date:20070206

On 2/5/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We _are_ getting close, folks.


At FUDCon Boston 2007 last Friday, I got to put my hands on an OLPC
and a Pepper Linux device. The Pepper's a 7 diagonal hi-res screen
and full Linux PC in a form factor somewhere between a Etch-A-Sketch
(r) and a two-handed game player. It plays movies, too. And takes
pictures. And would do calls via VOIP. About $630 retail...

The OLPC was pretty slick, too, though intended for a different
market. Super-low power consumption, high-res bw screen (which can do
color, too).

Very promising.

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RE: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Schummer

Sounds to me like it all comes down to managed computing---how much 
influence/control do you want
the OS maker to have on your daily computing life?  Some want M$ to handle all 
of it; others don't
want anyone else's hands in the mix but their own.  There are different kinds 
of users, obviously.

Agreed Michael, but as users we all have choice over accepting and not 
accepting updates to the OS.
Same with upgrades. I just want the choice to be extended longer than what we 
get today with respect
to patches to existing operating systems moving forward. 

The reality in the business world is a machine's useful life is way longer than 
what operating
system manufacturers are supporting from a security patch perspective. The 
built in obsolescence is
not hardware, it is the OS, and it is not that the OS is not working and 
providing hardware
services, it is security patches the operating system providers are stopping.

Don't get me wrong. I believe businesses need to move along to bigger and 
better hardware and
operating systems in general, but I also know it is not always practical or 
appropriate.


Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.

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Re: [NF] A major step in the right direction - ebooks

On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Ted Roche wrote:

 At FUDCon Boston 2007 last Friday

I thought that those were only held in Redmond! ;-P

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RE: [NF] A major step in the right direction - ebooks

2007-02-06 Thread Jeff Johnson

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Ted Roche
 Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:51 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [NF] A major step in the right direction - ebooks

 On 2/5/07, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  We _are_ getting close, folks.

 At FUDCon Boston 2007 last Friday, I got to put my hands on an OLPC
 and a Pepper Linux device. The Pepper's a 7 diagonal hi-res screen
 and full Linux PC in a form factor somewhere between a Etch-A-Sketch
 (r) and a two-handed game player. It plays movies, too. And takes
 pictures. And would do calls via VOIP. About $630 retail...

For those of you familiar with Woot, they had one of these during their last
woot-off for significantly less than $630.  I don't remember the exact
price.  I was tempted but I have too many projects right now so I passed on
it.

Jeff

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Re: [NF] A major step in the right direction - ebooks

On 2/6/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  At FUDCon Boston 2007 last Friday

 I thought that those were only held in Redmond! ;-P


;) I'm sure the Fedora Users and Developers Conference organizers
never thought of that ;)

Pictures of the OLPC, the PepperPad and lotso' geeks at:

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=fudconboston2007m=text

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Re: [NF] A major step in the right direction - ebooks

On 2/6/07, Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For those of you familiar with Woot, they had one of these during their last
 woot-off for significantly less than $630.

And for those of us unfamiliar with Woot (something my dog says while
barking with his mouth full?), how much would it cost?

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RE: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

2007-02-06 Thread Bill Arnold


Several times over the years I've wagged this dog, trying to point out
that what we need is the equivalent or better of IBM's methodology for
maintaining the OS, which is called SMP. It's a database application
that generates and installs the operating system on a new machine, and
then manages not only the OS, but most of the products installed (it can
be bypassed). Typically, adding software and maintenance to the OS is
handled by the systems programmer using SMP processes to receive and
then apply the maintenance/new products to the OS. 

To accommodate SMP, IBM and many vendors package software and
maintenance in SMP's format. The systems programmer typically receives
these products and maintenance into the SMP database, and then uses SMP
to study and implement selected maintenance, thus giving the
installation control over what goes into the machine and what doesn't,
on a detailed basis. 

It also helps give vendors equal access to the OS because their products
and maintenance are handled in exactly the same way as IBM's. Learning
(and controlling) the products and maintenance installed in this fashion
is a simple matter of using SMP information and processes.

Microsoft knew about this mechanic since day 1, but chose to ignore it -
at our and the industry's great peril - and to centralize the packaging
and distribution of their OS's so end users and software vendors would
survive at MS's convenience, not the other way around (which is what SMP
can be said to accomplish).

I don't know what plans IBM has for Linux packaging/maintenance, but
if/when they retrofit it to work in this fashion, MS will either have to
catch up or be gone.


Bill


 
 Sounds to me like it all comes down to managed computing---how much 
 influence/control do you want
 the OS maker to have on your daily computing life?  Some want 
 M$ to handle all of it; others don't want anyone else's hands 
 in the mix but their own.  There are different kinds of 
 users, obviously.
 
 Agreed Michael, but as users we all have choice over 
 accepting and not accepting updates to the OS. Same with 
 upgrades. I just want the choice to be extended longer than 
 what we get today with respect to patches to existing 
 operating systems moving forward. 
 
 The reality in the business world is a machine's useful life 
 is way longer than what operating system manufacturers are 
 supporting from a security patch perspective. The built in 
 obsolescence is not hardware, it is the OS, and it is not 
 that the OS is not working and providing hardware services, 
 it is security patches the operating system providers are stopping.
 
 Don't get me wrong. I believe businesses need to move along 
 to bigger and better hardware and operating systems in 
 general, but I also know it is not always practical or appropriate.
 
 
 Rick
 White Light Computing, Inc.



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RE: [NF] A major step in the right direction - ebooks

2007-02-06 Thread Jeff Johnson

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Ted Roche
 Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:54 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [NF] A major step in the right direction - ebooks

 On 2/6/07, Jeff Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  For those of you familiar with Woot, they had one of these during their
 last
  woot-off for significantly less than $630.

 And for those of us unfamiliar with Woot (something my dog says while
 barking with his mouth full?), how much would it cost?

 --
 Ted Roche
 Ted Roche  Associates, LLC
 http://www.tedroche.com

Ted:  Woot.com has kind of a cult following.  Here is a link to the FAQ
http://www.woot.com/WhatIsWoot.aspx.  It has one item for sale each day and
when they're gone, they're gone.  A woot-off is usually a two or three day
affair where they sell an item until it is sold out and then put another
item up until it is sold out.  They have a wine site too.  

During last week's woot-off they had the pepper pad.  I could be mistaken
but I think it was about half of the number above.

Jeff  

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RE: Buffer overruns stuff

The problem predates SetMemory(), there are no other api calls. This is
XP pro. I haven't tested the difference between app's vs exe's. I'm
using apps for now, but a standalone exe is in the near future. I'll try
to see if there's a particular place or routine that blows up today, but
I don't think so.

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On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Buffer overrins  stuff

No, it isn't a native VFP error. VFP is written in MS c++ so 
 the undelying libraries have MS c++ error messages. When a pointer 
 references a memory location outside of the space allocated for vfp, 
 c++ generates this error. It's a boiler plate message; it never 
 changes and it never gives any additional information.

Yes-- I'm primarily making sure it's created by the VFP process and not
something you're observing through a c++ debugger you've attached to the
process or anything.


No flls or api calls in the app.

You are using API calls in Ed's setmemory.prg. What O/S are you running
under? interpretted and/or compiled?

Have you commented Ed's setmemory.prg to see if that's causing the
issue? I'm curious, considering you're bringing it up-- unless it's the
cause, it shouldn't matter-- a buffer over-run is an error in code and
shouldn't be related to available memory whatsoever.

Have you been able to narrow it down to any part of your code? I've had
many VFP functions with known buffer overrun problems, such as
TEXTMERGE() in VFP7. There was a work-around then that you can pass the
string with a chr(0) at the end(effectively zero-terminating the
c++ buffer properly). I wrote simple Z() and NZ() functions for this
purpose-- adding and removing the trailing nulls..


--
Derek


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[OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

- - -

It's nearly impossible to have a rational debate with anybody about  
this anymore.  Personally I don't see any point (and never did see  
any point) in denying a warming trend lately; but to jump from that  
point of common ground to Ceterum Censeo about its cause and needed  
measures to reverse it (assuming such a thing is even in our power  
short of inducing nuclear winter, let alone necessary) is to make a  
big, huge, monster leap of faith (actually, of two orders of  
magnitude) based on propositions that are hardly proven and facts  
that are statistically insufficient to prove them.

As with the middle east conflict, all sense of proportion and  
historical perspective is lost. And so it goes. It is politically  
expedient to embrace the farce. I'm becoming increasingly anti- 
political, not just apolitical, as I grow older, and (hopefully)  
wiser. I don't want to slip into nihilism, but it's hard to take  
anybody seriously anymore.

It's hard to avoid the sense that 'global warming' is just a scare  
tactic for the old left to regain its political footing and put our  
wallets on the table for demagogues to snatch. Meanwhile the real  
menace, radical Islam, gets a morale booster courtesy of our  
Congress, rushing into the military equivalent of Kyoto with their  
insane seppuku posturing on Iraq.

Oh well. As with every disaster, natural or man-made: And this too  
shall pass.

- Bob


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To flush or not to flush, that is the question

2007-02-06 Thread Graham Brown \(CompSYS\)

Hi all

I've got a weird problem whereby I get duplicate invoice numbers in a vfp6
native app. Does a tableupdate issue a flush at the same time? It has just
duplicated  today for the second time in about a year.

I'm in the process of upgrading this one to VFP8/CAa  SQLServer so
hopefully not a problem soon (Will post some interesting stuff on this one
when I've got my head round it myself!)

Cheers
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Any Conferences to attend this year?

2007-02-06 Thread Tracy Pearson

My boss just saw DevCon is announced, without much word on speakers.
Anybody have whispers of another?

Thanks,
Tracy




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RE: Any Conferences to attend this year?

2007-02-06 Thread Kevin Ragsdale

Tracy Pearson wrote:

 My boss just saw DevCon is announced, without much word on speakers.
 Anybody have whispers of another?


The speakers I know of for DevCon are Doug Hennig, Rick Schummer, Tamor
Granor, and (*gulp*) me.

I'm assuming there will be a Southwest Fox 2007, and *hoping* for a
FoxForward 2007. 

Kevin



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RE: Any Conferences to attend this year?

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Schummer

There is definitely going to be a Southwest Fox 2007, details coming soon. 
German DevCon for the
next eight years is posted on the Fox Wiki. Prague is being planned, although I 
don't have absolute
date knowledge at this time.

Advisor Speakers so far are:
Tamar Granor
Doug Hennig
Rick Schummer
Craig Berntson
Kevin Ragsdale
Claudio Lassala
yag


Rick
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586.254.2539 - fax
  


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Pearson
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Any Conferences to attend this year?

My boss just saw DevCon is announced, without much word on speakers.
Anybody have whispers of another?

Thanks,
Tracy




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Re: Any Conferences to attend this year?

2007-02-06 Thread Kevin Cully

I'm working on putting together the FoxForward estimate of expenses
right now.  I've got some feelers out for sponsorship interest.  This
greatly affects the price of the conference.

-Kevin

Rick Schummer wrote:
 There is definitely going to be a Southwest Fox 2007, details coming soon. 
 German DevCon for the
 next eight years is posted on the Fox Wiki. Prague is being planned, although 
 I don't have absolute
 date knowledge at this time.
 
 Advisor Speakers so far are:
 Tamar Granor
 Doug Hennig
 Rick Schummer
 Craig Berntson
 Kevin Ragsdale
 Claudio Lassala
 yag
 
 
 Rick
 White Light Computing, Inc.
 
 www.whitelightcomputing.com
 www.rickschummer.com
 586.254.2530 - office
 586.254.2539 - fax
   
 
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:56 AM
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 Subject: Any Conferences to attend this year?
 
 My boss just saw DevCon is announced, without much word on speakers.
 Anybody have whispers of another?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Below is an article form the Washington Post Bob for your education on
global warming: In particular you should click on the link towards the
bottom for the IPCC's report, which is in pdf format.

