1400c parts

[Thad Hoffman]

Anyone know of a good site for replacement parts for a pbook 1400c?

I had a link pre-new harddrive, but can't find it anymore. It had parts for
all Apple laptops...

I'm looking for an additional ac cord and the top lid piece (near the
hindges). I have a hairline crack on the left side that is only cosmetic,
but I'm starting to obsess on it. :-)


thx


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Re: C compilers

[Thad Hoffman]

You can also pick up learning CodeWarrior off ebay for <$40. New is around
$50 i think.

It will let you build apps (SIOUX and Mac) but not dll's/slib etc...
Has a debugger and full features, just limits what you can build and how big
the app can be.

Prices are even cheaper for Academic versions.


on 2/27/03 6:49 PM, John Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> All I'm doing is programming very simple little programs as part of a uni
> degree. I use 'Quincy' on a pee cee at home, and Code Warrior on the Uni
> Linux Machines, but if I could run something on my 1400, that would be much
> better, hence the MPW I'm (still) downloading... :-)
> 
> --
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> 


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Re: OS installation without CD drive: SOS!

[Dan K]

I wrote:
>Idea #2) Use the Network SW Installer . . . :
>
>h_American/Macintosh/Networking-Communications/Network_Software_Installer=
>/ZM-NSI_1.5.1.sea.bin>
>
>to install Appletalk onto a Disk Tools floppy (use the custom install option
>to install _just_ AT.) I tried the 7.5.3 and 7.6 Disk Tools 2 disks,
>discard the usual utility pair to make enough room. You'll need to
>add the Chooser and the Appleshare Chooser extension (those bits from the
>NAD seem to work OK) to access your AS network volumes. I'm browsing volumes
>on my G3 DT under 9.2.2 from my 5300 as I type this. There
>_should_ be enough room to install a enet PC card driver along with basic
>enet support, but I've not tested that yet.
>
>The end result of the above procedure provided me with a close approximatio=
>n of the good ol' Network Access Disk, but for PBs 5300/190/2300.

Then Bob Eye wrote:

>Great idea!  

Thanks!

> Can you list the *exact* contents of the disk(s) you made for the 5300?  TIA!

'K:

I started with:
Disk Tools 2 v7.5.3 - deleting the utility pair and CD-ROM extension
 and
Network Software Installer 1.5.1 - 
 (the disk below is with just the AT bits installed, no enet)
--
System Folder 1.2MB
Apple Menu Items
 Chooser v7.5NAD 18K   <--from the 7.5 Network Access Disk
Control Panels
 Network v3.0.2NAD 22K   <--from the 7.5 Network Access Disk
Disk Tools 2 Enabler v7.5.3DT 2K
Extensions
 AppleShare v3.5NAD 55K   <--from the 7.5 Network Access Disk
Finder v7.5.5DT  379K
System v7.5.3DT 796K

hth,

Dan K

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Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

**
> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:10:01 -0800
> From: Fabian Fang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot

> I believe that I first suggested such drives in previous similar threads.  I
> have two of the TravelStar 8E drives, which work on several PowerBook 3400c's
> with no problems.  I remember talking with IBM Technical Support staff just
> after I bought my first drive. They said that the drives should work with
> PowerBooks, but they were not in a position to answer specific
> Macintosh-related questions.  At no time did they state that the drives were
> "not compatible with Macs."  It is a simple matter of formatting the drives
> for Macs with the Apple Drive Setup or similar third-party utilities.
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Thanks for this info. At least I now have confidence to persue it further.

Thanks,
Ken N. 


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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

**
> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:41:20 -0800
> From: David Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)
> 
> RD is basically a Virtual Memory program that works better than Apple's. (I'm
> sure
> someone can jump in to explain exactly how it does this.) It has the same
> limitations with opening some apps, although others treat it as real RAM (very
> slow real RAM!!!)
> 
> I'd check with people on the LEM Swap list and eBay. RAM Modules show up
> occasionally. They are available from some of the Mac RAM supply houses, but
> are
> very pricey. (I got my 48 from the LEM Swap list and my stackable 24s on
> eBay.)
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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Jon Cunningham]

At 12:10 AM -0500 2/27/03, Cameron Kaiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >  > BTW, anyone seen a 64mb RAM for the 1400c lately?
>>
>>nope, I have an extra 16 meg chip that would put me at 64, but the stupid
>>machine won't boot with it stacked on the other chip... read somewhere that
>  >if there was 16mb on the mobo, that stacking wouldn't work..
>
>>  I don't know where they got that idea. I have a PB 1400c (w/Nupowr G3
>>  250mhz upgrade) that has 16mb on the mobo and two stacked 24's, for a
>>  total of its max of 64mb. Works fine.
>
>I think it matters how much you started with. Did yours have 16Mb factory
>installed?
>
>Mine was a 12MB factory install, which I initially upgraded to 16MB with
>a pull from a 1400c/133. It worked fine with one stackable unit, but number
>two broke the bank. Swapping the 4MB back (for 12MB base RAM once again)
>cured the problem, but now I'm stuck at 60MB, grr.

I can't be positive, because I bought it used. It came with 40mb (16 
mobo + 24), and I recently added the other 24mb. It was originally a 
1400c 166mhz, and I think most of those came stock with 16mb on the 
mobo.

In answer to your original question, I'm also pretty sure that you 
won't find a 1-piece 64mb RAM chip for the 1400c.

