Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-25 Thread John S.
I just wanna say this to get it out of the way. The folks on the news and our 
fearless leader don't seem to understand that America has been twisted into 
something so it is more democracy-like, but it is not and was never meant to be 
a democracy. It is a representative republic. Democracies are weak and pathetic 
forms of government. 
It was intended that the people elect their representative and that person, in 
turn, choose an elector to represent us in the electoral college. The reason 
for this is simple, the entire nation shouldn't be ruled by decisions made by a 
few large states. 
Representatives at state levels would elect Senators. There would be no such 
thing as lifetime representatives in any government positions except judges and 
any other positions that are deemed to important to be politicized. (HAH!)
The place where individuals were suppose to be able to effect politics was in 
local party meetings. (Again HAH!)
Our forefathers were hopelessly trusting souls. What we have today is a 
bastardized system that makes everything America ever stood for look like an 
item on the auction block. We have become victims of our own success and poor 
judgment.
Ethanol fuel,, a brilliant idea, but a politician said it must be made from 
corn. We are seeing the problem with that idea. Only a politician would think 
fuel should be drinkable. (ethanol can be made from garbage but America makes 
it from the one ingredient that is also the main source of starch for a third 
of the worlds population..how effing arrogant can we get?)
Do we have a punishment for causing mass starvation? No. We the people have 
absolutely no recourse. 

john


- Original Message 
From: Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Merrill Burghardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:18:09 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


I'd like to see the people chose the president, not the judges.  I know it's 
not realistic, but it would be nice to see someone win by the popular vote.  
Whats this crap with the super delegates that Hilary and Obama want to appeal 
to?  Why do we show up if they end up chosing the candidate against McCain?  I 
get so frustrated with the whole thing. I thought this was supposed to be a 
democracy.
 
Stacy


- Original Message 
From: Merrill Burghardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:26:22 PM
Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

 
People say I’m paranoid but I believe regardless of votes, that the Republican 
party will take the election by fraud.  Remember the Florida scandal with Vice 
President Gore?  It was within weeks that Bush bought all states digital voting 
machines with no paper trail.  Paranoid no, but a quadnoid, yes.
 
Merrill
 


 
From:Stacy Harim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:38 PM
To: RollinOn; t crook; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
 
We have had worthy independent run in the past but what ends up happening is 
they end up taking votes and affecting which democrat or republican is running.
 
I wish people took the independs seriously because they usually come in with 
good ideas from both sides.
 
Stacy
- Original Message 
From: RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: t crook [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:09:19 PM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the 
s.o.s!
We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix Health, 
Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis.
I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is 
making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any.
I know I don't want McCain.
I know I don't want Hillary.
I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish I 
had back.
 
I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the 
majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock.
 
Mark Jackson 
   RollinOn
 
 
 


 
From:t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
Very well put my friend! 
 
- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...



True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, 
(lol).
What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see.  The job 
doesn't pay that much
and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we 
depend on too many other countries

Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-25 Thread Quadius
While I agree with you on the ethanol, I disagree with some of what you said
about the democracy.  You are correct that the founding fathers set up our
system to be a representative republic, but that was long before the
electorate was comprised of mostly literate individuals.

The electoral College was set up to avoid giving too much power to a few
states, but right now it effectively does that anyway.  All you have to do
is look at how some past presidential campaigns have specifically targeted
only 10 or 11 critical states in order to get elected.  I believe, but am
not positive, that JFK follow this principle.

I thought the 2000 election was a travesty, but I really couldn't complain
about 2004.  The majority of the people spoke and that's what we've had to
live with.  No, it's not been fun, but that's what 51% of our people wanted.

Just my opinion; I could be wrong.
Quadius


On 4/25/08, John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I just wanna say this to get it out of the way. The folks on the news and
 our fearless leader don't seem to understand that America has been twisted
 into something so it is more democracy-like, but it is not and was never
 meant to be a democracy. It is a representative republic. Democracies are
 weak and pathetic forms of government.
 It was intended that the people elect their representative and that person,
 in turn, choose an elector to represent us in the electoral college. The
 reason for this is simple, the entire nation shouldn't be ruled by decisions
 made by a few large states.
 Representatives at state levels would elect Senators. There would be no
 such thing as lifetime representatives in any government positions except
 judges and any other positions that are deemed to important to be
 politicized. (HAH!)
 The place where individuals were suppose to be able to effect politics was
 in local party meetings. (Again HAH!)
 Our forefathers were hopelessly trusting souls. What we have today is a
 bastardized system that makes everything America ever stood for look like an
 item on the auction block. We have become victims of our own success and
 poor judgment.
 Ethanol fuel,, a brilliant idea, but a politician said it must be made from
 corn. We are seeing the problem with that idea. Only a politician would
 think fuel should be drinkable. (ethanol can be made from garbage but
 America makes it from the one ingredient that is also the main source of
 starch for a third of the worlds population..how effing arrogant can we
 get?)
 Do we have a punishment for causing mass starvation? No. We the people
 have absolutely no recourse.

