Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
I just wanna say this to get it out of the way. The folks on the news and our fearless leader don't seem to understand that America has been twisted into something so it is more democracy-like, but it is not and was never meant to be a democracy. It is a representative republic. Democracies are weak and pathetic forms of government. It was intended that the people elect their representative and that person, in turn, choose an elector to represent us in the electoral college. The reason for this is simple, the entire nation shouldn't be ruled by decisions made by a few large states. Representatives at state levels would elect Senators. There would be no such thing as lifetime representatives in any government positions except judges and any other positions that are deemed to important to be politicized. (HAH!) The place where individuals were suppose to be able to effect politics was in local party meetings. (Again HAH!) Our forefathers were hopelessly trusting souls. What we have today is a bastardized system that makes everything America ever stood for look like an item on the auction block. We have become victims of our own success and poor judgment. Ethanol fuel,, a brilliant idea, but a politician said it must be made from corn. We are seeing the problem with that idea. Only a politician would think fuel should be drinkable. (ethanol can be made from garbage but America makes it from the one ingredient that is also the main source of starch for a third of the worlds population..how effing arrogant can we get?) Do we have a punishment for causing mass starvation? No. We the people have absolutely no recourse. john - Original Message From: Stacy Harim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Merrill Burghardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 12:18:09 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... I'd like to see the people chose the president, not the judges. I know it's not realistic, but it would be nice to see someone win by the popular vote. Whats this crap with the super delegates that Hilary and Obama want to appeal to? Why do we show up if they end up chosing the candidate against McCain? I get so frustrated with the whole thing. I thought this was supposed to be a democracy. Stacy - Original Message From: Merrill Burghardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:26:22 PM Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... People say I’m paranoid but I believe regardless of votes, that the Republican party will take the election by fraud. Remember the Florida scandal with Vice President Gore? It was within weeks that Bush bought all states digital voting machines with no paper trail. Paranoid no, but a quadnoid, yes. Merrill From:Stacy Harim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:38 PM To: RollinOn; t crook; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... We have had worthy independent run in the past but what ends up happening is they end up taking votes and affecting which democrat or republican is running. I wish people took the independs seriously because they usually come in with good ideas from both sides. Stacy - Original Message From: RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: t crook [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:09:19 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the s.o.s! We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis. I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any. I know I don't want McCain. I know I don't want Hillary. I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish I had back. I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock. Mark Jackson RollinOn From:t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Very well put my friend! - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, (lol). What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see. The job doesn't pay that much and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we depend on too many other countries
Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
While I agree with you on the ethanol, I disagree with some of what you said about the democracy. You are correct that the founding fathers set up our system to be a representative republic, but that was long before the electorate was comprised of mostly literate individuals. The electoral College was set up to avoid giving too much power to a few states, but right now it effectively does that anyway. All you have to do is look at how some past presidential campaigns have specifically targeted only 10 or 11 critical states in order to get elected. I believe, but am not positive, that JFK follow this principle. I thought the 2000 election was a travesty, but I really couldn't complain about 2004. The majority of the people spoke and that's what we've had to live with. No, it's not been fun, but that's what 51% of our people wanted. Just my opinion; I could be wrong. Quadius On 4/25/08, John S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanna say this to get it out of the way. The folks on the news and our fearless leader don't seem to understand that America has been twisted into something so it is more democracy-like, but it is not and was never meant to be a democracy. It is a representative republic. Democracies are weak and pathetic forms of government. It was intended that the people elect their representative and that person, in turn, choose an elector to represent us in the electoral college. The reason for this is simple, the entire nation shouldn't be ruled by decisions made by a few large states. Representatives at state levels would elect Senators. There would be no such thing as lifetime representatives in any government positions except judges and any other positions that are deemed to important to be politicized. (HAH!) The place where individuals were suppose to be able to effect politics was in local party meetings. (Again HAH!) Our forefathers were hopelessly trusting souls. What we have today is a bastardized system that makes everything America ever stood for look like an item on the auction block. We have become victims of our own success and poor judgment. Ethanol fuel,, a brilliant idea, but a politician said it must be made from corn. We are seeing the problem with that idea. Only a politician would think fuel should be drinkable. (ethanol can be made from garbage but America makes it from the one ingredient that is also the main source of starch for a third of the worlds population..how effing arrogant can we get?) Do we have a punishment for causing mass starvation? No. We the people have absolutely no recourse. john
Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom...