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Re: C++ for Mac

[Thad Hoffman]

MPW and BBEdit are great. MPW is free as well, C/C++/ObjC/ and even
Java(additional setup required)

I use it more than CodeWarrior most of the time.


on 2/27/03 5:54 PM, John Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thanks all for that VERY quick reply :-)
> 
> I'm downloading MPW now...
> 
> --
> John
> 
> 
> On 28/2/03 10:46 AM, "Bruce Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> John Smith wrote:
>>> Hello List,
>>> 
>>> Has anyone had any experience with C++ compilers on their Macs?? I currently
>>> have to leave my beloved Apple machines in order to program on a pee cee,
>>> but if anyone knows of a good C++ compiler, I may not have to keep doing
>>> that... :-)
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> 
>>> John.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> gcc, if you're running OSX...
>> 
>> That said, if you're coding for Windows machines, you're probably sol
>> anyway, since you're going to need the windows libraries.
>> 
>> If you're doing just C++ gcc (under OSX) or MPW (under OS9) are good,
>> free, bets.
> 


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Re: C compilers

[Thad Hoffman]

Codewarrior is available  for both Mac and windows and there is a version
that allows for both mac and win compiling on Mac, there is even one that
allows Mac, Win, and Palm compiling.

Email their support and they will hook you up. They got me set up and were
way friendly.


on 2/27/03 6:36 PM, David Deckert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> That said, if you're coding for Windows machines, you're probably sol
>> anyway, since you're going to need the windows libraries.
> 
> I thought there was a version of CodeWarrrior that could make Windows
> apps, much like the full version of the Mac version of RealBasic can
> make Windows apps (I realize RealBasic isn't a C compiler.)
> 
> Even so, if Windows software is what you want to create, I'd think the
> whole process woule be better to do it on a PC, yes?
> 
> -David


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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Thad Hoffman]

from Apple's knowledge base:

Possible solutions:

   1) Try reseating the memory card. A memory card that has become
unseated will give this error.

   2) Apple has worked closely with developers of third-party
(non-Apple) memory upgrades and have identified timing issues between
the added RAM and the Power 1400 series computers. Many of these third
party memory vendors are now modifying their cards to allow for proper
signal timing.

   Customers that have added third-party memory upgrades that are not
being recognized, or that report memory errors after reseating the
memory card, should contact the vendor of the memory upgrade.


my 32 doesn't have a piggy slot. also won't boot with it on the 16mb chip
without the 8 mb Apple card in... Guess I am stuck at 48megs...


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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Judy Perry]

This is what I had as well...

Judy

On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Tom & Lisa P wrote:

> That may not always be correct.  I have a 1400 with a stacked 32 and
> 24 card, and the 8 megs on the motherboard to give me 64 megs total.


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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[RaceCivicR]

I own a stackable 32meg card for the 1400 (plug on top and bottom). And it's 
stacked 32 on the bottom and 16 on top and works fine.

   Jake

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote...>

32 Meg modules are not stackable.  24s and smaller are.  Even though the Max 
RAM

in that slot is 48, it must be done with either 2-24s or a single 48 module. 
Why?

I have no idea, but probably is something in the RAM recognition side of the

ROM.  GURU shows many combinations of the 4, 8, 16 and 24 Meg modules, but 
shows

the 32 Meg and  48 Meg modules as being only allowed as single units.)


You can stack the RAM that allows stacking even if you have the 16 Meg Apple

setup. (8 on the MB and 8 in the Apple expansion slot.) I have a 1400 running

that way now while my other uses a single 48 Meg, the 8 on the MB and a 4 Meg 
in

the Apple slot. The only problem with the stacked RAM is when attempting to 
use a

3rd party video card. The Apple 8 bit card can be used in the stacked module

1400, but the 16 bit 3rd party card is larger and will not allow the top RAM

module to be installed. (The 16 bit card had to be put in the 1400 with the

single 48 Meg module.)


Both have G3 upgrades,([EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) which don't interfere 
with any other

upgrades. I'd love to upgrade the 4 Meg Apple RAM module to an 8, but they 
are a

terrible buy per Meg and not worth the investment for the tiny gain. RAM 
Doubler

has a better bang for the buck, allowing triple the RAM under OS 9.1, without

slowing them very much.


David Allen

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Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive

[Dan Palka]

>modern powerbooks are limited to 12mm or less, iirc.

Heh but the PowerBook G4 is 1 inch thick while the PowerBook 190cs is 2.2 
inches thick

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Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive

[Dan Palka]

>Hmm...probably, though it might be too thick, that sounds like an 
>17-18mm drive.
>
>Electronically, it will work fine...Apples Drive Setup will format 
>virtually any 2.5" ATA drive out there.
>
>The 2.5 inch form factor is a set size, in terms of width and length, 
>though mounting holes will vary. They do vary a bit in 
>thickness...modern powerbooks are limited to 12mm or less, iirc.

Hmm well I guess I'll just have to cross my fingers.  I really hope it 
works though, because 5gb will be a lot better than 500mb.

But thats good that at least technicall it will work.




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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Brian]

David...

>>
>> And which version of RD are you using with your 9.1?

:)

Thanks,

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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Brian]

>I've tried VPC 4/ME on both of my 1400/G3s and found that it wouldn't work. I
>originally assumed that it was because RD is a VM, although much quicker
>and more

There is a problem with one of the Sonnet extensions; they had to issue an
update for compatibility with VPC 4.0.

I forget which version was this specific fix but if you use the latest
Sonnet extension, it will not be the cause of any problem with VPC at least.

I get an "insufficient memory" error with my 60 meg 1400; when I posted
about it here, someone with the 64 megs installed replied that VPC 4 did
work for them.  My "goal" was VPC4/Win98. VPC 3/Win95 is working fine
though.

