Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

And that's just it. He doesn't! wanna do this for fun. He keeps swearing he's 
gonna get a place in the record hall of fame. I'm not using that term 
figuratively. He's literally made me that swear that by this time in 3 months, 
he thinks he'll be there.

He's just very very stubborn. I don't wanna be rude about it, but... and BTW, 
no, he's not on this list, so, we're safe, and I know that for a fact.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  - Original Message - 
  From: TheOreoMonster 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:37 PM
  Subject: Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?


  I’d say point out the things you did here, without being negative or saying 
you suck. Something like your vocals are off key and that they should consider 
collaborating with vocalist. You can also explain that to your more experienced 
ears it sounds over compressed and muddy or etc. No need to get into the 
technical details you got into in your email as it sounds like he isn’t to a 
experience level with productions  where that would mean much to him yet. The 
thing is if they are doing this for fun and to keep themselves busy, then its 
up to them if they work on getting better or not. If they wants to get to a 
point where they wants to do this professionally however, then they’d need to  
consider more experienced opinions at some point. 




On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did 
it in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.

He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.

First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very 
well the song that he recorded. This isn't him using improvization. It's more 
truely him being off the correct note or anything there close.

Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.

On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds 
like he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone bleedover, 
so bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the karaoke track he 
used.

When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.

On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor 
plug would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the 
threshold at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living 
shit out of things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then 
reduplicated it on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!

Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ by about 5 DB.

When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest 
opinion, he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it 
negatively effected the mix.

This guy's been through a lot of emotional psychological trauma, which 
so've I, so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter 
F***ing shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like 
this. I just don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. OK, 
who 'em I to judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at least I 
listen and try taking advice when people give it, hince why I've improved as 
much over the years as I have. This guy simply won't take any advice I nor 
anyone else give him. He didn't pay me to listen, he just asked me as a friend 
to tell him. He's not expecting me to do this as him being a client.

So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more 
politely say, Jane Doe? You absolutely suck!

Surely some of you all have had vocalists or musicians who you listenned 
to, who you had to turn down the job from as they just weren't seen as fit for 
it. They just didn't have what it would take.

How do you let those guys off easy, without being a nasty Simon Cowell the 
second? My christian morrals won't let me lie, but if I say what I really 
think, it's gonna break his heart! I can't do that to such a dear friend! I 
just can't! What do I do!

Chris.


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Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I actually asked him that, and he said he doesn't want to be like anyone. He 
says there are too many impersonators. He said I don't want to sound like them, 
and frankly, anyone trying to do music like someone else is a cheating ripoff. 
His words word per word, not mine.
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http://www.gshministry.org
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  From: Karen Lewellen 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:10 PM
  Subject: Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?


  Hi Chris,
  You are an honorable friend being considerate of his feelings.
  I have a question.  who does this person admire professionally?  What 
  singer  does he want to  become, who influences his work, if you understand 
  me?
  I ask because you may be able to give direction, or frankness, without 
  insulting  him as a person.  focus on his art, not  him, does that make 
  sense?
  Will share more after you answer.
  Karen


  On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

  > OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did 
it in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.
  >
  > He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.
  >
  > First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very 
well the song that he recorded. This isn't him using improvization. It's more 
truely him being off the correct note or anything there close.
  >
  > Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.
  >
  > On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds 
like he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone bleedover, 
so bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the karaoke track he 
used.
  >
  > When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.
  >
  > On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor 
plug would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the 
threshold at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living 
shit out of things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then 
reduplicated it on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!
  >
  > Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ by about 5 DB.
  >
  > When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest 
opinion, he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it 
negatively effected the mix.
  >
  > This guy's been through a lot of emotional psychological trauma, which 
so've I, so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter 
F***ing shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like 
this. I just don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. OK, 
who 'em I to judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at least I 
listen and try taking advice when people give it, hince why I've improved as 
much over the years as I have. This guy simply won't take any advice I nor 
anyone else give him. He didn't pay me to listen, he just asked me as a friend 
to tell him. He's not expecting me to do this as him being a client.
  >
  > So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more 
politely say, Jane Doe? You absolutely suck!
  >
  > Surely some of you all have had vocalists or musicians who you listenned 
to, who you had to turn down the job from as they just weren't seen as fit for 
it. They just didn't have what it would take.
  >
  > How do you let those guys off easy, without being a nasty Simon Cowell the 
second? My christian morrals won't let me lie, but if I say what I really 
think, it's gonna break his heart! I can't do that to such a dear friend! I 
just can't! What do I do!
  >
  > Chris.
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Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[TheOreoMonster]

