Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2020-01-18 Thread Mycenius


slartibartfast wrote: 
> I used to use MediaMonkey purely for lyrics tagging but now I am happy
> to leave it to MAI. One less step in the ripping process. I also found
> some of the tags from MediaMonkey didn't work anyway as they appeared to
> be links to a web page. All I saw in my lyrics tag was the URL. I still
> come across these occasionally and have to remove them when I find them.

Yes - I was getting those too! Normally didn't originally (back 2012 -
2013 or so) - but sometime later, about when the online scaning started
failing for places like Amazon and similar (for album info & images),
the lyrics also started going to custard... Think when APIs all got
updated/changed and the shift to https for all web browser traffic
basically broke it and it's never been properly fixed. Means MediaMonkey
lyrics fall back to chartlyrics.com (which is erratic in accuracy) and
azlyrics, metrolyrics, etc. azlyrics is the one that implants urls
through out the lyric text (like after every verse) and the others are
the ones you end up with just the url to the webpage and no lyrics IIRC
(azlyrics may even do this now - as they may have 'upgraded' their
site)...



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2020-01-18 Thread kidstypike


TheLastMan wrote: 
> What is MAI?

MAI = Music and Artist Information plugin, together with Material skin
you get - 

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2020-01-18 Thread slartibartfast


TheLastMan wrote: 
> What is MAI?The "Music and Artist Information" plugin.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2020-01-18 Thread TheLastMan


Mycenius wrote: 
> Thanks @d6jg - yes had seen that - I've traditionally tagged them at
> time of ripping (via MediaMonkey mainly, occasionally manually) so they
> are in the file itself - but found the auto tag of lyrics has become
> erratic (probably for similar reasons to this thread). I was running
> Song Lyrics to cover for it. May end up using MAI's save function, but
> was trying to avoid having them in separate files in a separate
> directory, etc, for the moment... :)
> 
> I am running MAI regardless... (e.g. to get the artist photos as well as
> lyrics, etc).
What is MAI?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2020-01-18 Thread slartibartfast


Mycenius wrote: 
> Thanks @d6jg - yes had seen that - I've traditionally tagged them at
> time of ripping (via MediaMonkey mainly, occasionally manually) so they
> are in the file itself - but found the auto tag of lyrics has become
> erratic (probably for similar reasons to this thread). I was running
> Song Lyrics to cover for it. May end up using MAI's save function, but
> was trying to avoid having them in separate files in a separate
> directory, etc, for the moment... :)
> 
> I am running MAI regardless... (e.g. to get the artist photos as well as
> lyrics, etc).I used to use MediaMonkey purely for lyrics tagging but now I am 
> happy
to leave it to MAI. One less step in the ripping process. I also found
some of the tags from MediaMonkey didn't work anyway as they appeared to
be links to a web page. All I saw in my lyrics tag was the URL. I still
come across these occasionally and have to remove them when I find them.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2020-01-18 Thread Mycenius


d6jg wrote: 
> Lyrics are provided via MAI now and can optionally be saved to disk

Thanks @d6jg - yes had seen that - I've traditionally tagged them at
time of ripping (via MediaMonkey mainly, occasionally manually) so they
are in the file itself - but found the auto tag of lyrics has become
erratic (probably for similar reasons to this thread). I was running
Song Lyrics to cover for it. May end up using MAI's save function, but
was trying to avoid having them in separate files in a separate
directory, etc, for the moment... :)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2020-01-17 Thread d6jg


Lyrics are provided via MAI now and can optionally be saved to disk



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2020-01-17 Thread Mycenius

TheLastMan wrote: 
> I am presuming here that you have already installed Foobar 2000 and know
> the basics. Also a lot of this is dependent on how accurate your tags
> are.  It uses the Artist and Track name tags so you will get errors if
> these are not correct.  If you are rather anal about these things, like
> me, you will not have an issue.
> 
> Download foobar “Seek” plugin zip file from *'here'
> (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=88654)* and the
> “Lyric Show Panel 3” zip file from *'here'
> (http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_uie_lyrics3)*
> 
> There is no need to unzip them, foobar does this as part of the install
> process.
> 
> In foobar go to file, Preferences, Components and install both plugins.
> Press “apply” and the program will restart.
> 
> Once the plugins are installed go to File, Preferences, Tools, Lyric
> Show 3
> 
> LYRIC SEARCHING TAB
> On the first tab your main choice is to decide whether you want “time
> stamped” lyrics that will scroll and synchronise with the music karaoke
> style, or whether you just want a straight text tag.
> The options are:
> - Only synced
> - Only non-synced
> - Prefer synced
> - Prefer non-synced
> - No preference
> 
> Neither the Controller, nor either of the apps I use (Logitech and
> Orange Squeeze) can use the time stamping so I chose "only non-synced".
> Synced files have time data and HTML characters alongside the lyrics so
> are virtually unreadable unless your player can use the data.
> 
> If you use iPeng you might want to ask Pippin whether his app can use
> the time stamps.
> 
> You then have to choose the order in which the plugin searches the
> various databases. I have no idea which is better so just shifted the
> “Timestamped” servers to the bottom.
> 
> LYRIC SAVING TAB
> Tick (check) “Enable automatic save”
> “Save method” is “Save to tag” *(very important!)*
> It is crucial that the un-synced Lyric tag is set to “LYRICS” otherwise
> Orange Squeeze and the Controller won’t read it.
> If you like your lyrics synced you will need to experiment with the
> synced lyric tag and your choice of control software. Again perhaps
> Pippin can advise.
> 
> I have ignored the “Advanced” tab, nothing critical here as far as I can
> tell.
> 
> That is it for the Lyric Show 3 plugin.
> 
> The “Preview” option in the seek plugin is set up from the normal
> “Playback” menu.
> 
> IMPLEMENTATION
> Add all the files and folders you want to tag to the playlist.  Go to
> Playback, Seek Control, Preview length and select what you want. I found
> that the minimum, 6 seconds, was more than enough. Then choose Playback,
> Seek Control and tick Preview.
> 
> Press “Play” and then go away! 
> You might want to watch it for a few tracks, it is rather cool,
> otherwise you can leave it to do its stuff for as long as it takes. I
> have done about half my collection now and will do the other half over
> the next few days.
> 
> Have fun!

