[RBW] Re: Basketed Hilsen
Oh, and the bike is gorgeous, too! But I still like the garden. On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.netwrote: Great looking bike. I love that framer/bar tape color combo! -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: September SoCal Riv Ride in Santa Monica
Holy cow! What a ride. If you've ever found yourself longing at the Mt. Diablo photos on RBW, and find yourself in Santa Monica, head up to the hills for a mixter. Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157622155202441/ Terse ride report: 12 brave souls climbed up Sepulveda, up to the end of Mullholland Dr., then all the heck up and down over the Santa Monica mountains to make for one of the best mixed terrain rides I've ever been on. I'd say the ride was about 15/85 pavement/dirt. This was an absolutely beautiful ride, and of course, great company. Thanks especially to Seth for the idea and Aaron for hosting us at his place. I wanna do it again. On Sep 6, 10:29 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Fantastic ride, from about 10:30 - 4:00??? Tire of choice (chosen by choosy cyclists!) was a 35mm Pasela. We rode across Santa Monica and up Sepulveda to Mulholland. Rode that to Private Elite School Corner and then jumped onto the dirt. Rolling fire roads that were mostly smooth, and only had to dodge one gentleman sitting in the middle of the road. After that traumatizing event, a few folks decided to call it quits, while the rest continued to climb a few (steep) sections to overlook the Pacific. Then a QUICK downhill to the beach where the real danger lies on the multi-use trail. EXCELLENT sandwiches from the local deli (only an hour wait, not too bad) accompanied by cold beer. A fantastic day with a bunch of new riders that showed up and took in the lugged goodness. Caption-less pictures here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157622279022002/ Maybe next month a mixer ride in O.C.? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam in Denver
Here's a few links of the bike I spied in Denver a few weeks ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/3885839657/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/3885839181/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/3886632346/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/3886626786/in/photostream/ On Aug 24, 6:23 pm, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Leslie, That might have been mine. I've seen one other QB (orange, I think) in passing since I moved here last month. I had been looking forward to RMBS for a while, but a crazy busy weekend keep me away. Look forward to seeing your pics! -JayDenver, CO On Aug 24, 1:46 pm, Lesli lesli.lar...@gmail.com wrote: Saw a snappy looking silver Quickbeam in downtownDenveryesterday in full Riv regalia. In town to visit friends and attend the Rocky Mountain Bicycle Show. Saw some nice looking bikes at the show including frames by Mark Nobilette and Bilenky. Will post flickr link next week. Lesli Larson Eugene, OR --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: IGH Atlantis type bikes was: Tried and LOVED - Silver Bar End Shifters
I had a Peregrine for a while. It was nice but not great: it really handled more like a mountain bike than a road bike, ie, somewhat slowly. I preferred my Crosscheck in most every way, although the Peregrine was pretty sharp looking. The disc brakes make setting up racks and fenders kind of fiddly. It was also quite heavy, just over six pounds for my large frame with the EBB installed. The fork was close to three. Eric On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:57 AM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Nice looking frames, and pretty attractive prices, even with shipping. I wasn't familiar with them. Does anyone have personal experience with the company frames? Michael On Sep 6, 10:21 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: I've got no problem with friction shifting but yesterday I realized why it would never work for my partner. Since I've been off the bike for a while now she decided she wanted to try riding my atlantis and I decided I wanted to see if she liked it. So she took it out for a little spin and shifted. Now, my partner is completely deaf and while I'm standing there watching her get comfortable I'm hearing 'clank clank clank clank' as the derailler is not quite lined up. Made me say 'hmmm'. Here's a situation where friction just isn't going to work so well. There's a lot of friction shifting which requires some amount of hearing. And as much as someone tells me its about feeling it I think they are full of crap that it isn't about hearing it, too. -sv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
