Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

[Daniel Espinoza]

you could always be a doctor, look at house!


Tod E. Santee wrote:

Hi Dianna, Others...

There was a time when I almost always tooks my meds *with* alcohol in the 
morning and/or afternoon.  Usually just before classes and once I got home in 
the afternoon.

Over time I reduced the drinks just because I'd run out of time in preparing in 
the morning and trying to get work done later.  I didn't notice much difference 
at the time.  Being that busy took my mind off the pain (usually).

I did find that any time I wasn't busy my pain would increase.  Have a few 
drinks with meds didn't help.  So eventually I ended up on stronger pain meds.

Even now with stronger meds I notice very little difference when I add alcohol 
into the mix... unless it's a significant amount, and I just can't do that if I 
plan to have a job.  (How about a Drunk Teacher hooked on Pain Meds teaching 
your kids and grading their homework!??  Ya know?)

I still have significant pain but a drink here and there has absolutely no 
effect on it.

As far as withdrawal, I never had problems suddenly stopping long-term 
Oxycontin/Oxycodone or with Hydrocodone(Vicodin).  I know I can reduce my 
current meds or skip doses without problems.  There are times when I can tell 
taking a particular dose won't help so I just skip it.  But there are also 
other times I double-up a dose or two and wash them down with a beer or 
something stronger and it just takes the edge off.

I haven't tried quitting my current hydromorphone entirely.  My doc says it 
would be about a 1-year process.  Based on my record of quitting others 
entirely, I'm thinking less ... but I won't know until I actually do it.

Best wishes to All,
--Tod


 diannal...@aol.com wrote: 
  
I forgot to add that I always run out of meds before I can get them  
refilled. Taking a few more than I should. Anyone else? It's tough to go those  
2,3 maybe 4 days without any! It was so much easier when I numbed (barely) 
with  alcohol :-)

Dianna




  

Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

[Tod E. Santee]

Hi Dianna, Others...

There was a time when I almost always tooks my meds *with* alcohol in the 
morning and/or afternoon.  Usually just before classes and once I got home in 
the afternoon.

Over time I reduced the drinks just because I'd run out of time in preparing in 
the morning and trying to get work done later.  I didn't notice much difference 
at the time.  Being that busy took my mind off the pain (usually).

I did find that any time I wasn't busy my pain would increase.  Have a few 
drinks with meds didn't help.  So eventually I ended up on stronger pain meds.

Even now with stronger meds I notice very little difference when I add alcohol 
into the mix... unless it's a significant amount, and I just can't do that if I 
plan to have a job.  (How about a Drunk Teacher hooked on Pain Meds teaching 
your kids and grading their homework!??  Ya know?)

I still have significant pain but a drink here and there has absolutely no 
effect on it.

As far as withdrawal, I never had problems suddenly stopping long-term 
Oxycontin/Oxycodone or with Hydrocodone(Vicodin).  I know I can reduce my 
current meds or skip doses without problems.  There are times when I can tell 
taking a particular dose won't help so I just skip it.  But there are also 
other times I double-up a dose or two and wash them down with a beer or 
something stronger and it just takes the edge off.

I haven't tried quitting my current hydromorphone entirely.  My doc says it 
would be about a 1-year process.  Based on my record of quitting others 
entirely, I'm thinking less ... but I won't know until I actually do it.

Best wishes to All,
--Tod


 diannal...@aol.com wrote: 
> I forgot to add that I always run out of meds before I can get them  
> refilled. Taking a few more than I should. Anyone else? It's tough to go 
> those  
> 2,3 maybe 4 days without any! It was so much easier when I numbed (barely) 
> with  alcohol :-)
> Dianna

Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

[John S.]