Should this process still work?
_Or_is_there_a_new_way_to_do_this_in_Foobar?_ Can anyone advise - I see
Seek is way old now, and Lyrics plugin hasn't been updated for a few
years.

i have installed and got the process to work - but its unstable (e.g.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-12-21 Thread PRGeno

Errand,  maybe this could be an opportunity for you. Instead of paying
$20,000/year for access to Musixmatch, how about selling the rights to
you plugin to them.  They already have an IOS app player that gets
lyrics, maybe they might want something for the SB ecosystem to push
lyrics and ads to SB users through iPeng.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-12-21 Thread pippin

Um... If they wanted to do all they'd had to do would have been to not
ban Erland's plugin.
It clearly doesn't fit their business model.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-12-21 Thread erland

PRGeno wrote: 
 Errand,  maybe this could be an opportunity for you. Instead of paying
 $20,000/year for access to Musixmatch, how about selling the rights to
 you plugin to them.  They already have an IOS app player that gets
 lyrics, maybe they might want something for the SB ecosystem to push
 lyrics and ads to SB users through iPeng.
 
Just to confirm what pippin is saying, they aren't interested because it
doesn't fit their business model.
They want to work with big companies who are willing to pay them a
significant amount of money per year. I've already tried to offer them a
significantly lower amount per year, in line with what I believe I could
sell plugin licenses for without earning anything on it myself, but they
weren't interested in that.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-10-28 Thread Schindler

I am using XBMC for some years mainly to watch movies. Now I switched
the skin back to MQ5 and during music playback lyrics is enabled... I
don't think that XBMC or the add-on creator is using a played service.

Could this not also used in your plug-in?

http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=147340highlight=CU+LRC+Lyrics

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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-07-16 Thread Wirrunna

Just a heads up to the users of the Foobar Lyrics plugin that a new
version has been posted
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?s=showtopic=90338view=findpostp=839471
.
Away from home right now so haven't tried it, will report back when I
have tried it out.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-05-23 Thread yeomanspc

I installed this foobar plugin, and it started chuntering through my
library, although not so good on compilation albums, but better than
nothing.  I was concerned that I could not find the tags in my tag
editor - after a bit of investigation I discovered that Synced Lyrics
typically use a LYRICS tag, and unsynced Lyrics use a UNSYNCEDLYRICS
tag.  Not all tag editors recognise synced lyrics (MP3TAG does,
TAGRENAME doesn't seem to).  

I went for the option of 'prefer unsynced' tags, but left the tag labels
as the default (contrary to advice earlier to change them both to
LYRICS).  Doing this enables me to see which files have synced lyrics,
and which have unsynced, and which files have none.  LMS seems to cope
with both, even when a file has both types of tag.  

Ipeng seems to have a small delay before serving up the lyrics, but
overall I am very happy with this.  Many thanks to TheLastMan, Nocko,
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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-16 Thread Wirrunna

A big thank you for this - Nocko for the 'heads up' and TheLastMan (Mr.
Standing ?) for the detailed instructions.
Foobar is pottering through my music adding Lyrics, a batch each night.

As TLM and Erland said earlier in this thread, there is more development
going on in the last 6 months than has happened for years.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-10 Thread Bert57

Late reply.  Sorry.

No, the LYRICS tag is not in my flac music files.  There are no id3
tags.  I use dbpoweramp to create my flac files.

When I ran the foobar app it did imbed lyrics in the flac file but in a
strange place, it looks like this when I go to edit idtag:
Comment (this line is Blank)
(after moving a line lyrics are here
without a tag.)

If I go to my music folder and open a album file hovering over a song
shows the lyrics but they are without an id tag.  There is just a : then
the artist, album and lyrics.

Seems that the problem is no lyrics tag present in my flac files for
foobar to write to.  When I try to add tag LYRICS without a value it
will not save it.  

How do I add a lyrics tag without a value?  I use mp3tag and it doesnt
allow it.  Is there a tagging program that will allow?  Is foobar
supposed to create the lyrics tag and write to it?  If yes what setting
could be wrong?  

Appreciate any suggestions.
Steve



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-10 Thread Bert57

May have found the problem.  I had Synched Lyric Tag and Unsynched lyric
tag both filled in with LYRICS.  When I removed lyrics from Synched it
seems to be working. 

Maybe this will help someone else.

Thanks again to everyone who has responded and tried to help.
Steve



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-10 Thread Bert57

Late reply.  Sorry.

No, the LYRICS tag is not in my flac music files.  There are no id3
tags.  I use dbpoweramp to create my flac files.

When I ran the foobar app it did imbed lyrics in the flac file but in a
strange place, it looks like this when I go to edit idtag:
Comment (this line is Blank)
(after moving a line lyrics are here
without a tag.)

If I go to my music folder and open a album file hovering over a song
shows the lyrics but they are without an id tag.  There is just a : then
the artist, album and lyrics.

Seems that the problem is no lyrics tag present in my flac files for
foobar to write to.  When I try to add tag LYRICS without a value it
will not save it.  

How do I add a lyrics tag without a value?  I use mp3tag and it doesnt
allow it.  Is there a tagging program that will allow?  Is foobar
supposed to create the lyrics tag and write to it?  If yes what setting
could be wrong?  

Appreciate any suggestions.
Steve



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-09 Thread Bert57

Ok!  Thanks.  

If the lyrics do not show under Song Info where do they show?  I use
LMS at my office and Ipeng on my home system.  Am doing the lyrics to
tags at the office and will later install on the home computer.  Do I
need something new installed on the office computer to see the lyrics
using LMS?
Thanks
Steve



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-09 Thread pippin

In iPeng they should definitely show on the lyrics screen saver



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-09 Thread erland

Bert57 wrote: 
 Ok!  Thanks.  
 