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Re: C compilers

[John Smith]

All I'm doing is programming very simple little programs as part of a uni
degree. I use 'Quincy' on a pee cee at home, and Code Warrior on the Uni
Linux Machines, but if I could run something on my 1400, that would be much
better, hence the MPW I'm (still) downloading... :-)

--
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On 28/2/03 11:36 AM, "David Deckert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> That said, if you're coding for Windows machines, you're probably sol
>> anyway, since you're going to need the windows libraries.
> 
> I thought there was a version of CodeWarrrior that could make Windows
> apps, much like the full version of the Mac version of RealBasic can
> make Windows apps (I realize RealBasic isn't a C compiler.)
> 
> Even so, if Windows software is what you want to create, I'd think the
> whole process woule be better to do it on a PC, yes?
> 
> -David


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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Tom & Lisa P]

>32 Meg modules are not stackable.  24s and smaller are.  Even though 
>the Max RAM
>in that slot is 48, it must be done with either 2-24s or a single 48 
>module. Why?
>I have no idea, but probably is something in the RAM recognition side of the
>ROM.  GURU shows many combinations of the 4, 8, 16 and 24 Meg 
>modules, but shows
>the 32 Meg and  48 Meg modules as being only allowed as single units.)

That may not always be correct.  I have a 1400 with a stacked 32 and 
24 card, and the 8 megs on the motherboard to give me 64 megs total.

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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Tom & Lisa P]

>  >  > BTW, anyone seen a 64mb RAM for the 1400c lately?
>>
>>nope, I have an extra 16 meg chip that would put me at 64, but the stupid
>>machine won't boot with it stacked on the other chip... read somewhere that
>>if there was 16mb on the mobo, that stacking wouldn't work..
>
>
>I don't know where they got that idea. I have a PB 1400c (w/Nupowr G3
>250mhz upgrade) that has 16mb on the mobo and two stacked 24's, for a
>total of its max of 64mb. Works fine.
>
>I wonder if pulling your 32mb, installing the 16mb, and then putting
>the 32mb back on top would help? Stranger things have happened.
>
>Jon C.

PB 1400 RAM is sometimes voodoo.  Depending entirely on the RAM cards 
involved, some machines may work with a total of 3 RAM cards (1 apple 
+ 2 stackable) and some may not.  There seems to be no rhyme or 
reason, just experimental observations.  You can get to 64 megs of 
RAM, but you are more likely to be able to do so if you only use 2 
RAM cards.  YMMV.

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Re: OS installation without CD drive: SOS!

[Robert Eye]

Dan,

Great idea!  Can you list the *exact* contents of the disk(s) you made for the 5300?  
TIA!

Regards,

Bob Eye
Dallas, TX

-Original Message-
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:54:10 -0500
From: Dan K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Idea #2) Use the Network SW Installer . . . :



to install Appletalk onto a Disk Tools floppy (use the custom install option to 
install _just_ AT.) I tried the 7.5.3 and 7.6 Disk Tools 2 disks, discard the usual 
utility pair to make enough room. You'll need to 
add the Chooser and the Appleshare Chooser extension (those bits from the NAD seem to 
work OK) to access your AS network volumes. I'm browsing volumes on my G3 DT under 
9.2.2 from my 5300 as I type this. There 
_should_ be enough room to install a enet PC card driver along with basic enet 
support, but I've not tested that yet.

The end result of the above procedure provided me with a close approximation of the 
good ol' Network Access Disk, but for PBs 5300/190/2300.


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Re: C compilers

[David Deckert]

>That said, if you're coding for Windows machines, you're probably sol 
>anyway, since you're going to need the windows libraries.

I thought there was a version of CodeWarrrior that could make Windows
apps, much like the full version of the Mac version of RealBasic can
make Windows apps (I realize RealBasic isn't a C compiler.)

Even so, if Windows software is what you want to create, I'd think the
whole process woule be better to do it on a PC, yes?

-David

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Re: OS installation without CD drive: SOS!

[Robert Eye]

Dan,

Great idea!  Can you list the *exact* contents of the disk(s) you made for the 5300?  
TIA!

Regards,

Bob Eye
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:54:10 -0500
From: Dan K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Idea #2) Use the Network SW Installer . . . :



to install Appletalk onto a Disk Tools floppy (use the custom install option to 
install _just_ AT.) I tried the 7.5.3 and 7.6 Disk Tools 2 disks, discard the usual 
utility pair to make enough room. You'll need to 
add the Chooser and the Appleshare Chooser extension (those bits from the NAD seem to 
work OK) to access your AS network volumes. I'm browsing volumes on my G3 DT under 
9.2.2 from my 5300 as I type this. There 
_should_ be enough room to install a enet PC card driver along with basic enet 
support, but I've not tested that yet.

The end result of the above procedure provided me with a close approximation of the 
good ol' Network Access Disk, but for PBs 5300/190/2300.


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Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive

[Bruce Johnson]

Dan Palka wrote:
> Continuing on taking apart the ThinkPad...
> 
> I pulled the 5 gig hard rive out of the ThinkPad.
> 
> I measured it it is 2.5" wide by almost 4" long and 11/16" thick.  It 
> says ATA on it.
> 
> I'm not too keen on laptop hard drives...
> 
> Will that work in the PowerBook 190cs?

Hmm...probably, though it might be too thick, that sounds like an 
17-18mm drive.

Electronically, it will work fine...Apples Drive Setup will format 
virtually any 2.5" ATA drive out there.

The 2.5 inch form factor is a set size, in terms of width and length, 
though mounting holes will vary. They do vary a bit in 
thickness...modern powerbooks are limited to 12mm or less, iirc.


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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Bruce Johnson]

David Allen wrote:
> RD is basically a Virtual Memory program that works better than Apple's. (I'm sure
> someone can jump in to explain exactly how it does this.)

With caveats.

Ram Doubler worked well up to about OS 8.1, but Apple made considerable 
improvements in VM with 8.6 and up, at which point Ram Doubler's value 
decreased considerably, especially since there are a lot of things that 
conflict with it.