I was like you. At first I just took them as needed. Now, I take almost the 
maximum. I try not to end up short because the withdrawal is worse than the 
pain I have to swap them for. I do order my drugs two days before I should 
because, its ok to get them a day or two early. I usually have a dozen or so 
extra. I set my re-order dates on my computer calendar when I get them so I 
don't forget. I will have a social drink but it makes things worse if I 
actually use it to fill in for oxys. 
I can get oxy's on the street, also. 
Sleep is a great pain killer and I can take tylenol pm's some nights. Befor 
doing the bowel regime, I will try to avoid the narcotic meds and smoke a bud 
to go to sleep with tylenols. 

john



From: "diannal...@aol.com" 
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 7:39:07 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] drugs

I forgot to add that I always run out of meds before I can get them 
refilled. Taking a few more than I should. Anyone else? It's tough to go those 
2,3 maybe 4 days without any! It was so much easier when I numbed (barely) with 
alcohol :-)
Dianna 


  

Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

[Quadius]

As a former state trooper and military police person, I was not necessarily
that tolerant of marijuana use back in the day, but once I was injured and
started to hear more about how people used it to control pain and
spasticity, it definitely changed my tune.  I would have been laughed out of
my troop of by would have arrested a chronically ill individual or a
wheelchair bound person for using marijuana.

One of these days maybe they will legalize it and then I can get off the
three different types of spasticity medications I am currently taking.

John, you were so on target about the disrespect and other discrimination we
face on a daily basis.  The only thing I can do is get out there and fight
the stereotype as much as possible.
Quadius


On 5/8/07, John S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I have 2 sherriffs deputees and a Cincinnati cop in my family. I don't
blow pot smoke in their face but they are well aware of the fact that I use
it to control serious pain. Most cops are understanding about medicinal
marijuana around here. I feel it works best when cooked into cookies. It
lasts much longer. For me, it works better than morphine, but I can't afford
that much of it and I refuse to sell it. It isn't even addictive! The
morphine is covered by Medicare and Medicaid, ironically.
I think some of us may not suffer much pain and I thank god for you all. I
don't know what caused my pain to begin. I'd be happy to know if theres any
studies involving quads. I can't say I like taking the meds I take. Seems
there is a lot of things I don't like about my life. The meds are a minor
inconvienence compared to the disrespect I think many of us deal with. From
inaccessible buildings to batteries that loose there charge overnight and
salespeople ignoring us.

John Smith


- Original Message 
From: Dylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Quad-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:24:14 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

 Yeah, just shut it. I'm sorry but if you're being serious, get a brain.
Haven't you noticed all of the Drug stores in your neighborhood? And don't

kid yourself about who the biggest drug dealers are; they're the
pharmaceutical companies who have the best ads on your tv, like Dow "the
human element". I would be the first to agree that not taking drugs is
healthier for your body in most cases, but drugs also exist for a good
purpose and they do save lives. I'm in the process of weaning myself off
of
morphine(prescribed by UF Shands MD), and although it may have been useful

for me for a time, its negative side effects (like loss of appetite) can
hurt your health as well. The propaganda you're repeating against drugs
ironically comes from drug companies!  isn't that hilarious?! The drug
which certainly would be helpful and useful for many a truly needing
patient, is marijuana, and sadly it is the most ill-reputed drug out
there.
There are many reasons for your beliefs being what they are, and the facts

aren't one of them. Stay strong quads, Dylan

At 03:48 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote:
>People fror crying out loud... don't do drugs!



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Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

[DAANOO]

 
My extreme empathy goes to all of you that write about so much pain.   Do 
your meds help?  I can imagine how miserable you must be .  I am  one of the 
lucky ones just experiences pain in my shoulders, neck and back and a  lot of 
stiffness and my spasticity has increased because of a sore on my  foot.  
Sometimes it increases when I have a UTI and I also experience a lot  of 
congestion 
from the weather and numerous colds and bronchitis throughout the  year, both 
needing suctioning through my trach button.  It keeps me out of  the hospital 
which is really good because I hate to go.  They don't seem to  know how to do 
quad or have enough staff to feed you and bowel routine and I  have tried a 
number of hospitals in the Kansas City area.  I am sure you  know what I mean.




In a message dated 5/8/2007 4:01:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

My  right buttock feels exactly like I am sitting on a thumb tack and 
wiggling  around on it. Nice. Other times it feels like a branding iron is 
being  applied. Even nicer. Both are accompanied by streams of cold sweat.  
Wonderful. Quad life is just a thrill a  minutenot.