I’d say point out the things you did here, without being negative or saying you 
suck. Something like your vocals are off key and that they should consider 
collaborating with vocalist. You can also explain that to your more experienced 
ears it sounds over compressed and muddy or etc. No need to get into the 
technical details you got into in your email as it sounds like he isn’t to a 
experience level with productions  where that would mean much to him yet. The 
thing is if they are doing this for fun and to keep themselves busy, then its 
up to them if they work on getting better or not. If they wants to get to a 
point where they wants to do this professionally however, then they’d need to  
consider more experienced opinions at some point. 


> On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did 
> it in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.
>  
> He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.
>  
> First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very 
> well the song that he recorded. This isn't him using improvization. It's more 
> truely him being off the correct note or anything there close.
>  
> Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
> meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.
>  
> On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds 
> like he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone 
> bleedover, so bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the 
> karaoke track he used.
>  
> When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
> he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.
>  
> On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor 
> plug would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the 
> threshold at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living 
> shit out of things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then 
> reduplicated it on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!
>  
> Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ by about 5 DB.
>  
> When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest opinion, 
> he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it negatively 
> effected the mix.
>  
> This guy's been through a lot of emotional psychological trauma, which so've 
> I, so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter 
> F***ing shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like 
> this. I just don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. 
> OK, who 'em I to judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at 
> least I listen and try taking advice when people give it, hince why I've 
> improved as much over the years as I have. This guy simply won't take any 
> advice I nor anyone else give him. He didn't pay me to listen, he just asked 
> me as a friend to tell him. He's not expecting me to do this as him being a 
> client.
>  
> So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more politely 
> say, Jane Doe? You absolutely suck!
>  
> Surely some of you all have had vocalists or musicians who you listenned to, 
> who you had to turn down the job from as they just weren't seen as fit for 
> it. They just didn't have what it would take.
>  
> How do you let those guys off easy, without being a nasty Simon Cowell the 
> second? My christian morrals won't let me lie, but if I say what I really 
> think, it's gonna break his heart! I can't do that to such a dear friend! I 
> just can't! What do I do!
>  
> Chris.
> 
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RE: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[Chris Smart]

be honest with him and put him out of his misery. LOL either that, 
or suggest that he try out for American Idol if it runs again, so we 
can all hear him in the early auditions.








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Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi Chris,
You are an honorable friend being considerate of his feelings.
I have a question.  who does this person admire professionally?  What 
singer  does he want to  become, who influences his work, if you understand 
me?
I ask because you may be able to give direction, or frankness, without 
insulting  him as a person.  focus on his art, not  him, does that make 
sense?

Will share more after you answer.
Karen


On Mon, 24 Jul 2017, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did it 
in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.

He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.

First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very well 
the song that he recorded. This isn't him using improvization. It's more truely 
him being off the correct note or anything there close.

Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.

On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds like 
he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone bleedover, so 
bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the karaoke track he 
used.

When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.

On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor plug 
would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the threshold 
at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living shit out of 
things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then reduplicated 
it on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!

Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ by about 5 DB.

When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest opinion, 
he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it negatively 
effected the mix.

This guy's been through a lot of emotional psychological trauma, which so've I, 
so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter F***ing 
shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like this. I just 
don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. OK, who 'em I to 
judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at least I listen and 
try taking advice when people give it, hince why I've improved as much over the 
years as I have. This guy simply won't take any advice I nor anyone else give 
him. He didn't pay me to listen, he just asked me as a friend to tell him. He's 
not expecting me to do this as him being a client.

So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more politely 
say, Jane Doe? You absolutely suck!