#--

Science: Global Climate Report

Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, February 5, 2007; 12:00 PM

There is no longer any reasonable doubt that human activities are
warming the planet at a dangerous rate, according to a new worldwide
assessment of climate science released by the authoritative
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

With at least 90 percent certainty, the IPCC's Summary For
Policymakers concludes human-generated greenhouse gases account for
most of the global rise in temperatures over the past half century.
Hundreds of scientists from 113 countries prepared the report, which
represents the most comprehensive overview of scientific climate
research since 2001.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/climate_report_020207.pdf

http://tinyurl.com/2kqdrg

Link to the Washington Post article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/02/02/DI2007020200882.html?referrer=email

http://tinyurl.com/2uvvvb

Regards,

LelandJ

Robert Calco wrote:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

- - -

It's nearly impossible to have a rational debate with anybody about
this anymore. Personally I don't see any point (and never did see
any point) in denying a warming trend lately; but to jump from that
point of common ground to Ceterum Censeo about its cause and needed
measures to reverse it (assuming such a thing is even in our power
short of inducing nuclear winter, let alone necessary) is to make a
big, huge, monster leap of faith (actually, of two orders of
magnitude) based on propositions that are hardly proven and facts
that are statistically insufficient to prove them.

As with the middle east conflict, all sense of proportion and
historical perspective is lost. And so it goes. It is politically
expedient to embrace the farce. I'm becoming increasingly anti-
political, not just apolitical, as I grow older, and (hopefully)
wiser. I don't want to slip into nihilism, but it's hard to take
anybody seriously anymore.

It's hard to avoid the sense that 'global warming' is just a scare
tactic for the old left to regain its political footing and put our
wallets on the table for demagogues to snatch. Meanwhile the real
menace, radical Islam, gets a morale booster courtesy of our
Congress, rushing into the military equivalent of Kyoto with their
insane seppuku posturing on Iraq.

Oh well. As with every disaster, natural or man-made: And this too
shall pass.

- Bob

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Re: Buffer overruns stuff

2007-02-06 Thread Derek Kalweit

 The problem predates SetMemory(), there are no other api calls. This is
 XP pro. I haven't tested the difference between app's vs exe's. I'm
 using apps for now, but a standalone exe is in the near future. I'll try
 to see if there's a particular place or routine that blows up today, but
 I don't think so.

Your OP indicated that you may have just upgraded to a dual-core CPU--
is that correct? That would indicate a potential
synchronization/multi-threading bug that hasn't presented itself until
the system actually could have synchronous threads.

Do you have the most recent updates for Windows XP?

Running the most recent VFP service pack? What version of VFP?

You also mention SQL connections-- is this MSSQL? What version? I'm
trusting you're using VFP's ODBC-based support for MySQL, or are you
using ADO?


-- 
Derek


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RE: Buffer overruns stuff

Yep, dual core, although I've had the problem on my single processor
laptop. XP is up to date as is VFP (9/sp1). Yes, it's MSSQL, but the
driver isn't the problem since the manager for whom I'm developing the
project won't allow me to see the connection code/string. Accordingly,
I've copied all the data to my local hd  have tested from there. Still
had the problem (although to as often).

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Buffer overruns  stuff

 The problem predates SetMemory(), there are no other api calls. This 
 is XP pro. I haven't tested the difference between app's vs exe's. I'm

 using apps for now, but a standalone exe is in the near future. I'll 
 try to see if there's a particular place or routine that blows up 
 today, but I don't think so.

Your OP indicated that you may have just upgraded to a dual-core CPU--
is that correct? That would indicate a potential
synchronization/multi-threading bug that hasn't presented itself until
the system actually could have synchronous threads.

Do you have the most recent updates for Windows XP?

Running the most recent VFP service pack? What version of VFP?

You also mention SQL connections-- is this MSSQL? What version? I'm
trusting you're using VFP's ODBC-based support for MySQL, or are you
using ADO?


--
Derek


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RE: [WEB] Storing code in tables

2007-02-06 Thread Fletcher Johnson

Ken,

Anything that is done differently than the way you do it is wrong.  If it was
right, then you would be doing it that way.

In some cases, we see the benefit and then adjust our style.  But, more often,
it is easier for our approach to be right.

I can argue this either way.  Certainly, if the code is in a table, it is
subject to modification (potentially malicious), is not easy to control (via
current source control approaches), and can create some very difficult to track
problems (since you may not realize that the code is being called from the wrong
record than you expect.)  I can go on, but you get the idea.

On the other hand, you get all the benefits from such an approach.  But, as has
been mentioned, you have lived with this approach and are comfortable with it.
Also, you have the benefits of macro expansion () and ExecScript() - both of
which were unavailable in most languages - at least until recently.  The ability
to use these two options makes using a table viable and the lack makes it
impractical.

Anyway, my thought on the matter is simple.  Does this approach allow you to
create code that works better and/or faster than the code written the right
way?

I remember the first application I saw by Ken Levy.  It was for the CHP (as I
recall).  What made it so cool is that he used all the controls the wrong way.
He was able to implement drag and drop in Fox 2.x by using windows that looked
like buttons, etc.  The fact that it was not the correct way to right code did
not stop him from creating a killer app that could not have been written
otherwise.

Anyway, just my 2 cents on this topic (hey, why is there a $ on the keyboard,
but no cents symbol?)

Fletcher

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:49 AM
To: Profox
Subject: [WEB] Storing code in tables

Hey - --  -

Since I see y'all chatting...

I am working on my framework for designing Web applications using PHP, and in
this case, MySQL. One of the goals I have had for a long time in my development
(in any language) is to keep things flexible by putting lots of stuff in tables.
This includes metadata tables which specify ordinary validation rules:
mandatory?, typical formats, encrypted?, stuff like that. The typical ones
result in a function call to a utility object embedded in a data object:
IsValidFormat (string,Telephone), for example. For exceptional validation,
this includes a field for a bit-o'-code for custom validation or table- level
validation.

Also, for the same flexibility reason, my framework design keeps page- related
information, including display code in a table, too. This is never core code
like login validation or data object definitions, only again, function calls to
data and UI objects. All of the class definition code is kept in files, not
tables, off of the Web tree.

When I posted a question related to this strategy in a PHP group, I got an
individual who said that this strategy is very dangerous, and (in so many words)
I'm an idiot for even contemplating it. Mind you, he only knew the code in
tables part, without the level of detail above. I subsequently supplied it, but
so far without response.

Whadaya think? Is this an ill-conceived strategy?

Ken


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RE: Buffer overruns stuff

2007-02-06 Thread Fletcher Johnson

Lew,

I was using a dual core cpu based XP system to work with an MS SQL database.
Using both remote views as well as SQL pass-through, I did not encounter this
problem.  The application is in use at locations throughout the U.S. again
without such a problem (although I doubt these installations are using similar
cpus)

I can offer you two ideas.

1) Try the basic approach of narrowing down the code to the fewest number of
lines that still reproduce the problem.  Just doing this often identifies it.
But if not, post that code and we can test it on our computers.  Unfortunately,
mine is in the shop until 2-20 so I hope others here can help you before then.

2) Does this happen when you are stepping through the code or only during run
time when the debugger is not active? If the latter, I have a debugging tool
that might still help you identify the problem, should you be so interested.

Take care 

Fletcher

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Lew Schwartz
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:34 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Buffer overruns  stuff

The problem predates SetMemory(), there are no other api calls. This is XP pro.
I haven't tested the difference between app's vs exe's. I'm using apps for now,
but a standalone exe is in the near future. I'll try to see if there's a
particular place or routine that blows up today, but I don't think so.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Buffer overrins  stuff

No, it isn't a native VFP error. VFP is written in MS c++ so 
 the undelying libraries have MS c++ error messages. When a pointer 
 references a memory location outside of the space allocated for vfp,
 c++ generates this error. It's a boiler plate message; it never
 changes and it never gives any additional information.

Yes-- I'm primarily making sure it's created by the VFP process and not
something you're observing through a c++ debugger you've attached to the
process or anything.


No flls or api calls in the app.

You are using API calls in Ed's setmemory.prg. What O/S are you running
under? interpretted and/or compiled?

Have you commented Ed's setmemory.prg to see if that's causing the
issue? I'm curious, considering you're bringing it up-- unless it's the
cause, it shouldn't matter-- a buffer over-run is an error in code and
shouldn't be related to available memory whatsoever.

Have you been able to narrow it down to any part of your code? I've had
many VFP functions with known buffer overrun problems, such as
TEXTMERGE() in VFP7. There was a work-around then that you can pass the
string with a chr(0) at the end(effectively zero-terminating the
c++ buffer properly). I wrote simple Z() and NZ() functions for this
purpose-- adding and removing the trailing nulls..


--
Derek


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RE: Buffer overruns stuff

Thanks, Fletcher. Since it never occurs in the same place twice, I can't
narrow down to a reproducable error. I have removed dbc events, changed
my on error from on error createobject(errorhandler) to the old
fashioned on error do ...  and threw in a sys(1104). Today, so far, no
explosions.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Fletcher Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Buffer overruns  stuff

Lew,

I was using a dual core cpu based XP system to work with an MS SQL
database.
Using both remote views as well as SQL pass-through, I did not encounter
this problem.  The application is in use at locations throughout the
U.S. again without such a problem (although I doubt these installations
are using similar
cpus)

I can offer you two ideas.

1) Try the basic approach of narrowing down the code to the fewest
number of lines that still reproduce the problem.  Just doing this often
identifies it.
But if not, post that code and we can test it on our computers.
Unfortunately, mine is in the shop until 2-20 so I hope others here can
help you before then.

2) Does this happen when you are stepping through the code or only
during run time when the debugger is not active? If the latter, I have a
debugging tool that might still help you identify the problem, should
you be so interested.

Take care 

Fletcher

Fletcher Johnson
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501-421-9629 - Fax 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lew Schwartz
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:34 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Buffer overruns  stuff

The problem predates SetMemory(), there are no other api calls. This is
XP pro.
I haven't tested the difference between app's vs exe's. I'm using apps
for now, but a standalone exe is in the near future. I'll try to see if
there's a particular place or routine that blows up today, but I don't
think so.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Buffer overrins  stuff

No, it isn't a native VFP error. VFP is written in MS c++ so 
 the undelying libraries have MS c++ error messages. When a pointer 
 references a memory location outside of the space allocated for vfp,
 c++ generates this error. It's a boiler plate message; it never
 changes and it never gives any additional information.

Yes-- I'm primarily making sure it's created by the VFP process and not
something you're observing through a c++ debugger you've attached to the
process or anything.


No flls or api calls in the app.

You are using API calls in Ed's setmemory.prg. What O/S are you running
under? interpretted and/or compiled?

Have you commented Ed's setmemory.prg to see if that's causing the
issue? I'm curious, considering you're bringing it up-- unless it's the
cause, it shouldn't matter-- a buffer over-run is an error in code and
shouldn't be related to available memory whatsoever.

Have you been able to narrow it down to any part of your code? I've had
many VFP functions with known buffer overrun problems, such as
TEXTMERGE() in VFP7. There was a work-around then that you can pass the
string with a chr(0) at the end(effectively zero-terminating the
c++ buffer properly). I wrote simple Z() and NZ() functions for this
purpose-- adding and removing the trailing nulls..


--
Derek


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Re: Any Conferences to attend this year?

2007-02-06 Thread MB Software Solutions

Kevin Cully wrote:
 I'm working on putting together the FoxForward estimate of expenses
 right now.  I've got some feelers out for sponsorship interest.  This
 greatly affects the price of the conference.

 -Kevin
   

Seriously, Kevintry to set up a PayPal (or similar) link.  I don't 
know how or I'd do it, but if anyone else knows how, that'd be a help 
for FoxForward too.  Kevin shouldn't have to shoulder ALL of the 
responsibility if we can help him!

-- 
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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Leland (my friend):

I read the IPCC's report. I was unimpressed. Frankly, it reeks of  
left-wing politics. From notes on page 18:

B1... The emphasis is on global solutions to economic, social and  
environmental sustainability, including improved equity, but without  
additional climate initiatives.

B2... While the scenario is also oriented towards environmental  
protection and social equity, it focuses on local and regional levels.

economic, social, and environmental sustainability...improved  
equity...social equity... This is science? Please.  It's the same  
visceral reaction you and others have to supposedly objective reports  
with words like freedom and individual responsibility and  
liberty in them. ;)

All this is at bottom is an attempt to use half-clever statistical  
ruses and scientific-sounding speculation to make a particular  
political platform look like the solution to an imagined boogeyman.  
It's neither a new technique nor a particularly hard one to decipher.  
The left has simply got the political football after a fumble, and  
are pushing hard for the goal line now, is all.