No, haven't been able to do that. And not sure I'd want to. For a few simple reasons. First off, the weather here in Minnesota isn't consistently nice. So having a bike I don't really care that much about for bad weather riding (aka winter) is a good luxury. Then there's travel. Nice to have a bike that can go on trips. Especially if flight is involved. Not common for me at least. But have a Brompton ready just in case. Lastly, there are times when I want a different ride. Not just the feel of a different bike, but a different setup. Say from drops to Albatross bars. It's easier to just grab a different bike than to switch out bars/stem, etc. Just personally unable to get down to one bicycle. Of course, am the same way about guitars. Can't seem to get down to that one perfect guit-box. So maybe that says more about me than about the bikes and/or guitars? Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 6, 10:27�pm, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: I have always had a difficult time owning just one bicycle. �It seems that no matter how many times I imagine the most ideal bicycle model and setup I change my mind after a few weeks or months and alter the setup. �My solution to this is to have more than one bike, set up and designed for different purposes or types of riding. �There is a correlation with how much I enjoy bicycling and how many bikes I own - they seem to feed off each other and both increase because of each other. �This trend changed a little when I found Rivendell. �The versatility of their bike gives the potential for one frame to take on many different lives and for one bike setup to have enough crossover into other areas that a near all rounder status can be reached. �Has anyone been able to achieve a one-bike-for-everything-I-need goal? � I think part of the situation is that with �enthusiasts of anything the line between need and want gets blurry. Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Intro from a soon-to-be AHH owner
Will, We have a few things in common. I followed up my Kogswell P/R with the purchase of a AHH. Although there are significant differences, I am enjoying both bikes. I keep threatening to do a shoot-out comparison on my blog, but it hasn't happened yet. Oh yeah, I'm married, have two daughters, and think my wife is the most incredible. Thanks for the beautiful photos of the P/R. We are looking forward to seeing the AHH. On Sep 6, 4:36 pm, William F. House williamfho...@gmail.com wrote: Hello RBW Owners Group, Just wanted to say hi and introduce myself. I'm 38, married, have two beautiful girls (Jack, 8 and Pixie 6 months) and I have the most incredible wife in the world. I'm studying medicine and try to enjoy a little free time on occasion. I've just recently gotten into biking and have a Kogswell P/R - which you can check out on Flickr if you're so inclined (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lushmojo/sets/72157620927931213/ ). I just put a deposit on a 61cm A. Homer Hilsen. It's going to be a dark green custom paint and set up as a single-speed (with a chain tensioner). I just ordered some VO stainless fenders for it and can't wait to get the AHH out and about here in Boulder, Colorado. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Now: Rough Rider Weekend 2010 was: Rough Riding with Grant Petersen
True, Jim, but you must admit we tend to talk to ourselves a lot!! --- On Sun, 9/6/09, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: We're kind of a clannish bunch up this way. We generally don't tell ourselves anything. - Jim hunh? -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
I used to feel a little guilty owning five fully functional bicycles and approximately a dozen more in various stages of disassembly. My parts bikes are mostly used junk but I can and do use them for parts from time to time. Most of my complete bikes are old stuff from the 80's except for a newer recumbent and one touring style bike. Actually I plan to sell three of them and reduce the herd to a single speed commuter and my touring style all rounder bike. I could actually use just one, probably the Atlantis clone with gearing since I live in the mountains. My single speed is a partial commute bike when I get to civilization but I'd like a folder (Bike Friday) for that. If you ride quite a bit then you really do need a spare, especially if you commute regularly. Tires wear, as do chains, wheels, bearings etc. and its nice to have something that you can ride while you service or repair your main bike. I suppose one could make a mountain style bike or cyclocross bike do everything with the option for different tires. I ride with fenders on all my bikes and ride trails with my street tires since they are wide but then I'm not a hard core dirt rider. I prefer to ride slow and precise in the dirt so I don't need shocks. I guess it boils down to what type of rider you are. My answer is yes, I could do all my style of riding on my touring bike with wide tires. On Sep 6, 8:27 pm, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: I have always had a difficult time owning just one bicycle. It seems that no matter how many times I imagine the most ideal bicycle model and setup I change my mind after a few weeks or months and alter the setup. My solution to this is to have more than one bike, set up and designed for different purposes or types of riding. There is a correlation with how much I enjoy bicycling and how many bikes I own - they seem to feed off each other and both increase because of each other. This trend changed a little when I found Rivendell. The versatility of their bike gives the potential for one frame to take on many different lives and for one bike setup to have enough crossover into other areas that a near all rounder status can be reached. Has anyone been able to achieve a one-bike-for-everything-I-need goal? I think part of the situation is that with enthusiasts of anything the line between need and want gets blurry. Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cadence Question