 john





Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-24 Thread Stacy Harim
We have had worthy independent run in the past but what ends up happening is 
they end up taking votes and affecting which democrat or republican is running.

I wish people took the independs seriously because they usually come in with 
good ideas from both sides.

Stacy


- Original Message 
From: RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: t crook [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:09:19 PM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the 
s.o.s!
We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix Health, 
Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis.
I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is 
making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any.
I know I don't want McCain.
I know I don't want Hillary.
I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish I 
had back.
 
I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the 
majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock.
 
Mark Jackson 
   RollinOn
 
 




From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


Very well put my friend! 



- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, 
(lol).
What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see.  The job 
doesn't pay that much
and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we 
depend on too many other countries for survival.  But we are a great country 
for producing wheat, rice and corn.  We gotta be much better than that for 
survival.
Best Wishes
 
In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the 
political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including 
myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super 
independent to step up.
 
~peace~
 
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RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-24 Thread RollinOn
You're not alone.
 
The nonpartisan Citizen’s Alliance for Secure Elections (CASE) is
investigating various other voting irregularities in Ohio, among them: 


*   In Auglaize County, a letter dated October 21 under the signature of
Ken Nuss, the county’s former deputy director, alleges that Joe McGinnis, a
former employee of Election Systems  Software (ESS), violated election
protocol with his unauthorized use of the county’s central tabulating
computer that creates ballots and compiles election results. Nuss, who
resigned on October 21, alleges that McGinnis was improperly granted access
to the computer the weekend of October 16.

*   In Miami County, with 100% of the precincts reporting at 9am EST
Wednesday, Nov. 3, Bush had 20,807 votes (65.80%) and Kerry had 10,724
(33.92%). Miami reported 31,620 voters. Inexplicably, nearly 19,000 new
ballots were added after all precincts reported, boosting Bush’s vote to
33,039 (65.77%) to Kerry’s 17,039 (33.92%). CASE is investigating why the
percentage of the vote stayed exactly the same to three one-hundredths of a
percentage point after nearly 19,000 new ballots were added. CASE members
speculate that it’s either a long-shot coincidence with the last three
digits remaining the same, or that someone had pre-set a database and
programmed a voting machine to cough up a pre-set percentage of votes. Miami
County uses an easily hackable optical scanner with the central counter
provided by the Republican-linked vendor ESS.

*   In Warren County, administrators and election officials locked down
the county administrative building and prohibited all independent election
observers from watching the vote count. County officials cited “homeland
security,” according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. WCPO-TV Channel 9 News
Director Bob Morford told the Enquirer that he had “never seen anything like
it.” Morford asserted that throwing the media and independent observers out
of the centralized counting area under the guise of “homeland security” was
a “red herring.” He said, “That’s something to put up when you don’t know
what else to put up to keep us out.” In Warren County, Bush picked up an
additional 12,000 votes over his 2000 election total.

*   In Franklin County, where Franklin County Board of Elections
Director Matt Damschroder is also the former Executive Director of the
county’s Republican Party, the county Board of Elections building looked
like a bunker. Scores of city buses blocked parking spaces on the street
outside, numerous concrete barricades surrounded the parking lot, and a
metal detector was stationed at the only entrance. A phalanx of armed deputy
sheriffs swarmed the only site where provisional voters could cast a
guaranteed ballot. The Columbus Dispatch confirmed an Election Day Free
Press story that far fewer voting machines were present in predominantly
black Democratic inner-city voting wards than in the recent primary election
and the 2000 presidential election, with their lighter turnouts. The reduced
number of machines caused voters to wait up to seven hours and wait an
average of approximately three hours. One Republican Central Committee
member told the Free Press that Damschroder held back as many as 200
machines and dispersed many of the other machines to affluent suburbs in
Franklin County.
 

Mark Jackson

   RollinOn

 

 

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From: Merrill Burghardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:26 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...