Like I said, I do not deny the warming trend (A truth that's told  
with bad intent, beats any lie you can invent.). But I'm not sold on  
the science behind the theory involving CO2 levels, and I am  
alarmed at the tendency to group think these kinds of propaganda  
pushes entail. Just looking back over history indicates many periods  
of dramatic warming (and cooling) without any input from man. I'm not  
saying we aren't a factor; i'm not even saying we aren't a big factor  
(esp now that countries like India and China have billions of people  
(and millions of cows, who by the way emit more greenhouse gasses  
than cars)), but I note that the allegedly hard science behind this  
is skewed by having only a handful of decades of more-or-less  
consistent data. Taking a wider view, we can expect things to even  
out. Why, for that matter, it's almost a certainty at some point  
we'll suffer another extinction event. So what? Such is life in a  
universe where life is very, very rare.

At the end of the day, if this is all the evidence we have to go on  
in making huge decisions affecting millions if not billions of  
people's livelihoods, then I suggest we recall the last time almost  
everyone agreed that the intelligence pointed to a gathering, if not  
immanent threat...

So I guess all you global warming people now agree with the policy of  
pre-emption as long as it's promoted by the UN and aimed at the US  
economy, eh?

Too funny.

Personal
BTW, how have you been, Leland? Hope you are well. I've been drowned  
in work and in an effort to improve my situation, I'm taking a new  
job at the end of this month with ostensibly more humane hours. The  
position will be Domain Architect in charge of Application Design   
Frameworks at Publix IS in Lakeland, FL. I might even get to see my  
kids once in a while...
/Personal

;)

- Bob

On Feb 6, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

 Below is an article form the Washington Post Bob for your education on
 global warming: In particular you should click on the link towards the
 bottom for the IPCC's report, which is in pdf format.

 #--


   Science: Global Climate Report

 Juliet Eilperin
 Washington Post Staff Writer
 Monday, February 5, 2007; 12:00 PM

 There is no longer any reasonable doubt that human activities are
 warming the planet at a dangerous rate, according to a new worldwide
 assessment of climate science released by the authoritative
 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

 With at least 90 percent certainty, the IPCC's Summary For
 Policymakers concludes human-generated greenhouse gases account for
 most of the global rise in temperatures over the past half century.
 Hundreds of scientists from 113 countries prepared the report, which
 represents the most comprehensive overview of scientific climate
 research since 2001.

 http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/ 
 climate_report_020207.pdf

 or

 http://tinyurl.com/2kqdrg

 Link to the Washington Post article:

 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/02/02/ 
 DI2007020200882.html?referrer=email

 or

 http://tinyurl.com/2uvvvb

 Regards,

 LelandJ


 Robert Calco wrote:
 http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

 - - -

 It's nearly impossible to have a rational debate with anybody about
 this anymore.  Personally I don't see any point (and never did see
 any point) in denying a warming trend lately; but to jump from that
 point of common ground to Ceterum Censeo about its cause and needed
 measures to reverse it (assuming such a thing is even in our power
 short of inducing nuclear winter, let alone necessary) is to make a
 big, huge, monster leap of faith (actually, of two orders of
 magnitude) based on propositions that are hardly proven and facts
 that are

RE: To flush or not to flush, that is the question

2007-02-06 Thread John Weller

How are you generating the invoice numbers - from a table holding the next
number?  I had a problem like this generating primary keys using a next
number table on a couple of apps.  It be-devilled us for years, I couldn't
find what was causing it as it seemed to be intermittent - it only went away
when I upgraded and started using auto incrementing fields.

Why upgrade to VFP 8, why not VFP 9?

John Weller
01380 723235
07976 393631



 I've got a weird problem whereby I get duplicate invoice numbers in a vfp6
 native app. Does a tableupdate issue a flush at the same time? It has just
 duplicated  today for the second time in about a year.





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[OT] O'Reilly blasts traitor Bill Arkin

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jv-s1vfvQTQ

It's about time to boycott General Electric and NBC.

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Re: Any Conferences to attend this year?

2007-02-06 Thread john.harvey

All u have to do is create an acct, then follow the instructions for copy and 
paste of the html/jscript.

Of course, you are welcome to test it by sending me some money via paypal


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RE: Buffer overruns stuff

2007-02-06 Thread Sales Info

Lew,

I have several VFP applications that have been running non-stop for
years. Every time a new release of VFP comes out, I've recompiled and
re-installed without problem.

One suggestion: You might try sprinkling some ...

strtofile( timestamp, global counter and some diagnostics or code
location, myapp.log, .T. )

throughout your code to see where you code is failing. When your system
fails, review the log and see if there's a pattern.

Malcolm


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Re: Any Conferences to attend this year?

2007-02-06 Thread Kevin Cully

I appreciate that offer.  I'm still pondering and crunching numbers.
It's hard to come up with a scenario where the conference just barely
turns a profit.

MB Software Solutions wrote:
 Kevin Cully wrote:
 I'm working on putting together the FoxForward estimate of expenses
 right now.  I've got some feelers out for sponsorship interest.  This
 greatly affects the price of the conference.

 -Kevin
   
 
 Seriously, Kevintry to set up a PayPal (or similar) link.  I don't 
 know how or I'd do it, but if anyone else knows how, that'd be a help 
 for FoxForward too.  Kevin shouldn't have to shoulder ALL of the 
 responsibility if we can help him!
 



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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?


On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:

 On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:23 PM, David Crooks wrote:

 How can anyone prove that???  Did they have the same thermometers 200
 years ago that are in use today???  There is no way!!!

 Some global warming.

 I agree. I was cold in Albany, NY 200 years ago and guess what?   
 It is
 still cold in Albany, NY. LOL!

   I love how some people only read half of something. They see a term
 such as global warming and completely miss the 'global' part of it.
 Sort of like the same brilliant minds who read the 2nd Amendment as
 guaranteeing the unfettered right to keep and bear arms, completely
 missing the well-regulated militia part.

Or how some people read the whole part of something, entirely out of  
context.

The purpose of the 'well-regulated militia' was to protect the people  
from an oppressive government, and was not intended to establish a  
particular well-regulated militia, as some seem curiously to argue.  
Rather, by making the right to keep and bear arms universal to all  
citizens in the Bill of Rights, and not just to some special  
militia class, this formulation allowed for the people to self- 
organize into well-regulated militia as needed to defend themselves  
from tyranny. In general, our founders were into self- 
regulation (particularly of the small-r republican variety), not  
nanny government.

The enhancements to the federal power and consolidation under a  
single federal government under the Constitution was an economic  
necessity. Nevertheless, the founders still saw fit to guarantee each  
state in the union a republican form of government, and each  
citizen a right to keep and bear arms. They hardly envisioned the  
federal government confiscating guns from everyone except the police  
or army. Maybe one or two of them thought that was a good idea (after  
all, they did discuss the various alternatives, and even my hero  
Hamilton had a brain fart about re-establishing monarchy), but the  
consensus was to state explicitly a right to keep an bear arms to  
all, and the reason sited was not just so the government could  
regulate some once and future national guard or whatever, but rather  
because an oppressive government could only be countered by a people  
armed to defend themselves.

Context Ed is just as important as the precise wording of a phrase.

- Bob


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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

If he hates the bearing of arms, he's really going to
hate the anti-abortion amendment.




--- Robert Calco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
 
  On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:23 PM, David Crooks wrote:
 
  How can anyone prove that???  Did they have the
 same thermometers 200
  years ago that are in use today???  There is no
 way!!!
 
  Some global warming.
 
  I agree. I was cold in Albany, NY 200 years ago
 and guess what?   
  It is
  still cold in Albany, NY. LOL!
 
  I love how some people only read half of
 something. They see a term
  such as global warming and completely miss the
 'global' part of it.
  Sort of like the same brilliant minds who read the
 2nd Amendment as
  guaranteeing the unfettered right to keep and bear
 arms, completely
  missing the well-regulated militia part.
 
 Or how some people read the whole part of something,
 entirely out of  
 context.
 
 The purpose of the 'well-regulated militia' was to
 protect the people  
 from an oppressive government, and was not intended
 to establish a  
 particular well-regulated militia, as some seem
 curiously to argue.  
 Rather, by making the right to keep and bear arms
 universal to all  
 citizens in the Bill of Rights, and not just to some
 special  
 militia class, this formulation allowed for the
 people to self- 
 organize into well-regulated militia as needed to
 defend themselves  
 from tyranny. In general, our founders were into
 self- 
 regulation (particularly of the small-r
 republican variety), not  
 nanny government.
 
 The enhancements to the federal power and
 consolidation under a  
 single federal government under the Constitution was
 an economic  
 necessity. Nevertheless, the founders still saw fit
 to guarantee each  
 state in the union a republican form of
 government, and each  
 citizen a right to keep and bear arms. They hardly
 envisioned the  
 federal government confiscating guns from everyone
 except the police  
 or army. Maybe one or two of them thought that was a
 good idea (after  
 all, they did discuss the various alternatives, and
 even my hero  
 Hamilton had a brain fart about re-establishing
 monarchy), but the  
 consensus was to state explicitly a right to keep an
 bear arms to  
 all, and the reason sited was not just so the
 government could  
 regulate some once and future national guard or
 whatever, but rather  
 because an oppressive government could only be
 countered by a people  
 armed to defend themselves.
 
 Context Ed is just as important as the precise
 wording of a phrase.
 
 - Bob
 
 
  -- Ed Leafe
  -- http://leafe.com
  -- http://dabodev.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

2007-02-06 Thread john.harvey


   I love how some people only read half of something. They see a term  
such as global warming and completely miss the 'global' part of it.  
Sort of like the same brilliant minds who read the 2nd Amendment as  
guaranteeing the unfettered right to keep and bear arms, completely  
missing the well-regulated militia part.

-- Ed Leafe

you know the militia was comprised of ordinary citizens. It wasn't a standing 
army that they worried about having gunss.


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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

I hear people are freezing to death from the Global
Warming.



--- David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:15 PM Michael
 Madigan wrote:
 
 The American city that has taken the most
 consistant temperature
 readings over the last 200 
 years is Albany NY.  The average temperature for
 Albany is exactly the
 same as it was 200 years ago.
 
 How can anyone prove that???  Did they have the same
 thermometers 200
 years ago that are in use today???  There is no
 way!!!
 
 Some global warming.
 
 I agree. I was cold in Albany, NY 200 years ago and
 guess what?  It is
 still cold in Albany, NY. LOL!
 
 David L. Crooks
 
 
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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you know the militia was comprised of ordinary citizens. It wasn't  
 a standing
 army that they worried about having gunss.

Exactly. There were militias, and there were 'well-regulated  
militias'. Their main job was to ensure the peace locally, as opposed  
to standing armies, who were only supposed to fight foreign forces.  
The goal was to be able to guarantee that such local militias would  
never be disarmed by a leader who wanted to use the army to tyrannize  
the country.

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[NF] Web code safety, was Storing code in tables

2007-02-06 Thread Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh


On Feb 6, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Fletcher Johnson wrote:

 Certainly, if the code is in a table, it is
 subject to modification (potentially malicious),

Thank you for your thoughts, Fletcher.

Regardless of my application construction, this is something that I  
am wondering about. Maybe somebody can help me understand. It may  
seem hopelessly naive, but from my reading, it seems like:

1. If your data are off of the web tree, and
2. You have robust protection against SQL injection

Your data should be protected. Am I wrong? How else would anyone get  
to your data?

Similarly, if you don't have any SQL in code that is in your Web tree  
that should be *relatively* safe. All data in user-interface is  
called data object functions, and those are off of the web tree, too.

Again, am I wrong, or is this understanding too simplistic?

Ken


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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

I'm doing well, and it good to see you're still full of vim and vinegar 
and spunky as ever. I hope your new position work out for you.

The evidence of global warming is mounting and becoming undeniable. 
Change in climate and temperature have been occurring since the 
beginning, but until recently the changes occurred over hundreds of 
thousands, even millions of year. In the past the changes to climate and 
temperatures were so subtle and slow, that life on the planet was able 
to adapt through evolution as the changes occurred.

There have also been some abrupt changes in the past that devastated 
life on earth like earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunami, strikes by asteroid, 
but hopefully nothing on such a catastrophic level is in the cards for 
our planet anytime soon. Catastrophic events of the past not only 
devastated the planet of themselves, but also recked havoc in the 
changes they made to the environment, which likely lasted long periods 
before the planet regained her delicate balance.

The climate changes taking place now are occurring on a decade by decade 
basis with predictions of extraordinary change levels over the short 
period of 100 years. Our planet cannot tolerate this level of abuse. We 
must immediately begin reversing the causes of global warming.