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Fai Mao i.am.fai@gmail.com wrote: Several 100 miles into the new Sam Hillborne and I’ve noticed something odd. It seems that I now ride a lower cadence than on the old bike. [...] is this something to do with going from a 78 degree seat tube to 71.5 degree seat tube? Or, is it possibly a function of the longer chain? 78 degree seat tube? Is that correct? Even if 78 is a mistake, and you went from a 73 to a 71.5, that would (all else equal) put you further behind the bb, and thus encourage a more powerful and slower cadence. Look at what happens when you climb: you shift backward on your saddle. But when you sprint, you shift forward. As for the longer chain, how do you figure that would slow your cadence? I can't get it to compute. FWIW, I made the mistake long ago of chasing KOPS -- knee over pedal spindle, the conventional saddle fore-and-aft fitting guide -- and ended up with my saddle all the way forward on the rails. Grant advised me to shove it back and bring the bars in and up, and, now, almost 15 years later, I use a rubber mallet to ensure my saddles are all the way back on the post (I use a post with considerable setback). AND, I have gone from spinning low gears fast to pushing larger ones slow, and I feel much stronger and more comfortable; in particular, my back is more comfortable even though my bars are still 2 below saddle. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Intro from a soon-to-be AHH owner
Two little girls *and* studying medicine! If you still find time to ride, good for you! Welcome, and let us have photos --- well, don't push it, given your schedule. (I was married to a pediatrician for six years and know at least second hand what med school is like. I have one (1) eight year old daughter myself. 54, though.) On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 3:36 PM, William F. House williamfho...@gmail.comwrote: Hello RBW Owners Group, Just wanted to say hi and introduce myself. I'm 38, married, have two beautiful girls (Jack, 8 and Pixie 6 months) and I have the most incredible wife in the world. I'm studying medicine and try to enjoy a little free time on occasion. I've just recently gotten into biking and have a Kogswell P/R - which you can check out on Flickr if you're so inclined ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/lushmojo/sets/72157620927931213/ ). I just put a deposit on a 61cm A. Homer Hilsen. It's going to be a dark green custom paint and set up as a single-speed (with a chain tensioner). I just ordered some VO stainless fenders for it and can't wait to get the AHH out and about here in Boulder, Colorado. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
I could do it if I had to, and have an All-Rounder for just that reason. It's basically a Hilsen with cantis and fancy paint. I have two wheelsets for it, a 36h Phil with knobbies to turn it into a mtn. bike, and 32h Dura-Ace (spaced to 135mm) with 35mm Paselas for everything else. I could get a third lightweight wheelset for road use, but I do have a road bike to handle my lightweight racer visions of grandeur. I even have horizontal drop outs on it to convert to a SS or IGH if the need arises somewhere down the line. When I ordered it, this was all thought out as I could only justify getting a custom bike if it could do everything. Luckily at this point in life, I don't have to only own one bike. I have drastically cut down the number of bikes in the household (if five + a tandem could be considered cutting down). On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:27 PM, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: I have always had a difficult time owning just one bicycle. It seems that no matter how many times I imagine the most ideal bicycle model and setup I change my mind after a few weeks or months and alter the setup. My solution to this is to have more than one bike, set up and designed for different purposes or types of riding. There is a correlation with how much I enjoy bicycling and how many bikes I own - they seem to feed off each other and both increase because of each other. This trend changed a little when I found Rivendell. The versatility of their bike gives the potential for one frame to take on many different lives and for one bike setup to have enough crossover into other areas that a near all rounder status can be reached. Has anyone been able to achieve a one-bike-for-everything-I-need goal? I think part of the situation is that with enthusiasts of anything the line between need and want gets blurry. Jason -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cadence Question