We have had worthy independent run in the past but what ends up happening is they end up taking votes and affecting which democrat or republican is running. I wish people took the independs seriously because they usually come in with good ideas from both sides. Stacy - Original Message From: RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: t crook [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:09:19 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the s.o.s! We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis. I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any. I know I don't want McCain. I know I don't want Hillary. I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish I had back. I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock. Mark Jackson RollinOn From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Very well put my friend! - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, (lol). What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see. The job doesn't pay that much and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we depend on too many other countries for survival. But we are a great country for producing wheat, rice and corn. We gotta be much better than that for survival. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super independent to step up. ~peace~ Tim Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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You're not alone. The nonpartisan Citizen’s Alliance for Secure Elections (CASE) is investigating various other voting irregularities in Ohio, among them: * In Auglaize County, a letter dated October 21 under the signature of Ken Nuss, the county’s former deputy director, alleges that Joe McGinnis, a former employee of Election Systems Software (ESS), violated election protocol with his unauthorized use of the county’s central tabulating computer that creates ballots and compiles election results. Nuss, who resigned on October 21, alleges that McGinnis was improperly granted access to the computer the weekend of October 16. * In Miami County, with 100% of the precincts reporting at 9am EST Wednesday, Nov. 3, Bush had 20,807 votes (65.80%) and Kerry had 10,724 (33.92%). Miami reported 31,620 voters. Inexplicably, nearly 19,000 new ballots were added after all precincts reported, boosting Bush’s vote to 33,039 (65.77%) to Kerry’s 17,039 (33.92%). CASE is investigating why the percentage of the vote stayed exactly the same to three one-hundredths of a percentage point after nearly 19,000 new ballots were added. CASE members speculate that it’s either a long-shot coincidence with the last three digits remaining the same, or that someone had pre-set a database and programmed a voting machine to cough up a pre-set percentage of votes. Miami County uses an easily hackable optical scanner with the central counter provided by the Republican-linked vendor ESS. * In Warren County, administrators and election officials locked down the county administrative building and prohibited all independent election observers from watching the vote count. County officials cited “homeland security,” according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. WCPO-TV Channel 9 News Director Bob Morford told the Enquirer that he had “never seen anything like it.” Morford asserted that throwing the media and independent observers out of the centralized counting area under the guise of “homeland security” was a “red herring.” He said, “That’s something to put up when you don’t know what else to put up to keep us out.” In Warren County, Bush picked up an additional 12,000 votes over his 2000 election total. * In Franklin County, where Franklin County Board of Elections Director Matt Damschroder is also the former Executive Director of the county’s Republican Party, the county Board of Elections building looked like a bunker. Scores of city buses blocked parking spaces on the street outside, numerous concrete barricades surrounded the parking lot, and a metal detector was stationed at the only entrance. A phalanx of armed deputy sheriffs swarmed the only site where provisional voters could cast a guaranteed ballot. The Columbus Dispatch confirmed an Election Day Free Press story that far fewer voting machines were present in predominantly black Democratic inner-city voting wards than in the recent primary election and the 2000 presidential election, with their lighter turnouts. The reduced number of machines caused voters to wait up to seven hours and wait an average of approximately three hours. One Republican Central Committee member told the Free Press that Damschroder held back as many as 200 machines and dispersed many of the other machines to affluent suburbs in Franklin County. Mark Jackson RollinOn _ From: Merrill Burghardt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:26 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... People say I’m paranoid but I believe regardless of votes, that the Republican party will take the election by fraud. Remember the Florida scandal with Vice President Gore? It was within weeks that Bush bought all states digital voting machines with no paper trail. Paranoid no, but a quadnoid, yes. Merrill _ From: Stacy Harim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 11:38 PM To: RollinOn; t crook; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... We have had worthy independent run in the past but what ends up happening is they end up taking votes and affecting which democrat or republican is running. I wish people took the independs seriously because they usually come in with good ideas from both sides. Stacy - Original Message From: RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: t crook [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:09:19 PM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the s.o.s! We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis. I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any. I know I don't want McCain. I know I don't want Hillary
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The amount of money donated on the Primary so far is almost 1 billion dollars. That money came from the population and whomever over the last 12 months. We are still months away from the two final candidates, and then some in the final election. I wonder how much more will be spent for that price of freedom. 1 billion dollars could have use to do much better. I hope. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 8:38:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't money always the issue? Money shouldn't be an issue; with such a booming economy haha! I personally would probably feel guilty for spending money on ink right now. I swear my grocery bill is up by 30% for the same goods. **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851)
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True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, (lol). What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see. The job doesn't pay that much and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we depend on too many other countries for survival. But we are a great country for producing wheat, rice and corn. We gotta be much better than that for survival. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super independent to step up. ~peace~ Tim **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851)