We should begin:

1) Control population growth so as not to trample the necessary plants, 
vegetables, forest, open plains, tropical jungles, etc that are 
absolutely necessary to a healthy planet full of all the diverse 
ecological system supported.

2) Find energy sources that do not damage the environment, or even 
cooperated to benefit the environment, like wind energy, energy from the 
tides and currents of the sea, solar energy, biofuel energy, thermal 
energy, nuclear energy.

3) Educate the world to the threat of climate changes, so that every 
government around the world builds a society around economic, political, 
and social systems that protect the health and welfare of our planet.


Regards,

LelandJ

Robert Calco wrote:
 Leland (my friend):

 I read the IPCC's report. I was unimpressed. Frankly, it reeks of  
 left-wing politics. From notes on page 18:

 B1... The emphasis is on global solutions to economic, social and  
 environmental sustainability, including improved equity, but without  
 additional climate initiatives.

 B2... While the scenario is also oriented towards environmental  
 protection and social equity, it focuses on local and regional levels.

 economic, social, and environmental sustainability...improved  
 equity...social equity... This is science? Please.  It's the same  
 visceral reaction you and others have to supposedly objective reports  
 with words like freedom and individual responsibility and  
 liberty in them. ;)

 All this is at bottom is an attempt to use half-clever statistical  
 ruses and scientific-sounding speculation to make a particular  
 political platform look like the solution to an imagined boogeyman.  
 It's neither a new technique nor a particularly hard one to decipher.  
 The left has simply got the political football after a fumble, and  
 are pushing hard for the goal line now, is all.

 Like I said, I do not deny the warming trend (A truth that's told  
 with bad intent, beats any lie you can invent.). But I'm not sold on  
 the science behind the theory involving CO2 levels, and I am  
 alarmed at the tendency to group think these kinds of propaganda  
 pushes entail. Just looking back over history indicates many periods  
 of dramatic warming (and cooling) without any input from man. I'm not  
 saying we aren't a factor; i'm not even saying we aren't a big factor  
 (esp now that countries like India and China have billions of people  
 (and millions of cows, who by the way emit more greenhouse gasses  
 than cars)), but I note that the allegedly hard science behind this  
 is skewed by having only a handful of decades of more-or-less  
 consistent data. Taking a wider view, we can expect things to even  
 out. Why, for that matter, it's almost a certainty at some point  
 we'll suffer another extinction event. So what? Such is life in a  
 universe where life is very, very rare.

 At the end of the day, if this is all the evidence we have to go on  
 in making huge decisions affecting millions if not billions of  
 people's livelihoods, then I suggest we recall the last time almost  
 everyone agreed that the intelligence pointed to a gathering, if not  
 immanent threat...

 So I guess all you global warming people now agree with the policy of  
 pre-emption as long as it's promoted by the UN and aimed at the US  
 economy, eh?

 Too funny.

 Personal
 BTW, how have you been, Leland? Hope you are well. I've been drowned  
 in work and in an effort to improve my situation, I'm taking a new  
 job at the end of this month with ostensibly more humane hours. The  
 position will be Domain Architect in charge of Application Design   
 Frameworks at Publix IS in

Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Getting back to the subject at hand: The 'global warming' crowd is  
supposedly using the same statistical 'science' that predicted the  
2006 hurricane season would all-but-certainly be a 'more active than  
usual' season---completely failing to foresee the El Nino that  
developed and the impact of Saharan dust in the Atlantic Basin.

We can't trust next week's (let alone next year's) weather forecast;  
and these geniuses pretend to know that A.) Atypical 'global warming'  
is unquestionably happening; B.) It's caused almost certainly by  
humans; and C.) Kyoto and other economic suicide pacts will  
definitely reverse it, but only if we act fast, while supplies last.

Science me arse. It's a sales pitch, just not for the merchandize you  
see in the window...

They give themselves away with all that semi-subliminal blather about  
social equity in their scientific report...

- Bob

On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:

 If he hates the bearing of arms, he's really going to
 hate the anti-abortion amendment.




 --- Robert Calco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:

 On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:23 PM, David Crooks wrote:

 How can anyone prove that???  Did they have the
 same thermometers 200
 years ago that are in use today???  There is no
 way!!!

 Some global warming.

 I agree. I was cold in Albany, NY 200 years ago
 and guess what?
 It is
 still cold in Albany, NY. LOL!

 I love how some people only read half of
 something. They see a term
 such as global warming and completely miss the
 'global' part of it.
 Sort of like the same brilliant minds who read the
 2nd Amendment as
 guaranteeing the unfettered right to keep and bear
 arms, completely
 missing the well-regulated militia part.

 Or how some people read the whole part of something,
 entirely out of
 context.

 The purpose of the 'well-regulated militia' was to
 protect the people
 from an oppressive government, and was not intended
 to establish a
 particular well-regulated militia, as some seem
 curiously to argue.
 Rather, by making the right to keep and bear arms
 universal to all
 citizens in the Bill of Rights, and not just to some
 special
 militia class, this formulation allowed for the
 people to self-
 organize into well-regulated militia as needed to
 defend themselves
 from tyranny. In general, our founders were into
 self-
 regulation (particularly of the small-r
 republican variety), not
 nanny government.

 The enhancements to the federal power and
 consolidation under a
 single federal government under the Constitution was
 an economic
 necessity. Nevertheless, the founders still saw fit
 to guarantee each
 state in the union a republican form of
 government, and each
 citizen a right to keep and bear arms. They hardly
 envisioned the
 federal government confiscating guns from everyone
 except the police
 or army. Maybe one or two of them thought that was a
 good idea (after
 all, they did discuss the various alternatives, and
 even my hero
 Hamilton had a brain fart about re-establishing
 monarchy), but the
 consensus was to state explicitly a right to keep an
 bear arms to
 all, and the reason sited was not just so the
 government could
 regulate some once and future national guard or
 whatever, but rather
 because an oppressive government could only be
 countered by a people
 armed to defend themselves.

 Context Ed is just as important as the precise
 wording of a phrase.

 - Bob


 -- Ed Leafe
 -- http://leafe.com
 -- http://dabodev.com




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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Junk science, plain and simple.

I just read somewhere that CO2 in the atmosphere
doesn't cause temperature increases, but instead
temperature increases causes an increase in CO2 in the
atmosphere.




--- Robert Calco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Getting back to the subject at hand: The 'global
 warming' crowd is  
 supposedly using the same statistical 'science' that
 predicted the  
 2006 hurricane season would all-but-certainly be a
 'more active than  
 usual' season---completely failing to foresee the El
 Nino that  
 developed and the impact of Saharan dust in the
 Atlantic Basin.
 
 We can't trust next week's (let alone next year's)
 weather forecast;  
 and these geniuses pretend to know that A.) Atypical
 'global warming'  
 is unquestionably happening; B.) It's caused almost
 certainly by  
 humans; and C.) Kyoto and other economic suicide
 pacts will  
 definitely reverse it, but only if we act fast,
 while supplies last.
 
 Science me arse. It's a sales pitch, just not for
 the merchandize you  
 see in the window...
 
 They give themselves away with all that
 semi-subliminal blather about  
 social equity in their scientific report...
 
 - Bob
 
 On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Michael Madigan wrote:
 
  If he hates the bearing of arms, he's really going
 to
  hate the anti-abortion amendment.
 
 
 
 
  --- Robert Calco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Ed Leafe wrote:
 
  On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:23 PM, David Crooks wrote:
 
  How can anyone prove that???  Did they have the
  same thermometers 200
  years ago that are in use today???  There is no
  way!!!
 
  Some global warming.
 
  I agree. I was cold in Albany, NY 200 years ago
  and guess what?
  It is
  still cold in Albany, NY. LOL!
 
I love how some people only read half of
  something. They see a term
  such as global warming and completely miss the
  'global' part of it.
  Sort of like the same brilliant minds who read
 the
  2nd Amendment as
  guaranteeing the unfettered right to keep and
 bear
  arms, completely
  missing the well-regulated militia part.
 
  Or how some people read the whole part of
 something,
  entirely out of
  context.
 
  The purpose of the 'well-regulated militia' was
 to
  protect the people
  from an oppressive government, and was not
 intended
  to establish a
  particular well-regulated militia, as some seem
  curiously to argue.
  Rather, by making the right to keep and bear arms
  universal to all
  citizens in the Bill of Rights, and not just to
 some
  special
  militia class, this formulation allowed for the
  people to self-
  organize into well-regulated militia as needed
 to
  defend themselves
  from tyranny. In general, our founders were into
  self-
  regulation (particularly of the small-r
  republican variety), not
  nanny government.
 
  The enhancements to the federal power and
  consolidation under a
  single federal government under the Constitution
 was
  an economic
  necessity. Nevertheless, the founders still saw
 fit
  to guarantee each
  state in the union a republican form of
  government, and each
  citizen a right to keep and bear arms. They
 hardly
  envisioned the
  federal government confiscating guns from
 everyone
  except the police
  or army. Maybe one or two of them thought that
 was a
  good idea (after
  all, they did discuss the various alternatives,
 and
  even my hero
  Hamilton had a brain fart about re-establishing
  monarchy), but the
  consensus was to state explicitly a right to keep
 an
  bear arms to
  all, and the reason sited was not just so the
  government could
  regulate some once and future national guard or
  whatever, but rather
  because an oppressive government could only be
  countered by a people
  armed to defend themselves.
 
  Context Ed is just as important as the precise
  wording of a phrase.
 
  - Bob
 
 
  -- Ed Leafe
  -- http://leafe.com
  -- http://dabodev.com
 
 
 
 
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RE: Buffer overruns stuff

Your 2  4 look interesting since I have any number of abends,
delibretate and otherwise, during development. Plus, for reasons I don't
understand, my manager keeps the connection code secret. Is there such a
thing as a dangling connection and/or a way to detect it?
-Lew 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Fletcher Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Buffer overruns  stuff

Lew,

Some things to try:

1) Run MSConfig and turn of everything unless you need it.  Including
anti virus, etc.  Then, do nothing but run the application.  

2) One problem I had that generated weird messages was when I was using
a connection that would occasionally disconnect and then reconnect.
Most apps worked well.  But my SQL connections did NOT like it.  This
took a while to track down

3) It could be that there is a call you are doing that has a memory
leak.  This call may be made a variable number of times.  One example
might be a test to see if the remote server exists before you try to
connect to it.  This would have a loop that would run until we got a
timeout or acknowledgement from the server.
Since the loop would run a variable amount of times each time it was
called, the effect of each call can vary.

4) Could you be leaving a connection open?  In one case, I had some code
that created a handle, but never specifically disconnected it.  Over
time, this would accumulate until the computer got upset.  And, in this
case, the connection was only created by a procedure that was doing a
verification - so it was easy to overlook that part of the code.

If this doesn't help, I may have some others for you.

Take care,

Fletcher

Fletcher Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
408-929-5678 - Cell
408-946-0960 - Work
501-421-9629 - Fax 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lew Schwartz
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:54 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Buffer overruns  stuff

Thanks, Fletcher. Since it never occurs in the same place twice, I can't
narrow down to a reproducable error. I have removed dbc events, changed
my on error from on error createobject(errorhandler) to the old
fashioned on error do ...
and threw in a sys(1104). Today, so far, no explosions.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Fletcher Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Buffer overruns  stuff

Lew,

I was using a dual core cpu based XP system to work with an MS SQL
database.
Using both remote views as well as SQL pass-through, I did not encounter
this problem.  The application is in use at locations throughout the
U.S. again without such a problem (although I doubt these installations
are using similar
cpus)

I can offer you two ideas.

1) Try the basic approach of narrowing down the code to the fewest
number of lines that still reproduce the problem.  Just doing this often
identifies it.
But if not, post that code and we can test it on our computers.
Unfortunately, mine is in the shop until 2-20 so I hope others here can
help you before then.

2) Does this happen when you are stepping through the code or only
during run time when the debugger is not active? If the latter, I have a
debugging tool that might still help you identify the problem, should
you be so interested.

Take care 

Fletcher

Fletcher Johnson
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lew Schwartz
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:34 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Buffer overruns  stuff

The problem predates SetMemory(), there are no other api calls. This is
XP pro.
I haven't tested the difference between app's vs exe's. I'm using apps
for now, but a standalone exe is in the near future. I'll try to see if
there's a particular place or routine that blows up today, but I don't
think so.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Derek Kalweit
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Buffer overrins  stuff

No, it isn't a native VFP error. VFP is written in MS c++ so 
 the undelying libraries have MS c++ error messages. When a pointer 
 references a memory location outside of the space allocated for vfp,
 c++ generates this error. It's a boiler plate message; it never
 changes and it never gives any additional information.