Pedaling cadence is over blown in my opinion. We are not machines . . .nor should we try to act like them. We have the capacity to spin fast, slow and everywhere in between. Your body lets you know how it will go best . I would just forget about your cadence . . . .and listen to what your body tells you. I take it you have a computer? . . . . disable or cover up the cadence number with black tape! I could say just ditch the whole computer, but I don't want to insult you :) I hear ya about the knee over pedal fallacy Patrick. I think I'm inches behind where that would put me . Saddle back, long cranks, and smooth pedaling . . . it's like floating over the road :) Slow cadence is another myth . . . as is longer cranks are hard on your knees. How about the ball of the foot over the spindle thing too? LOL!! There's as many ways to ride as there are people. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam in Denver
Why the velcro strap on the left brake lever? Is it a parking device? Does it prevent tennis elbow? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: September SoCal Riv Ride in Santa Monica
Amazing Ride, Amazing Company, Amazing Hospitality, thanks again boys!! On Sep 6, 10:29�pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Fantastic ride, from about 10:30 - 4:00??? �Tire of choice (chosen by choosy cyclists!) was a 35mm Pasela. �We rode across Santa Monica and up Sepulveda to Mulholland. �Rode that to Private Elite School Corner and then jumped onto the dirt. �Rolling fire roads that were mostly smooth, and only had to dodge one gentleman sitting in the middle of the road. �After that traumatizing event, a few folks decided to call it quits, while the rest continued to climb a few (steep) sections to overlook the Pacific. �Then a QUICK downhill to the beach where the real danger lies on the multi-use trail. �EXCELLENT sandwiches from the local deli (only an hour wait, not too bad) accompanied by cold beer. �A fantastic day with a bunch of new riders that showed up and took in the lugged goodness. Caption-less pictures here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157622279022002/ Maybe next month a mixer ride in O.C.? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. �~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: women's bikes
I have both a Rambouillet and a custom Luna, both beautiful bikes, both pictured here: http://harmonias.com/bikes/ Though my husband's two Rivendells fit him perfectly, my Ramb is not a perfect fit for me, thus i got a custom Luna from Margo Conover, which fits me like a glove and is supremely comfortable for me, and I set up my Ramb as my errand bike with rack etc. Lisa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: September SoCal Riv Ride in Santa Monica
David: Great photos - not sure about the wisdom of the downhill video but you lived to post it. Pretty cool. dougP On Sep 6, 10:29 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Fantastic ride, from about 10:30 - 4:00??? Tire of choice (chosen by choosy cyclists!) was a 35mm Pasela. We rode across Santa Monica and up Sepulveda to Mulholland. Rode that to Private Elite School Corner and then jumped onto the dirt. Rolling fire roads that were mostly smooth, and only had to dodge one gentleman sitting in the middle of the road. After that traumatizing event, a few folks decided to call it quits, while the rest continued to climb a few (steep) sections to overlook the Pacific. Then a QUICK downhill to the beach where the real danger lies on the multi-use trail. EXCELLENT sandwiches from the local deli (only an hour wait, not too bad) accompanied by cold beer. A fantastic day with a bunch of new riders that showed up and took in the lugged goodness. Caption-less pictures here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157622279022002/ Maybe next month a mixer ride in O.C.? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: September SoCal Riv Ride in Santa Monica
I do it for all the flatlanders (Jimmie, Joe, and Butch). On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:16 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: David: Great photos - not sure about the wisdom of the downhill video but you lived to post it. Pretty cool. dougP On Sep 6, 10:29 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Fantastic ride, from about 10:30 - 4:00??? Tire of choice (chosen by choosy cyclists!) was a 35mm Pasela. We rode across Santa Monica and up Sepulveda to Mulholland. Rode that to Private Elite School Corner and then jumped onto the dirt. Rolling fire roads that were mostly smooth, and only had to dodge one gentleman sitting in the middle of the road. After that traumatizing event, a few folks decided to call it quits, while the rest continued to climb a few (steep) sections to overlook the Pacific. Then a QUICK downhill to the beach where the real danger lies on the multi-use trail. EXCELLENT sandwiches from the local deli (only an hour wait, not too bad) accompanied by cold beer. A fantastic day with a bunch of new riders that showed up and took in the lugged goodness. Caption-less pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157622279022002/ Maybe next month a mixer ride in O.C.? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] For Sale: Nitto Moustache Bars, DirtDrop Stem, IRD 110 BB
In addition to the above I have an as new IRD 110 Bottom Bracket. It was installed in a new Bleriot frame I bought and II switched it out for a larger one. It is not in a box and was installed but never used. These are $40 from Rivendell so perhaps $20 shipped? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: September SoCal Riv Ride in Santa Monica
