SV: [PEDA] Message to Altium !!!
OK, maybe I should say that I'd LIKE to upgrade - due to the fact that new functionality will not be developed for the P99SE but on the DXP insted. But for sure: I will NOT upgrade as long the global change thing isn't as good as in P99SE (my opinion - I'm sure I share it with numerous others) P. -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 13. oktober 2004 01:31 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] Message to Altium !!! On 07:46 AM 13/10/2004, Peder K. Hellegaard said: Thank you Joe. However, I have no problems sticking with P99SE - Altium need the money more than I need DXP. They have made absolutely no improvements to their core capabilities: PCB routing. Peder, Why do you want to change to DXP2004 then? (You mentioned that you would like to upgrade in your first message in the thread, as long as they restored the old globals.) Ian Wilson I am a user of P99SE and I would like to upgrade to DXP2004..BUT NOT UNTIL YOU REINTRODUCE THE GLOBAL CHANGE OPTIONS AS IN P99SE. Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search previous postings: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[PEDA] Message to Altium !!!
I am a user of P99SE and I would like to upgrade to DXP2004..BUT NOT UNTIL YOU REINTRODUCE THE GLOBAL CHANGE OPTIONS AS IN P99SE. Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: Message to Altium !!!
Thank you Joe. However, I have no problems sticking with P99SE - Altium need the money more than I need DXP. They have made absolutely no improvements to their core capabilities: PCB routing. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 12. oktober 2004 23:13 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] Message to Altium !!! Good luck - Original Message - From: Peder K. Hellegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:10 PM Subject: [PEDA] Message to Altium !!! I am a user of P99SE and I would like to upgrade to DXP2004..BUT NOT UNTIL YOU REINTRODUCE THE GLOBAL CHANGE OPTIONS AS IN P99SE. Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Mini DIN footprint
Hi everyone. Anybody who knows if there is any official standard pin numbering for the MIN DIN sockets ? I ask due to the fact that I have seen 3 different ways of numbering, from 3 different vendors. Have a nice day Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation?
You can rest assured that the people at Pulsonix really do what they promise. My company used to resell their products so I have been working with them closely. In addition, they make very stable software. However, as you all know, it is software and there are no software 100% bugfree. If you find a bug in the Pulsonix tools and report it to them, you typically get a bugfix within a few hours. I know it sounds too good to be true, but it's the facts. PS: I do NOT get paid to tell you these things, they are very serious. Med venlig hilsen / Best regards from Peder Hellegaard Mediatronic Engineering ApS Kisumvej 9 7800 Skive Denmark Tel: +45 9616 6192 Fax: +45 9616 6120 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.mediatronic.dk http://www.mediatronic.dk/ == -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 10. april 2004 23:23 Til: 'Protel EDA Forum' Emne: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? -Original Message- From: Matt Pobursky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 2:06 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Good schematic/PCB development suite recommendation? I took a look at the Pulsonix website today and I must say I'm impressed. They seem to have put together a package that does what 90% of engineers and PCB designers I talk to need. The price seems reasonable too. If their tools work as advertised, I think Altium has much to fear. It's $6495, not much different from 2004 and includes a lot less. It seems like they don't do slots either: http://www.pulsonix.com/FAQ/0001_ComponentSlots.htm * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil)
Ditto. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Paolo Morgano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 29. marts 2004 07:35 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil) So am I. Paolo - Original Message - From: Tom Luttrell PWRCOM [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil) Interested indeed. Tom. - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick To: Protel EDA Forum Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: [PEDA] Data line transformers (was: Antenna coil) My first test PCB printed with data line transformers is coming next month, no electrical connection from A side to B side. Is anybody interested? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Using the Equalize net lengts function
Hi, and Happy New Year to all of you. In the near future I am going to layout a board (in Protel 99SE) with high speed digital signals (PC motherboard). The tracks in some of the buses must be of same length due to the high speeds and I must use the Equalize Net Lengts function. Anybody who has experiences using this function and maybe have some hints for optimising for best results ?? Regards Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: SV: SV: Mirrored components in P99SE
Hello. Always horizontal mirroring. I create the footprints like I always have done (I've used Protel tools since 1989 approx). Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Bevan Weiss [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. oktober 2003 13:24 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: SV: Mirrored components in P99SE What kind of mirroring are you actually talking about? horizontal or vertical? And how are you creating your PCB footprint? should be with pin 1 (of say a DIP) in the upper left hand corner Then when you place the footprint on the top layer of your board pin 1 will again be in the upper left hand corner. If you place it on the bottom layer of the board then pin 1 will now be on the upper right hand corner. If pin 1 is ever in a lowre corner then you have rotated the component before placing it. You haven't really given much information to go on, so we're really all just guessing at what it could possible be. - Original Message - From: Peder K. Hellegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: [PEDA] SV: SV: Mirrored components in P99SE That is NOT the problem. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Mattias Ericson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. oktober 2003 12:49 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: Mirrored components in P99SE It could be the old mirror problem you see. If you press x or y when you have the component floating during a movement you can mirror a component. But components don't have a mirror property it will just mirror all primitives. This is a bug or at least a bad feature. You will however get a warning if you try to mirror using x and y. If you make an update from library it should fix it if it is this problem you see. Best Regards Mattias -- Mattias Ericson Omnisys Instruments AB Gruvgatan 8 SE-421 30 V stra Fr lunda, SWEDEN Phone: +46 31 734 34 08 Fax: +46 31 734 34 29 http://www.omnisys.se Peder K. Hellegaard wrote: No, - that is not case. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Emanuel Zimmermann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. oktober 2003 12:22 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] Mirrored components in P99SE Peder, I know it sounds simple but could it be that for whatever reason you are placing your component on the bottom side of the PCB? Regards, Emanuel --- MPL AG www.mpl.ch Emanuel Zimmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager RD Phone: +41 56 483'34'34 Taefernstrasse 20 Fax: +41 56 493'30'20 CH-5405 Daettwil --- Peder K. Hellegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08.10.2003 10:51:09: Hi everyone. I have problems with mirrored components. When I have created a new footprint in the PCB library editor and I subsequently turn to the PCB layout editor to use this footprint, the component/footprint is mirrored compared to the one I created in the library editor Anyone who knows what is going on ? Peter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Mirrored components in P99SE
Hi everyone. I have problems with mirrored components. When I have created a new footprint in the PCB library editor and I subsequently turn to the PCB layout editor to use this footprint, the component/footprint is mirrored compared to the one I created in the library editor Anyone who knows what is going on ? Peter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: SV: SV: Mirrored components in P99SE
It's not a consistent problem. Sometimes it does it, other times not. It is not all components. They are not mirrored to the other side of the board but are always on the original side. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Steve Wiseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 8. oktober 2003 13:35 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: SV: Mirrored components in P99SE 08/10/2003 12:00:40, Peder K. Hellegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is NOT the problem. Do other parts from the library do the same thing? (this is really odd - I've not met it before - although I do still get weirdnesses with components being on the 'wrong' side of teh board - all the primitives are on the top, ubt Protel swears blind the component's on the bottom, and it takes database editing to fix. ) When things get really, really weird, I generally restart Protel and have a cup of coffee. Sometimes the restart helps. Sometimes the coffee does. Steve * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Identical circuits in DXP
Hi. I have made an SCH design in P99SE with 7 identical channels/subcircuits. The components are designated in accordance with the convention Circuit1: R100, R101...C100, C101 etc. Circuit2: R200, R201...C200, C201 etc. Circuit3: R300, R301...C300, C301 etc. and so on I have placed and routed the first circuit in P99SE. Due to the fact that it isn't very easy to copy the layout/placement in PCB for the remaining 6 circuits, I have borrowed a DXP for trial. Here I import the P99SE design and I want to use the Copy Room formats but after hitting the OK button in the Confirm channel format copy dialoge box, the appropriate room is sized correctly and I receive a message: Updated 0 components in 1 room and nothing else happens. Why aren't the relevant components moved into the room and 'routed' like the source room ? Anyone who has a clue ? Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Routing identical channels in P99SE
Hi. I am going to route a design consisting of 7 identical circuits. They are subcircuits of the main SCH sheet. The components are designated in accordance with the convention Circuit1: R100, R101...C100, C101 etc. Circuit2: R200, R201...C200, C201 etc. Circuit3: R300, R301...C300, C301 etc. and so on I have now placed and routed one of these circuits. Anyone who knows how to automatically place and route the remaining 6 circuits so they will be identical to th eone I routed manually ? Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Any layout specific enhancements in DXP
Hi folks. Are there any layout specific (PCB) enhancements (interactive routing especially) in DXP compared to Protel 99SE SP6 ? If so, are these worth spending money for upgrading ? Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Template for the PCIX standard
Hi Anyone who has a template for the PCI X bus or know where to find it. Thank you in advance. Med venlig hilsen / Best regards from Peder Hellegaard Mediatronic Engineering ApS Tel: +45 9616 6192 Fax: +45 9616 6120 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.mediatronic.dk == * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: Template for the PCIX standard
No, the formfactor IS different. Maybe you know where to find such information Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: John A. Ross [Design] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 30. juni 2003 13:38 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] Template for the PCIX standard -Original Message- From: Peder K. Hellegaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Template for the PCIX standard Hi Anyone who has a template for the PCI X bus or know where to find it. Peder I might be wrong but I thought PCI-X boards had same form factor as PCI ones but with some special considerations to some pins (38b I think) and also some timing/voltage signalling issues which are slightly different from PCI22. Was PCI-X not just an amendment to PCI2.2 Best Regards John A. Ross RSD Communications Ltd 8 BorrowMeadow Road Springkerse Industrial Estate Stirling, Scotland FK7 7UW Tel +44 [0]1786 450572 Ext 225 (Office) Tel +44 [0]1786 450572 Ext 248 (Lab) Fax +44 [0]1786 474653 GSM +44 [0]7831 373727 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW http://www.rsd.tv == Thank you in advance. Med venlig hilsen / Best regards from Peder Hellegaard Mediatronic Engineering ApS Tel: +45 9616 6192 Fax: +45 9616 6120 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.mediatronic.dk == * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] PCI-X bus