 If the lyrics do not show under Song Info where do they show?  I use
 LMS at my office and Ipeng on my home system.  Am doing the lyrics to
 tags at the office and will later install on the home computer.  Do I
 need something new installed on the office computer to see the lyrics
 using LMS?
 Thanks
 Steve
 
I believe it's supposed to show up in the standard Song Info web page in
LMS web interface. The one that's shown when you click on a track in the
LMS web interface.
I'm not sure it's shown in the song details page you get when you click
on a song in a Custom Browse plugin menu.

What file format do you use for your music files ?
What is the tag named ? If my interpretation of the LMS scanning code is
correct, you need to name it LYRICS for it to work.

If you install the free Database Query plugin, you can create a Free
form query from the Extras/Database Query menu and enter the following
SQL statement to list all tracks which have lyrics:

Code:


  SELECT tracks.url FROM tracks WHERE tracks.lyrics is not null;
  


If it shows an empty row it means that the scanner haven't worked
properly for some reason.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-09 Thread Bert57

erland wrote: 
 I believe it's supposed to show up in the standard Song Info web page in
 LMS web interface. The one that's shown when you click on a track in the
 LMS web interface.
 I'm not sure it's shown in the song details page you get when you click
 on a song in a Custom Browse plugin menu.
 
 What file format do you use for your music files ?
 What is the tag named ? If my interpretation of the LMS scanning code is
 correct, you need to name it LYRICS for it to work.
 
 If you install the free Database Query plugin, you can create a Free
 form query from the Extras/Database Query menu and enter the following
 SQL statement to list all tracks which have lyrics:
  
Code:

  
   SELECT tracks.url FROM tracks WHERE tracks.lyrics is not null;
   

  
 If it shows an empty row it means that the scanner haven't worked
 properly for some reason.

All music files are FLAC and the tag name is LYRICS in some when I
hoover over the song in my music.  Have found that in most of my library
the lyrics are there but there is no tag name ie LYRICS.  When I go to
mp3tag extended tags there is no LYRICS there.  If I try to add it
asks for field and value.  I assume field is LYRICS but have no idea
what to put for value.
Suggestions?
Thanks



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-09 Thread Roland0

Bert57 wrote: 
 All music files are FLAC and the tag name is LYRICS in some when I
 hoover over the song in my music.  Have found that in most of my library
 the lyrics are there but there is no tag name ie LYRICS.  
 
Not quite sure if I follow - is the LYRICS tag in your FLACs or not? If
you test it with a track where it is present, does LMS recognize it?

btw, which application are you using to create the FLACs? Can you check
that it only adds FLAC tags, and not ID3 tags (for FLACs, lyrics are in
the LYRICS tag. For MP3s (which uses ID3 tags), they are in USLT or SYLT
tags. For example, EAC is known to add both depending on the
configuration, and this seems to confuse some applications, including
mp3tag)? 

 
 When I go to mp3tag extended tags there is no LYRICS there.  If I try
 to add it asks for field and value.  I assume field is LYRICS but
 have no idea what to put for value.
 Suggestions?
 Thanks
The value would be the lyrics themselves, but since you say they are
already in the track, adding them makes no sense.

I'd suggest that you take a track which contains lyrics, and look at the
tags in the LMS web interface (Song Info/View Tags - no need to rescan
the library before doing so).
You should see a LYRICS tag there (and hopefully no USLT or SYLT - that
would be ID3 tags)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-08 Thread Bert57

I've been fooling with this for a while and am still unable to get it to
show the lyrics in squeezebox.  I have song lyrics plugin installed but
have removed the check mark next to it assuming that that would disable
it.  Song lyrics still shows in LMS when I use the more info but most
often with the wrong lyrics and says lyrics delivered by chartlyrics.
When I use foobar for lyrics it does write the correct lyrics to tag. 
That is when I go to my music folder for the album and hover over the
song correct lyrics are there but not when I use LMS.
Any suggestions for correcting this?  Please keep in mind that I am a
computer novice.  Things have to be detailed for me to have success with
this type of thing.
Thanks
Steve



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-08 Thread Bert57

Mnyb wrote: 
 Remeber that you have to rescan after every change to the songs for LMS
 to pick them up , if the change is to small new and changed may not
 work ,only the clear and rescan .
 Especially if you set your tagger to preserve all dates (not to pollute
 new music)

Did a full clear and rescan.  Still no lyrics with song info.

Seems like it is just not being sent to LMS.  Must be a setting
somewhere that sends the tagged lyrics to lms but I have no idea.
Thanks for your help.
Steve



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-08 Thread pippin

The lyrics are NOT supposed to show up under SongInfo, that's the menu
for the SongInfo plugin. They are supposed to have their own menu entry
(sorry, can't try it out, I only have one track with embedded lyrics and
I forgot which one that is)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-04-03 Thread Nocko!

Now that I have saved all lyrics in my Flacs / tags I have a quite
special question:

For my remote control project I need a direct link to Squeezeserver to
show the lyrics of the currently played song. For example, there is such
a link for the Now Playing Cover with
http://192..:9000/music/current/cover.jpg? - is there a link in
Squeezeserver that points directly to the Now Playing Lyrics ?

Or as a workaround: Is there a plugin that enables such a link ?

Thank you,
Nocko!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-27 Thread TheLastMan

bengaldave wrote: 
 What software do you use to sync the folders on the NAS to the PC?
 
 I have been thinking about doing something like this?
I use ViceVersa Pro 2.5 from TGRMN.com.  At $60 it is not cheap, but
extremely powerful and configurable. It can detect file changes in real
time and copy them over and it can do scheduled syncs (which is how I
use it). When you overwrite or delete a file it can archive the old
version so you can go back to an earlier version when you screw up.  The
main advantage is bi-directional synch which means you can make changes
on either drive and it will synch the two. It can do all sorts of types
of backup too.

As well a synching various folders between PC and NAS I also use it for
synching my laptop between work network and home.