Yes-- I'm primarily making sure it's created by the VFP process and not
something you're observing through a c++ debugger you've attached to the
process or anything.


No flls or api calls in the app.

You are using API calls in Ed's setmemory.prg. What O/S are you running
under?
interpretted and/or compiled?

Have you commented Ed's setmemory.prg to see if that's causing the
issue? I'm

RE: Buffer overruns stuff

...already logging like a sob. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Sales Info
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Buffer overruns  stuff

Lew,

I have several VFP applications that have been running non-stop for
years. Every time a new release of VFP comes out, I've recompiled and
re-installed without problem.

One suggestion: You might try sprinkling some ...

strtofile( timestamp, global counter and some diagnostics or code
location, myapp.log, .T. )

throughout your code to see where you code is failing. When your system
fails, review the log and see if there's a pattern.

Malcolm

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will FPD2.6 programs run on Vista?

2007-02-06 Thread ken.com

Has anyone tried this? What if I need to put files=99 in config.nt?  HP says 
they have modified their Vista so that config.nt and 
autoexec.nt cannot be modified as in WinXP.



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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:29 PM Ed Leafe wrote:

   I love how some people only read half of something. They see a
term such as global 
warming and completely miss the 'global' part of it.  
Sort of like the same brilliant minds who read the 2nd Amendment as
guaranteeing the unfettered right to keep and bear arms, completely
missing the well-regulated militia part.

Last I checked Albany, NY was on the same globe as other 'hot' spots!
For true Global Warming, the whole planet would be getting warmer.  That
is not the case and believe that the planet is in perfect balance.  Does
that mean there won't be a problem if the ice caps melt and the oceans
raise 10 feet?  If that happens Washington, DC will be under water.

David L. Crooks


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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Feb 6, 2007, at 2:25 PM, David Crooks wrote:

 Last I checked Albany, NY was on the same globe as other 'hot' spots!
 For true Global Warming, the whole planet would be getting warmer.   
 That
 is not the case and believe that the planet is in perfect balance.

The whole planet is indeed getting warmer. This affects global  
weather patterns, which may result in some areas getting much warmer  
and others getting much colder. It is the net change that is the  
'global warming'.

-- Ed Leafe
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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?


On Feb 6, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

 I'm doing well, and it good to see you're still full of vim and  
 vinegar
 and spunky as ever. I hope your new position work out for you.

Thank You Sir. :)


 The evidence of global warming is mounting and becoming undeniable.

.. a lie repeated often enough.

 Change in climate and temperature have been occurring since the
 beginning, but until recently the changes occurred over hundreds of
 thousands, even millions of year. In the past the changes to  
 climate and
 temperatures were so subtle and slow, that life on the planet was able
 to adapt through evolution as the changes occurred.

 There have also been some abrupt changes in the past that devastated
 life on earth like earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunami, strikes by  
 asteroid,
 but hopefully nothing on such a catastrophic level is in the cards for
 our planet anytime soon. Catastrophic events of the past not only
 devastated the planet of themselves, but also recked havoc in the
 changes they made to the environment, which likely lasted long periods
 before the planet regained her delicate balance.

Yeah they were real disasters. :P

 The climate changes taking place now are occurring on a decade by  
 decade
 basis with predictions of extraordinary change levels over the short
 period of 100 years. Our planet cannot tolerate this level of  
 abuse. We
 must immediately begin reversing the causes of global warming.

 We should begin:

 1) Control population growth so as not to trample the necessary  
 plants,
 vegetables, forest, open plains, tropical jungles, etc that are
 absolutely necessary to a healthy planet full of all the diverse
 ecological system supported.

I propose we nuke China, and tell Pakistan that India thinks they  
smell funny. And give both Israel and Iran the OK to stop jabbering  
and just whack each other with whatever they got.

Almost overnight, the supposed over-population problem will be gone.  
And the ensuing nuclear winter would definitely reverse global  
warming for awhile.

come to think of it, it would also result in a tangible reduction of  
the nuclear stockpile, and force us to find alternative fuels too.  
And the trade deficit would go away almost instantly...

The more I think about it, the more I like it... evil-grin/

:)


 2) Find energy sources that do not damage the environment, or even
 cooperated to benefit the environment, like wind energy, energy  
 from the
 tides and currents of the sea, solar energy, biofuel energy, thermal
 energy, nuclear energy.

Maybe we can capture cow farts in jars and turn them into fuel  
somehow. You know, take a destructive thing and turn it into a  
positive thing. ;)


 3) Educate the world to the threat of climate changes, so that every
 government around the world builds a society around economic,  
 political,
 and social systems that protect the health and welfare of our planet.

I propose we teach people to think critically for themselves, period,  
so they don't get sold a bill of goods in the form of some alleged  
altruist's agenda, whether from the ostensible right or left.

- Bob


 Regards,

 LelandJ

 Robert Calco wrote:
 Leland (my friend):

 I read the IPCC's report. I was unimpressed. Frankly, it reeks of
 left-wing politics. From notes on page 18:

 B1... The emphasis is on global solutions to economic, social and
 environmental sustainability, including improved equity, but without
 additional climate initiatives.

 B2... While the scenario is also oriented towards environmental
 protection and social equity, it focuses on local and regional  
 levels.

 economic, social, and environmental sustainability...improved
 equity...social equity... This is science? Please.  It's the same
 visceral reaction you and others have to supposedly objective reports
 with words like freedom and individual responsibility and
 liberty in them. ;)

 All this is at bottom is an attempt to use half-clever statistical
 ruses and scientific-sounding speculation to make a particular
 political platform look like the solution to an imagined boogeyman.
 It's neither a new technique nor a particularly hard one to decipher.
 The left has simply got the political football after a fumble, and
 are pushing hard for the goal line now, is all.

 Like I said, I do not deny the warming trend (A truth that's told
 with bad intent, beats any lie you can invent.). But I'm not sold on
 the science behind the theory involving CO2 levels, and I am
 alarmed at the tendency to group think these kinds of propaganda
 pushes entail. Just looking back over history indicates many periods
 of dramatic warming (and cooling) without any input from man. I'm not
 saying we aren't a factor; i'm not even saying we aren't a big factor
 (esp now that countries like India and China have billions of people
 (and millions of cows, who by the way emit more greenhouse gasses
 than cars)), but I note that the allegedly hard science behind this

RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:28 PM Ed Leafe wrote:

   The whole planet is indeed getting warmer. This affects global
weather patterns, which may result in some areas getting much warmer
and others getting much colder. It is the net change 
that is the 'global warming'.

Again, how the hell can you or anyone prove that???  Madigan just said
that Albany, NY is no warmer now than it was 200 years ago and he would
not lie about that would he?

David L. Crooks


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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

And Washington under water is bad why? 



--- David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:29 PM Ed Leafe
 wrote:
 
  I love how some people only read half of
 something. They see a
 term such as global 
 warming and completely miss the 'global' part of
 it.  
 Sort of like the same brilliant minds who read the
 2nd Amendment as
 guaranteeing the unfettered right to keep and bear
 arms, completely
 missing the well-regulated militia part.
 
 Last I checked Albany, NY was on the same globe as
 other 'hot' spots!
 For true Global Warming, the whole planet would be
 getting warmer.  That
 is not the case and believe that the planet is in
 perfect balance.  Does
 that mean there won't be a problem if the ice caps
 melt and the oceans
 raise 10 feet?  If that happens Washington, DC will
 be under water.
 
 David L. Crooks
 
 
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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Yeah, right.

Albany hasn't changed in 200 years and you expect us
to believe the planet is getting warmer?  What
nonsense.



--- Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Feb 6, 2007, at 2:25 PM, David Crooks wrote:
 
  Last I checked Albany, NY was on the same globe as
 other 'hot' spots!
  For true Global Warming, the whole planet would be
 getting warmer.   
  That
  is not the case and believe that the planet is in
 perfect balance.
 
   The whole planet is indeed getting warmer. This
 affects global  
 weather patterns, which may result in some areas
 getting much warmer  
 and others getting much colder. It is the net change
 that is the  
 'global warming'.
 
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RE: [NF] Do laptop batteries wear out faster in the cold?

2007-02-06 Thread Kevin O'Shea

I ran my first 10K last year in the spring and then went on to run a
couple of 1/2 marathons in late summer.
I want to keep up the running this year, so I purchased a treadmill so I
can continue through the winter. I live in a rural area (south of
Ottawa), so along with the snow and ice and shorter days, I wasn't
willing to risk running outside on a regular basis this time of year.

Good luck with your future runs!

Kevin O'Shea


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My wife and I ran our first 5K yesterday at 7:30AM, in shorts and
T-shirts.
We didn't do too bad for a first run.  Next one is in 6 weeks - looking
to
knock 5 minutes off our time. :)

I LOVE being in Southern California.  :)

LS






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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 2:32 PM Michael Madigan wrote:

And Washington under water is bad why? 

I am sure there are many reasons, as it would turn the city into a
Venice.  It was a swamp a few hundred years ago.  I am 350 feet above
sea level so I would not be effected.

David L. Crooks


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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

You don't need to lie when you have the truth on your
side.

 Madigan just said
 that Albany, NY is no warmer now than it was 200
 years ago and he would
 not lie about that would he?
 
 David L. Crooks
 
 
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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Robert Calco wrote:
 On Feb 6, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA wrote:

   
 I'm doing well, and it good to see you're still full of vim and  
 vinegar
 and spunky as ever. I hope your new position work out for you.
 

 Thank You Sir. :)

   
 The evidence of global warming is mounting and becoming undeniable.
 

 .. a lie repeated often enough.

   
 Change in climate and temperature have been occurring since the
 beginning, but until recently the changes occurred over hundreds of
 thousands, even millions of year. In the past the changes to  
 climate and
 temperatures were so subtle and slow, that life on the planet was able
 to adapt through evolution as the changes occurred.

 There have also been some abrupt changes in the past that devastated
 life on earth like earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunami, strikes by  
 asteroid,
 but hopefully nothing on such a catastrophic level is in the cards for
 our planet anytime soon. Catastrophic events of the past not only
 devastated the planet of themselves, but also recked havoc in the
 changes they made to the environment, which likely lasted long periods
 before the planet regained her delicate balance.
 

 Yeah they were real disasters. :P
   
 The climate changes taking place now are occurring on a decade by  
 decade
 basis with predictions of extraordinary change levels over the short
 period of 100 years. Our planet cannot tolerate this level of  
 abuse. We
 must immediately begin reversing the causes of global warming.

 We should begin:

 1) Control population growth so as not to trample the necessary  
 plants,
 vegetables, forest, open plains, tropical jungles, etc that are
 absolutely necessary to a healthy planet full of all the diverse
 ecological system supported.
 

 I propose we nuke China, and tell Pakistan that India thinks they  
 smell funny. And give both Israel and Iran the OK to stop jabbering  
 and just whack each other with whatever they got.

 Almost overnight, the supposed over-population problem will be gone.  
 And the ensuing nuclear winter would definitely reverse global  
 warming for awhile.

 come to think of it, it would also result in a tangible reduction of  
 the nuclear stockpile, and force us to find alternative fuels too.  
 And the trade deficit would go away almost instantly...

 The more I think about it, the more I like it... evil-grin/

 :)
   
Those of you who think along the lines of the neoconservatives all have 
a one track mind; war, war, war, and more war. But war is not the 
solution; war is the problem, and as Albert Einstein once said:

I don't know what will be used to fight WW III, but WW IV will be fought 
with sticks and stones.

Why use a radical tool like war to combat problems, when the same 
objective can be achieved with proper planning and cooperation between 
peoples and nations?

 2) Find energy sources that do not damage the environment, or even
 cooperated to benefit the environment, like wind energy, energy  
 from the
 tides and currents of the sea, solar energy, biofuel energy, thermal
 energy, nuclear energy.
 

 Maybe we can capture cow farts in jars and turn them into fuel  
 somehow. You know, take a destructive thing and turn it into a  
 positive thing. ;)
   

Methane gas if clean, efficient and can be obtained from human, pig, and 
other animal waste. Tyson Chicken is now turning chicken fat, a 
by-product of processing chicken for market, into biodiesel fuel.

http://www.viacorp.com/bio-gas.html


   
 3) Educate the world to the threat of climate changes, so that every
 government around the world builds a society around economic,  
 political,
 and social systems that protect the health and welfare of our planet.
 