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Very well put my friend! - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, (lol). What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see. The job doesn't pay that much and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we depend on too many other countries for survival. But we are a great country for producing wheat, rice and corn. We gotta be much better than that for survival. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super independent to step up. ~peace~ Tim Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super independent to step up. ~peace~ Tim - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57:53 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... The amount of money donated on the Primary so far is almost 1 billion dollars. That money came from the population and whomever over the last 12 months. We are still months away from the two final candidates, and then some in the final election. I wonder how much more will be spent for that price of freedom. 1 billion dollars could have use to do much better. I hope. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 8:38:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't money always the issue? Money shouldn't be an issue; with such a booming economy haha! I personally would probably feel guilty for spending money on ink right now. I swear my grocery bill is up by 30% for the same goods. Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the s.o.s! We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis. I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any. I know I don't want McCain. I know I don't want Hillary. I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish I had back. I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock. Mark Jackson RollinOn _ From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Very well put my friend! - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, (lol). What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see. The job doesn't pay that much and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we depend on too many other countries for survival. But we are a great country for producing wheat, rice and corn. We gotta be much better than that for survival. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super independent to step up. ~peace~ Tim _ Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at HYPERLINK http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851; \nAOL Autos. _ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. HYPERLINK http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8 HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJTry it now. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM
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So true- same ol' shit, different election politics as usual! I don't want any of the three; it is sad to think that we have such three undesirable choices, soon to be two. If we get Hillary; their will be an uprising with the black citizens, if we get Obama- we will have an uprising with the white citizens, and if McCain gets in the women and black voters will feel cheated. We are so screwed with our presidential choices and the outcome. ~peace~ Tim - Original Message From: RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: t crook [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:09:19 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the s.o.s! We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis. I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any. I know I don't want McCain. I know I don't want Hillary. I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish I had back. I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock. Mark Jackson RollinOn From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Very well put my friend! - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, (lol). What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see. The job doesn't pay that much and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we depend on too many other countries for survival. But we are a great country for producing wheat, rice and corn. We gotta be much better than that for survival. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super independent to step up. ~peace~ Tim Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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Hi Mark Others The media does ignore the questions we really want --no, Need-- answered. So they play the same old little he said, she said, they said crap we all have aleady heard a million times and leave it to us to get the rest. I've had to go to all their websites and *really* compare their plans statements on issues... you know, the stuff that truly matters. It takes time but it's just too important to NOT know if we're going to cast a vote for the best one instead of the one looking most rosy at the end of the mud fights. (IMHO) Regards, --Tod RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the s.o.s! We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis. I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any. I know I don't want McCain. I know I don't want Hillary. I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish I had back. I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock. Mark Jackson RollinOn _ From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Very well put my friend! - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, (lol). What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see. The job doesn't pay that much and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we depend on too many other countries for survival. But we are a great country for producing wheat, rice and corn. We gotta be much better than that for survival. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super independent to step up. ~peace~ Tim
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I hear you Tod and like you I've been reading and it comes down to trust in the end I guess. Mark Jackson RollinOn -Original Message- From: Tod E. Santee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:57 PM To: 't crook'; RollinOn; quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Hi Mark Others The media does ignore the questions we really want --no, Need-- answered. So they play the same old little he said, she said, they said crap we all have aleady heard a million times and leave it to us to get the rest. I've had to go to all their websites and *really* compare their plans statements on issues... you know, the stuff that truly matters. It takes time but it's just too important to NOT know if we're going to cast a vote for the best one instead of the one looking most rosy at the end of the mud fights. (IMHO) Regards, --Tod RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the s.o.s! We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis. I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any. I know I don't want McCain. I know I don't want Hillary. I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish I had back. I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock. Mark Jackson RollinOn _ From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Very well put my friend! - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, (lol). What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see. The job doesn't pay that much and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we depend on too many other countries for survival. But we are a great country for producing wheat, rice and corn. We gotta be much better than that for survival. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super independent to step up. ~peace~ Tim No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM
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lol...right wheel. wat is it? never trust a (blank), nor a politician after all is weighed, think i still have 2 go w/ my party, tho i'd much prefer the mccain-giuliani battle over obama-clinton. Eric W Rudd [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Trust, a crystal ball and the optional equipment issued at polling places...a pair of dice. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 1:09:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hear you Tod and like you I've been reading and it comes down to trust in the end I guess. Mark Jackson RollinOn -- Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.