I would not bother with the reduced price version of the program as
there is plenty of other freeware out there that will do 90% of the
job.

Sorry I cannot make any more suggestions as I have not really used
anything else.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-27 Thread bengaldave

TheLastMan wrote: 
 I use ViceVersa Pro 2.5 from TGRMN.com.  At $60 it is not cheap, but
 extremely powerful and configurable. It can detect file changes in real
 time and copy them over and it can do scheduled syncs (which is how I
 use it). When you overwrite or delete a file it can archive the old
 version so you can go back to an earlier version when you screw up.  The
 main advantage is bi-directional synch which means you can make changes
 on either drive and it will synch the two. It can do all sorts of types
 of backup too.
 
 As well a synching various folders between PC and NAS I also use it for
 synching my laptop between work network and home.
 
 I would not bother with the reduced price version of the program as
 there is plenty of other freeware out there that will do 90% of the
 job.
 
 Sorry I cannot make any more suggestions as I have not really used
 anything else.

Thanks, I will take a look, and yes, there are programs that do some of
what is needed but not all.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-25 Thread TheLastMan

davidismynaim wrote: 
 I am following your route of using foobar to scan and tag my 12000
 tracks on LMS. Nearly killed my WHS while it tries to keep up with
 mirroring onto both disks!
 
 My question is have you figured out a neat way to re-run the workflow
 say once a month to pick up new music. I don't really want to include it
 in my normal rip, transfer, musicip, rescan process as it is already
 pretty involved. So ideally every month of two I would like to kick off
 a foobar run to update all new music. But I am not familiar with foobar,
 just followed you instructions blindly...any thoughts?
 
 thanks btw for the post!
Always glad to help!

I finished the process last week and a random survey reveals about 2 -
3% of tracks with truncated lyrics, which is a bit annoying.  I have
found which databases are the culprits so now just use the ones that
work for new music. Am at work at the moment so cannot remember
off-hand, but will post again later.

Foobar remembers all your Lyrics Show and Preview settings, so even
though you may have finished the original task, adding new lyrics data
would be as simple as playing or previewing the tracks on the new album
in Foobar.  Assuming 10-15 tracks in most pop albums that makes adding
new lyrics a 60 - 90 second process if you Preview each track for 6
seconds.

I don't use the Foobar library function, but I would not be surprised if
it had a new music list feature somewhere.  All you would need to do
then is create a playlist from the new music and run the preview
function on it.

Personally my workflow for a new CD is now as follows:
Start dBPoweramp and use the simultaneous rip function to add the music
files, tags and folder art to my FLAC and MP3 libraries on my PC.  This
takes about 5 minutes to tweak the tags and 2 minutes to perform the
rip.

Run foobar on each folder (MP3 and FLAC) to add the lyrics, that is 2 x
90 seconds at worst.

Er... thats it.  I have everything else set up to work automatically.

I have software which, every 10 minutes, automatically synchronises the
two music libraries on the PC on which I rip the music with mirrored
folders on my NAS.  LMS uses the FLAC folder on the NAS I use as an LMS
server. That means that it takes a maximum of 15 minutes after I have
ripped a CD for it to be available on LMS.

I have about 8,000 tracks now, so not many fewer than you.  I have set
up LMS to do a complete rescan automatically at 3am every day while I am
asleep, which takes it about 10 minutes.  That way all newly ripped CDs
are automatically added as new music each day without me having to set
anything off manually.

If I want to listen to the music straightaway after ripping it I just
browse to it using the Music Folder option under My Music in LMS. 
That will automatically add the music to the database.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-25 Thread bengaldave

TheLastMan wrote: 
 Always glad to help!
 
 I finished the process last week and a random survey reveals about 2 -
 3% of tracks with truncated lyrics, which is a bit annoying.  I have
 found which databases are the culprits so now just use the ones that
 work for new music. Am at work at the moment so cannot remember
 off-hand, but will post again later.
 
 Foobar remembers all your Lyrics Show and Preview settings, so even
 though you may have finished the original task, adding new lyrics data
 would be as simple as playing or previewing the tracks on the new album
 in Foobar.  Assuming 10-15 tracks in most pop albums that makes adding
 new lyrics a 60 - 90 second process if you Preview each track for 6
 seconds.
 
 I don't use the Foobar library function, but I would not be surprised if
 it had a new music list feature somewhere.  All you would need to do
 then is create a playlist from the new music and run the preview
 function on it.
 
 Personally my workflow for a new CD is now as follows:
 Start dBPoweramp and use the simultaneous rip function to add the music
 files, tags and folder art to my FLAC and MP3 libraries on my PC.  This
 takes about 5 minutes to tweak the tags and 2 minutes to perform the
 rip.
 
 Run foobar on each folder (MP3 and FLAC) to add the lyrics, that is 2 x
 90 seconds at worst.
 
 Er... thats it.  I have everything else set up to work automatically.
 
 I have software which, every 10 minutes, automatically synchronises the
 two music libraries on the PC on which I rip the music with mirrored
 folders on the NAS I use as my LMS server and backup drive (LMS uses the
 FLAC folder). That means that it takes a maximum of 15 minutes after I
 have ripped a CD for it to be available on LMS.
 
 I have about 8,000 tracks now, so not many fewer than you.  I have set
 up LMS to do a complete rescan automatically at 3am every day while I am
 asleep, which takes it about 10 minutes.  That way all newly ripped CDs
 are automatically added as new music each day without me having to set
 anything off manually.
 
 If I want to listen to the music straightaway after ripping it I just
 browse to it using the Music Folder option under My Music in LMS. 
 That will automatically add the music to the database without having to
 initiate a rescan.



What software do you use to sync the folders on the NAS to the PC?

I have been thinking about doing something like this?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-24 Thread davidismynaim

I am following your route of using foobar to scan and tag my 12000
tracks on LMS. Nearly killed my WHS while it tries to keep up with
mirroring onto both disks!

