And that's just it. He doesn't! wanna do this for fun. He keeps swearing he's 
gonna get a place in the record hall of fame. I'm not using that term 
figuratively. He's literally made me that swear that by this time in 3 months, 
he thinks he'll be there.

He's just very very stubborn. I don't wanna be rude about it, but... and BTW, 
no, he's not on this list, so, we're safe, and I know that for a fact.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: TheOreoMonster 
  To: ptaccess@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:37 PM
  Subject: Re: How would you all as full fledged professionals handle this?


  I’d say point out the things you did here, without being negative or saying 
you suck. Something like your vocals are off key and that they should consider 
collaborating with vocalist. You can also explain that to your more experienced 
ears it sounds over compressed and muddy or etc. No need to get into the 
technical details you got into in your email as it sounds like he isn’t to a 
experience level with productions  where that would mean much to him yet. The 
thing is if they are doing this for fun and to keep themselves busy, then its 
up to them if they work on getting better or not. If they wants to get to a 
point where they wants to do this professionally however, then they’d need to  
consider more experienced opinions at some point. 




    On Jul 24, 2017, at 6:36 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


    OK, so I have a friend who sent me a track he had recorded. Granted, he did 
it in Reaper not PT, but that's kind of not exactly the point.

    He wanted my opinion on his mix, etc.

    First off, the guy is almost 2 whole steps off key. I know, as I know very 
well the song that he recorded. This isn't him using improvization. It's more 
truely him being off the correct note or anything there close.

    Secondly, his vocals clipped horribly. With no processing or anything, the 
meters are showing him at positive 9.3DB.

    On his reverb, he ran both the wet, and the dry mix at 100%, so he sounds 
like he's in the grand cannyon. Plus, he's got major major headphone bleedover, 
so bad, I almost can make out each note individually from the karaoke track he 
used.

    When he hits the higher notes, he's singing from his throat, I can tell, as 
he's straining badly, and literally almost shouting.

    On the compressor, he used a 8/1 with the attack as fast as the compressor 
plug would let him, and the attack as slow as it would. Then, he set the 
threshold at negative 14DB, which obviously means he's squashing the living 
shit out of things! Worse is, he not only did this on his vocal, but he then 
reduplicated it on the master fader as well. Aaa, my aching! ears!

    Finally, he turned up all frequencies around 60HZ by about 5 DB.

    When I told him this needed a lot of work, being he wanted my honest 
opinion, he says he cannot hear the things I'm talking about nor how it 
negatively effected the mix.

    This guy's been through a lot of emotional psychological trauma, which 
so've I, so I know how it feels. I don't wanna tell him this sounds like utter 
F***ing shit, but, that said, this is about the 5th song he's sent me like 
this. I just don't think he's cut out for a vocalist let alone a producer. OK, 
who 'em I to judge! I know, I know, I'm not the greatest myself, but at least I 
listen and try taking advice when people give it, hince why I've improved as 
much over the years as I have. This guy simply won't take any advice I nor 
anyone else give him. He didn't pay me to listen, he just asked me as a friend 
to tell him. He's not expecting me to do this as him being a client.

    So, client or not, what's the best way with love, mind you, to more 
politely say, Jane Doe? You absolutely suck!

    Surely some of you all have had vocalists or musicians who you listenned 
to, who you had to turn down the job from as they just weren't seen as fit for 
it. They just didn't have what it would take.

    How do you let those guys off easy, without being a nasty Simon Cowell the 
second? My christian morrals won't let me lie, but if I say what I really 
think, it's gonna break his heart! I can't do that to such a dear friend! I 
just can't! What do I do!

    Chris.


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