>From: Quadius  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: ~LittleQuad~  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,  [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED],     quad-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] drugs
>Date: Tue, 8  May 2007 14:34:10  -0400
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Thankfully  I don't need pain medication for my problems, at least not yet.
I usually  describe the pain on the right side of my neck as being like a
horrific  sunburn that someone is clawing at with dagger like nails.
During the  summer my pain seems to be most intense in the mornings and when
it is  raining, but fortunately it abates after I have been up and moving
around  for a little while.  The winter is a whole other story.  Of  course,
there's also the intermittent burning pain just under my left  clavicle.
Quadius

On 5/8/07, ~LittleQuad~  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>i usually say it feels like  being drug down highway 90+mph naked and on
>fire with gas being added  constantly...yeah, that sounds about right today
>
>*RollinOn  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
>  You know it's  impossible to explain to someone that doesn't have this
>pain how it  hurts without sounding ridiculous, I mean when I tell someone I
>feel  like a thousand people are putting out their cigarettes on me even  I
>don't believe it but it's true.
>Just be glad you're not trying  to explain it.
>
>
>
>  Mark  Jackson
>RollinOn
>
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>  *From:* Quadius  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>*Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2007 8:00  PM
>*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>*Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED];  quad-list@eskimo.com
>*Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L]  drugs
>
>Amen
>  On 5/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Excuse  me, but I'll do  drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving
>because baclofen reduces  our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to 
>live
>with some  comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by the
>long  term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have  pain
>caused by  near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There  is no reason
>why quads should live in misery because someone else can't  feel the pain
>that has become a constant companion in life. I agree it  is wrong to abuse
>drugs, but no doctor would ask a patient to just grin  and bear it. pain 
>will
>kill you if you don't treat it. Your  blood preasure shoots up, you stroke
>and your heart goes down and you  die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove
>the medical value of  marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt
>any of us are  taking drugs we don't need.
>  People, take your drugs  wisely!
>
>  john 31 years post,  C-5
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: quad-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Mon, 7 May  2007 3:48 PM
>Subject: [QUAD-L] drugs
>  People fror crying  out loud... don't do drugs!
>
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Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

[wheelchair]

 
Its all in the butter.
 
Back when, I learned  people often boiled the marihuana in water to  allow 
the resin to rise. A stick of butter was added and melted.  It would  absorb 
the 
resin and then cool.  You only had to scrap the butter off the  top and 
store.  Use it in the brownies or cookies.
But that was back then.
W
 
 
In a message dated 5/8/2007 9:17:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have  2 sheriffs deputies and a Cincinnati cop in my family. I don't blow 
pot smoke  in their face but they are well aware of the fact that I use it to 
control  serious pain. Most cops are understanding about medicinal marijuana 
around  here. I feel it works best when cooked into cookies. It lasts much 
longer. For  me, it works better than morphine, but I can't afford that much of 
it 
and I  refuse to sell it. It isn't even addictive! The morphine is covered by  
Medicare and Medicaid, ironically. 


 



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Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

[John S.]

I have 2 sherriffs deputees and a Cincinnati cop in my family. I don't blow pot 
smoke in their face but they are well aware of the fact that I use it to 
control serious pain. Most cops are understanding about medicinal marijuana 
around here. I feel it works best when cooked into cookies. It lasts much 
longer. For me, it works better than morphine, but I can't afford that much of 
it and I refuse to sell it. It isn't even addictive! The morphine is covered by 
Medicare and Medicaid, ironically. 
I think some of us may not suffer much pain and I thank god for you all. I 
don't know what caused my pain to begin. I'd be happy to know if theres any 
studies involving quads. I can't say I like taking the meds I take. Seems there 
is a lot of things I don't like about my life. The meds are a minor 
inconvienence compared to the disrespect I think many of us deal with. From 
inaccessible buildings to batteries that loose there charge overnight and 
salespeople ignoring us.