My question is have you figured out a neat way to re-run the workflow
say once a month to pick up new music. I don't really want to include it
in my normal rip, transfer, musicip, rescan process as it is already
pretty involved. So ideally every month of two I would like to kick off
a foobar run to update all new music. But I am not familiar with foobar,
just followed you instructions blindly...any thoughts?

thanks btw for the post!

TheLastMan wrote: 
 No probs.
 
 One thing I omitted. The Lyric Show panel needs to be docked in the
 foobar player to view the lyrics.  This is what works well for me:
 View, Layout, Quick setup and choose Visualisation + Cover art + Tabs
 then
 View, Layout, Enable layout editing mode
 then
 Right click the bottom right panel
 choose replace UI Element
 Lyrics Show Panel v3 is at the bottom of the list under the heading
 Utils.
 If you want more room to view the lyrics you can right click on the
 boundary between the top and bottom right panels and un-tick Lock
 bottom pane height.  You can then drag it up to the size you want.
 When you have finished go back and un-tick Enable layout editing mode
 
 Foorbar's interface is very configurable, but it is not my main player
 so I am only interested in the basics really.
 
 So far I have been very pleased with the way this has grabbed lyrics for
 me.  My only problems have been one album with no lyrics anywhere,
 several tracks with truncated lyrics (the first few lines followed by
 [...] ) and a few tracks in Spanish.  The failure rate in total is no
 more than 1% so it has worked very well.  I imagine the truncated lyrics
 is probably a copyright problem preventing the database from displaying
 the full version.  Unfortunately there is no way of telling which
 database the lyrics actually come from.  The program just works its way
 down the list until it hits one with a match and downloads that. It has
 no way of telling whether a lyric sheet is truncated or not.
 
 It would be good if the program had a way of filtering out the truncated
 lyrics, but not a biggie really.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-12 Thread erland

TheLastMan wrote: 
 
 Presumably the Lyrics field is displayed courtesy of your Song Info
 plugin, for which many thanks. It does not look like I need your Song
 Lyrics plugin then as I can see the Lyrics field just fine with Song
 Info.
 
It's standard LMS functionality, you don't need any of my plugins for it
to work.

TheLastMan wrote: 
 
 Personally I would prefer a quicker way to get to the lyrics from the
 now playing screen, but it is no biggie - probably one for the Orange
 Squeeze list of requested features!
 
If you use iPeng it's a lot easier to access, so maybe it's time to
convince an Android developer to do something similar.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-12 Thread TheLastMan

aubuti wrote: 
 That would be great. I know that I would be grateful (and probably glad
 that it was one of those chores I did not get to last weekend.)
I am presuming here that you have already installed Foobar 2000 and know
the basics.

Download foobar “Seek” plugin zip file from *'here'
(http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=88654)* and the
“Lyric Show Panel 3” zip file from *'here'
(http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_uie_lyrics3)*

There is no need to unzip them, foobar does this as part of the install
process.

In foobar go to file, Preferences, Components and install both plugins.
*Press “apply” and the program will restart.

Once the plugins are installed go to File, Preferences, Tools, Lyric
Show 3

LYRIC SEARCHING TAB
On the first tab your main choice is to decide whether you want “time
stamped” lyrics that will scroll and synchronise with the music karaoke
style, or whether you just want a straight text tag.
The options are:
- Only synced
- Only non-synced
- Prefer synced
- Prefer non-synced
- No preference

Neither the Controller, nor either of the apps I use (Logitech and
Orange Squeeze) can use the time stamping so I chose only non-synced.
Synced files have time data and HTML characters alongside the lyrics so
are virtually unreadable unless your player can use the data.

If you use iPeng you might want to ask Pippin whether his app can use
the time stamps.

You then have to choose the order in which the plugin searches the
various databases. I have no idea which is better so just shifted the
“Timestamped” servers to the bottom.

LYRIC SAVING TAB
Tick (check) “Enable automatic save”
“Save method” is “Save to tag” *(very important!)*
It is crucial that the un-synced Lyric tag is set to “LYRICS” otherwise
Orange Squeeze and the Controller won’t read it.
If you like your lyrics synced you will need to experiment with the
synced lyric tag and your choice of control software. Again perhaps
Pippin can advise.

I have ignored the “Advanced” tab, nothing critical here as far as I can
tell.

That is it for the Lyric Show 3 plugin.

The “Preview” option in the seek plugin is set up from the normal
“Playback” menu.

IMPLEMENTATION
Add all the files and folders you want to tag to the playlist.  Go to
Playback, Seek Control, Preview length and select what you want. I found
that the minimum, 6 seconds, was more than enough. Then choose Playback,
Seek Control and tick Preview.

Press “Play” and then go away! 
You might want to watch it for a few tracks, it is rather cool,
otherwise you can leave it to do its stuff for as long as it takes. I
have done about half my collection now and will do the other half over
the next few days.

Have fun!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-12 Thread aubuti

TheLastMan wrote: 
 I am presuming here that you have already installed Foobar 2000 and know
 the basics. Also a lot of this is dependent on how accurate your tags
 are.  It uses the Artist and Track name tags so you will get errors if
 these are not correct.  If you are rather anal about these things, like
 me, you will not have an issue.
 snip
 Have fun!
Thanks, TLM!  I do meet all the prerequisites (including being
anal-retentive about tagging), so I look forward to giving this a spin
when I have some time.  I'm sure this step-by-step will save me a few
false steps.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-12 Thread TheLastMan

aubuti wrote: 
 Thanks, TLM!  I do meet all the prerequisites (including being
 anal-retentive about tagging), so I look forward to giving this a spin
 when I have some time.  I'm sure this step-by-step will save me a few
 false steps.
No probs.

One thing I omitted. The Lyric Show panel needs to be docked in the
foobar player to view the lyrics.  This is what works well for me:
View, Layout, Quick setup and choose Visualisation + Cover art + Tabs
then
View, Layout, Enable layout editing mode
then
Right click the bottom right panel
choose replace UI Element
Lyrics Show Panel v3 is at the bottom of the list under the heading
Utils.
If you want more room to view the lyrics you can right click on the
boundary between the top and bottom right panels and un-tick Lock
bottom pane height.  You can then drag it up to the size you want.
When you have finished go back and un-tick Enable layout editing mode

Foorbar's interface is very configurable, but it is not my main player
so I am only interested in the basics really.