People say I’m paranoid but I believe regardless of votes, that the
Republican party will take the election by fraud.  Remember the Florida
scandal with Vice President Gore?  It was within weeks that Bush bought all
states digital voting machines with no paper trail.  Paranoid no, but a
quadnoid, yes.

 

Merrill

 

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From: Stacy Harim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:38 PM
To: RollinOn; t crook; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

 

We have had worthy independent run in the past but what ends up happening is
they end up taking votes and affecting which democrat or republican is
running.

 

I wish people took the independs seriously because they usually come in with
good ideas from both sides.

 

Stacy

- Original Message 
From: RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: t crook [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:09:19 PM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the
s.o.s!

We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix
Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis.

I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is
making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any.

I know I don't want McCain.

I know I don't want Hillary

Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread wheelchair
The amount of money donated on the Primary so far is almost 1 billion  
dollars.  That money came from the population and whomever over the last 12  
months. 
We are still months away from the two final candidates, and then some in  the 
final election.  I wonder how much more will be spent for that price of  
freedom.
1 billion dollars could have use to do much better.  I hope.
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 4/21/2008 8:38:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Isn't money always the issue? Money shouldn't be an issue; with  such a 
booming economy haha! I personally would probably feel guilty  for spending 
money on ink right now. I swear my grocery bill is up by 30% for  the same 
goods.




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Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread wheelchair
True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days,  
(lol).
What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see.  The  job 
doesn't pay that much
and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as  
we depend on too many other countries for survival.  But we are a great  
country for producing wheat, rice and corn.  We gotta be much better than  that 
for 
survival.
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Well  none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to  open the 
political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel  (including 
myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We  need a super 
independent to step up.
 
~peace~
 
Tim






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Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread t crook
Very well put my friend!



- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, 
(lol).
What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see.  The job 
doesn't pay that much
and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we 
depend on too many other countries for survival.  But we are a great country 
for producing wheat, rice and corn.  We gotta be much better than that for 
survival.
Best Wishes
 
In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the 
political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including 
myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super 
independent to step up.
 
~peace~
 
Tim







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Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread t crook
Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the 
political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including 
myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super 
independent to step up.
 
~peace~
 
Tim


- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57:53 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


The amount of money donated on the Primary so far is almost 1 billion dollars.  
That money came from the population and whomever over the last 12 months. We 
are still months away from the two final candidates, and then some in the final 
election.  I wonder how much more will be spent for that price of freedom.
1 billion dollars could have use to do much better.  I hope.
 
Best Wishes
 
In a message dated 4/21/2008 8:38:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Isn't money always the issue? Money shouldn't be an issue; with such a booming 
economy haha! I personally would probably feel guilty for spending money on 
ink right now. I swear my grocery bill is up by 30% for the same goods.






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RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread RollinOn
It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the
s.o.s!
We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix
Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis.
I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is
making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any.
I know I don't want McCain.
I know I don't want Hillary.
I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish
I had back.
 
I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the
majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock.
 

Mark Jackson

   RollinOn

 

 

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From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


Very well put my friend! 


- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days,
(lol).
What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see.  The job
doesn't pay that much
and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as
we depend on too many other countries for survival.  But we are a great
country for producing wheat, rice and corn.  We gotta be much better than
that for survival.
Best Wishes
 
In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the
political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including
myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super
independent to step up.
 
~peace~
 
Tim





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Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread t crook
So true- same ol' shit, different election politics as usual! I don't want 
any of the three; it is sad to think that we have such three undesirable 
choices, soon to be two. If we get Hillary; their will be an uprising with the 
black citizens, if we get Obama- we will have an uprising with the white 
citizens, and if McCain gets in the women and black voters will feel cheated. 
We are so screwed with our presidential choices and the outcome.
 
~peace~
 
Tim



- Original Message 
From: RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: t crook [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:09:19 AM
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the 
s.o.s!
We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix Health, 
Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis.
I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is 
making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any.
I know I don't want McCain.
I know I don't want Hillary.
I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish I 
had back.
 
I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the 
majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock.
 
Mark Jackson 
   RollinOn
 
 




From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


Very well put my friend! 



- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, 
(lol).
What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see.  The job 
doesn't pay that much
and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we 
depend on too many other countries for survival.  But we are a great country 
for producing wheat, rice and corn.  We gotta be much better than that for 
survival.
Best Wishes
 
In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the 
political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including 
myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super 
independent to step up.
 
