
line 150.
; fh=Slim::Web::HTTP::ClientConn=GLOB(0xabb2904)


The Slim::Networking::IO::Select::__ANON__ (147) error usually comes
several times at once. 
My system is completely wired, with a good BT fibre ISP



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-15 Thread bpa

The log had two sorts of errors which triggered the rebuffering

1. Timeout - this timeout is controlled by WebUI
Settings/Advanced/Network/Radio Station Timeout  - if it is 3 or less
can you try increasings it to say 10.
2. Failure to connect but there are Radiovis error functionality around
the same time - can you disable Radiovis in Plugin settings to if
problem is related in some way.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-15 Thread rbl

bpa wrote: 
 Zip file is empty
 
 I'm not sure what you are logging but the following will track the most
 common issues.. Note time you start playing and also note time you get
 problems.
 network.asyncdns to INFO
 network.asynchttp to INFO
 plugin.bbciplayer to INFO

I am now logging as above, and have just had a bout of bad behaviour
from BBC R2 and R4. Log file attached. Approximate times when it
rebuffered are:

9:17:30 (not after 9:18:00)
9:43:00 (v approx)
10:39:00
10:40:10 
10:40:40
10:41:30

On one of them (I think 10:40:10) it stopped altogether and I had to
press Play again. There are quite a few errors in the log file and I
have no idea what they mean. 

I also looked at the results of ipconfig /all which shows that DNS
servers 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are being used. Any help much
appreciated...

18269


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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-15 Thread bonze

rbl wrote: 
 I can't find a Radiovis plugin in Settings\PlugIns, although I searched
 my hard drive and found a file ...\Plugins\BBCiPlayer\RadioVis.pm, so it
 would appear to be part of the BBC iPlayer plugin itself. 
Switching off the two BBC iPlayer settings 'Show Live Text' and 'Show
Slide Show' will stop RadioVis being used.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-15 Thread rbl

bonze wrote: 
 Switching off the two BBC iPlayer settings 'Show Live Text' and 'Show
 Slide Show' will stop RadioVis being used.

Ok - have done that and will see what happens. I also changed Radio
Station Buffer Seconds back to 3s to see if RadioVis is the problem. Now
have to wait and see - thanks very much for the help. Incidentally,
worth mentioning that I use 2 x SB3s and SqueezeLite 3, and everything
is wired and sync'd ...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-15 Thread rbl

bpa wrote: 
 The log had two sorts of errors which triggered the rebuffering
 
 1. Timeout - this timeout is controlled by WebUI
 Settings/Advanced/Network/Radio Station Timeout  - if it is 3 or less
 can you try increasings it to say 10.
 2. Failure to connect but there are Radiovis error functionality around
 the same time - can you disable Radiovis in Plugin settings to if
 problem is related in some way.

The Radio Station Timeout is already set to 15 which I guess is long
enough from what you say. This must be the default as I don't think I
ever changed it. There is also a Radio Station Buffer Seconds which is
set to 3. I'll change this to 15, which I suspect will just mask the
problem, to some extent at least.

I can't find a Radiovis plugin in Settings\PlugIns, although I searched
my hard drive and found a file ...\Plugins\BBCiPlayer\RadioVis.pm, so it
would appear to be part of the BBC iPlayer plugin itself. The only other
plugins that may be of interest are all Logitech ones .. Radio v1.0,
RadioIO v1.0, TuneIn Radio v2.0, but I suspect that they aren't
relevant.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-15 Thread bpa

rbl wrote: 
 Ok - have done that and will see what happens. I also changed Radio
 Station Buffer Seconds back to 3s to see if RadioVis is the problem. Now
 have to wait and see - thanks very much for the help. Incidentally,
 worth mentioning that I use 2 x SB3s and SqueezeLite 3, and everything
 is wired and sync'd ...

Justr in case - keep server.asynchhttp is set to INFO and check for
timeout log message   You had one in your log which means one of your
3 rebuffer was caused by timeout and it had no associated Radiovis
error.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-15 Thread rbl

bpa wrote: 
 Justr in case - keep server.asynchhttp is set to INFO and check for
 timeout log message   You had one in your log which means one of your
 3 rebuffer was caused by timeout and it had no associated Radiovis
 error.
 
 The reason why I think 3 secs is too short is because BBC sends audio in
 6-8 secs chunk and so when LMS is fetching next chunk sometime there
 could be less than 3 secs left in audio buffer. When timeout occurs the
 Plugin HSL implementation terminates the stream.

Will do. And I'll set the buffer to 10s then - sounds like that is what
the BBC require ... Fingers x'd!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-15 Thread rbl

bpa wrote: 
 Not the Radio Station Buffer Seconds the Radio Station Timeout

Ah - Timeout was already set to 15. Buffer was set to 3. Sounds like
that is all ok then. Well, I'll see how disabling Show Live Text and
Show Slide Show helps things. Once again, thanks for your help...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-15 Thread bpa

rbl wrote: 
 Will do. And I'll set the buffer to 10s then - sounds like that is what
 the BBC require ... Fingers x'd!