 I propose we teach people to think critically for themselves, period,  
 so they don't get sold a bill of goods in the form of some alleged  
 altruist's agenda, whether from the ostensible right or left.
   

You should take a little of your own advise and think more 
constructively about global warming, rather than remaining safe in the 
darkness of denial.

Regards,

LelandJ
 - Bob
   
 Regards,

 LelandJ

 Robert Calco wrote:
 
 Leland (my friend):

 I read the IPCC's report. I was unimpressed. Frankly, it reeks of
 left-wing politics. From notes on page 18:

 B1... The emphasis is on global solutions to economic, social and
 environmental sustainability, including improved equity, but without
 additional climate initiatives.

 B2... While the scenario is also oriented towards environmental
 protection and social equity, it focuses on local and regional  
 levels.

 economic, social, and environmental sustainability...improved
 equity...social equity... This is science? Please.  It's the same
 visceral reaction you and others have to supposedly objective reports
 with words like freedom and individual responsibility and
 liberty in them. ;)

 All this is at bottom is an attempt to use half-clever statistical
 ruses and

Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Feb 6, 2007, at 2:31 PM, David Crooks wrote:

 Again, how the hell can you or anyone prove that???  Madigan just said
 that Albany, NY is no warmer now than it was 200 years ago and he  
 would
 not lie about that would he?

If you're actually interested in learning about climatology, there  
are several excellent resources on the web. Try googling for measure  
global temperature.

-- Ed Leafe
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Re: Buffer overruns stuff

2007-02-06 Thread Derek Kalweit

 delibretate and otherwise, during development. Plus, for reasons I don't
 understand, my manager keeps the connection code secret. Is there such a

Maybe he wrote a time bomb?

What sort of application is this? Does it run un-attended? If it's
attended, what are you, as the user, doing at the time-- are you
clicking a save button that's writing data to SQL? opening something
that's loading data from SQL? Doing something after idle time?
Something else?


-- 
Derek


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FoxTalk publisher subject of Gripe Line

Hey, it looks like the Fox community isn't the only one being  
screwed by these lowlifes:

http://weblog.infoworld.com/gripeline/archives/2007/02/ 
invoices_design.html?NLC-GRIPEcgd=2007-02-06
( -or- http://tinyurl.com/3xddet )


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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

The effects of global warming are greatest at the north and south poles. 
The CO2 gas tend to collect in the atmosphere above these two 
electromagnetic opposites.

Regards

LelandJ


David Crooks wrote:
 On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:29 PM Ed Leafe wrote:

   
  I love how some people only read half of something. They see a
 
 term such as global 
   
 warming and completely miss the 'global' part of it.  
 Sort of like the same brilliant minds who read the 2nd Amendment as
 
 guaranteeing the unfettered right to keep and bear arms, completely
 missing the well-regulated militia part.

 Last I checked Albany, NY was on the same globe as other 'hot' spots!
 For true Global Warming, the whole planet would be getting warmer.  That
 is not the case and believe that the planet is in perfect balance.  Does
 that mean there won't be a problem if the ice caps melt and the oceans
 raise 10 feet?  If that happens Washington, DC will be under water.

 David L. Crooks


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RE: Buffer overruns stuff

Totally unattended. It reads data from it's source, parses it and stores
it as fast as the hard/software combo will allow. Absolutely no user
input. Time bomb or messy code wouldn't surprise me at all. 

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 delibretate and otherwise, during development. Plus, for reasons I 
 don't understand, my manager keeps the connection code secret. Is 
 there such a

Maybe he wrote a time bomb?

What sort of application is this? Does it run un-attended? If it's
attended, what are you, as the user, doing at the time-- are you
clicking a save button that's writing data to SQL? opening something
that's loading data from SQL? Doing something after idle time?
Something else?

--
Derek

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[NF] Front Page on Unix

We're considering moving our Front Page 2003 web site (currently hosted by
Comcast).

A potential hoster we're talking to does not do Microsoft web servers,
only UNIX.

How feasible is it to run a FP web site on a Unix server?

TIA

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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Below is an article that summarizes the IPCC report:

#


  Warming data notes Arctic changes

By Tom Kizzia

McClatchy Newspapers

(MCT)

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - The latest international scientific report on global 
warming, released last week in Paris, is focusing new attention on 
changes to the Arctic, including a sharp increase projected for rain and 
snowfall in Alaska.

Unlike the previous international summary report, issued in 2001, this 
one repeatedly mentions the Arctic, according to two of Alaska's leading 
climate scientists. The northern latitudes have been heating up faster 
than anywhere else and are already showing significant signs of change.

University researchers in Fairbanks and Anchorage said last week the 
world's scientific community is squarely behind the new report, which 
concludes there is no longer reasonable doubt that rising temperatures 
and sea levels are due to human activity. The United Nations-backed 
report says it is nearly certain - with a confidence level of more than 
90 percent - that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases generated by 
humans have been the main cause of rising temperatures in the last half 
century.

The smoking gun is now there in terms of human contribution, said John 
Walsh, a climate scientist at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. It's 
going to be received as a call for action in the United States.

But Alaska's best-known climate-change skeptic, Syun Akasofu of the 
University of Alaska Fairbanks, said he's still not convinced. He said 
the 21-page summary report released Friday does not appear to allow 
sufficiently for natural fluctuations in climate.

There is no question that climate change is occurring in the Arctic. 
The question is what's causing this, said Akasofu, an aurora scientist 
who retired last week as director of the university's International 
Arctic Research Center. He said scientists must do a better job teasing 
out natural and regional heating trends and subtracting these effects 
from the overall measured changes.

Walsh disagreed. He said the detailed reports underlying Friday's 
release will spell out how natural variability has already been allowed 
for. One table released Friday showed solar radiation as only a minor 
contributor compared to emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases.

The new report is a product of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate 
Change, drawing on work from hundreds of scientists from 113 countries. 
It represents the fourth such assessment of scientific thinking on the 
issue since 1990, when scientists were still trying to decide if the 
warming trend was real.

Deborah Williams, a global warming advocate with Alaska Conservation 
Solutions in Anchorage, said the strongly-worded report should resolve 
the science dispute over causes for all but the most determined 
climate-change deniers.

To my mind, this is like the Supreme Court of international scientists 
issuing a final decision, Williams said.

This report focuses mainly on causes and projections. Detailed IPCC 
reports on impacts and options for limiting emissions are scheduled for 
release later this year.

Regarding effects on Alaska, the impact report will draw heavily on the 
2004 Arctic Climate Impact Assessment, an international effort that 
received much discussion here, said Walsh, who helped write the new 
report's polar regions chapter.

Among the impacts in Alaska, which the scientists said will be detailed 
in the report to come: shrinking glaciers, receding sea ice and snow 
cover, melting permafrost and advancing tree lines. One anticipated 
impact that has not received much attention yet is an increase in 
precipitation in Alaska of 15 percent to 25 percent, Walsh said. That 
could mean more erosion and more frequent thunderstorms in Interior 
Alaska, he said.

Stream flow runoff may have perhaps more consequences than temperature 
change in an area like Alaska, Walsh said.

Other new studies affecting the polar regions involve accelerated loss 
of sea ice, harm to polar bears and other marine mammals, and increasing 
ultraviolet radiation through an Arctic ozone hole, Walsh said.

The new report is bleak, noting that the globe will continue to warm for 
centuries even if carbon emissions are cut back to the levels of the 
year 2000.

The last IPCC report said it was likely - defined as a confidence 
level of better than 66 percent - that human activity was a major factor 
in global warming. The new report raised that level to very likely, 
citing a multitude of new studies and climate models run by supercomputers.

The report said it is very likely that the world will experience more 
heat waves and heavy rainstorms and that Arctic sea ice will disappear 
almost entirely by the end of the century. It is likely that 
hurricanes will become fewer but more intense, the report said.

How likely are these things? These are questions the insurance 
companies and Senator (Ted)

RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Their main job was anything but being military. That was a secondary or even
tertiary duty. They weren't just there to fight foreign armies, but to be
ready to fight tyranny, from within or without. I believe an armed society
is a polite society. Currently, we have armed thugs, armed cops and a few
ordinary citizens. Get a gun or two or ten, learn to use them and teach your
kids!

John

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On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you know the militia was comprised of ordinary citizens. It wasn't  
 a standing
 army that they worried about having gunss.

Exactly. There were militias, and there were 'well-regulated  
militias'. Their main job was to ensure the peace locally, as opposed  
to standing armies, who were only supposed to fight foreign forces.  
The goal was to be able to guarantee that such local militias would  
never be disarmed by a leader who wanted to use the army to tyrannize  
the country.

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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:02 PM john harvey wrote:

Their main job was anything but being military. That was a secondary or
even tertiary duty. They weren't just there to fight foreign armies,
but to be ready to fight tyranny, from within or 
without. I believe an armed society is a polite society. Currently, we
have armed thugs, armed 
cops and a few ordinary citizens. Get a gun or two or ten, learn to use
them and teach your 
kids!

So they can shoot each other and maybe you!  Great idea!

Ohh, I forgot, guns don't kill people, bullets do...

David L. Crooks


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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

This is true. How did we ever focus on the drunk driver, but not the
shooter?

John

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On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:02 PM john harvey wrote:

Their main job was anything but being military. That was a secondary or
even tertiary duty. They weren't just there to fight foreign armies,
but to be ready to fight tyranny, from within or 
without. I believe an armed society is a polite society. Currently, we
have armed thugs, armed 
cops and a few ordinary citizens. Get a gun or two or ten, learn to use
them and teach your 
kids!

So they can shoot each other and maybe you!  Great idea!

Ohh, I forgot, guns don't kill people, bullets do...

David L. Crooks

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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:10 PM john harvey wrote:

This is true. How did we ever focus on the drunk driver, but not the
shooter?

Because it is the car that is weapon.  If they don't like their driving
then they should stay off the sidewalk! :-)

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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:02 PM, john harvey wrote:

 Their main job was anything but being military. That was a  
 secondary or even
 tertiary duty. They weren't just there to fight foreign armies, but  
 to be
 ready to fight tyranny, from within or without.

Everything from that period that I've read drew a distinct line  
between militias and standing armies. Militias were not used for wars  
against other countries; they were used for domestic problems.

 I believe an armed society
 is a polite society. Currently, we have armed thugs, armed cops and  
 a few
 ordinary citizens. Get a gun or two or ten, learn to use them and  
 teach your
 kids!

We have such an armed society to use as our model. Guns are  
plentiful in Iraq these days, and nearly everyone has one or can get  
one. Ah, yes, what a polite society! And if we ship even more weapons  
there, it will become an even more polite and genteel place!

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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Same old tired irrational liberal nonsense.

I bet you'd faint if you had to hold a gun.


--- David Crooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:02 PM john harvey
 wrote:
 
 Their main job was anything but being military.
 That was a secondary or
 even tertiary duty. They weren't just there to
 fight foreign armies,
 but to be ready to fight tyranny, from within or 
 without. I believe an armed society is a polite
 society. Currently, we
 have armed thugs, armed 
 cops and a few ordinary citizens. Get a gun or two
 or ten, learn to use
 them and teach your 
 kids!
 
 So they can shoot each other and maybe you!  Great
 idea!
 
 Ohh, I forgot, guns don't kill people, bullets do...
 
 David L. Crooks
 
 
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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

The same logic of getting guns off the street would be
to remove cars off the street.

Many more people die from cars than from guns.



--- john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is true. How did we ever focus on the drunk
 driver, but not the
 shooter?
 
 John
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
 Of David Crooks
 Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:07 PM
 To: ProFox Email List
 Subject: RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard
 Facts?
 
 On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:02 PM john harvey
 wrote:
 
 Their main job was anything but being military.
 That was a secondary or
 even tertiary duty. They weren't just there to
 fight foreign armies,
 but to be ready to fight tyranny, from within or 
 without. I believe an armed society is a polite
 society. Currently, we
 have armed thugs, armed 
 cops and a few ordinary citizens. Get a gun or two
 or ten, learn to use
 them and teach your 
 kids!
 
 So they can shoot each other and maybe you!  Great
 idea!
 
 Ohh, I forgot, guns don't kill people, bullets do...
 
 David L. Crooks
 
 
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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:09 PM, john harvey wrote:

 This is true. How did we ever focus on the drunk driver, but not the
 shooter?