Anyone who has a template for the PCI-X bus ? Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: OrCad to Protel
Your attitude only tells one thing: You are experiencing an error 40 (40 cm behind the keyboard=you). I have worked with Protel for approx 15 years now and I have never experienced that kind of problems. It does hierachical design witout any problems. I think your problem is you. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 20. juni 2003 11:41 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] OrCad to Protel Strange this, I am going in exactly the opposite direction. I used Orcad for 8 yrs until my present job introduced me to Protel. I am crowing with delight now that the firm has cut a deal with Cadence. Protel has got the look and feel right and Orcad is undeniably clunky but I still can't believe that any professional app could be as unreliable as Protel. Crashes frequently and thoroughly, can't do hierarchy properly, can't screen single pin nets ( very embarrasing ), leaves routes hanging unconnected without warning, cannot reconnect a netlist to routes competently. The SI tools are very fragile and do strange things without warning, there is no documentation to properly describe the workings of the SI tools... (ie the calculation engine(s)). I have no idea without doing experimental work as to how much of the SI output is true ( again, embarrasing ). It was as though the authors got so far and then gave up. They did all the up front look and feel stuff but forgot the really important hard edges. No way has my experience with Protel given me the slightest desire to try DXP. I am on my last Protel project now and it is Orcad and Specctra from now on... yippee!! Website Visitor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: proteledaforum [EMAIL PROTECTED] ervinc.com cc: Subject: [PEDA] OrCad to Protel 19-Jun-2003 03:17 PM Please respond to Protel EDA Forum Hi all, I used to use Protel 99SE about 3 years ago. Then with a new job, the company has Orcad. I've been using Orcad now for the 3 years and I am absolutely disgusted with it. I'm trying to convince management to go to Protel. All I wanted to know is how everyone feels about the new Protel DXP. I really want to switch back to Protel and any info would be great! Thanks for the replies Evi Posted from Association web site by: Evi Tomaskovic * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Protel 99SE for sale
I have a complete Protel 99SE for sale. License doesn't qualify for a free DXP upgrade. Price: EUR 1.500,- (USD 1.775,-) Please respond offline to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Peter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Protel 99SE for sale
Hi. Anybody who is interested in a complete Protel 99SE. Doesn't qualify for a free DXP upgrade. Price: EUR 2000,- Please respond offline to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Netlist translator
Anyone who has an RSI Omninet netlist translator for sale ? Please respond offline to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Protel 99SE for sale
Protel 99SE with all modules for sale. Does not quailify for free DXP upgrade. Price: USD/EUR 2.000,- Please respond offline to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards from Peter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: [Urgent] A Question About Place polygon ..... Protel 99SE SP6 .
Try to change the settings of track width, grid size and hatching style in the polygone plane setup dialog window. Especially decreasing the values usually helps. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Luo [mailto:Luo] Sendt: 20. januar 2003 10:13 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: [PEDA] [Urgent] A Question About Place polygon . Protel 99SE SP6 . Prioritet: H j This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C2C064.13AB6F20 --_=_NextPart_001_01C2C064.13AB6F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Dear All, Just now, I am working on a 10 layers board, Layer construction is 1+4b+4b+1, when I try to place polygon on middle layer6 and middle layer 7, the polygon can not match the via, arc and track well, leave so many and so big holes on the layer, but there is no problem when I place the polygon on other layers. The schedule is so tight, Does anyone can show me why? I had met this problem before, but today it is terrible, and it is so hard to mend. Thanks a lot! Best Regards, Luo. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Protel 99SE for sale
Complete Protel 99SE with all modules for sale. Does not qualify for free DXP upgrade. Price: USD / EUR 2.500,- Peter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] High Voltage power supply
Anyone who knows where to find schematics for high voltage (low current) power supplies, preferably designed with a series of voltage doublers ? Thanks in advance.. Peter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: High Voltage power supply
8kV is needed.. -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 15. januar 2003 23:03 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] High Voltage power supply How high? 25Kv, 100Kv? Or, 600v. In both cases, a flyback will probably be the cheapest most cost effective. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Peder K. Hellegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: [PEDA] High Voltage power supply Anyone who knows where to find schematics for high voltage (low current) power supplies, preferably designed with a series of voltage doublers ? Thanks in advance.. Peter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Netlist translator
Anyone who has a RSI netlist translator for sale or copy ? Please respond offline to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: position dialog - Is it repeating on you, too?