~peace~
 
Tim







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RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread Tod E. Santee
Hi Mark  Others

The media does ignore the questions we really want --no, Need-- answered.  So 
they play the same old little he said, she said, they said crap we all have 
aleady heard a million times and leave it to us to get the rest.

I've had to go to all their websites and *really* compare their plans  
statements on issues... you know, the stuff that truly matters.

It takes time but it's just too important to NOT know if we're going to cast a 
vote for the best one instead of the one looking most rosy at the end of the 
mud fights.  (IMHO)

Regards,
--Tod

 RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the
 s.o.s!
 We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix
 Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis.
 I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is
 making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any.
 I know I don't want McCain.
 I know I don't want Hillary.
 I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish
 I had back.
  
 I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the
 majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock.
  
 
 Mark Jackson
 
RollinOn
 
  
 
  
 
_  
 
 From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
 
 
 Very well put my friend! 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
 
 
 True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days,
 (lol).
 What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see.  The job
 doesn't pay that much
 and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as
 we depend on too many other countries for survival.  But we are a great
 country for producing wheat, rice and corn.  We gotta be much better than
 that for survival.
 Best Wishes
  
 In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
 Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the
 political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including
 myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super
 independent to step up.
  
 ~peace~
  
 Tim



RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread RollinOn
I hear you Tod and like you I've been reading and it comes down to trust in
the end I guess.

 


Mark Jackson
   RollinOn


-Original Message-
From: Tod E. Santee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:57 PM
To: 't crook'; RollinOn; quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

Hi Mark  Others

The media does ignore the questions we really want --no, Need-- answered.
So they play the same old little he said, she said, they said crap we all
have aleady heard a million times and leave it to us to get the rest.

I've had to go to all their websites and *really* compare their plans 
statements on issues... you know, the stuff that truly matters.

It takes time but it's just too important to NOT know if we're going to cast
a vote for the best one instead of the one looking most rosy at the end of
the mud fights.  (IMHO)

Regards,
--Tod

 RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's 
 the s.o.s!
 We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix 
 Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis.
 I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary 
 is making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any.
 I know I don't want McCain.
 I know I don't want Hillary.
 I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I 
 wish I had back.
  
 I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think 
 the majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock.
  
 
 Mark Jackson
 
RollinOn
 
  
 
  
 
_
 
 From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
 
 
 Very well put my friend! 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
 
 
 True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these 
 days, (lol).
 What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see.  The 
 job doesn't pay that much and the USA is not considered the same 
 powerhouse it was once considered as we depend on too many other 
 countries for survival.  But we are a great country for producing 
 wheat, rice and corn.  We gotta be much better than that for 
 survival.
 Best Wishes
  
 In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
 Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open 
 the political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel 
 (including
 myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super 
 independent to step up.
  
 ~peace~
  
 Tim

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Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread Eric W Rudd
lol...right wheel.  wat is it? never trust a (blank), nor a politician  after 
all is weighed, think i still have 2 go w/ my party, tho i'd much prefer the 
mccain-giuliani battle over obama-clinton.

Eric W Rudd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:25 PM
  Subject: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...


  Trust, a crystal ball and the optional equipment issued at polling places...a 
pair of dice.

  Best Wishes

  In a message dated 4/21/2008 1:09:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
I hear you Tod and like you I've been reading and it comes down to trust in
the end I guess.




Mark Jackson
   RollinOn






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RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread Tod E. Santee
Mark,

Yes, trust is a big part of it but I believe in even bigger part of why people 
are so disillusioned with presidencies (regardless of party) is because 
campaigns always have promises.  Most people don't seem to understand, or 
remember, that a campaign promise is really just a promise to TRY.  In order to 
get anything done, and the president needs an agreeable majority of the House 
of Representatives, Senate, and also, often times in the end, an agreeable 
majority of the Courts.

Without all that, Presidents with even all the absolute best ideas for 
everyone, can do absolutely nothing but sit as figureheads.

Have fun this election season!

Regards,
--Tod

 RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 I hear you Tod and like you I've been reading and it comes down to trust in
 the end I guess.
 
  
 
 
 Mark Jackson
RollinOn
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tod E. Santee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:57 PM
 To: 't crook'; RollinOn; quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
 
 Hi Mark  Others
 
 The media does ignore the questions we really want --no, Need-- answered.
 So they play the same old little he said, she said, they said crap we all
 have aleady heard a million times and leave it to us to get the rest.
 