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Re: C++ for Mac

[Arne Christiansen]

Sorry, wasn't being flippant, I didn't see your reply.


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Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot

[Fabian Fang]

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 03:15PM, Ken Norris (dialup) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

>I did a Google search on TravelStar 8E and 10E. The results were that the
>tech specs on these external card slot drives show that they are not
>comptible with Macs, only with PC's. They contain built-in software for
>Windows.
>
>If someone is using one of these on a Mac PB, I'd like to konow how they did
>it, please.

I believe that I first suggested such drives in previous similar threads.  I have two 
of the TravelStar 8E drives, which work on several PowerBook 3400c's with no problems. 
 I remember talking with IBM Technical Support staff just after I bought my first 
drive. They said that the drives should work with PowerBooks, but they were not in a 
position to answer specific Macintosh-related questions.  At no time did they state 
that the drives were "not compatible with Macs."  It is a simple matter of formatting 
the drives for Macs with the Apple Drive Setup or similar third-party utilities.

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Re: OS installation without CD drive: SOS!

[victoria brandon]

Dan K wrote:

> but I've already spent wy too much time futzing with this.  


Amen!  Thanks to everyone who's tried to help me out of this mudhole, but
now maybe we should all go back to saving the world or churning out great
novels or whatever else it is we do.  I downloaded a 7.5.2 disk tools image
and after getting caught up with all the not-done chores that have
accumulated over the past two days will experiment with getting the network
up and running that way (just to see what will happen), but figure that SCSI
disk mode is my ace in the whole.

With lots of gratitude,
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Re: C++ for Mac

[John Smith]

Thanks all for that VERY quick reply :-)

I'm downloading MPW now...

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On 28/2/03 10:46 AM, "Bruce Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> John Smith wrote:
>> Hello List,
>> 
>> Has anyone had any experience with C++ compilers on their Macs?? I currently
>> have to leave my beloved Apple machines in order to program on a pee cee,
>> but if anyone knows of a good C++ compiler, I may not have to keep doing
>> that... :-)
>> 
>> Thanks for your help,
>> 
>> John.
>> 
>> 
> 
> gcc, if you're running OSX...
> 
> That said, if you're coding for Windows machines, you're probably sol
> anyway, since you're going to need the windows libraries.
> 
> If you're doing just C++ gcc (under OSX) or MPW (under OS9) are good,
> free, bets.


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ThinkPad Hard Drive

[Dan Palka]

Continuing on taking apart the ThinkPad...

I pulled the 5 gig hard rive out of the ThinkPad.

I measured it it is 2.5" wide by almost 4" long and 11/16" thick.  It 
says ATA on it.

I'm not too keen on laptop hard drives...

Will that work in the PowerBook 190cs?




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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[David Allen]

RD is basically a Virtual Memory program that works better than Apple's. (I'm sure
someone can jump in to explain exactly how it does this.) It has the same
limitations with opening some apps, although others treat it as real RAM (very
slow real RAM!!!)

I'd check with people on the LEM Swap list and eBay. RAM Modules show up
occasionally. They are available from some of the Mac RAM supply houses, but are
very pricey. (I got my 48 from the LEM Swap list and my stackable 24s on eBay.)

David Allen

>
> What, exactly does RD do? I'm stuck at 48mb without VM on, and with the CF
> card providing 116 mb additional RAM. but it's too slow (it does prevent
> total hangs or crashes, though).
>
> I am trying to run Runtime Revoulution on my 1400c, and th IDE is OK 'til I
> try to pen the docs, then it slows to a snail's pace (basically unworkable)
> after that.
>
> Will RD help?
>
> Where can I get a 48mb RAM card?
>
> Ken N.


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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Malcolm Cornelius]

on 27/02/03 23:18, David Allen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Perhaps the European specs differed from the
> US specs? 

Many of my machines are ex-US

> Perhaps those modules lacking the pass through connector are
> incapable of being used in a stack at all?

YES !  if they don't have a passthru they CANT be stacked.

> I've never seen a 32 Meg with a  pass through connector, but that doesn't mean
they don't exist.

Of course they exist !  I have seen and sold many !

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Re: C++ for Mac

[Bruce Johnson]

John Smith wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> Has anyone had any experience with C++ compilers on their Macs?? I currently
> have to leave my beloved Apple machines in order to program on a pee cee,
> but if anyone knows of a good C++ compiler, I may not have to keep doing
> that... :-)
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
> John.
> 
> 

gcc, if you're running OSX...

That said, if you're coding for Windows machines, you're probably sol 
anyway, since you're going to need the windows libraries.

If you're doing just C++ gcc (under OSX) or MPW (under OS9) are good, 
free, bets.

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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[David Allen]

You must have always gotten the good modules and I the bad. I have never been
able to get 32s to stack with 16s. I also have never had a problem with the
16Meg Apple RAM and stacked 3rd party modules that others say they've always
had. There must be some real extremes in the production of the 3rd party RAM
modules, which is very un-Apple. Perhaps the European specs differed from the
US specs? Perhaps those modules lacking the pass through connector are
incapable of being used in a stack at all? I've never seen a 32 Meg with a pass
through connector, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

David Allen

>
>
> Simply not true.  I have configured many 1400 with a 16 and a 32.
>
> Some Ram module are not stackable at all, they lack a pass thru connector.
>
> I have heard of problems with certain 16 and 32 not working together,
> likewise people not being able to change the 4MB Apple card for an 8MB one.
> In the tens of 1400s I've worked on I've never seen these problems but they
> have been reported often enough on the list to suggest that some Ram modules
> are problematic.
>
> Best wishes
>
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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[David Allen]

I've tried VPC 4/ME on both of my 1400/G3s and found that it wouldn't work. I
originally assumed that it was because RD is a VM, although much quicker and more
efficient than Apple's VM. I since have heard of many people having trouble with
PBs that had Sonnet G3 upgrades refusing to run VPC.  Whichever is the cause (or
perhaps a combination of the 2?)  I haven't been able to operate VPC 4 on a 1400.
(Perhaps ME is the culprit as it is as memory hungry as 9.1. A different
Windoze/DOS version of VPC 4 might work.)  VPC 3/95 and OS 8.1 worked fine with
64 Meg and a G3.