Surely some of you all have had vocalists or musicians who you listenned to, 
who you had to turn down the job from as they just weren't seen as fit for it. 
They just didn't have what it would take.

How do you let those guys off easy, without being a nasty Simon Cowell the 
second? My christian morrals won't let me lie, but if I say what I really 
think, it's gonna break his heart! I can't do that to such a dear friend! I 
just can't! What do I do!

Chris.

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Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[Jes]

Agreed. Or you could act like you never heard the track.
There really is no easy way to tell somebody they are not cut out for a job, 
especially one in music. So you got to give it straight. If you don't, trust 
me, a somebody will.

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Kevin Reeves  wrote:
> 
> I would stop working with him altogether. I would just say that due to 
> artistic differences or whatever, it's not a good collaborative relationship. 
> I personally don't have time to change diapers or deal with emotional issues 
> when it comes to business like this.
> It's nothing personal, it's just business. Your time is valuable. It should 
> be spent making music, not trying to smooth over bruised egos.   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did 
>> it in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.
>>  
>> He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.
>>  
>> First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very 
>> well the song that he recorded. This isn't him using improvization. It's 
>> more truely him being off the correct note or anything there close.
>>  
>> Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
>> meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.
>>  
>> On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds 
>> like he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone 
>> bleedover, so bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the 
>> karaoke track he used.
>>  
>> When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
>> he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.
>>  
>> On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor 
>> plug would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the 
>> threshold at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living 
>> shit out of things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then 
>> reduplicated it on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!
>>  
>> Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ  by about 5 DB.
>>  
>> When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest 
>> opinion, he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it 
>> negatively effected the mix.
>>  
>> This guy's been through a lot of emotional psychological trauma, which so've 
>> I, so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter 
>> F***ing shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like 
>> this. I just don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. 
>> OK, who 'em I to judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at 
>> least I listen and try taking advice when people give it, hince why I've 
>> improved as much over the years as I have. This guy simply won't take any 
>> advice I nor anyone else give him. He didn't pay me to listen, he just asked 
>> me as a friend to tell him. He's not expecting me to do this as him being a 
>> client.
>>  
>> So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more politely 
>> say, Jane Doe? You absolutely suck!
>>  
>> Surely some of you all have had vocalists or musicians who you listenned to, 
>> who you had to turn down the job from as they just weren't seen as fit for 
>> it. They just didn't have what it would take.
>>  
>> How do you let those guys off easy, without being a nasty Simon Cowell the 
>> second? My christian morrals won't let me lie, but if I say what I really 
>> think, it's gonna break his heart! I can't do that to such a dear friend! I 
>> just can't! What do I do!
>>  
>> Chris.
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Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[Kevin Reeves]

I would stop working with him altogether. I would just say that due to artistic 
differences or whatever, it's not a good collaborative relationship. I 
personally don't have time to change diapers or deal with emotional issues when 
it comes to business like this.
It's nothing personal, it's just business. Your time is valuable. It should be 
spent making music, not trying to smooth over bruised egos.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did 
> it in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.
>  
> He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.
>  
> First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very 
> well the song that he recorded. This isn't him using  improvization. It's 
> more truely him being off the correct note or anything there close.
>  
> Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
> meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.
>  
> On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds 
> like he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone 
> bleedover, so bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the 
> karaoke track he used.
>  
> When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
> he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.
>  
> On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor 
> plug would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the 
> threshold at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living 
> shit out of things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then 
> reduplicated it on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!
>  
> Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ by about 5 DB.
>  
> When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest opinion, 
> he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it negatively 
> effected the mix.
>  
> This guy's been through a lot of emotional  psychological trauma, which so've 
> I, so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter 
> F***ing shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like 
> this. I just don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. 
> OK, who 'em I to judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at 
> least I listen and try taking advice when people give it, hince why I've 
> improved as much over the years as I have. This guy simply won't take any 
> advice I nor anyone else give him. He didn't pay me to listen, he just asked 
> me as a friend to tell him. He's not expecting me to do this as him being a 
> client.
>  
> So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more politely 
> say, Jane Doe? You absolutely suck!
>  
> Surely some of you all have had vocalists or musicians who you listenned to, 
> who you had to turn down the job from as they just weren't seen as fit for 
> it. They just didn't have what it would take.
>  
> How do you let those guys off easy, without being a nasty Simon Cowell the 
> second? My christian morrals won't let me lie, but if I say what I really 
> think, it's gonna break his heart! I can't do that to such a dear friend! I 
> just can't! What do I do!
>  
> Chris.
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How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did it 
in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.