John Smith 


- Original Message 
From: Dylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Quad-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2007 6:24:14 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] drugs


Yeah, just shut it. I'm sorry but if you're being serious, get a brain. 
Haven't you noticed all of the Drug stores in your neighborhood? And don't 
kid yourself about who the biggest drug dealers are; they're the 
pharmaceutical companies who have the best ads on your tv, like Dow "the 
human element". I would be the first to agree that not taking drugs is 
healthier for your body in most cases, but drugs also exist for a good 
purpose and they do save lives. I'm in the process of weaning myself off of 
morphine(prescribed by UF Shands MD), and although it may have been useful 
for me for a time, its negative side effects (like loss of appetite) can 
hurt your health as well. The propaganda you're repeating against drugs 
ironically comes from drug companies!  isn't that hilarious?! The drug 
which certainly would be helpful and useful for many a truly needing 
patient, is marijuana, and sadly it is the most ill-reputed drug out there. 
There are many reasons for your beliefs being what they are, and the facts 
aren't one of them. Stay strong quads, Dylan

At 03:48 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote:
>People fror crying out loud... don't do drugs!

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Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

[Dylan]

Yeah, just shut it. I'm sorry but if you're being serious, get a brain. 
Haven't you noticed all of the Drug stores in your neighborhood? And don't 
kid yourself about who the biggest drug dealers are; they're the 
pharmaceutical companies who have the best ads on your tv, like Dow "the 
human element". I would be the first to agree that not taking drugs is 
healthier for your body in most cases, but drugs also exist for a good 
purpose and they do save lives. I'm in the process of weaning myself off of 
morphine(prescribed by UF Shands MD), and although it may have been useful 
for me for a time, its negative side effects (like loss of appetite) can 
hurt your health as well. The propaganda you're repeating against drugs 
ironically comes from drug companies!  isn't that hilarious?! The drug 
which certainly would be helpful and useful for many a truly needing 
patient, is marijuana, and sadly it is the most ill-reputed drug out there. 
There are many reasons for your beliefs being what they are, and the facts 
aren't one of them. Stay strong quads, Dylan


At 03:48 PM 5/7/2007, you wrote:

People fror crying out loud... don't do drugs!

Re: FW: RE: [QUAD-L] drugs

[~LittleQuad~]

i agree too. somehow my warning got turned into a declaration or something. no 
wonder i been silent 6 months lol

William Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
This misguided notion that there is nobility in suffering is a crock. If a 
drug exists that will make me feel better or make my life more tolerable, 
bring it on. Quad life is too short and full of misery to spend it on an 
unecessary cross.

>
>i usually say it feels like being drug down highway 90+mph naked and on 
>fire with gas being added constantly...yeah, that sounds about right today
>
>RollinOn wrote: v\:* 
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> You know it’s impossible to explain to someone that doesn’t have 
>this pain how it hurts without sounding ridiculous, I mean when I tell 
>someone I feel like a thousand people are putting out their cigarettes on 
>me even I don’t believe it but it’s true.
> Just be glad you’re not trying to explain it.
>
>
>
> Mark Jackson
> RollinOn
>
>
>
>-
>
> From: Quadius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:00 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] drugs
>
>
> Amen
> On 5/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Excuse me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving 
>because baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to 
>live with some comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by 
>the long term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have 
>pain caused by near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no 
>reason why quads should live in misery because someone else can't feel the 
>pain that has become a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to 
>abuse drugs, but no doctor would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. 
>pain will kill you if you don't treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, 
>you stroke and your heart goes down and you die. Most quadriplegics can 
>actually prove the medical value of marijuana as a short term nerve pain 
>medicine. I doubt any of us are taking drugs we don't need.
>
> People, take your drugs wisely!
>
>
>
> john 31 years post, C-5
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: quad-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 3:48 PM
>Subject: [QUAD-L] drugs
> People fror crying out loud... don't do drugs!
>
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FW: RE: [QUAD-L] drugs

[William Willis]

This misguided notion that there is nobility in suffering is a crock. If a 
drug exists that will make me feel better or make my life more tolerable, 
bring it on. Quad life is too short and full of misery to spend it on an 
unecessary cross.




i usually say it feels like being drug down highway 90+mph naked and on 
fire with gas being added constantly...yeah, that sounds about right today


RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:v\:* 
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   You know it’s impossible to explain to someone that doesn’t have 
this pain how it hurts without sounding ridiculous, I mean when I tell 
someone I feel like a thousand people are putting out their cigarettes on 
me even I don’t believe it but it’s true.