So far I have been very pleased with the way this has grabbed lyrics for
me.  My only problems have been one album with no lyrics anywhere,
several tracks with truncated lyrics (the first few lines followed by
[...] ) and a few tracks in Spanish.  The failure rate in total is no
more than 1% so it has worked very well.  I imagine the truncated lyrics
is probably a copyright problem preventing the database from displaying
the full version.  Unfortunately there is no way of telling which
database the lyrics actually come from.  The program just works its way
down the list until it hits one with a match and downloads that. It has
no way of telling whether a lyric sheet is truncated or not.

It would be good if the program had a way of filtering out the truncated
lyrics, but not a biggie really.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-12 Thread TheLastMan

erland wrote: 
 It's standard LMS functionality, you don't need any of my plugins for it
 to work.
OK.  Where is the Song info plugin used then?

 If you use iPeng it's a lot easier to access, so maybe it's time to
 convince an Android developer to do something similar.
My daughter has my old iPod Touch with iPeng installed. I might borrow
it and see whether it is worth it.

Bearing in mind recent events I doubt that very much development is
going on with Squeezebox apps and plugins at the moment, other than
yourself and a handful of stalwarts such as  Triode. I might drop a note
in the Orange Squeeze thread here to see if the developer is willing to
invest any more time on it.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-12 Thread TheLastMan

As I said I don't have an Apple device. My wife and I have Android
phones with shared calendars, contacts etc. Well locked into Google's
network! 

Of course $10 is nothing, and I have tried other SB apps but settled on
what I consider the best Android one - paid for full version of course. 

It is great that you think there will be continued development. I hope
you are right. I will continue to offer support and feedback where I
can.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-12 Thread prabbit

FYI...iPeng used to be $10, it has been $5 for a while. Depending how
old the iPod Touch is, it may not support the latest version of iPeng,
which has a main page that displays lyrics. In my opinion, it's one of
my favorite features of iPeng in the last few months.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-12 Thread pippin

iPeng is $6 (iPhone/iTouch) and $10 (iPad) and it currently runs on
anything except for first generation iOS devices (original iPhone and
iTouch). But I would not recommend it on 2nd generation devices either
except as a standalone player (that doesn't require strict syncing). I
personally find it too slow on these as a controller.
Which leaves everything from Gen 3 on (iPhone 3GS, iTouch 3rd Gen, all
iPads)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-11 Thread TheLastMan

Nocko! wrote: 
 ...ok, I have swallowed the bad news. Currently I am tagging all my
 flags with lyrics. I am using foobar with the the Lyrics Show Panel v3.
 This works really, really well with the additional preview plugin. You
 put ALL your music in a giant Foobar playlist, set the Preview plugin to
 something about 10 seconds (or less) and let it play. The result is that
 every song in your playlist is played for 10 seconds, the Lyrics Show
 Panel searches the correct lyrics and writes them in the song tag. If
 there are already lyrics in the tag, they are not touched. 
 
 You have to fiddle a little bit with the Lyrics Show Panel preferences
 but the result is fantastic. I use it with iPeng so there is no need for
 synced lyrics. I search for unsynced lyrics and save them into the
 Lyrics - Tag because as far as I can see, iPeng doesn't look in the
 Unsynced Lyrics - Tag. 
 
 In the end the result is better than the lyrics search done by
 musixmatch or chartlyrics. And it is damn fast !
 
 By the way: You can easily correct the lyrics if they are wrong or
 formatted in an ugly way. I am listening to all sorts of Heavy Metal
 (70%), AOR (20%) and misc genres. I think more than 90% of the found
 lyrics are correct. You should really try this...
 ...but as ever: First do a test drive on a few of your tracks !
 
 Have fun,
 Nocko!
Brilliant and thanks Nocko!

I am gradually working through my collection of music filling the Lyrics
fields.  Did A-D Saturday and plan to do E-L overnight tonight.
The remaining issue  is how to easily gain access to the Lyrics field to
view the data using either the Controller or one of the Android SB apps.
I currently have the Logitech one and Orange Squeeze.  A couple of
clicks from the now playing screen would be good.

Erland, if I have your plugin installed and there is already data in the
Lyrics field, will it display that rather than attempt to get the lyrics
from Musixmatch?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-11 Thread pippin

iPeng would lyrics from tags always let take preference over ones from
your plugin.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-11 Thread TheLastMan

erland wrote: 
 If you have LYRICS tags you won't need my plugin, LMS supports to
 display LYRICS tags in Song Info by default and I think this is also
 shown in some of the iPhone/Android apps. My plugin currently only takes
 lyrics from online source, but if there is a need for it I could adjust
 it so it prefers lyrics information from the music tags and only check
 online sources if no lyrics tag is found. However, before I do that,
 please test if it works as you like first without the plugin.
Thanks for that.

I have your Song Info plugin installed but have uninstalled the Song
Lyrics plugin.  Looking at some of the songs where I have saved to the
lyrics tag using Foobar they are accessible as follows:
- on the Controller, select a track and then press the + button. 
This brings up the context menu for adding to the playlist and so on
below which is some tag data.  At the 13th line of this menu is
Lyrics.  Press select and it displays the content of the Lyrics
field.
- for the same track on Logitech Android app, the Lyrics menu item,
when selected, shows the title of the song but no lyrics.
- on Orange Squeeze the context menu is the same but the lyrics are
displayed correctly.

Presumably the Lyrics field is displayed courtesy of your Song Info
plugin, for which many thanks. It does not look like I need your Song
Lyrics plugin then as I can see the Lyrics field just fine with Song
Info.

Personally I would prefer a quicker way to get to the lyrics from the
now playing screen, but it is no biggie - probably one for the Orange
Squeeze list of requested features!