Me too. Damn annoying.. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 22. november 2002 11:08 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] position dialog - Is it repeating on you, too? Hi, Is anybody else seeing repeated messages from Mr. Haddy? I get one about every ten minutes! Steve -Original Message- From: John Haddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 22 November 2002 08:00 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog It's not on my menu either, so it's not an isolated case! John Haddy -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 6:23 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog Not necessarily. Since all the menus are configurable, someone possibly could have removed it from your setup. It also could have been wiped out on its own. I've seen this with a custom menu item I've added. At some point it just 'went away' and I had to add it again. (I remember it was Measure/SelectedObjects) -Original Message- From: Tim Exley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:59 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog Hmmm ... interesting, because it isn't on my menus, and before anyone asks ... yes, I have service pack 6. I can get to Tools/InteractivePlacement, but there's no PositionComponentText. You guys have obviously installed something which I haven't, that sets up that option. Tim Exley -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 22 November 2002 3:25 p.m. To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog ah so those are the keys i hit! thanks Dennis Saputelli Tony Karavidas wrote: Try: Tools/InteractivePlacement/PositionComponentText. (TIP for short) Tony -Original Message- From: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 5:22 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] position dialog i was proteling (PCB) and flailing away at the keyboard i looked up to see a dialog i had never seen before! i don't know the key sequence was anymore it was a kind of cool looking _graphical representation_ of the the autopositioning options for the designator and comment ok, it's only slightly cool looking i couldn't recreate the keys or find it on a menu but the process may be invoked by: PCB:AutopositionComponentTexts when called without parameters it appears to operate on selected objects i know this capability is in the drop lists of the edit comp dialogs, but i never saw this window before wiring it to hot key looks faster and friendlier than the other method have i missed it somewhere? wonder what else is in there under the hood? Dennis Saputelli -- __ _ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Protel 99SE license for sale
[PEDA] Exporting Protel 99SE Library files
[PEDA] SV: SV: An IPL to Protel footprint converter - step #2
Brian, I understand you can't spend a lot of time with the lack of interest. However, I am willing to pay for it, - I just need to have the job done. On the other hand, the lack of interest is surprising me. I know the IPL format is commonly used by several vendors but the technical aspects I can't tell. Please let me know if you will make it being paied. If not, I need to find another person/company to do it. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 18. september 2002 21:28 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: An IPL to Protel footprint converter - step #2 I'm sorry Peder K. Hellegaard, But, no one seems to have interest in the foot print converter. It would be odd for me to make a public domain translator when you would be the only user. My 4 questions were very general I would have done the leg work myself, but, with so little interest, it seems that the IPL standard is not considered any useful. Or, at least to Protel users... I hope my other Protel scripts can help you out. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] (514) 624-4003 - Original Message - From: Peder K. Hellegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:02 AM Subject: [PEDA] SV: An IPL to Protel footprint converter - step #2 FOR GODS SAKE, - HELP THE MAN OUT I do ofcourse say that since I first asked for the tool. There are many skilled guys out there with the information nedded. Peder Hellegaard -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 16. september 2002 22:26 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] An IPL to Protel footprint converter - step #2 OK, I want to make a decision whether or not to proceed make the 'IPL-2-Protel.bas' footprint converter. I've decided that I will do it, or not, this weekend. I still need my main questions answered, otherwise, I will not proceeded. Re-read, I've added some comments... -- Q1: Is IPL the adopted standard that IC manufactures will use for footprint distribution? Or is it something I would only end up using If I owned another cad package like Orcad for translation to Protel... Q2: Does the IPL standard create a schematic library component as well? This would be the most useful for me. It would require names for the pins within the IPL file. Coordinates would also be helpful, but, I'm sure I can still synthesize a pin positioning algorithm. Q4: Are there any competing standards emerging? EG, maybe I should make a Gerber2Protel footprint converter. It would take the Gerber footprint, number out the pins based on location. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] (514) 624-4003 - Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint converter - step #2 OK, step #2 before I start. I took a look at the sample IPL files which Peder K. Hellegaard has sent me. There shouldn't be any problems synthesizing a translator. Though I've heard of IPL through this forum, it is completely new to me. I have yet to see any supplied IPL footprints by any IC manufactures. Before I start, I need to know a few things: Q1: Is IPL the adopted standard that IC manufactures will use for footprint distribution? Or is it something I would only end up using If I owned another cad package like Orcad for translation to Protel... Q2: Does the IPL standard create a schematic library component as well? Q3: I noticed that these sample files do not contain a '.suffix'. Just a '-s'. Is this standard? Q4: Are there any competing standards emerging? Thing I need to continue: I need a bunch of IPL components decoded within another cad package converted to Gerber for comparison. Just 1 Gerber with 1 part at a time for comparison. Anyone out there who can do this, please email me zipped examples to my new hotmail account: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like links to component manufactures publicly posted IPL files .pdf docs so I may further test the converter. Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] (514) 624-4003 - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint converter Brian sure is building a large You owe me a beer tab around the world! -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 6:33 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Footprint converter