  Just be glad you’re not trying to explain it.



Mark Jackson
 RollinOn



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  From: Quadius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] drugs


  Amen
On 5/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Excuse  me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving 
because baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to 
live with some comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by 
the long term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have 
pain caused by  near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no 
reason why quads should live in misery because someone else can't feel the 
pain that has become a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to 
abuse drugs, but no doctor would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. 
pain will kill you if you don't treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, 
you stroke and your heart goes down and you die. Most quadriplegics can 
actually prove the medical value of marijuana as a short term nerve pain 
medicine. I doubt any of us are taking drugs we don't need.


People, take your drugs wisely!



john 31 years post, C-5




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Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] drugs
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FW: Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

[William Willis]

My right buttock feels exactly like I am sitting on a thumb tack and 
wiggling around on it. Nice. Other times it feels like a branding iron is 
being applied. Even nicer. Both are accompanied by streams of cold sweat. 
Wonderful. Quad life is just a thrill a minutenot.




From: Quadius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ~LittleQuad~ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],quad-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] drugs
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:34:10 -0400



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Thankfully I don't need pain medication for my problems, at least not yet.
I usually describe the pain on the right side of my neck as being like a
horrific sunburn that someone is clawing at with dagger like nails.
During the summer my pain seems to be most intense in the mornings and when
it is raining, but fortunately it abates after I have been up and moving
around for a little while.  The winter is a whole other story.  Of course,
there's also the intermittent burning pain just under my left clavicle.
Quadius

On 5/8/07, ~LittleQuad~ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


i usually say it feels like being drug down highway 90+mph naked and on
fire with gas being added constantly...yeah, that sounds about right today

*RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

 You know it's impossible to explain to someone that doesn't have this
pain how it hurts without sounding ridiculous, I mean when I tell someone I
feel like a thousand people are putting out their cigarettes on me even I
don't believe it but it's true.
Just be glad you're not trying to explain it.



 Mark Jackson
   RollinOn

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 *From:* Quadius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Monday, May 07, 2007 8:00 PM
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

Amen
 On 5/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Excuse  me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving
because baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to 
live

with some comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by the
long term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have pain
caused by  near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no reason
why quads should live in misery because someone else can't feel the pain
that has become a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to abuse
drugs, but no doctor would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. pain 
will

kill you if you don't treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, you stroke
and your heart goes down and you die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove
the medical value of marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt
any of us are taking drugs we don't need.
 People, take your drugs wisely!

 john 31 years post, C-5


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Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

[Quadius]

Thankfully I don't need pain medication for my problems, at least not yet.
I usually describe the pain on the right side of my neck as being like a
horrific sunburn that someone is clawing at with dagger like nails.
During the summer my pain seems to be most intense in the mornings and when
it is raining, but fortunately it abates after I have been up and moving
around for a little while.  The winter is a whole other story.  Of course,
there's also the intermittent burning pain just under my left clavicle.
Quadius

On 5/8/07, ~LittleQuad~ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


i usually say it feels like being drug down highway 90+mph naked and on
fire with gas being added constantly...yeah, that sounds about right today

*RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

 You know it's impossible to explain to someone that doesn't have this
pain how it hurts without sounding ridiculous, I mean when I tell someone I
feel like a thousand people are putting out their cigarettes on me even I
don't believe it but it's true.
Just be glad you're not trying to explain it.



 Mark Jackson
   RollinOn

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Amen
 On 5/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Excuse  me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving
because baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to live
with some comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by the
long term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have pain
caused by  near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no reason
why quads should live in misery because someone else can't feel the pain
that has become a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to abuse
drugs, but no doctor would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. pain will
kill you if you don't treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, you stroke
and your heart goes down and you die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove
the medical value of marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt
any of us are taking drugs we don't need.
 People, take your drugs wisely!

 john 31 years post, C-5


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[~LittleQuad~]

i usually say it feels like being drug down highway 90+mph naked and on fire 
with gas being added constantly...yeah, that sounds about right today

RollinOn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  
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{behavior:url(#default#VML);}You know it’s impossible to 
explain to someone that doesn’t have this pain how it hurts without sounding 
ridiculous, I mean when I tell someone I feel like a thousand people are 
putting out their cigarettes on me even I don’t believe it but it’s true.
  Just be glad you’re not trying to explain it.
   