Thanks for continuing to support this forum, without your plugins the SB
ecosystem would not be half as good as it is.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-11 Thread TheLastMan

pippin wrote: 
 iPeng prioritizes lyrics taken from tags over those coming from the
 plugin, assuming that you know what you are doing when adding stuff to
 tags.
The Foobar Lyric Show 3 plugin is just brilliant at finding lyrics and
writing them to the tag, once you work out how the settings affect it
all.  There is no documentation so it is all a bit hit and miss to begin
with.  I might put up another comment here with a brief guide on how I
have set it up to work.

Using the Hydrogen Audio Seek (foo seek) plugin 'here'
(http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=88654) lets you
add a whole stack of tracks as a playlist and then set it playing 6
second previews of each track.  That is more than enough time for the
Lyric Show plugin to find lyrics.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-11 Thread aubuti

TheLastMan wrote: 
 The Foobar Lyric Show 3 plugin is just brilliant at finding lyrics and
 writing them to the tag, once you work out how the settings affect it
 all.  There is no documentation so it is all a bit hit and miss to begin
 with.  I might put up another comment here with a brief guide on how I
 have set it up to work.
That would be great. I know that I would be grateful (and probably glad
that it was one of those chores I did not get to last weekend.)



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-04 Thread Nocko!

...ok, I have swallowed the bad news. Currently I am tagging all my
flags with lyrics. I am using foobar with the the Lyrics Show Panel v3.
This works really, really well with the additional preview plugin. You
put ALL your music in a giant Foobar playlist, set the Preview plugin to
something about 10 seconds (or less) and let it play. The result is that
every song in your playlist is played for 10 seconds, the Lyrics Show
Panel searches the correct lyrics and writes them in the song tag. If
there are already lyrics in the tag, they are not touched. 

You have to fiddle a little bit with the Lyrics Show Panel preferences
but the result is fantastic. I use it with iPeng so there is no need for
synced lyrics. I search for unsynced lyrics and save them into the
Lyrics - Tag because as far as I can see, iPeng doesn't look in the
Unsynced Lyrics - Tag. 

In the end the result is better than the lyrics search done by
musixmatch or chartlyrics. And it is damn fast !

By the way: You can easily correct the lyrics if they are wrong or
formatted in an ugly way. I am listening to all sorts of Heavy Metal
(70%), AOR (20%) and misc genres. I think more than 90% of the found
lyrics are correct. You should really try this...
...but as ever: First do a test drive on a few of your tracks !

Have fun,
Nocko!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-04 Thread aubuti

Nocko! wrote: 
 ...ok, I have swallowed the bad news. Currently I am tagging all my
 flags with lyrics. I am using foobar with the the Lyrics Show Panel v3.
 This works really, really well with the additional preview plugin. You
 put ALL your music in a giant Foobar playlist, set the Preview plugin to
 something about 10 seconds (or less) and let it play. The result is that
 every song in your playlist is played for 10 seconds, the Lyrics Show
 Panel searches the correct lyrics and writes them in the song tag. If
 there are already lyrics in the tag, they are not touched. 
Thanks 1,000,000 for this. Sounds much better than Music Bee. Or
manually searching for lyrics on the web and pasting to tags via
mp3tag



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-04 Thread Nocko!

aubuti wrote: 
 Thanks 1,000,000 for this. Sounds much better than Music Bee. Or
 manually searching for lyrics on the web and pasting to tags via
 mp3tag

...but be careful for the first tracks. 
Just this minute I sit in front of my notebook, smiling broader for
every song lyric the machine finds. Still eight hours to go and I am
through with it. A hard nights work for my machines while I'm sleeping.

If there are mistakes in the lyrics, you can re-edit them or load other
lyrics. For questions: Feel free to ask. But I have to admit that I
don't really know how I have managed this. 

Greetings,
Nocko!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-03 Thread aubuti

sebage wrote: 
 Is there a plug-in or script that could save the lyrics information into
 meta-tags now, whilst we still have access to the information?
Some time back I used a Windows program named Music Bee
(http://getmusicbee.com/) that would look up lyrics and then write them
to tags of FLAC or MP3 files (it may have worked with other codecs, but
I never tried). It worked great for me at first, then after a while it
started writing only the URL to a lyrics service. I don't know if they
ever straightened it out, but I may give it another look now.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-02 Thread sebage

Is there a plug-in or script that could save the lyrics information into
meta-tags now, whilst we still have access to the information?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-02 Thread prabbit

I use Get Lyrical on my Mac. I looked for anything on Windows, but I'm
sure there are similar tools out there.
http://shullian.com/get_lyrical.php

Caveats: 
My formats are .alac and .mp3. 
Get Lyrical works with iTunes.

Get Lyrical has found lyrics for ~16,000 of my ~22,000 songs. When it
completes, it produces a playlist of songs for which it could not find
lyrics. I rescan that list from time to time hoping that some of them
will be found. Sometimes they are.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-02 Thread VirusKiller

sebage wrote: 
 Is there a plug-in or script that could save the lyrics information into
 meta-tags now, whilst we still have access to the information? I was thinking 
 the same...

Erland - I just spotted this thread and the update to the plugin.  What
does the change in the plugin do?  Has MusixMatch access already
stopped?



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-02 Thread erland

VirusKiller wrote: 
 IWhat does the change in the plugin do?  Has MusixMatch access already
 stopped?

It avoids to try musixmatch since it will always fail since they
suspended my account the same day as I posted this thread.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-02 Thread VirusKiller

erland wrote: 
 It avoids to try musixmatch since it will always fail since they
 suspended my account the same day as I posted this thread. I see. A real 
 shame as this is/was a dynamite plugin, and was much
appreciated.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-02 Thread brillo

Total bummer...

But thanks a million for the great plugin, erland!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-01 Thread Nocko!