[PEDA] SV: SV: SV: An IPL to Protel footprint converter - step #2
IPL is the output format of the danish EDA system called DDE Supermax. I must, now and then, make pcb designs with Protel99, based on the output from the DDE system Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Dennis Saputelli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 19. september 2002 17:43 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: SV: An IPL to Protel footprint converter - step #2 can you tell us more about what IPL is and what it offers and why you must have it? maybe we all need it and don't know! Dennis Saputelli Peder K. Hellegaard wrote: Brian, I understand you can't spend a lot of time with the lack of interest. However, I am willing to pay for it, - I just need to have the job done. On the other hand, the lack of interest is surprising me. I know the IPL format is commonly used by several vendors but the technical aspects I can't tell. Please let me know if you will make it being paied. If not, I need to find another person/company to do it. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 18. september 2002 21:28 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: An IPL to Protel footprint converter - step #2 I'm sorry Peder K. Hellegaard, But, no one seems to have interest in the foot print converter. It would be odd for me to make a public domain translator when you would be the only user. My 4 questions were very general I would have done the leg work myself, but, with so little interest, it seems that the IPL standard is not considered any useful. Or, at least to Protel users... I hope my other Protel scripts can help you out. -- ___ www.integratedcontrolsinc.comIntegrated Controls, Inc. tel: 415-647-04802851 21st Street fax: 415-647-3003San Francisco, CA 94110 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Footprint converter
[PEDA] SV: Hard Look at other Programms
Do yourself a favour: Take a look at the relative new tool called PULSONIX (www.pulsonix.com) Those guys are very serious and the package is low priced but with very good functionality and not to forget: Very stable. In addition, if a user finds a bug (it is software though) and reports it, it is usually fixed within a few hours (and this is the fact) and the user receives the updated files. This is the customer care you always has been looking for. The Pulsonix EDA tool imports design files AND library files from a lot of other EDA tools, and this also works perfectly. From a former Protel VAR -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 4. september 2002 14:48 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: [PEDA] Hard Look at other Programms Dennis and Waldemar wrote here is one more guy who want to know what you will find out looking for other EDA Software. The Programs I found where either very expensive (unpayable for me) Here is what I have found so far: Orcad PCB: users satisfied with Orcad until Cadence purchased Orcad . OrCad PCB may have licensed routing code and other code from Protel and vice versa, The interfaces are very similar. Also similar in functionality and price, and features. Protel 99SE has an edge with more layers, generally more capability. Both are in the same price range. Both are good capable programs. Cadence has not done much to improve ORCAD layout since purchasing it. Don't look for good support from Orcad unless you plan to drop Orcad layout and upgrade to Cadence tools. Orcad also shares the same buggy autorouter, but the Orcad users I talked to don't know the difference. Maybe Orcad debugged their router. If you want to make OrCad work properly, you need Spectra. PADS/INOVEDA/now MENTOR: Lets face it this is DOS code dressed up to look like a windows program the same approach that Acad did with their programs. It is fairly stable. Commands are awkward, looks like it was designed by Unix programmers. While awkward and limited, it is still a good program. I have seen droves, herds, packs, groups, and allof PADS users switch to Cadence in the past year. Maybe they made a mistake and should have switched to MENTOR. To get a real working setup of PADs be ready to spend some money. I doubt if you can seriously do any PCB work (equal to 99SE) for under 30K. Their new router is fair, lets face it Spectra is still king of the hill.I don't know what MENTOR was thinking buying this Product from Inoveda. They were going out of business anyway, so why pay for any money for them.(Sounds like the Accel deal)PADS offers less features at a higher price than MENTORs EXPEDITON did, I'm not sure how Mentor plans to sell a program with less features at a higher price. ( did I repeat myself, sounds like the Accel deal again) MENTOR EXPEDITION: Guys and Gals This is the real McCoy of Software. This is the program everybody but me should be using, This is the yardstick that all tools should be measured to. So why cant I use it ? Be cause I cant import a netlist into it. That is a major hurdle for design bureaus, since we get netlist different sch packages . If your design is in house, both schematics and pcb. There is no better tool. OK you say you cant afford it? 36K with all the bells and whistles. Don't look at how much the tool cost but how much you will save when things are working the way they should. This tool will actually save you money This is VERIBEST software, which I saw several years ago, it was good then and it is better now. I have not seen anything better , period. INTERCEPT: I just spent a few minutes on the phone yesterday with the rep. BUZZ drop them to the gator trap! They use Spectra for routing. OK Spectra is good. If you couple Spectra with Protel, you can probably do a board as good as any piece of software out there except the MENTOR stuff. Cadence: See INTERCEPTcomments with Spectra. Same old trick another day with Spectra. Lets face it if Cadence didn't purchase this software they would have folded years ago. * Tracking #: 0ABD3E4F9E846144B1FEDB6FB5C7FD604A086EB2 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: SV: Hard Look at other Programms