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Mark, Yes, trust is a big part of it but I believe in even bigger part of why people are so disillusioned with presidencies (regardless of party) is because campaigns always have promises. Most people don't seem to understand, or remember, that a campaign promise is really just a promise to TRY. In order to get anything done, and the president needs an agreeable majority of the House of Representatives, Senate, and also, often times in the end, an agreeable majority of the Courts. Without all that, Presidents with even all the absolute best ideas for everyone, can do absolutely nothing but sit as figureheads. Have fun this election season! Regards, --Tod RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hear you Tod and like you I've been reading and it comes down to trust in the end I guess. Mark Jackson RollinOn -Original Message- From: Tod E. Santee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:57 PM To: 't crook'; RollinOn; quad-list@eskimo.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Hi Mark Others The media does ignore the questions we really want --no, Need-- answered. So they play the same old little he said, she said, they said crap we all have aleady heard a million times and leave it to us to get the rest. I've had to go to all their websites and *really* compare their plans statements on issues... you know, the stuff that truly matters. It takes time but it's just too important to NOT know if we're going to cast a vote for the best one instead of the one looking most rosy at the end of the mud fights. (IMHO) Regards, --Tod RollinOn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would help if the media actually asked important questions but it's the s.o.s! We don't really know any details of how any candidate is going to fix Health, Economy, Gas prices, and the housing crisis. I don't know what to do, I mean you got McCain who has 1 story Hillary is making up stories and Obama doesn't really have any. I know I don't want McCain. I know I don't want Hillary. I like Obama but I liked Bush when he first ran and that was mistake I wish I had back. I wish we could get a super independent also Tim but I really think the majority of people don't care and just vote with the flock. Mark Jackson RollinOn _ From: t crook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Very well put my friend! - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:37:29 AM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... True Tim, but what can you expect for almost a billion dollars, these days, (lol). What wants to lay their life on the table for the world to see. The job doesn't pay that much and the USA is not considered the same powerhouse it was once considered as we depend on too many other countries for survival. But we are a great country for producing wheat, rice and corn. We gotta be much better than that for survival. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 9:33:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well none of the candidates have received any of my money. Not to open the political can of worms; but just about everyone I talk to feel (including myself) that we have three poor choices for president. We need a super independent to step up. ~peace~ Tim
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Exactly WHAT money gets spent on isn't nearly as important as the fact that it gets spent on SOMETHING.?? The flow of money is what keeps our economy going.? The people give it to the candidates who skim a little that they can toss around, then it goes to movie makers to make those foolish 'promise-all' adds, and to TV stations, who pay employees, who buy groceries, who pay farmers, who buy tractors the employees of which buy groceries and gas.. on and on.? Even saving your money in a bank keeps it in circulation so someone else can borrow it and keep it moving.? We reward people for borrowing here by giving them write offs? and punish them for saving by way of taxes.? By giving money to foreign countries, the circulation for OUR country slows down a bit - unless of course they buy our products.? A slow economy is the true villain. AZDAVE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 6:57 am Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... The amount of money donated on the Primary so far is almost 1 billion dollars.? That money came from the population and whomever over the last 12 months. We are still months away from the two final candidates, and then some in the final election.? I wonder how much more will be spent for that price of freedom. 1 billion dollars could have use to do much better.? I hope. ? Best Wishes ? In a message dated 4/21/2008 8:38:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't money always the issue??Money shouldn't be an issue;?with such a booming economy haha! I personally?would probably feel guilty for spending money on ink right now. I swear my grocery bill is up by 30% for the same goods. Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.
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- Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:25:40 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Trust, a crystal ball and the optional equipment issued at polling places...a pair of dice. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 1:09:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hear you Tod and like you I've been reading and it comes down to trust in the end I guess. Mark Jackson RollinOn Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
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I look at the up coming election as a no loose situation. I don't care who gets elected as long as Bush is gone. john - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 3:22:16 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... Exactly WHAT money gets spent on isn't nearly as important as the fact that it gets spent on SOMETHING. The flow of money is what keeps our economy going. The people give it to the candidates who skim a little that they can toss around, then it goes to movie makers to make those foolish 'promise-all' adds, and to TV stations, who pay employees, who buy groceries, who pay farmers, who buy tractors the employees of which buy groceries and gas.. on and on. Even saving your money in a bank keeps it in circulation so someone else can borrow it and keep it moving. We reward people for borrowing here by giving them write offs and punish them for saving by way of taxes. By giving money to foreign countries, the circulation for OUR country slows down a bit - unless of course they buy our products. A slow economy is the true villain. AZDAVE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 6:57 am Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] tat- the price we pay for freedom... The amount of money donated on the Primary so far is almost 1 billion dollars. That money came from the population and whomever over the last 12 months. We are still months away from the two final candidates, and then some in the final election. I wonder how much more will be spent for that price of freedom. 1 billion dollars could have use to do much better. I hope. Best Wishes In a message dated 4/21/2008 8:38:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't money always the issue? Money shouldn't be an issue; with such a booming economy haha! I personally would probably feel guilty for spending money on ink right now. I swear my grocery bill is up by 30% for the same goods. Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Get the MapQuest Toolbar, Maps, Traffic, Directions More! Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
