Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output
Jeff Stout wrote: How do I create negative film output? And why can't Protel do this right out of the box? I want to use a home PCB kit to create a simple PCB and I need negative film. I once heard of a method of printing to pdf then hand editing the output to create that effect. But nothing clicked for me when I looked at the pdf output a few minutes ago. If you have a PostScript printer, you should be able to find, under advanced, then PostScript Options settings to mirror and print in negative. This is in the print options menu. But, I think you'll find the results pretty poor. Laser printers (and most others) have problems with the paper not tracking straight through, and the lasers have tricky optics to linearize the optical path, but it isn't perfect. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output
To summarize: There is no option to negative in my PDF Writer. PDF995 doesn't have a negative feature either. Terry Creer's method of changing color in the print preview is starting to work though I haven't got the exact formula yet. I also downloaded a ZAN printer driver which will capture the printer output and write same to a bitmap or tiff file. I then used Paint Shop to invert the colors. The only problem is the jaggies which I can sort of compensate for by going to 4x size then resized on output. Jeff Stout -Original Message- From: Jeff Stout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Negative Film Output How do I create negative film output? And why can't Protel do this right out of the box? I want to use a home PCB kit to create a simple PCB and I need negative film. I once heard of a method of printing to pdf then hand editing the output to create that effect. But nothing clicked for me when I looked at the pdf output a few minutes ago. Any help appreciated. Jeff Stout * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output
use CamTastic what? you haven't upgraded From: Jeff Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEDA] Negative Film Output Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:11:49 -0500 How do I create negative film output? And why can't Protel do this right out of the box? I want to use a home PCB kit to create a simple PCB and I need negative film. I once heard of a method of printing to pdf then hand editing the output to create that effect. But nothing clicked for me when I looked at the pdf output a few minutes ago. Any help appreciated. Jeff Stout _ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output
when you setup to output the gerbers the option to invert the outputs is there just check the box - Original Message - From: Jeff Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: [PEDA] Negative Film Output How do I create negative film output? And why can't Protel do this right out of the box? I want to use a home PCB kit to create a simple PCB and I need negative film. I once heard of a method of printing to pdf then hand editing the output to create that effect. But nothing clicked for me when I looked at the pdf output a few minutes ago. Any help appreciated. Jeff Stout * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output
If you want it to do it in the Print Preview, without messing about with Gerbers, do the following: 1). On an unused mechanical layer, create a fill that covers the entire PCB design. 2). Create a Print preview, as per normal. 3). Choose Full Colour for your print. 4). In the preferences click the colours tab and make the Top / Bottom Layers and Multilayers WHITE. 5). Make the via and pad holes BLACK 6). Make the Mechanical Fill BLACK 7). Do your prints with the mechanical fill at the bottom, and move the orders of the layers as suits you. I used to go (From the top): Multilayer, Top/Bottom Copper, Mechanical fill. Unfortunately, there is no 'simple' way to do this, but my way works. Good luck! TC -Original Message- From: Joe Sapienza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 10:30 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output when you setup to output the gerbers the option to invert the outputs is there just check the box - Original Message - From: Jeff Stout [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: [PEDA] Negative Film Output How do I create negative film output? And why can't Protel do this right out of the box? I want to use a home PCB kit to create a simple PCB and I need negative film. I once heard of a method of printing to pdf then hand editing the output to create that effect. But nothing clicked for me when I looked at the pdf output a few minutes ago. Any help appreciated. Jeff Stout * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output
On 05:11 AM 28/09/2004, Jeff Stout said: How do I create negative film output? And why can't Protel do this right out of the box? I want to use a home PCB kit to create a simple PCB and I need negative film. I once heard of a method of printing to pdf then hand editing the output to create that effect. But nothing clicked for me when I looked at the pdf output a few minutes ago. I thought PDF writers used a postscript printer driver. I thought all (most maybe) postscript printer drivers had the option of mirroring output and making it negative. Look in the Advanced dialog of the printer properties page. If you don't have access to these settings in the PDF writer you are using, you could try installing another postscript printer (connect it to the FILE: device), printing to file (as a PS file) and then using Acrobat or Ghostscript to print to transperancy. (The mirroring is useful, depending on what layer you are printing, to ensure the ink on the transparency is in contact with the light sensitive copper clad. Gives significantly better edge definition. Been more than a decade since I last made a home brew - used to have to do it on some security related stuff that the company owners did not want being sent out for commercial PCB manufacture. The camera we used was some expensive Fuji or Xerox or something - big UV thing. I remember that the gas lift hinges were wearing out and the very heavy lid would come crashing down. There was one accident prone tech who would spend time carefully lining up the film with the some cross hairs while leaning over the open camera - we would hear Owww! from the dark room as the lid came crashing down on his head.) Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output
Hi Ian, We use PDF995 here and I just had a look - sure enough, under Postscript Options are the options to go Negative or Mirrored (or both). Mirrored seems to work, but Negative doesn't seem to do much... Anyone else tried it? TC -Original Message- From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 28 September 2004 11:20 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Negative Film Output On 05:11 AM 28/09/2004, Jeff Stout said: How do I create negative film output? And why can't Protel do this right out of the box? I want to use a home PCB kit to create a simple PCB and I need negative film. I once heard of a method of printing to pdf then hand editing the output to create that effect. But nothing clicked for me when I looked at the pdf output a few minutes ago. I thought PDF writers used a postscript printer driver. I thought all (most maybe) postscript printer drivers had the option of mirroring output and making it negative. Look in the Advanced dialog of the printer properties page. If you don't have access to these settings in the PDF writer you are using, you could try installing another postscript printer (connect it to the FILE: device), printing to file (as a PS file) and then using Acrobat or Ghostscript to print to transperancy. (The mirroring is useful, depending on what layer you are printing, to ensure the ink on the transparency is in contact with the light sensitive copper clad. Gives significantly better edge definition. Been more than a decade since I last made a home brew - used to have to do it on some security related stuff that the company owners did not want being sent out for commercial PCB manufacture. The camera we used was some expensive Fuji or Xerox or something - big UV thing. I remember that the gas lift hinges were wearing out and the very heavy lid would come crashing down. There was one accident prone tech who would spend time carefully lining up the film with the some cross hairs while leaning over the open camera - we would hear Owww! from the dark room as the lid came crashing down on his head.) Ian Wilson * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
