Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
AH ha My brain ain't mush!!! - Original Message - From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Yeah, 1989. Red box, Protel Autotrax. (I still have a box sitting here!) -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:01 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Darren, I seem to be remembering 89, are you sure on that date or is my brain starting to fade? Joe - Original Message - From: Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Phil, In 1986 that was just called 'Protel PCB' that was the first version I used then. And I never used tape again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Darren -Original Message- From: DUTTON Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 11:19 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! This looks a long way ahead of the original DOS Autotrax software. I expect that it's only a name similarity. Can't remember if it was 'Protel PCB' or 'AutoTrax' first (around 1986/87). Ran it on an XT. Only top, bottom and 2 planes, handful of track and pad sizes, no schematic editor and no netlist. It was far better and cheaper than just about anything else around at the time though. I think that it was marketed as Tango in the US back then. The place that I worked for then had a mainframe based system that we could view one layer at a time and a screen refresh could take 20 minutes. Other than that, it was hand taped. regards, Phil. ** ** * Tracking #: 0319981F8A988E4BA7DFC57FC02CAACEC4BDF916 * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
From: Mike Ingle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I purchased Auto-Trax from Protel along with The initial windows schematic software. Way back when they were in Santa Clara Ca. Protel has always been an Aussie company, though they did have a sales/support group here in the states. aj * Tracking #: 7157397B401699489440F650F5BE87C8D19D5528 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Wasn't AutoTrax the predecessor to Protel? Yes. I was surprised to see that the name was being used. 'Suppose someone will make issue. Didn't want to be the one. My understanding is that the original code had been sold to a third party and had been redeveloped into a low-end product for sale at Diogikey, Jameco, etc, but my memory may be jaded...At one time, I thought that the source for those products was SchemaIII. I wonder if the original DOS code has been recycled into a Windows app? Did anyone on this list use the original DOS AutoTrax software? For those who, like myself, believe that the Autorouter is code designed for monkeys, though there are cosmetic changes and some enhancements observable in the P9x series product, Autotrax was suitable for most projects that the average P9x customer would use the product to produce. That is, aside from a very small handful of board-house customers, most of Protel's user-base is not designing and producing motherboards and VXI product, but simple two and four sided designs. It's primary drawback was the dongle. aj * Tracking #: 7B588C7AC7FF824DB9DCEB7E1E43E51780267E70 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
[PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
The guys who made this web site should convert their screen shot .BMPs to .PNGs. I gave up after the first page in the viewing of their online manuals. Looks really cheap... Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
- Original Message - From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! The guys who made this web site should convert their screen shot .BMPs to .PNGs. I gave up after the first page in the viewing of their online manuals. Looks really cheap... It works cheap too! But skip the design tools for a mo', Altium could do a lot worse than to dump their 3d 'viewer' licence the 3D engine (there are others available) editor (create own models) from this guy if its his. Its fast you can define your own basic shapes, and export to 3d tools. Have not tried it fully, but with a little work it would be a more welcome addition to DXP than the current viewer. John - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] The guys who made this web site should convert their screen shot .BMPs to .PNGs. I gave up after the first page in the viewing of their online manuals. Looks really cheap... At $195, that's an understatment... aj * Tracking #: 2B0749621EBFBC4EA04439B7055407DBE3959205 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
$195 for the full package? I think I might get it for home just to do some hobby boards. -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:32 AM To: Protel forum Subject: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
Wasn't AutoTrax the predecessor to Protel? I wonder if the original DOS code has been recycled into a Windows app? Did anyone on this list use the original DOS AutoTrax software? How does this compare? Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
I purchased Auto-Trax from Protel along with The initial windows schematic software. Way back when they were in Santa Clara Ca. Mike riginal Message - From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Wasn't AutoTrax the predecessor to Protel? I wonder if the original DOS code has been recycled into a Windows app? Did anyone on this list use the original DOS AutoTrax software? How does this compare? Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