David Allen

Brian wrote:

> >terrible buy per Meg and not worth the investment for the tiny gain. RAM
> >Doubler
> >has a better bang for the buck, allowing triple the RAM under OS 9.1, without
> >slowing them very much.
>
> I've not tried RD on my 1400 (well, ever, really, ); does the MacOS see it
> as "real" RAM or as virtual mem that just happens to work better?  Of
> course Connectix site is pretty useless for older softwares now.
>
> This might help me with getting VPC 4 to work; on my 1400/G3 with 60 RAM
> not 64, there just isn't enough "real" mem open, even with a minimal
> system, for VPC 4's different memory allocation scheme to be happy and let
> me run the program.  I have plenty of horsepower to run VPC/Win98, just
> can't get the VPC 4 to run.
>
> And which version of RD are you using with your 9.1?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian


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Re: C++ for Mac

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 2/27/03 3:30:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
Try codewarrior
>>

Right ... that's what I meant to say when I said "Codeworks".

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Re: C++ for Mac

[Arne Christiansen]

Try codewarrior


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Re: C++ for Mac

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In a message dated 2/27/03 3:20:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
I currently have to leave my beloved Apple machines in order to program on a 
pee cee, but if anyone knows of a good C++ compiler, I may not have to keep 
doing
that ... :-)
>>

1) Think
2) Codeworks
3) MPW

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Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 2/27/03 3:17:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
I've got a Travelstar 8e that I use with both my g3 powerbook and my pb3400. 
It is bootable.
>>

These drives should work in any slot that is ATA PCMCIA compatible.

Initialize using Drive Setup, modified if necessary.

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C++ for Mac

[John Smith]

Hello List,

Has anyone had any experience with C++ compilers on their Macs?? I currently
have to leave my beloved Apple machines in order to program on a pee cee,
but if anyone knows of a good C++ compiler, I may not have to keep doing
that... :-)

Thanks for your help,

John.


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Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot

[Cliff Rediger]

Ken,

I'm using one on my PB3400. Works fine. I inquired of the list as well
before buying on e-bay and got affirmatives.

I do have some extension incompatibility with (I think) ValueFax if I
try to save from the PB3400 HD to the IBM TS, especially large files.
Extensions off and No problem.

I think the IBM TS is a good value. but I think I'd go with a 25gig
next time.

HTH.
Cliff

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Ken Norris (dialup)") writes:
>From: "Ken Norris (dialup)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:15:32 -0800

>Hi List,

>I did a Google search on TravelStar 8E and 10E. The results were that
>the
>tech specs on these external card slot drives show that they are not
>comptible with Macs, only with PC's. They contain built-in software for
>Windows.

>If someone is using one of these on a Mac PB, I'd like to konow how
>they did
>it, please.

>Does anyone know of any _other_ card slot drives that will work on my PB
>1400?

>Ken N.

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Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot

[Gary D. Adams]

I've got a Travelstar 8e that I use with both my g3 powerbook and my 
pb3400. It is bootable.

Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
> Hi List,
> 
> I did a Google search on TravelStar 8E and 10E. The results were that the
> tech specs on these external card slot drives show that they are not
> comptible with Macs, only with PC's. They contain built-in software for
> Windows.
> 
> If someone is using one of these on a Mac PB, I'd like to konow how they did
> it, please.
> 
> Does anyone know of any _other_ card slot drives that will work on my PB
> 1400?
> 
> Ken N.
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

Hi List,

I did a Google search on TravelStar 8E and 10E. The results were that the
tech specs on these external card slot drives show that they are not
comptible with Macs, only with PC's. They contain built-in software for
Windows.

If someone is using one of these on a Mac PB, I'd like to konow how they did
it, please.

Does anyone know of any _other_ card slot drives that will work on my PB
1400?

Ken N.




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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Ken Norris (dialup)]

**
> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:15:27 -0800
> From: David Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

> RAM 
> Doubler
> has a better bang for the buck, allowing triple the RAM under OS 9.1, without
> slowing them very much.
--
What, exactly does RD do? I'm stuck at 48mb without VM on, and with the CF
card providing 116 mb additional RAM. but it's too slow (it does prevent
total hangs or crashes, though).

I am trying to run Runtime Revoulution on my 1400c, and th IDE is OK 'til I
try to pen the docs, then it slows to a snail's pace (basically unworkable)
after that.

Will RD help?

Where can I get a 48mb RAM card?

Ken N.


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Re: OS installation without CD drive: SOS!

[Dan K]

Drew wrote:
>> I'm sorry you couldn't make it work.  I still think you might be
>> missing a piece here or there, though (like the OpenTransport
>> extension itself - you definitely need that).

AFAIK, OS8 requires OT, which I doubt can be squeezed onto a floppy. I 
built an OS 8.1 disk but I haven't tried it yet on the 5300. If that 
works (classic networking - ie: pre-OT), one could do an entire HFS+ 
format and install (using remote disk images and utilities of course.) 
I'll write a report when I get around to trying it.