   
   
Mark Jackson
 RollinOn

   
  
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Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

   
  Amen
On 5/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
  Excuse  me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving 
because baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to live 
with some comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by the long 
term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have pain caused by 
 near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no reason why quads 
should live in misery because someone else can't feel the pain that has become 
a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to abuse drugs, but no doctor 
would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. pain will kill you if you don't 
treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, you stroke and your heart goes down 
and you die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove the medical value of 
marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt any of us are taking 
drugs we don't need. 

People, take your drugs wisely!

 

john 31 years post, C-5  

   

  
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[~LittleQuad~]

AMEN...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Excuse  me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of 
us are surviving because baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that 
helps us to live with some comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain 
caused by the long term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us 
have pain caused by  near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no 
reason why quads should live in misery because someone else can't feel the pain 
that has become a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to abuse 
drugs, but no doctor would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. pain will 
kill you if you don't treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, you stroke and 
your heart goes down and you die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove the 
medical value of marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt any of 
us are taking drugs we don't need.
  People, take your drugs wisely!
   
  john 31 years post, C-5  
   
 
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[RollinOn]

You know it’s impossible to explain to someone that doesn’t have this pain
how it hurts without sounding ridiculous, I mean when I tell someone I feel
like a thousand people are putting out their cigarettes on me even I don’t
believe it but it’s true.

Just be glad you’re not trying to explain it.

 

 

 

Mark Jackson

   RollinOn

 

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From: Quadius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

 

Amen

On 5/7/07, HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Excuse  me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving because
baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to live with
some comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by the long
term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have pain caused
by  near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no reason why
quads should live in misery because someone else can't feel the pain that
has become a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to abuse drugs,
but no doctor would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. pain will kill
you if you don't treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, you stroke and
your heart goes down and you die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove the
medical value of marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt any
of us are taking drugs we don't need. 

People, take your drugs wisely!

 

john 31 years post, C-5  

 

 
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Re: [QUAD-L] drugs

[Quadius]

Amen

On 5/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Excuse  me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving
because baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to live
with some comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by the
long term irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have pain
caused by  near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no reason
why quads should live in misery because someone else can't feel the pain
that has become a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to abuse
drugs, but no doctor would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. pain will
kill you if you don't treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, you stroke
and your heart goes down and you die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove
the medical value of marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt
any of us are taking drugs we don't need.
People, take your drugs wisely!

john 31 years post, C-5


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Excuse  me, but I'll do drugs till I die. Manby of us are surviving because 
baclofen reduces our muscle spasms to a degree that helps us to live with some 
comfort. Many quads are living with profound pain caused by the long term 
irregular flow of spinal fluid post injury. Many of us have pain caused by  
near constant UTI's from internal catheters. There is no reason why quads 
should live in misery because someone else can't feel the pain that has become 
a constant companion in life. I agree it is wrong to abuse drugs, but no doctor 
would ask a patient to just grin and bear it. pain will kill you if you don't 
treat it. Your blood preasure shoots up, you stroke and your heart goes down 
and you die. Most quadriplegics can actually prove the medical value of 
marijuana as a short term nerve pain medicine. I doubt any of us are taking 
drugs we don't need.
People, take your drugs wisely!
 
john 31 years post, C-5   
 
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[David K. Kelmer]

Hi Stuntman,
 
The prices went up when S.S. put in the prescription program.  Medicare asks me if I suspect fraud to report it.  I wonder if this would apply as fraud?
 
