Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!
At 06:19 PM 9/24/2008 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: Charlie Coleman wrote: At 04:45 PM 9/24/2008 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: ... Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is Really? I hadn't heard that (we're talking about macro evolution, right?). I think the only branch of science that currently supports macro evolution is biology (not by evidence, but by by trying to show how things might have evolved by looking at genetic similarities). Archeology and mathematics do not currently support evolution. Hi Charlie! Macro and micro. When Adam and Eve left the Garden of Eden they found - other people. Where did those other people come from if not from evolution? Either the chosen people or the evolved people are eligible for inclusion in the modern Church, needing only to believe. Hmm. I don't think I've heard that interpretation of Gensis before. I'll have to ask around about it. I think the traditional interpretation is that girls were not listed in the birth records of Adam and Eve (old Hebrew practice). Or, I think I recall a discussion about Cain breeding with Neanderthal-like women. But even those were created by God, not evolved from dirt. The problem I have is that evolution (macro) is currently not founded on sound science. Looking at the details of biology, the proponents say things like ...see this gene? it could have come from this other gene seen in this lower life form because the shape/function/chemical is similar... but can't duplicate or even explain the process under controlled environments. Darwin himself expected the fossil record to be mostly filled in many decades ago - and to him, if it wasn't, he believed his own theory would be wrong. Then, in the area of probability theory, the chance of having what we have now through random events in genetics is so small (incredibly minuscule), mathematician laugh at the Theory of Evolution. Still, given all that, there is a strong undercurrent in the scientific community that if you raise a challenge to Evolution, you get chastised and ridiculed harshly (which is, in itself a bit odd... supposedly, science has evolved past the dark ages and should invite criticisms - not so in regards to Evolution). I'm not saying that God could not have used Evolution, but based on what I've researched so far it looks like He did not. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!
Charlie Coleman wrote: Macro and micro. When Adam and Eve left the Garden of Eden they found - other people. Where did those other people come from if not from evolution? Either the chosen people or the evolved people are eligible for inclusion in the modern Church, needing only to believe. Hmm. I don't think I've heard that interpretation of Gensis before. I'll have to ask around about it. I think the traditional interpretation is that girls were not listed in the birth records of Adam and Eve Hi Charlie! My interpretation could be original, I haven't heard it before either. Think, would you want Cain inbreeding with his sister? (Gen 4:17). I think it is logical to assume that Cain met his wife in the land of Nod, east of Eden, and she was not his sister. She would not have had to have been a Neanderthal, either, it was only what, 10,000 years ago at the outside, probably more like 6,000. She was probably evolved to the same level of humanity as Adam was created. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Do you believe on all that crap? HW On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the traditional interpretation is that girls were not listed in the birth records of Adam and Eve (old Hebrew practice). Or, I think I recall a discussion about Cain breeding with Neanderthal-like women. But even those were created by God, not evolved from dirt. -- Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges. - Tacitus, The Annals of Imperial Rome. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Helio Wakasugui wrote: Do you believe on all that crap? HW On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the traditional interpretation is that girls were not listed in the birth records of Adam and Eve (old Hebrew practice). I'm pretty certain that Birth Records have been proven to exist, beyond a reasonable doubt, Helio. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!
These are clearly deranged people: http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=5ccmRuCpFjY HW On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helio Wakasugui wrote: Do you believe on all that crap? HW On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Charlie Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the traditional interpretation is that girls were not listed in the birth records of Adam and Eve (old Hebrew practice). I'm pretty certain that Birth Records have been proven to exist, beyond a reasonable doubt, Helio. [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Helio Wakasugui wrote: These are clearly deranged people: http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=5ccmRuCpFjY Hi Helio! It is a ritual. Some time visit a traditional Catholic church Latin Mass or a Greek Orthodox Church Service or attend a Jewish Wedding. The groom breaks one of the drinking glasses, for heaven's sake. Are there no rituals in the Japanese religions? In all these cases, people finish what they do there and walk out completely normal. If I live on your block or work in the next cubical we don't have to go to the same church! Do you believe on all that crap? I think the traditional interpretation is that girls were not listed in the birth records of Adam and Eve (old Hebrew practice). I'm pretty certain that Birth Records have been proven to exist, beyond a reasonable doubt, Helio. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Wow, she believes in Jesus. How awful. I guess I better vote for the Muslim then. Now I am become Death, the destroyer of Democrats. - Sarah Palin, Sept 4, 2008 Right Wing Mike http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Atheists LIED To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 9:48 PM Helio Wakasugui wrote: These are clearly deranged people: http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=5ccmRuCpFjY Hi Helio! It is a ritual. Some time visit a traditional Catholic church Latin Mass or a Greek Orthodox Church Service or attend a Jewish Wedding. The groom breaks one of the drinking glasses, for heaven's sake. Are there no rituals in the Japanese religions? In all these cases, people finish what they do there and walk out completely normal. If I live on your block or work in the next cubical we don't have to go to the same church! Do you believe on all that crap? I think the traditional interpretation is that girls were not listed in the birth records of Adam and Eve (old Hebrew practice). I'm pretty certain that Birth Records have been proven to exist, beyond a reasonable doubt, Helio. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
[OT] Atheists LIED!!!!