Victoria wrote:
>Howzat?  Not only is there no such thing in the 8.5 installation tome,
>there's nothing with that name (that is "OpenTransport" all by itself
>without "lib" or some other qualifier) on my 7600 running 8.6 -- and it does
>AppleTalk perfectly.  So too did the 5300 before its recent lobotomy.

Those are the OT bits to which Drew was referring I think.

Drew wrote:  
>> Or, you could do the really hard 19-part download on your 2nd Mac,
>> mount the combined image, convert it with DiskCopy into 1 big fat
>> image, segment it with DropStuff into floppy-sized chunks, copy each
>> chunk to the empty space on your 5300, expand them with Stuffit
>> Expander, mount the big fat disk image, and install away. ;-)  ... or
>> not...  heh

Uhhh Drew?, now is that the _most_ complicated way you could think of to 
do this?  I'd issue a challenge right now to _beat_ those contortions, 
but I've already spent wy too much time futzing with this.  

Dan K

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Re: AppleWorks Documents Will Not Open in CW5!

[Donn Haven Lathrop]

>>I hate AppleWorks 6 by the way - a real step backwards with candy 
coating.  But that's just my opinion.<<

And mine.

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Re: AppleWorks Documents Will Not Open in CW5!

[Brian Steere]

Bruce Johnson recently said:

> No choice. Appleworks 6 is *newer* than Clarisworks 5.04. Your only
> choice is to install AW6 on the laptop, or open them up on a system with
> AW6 and save as an older version.

Depends on the complexity of the documents but you can easily get to the
text in any kind of text file with apps like BBEdit lite or CanOpener.
You's also get some garbage.

Probably your best bet if there are a lot is to get them onto a friend's Mac
who can downsave them for you.

I hate AppleWorks 6 by the way - a real step backwards with candy coating
But that¹s just my opinion.

With all good wishes
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Re: AppleWorks Documents Will Not Open in CW5!

[Bruce Johnson]

William Hatchell wrote:
> I have a bunch of documents generated by AppleWorks 6 sometime ago on a
> defunct G3 computer and now I'm trying to use ClarisWorks 5.0.4 to open
> them on this 3400 running OS9.1 and no luck.  Get the error message
> "cannot open because this was created using an different version of CW. 
> Now, I do not want to install AW6 on this old laptop and prefer CW5 so
> what can I do?  Would MacLinkPlus be of any benefit?  Is my last resort
> to take CW5 off altogether and replace it with AppleWorks (of which I
> have a copy)?  I thought maybe the advantage of running CW5 vs.
> AppleWorks 6 was less RAM, etc.  Thanks!
> 
> 
No choice. Appleworks 6 is *newer* than Clarisworks 5.04. Your only 
choice is to install AW6 on the laptop, or open them up on a system with 
AW6 and save as an older version.

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AppleWorks Documents Will Not Open in CW5!

[William Hatchell]

I have a bunch of documents generated by AppleWorks 6 sometime ago on a
defunct G3 computer and now I'm trying to use ClarisWorks 5.0.4 to open
them on this 3400 running OS9.1 and no luck.  Get the error message
"cannot open because this was created using an different version of CW. 
Now, I do not want to install AW6 on this old laptop and prefer CW5 so
what can I do?  Would MacLinkPlus be of any benefit?  Is my last resort
to take CW5 off altogether and replace it with AppleWorks (of which I
have a copy)?  I thought maybe the advantage of running CW5 vs.
AppleWorks 6 was less RAM, etc.  Thanks!


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Re: OS installation without CD drive: SOS!

[k]

>
>
>Or, you could do the really hard 19-part download on your 2nd Mac,
>mount the combined image, convert it with DiskCopy into 1 big fat
>image, segment it with DropStuff into floppy-sized chunks, copy each
>chunk to the empty space on your 5300, expand them with Stuffit
>Expander, mount the big fat disk image, and install away. ;-)  ... or
>not...  heh
>

I just happened to have the 19-part install images on disk - and for 
fun i tried to install it on an extra hd, seems like you don't need 
to convert the first 19 parts at all, just click on the first one and 
the installer will read the images just as they are - without 
mounting or chunking, the only need to be in the same folder as each 
other the first image seems to be a special version of diskcopy,when 
you continue to upgrade to 0S 7.5.5 (that is also free) you need to 
download from the net 4 more images and they all need to be expanded 
on your hd for the upgrader to function, for this one you will need 
disk copy. Not so much work at all if the 7600 has a relatively fast 
internet connection. The install and upgrade was about 10-15 minutes 
(I cooked meanwhile aswell) and restarted !
The 19 images are 22mb all together and about 1.1mb each, the 7.5.5 
upgrade 5mbs in size, it's not too big.
kenta
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Re: wireless router recommendations - warning: long

[Clae]

>  In fact, I believe there is even a member of the Melbourne
>Wireless group on this list, though I cannot recall the name at the
>moment...

That's be me :-)




Try freenetworks.org for links to other community wireless pages.

Clae.

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Re: OS installation without CD drive: SOS!

[Andrew Kershaw]

>I tried to do this (more or less), using the 8.5 Disk Tools disk, which
>aside from unadorned 7.5 (which won't boot the 5300) was the only one I had.
>The network remained invisible. Where do you get the 7.5.3 and/or 7.6 Disk
>Tools anyway? All I could find on Apple's site, aside from the unworkable
>Network Access disk, was the abovementioned massive 19 part whole kit and
>kaboodle 7.5.x.

Well, I don't know about the 7.6 disk tools image, but the 8.1 image 
definitely is on Apple's site:


Then you could download OT 1.1.1 or 1.1.2 in disk-image sized pieces 
(actually, each piece IS a disk image - alternatively, you can do the 
"net install" download and chunk it up yourself, but this is probably 
harder):


This, if I remember correctly, was one option I had mentioned a while 
ago.  The other was for me to send you the minimal system 7.5.2 w/ 
PowerBook 5300 Enabler as a floppy image, then download OT 1.1.1 on 
top of that.  Same effect, though.