I don't understand anything about programming and APIs and so on but I
am very thankful to Erland for his Plugin. I used it for two years (with
iPeng) and it made my music experience perfect. We should fight for it
!
If you, Erland, need financial support for your work (not to buy the
rights for using lyrics), you should feel free to make SongLyrics
commercial. I had already donated a small amount (or two ?) and would do
it again. For maintenance I would also pay a regular fee. 

Could this

http://blog.programmableweb.com/2008/03/31/lyricwiki-api-get-song-lyrics-via-code/

be a source to integrate into your plugin ?

Many thanks, 
Nocko!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-01 Thread Nocko!

...or could lyrdb be an alternative ?

http://www.lyrdb.com/services/developers.php

I still don't understand anything of the technical details...

Nocko!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-01 Thread Nocko!

...or LyricFind ?
I could even tolerate a commercial screen above or at the end of the
lyrics or inbetween...
Nocko!



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-03-01 Thread yeomanspc

Erland, would it be possible for users of your plugin to have to pay a
nominal subscription to the lyrics provider rather than you having to
put up the 20k.  Pretty sure this could be worked using the license
mechanism, and your plugin would only work if they had a paid up
subscription.  The only question then is how much. I don't use it a lot,
but I'd pay them 10 usd per year.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-02-26 Thread TheLastMan

What a shame, and I only recently discovered the plugin as well and was
enjoying using it.  I can confirm that it no longer works on my system.

That $20k annual fee looks monstrous, who are they expecting will pay
for it?  Software and hardware companies? Streaming services?

I think this is the way a lot of the internet is going to go. Things
that are free or cheap today will become paid for and expensive in the
future as ultimately all this work needs to be paid for, and the only
revenue streams are either paying directly or advertising. Volunteers
such as you who are prepared to put so much of their time and effort in
for free can only do so much.  In the end people need to earn a living!

My main worry is the sustainability of the Spotify / Napster / Rhapsody
model.  I cannot see how all-you-can-eat music for £10 / $10 a month
will work in the long term.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-02-26 Thread erland

TheLastMan wrote: 
 
 That $20k annual fee looks monstrous, who are they expecting will pay
 for it? Software and hardware companies? Streaming services?
 
Big companies selling their products/services to the masses, for these
$20 000/year is not a big issue.
As usual the fees are likely dictated by the music industry, musixmatch
is just the company in the middle, so I don't think we should blame
musixmatch.

TheLastMan wrote: 
 
 My main worry is the sustainability of the Spotify / Napster / Rhapsody
 model.  I cannot see how all-you-can-eat music for £10 / $10 a month
 will work in the long term.
 
I know several people who never spent $10/months on music and now spend
$10/month on Spotify without thinking much about it. So to me the
streaming model makes perfect sense, but it probably needs to be
combined with normal purchases because the streaming services always
tend to miss some of the music you like to listen to.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-02-25 Thread Metazargo

Since I have the Lyrics plug-in I'm even more in love with iPeng, SSS
(Logitech Media Server) and the Boxes itself. 

I would be even willing to pay for such a service... reasonable amount,
similar to the small app stuff in the stores. 

My fear is that with the shift to the UE Music Library server it will
take long until the ecosystem will reach a certain maturity with
distributions on NAS and cool plug-ins, as yours. The wrong time to
think about investing in a unclear future. 

Thanks.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-02-25 Thread Metazargo

Metazargo wrote: 
 ...a certain maturity with distributions on NAS...  

Some progress
http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/index.php?ver=10.0



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-02-25 Thread erland

Metazargo wrote: 
 Since I have the Lyrics plug-in I'm even more in love with iPeng, SSS
 (Logitech Media Server) and the Boxes itself. 
 
 I would be even willing to pay for such a service... reasonable amount,
 similar to the small app stuff in the stores. 
 
How much would you be willing to pay per year for lyrics support ?

Metazargo wrote: 
 
 My fear is that with the shift to the UE Music Library server it will
 take long until the ecosystem will reach a certain maturity with
 distributions on NAS and cool plug-ins, as yours. The wrong time to
 think about investing in a unclear future. 
 
UE Music Library does not support third party plugins, so even if I
wanted to make plugins for it, Logitech doesn't allow me to, they have
explicitly removed the plugin support.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-02-25 Thread prabbit

Bummer. I've really enjoyed this plugin, and even more so since iPeng
put lyrics on the third swipe screen. Thanks for the notification,
Erland.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-02-21 Thread Jeff52

Thanks for the information--even though it is bad news.



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Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] Song Lyrics plugin will soon stop working due to musixmatch changes

2013-02-21 Thread Dave Dewey
Quoting erland (erland.5r4...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com):

 
 Just for information to anyone using my Song Lyrics plugin, the Song
 Lyrics plugin is likely going to stop working good very soon.
 
 The reason is that musixmatch have informed me that they can no longer
 support free API access, their minimum fee for a commercial agreement is
 currently $20 000/year which is unrealistic for me to take out of my own
 pockets and it's also totally unrealistic to get anywhere close to this
 amount if I would try to start charging people for the Song Lyrics
 plugin and give everything to musixmatch. I suspect we shouldn't blame
 musixmatch for this, it's probably the music industry that requires them
 to charge people who want to view lyrics, I think it's great that
 musixmatch could offer lyrics for free for non commercial usage as long
 as they did.
 
 So if you want to continue enjoying lyrics on your Squeezebox you now
 have to put the lyrics in the LYRICS tag of your music files, the
 advantage of that is that it's going to continue to work in the future
 since you aren't dependent on an online service or plugin.
 
 I'm really sorry for the inconvenience this is causing all lyrics
 lovers, but unfortunately there isn't anything I can do about it.
 
 If anyone knows another lyrics source that offers an API let me know and
 I'll look into the possibilities to integrate that instead of
 musixmatch. If it doesn't provide an API it's not an option because it
 will require too much work and too high risk to maintain something that
 parses websites to get lyrics data. Song Lyrics already supports lyrics
 from chartlyrics.com but previously their data hasn't been as good as
 musixmatch.com and they also have some legal issues which probably
 results in that it's just a matter of time until that stops working too.

Thanks Erland for everything you do.
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