Good point! The government would *never* enact laws regulating cars!

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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Now you're comparing Americans to savages.



--- Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:02 PM, john harvey wrote:
 
  Their main job was anything but being military.
 That was a  
  secondary or even
  tertiary duty. They weren't just there to fight
 foreign armies, but  
  to be
  ready to fight tyranny, from within or without.
 
   Everything from that period that I've read drew a
 distinct line  
 between militias and standing armies. Militias were
 not used for wars  
 against other countries; they were used for domestic
 problems.
 
  I believe an armed society
  is a polite society. Currently, we have armed
 thugs, armed cops and  
  a few
  ordinary citizens. Get a gun or two or ten, learn
 to use them and  
  teach your
  kids!
 
   We have such an armed society to use as our model.
 Guns are  
 plentiful in Iraq these days, and nearly everyone
 has one or can get  
 one. Ah, yes, what a polite society! And if we ship
 even more weapons  
 there, it will become an even more polite and
 genteel place!
 
 -- Ed Leafe
 -- http://leafe.com
 -- http://dabodev.com
 
 
 
 
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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

2007-02-06 Thread John Baird

That'd be a good start...


If that happens Washington, DC will be under water.

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RE: Buffer overruns stuff

2007-02-06 Thread Fletcher Johnson

Lew,

The manager is probably protecting the connection code because it usually
includes a valid access account and password in an unencrypted format.  One way
I got around this was to have them create a QA account and use that in a
temporary connection until the problem was resolved.  Then they could just
disable that account until it was needed again in the future.

I don't know of a way off the top of my head to track when the connection
breaks, but there are ways to do it.  Windows can be set to notify you (usually
when using a wireless card) if the network connection breaks, so I would guess
there would be a similar ability to track data connections.  

Take care,

Fletcher

Fletcher Johnson
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408-946-0960 - Work
501-421-9629 - Fax 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Lew Schwartz
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:18 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Buffer overruns  stuff

Your 2  4 look interesting since I have any number of abends, delibretate and
otherwise, during development. Plus, for reasons I don't understand, my manager
keeps the connection code secret. Is there such a thing as a dangling connection
and/or a way to detect it?
-Lew 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lew,

Some things to try:

1) Run MSConfig and turn of everything unless you need it.  Including anti
virus, etc.  Then, do nothing but run the application.  

2) One problem I had that generated weird messages was when I was using a
connection that would occasionally disconnect and then reconnect.
Most apps worked well.  But my SQL connections did NOT like it.  This took a
while to track down

3) It could be that there is a call you are doing that has a memory leak.  This
call may be made a variable number of times.  One example might be a test to see
if the remote server exists before you try to connect to it.  This would have a
loop that would run until we got a timeout or acknowledgement from the server.
Since the loop would run a variable amount of times each time it was called, the
effect of each call can vary.

4) Could you be leaving a connection open?  In one case, I had some code that
created a handle, but never specifically disconnected it.  Over time, this would
accumulate until the computer got upset.  And, in this case, the connection was
only created by a procedure that was doing a verification - so it was easy to
overlook that part of the code.

If this doesn't help, I may have some others for you.

Take care,

Fletcher

Fletcher Johnson
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-Original Message-
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Lew Schwartz
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Thanks, Fletcher. Since it never occurs in the same place twice, I can't narrow
down to a reproducable error. I have removed dbc events, changed my on error
from on error createobject(errorhandler) to the old fashioned on error do ...
and threw in a sys(1104). Today, so far, no explosions.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lew,

I was using a dual core cpu based XP system to work with an MS SQL database.
Using both remote views as well as SQL pass-through, I did not encounter this
problem.  The application is in use at locations throughout the U.S. again
without such a problem (although I doubt these installations are using similar
cpus)

I can offer you two ideas.

1) Try the basic approach of narrowing down the code to the fewest number of
lines that still reproduce the problem.  Just doing this often identifies it.
But if not, post that code and we can test it on our computers.
Unfortunately, mine is in the shop until 2-20 so I hope others here can help you
before then.

2) Does this happen when you are stepping through the code or only during run
time when the debugger is not active? If the latter, I have a debugging tool
that might still help you identify the problem, should you be so interested.

Take care 

Fletcher

Fletcher Johnson
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501-421-9629 - Fax 

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Lew Schwartz
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:34 AM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Buffer overruns  stuff

The problem predates SetMemory(), there are no other api calls. This is XP pro.
I haven't tested the difference between app's vs exe's. I'm using apps for now,
but a standalone exe is in the near future. I'll try to see if there's a
particular place

RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:13 PM Michael Madigan wrote:

snipped some worthless sentence

I bet you'd faint if you had to hold a gun.

And you would be incorrect as I do own a .22 rifle and have killed 2
groundhogs with it. Now if I see one that sees it shadow I would kill it
as well.  I am ready for spring.

David L. Crooks



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RE: Buffer overruns stuff

2007-02-06 Thread Sales Info

Lew,

Have a loader app (could be a batch file) that runs your main app in a
loop and only exits when a certain file is present locally.

Sample batch file (untested):

code
@echo off
:start
myapp.exe
if not exist myapp.quit goto start
del myapp.quit
/code

Have your main app exit every X minutes so it can get restarted by the
loader app.

Its a hack for sure, but desperate times often call for desperate
measures.

Malcolm


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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

 Their main job was anything but being military. That was a  
 secondary or even
 tertiary duty. They weren't just there to fight foreign armies, but  
 to be
 ready to fight tyranny, from within or without.

//  Everything from that period that I've read drew a distinct line  
//between militias and standing armies. Militias were not used for wars  
//against other countries; they were used for domestic problems.

We didn't have an army at that time, because we weren't a sovereign country.
We were under British rule and their army was here. Our militia was formed
to fight whatever it needed to fight. (Sounds like we're saying the same
thing as we circle the issue)G

 I believe an armed society
 is a polite society. Currently, we have armed thugs, armed cops and  
 a few
 ordinary citizens. Get a gun or two or ten, learn to use them and  
 teach your
 kids!

//  We have such an armed society to use as our model. Guns are  
//plentiful in Iraq these days, and nearly everyone has one or can get  
//one. Ah, yes, what a polite society! And if we ship even more weapons  
//there, it will become an even more polite and genteel place!

I said society, not an anarchy. Our crime problem in the US really stems
from a failure of the system to deal with deviant behavior. We don't modify
thugs behavior by turning up the heat, we embolden them by telling them it's
not their fault. It's mainly the fault of those people who work for a
living! I will never understand your side's desire to disarm the American
public. I been around guns and hunters all my life and never felt threatened
by any but the thugs with guns/knives/bats/etc. My kids can all shoot, they
know how to  clean and care for guns and they respect them. They've never
shot anyone, or to my knowledge, pointed a gun at anyone.

John






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RE: Buffer overruns stuff

That's what it will come to if I can't nail this bug. 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:26 PM
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Lew,

Have a loader app (could be a batch file) that runs your main app in a
loop and only exits when a certain file is present locally.

Sample batch file (untested):

code
@echo off
:start
myapp.exe
if not exist myapp.quit goto start
del myapp.quit
/code

Have your main app exit every X minutes so it can get restarted by the
loader app.

Its a hack for sure, but desperate times often call for desperate
measures.

Malcolm

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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:26 PM, john harvey wrote:

 I said society, not an anarchy.

But guns were the critical component of creating the desired  
behavior. Isn't the assumption that if everyone were to have a gun  
that civilized behavior would inevitably follow, since everyone must  
assume that everyone can defend themselves? Well, that's exactly the  
situation in Iraq, and it resembles the Wild West of the gold rush  
days. Wow, come to think of it, everyone there had guns, too, and  
there was an awful lot of crime and violence.

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Re: [NF] Front Page on Unix

Almost all ISP will support the FP extension in their Unix and Linux 
environment.  I would guess about 95% or better of ISP are running the 
apache web server on their Unix/Linux servers.  Apache is a great web 
serve, and as I said, it will support FP extensions.

Regards,

LelandJ

James E Harvey wrote:
 We're considering moving our Front Page 2003 web site (currently hosted by
 Comcast).

 A potential hoster we're talking to does not do Microsoft web servers,
 only UNIX.

 How feasible is it to run a FP web site on a Unix server?

 TIA

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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

The crime and violence in the old west was greatly exaggerated in the
movies and tv. Gunslingers sometimes even had shootouts where nobody got
shot. Iraq is a different place. Look at where the most crime occurs in the
US, and you'll see that the worst places are those where it is illegal for
most citizens to have guns.

John

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On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:26 PM, john harvey wrote:

 I said society, not an anarchy.

But guns were the critical component of creating the desired  
behavior. Isn't the assumption that if everyone were to have a gun  
that civilized behavior would inevitably follow, since everyone must  
assume that everyone can defend themselves? Well, that's exactly the  
situation in Iraq, and it resembles the Wild West of the gold rush  
days. Wow, come to think of it, everyone there had guns, too, and  
there was an awful lot of crime and violence.

-- Ed Leafe
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Re: [NF] OS Recalls, was: The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

On 2/6/07, Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Agreed Michael, but as users we all have choice over accepting and not 
 accepting updates to the OS.
 Same with upgrades. I just want the choice to be extended longer than what we 
 get today with respect
 to patches to existing operating systems moving forward.

Which operating systems, Rick?

Operating systems manufacturers are businesses, and they have to have
a justification for wanting to maintain older products, as well as a
need to innovate new products and support for newer technologies,
like 802.11n, SATA drives and Firewire-800. Are you arguing for some
sort of government intervention to alter the behavior of the free
market?

 The reality in the business world is a machine's useful life is way longer 
 than what operating
 system manufacturers are supporting from a security patch perspective. The 
 built in obsolescence is
 not hardware, it is the OS, and it is not that the OS is not working and 
 providing hardware
 services, it is security patches the operating system providers are stopping.

Which providers? Apple seems to have addressed this issue by offering
OS upgrades at a cost of around $130 each year or so. Microsoft's
model seems more out with the old, in with the new at a
every-slowing rate*. RedHat and SuSE and Ubuntu have long-term support
plans, and the Open Source community offers many means of accessing
free or inexpensive patches to keep software up-to-date and secure. So
which provider is failing to support the needs of their customer base,
Rick?

How long would you want software supported for, and at what cost?
Would users be required to pay for 5- or 7-year support contracts?
Would the vendor have to include that in the price of the package?

 Don't get me wrong. I believe businesses need to move along to bigger and 
 better hardware and
 operating systems in general, but I also know it is not always practical or 
 appropriate.


Isn't that something we should allow the invisible hand of the free
market to drive? If customers believe there are alternatives that
provide a lower overall cost of ownership by allowing software to be
used over a longer lifetime, won't the customers make the decision to
support those products with better ROI? And the responsive vendors
succeed in the marketplace?

Returning to your earlier analogy, is this like the government
mandating seat belts, or more like them requiring a 5-year, 100,000
mile warranty?

* If Windows keeps getting slower and slower in shipping new versions,
won't that provide the longevity you want? It would be interesting to
plot version against version and predict when Windows.NEXT will ship.
It was five years between XP and Vista, three years between XP and
2000. I'm not sure how XPSP2 and 2003 could fit in there. How much
longer should they go?

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RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

2007-02-06 Thread Kristyne McDaniel

Kevin,

The only issue would be if your FP site has data connections to a database
that is not supported, or if the extensions are older than the ones your
code is written to support.

I've got sites that are using FP on Unix that have been running that way for
many years. 




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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Ok to sum it up then: guns contribute to global warming ?
They sure don't contribute to safety

A+
jml


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RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

I've found one local provider, DE Jazzd,
http://www.dejazzd.com/hosting/plans/shared.php and they have a plan that
supports FoxPro tables  dlls.

We're not doing anything in that area currently, but it's nice to know we
could when we decide to go that route.

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Kevin,

The only issue would be if your FP site has data connections to a database
that is not supported, or if the extensions are older than the ones your
code is written to support.

I've got sites that are using FP on Unix that have been running that way for
many years. 




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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

and when the Nazis rolled into france, they sure
didn't help the French.



--- Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Ok to sum it up then: guns contribute to global
 warming ?
 They sure don't contribute to safety
 
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Re: [NF] The Ultimate Vista Upgrade

On 2/5/07, Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You stated in a previous post that you have a Linux box (for most software) 
 and a Windows box (for
 Fox and Quickbooks), as did Whil, to run your business. I was using your 
 example. Am I remembering
 wrong?