Not the Radio Station Buffer Seconds the Radio Station Timeout



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-13 Thread rbl

bpa wrote: 
 I agree with this suggestion - you should post on an existing BBCiPlayer
 thread as this thread title doesn't highlight your issue is really
 rebuffering and not which hardware or URLs.
 
 There is some consensus on what can be done to reduce the rebuffering
 effect such as changing DNS server.
 
 

Will take your advice and post on a rebuffering thread. But FYI I
changed the DNS server to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 and it is still terrible.
Radio 4 has re-buffered several times this morning already... I can't
believe BBC are this bad and it has been going on for months... I will
also try the radiofeeds suggested in a previous post.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-13 Thread bpa

rbl wrote: 
 
 
 IIRC one user reported that Windows DNS caching is reluctant to expire
 entries so it's possible on Windows the problem is not resolved merely
 by changing DNS server.
 
 Have you enabled logging to see what is happening and the source of the
 fault (e.g. DNS problem, http timeout, player comms)  - sometimes other
 problems are present  - getting a log of what precedes the fault helps 
 to make sure that there isn't something else happening or there is some
 sort of misconfiguration.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-13 Thread Giza2020

5 live buffering this am for me



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-13 Thread rbl

R4 is better right now, but it dropped out a few minutes ago, a few
seconds before 12.10.00 today. I had enabled logging, and the file is
attached. There are errors at 12:10:23 but the dropout definitely
happened before this. Any idea what this all means?

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-13 Thread bpa

Zip file is empty

I'm not sure what you are logging but the following will track the most
common issues.. Note time you start playing and also note time you get
problems.
network.asyncdns to INFO
network.asynchttp to INFO
plugin.bbciplayer to INFO



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-12 Thread kesey

rbl wrote: 
 Sorry, but it is a nightmare digging through all the endless problems
 people have had over recent months with iPlayer / BBC Radio. Just
 wondering, what is the currently accepted best way to get BBC live radio
 for a UK listener?  Currently using BBC iPlayer (v1.3.1alpha3) plugin,
 with a good fibreoptic connection in London, and get endless
 re-buffering. Today it is unbelievably bad - I bitterly regret selling
 my old Quad FM tuner now!

try this:

http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mypicks/RadioFeedsSBS.zip



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Squeezeplug);  iPeng, iPeng for Ipad, Orange Squeeze, Squeezepad, LMS
Version: Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-12 Thread Giza2020

Pi2 setup with max2play which sets up the lms server (and/or squeezelite
if you want it to be a player too )

Works great as its a low power 24/7 setup

Not sure how it would compare to your set up but 1gb ram makes it pretty
nifty and does everything i ask of it



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-12 Thread bpa

Giza2020 wrote: 
 I think you're using the best solution so maybe worth posting in the BBC
 iplayer to see what's happening
 
 There are a few posts about buffering issues and solutions.. what is LMS
 running on?

I agree with this suggestion - you should post on an existing BBCiPlayer
thread as this thread title doesn't highlight your issue is really
rebuffering and not which hardware or URLs.

There is some consensus on what can be done to reduce the rebuffering
effect such as changing DNS server.

The rebuffering issue is particularly annoying because it seems to be
network related either with BBC servers and or DNS updates and the
rebuffering problem become prevalent for a burst of time (which for me
usually last only a few hours) and then goes away. This means if you
make a change and rebuffering stops - you cannot be sure that the fix
has worked or it is just a good time.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-11 Thread Giza2020

Yes it does look right... I might have been able to help had you been on
a pi server .. sorry



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[SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-11 Thread rbl

Sorry, but it is a nightmare digging through all the endless problems
people have had over recent months with iPlayer / BBC Radio. Just
wondering, what is the currently accepted best way to get BBC live radio
for a UK listener?  Currently using BBC iPlayer (v1.3.1alpha3) plugin,
with a good fibreoptic connection in London, and get endless
re-buffering. Today it is unbelievably bad - I bitterly regret selling
my old Quad FM tuner now!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-11 Thread Giza2020

rbl wrote: 
 Sorry, but it is a nightmare digging through all the endless problems
 people have had over recent months with iPlayer / BBC Radio. Just
 wondering, what is the currently accepted best way to get BBC live radio
 for a UK listener?  Currently using BBC iPlayer (v1.3.1alpha3) plugin,
 with a good fibreoptic connection in London, and get endless
 re-buffering. Today it is unbelievably bad - I bitterly regret selling
 my old Quad FM tuner now!

I think you're using the best solution so maybe worth posting in the BBC
iplayer to see what's happening

There are a few posts about buffering issues and solutions.. what is LMS
running on?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-11 Thread rbl

Thanks. Good to know that at least I am running the right iPlayer
version etc..

Am running LMS 7.7.5 on a Win7 64bit dual core 3.1GHz i3-2100 desktop
with 8GB ram and SSD. It otherwise works very well! 

It seems that a lot of people are having buffering problems, and for me
at least there are definitely good and bad days.
Guess will work through it all, just there are now so many posts, and I
don't even know which posts are relevant since I believe BBC have
changed there end several times over the last few months.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] What is the best way to get BBC Radio these days (from the UK)?

2015-06-11 Thread rbl

I never realised you can run a PI server. Is it easy to setup and does
it run as well as a PC server (and likely to work with Squeezer on my
phone)? Could be a good option ...



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