Hi Craig. It's unbelieveable (ofcourse I believe you), - this is not like them. Prices depend on the size of the package, - there are various to chose between. I'd suggest you contact your local reseller or directly the people in UK. If you wan't me to, I can arrange that you are being contacted, - just let me know... Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Craig Elison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 4. september 2002 16:14 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: Hard Look at other Programms You say these people are very serious about their product. I'm not sure. I found their web site the 20th of February. They were offering a free schematic capture. I downloaded it and sent in an email to get the key. I never got it back. Even after several emails. Your comments interested me. I'm ready to dump Protel 99SE and I will not got to DXP. So I hit their site this morning after I saw your reply. First thing is see is they ended the free schematic in March. Still waiting for the key requested in Feb! Price is a big factor for me so the next thing I looked for was their pricing. I went to the sales link. No pricing I could find. I went to More Information. Using their site index for Prices, Trade-in Prices and Upgrade Prices got Page Not Found errors. I'll keep an eye on them, but I'm not going to even try their demo if I don't know the pricing before hand. I could fall in love with it and then find I can't afford it. I also would have wasted my time evaluating the demo. I also didn't find any info on tech support. Do they have phone support? They are in the UK, but I see they have a rep or two in the states. A unhappy Protel user -Original Message- From: Peder K. Hellegaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:20 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] SV: Hard Look at other Programms Do yourself a favour: Take a look at the relative new tool called PULSONIX (www.pulsonix.com) Those guys are very serious and the package is low priced but with very good functionality and not to forget: Very stable. In addition, if a user finds a bug (it is software though) and reports it, it is usually fixed within a few hours (and this is the fact) and the user receives the updated files. This is the customer care you always has been looking for. The Pulsonix EDA tool imports design files AND library files from a lot of other EDA tools, and this also works perfectly. From a former Protel VAR -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Michael Reagan (EDSI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 4. september 2002 14:48 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: [PEDA] Hard Look at other Programms Dennis and Waldemar wrote here is one more guy who want to know what you will find out looking for other EDA Software. The Programs I found where either very expensive (unpayable for me) Here is what I have found so far: Orcad PCB: users satisfied with Orcad until Cadence purchased Orcad . OrCad PCB may have licensed routing code and other code from Protel and vice versa, The interfaces are very similar. Also similar in functionality and price, and features. Protel 99SE has an edge with more layers, generally more capability. Both are in the same price range. Both are good capable programs. Cadence has not done much to improve ORCAD layout since purchasing it. Don't look for good support from Orcad unless you plan to drop Orcad layout and upgrade to Cadence tools. Orcad also shares the same buggy autorouter, but the Orcad users I talked to don't know the difference. Maybe Orcad debugged their router. If you want to make OrCad work properly, you need Spectra. PADS/INOVEDA/now MENTOR: Lets face it this is DOS code dressed up to look like a windows program the same approach that Acad did with their programs. It is fairly stable. Commands are awkward, looks like it was designed by Unix programmers. While awkward and limited, it is still a good program. I have seen droves, herds, packs, groups, and allof PADS users switch to Cadence in the past year. Maybe they made a mistake and should have switched to MENTOR. To get a real working setup of PADs be ready to spend some money. I doubt if you can seriously do any PCB work (equal to 99SE) for under 30K. Their new router is fair, lets face it Spectra is still king of the hill.I don't know what MENTOR was thinking buying this Product from Inoveda. They were going out of business anyway, so why pay for any money for them.(Sounds like the Accel deal)PADS offers less features at a higher price than MENTORs EXPEDITON did, I'm not sure how Mentor plans to sell a program with less features at a higher price. ( did I repeat myself, sounds like the Accel deal again) MENTOR EXPEDITION: Guys and Gals This is the real McCoy of Software. This is the program everybody but me should be using, This is the yardstick that all tools should be measured to. So why cant I use
[PEDA] DXP Variants / version control
[PEDA] Translators
[PEDA] SV: recovering data
Try Orlogix desktop backup (former Veritas). It does the job, is very easy to use and supports a lot of drives directly. -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rich Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 30. april 2002 21:10 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] recovering data Hi Ivan Since Protel DDBs are so huge now, fitting a large project on one CD-R might be a problem. I have yet to see good backup software that will span a backup across multiple CD-R. Anyone know of one? if you store your work on a seperate drive (not your OS drive) like me you can use norton ghost (or similar) to clone the entire drive (or partition) to cd, it will also span to multiple cds if required. rich * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: IPL netlist to Protel
IPL is the netlist format the DDE (danish system) EDA system accepts. -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 22. april 2002 13:51 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] IPL netlist to Protel Peder, Im always the dumb one in the groupWhat is IPL Mike Reagan - Original Message - From: Peder K. Hellegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 3:10 AM Subject: [PEDA] IPL netlist to Protel Hi. Anybody who knows of an add-on or external converter that enables IPL formatted netlists to be loaded into Protel 99SE ?? Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] IPL netlist to Protel