Have you tried Gamba's site at all?  I know he used to have links to 
Disk Tools images (and some rather illegitimate sources of system 7 
and OS 8).

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Re: OS installation without CD drive: SOS!

[victoria brandon]

Hi Drew - Dan - John,

Thanks for your help.  It's mostly moot since I'm expecting to get the SCSI
adapter and install that way (custom, definitely), but will save the
instructions about putting together a networkable floppy for future
reference:  after all, who knows what trouble I might get myself into in the
future?  The idea of downloading 19 disk images and converting them so as to
install 7.5.x merely in order to reactivate the network to then install 8.5
has so little appeal it would almost be better to turn the PB into a
doorstop, but fortunately such a procedure shouldn't be necessary.

Drew said:
> I'm sorry you couldn't make it work.  I still think you might be
> missing a piece here or there, though (like the OpenTransport
> extension itself - you definitely need that).

Howzat?  Not only is there no such thing in the 8.5 installation tome,
there's nothing with that name (that is "OpenTransport" all by itself
without "lib" or some other qualifier) on my 7600 running 8.6 -- and it does
AppleTalk perfectly.  So too did the 5300 before its recent lobotomy.

And:  
> Or, you could do the really hard 19-part download on your 2nd Mac,
> mount the combined image, convert it with DiskCopy into 1 big fat
> image, segment it with DropStuff into floppy-sized chunks, copy each
> chunk to the empty space on your 5300, expand them with Stuffit
> Expander, mount the big fat disk image, and install away. ;-)  ... or
> not...  heh

Exactly!  Please!

Dan suggested:
> (use the custom install
> option to install _just_ AT.) I tried the 7.5.3 and 7.6 Disk Tools 2
> disks, discard the usual utility pair to make enough room. You'll need to
> add the Chooser and the Appleshare Chooser extension (those bits from the
> NAD seem to work OK) to access your AS network volumes.

I tried to do this (more or less), using the 8.5 Disk Tools disk, which
aside from unadorned 7.5 (which won't boot the 5300) was the only one I had.
The network remained invisible.  Where do you get the 7.5.3 and/or 7.6 Disk
Tools anyway?  All I could find on Apple's site, aside from the unworkable
Network Access disk, was the abovementioned massive 19 part whole kit and
kaboodle 7.5.x.

Anyway again, thanks loads, and all will be well.

Best,
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Re: DiskCopy 6.4 download location (was Re: Help)

[KADaggett]

My Reply follows quote. On 27/02/2003 08:06 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
said:  

>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>My Reply follows quote. On 26/02/2003 20:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>said:  
>
>>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Kershaw)
>>
>>Yeah, that is strange.  The download works on my wallstreet 100% 
>>perfect, but fails every time on my PowerMac G3 (same OS, same 
>>browsers).  Wierd.  I must have my "helper applications" set 
>>differently on each or something.
>>
>>I did some more Googling for DiskCopy 6.4 and found the following...
>>
>>Click to download from this Frank Befera's iDisk:
>>>a&t%20emplatefn=FileSharing2.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.2.xml&sitefn=RootSite.x
>>ml&aff=c%20onsumer&cty=US&lang=en>
>>
>>If that doesn't work, direct download here:
>>>hex.hqx>
>>
>>Peace,
>>Drew
>-
>Interesting. Downloaded fine and the disk image of Disk Copy mounted 
>fine. When launched I get an error message something like: Disk Copy 
>could not updae the disk image driver.
>
>A puzzle. I am trying to launch it under OS9.1, 6360, 400mhz NewerTech G3 
>accelerated.
--
To answer my own "problem." I guess the problem I had was that I was 
trying to launch the new Disk Copy while the disk image was still 
mounted. the Finder was trying to launch the one from the image rather 
than the copy I had put on the hard drive.

Thanks.

Ken


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Re: DiskCopy 6.4 download location (was Re: Help)

[k]

>
>Hi Drew
>I downloaded the file that you suggested this morning and it says it is disk
>copy. The only thing is it says I don't have the correct files to use it. Do
>you have any other ideas
>Thanks
>Jim

you have to copy it to the harddrive from the smi to make it work ?
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Re: IBM/US Robotics PC Card Modem

[PeterH5322]

In a message dated 2/27/03 4:49:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
Will this thing work in the PowerBook 190cs?
>>

Yes, but you'll have to go to the USR (NOT 3Com) web site to find the 
required modem script.

You will most likely need the all-encompasing "V.90 Modems" script.

Check for the USR code, such as XJxxx6, where xxx=a sub-model code, to ensure 
that the V.90 script is the correct one. It probably is.

I've used a wide variety of USR cards in my 190s and 5300s, some branded 
"Dell" or others, but most branded "USRobotics" or "Meahertz", and all work 
very well with the "V.90 Modems" script.

These are probably the best PCMCIA modems out there.


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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[phiori]

i've not tried RD on my 1400c/G3, but I do have it on my an 040 610 machine running 
8.1 with only 8 megs of ram. It allows me to run Office, Netscape, and MacHTTP on it 
rather solidly. I think it uses some sort of RAM disk-like thing for the vm, but not 
certain.

I've had trouble with it before on a PM7200, but those machines had memory troubles 
from the get-go...