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 22:29, David Estescyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Fantastic ride, from about 10:30 - 4:00??? Tire of choice (chosen by choosy cyclists!) was a 35mm Pasela. We rode across Santa Monica and up Sepulveda to Mulholland. This was an excellent ride, with a great bunch of guys. I felt like I was experiencing that ideal world of hills, fire roads and country bikes that I see in those splash photos on RBW's website. Thanks to the organizers, and thanks for the Flickr photos. I look forward to the next adventure. James Black Los Angeles, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
Since getting an Atlantis in early 03, that's been my ride for 99% of my mileage. I bought it for touring and liked the fit, ride, etc, that I just didn't ride my other bikes, and don't do much fiddling with it. It's overkill for utility riding and I am selective in where I'll lock it up. Recently I dug out my 20+ year old MTB to use for utility trips so I could lower my anxiety level about bike out of sight. dougP On Sep 7, 7:38 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: For many years I had two bikes--a mountain bike and a road bike. I pretty much used the road bike for commuting and was fortunate that it never got stolen while locked up outside of bookstores and cafes. There were times when I was worried that someone would pop off the stem, cut the cables and walk off with my STI shifter levers but it never happened. This was in SF. Both bikes were well used and well loved. When I moved to Portland 3yrs ago I purchased a Surly Cross Check which became my all-rounder. I did have the road bike, a Lemond Zurich, and mountain bike, Fisher Rig, in the basement during this time but never rode them. My CC was a great bike that I used for commuting, running errands and would take out for long road rides. I had it set-up as a poor man's Rivendell but I was never able to quite get the position I wanted. I eventually got a Rambouillet and about a year and half later a Hilsen. I've sold the Zurich and Rig and so am down to three bikes--CC, Rambouillet and Hilsen. I think I could get by with just the Hilsen but I can't see myself not having a commuter/beater type bike which is the role my CC fills. Right now the CC is set-up as a singlespeed with flat bars, front rack, fenders, and Carradice bag. I commute by bike everyday regardless of the weather and so the bike gets a lot of use. I lock it up in the bike barn at the hospital I work at and have had no problems although I'd be hesitant to lock up a Hilsen there, especially if it was my only bike. I think for those looking to have one bike the Hilsen is a great call. Or the SH. Me... I'm just too much of a consumer and bike nerd. I'm pretty much doomed to always having at least two if not three on-hand. I have. I'd like to just leave it at three . I may in the future sell the CC and replace it with an LHT frame or maybe even a SH. We'll see. For now I have what I need and am focusing on upgrading/changing some parts on my Rambouillet. --mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: September SoCal Riv Ride in Santa Monica
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:46 AM, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 22:29, David Estescyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Fantastic ride, from about 10:30 - 4:00??? Tire of choice (chosen by choosy cyclists!) was a 35mm Pasela. We rode across Santa Monica and up Sepulveda to Mulholland. This was an excellent ride, with a great bunch of guys. I felt like I was experiencing that ideal world of hills, fire roads and country bikes that I see in those splash photos on RBW's website. Thanks to the organizers, and thanks for the Flickr photos. I look forward to the next adventure. James Black Los Angeles, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Great you could make this one! Having it in L.A. let a few more folks join up which was nice. Maybe next month in O.C. so the S.D. people don't have to travel so far? Do they have any unpaved roads still? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
And you rode your mountain bike in the mountains yesterday (but with slicks just for kicks)! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Since getting an Atlantis in early 03, that's been my ride for 99% of my mileage. I bought it for touring and liked the fit, ride, etc, that I just didn't ride my other bikes, and don't do much fiddling with it. It's overkill for utility riding and I am selective in where I'll lock it up. Recently I dug out my 20+ year old MTB to use for utility trips so I could lower my anxiety level about bike out of sight. dougP On Sep 7, 7:38 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: For many years I had two bikes--a mountain bike and a road bike. I pretty much used the road bike for commuting and was fortunate that it never got stolen while locked up outside of bookstores and cafes. There were times when I was worried that someone would pop off the stem, cut the cables and walk off with my STI shifter levers but it never happened. This was in SF. Both bikes were well used and well loved. When I moved