[PEDA] SV: Tasking software
Neither have I. Peter (Denmark) -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Ted Tontis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 3. april 2002 15:36 Til: 'Protel EDA Forum' Emne: Re: [PEDA] Tasking software I have not received my copy yet. Ted, Milwaukee WI -Original Message- From: Burt Bicksler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 6:40 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Tasking software Just wondering.. Is anyone else here in the states still waiting for the free Tasking software to show up? Not that it is of extreme value, but still it was promised and I haven't seen it appear yet. Thanks, Burt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] IPL to Protel translator
[PEDA] Translating footprints
[PEDA] Exporting ASCII format
[PEDA] Loading an IPL netlist into Protel
Anybody who knows how to load an IPL netlist into Protel 99SE ? Maybe somebody has a translator ? Best regards from Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: PCB library part
Are all below tools for Protel 99SE SP6 Free Others: SmoothTrackSizeTransitionProtel.bas - generates a track starting at size A and it will shrink, or expand to size B InductorGeneratorProtelScript.bas - Generates continuous 'S' shaped inductors. SpiralGeneratorProtelScript.bas - Spiral shaped inductor generator. QFPfootprintGeneratorScript.bas - Protel ClientBasic script. QFPfootprintGeneratorScript.txt - added documentation. Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: SV: PCB library part
How are the .bas tools installed ?? -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 8. marts 2002 20:58 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: PCB library part P99SE Sp6, Sp5, Sp4, Sp3, Sp2, Sp1, P99, P98 Sp4, Sp3, Sp2, Sp1... You get the Idea. Brian Guralnick - Original Message - From: Peder K. Hellegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: [PEDA] SV: PCB library part | | Are all below tools for Protel 99SE SP6 | | | | Free Others: | SmoothTrackSizeTransitionProtel.bas - generates a track starting at size A | and it | will shrink, or expand to size B | InductorGeneratorProtelScript.bas - Generates continuous 'S' shaped | inductors. | SpiralGeneratorProtelScript.bas - Spiral shaped inductor generator. | QFPfootprintGeneratorScript.bas - Protel ClientBasic script. | QFPfootprintGeneratorScript.txt - added documentation. | | | | | Peder | | * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Placing a complete PCB library on a PCB
Working as a designbureu using Protel I need a server/addon/tool that can place all components in a PCB library on a number of pcb sheets for subsequently printing. Preferbly with an option of automatically indicating the pinnumbers next to the pads and a list with the holesizes used. Anybody who knows of such software ? Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SMD footprints for wavesoldering
Anybody who knows where to find SMD footprints for wavesoldering ? If anyone already has Protel-libraries containing such footprints I would be most appreciated to receive a copy. Peder * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Exporting ASCII
[PEDA] SV: Exporting ASCII
As the matter of fact, what I want to export in ASCII format is the libraries (SCH and PCB). How is that done ?? Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 14. februar 2002 21:19 Til: Protel EDA Forum; Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] Exporting ASCII At 11:38 AM 2/14/2002 -0800, Tony Karavidas wrote: Open the PCB in 99SE, then go to File-Export. The Save as type field has a few options; the last one is Protel PCB 2.8 ASCII file. I'm missing that option. Clues why? Oops, just looked. I kept looking at Save As, not Export Yes, it is there under File/Export. What was taken out was Autotrax export which was still in Protel 98 as I recall. That is quite a decent pause before dropping direct backtranslation support Congratulations, Protel. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: SV: Exporting ASCII
I know I can do it by placing the components on a pcb first but that is very cumbersome when you just want to save a whole library into ascii.. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 14. februar 2002 22:33 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] SV: Exporting ASCII At 10:22 PM 2/14/2002 +0100, Peder K. Hellegaard wrote: As the matter of fact, what I want to export in ASCII format is the libraries (SCH and PCB). How is that done ?? It's been stated recently, maybe even today. Place the parts on a PCB file and export the file. In Protel 2.8 you can create a library from a PCB, just like you can in later versions. I think you might be able to do the same for schematic, but I'm not sure. The schematic file format has not changed for a long time, I'm not sure, but an ASCII save of a Protel 99SE schematic library might be directly readable by Schematic 2.8. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax Easthampton, Massachusetts USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: Win2000
What is PowerCerv ?? Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Jeff Adolphs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 7. februar 2002 16:28 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] Win2000 I had some real problems - but it was a bad RAM card. Now Protel 99SE w/SP6 is running fantastic on Win2000. Note: I do mixed analog/digital 2 layer, 4 layer boards and do not use Autorouting or Simulation software. Even the crappy Compaq IPAQ with Intel Celeron processor is running all my software well. Software being: PowerCerv, AutoCAD 2000, MS Office 2000, MS Outlook, etc. RAM is 326 Meg which is more than I thought I had. Jeff Adolphs Lake Shore Cryotronics, Inc. Westerville, Ohio -Original Message- From: Sean James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:07 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: [PEDA] Win2000 How well does Protel 99SE w/SP 6 work with Win2000? Sean James PCB Designer Telecast Fiber Systems, Inc. 102 Grove Street Worcester, MA 01605 (TEL) 508.754.4858 x33 (FAX) 413.541.6170 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: I fixed the Film too small error