I'll pull that 8mb Apple ram card out and try to stack the 16 and 32 meg chip again 
when I get home. Would be cool to get it to work, 56 megs of RAM would help out a 
bit... every meg counts :-)


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Re: DiskCopy 6.4 download location (was Re: Help)

[KADaggett]

My Reply follows quote. On 26/02/2003 20:55 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
said:  

>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Kershaw)
>
>Yeah, that is strange.  The download works on my wallstreet 100% 
>perfect, but fails every time on my PowerMac G3 (same OS, same 
>browsers).  Wierd.  I must have my "helper applications" set 
>differently on each or something.
>
>I did some more Googling for DiskCopy 6.4 and found the following...
>
>Click to download from this Frank Befera's iDisk:
>a&t%20emplatefn=FileSharing2.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.2.xml&sitefn=RootSite.x
>ml&aff=c%20onsumer&cty=US&lang=en>
>
>If that doesn't work, direct download here:
>hex.hqx>
>
>Peace,
>Drew
-
Interesting. Downloaded fine and the disk image of Disk Copy mounted 
fine. When launched I get an error message something like: Disk Copy 
could not updae the disk image driver.

A puzzle. I am trying to launch it under OS9.1, 6360, 400mhz NewerTech G3 
accelerated.

Ken 

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Re: Help

[Andrew Kershaw]

>You are probably trying to open a UFS(?) disk created in X, and AFAIK
>there's no way to mount that type of image disk on an older system.

Really?  That's interesting.  I've never had any problem mounting 
.dmg files on my Macs...  Maybe I've just never run across one of 
these UFS ones.  I thought that the significance of .dmg was that it 
was a more highly compressed disk image instead of a NDIF .img...


Yeah, "Neener neener neener" maybe.  But I was always the kind of 
person to say "Nyah nyah nya nyah nyah" :-)

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IBM/US Robotics PC Card Modem

[Dan Palka]

I have this PCMCIA modem that I pulled out of an IBM ThinkPad that was 
just a little bit newer than the PowerBook 190cs that I bought.

It has a US Robotics logo on it, but also a very large IBM logo.

On the back it says IBM Modem FRU:  04k0054

Then theres a divider.

Then it says:

Model XJ1560

This product manufactured by U.S. Robotics Corporation.


Thres also a bar code with what I'm assuming is a serial number which 
reads:  106614|85RYS

Finally on the front it says:

Data/Fax Modem
V.34 33.6Kbps/56 Kbps with XJACK Connector..

Will this thing work in the PowerBook 190cs?




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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Brian]

>terrible buy per Meg and not worth the investment for the tiny gain. RAM
>Doubler
>has a better bang for the buck, allowing triple the RAM under OS 9.1, without
>slowing them very much.

I've not tried RD on my 1400 (well, ever, really, ); does the MacOS see it
as "real" RAM or as virtual mem that just happens to work better?  Of
course Connectix site is pretty useless for older softwares now.

This might help me with getting VPC 4 to work; on my 1400/G3 with 60 RAM
not 64, there just isn't enough "real" mem open, even with a minimal
system, for VPC 4's different memory allocation scheme to be happy and let
me run the program.  I have plenty of horsepower to run VPC/Win98, just
can't get the VPC 4 to run.

And which version of RD are you using with your 9.1?

Thanks,

Brian



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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Malcolm Cornelius]

on 27/02/03 06:42, Thad Hoffman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> anyone know what the chip between the ram and the daughter card is? Looks
> like a tiny ram card... is it?

Apple RAM card, there is only 8MB on the logic board that little card
provides a further 4 or 8 MB.

Best wishes

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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Malcolm Cornelius]

on 27/02/03 08:15, David Allen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 32 Meg modules are not stackable.

Simply not true.  I have configured many 1400 with a 16 and a 32.

Some Ram module are not stackable at all, they lack a pass thru connector.

I have heard of problems with certain 16 and 32 not working together,
likewise people not being able to change the 4MB Apple card for an 8MB one.
In the tens of 1400s I've worked on I've never seen these problems but they
have been reported often enough on the list to suggest that some Ram modules
are problematic.

Best wishes

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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[Ben Smith]

> -Original Message-
> From: PowerBooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thad
> Hoffman
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:42 AM
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> Subject: Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

> anyone know what the chip between the ram and the daughter card is? Looks
> like a tiny ram card... is it?
>
Yes, that is the 8Mb Apple ram card (the other 8Mb is soldered to the
underside of the motherboard)
Try removing it to see if your 2 cards work together, if not then your 32Mb
is not stackable.
Ben.


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Re: 1400c RAM Stacking (was Re: ATA Hard Drives/PCMCIA slot)

[David Allen]

32 Meg modules are not stackable.  24s and smaller are.  Even though the Max RAM
in that slot is 48, it must be done with either 2-24s or a single 48 module. Why?
I have no idea, but probably is something in the RAM recognition side of the
ROM.  GURU shows many combinations of the 4, 8, 16 and 24 Meg modules, but shows
the 32 Meg and  48 Meg modules as being only allowed as single units.)

You can stack the RAM that allows stacking even if you have the 16 Meg Apple
setup. (8 on the MB and 8 in the Apple expansion slot.) I have a 1400 running
that way now while my other uses a single 48 Meg, the 8 on the MB and a 4 Meg in
the Apple slot. The only problem with the stacked RAM is when attempting to use a
3rd party video card. The Apple 8 bit card can be used in the stacked module
1400, but the 16 bit 3rd party card is larger and will not allow the top RAM
module to be installed. (The 16 bit card had to be put in the 1400 with the
single 48 Meg module.)

Both have G3 upgrades,([EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) which don't interfere 
with any other
upgrades. I'd love to upgrade the 4 Meg Apple RAM module to an 8, but they are a
terrible buy per Meg and not worth the investment for the tiny gain. RAM Doubler
has a better bang for the buck, allowing triple the RAM under OS 9.1, without
slowing them very much.

David Allen


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