He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.

First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very well 
the song that he recorded. This isn't him using improvization. It's more truely 
him being off the correct note or anything there close.

Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.

On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds like 
he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone bleedover, so 
bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the karaoke track he 
used.

When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.

On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor plug 
would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the threshold 
at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living shit out of 
things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then reduplicated 
it on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!

Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ by about 5 DB.

When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest opinion, 
he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it negatively 
effected the mix.

This guy's been through a lot of emotional psychological trauma, which so've I, 
so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter F***ing 
shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like this. I just 
don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. OK, who 'em I to 
judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at least I listen and 
try taking advice when people give it, hince why I've improved as much over the 
years as I have. This guy simply won't take any advice I nor anyone else give 
him. He didn't pay me to listen, he just asked me as a friend to tell him. He's 
not expecting me to do this as him being a client.

So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more politely 
say, Jane Doe? You absolutely suck!

Surely some of you all have had vocalists or musicians who you listenned to, 
who you had to turn down the job from as they just weren't seen as fit for it. 
They just didn't have what it would take.

How do you let those guys off easy, without being a nasty Simon Cowell the 
second? My christian morrals won't let me lie, but if I say what I really 
think, it's gonna break his heart! I can't do that to such a dear friend! I 
just can't! What do I do!

Chris.

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Re: Speed Mixing Course: Worth it?

[Hazze Wazeen]

Hi!
Great to hear something about this course!
Got interested, and was moving too slow, so I missed the window.
Emailed them and asked if I could join one day after, but they just replied 
politely that it was closed and might reopen in 2018.
Anyway, joined Nail The Mix instead, and it is gonna be a blast.
Very curious how this Speed Mixing  progress.
Please feel free to post your thoughts about it!

Atb/Hazze Wazeen



On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 5:37:56 PM UTC+3, Chris Smart wrote:
>
> haven't watched the course yet, but I'm glad there are sections on 
> systematizing client communication and other business aspects, not 
> just the ntus and bolts of working with audio.  Every other course 
> I've seen or taken has just focused on the audio, not on the part 
> where you interact with people. (grin) 
>
> At 09:20 PM 6/25/2017, you wrote: 
> >Well Joel is just an aggressive no BS guy generally lol. That being 
> >said as far as those style webinars goes  I feel it still gave you a 
> >decent bunch of info for free. Most of them give you the most basic 
> >generic stuff  as to not give away anything in the course. What do 
> >you think so far if you watched any of it yet? 
> > 
> > > On Jun 25, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Chris Smart  > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Hey man. Did you attend the WEbinar? That was as slick as any 
> > infomercial. Come on guys. Don't you want my lifestyle? I go on all 
> > these exotic vacations! (grin) 
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I decided to try it, since I was considering Nail the Mix 
> anyway. 
> > > 
> > > Chris 
> > > 
> > > At 06:11 PM 6/25/2017, you wrote: 
> > >> I believe the course just went public this weekend so barring 
> > someone who got advanced access I doubt anyone here would of been 
> > through it already. However given my experiences with Nail The 
> > Mix/URM in general and seeing all whats offered its a pretty 
> > tempting proposition. 
> > >> > On Jun 25, 2017, at 5:15 PM, Chris Smart  > wrote: 
> > >> > 
> > >> > Has anyone here taken the Speed Mixing course from 
> > >> > www.nailthemix.com/speedmixing 
> > >> > 
> > >> > In your opinion, was it worth the money? 
> > >> > 
> > >> > Chris 
> > >> > 
> > >> > 
> > >> > 
> > >> > 
> > >> >  
> > >> > "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: 
> > music and cats." - Albert Schweitzer 
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