And how about that 1 page online tour? I downloaded the app and installed it. Tried to open a SCH using File Open -Schematic, and got a dialog box that said: Files of type: PCB(*.sch) Nice start! It's a 'PCBSCH' file. LOL OK so I find the directory where they are hiding the demo files (you'd think the demo would point to the demo files) and find a file called 3D Demo.sch. I load it and get a blank schematic. I'm wondering why the created a blank demo, and I finally figure out the screen is zooming in real tight so I'm looking at a blank section of the populated page. Very nice...(not) Panning is odd. The mouse wheel works, but it chooses the physical center of the page as it's reference. Not usable IMO. Menu panning is useless. The only panning I can find that is 1/2 way useable is the scroll bars. Yuck. Oh wait, if I press and hold the mouse wheel I can pan. OK, that's cool! Oh, arrow keys work too. OK, panning is OK now. So anyway, this SCH file shows a little circuit and there are some text instructions on the sch to tell me to launch the PCB design wizard and start routing. I didn't know I could autoroute before any parts were actually on the board! SO I move all the parts to the board and the ratsnest shows up. I cannot move more than one part at a time. When I select a handful of parts and then try to move them, only the one where the mouse is actually moves. :( I press autoroute and it works (no comments yet on the ability). I want to see the board in 3D and their istructions tell me where I'm supposed to find the 3D function: Finally select View\View PCB in 3D from the PCB designer menu to view the board in 3D I'm in the PCB editor, and I don't see no stinkin' View\View PCB in 3D. Oh well... Maybe it doesn't crash?? Hey, didn't protel have a trademark on Autotrax? -Original Message- From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 4:50 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! The guys who made this web site should convert their screen shot .BMPs to .PNGs. I gave up after the first page in the viewing of their online manuals. Looks really cheap... Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice (514) 624-4003 Fax (514) 624-3631 - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. ** ** * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
Yuck. Why don't you just run protel at home? If you (or anyone at work) isn't using it at work at the same time as you're using it at home, I think it's perfectly legal. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:51 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! $195 for the full package? I think I might get it for home just to do some hobby boards. -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:32 AM To: Protel forum Subject: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
never thought of it that way. I should look at the agreement, after all we are using a floating lisc. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:48 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Yuck. Why don't you just run protel at home? If you (or anyone at work) isn't using it at work at the same time as you're using it at home, I think it's perfectly legal. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:51 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! $195 for the full package? I think I might get it for home just to do some hobby boards. -Original Message- From: Stephen Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 6:32 AM To: Protel forum Subject: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
I called and asked them about this once, and they told me that it is perfectly fine to install it on multiple machines as long as only the purchased number of licences is in use at any one time. This makes it easy for me to work on stuff either at work or at home. Now that a major design cycle is complete, I'm trying to get caught up on all the groups again. Alot has happened... but not enough to support this many messages. Nick is right, this group is getting a little too much like a chat room for those of us with limited time to deal with all the messages. Frank At 10:47 AM 9/10/2002 -0700, you wrote: Yuck. Why don't you just run protel at home? If you (or anyone at work) isn't using it at work at the same time as you're using it at home, I think it's perfectly legal. Frank Gilley Dell-Star Technologies (918) 838-1973 Phone (918) 838-8814 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dellstar.com * Tracking #: 7C5CF161DC44504AA126D2C8E53DDD75C5A2601A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
Bagotronix Tech Support wrote: Wasn't AutoTrax the predecessor to Protel? I wonder if the original DOS code has been recycled into a Windows app? Did anyone on this list use the original DOS AutoTrax software? How does this compare? I used the original Protel Tango PCB, which I think was either the same as Autotrax, or a slightly later version sold in the US by Accel Technologies. It wasn't bad, for PCB editing, but was 4 layers only, and barely that. Foremost, it did NOT have NETLISTS! Or, at least, there was no connection between the netlist and the PCB tracks, except that it could highlight all the pads in a particular net. There was no DRC. It had no external ground plane facility, only inner plane. So, if you needed a front or back side ground plane, you had to plot the inner layer and hand retouch all the pads with pen and ink! I don't think a revival of the original Autotrax product would be of much value to the average designer today. Also, I think it is available as freeware from a number of net archives. Jon * Tracking #: E29D253CFD937848BF180A84B4CB10154CD755EB * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
Tony Karavidas wrote: Yuck. Why don't you just run protel at home? If you (or anyone at work) isn't using it at work at the same time as you're using it at home, I think it's perfectly legal. The OLD user agreement definitely permitted this. I think they pulled this out about 3-4 years ago. I'm pretty sure it is a one machine only license now, no matter whether it is being used or not. Jon * Tracking #: 8F84F42BD4E8134EA54B57CCF5000A38A47CD071 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
Protel Autotrax is available for download on the Protel site as freeware. See at the bottom of the page... http://www.protel.com/resources/downloads/index.html It does support netlist also. I have it running on a HP Jornada 720 handheld pc using an dos emulator called pocketDOS. I haven't been able to run it to run full screen, only 320 x 200 and 4 colours I have uploaded a screen shot to the files area. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/protel-users/files/ Who needs DXP when I have this :) Darren -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jon Elson snip I don't think a revival of the original Autotrax product would be of much value to the average designer today. Also, I think it is available as freeware from a number of net archives. Jon * Tracking #: 8F33B327FA04AA45AC9AC863D1E8CC498E6B9971 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