Hi Everybody! http://www.doesgodexist.org/Charts/EvidenceForDesignInTheUniverse.html -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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http://www.doesgodexist.org/Charts/EvidenceForDesignInTheUniverse.html Actually, are they lying themselves, or just repeating a lie they've accepted? -- Larry Miller --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) message/rfc822 --- ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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You're talking about religious ignoramuses, right? HW On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.doesgodexist.org/Charts/EvidenceForDesignInTheUniverse.html Actually, are they lying themselves, or just repeating a lie they've accepted? -- Larry Miller --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) message/rfc822 --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Yes, someone who believes in nothing is smart, someone who believes in something is an ignoramus. Now I am become Death, the destroyer of Democrats. - Sarah Palin, Sept 4, 2008 Right Wing Mike http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Helio Wakasugui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Helio Wakasugui [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] Atheists LIED To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:01 PM You're talking about religious ignoramuses, right? HW On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.doesgodexist.org/Charts/EvidenceForDesignInTheUniverse.html Actually, are they lying themselves, or just repeating a lie they've accepted? -- Larry Miller --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/mixed text/plain (text body -- kept) message/rfc822 --- [excessive quoting removed by server] ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.doesgodexist.org/Charts/EvidenceForDesignInTheUniverse.html Actually, are they lying themselves, or just repeating a lie they've accepted? I looked at that site. Assuming for sake of argument that all items on it are true, the only thing it shows is that life as we know it can only happen within certain narrow parameters. Therefore, we can expect a large percentage of planets to not contain life, and only a very small percentage able to support life. Nothing in that refutes what scientists, Atheist or not, have been saying all along. Of course, it doesn't dis-prove God either. It's entirely possible that the most energy efficient way for an omnipotent being to create life really is by smashing galaxies together. (I'm not being facetious) I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it occurs within fairly narrow boundaries. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Vince Teachout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it occurs within fairly narrow boundaries. But given the fact there are uncountable possibilities anything is possible... A+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Jean Laeremans wrote: I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it occurs within fairly narrow boundaries. But given the fact there are uncountable possibilities anything is possible... The two statements above in no way conflict with each other. ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Vince Teachout wrote: I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it occurs within fairly narrow boundaries. Hi Vince! Yes. The obvious question, though, could the narrow boundaries have been achieved by chance or do they require intelligent design? The As say that one day, poof, there it all was, the non-As say it had to be a omnisciently intelligent poof or a poof with someone omnisciently intelligent behind it, and it could have taken seven days or even a long time. Or seven days could be Bible code for an undefined period. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!
On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Vince Teachout wrote: I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it occurs within fairly narrow boundaries. It the anthropic principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle ), restated in a twisted fashion to support creationist arguments. Of course, accepting these arguments would also require accepting evolution, since that flows from these assumptions. -- Ed Leafe ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Ed Leafe wrote: On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Vince Teachout wrote: I don't think that table shows anything other than life as we know it occurs within fairly narrow boundaries. It the anthropic principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle ), restated in a twisted fashion to support creationist arguments. Of course, accepting these arguments would also require accepting evolution, since that flows from these assumptions. Hi Ed! Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is not affected by evolution, no matter where evolution goes. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is not affected by evolution, no matter where evolution goes. -- Look up to ramble a+ jml ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Jean Laeremans wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:45 PM, Pete Theisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is not affected by evolution, no matter where evolution goes. -- Look up to ramble Hi Jean! Exactly, science will never find the first cause because the first cause is only approachable by philosophy or religion. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
Re: [OT] Atheists LIED!!!!
At 04:45 PM 9/24/2008 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: ... Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is ... Really? I hadn't heard that (we're talking about macro evolution, right?). I think the only branch of science that currently supports macro evolution is biology (not by evidence, but by by trying to show how things might have evolved by looking at genetic similarities). Archeology and mathematics do not currently support evolution. I used to think that evolution was highly grounded in science as well. But based on what I've learned over the years, it really does look more and more like a secular religion as time goes on. I do agree with you though that even if evolution (macro evolution) eventually does gain more support in the fossil record, and/or in probability theory, it still may never adequately address the first cause aspect you mention. -Charlie ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
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Charlie Coleman wrote: At 04:45 PM 9/24/2008 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: ... Evolution is scientifically demonstrable, as I learned in Catholic school and studied further in Catholic university. The first cause is Really? I hadn't heard that (we're talking about macro evolution, right?). I think the only branch of science that currently supports macro evolution is biology (not by evidence, but by by trying to show how things might have evolved by looking at genetic similarities). Archeology and mathematics do not currently support evolution. Hi Charlie! Macro and micro. When Adam and Eve left the Garden of Eden they found - other people. Where did those other people come from if not from evolution? Either the chosen people or the evolved people are eligible for inclusion in the modern Church, needing only to believe. Then there are the beans and fruit flies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils http://www.palaeos.com/Invertebrates/Deuterostomia/Vetulicolia.html Maybe more than you care to know :-) -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