 I've had to go to all their websites and *really* compare their plans 
 statements on issues... you know, the stuff that truly matters.
 
 It takes time but it's just too important to NOT know if we're going to cast
 a vote for the best one instead of the one looking most rosy at the end of
 the mud fights.  (IMHO)
 
 Regards,
 --Tod
 
  RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's 
  the s.o.s!
  We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix 
  Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis.
  I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary 
  is making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any.
  I know I don't want McCain.
  I know I don't want Hillary.
  I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I 
  wish I had back.
   
  I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think 
  the majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock.
   
  
  Mark Jackson
  
 RollinOn
  
   
  
   
  
 _
  
  From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
  
  
  Very well put my friend! 
  
  
  - Original Message 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
  
  
  True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these 
  days, (lol).
  What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see.  The 
  job doesn't pay that much and the USA is not considered the same 
  powerhouse it was once considered as we depend on too many other 
  countries for survival.  But we are a great country for producing 
  wheat, rice and corn.  We gotta be much better than that for 
  survival.
  Best Wishes
   
  In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  
  Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open 
  the political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel 
  (including
  myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super 
  independent to step up.
   
  ~peace~
   
  Tim



Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread oconnelldb

 Exactly WHAT money gets spent on isn't nearly as important as the fact that it 
gets spent on SOMETHING.?? The flow of money is what keeps our economy going.? 
The people give it to the candidates who skim a little that they can toss 
around, then it goes to movie makers to make those foolish 'promise-all' adds, 
and to TV stations, who pay employees, who buy groceries, who pay farmers, who 
buy tractors the employees of which buy groceries and gas.. on and on.? 
Even saving your money in a bank keeps it in circulation so someone else can 
borrow it and keep it moving.? We reward people for borrowing here by giving 
them write offs? and punish them for saving by way of taxes.? By giving money 
to foreign countries, the circulation for OUR country slows down a bit - unless 
of course they buy our products.? A slow economy is the true villain. 
AZDAVE



 


 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 6:57 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...














The amount of money donated on the Primary so far is almost 1 billion 
dollars.? That money came from the population and whomever over the last 12 
months. We are still months away from the two final candidates, and then some 
in 
the final election.? I wonder how much more will be spent for that price of 
freedom.


1 billion dollars could have use to do much better.? I hope.


?


Best Wishes


?




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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



  
Isn't money always the issue??Money shouldn't be an issue;?with 
  such a booming economy haha! I personally?would probably feel guilty 
  for spending money on ink right now. I swear my grocery bill is up by 30% for 
  the same goods.








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Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread John S.


- Original Message 
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To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:25:40 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

 Trust, a crystal ball and the optional equipment issued at polling 
places...a pair of dice.
 
Best Wishes
 
In a message dated 4/21/2008 1:09:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I hear   you Tod and like you I've been reading and it comes down to trust in
the   end I guess.




Mark Jackson
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Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

2008-04-21 Thread John S.
I look at the up coming election as a no loose situation. I don't care who gets 
elected as long as Bush is gone.

john

- Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:22:16 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

 Exactly WHAT money gets spent on isn't nearly as important as the fact that it 
gets spent on SOMETHING.   The flow of money is what keeps our economy going.  
The people give it to the candidates who skim a little that they can toss 
around, then it goes to movie makers to make those foolish 'promise-all' adds, 
and to TV stations, who pay employees, who buy groceries, who pay farmers, who 
buy tractors the employees of which buy groceries and gas.. on and on.  
Even saving your money in a bank keeps it in circulation so someone else can 
borrow it and keep it moving.  We reward people for borrowing here by giving 
them write offs  and punish them for saving by way of taxes.  By giving money 
to foreign countries, the circulation for OUR country slows down a bit - unless 
of course they buy our products.  A slow economy is the true villain. 
AZDAVE


 

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 6:57 am
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...

The amount of money donated on the Primary so far is almost 1 billion 
dollars.  That money came from the population and whomever over the last 12 
months. We are still months away from the two final candidates, and then some 
in 
the final election.  I wonder how much more will be spent for that price of 
freedom.
1 billion dollars could have use to do much better.  I hope.
 
Best Wishes
 
In a message dated 4/21/2008 8:38:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
  Isn't money always the issue? Money shouldn't be an issue; with 
  such a booming economy haha! I personally would probably feel guilty 
  for spending money on ink right now. I swear my grocery bill is up by 30% for 
  the same goods.




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