This looks a long way ahead of the original DOS Autotrax software. I expect that it's only a name similarity. Can't remember if it was 'Protel PCB' or 'AutoTrax' first (around 1986/87). Ran it on an XT. Only top, bottom and 2 planes, handful of track and pad sizes, no schematic editor and no netlist. It was far better and cheaper than just about anything else around at the time though. I think that it was marketed as Tango in the US back then. The place that I worked for then had a mainframe based system that we could view one layer at a time and a screen refresh could take 20 minutes. Other than that, it was hand taped. regards, Phil. -Original Message- From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 1:56 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Wasn't AutoTrax the predecessor to Protel? I wonder if the original DOS code has been recycled into a Windows app? Did anyone on this list use the original DOS AutoTrax software? How does this compare? Best regards, Ivan Baggett Bagotronix Inc. website: www.bagotronix.com - Original Message - From: Stephen Casey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Protel forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 7:32 AM Subject: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Hello all, I haven't looked in great depth at this, so draw your own conclusions: http://www.autotraxeda.com/ Interesting, no? Steve. * Tracking #: FDE37C3C1A14CE49AE5E6D600B3ABF48B8E75D4C * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
Darren, I seem to be remembering 89, are you sure on that date or is my brain starting to fade? Joe - Original Message - From: Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Phil, In 1986 that was just called 'Protel PCB' that was the first version I used then. And I never used tape again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Darren -Original Message- From: DUTTON Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 11:19 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! This looks a long way ahead of the original DOS Autotrax software. I expect that it's only a name similarity. Can't remember if it was 'Protel PCB' or 'AutoTrax' first (around 1986/87). Ran it on an XT. Only top, bottom and 2 planes, handful of track and pad sizes, no schematic editor and no netlist. It was far better and cheaper than just about anything else around at the time though. I think that it was marketed as Tango in the US back then. The place that I worked for then had a mainframe based system that we could view one layer at a time and a screen refresh could take 20 minutes. Other than that, it was hand taped. regards, Phil. * Tracking #: 0319981F8A988E4BA7DFC57FC02CAACEC4BDF916 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
Yeah, 1989. Red box, Protel Autotrax. (I still have a box sitting here!) -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:01 PM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Darren, I seem to be remembering 89, are you sure on that date or is my brain starting to fade? Joe - Original Message - From: Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Phil, In 1986 that was just called 'Protel PCB' that was the first version I used then. And I never used tape again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Darren -Original Message- From: DUTTON Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 11:19 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! This looks a long way ahead of the original DOS Autotrax software. I expect that it's only a name similarity. Can't remember if it was 'Protel PCB' or 'AutoTrax' first (around 1986/87). Ran it on an XT. Only top, bottom and 2 planes, handful of track and pad sizes, no schematic editor and no netlist. It was far better and cheaper than just about anything else around at the time though. I think that it was marketed as Tango in the US back then. The place that I worked for then had a mainframe based system that we could view one layer at a time and a screen refresh could take 20 minutes. Other than that, it was hand taped. regards, Phil. ** ** * Tracking #: 0319981F8A988E4BA7DFC57FC02CAACEC4BDF916 * ** ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
Joe, Looking in the AUTOTRAX manuals, dates of around late 1998 are used, for copyrights etc. This is for ver 1.0 I think. But 1986 is when I was using Protel PCB which I believe first shipped in 1985. Autotrax had at least 4 mid layers, I have no documentation on the Protel PCB product. There was a separate program for plotting 'TRAXPLOT'. and the pcb program was named 'TRAXEDIT'. Here is part of the spec list for Autotrax: max board 32 x 32 layers 6 signal, plus power and ground planes 2 component overlays 2 solder masks 2 paste masks 1 keepout grid 1mil to 1000mil track width 1 to 255mil pad/via 1 to 1000mil max nets 1000 pads 48 types cheers, Darren -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 13:01 To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Darren, I seem to be remembering 89, are you sure on that date or is my brain starting to fade? Joe - Original Message - From: Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Phil, In 1986 that was just called 'Protel PCB' that was the first version I used then. And I never used tape again :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Darren * Tracking #: 387FE060CCBF9847B861491FEC8D126F0153C83F * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?!
That's Autotrax. Protel PCB would have been 1986. -Original Message- From: Tony Karavidas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 11 September 2002 1:03 PM To: 'Protel EDA Forum' Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel clone on the way?!?!?! Yeah, 1989. Red box, Protel Autotrax. (I still have a box sitting here!) * Tracking #: 89D071E82E023840B9DCC1888D1046F839EC218A * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/proteledaforum@techservinc.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