Be sure you have selected Reference to relative origin in the gerber setup Position on film. Ofcourse, your origin must be located near your layout. Med venlig hilsen / Best regards from Peder Hellegaard Mediatronic Kisumvej 9 7800 Skive Denmark Tel: +45 9616 6192 Fax: +45 9616 6120 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.mediatronic.dk http://www.mediatronic.dk/ -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Robison Michael R CNIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 5. februar 2002 21:55 Til: 'Protel EDA Forum' Emne: [PEDA] I fixed the Film too small error hello, i apologize for posting in such haste. i went back and cut the dimensioning graphics and the information box and it generated the gerbers with no problem. there must have been something else there, cuz surely those wouldn't have botched the gerber generation. thanks, miker * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: Polygon at non 45degree angles
While drawing the polygonvertice, press the shift key and hit the space key. This toggles through different routingangles. Peder -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Nicholas Cobb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 16. januar 2002 21:36 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: [PEDA] Polygon at non 45degree angles I'm trying to place a polygon pour and I need it to follow some angles that are at 30 degrees as well as around some arcs. Can anyone please tell me how to do this? Nick Cobb * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: Tasking tools
This one usually helps: Uninstall P99SE and servicepacks. Reboot Remove all instances of '99SE' from the registry. Remove all directories on the harddrive that relates to P99SE Reboot Purge files *99SE*.* in the rootdirectory of your windows installation (c:\winnt or c:\windows) Now install P99SE and servicepacks again. Peder Hellegaard -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Bryn Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 15. januar 2002 13:30 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] Tasking tools I got the same support suggestion for a PCBPrint.dll server failure. Application always hangs if I try to print in W2K on one machine. I also have it on my W2K laptop but don't get the problem. I went through the purge process, reinstalled and got the same problem. I am currently in the process of holding my left arm straight out in front of me, lifting my right leg 45 degrees to the side, tilting my head back and holding the mouse upside down. I have just about the same level of confidence that that will fix the problem. Bryn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/15/2002 3:57:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did anybody yet received the tasking tools, offered for altium ats members some time ago ? Nothing here. As an aside, I asked for help with the problem of crashes during shutdown on W2K (also reported here), and the answer I got was to uninstall Protel, purge all traces from the system, and reinstall. Since it was a brand-new clean install, that advice seems less than helpful - although I'll give it a try as soon as I get a chance. But it seems that ATS is just the same old user support - none. Steve Hendrix -- Name : Bryn Wolfe Title : Robotics Engineer Dept : Texas Robotics Automation Center (TRACLabs) Company: Metrica, Inc Addr : 1012 Hercules Drive Houston, TX 77058-2722 Voice : 281-461-7886 NASA : n/a FAX: 281-461-9550 Web: http://www.traclabs.com Email : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] SV: Using Multiple Vcc for same part
Schematics with hidden powerpins are non-complete documentation and should be abandoned, - therefore: use only components with visible powerpins !!! Med venlig hilsen / Best regards from Peder Hellegaard Mediatronic Kisumvej 9 7800 Skive Denmark E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Dave Babcock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 30. november 2001 16:15 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: [PEDA] Using Multiple Vcc for same part Hi, I am using some logic gates that require a different Vcc value in different areas of my circuit. For example, a fairchild 74VHC00 that I need 5V at one location and 3.3V elsewhere. Since Vcc is a hidden pin it is showing up on the same net. Any way to get around this in schematic or do I need different library parts with different names for the Vcc pin. Regards, Dave Babcock Chief Engineer Cardinal Components, Inc. email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 973-785-1333x565 Fax: 973-785-0053 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Complex to simple
[PEDA] Altium changes.
[PEDA] SV: HP Laser Printer Issue - Extra pages printed
I encountered the same problem with my QMS 6100 color laserprinter which is a postscript printer also. However, this was not related using the Protel software but other programs as well. My solution was: Somewhere in the printerdriver you can chose if you want a CTRL-D sent to the printer, before or after printjobs. When I deselect both options the problem disappears. As the matter of fact I am not aware of what function this CTRL-D has but as long I don't get any errors I really don't care Kindest regards from Peder Hellegaard Mediatronic Kisumvej 9, Ronbjerg 7800 Skive Denmark Tel: +45 9616 6192 Fax: +45 9616 6120 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.mediatronic.dk http://www.mediatronic.dk/ $ -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Terry Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sendt: 26. april 2001 03:30 Til: Protel EDA Forum Emne: Re: [PEDA] HP Laser Printer Issue - Extra pages printed On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:06:27 +1000, Don Ingram wrote: Has anyone had a problem recently ( since SP6 ) with Schematic issuing rubbish at the end of a print cycle? The effect of this is that the desired page is printed correctly but after a timeout period the printer then spits out 2 more pages with an timeout error message on the last page. Sounds like even 1 extra char or so is sent at the end of the print run looking like new data for the next page. Yes exactly the same problem printing to an HP Laser in Postscript. You might check driver options, the error printout is a Postscript thing, I seem to remeber an option (not) to download a Postscript error handler or something. (Just looked in Win 2k and you can set a wait timeout to zero to prevent the time out and error message - I don't know if that fixes the problem or if it screws up the next print job yet). You can also manually reset the printer after the last sheet - saves it spewing a couple of pages a minute later. Cheers, Terry. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