Yeah, or I'm not communicating as well as I should. My blog's subtitle
says Mission: Interoperable and while I use (several) Linux and
Windows laptops, I also run a desktop Mac. While my goal is to get
away from packages that tie me to a single vendor, your suggestion
that One Distro To Bind Them All was my solution isn't correct:
diversity is a necessary part of a healthy computing industry.


 Interesting, when I look up monopoly on Dictionary.com, I see your picture 
 in the definition bg

I think you misread. It's more likely monotony. ;)
.
 It has been 20-something years since I got my minor in Econ, but I doubt the 
 definition of monopoly
 really applies to the other computer guy in Contoocook, NH.


Hard as it is to believe, there's actually two other Fox development
shops in town.

 My assertion is most normal businesses are not going to put 2 machines on 
 every employees desk in their business so they can do
 their jobs.

I hadn't heard that before. I agree.

Yes there are exceptions like meteorologist at NOAA (each has three if I recall
 correctly).

And trading desks. Those folks seem to think five or six screens are
some sign of rank!

You have two desktops just
 to run your business (and several others for supporting clients, which is 
 very normal in our
 business). I have one laptop to develop, keep my books, correspond with 
 clients and associates, do
 research on the Web, watch movies to relax, and everything else. I have 
 several other machines to
 support my clients, but my business is run on one machine, and one OS, and 
 this is the norm for
 general business.

I guess I am not following what running your business means to you.
I have many machines I operate on. You have many machines you operate
on. If you're making the point that my accounting system runs on a
different OS than everything else, I'll conceed that's unusual, but
not unheard of. Most business users have only one machine on their
desktops. However, especially in large businesses, there can be a lot
of variation across the business in what that machine is, what it is
running and how it is configured.

My doctor has a locked-down Windows machine that runs nothing but
their practice management app. My dental tech has nothing but her
dental scheduling app. The dental receptionist has a DOS-based
greenscreen practice management and accounting app (I suspect it might
be FoxBase.). Some clients run dedicated 3270 terminal emulation. For
all practical purposes, these people are not even running an OS. Most
of my clients these days run a machine with a browser, an email
client, a word processor, a spreadsheet and a dedicated database
application, either rich-client or browser-based.

 People I know who work with Linux every day. I am sure if you are just using 
 office apps and
 browsing the web the compatibility is there. But I have friends who have 
 scientific type apps
 running and they need specific configs (hardware and software).

Then we're not talking general-purpose business applications. My
friends who run AutoCAD have some pretty funky hardware and software
requirements too. But that's not mainstream. Every package has
dependencies (like FoxPro's XML functionality needs MS's XML
libraries), and some are easier to configure than others. But that's a
problem we see bundling up 3rd party ActiveX controls with Windows,
too.

 Actually I only had the SCT-deleting script file run by an employee hours 
 after we told him not to.

I think I know him ;)

 Never with a client. With the SCTs or even deleting the EXE the users are 
 destroying something where
 I can send them a new copy. If they change the OS under the hood (whether it 
 is an in-house IT
 department or hired out) I don't get to fix this. I think there is a big 
 difference.

I'm sorry, I'm really being dense here. Could you explain again the
two cases and the difference you're pointing out. I'm afraid I missed
the point.

 Reminder to self: my point is confusion in the marketplace. This is not a 
 technical issue, it is a
 business issue.

I'd be interested in hearing about your experiences in the marketplace
where you run into this confusion and how you address it. I have
clients complain well, it's just Windows, why doesn't your software
just work on it? when they want a FoxPro app to run on their cell
phone. There's confusion!

My experience with clients is that their level of cluefulness with
Linux is all over the place. Some are not aware their backroom is
running it; with some, it is a corporate mission. Some are willing to
try a Linux desktop is the office; others reject the idea out of hand.
(Many the same ones we've talked about here who had a bad dBASE
experience in 1987 and still forbid

RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

They have kept me alive for a long time!

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Ok to sum it up then: guns contribute to global warming ?
They sure don't contribute to safety

A+
jml

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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

The French were just waiting to surrender, but were to lazy to go to
Germany!

John

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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:46 PM
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and when the Nazis rolled into france, they sure
didn't help the French.

--- Jean Laeremans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Ok to sum it up then: guns contribute to global
 warming ?
 They sure don't contribute to safety

 A+
 jml

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Re: [NF] Front Page on Unix

I haven't used FP since I did my first install of window 95 a while 
back.  I switched off FP as soon as I found another web page editor.

I did a search on the web regarding the FP extension running in an 
Apache Server, and found some post that indicated minor issues with FP 
running in Apache, which were easily overcome with the right expertise.

If  you like a What you see is what you get web page editor, you might 
take a look at Coffeecup's VisualSite Designer.  It creates web pages as 
CSS and allows for plenty of special effects to be added to objects on 
the web page.  When the Objects on the web pages are published, they are 
transformed into .gif images.  The CSS then calls the art from the CSS 
it creates, and places it in the correct location on the web page.  
VisualSite Designer is simple to use.  I couple the VisualSite Designer 
with the Coffeecup html IDE to work on the same web page, and this make 
a very good combination to accomplish about any basic web page task.

For more serious web applications I use perl, PostgreSQL, and Apache.  I 
use the Komodo IDE to work with the perl scripts in which the html is 
streamed to the clients browser.

Coffeecup has a lot of tools to work with Flash, but I generally try to 
stay away from Flash, since it requires a special plugin be installed on 
the client's browser.

I run coffeecup VisualSite Designer and HTML editor in a Windows XP Pro 
Virual machine hosted in FC6, (eg the Coffeecup stuff only runs in 
windows).  I FTP the published web site to my apache web server, which 
is running FC6.  My web Server is on a credenza only feet away from my 
desk, which make the web server very convenient.

It may be that Coffeecup's VisualSite Designer and HTML editor would be 
better suited to your task than FP.

Here is a link to the Coffeecup offerings:

http://www.coffeecup.com/software/

Regards,

LelandJ



James E Harvey wrote:
 We're considering moving our Front Page 2003 web site (currently hosted by
 Comcast).

 A potential hoster we're talking to does not do Microsoft web servers,
 only UNIX.

 How feasible is it to run a FP web site on a Unix server?

 TIA

 James E Harvey
 Corresponding Officer/M.I.S.
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RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

Why don't you host it yourself?

John

-Original Message-
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Of James E Harvey
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:44 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

I've found one local provider, DE Jazzd,
http://www.dejazzd.com/hosting/plans/shared.php and they have a plan that
supports FoxPro tables  dlls.

We're not doing anything in that area currently, but it's nice to know we
could when we decide to go that route.

James E Harvey
Corresponding Officer/M.I.S.
bus: 717-637-8931
fax: 717-637-6766

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Of Kristyne McDaniel
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:29 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

Kevin,

The only issue would be if your FP site has data connections to a database
that is not supported, or if the extensions are older than the ones your
code is written to support.

I've got sites that are using FP on Unix that have been running that way for
many years. 

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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On 2/6/07, john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 They have kept me alive for a long time!

Surebut only because...
A police officer reaching for his gun is a rather rare event over
here...most of them only had to use it at a shooting range...

A+
jml


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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On 2/6/07, john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The French were just waiting to surrender, but were to lazy to go to
 Germany!

 John

I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT
French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm
NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT
French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm
NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French,I'm NOT French

btw we kept them at bay for about 18 days...against all odds.

A+
jml


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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

Well, it was a daily occurrence over here. Of course, I spent a lot of time
doing extractions from homes and businesses, so it was gun out, kick door,
get low, sweep the house!

John

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Jean Laeremans
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:53 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On 2/6/07, john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 They have kept me alive for a long time!

Surebut only because...
A police officer reaching for his gun is a rather rare event over
here...most of them only had to use it at a shooting range...

A+
jml


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RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

I'm too old, too tired, too busy, too ... :)


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fax: 717-637-6766

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Why don't you host it yourself?

John

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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:44 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

I've found one local provider, DE Jazzd,
http://www.dejazzd.com/hosting/plans/shared.php and they have a plan that
supports FoxPro tables  dlls.

We're not doing anything in that area currently, but it's nice to know we
could when we decide to go that route.

James E Harvey
Corresponding Officer/M.I.S.
bus: 717-637-8931
fax: 717-637-6766

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Kristyne McDaniel
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:29 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

Kevin,

The only issue would be if your FP site has data connections to a database
that is not supported, or if the extensions are older than the ones your
code is written to support.

I've got sites that are using FP on Unix that have been running that way for
many years. 




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RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

Then you may become too dissatisfied too. I'm not REALLY a control freak, it
just seems that way! I wouldn't even think about putting my eggs in someone
else's server. At least, not if I had my core business running off it.

John

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Of James E Harvey
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:00 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

I'm too old, too tired, too busy, too ... :)


James E Harvey
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fax: 717-637-6766

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Why don't you host it yourself?

John

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Of James E Harvey
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:44 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

I've found one local provider, DE Jazzd,
http://www.dejazzd.com/hosting/plans/shared.php and they have a plan that
supports FoxPro tables  dlls.

We're not doing anything in that area currently, but it's nice to know we
could when we decide to go that route.

James E Harvey
Corresponding Officer/M.I.S.
bus: 717-637-8931
fax: 717-637-6766

-Original Message-
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Of Kristyne McDaniel
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:29 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

Kevin,

The only issue would be if your FP site has data connections to a database
that is not supported, or if the extensions are older than the ones your
code is written to support.

I've got sites that are using FP on Unix that have been running that way for
many years. 




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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On 2/6/07, john harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, it was a daily occurrence over here. Of course, I spent a lot of time
 doing extractions from homes and businesses, so it was gun out, kick door,
 get low, sweep the house!

 John

So you think those things - unfortunately - don't happen here ?
But without the gun display oc

A+
jml


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Re: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?

On Feb 6, 2007, at 5:00 PM, john harvey wrote:

 The crime and violence in the old west was greatly exaggerated in  
 the
 movies and tv. Gunslingers sometimes even had shootouts where  
 nobody got
 shot. Iraq is a different place. Look at where the most crime  
 occurs in the
 US, and you'll see that the worst places are those where it is  
 illegal for
 most citizens to have guns.

I think it's the other way around. Most of the places where owning  
certain types of guns is restricted is precisely because of the high  
violence those places experienced *before* such laws were put in  
place. You are trying to make it sound as if things were nice and  
peaceful before those restrictions were put in place, and then the  
crime and violence erupted.

Most of the worst places are the ones with the highest population  
densities. This is true in countries where guns are common, like the  
US, and where they aren't, such as most European cities. Compare the  
rates of fatal crimes in both areas to get an idea of just how useful  
guns are to keeping us safe.

BTW, I'm all for gun ownership. I just believe that not all guns are  
the same. Handguns have no purpose other than killing people. The  
same is true for the high-output weapons commonly referred to as  
assault weapons. Ownership of both of these types of guns is linked  
to increased crime. Rifles, shotguns, and the like, OTOH, do indeed  
have legitimate uses, and ownership of such weapons is not linked to  
higher levels of crime.

-- Ed Leafe
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RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

You have a point regards being dissatisfied, we've never been totally happy,
but I don't have enough knowledge to begin to even think about how to setup
a web server.

Also, our ISP is Comcast, and I hate even the thought of contacting them
about getting enough bandwidth to properly run the site.

James E Harvey
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fax: 717-637-6766

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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:05 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

Then you may become too dissatisfied too. I'm not REALLY a control freak, it
just seems that way! I wouldn't even think about putting my eggs in someone
else's server. At least, not if I had my core business running off it.

John

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Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:00 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

I'm too old, too tired, too busy, too ... :)


James E Harvey
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Why don't you host it yourself?

John

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Of James E Harvey
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:44 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

I've found one local provider, DE Jazzd,
http://www.dejazzd.com/hosting/plans/shared.php and they have a plan that
supports FoxPro tables  dlls.

We're not doing anything in that area currently, but it's nice to know we
could when we decide to go that route.

James E Harvey
Corresponding Officer/M.I.S.
bus: 717-637-8931
fax: 717-637-6766

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Of Kristyne McDaniel
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:29 PM
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Subject: RE: [NF] Front Page on Unix

Kevin,

The only issue would be if your FP site has data connections to a database
that is not supported, or if the extensions are older than the ones your
code is written to support.

I've got sites that are using FP on Unix that have been running that way for
many years. 




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RE: [OT] Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?