With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 28 Years PostTexas, USA  Your Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Now, of course, I can't vouch for the accuracy. Just for your info.Stuntman(The author is a federal Budget Analyst in Washington, D.C., her name, titleand contacts are listed at the end.)Did you ever wonder how much it costs a drug company for the activeingredient in prescription medications? Some people think it must cost alot, since many drugs sell for more than $2.00 per tablet. We did a searchof offshore chemical synthesizers that supply the active ingredients foundin drugs approved by the FDA. As we have revealed in past issues of LifeExtension, a significant percentage of drugs sold in the United Statescontain active ingredients made in other countries. In our independentinvestigation of how much profit drug companies really make, we obtainedthe actual price o!
 f active
 ingredients used in some of the most populardrugs sold in America.The chart below speaks for itself.Celebrex 100 mgConsumer price (100 tablets): $130.27Cost of general active ingredients: $0.60Percent markup: 21,712%Claritin 10 mgConsumer Price (100 tablets): $215.17Cost of general active ingredients: $0.71Percent markup: 30,306%Keflex 250 mgConsumer Price (100 tablets): $157.39Cost of general active ingredients: $1.88Percent markup: 8,372%Lipitor 20 mgConsumer Price (100 tablets): $272.37Cost of general active ingredients: $5.80Percent markup: 4,696%Norvasec 10 mgConsumer price (100 tablets): $188.29Cost of general active ingredients: $0.14Percent markup: 134,493%Paxil 20 mgConsumer price (100 tablets): $220.27Cost of general active ingredients: $7.60Percent markup: 2,898%Prevacid 30 mgConsumer price (100 tablets): $44.77Cost o!
 f general
 active ingredients: $1.01Percent markup: 34,136%Prilosec 20 mgConsumer price (100 tablets): $360.97Cost of general active ingredients $0.52Percent markup: 69,417%Prozac 20 mgConsumer price (100 tablets) : $247.47Cost of general active ingredients: $0.11Percent markup: 224,973%Tenormin 50 mgConsumer price (100 tablets): $104.47Cost of general active ingredients: $0.13Percent markup: 80,362%Vasotec 10 mgConsumer price (100 tablets): $102.37Cost of general active ingredients: $0.20Percent marku p: 51,185%Xanax 1 mgConsumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024Percent markup: 569,958%Zestril 20 mgConsumer price (100 tablets) $89.89Cost of general active ingredients $3.20Percent markup: 2,809%Zithromax 600 mgConsumer price (100 tablets): $1,482.19Cost of general active ingredients: $18.78Percent markup:
 7,892%Zocor 40 mgConsumer price (100 tablets): $350.27Cost of general active ingredients: $8.63Percent markup: 4,059%Zoloft 50 mgConsumer price: $206.87Cost of general active ingredients: $1.75Percent markup: 11,821%Since the cost of prescription drugs is so outrageous, I thought everyoneshould know about this. Please read the following and pass it on. It paysto shop around. This helps to solve the mystery as to why they can affordto put a Walgreen's on every corner. On Monday night, Steve Wilson, aninvestigative reporter for Channel 7 News in Detroit, did a story on genericdrug price gouging by pharmacies. He found in his investigation, that someof these generic drugs were marked up as much as 3,000% or more. Yes,that's not a typo... three thousand percent! So often, we blame the drugcompanies for the high cost of drugs, and usually rightfully so. But inthis case, the fa!
 ult
 clearly lies with the pharmacies themselves. Forexample, if you had to buy a prescription drug, and bought the name brand,you might pay $100 for 100 pills.The pharmacist might tell you that if you get the generic equivalent, theywould only cost $80, making you think you are "saving" $20. What thepharmacistis not telling you is that those 100 generic pills may have only cost him$10!&nbs p;At the end of the report, one of the anchors asked Mr. Wilsonwhether or not there were any pharmacies that did not adhere to thispractice, and he said that Costco consistently charged little over theircost for the generic drugs.I went to the Costco site, where you can look up any drug, and get itsonline price. It says that the in-store prices are consistent with theonline prices. I was appalled. Just to give you one example from my ownexperience, I had to use the drug, Compazine, which helps prevent naus!
 ea
 inchemo patients.I used the generic equivalent, which cost $54.99 for 60 pills at CVS. Ichecked the price at Costco, and I could have bought 100 pills for $19.89.For 145 of my pain pills, I paid $72.57. I could have got 150 at Costco for$28.08.I would like to mention, that although Costco is a "membership" type store,you do NOT have to be a member to buy prescriptions there, as it is afederally r egula

Re: [QUAD-L] Drugs

[Your Name]

Now, of course, I can't vouch for the accuracy. Just for your info.
Stuntman


(The author is a federal Budget Analyst in Washington, D.C., her name, 
title
and contacts are listed at the end.)

Did you ever wonder how much it costs a drug company for the active
ingredient in prescription medications?  Some people think it must cost 
a
lot, since many drugs sell for more than $2.00 per tablet.  We did a 
search
of offshore chemical synthesizers that supply the active ingredients 
found
in drugs approved by the FDA.   As we have revealed in past issues of 
Life
Extension, a significant percentage of drugs sold in the United States
contain active ingredients made in other countries.  In our independent
investigation of how much profit  drug companies really make, we 
obtained
the actual price of active ingredients used in some of the most popular
drugs sold in America.

The chart below speaks for itself.

Celebrex 100 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $130.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.60
Percent markup: 21,712%

Claritin 10 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $215.17
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.71
Percent markup: 30,306%

Keflex 250 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $157.39
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.88
Percent markup: 8,372%

Lipitor 20 mg
Consumer Price (100 tablets): $272.37
Cost of general active ingredients: $5.80
Percent markup: 4,696%

Norvasec 10 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $188.29
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.14
Percent markup: 134,493%

Paxil 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $220.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $7.60
Percent markup: 2,898%

Prevacid 30 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $44.77
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.01
Percent markup: 34,136%

Prilosec 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $360.97
Cost of general active ingredients $0.52
Percent markup: 69,417%

Prozac 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) : $247.47
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.11
Percent markup: 224,973%

Tenormin 50 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $104.47
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.13
Percent markup: 80,362%

Vasotec 10 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $102.37
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.20
Percent marku p: 51,185%

Xanax 1 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) : $136.79
Cost of general active ingredients: $0.024
Percent markup: 569,958%

Zestril 20 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets) $89.89
Cost of general active ingredients $3.20
Percent markup: 2,809%

Zithromax 600 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $1,482.19
Cost of general active ingredients: $18.78
Percent markup: 7,892%

Zocor 40 mg
Consumer price (100 tablets): $350.27
Cost of general active ingredients: $8.63
Percent markup: 4,059%

Zoloft 50 mg
Consumer price: $206.87
Cost of general active ingredients: $1.75
Percent markup: 11,821%

Since the cost of prescription drugs is so outrageous, I thought 
everyone
should know about this.  Please read the following and pass it on. It 
pays
to  shop around.  This helps to solve the mystery as to why they can 
afford
to put a Walgreen's on every corner.  On Monday night, Steve Wilson, an
investigative reporter for Channel 7 News in Detroit, did a story on 
generic
drug price gouging by pharmacies.  He found in his investigation, that 
some
of these generic drugs were marked up as much as 3,000% or more.  Yes,
that's not a typo... three thousand percent! So often, we blame the drug
companies for the high cost of drugs, and usually rightfully so.  But in
this case, the fault clearly lies with the pharmacies themselves.  For
example, if you had to buy a prescription drug, and bought the name 
brand,
you might pay $100 for 100 pills.

The pharmacist might tell you that if you get the generic equivalent, 
they
would only cost $80, making you think you are "saving" $20.  What the
pharmacist
is not telling you is that those 100 generic pills may have only cost 
him
$10!&nbs p;At the end of the report, one of the anchors asked Mr. Wilson
whether or not there were any pharmacies that did not adhere to this
practice, and he said that Costco consistently charged little over their
cost for the generic drugs.

I went to the Costco site, where you can look up any drug, and get its
online price. It says that the in-store prices are consistent with the
online prices.  I was appalled.  Just to give you one example from my 
own
experience, I had to use the drug, Compazine, which helps prevent 
nausea in
chemo patients.

I used the generic equivalent, which cost $54.99 for 60 pills at CVS. I
checked the price at Costco, and I could have bought 100 pills for 
$19.89.
For 145 of my pain pills, I paid $72.57.  I could have got 150 at 
Costco for
$28.08.

I would like to mention, that although Costco is a "membership" type 
store,
you do NOT have to be a member to buy prescriptions there, as it is a
federally r egulated substance.  You just tell them at the door that you
wish to use the pharmacy, and they will let you in. (this is true, I