to Portland 3yrs ago I purchased a Surly Cross Check which became my all-rounder. I did have the road bike, a Lemond Zurich, and mountain bike, Fisher Rig, in the basement during this time but never rode them. My CC was a great bike that I used for commuting, running errands and would take out for long road rides. I had it set-up as a poor man's Rivendell but I was never able to quite get the position I wanted. I eventually got a Rambouillet and about a year and half later a Hilsen. I've sold the Zurich and Rig and so am down to three bikes--CC, Rambouillet and Hilsen. I think I could get by with just the Hilsen but I can't see myself not having a commuter/beater type bike which is the role my CC fills. Right now the CC is set-up as a singlespeed with flat bars, front rack, fenders, and Carradice bag. I commute by bike everyday regardless of the weather and so the bike gets a lot of use. I lock it up in the bike barn at the hospital I work at and have had no problems although I'd be hesitant to lock up a Hilsen there, especially if it was my only bike. I think for those looking to have one bike the Hilsen is a great call. Or the SH. Me... I'm just too much of a consumer and bike nerd. I'm pretty much doomed to always having at least two if not three on-hand. I have. I'd like to just leave it at three . I may in the future sell the CC and replace it with an LHT frame or maybe even a SH. We'll see. For now I have what I need and am focusing on upgrading/changing some parts on my Rambouillet. --mike -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: September SoCal Riv Ride in Santa Monica
Yeah, awesome ride, awesome crew, great trails. My smile in the photo David took basically sums it all up: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3895641522/in/set-72157622279022002/ I look forward to the next SoCal Riv Ride. Anyone know the fate of the Bleriot guy? On Sep 6, 10:29 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Fantastic ride, from about 10:30 - 4:00??? Tire of choice (chosen by choosy cyclists!) was a 35mm Pasela. We rode across Santa Monica and up Sepulveda to Mulholland. Rode that to Private Elite School Corner and then jumped onto the dirt. Rolling fire roads that were mostly smooth, and only had to dodge one gentleman sitting in the middle of the road. After that traumatizing event, a few folks decided to call it quits, while the rest continued to climb a few (steep) sections to overlook the Pacific. Then a QUICK downhill to the beach where the real danger lies on the multi-use trail. EXCELLENT sandwiches from the local deli (only an hour wait, not too bad) accompanied by cold beer. A fantastic day with a bunch of new riders that showed up and took in the lugged goodness. Caption-less pictures here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157622279022002/ Maybe next month a mixer ride in O.C.? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
Interesting I have always had this dream that goes in the opposite direction, essentially an over sized automatic tie rack but for bikes. I could press a button an slowly rotate thru the bikes..hmm is today a commuter, cross, IGH townie, light steel Italian racer, or should I just take the Bleriot again? I guess that kind of goes against the simplicty thing huh? On Sep 7, 9:56 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: And you rode your mountain bike in the mountains yesterday (but with slicks just for kicks)! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Since getting an Atlantis in early 03, that's been my ride for 99% of my mileage. I bought it for touring and liked the fit, ride, etc, that I just didn't ride my other bikes, and don't do much fiddling with it. It's overkill for utility riding and I am selective in where I'll lock it up. Recently I dug out my 20+ year old MTB to use for utility trips so I could lower my anxiety level about bike out of sight. dougP On Sep 7, 7:38 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: For many years I had two bikes--a mountain bike and a road bike. I pretty much used the road bike for commuting and was fortunate that it never got stolen while locked up outside of bookstores and cafes. There were times when I was worried that someone would pop off the stem, cut the cables and walk off with my STI shifter levers but it never happened. This was in SF. Both bikes were well used and well loved. When I moved to Portland 3yrs ago I purchased a Surly Cross Check which became my all-rounder. I did have the road bike, a Lemond Zurich, and mountain bike, Fisher Rig, in the basement during this time but never rode them. My CC was a great bike that I used for commuting, running errands and would take out for long road rides. I had it set-up as a poor man's Rivendell but I was never able to quite get the position I wanted. I eventually got a Rambouillet and about a year and half later a Hilsen. I've sold the Zurich and Rig and so am down to three bikes--CC, Rambouillet and Hilsen. I think I could get by with just the Hilsen but I can't see myself not having a commuter/beater type bike which is the role my CC fills. Right now the CC is set-up as a singlespeed with flat bars, front rack, fenders, and Carradice bag. I commute by bike everyday regardless of the weather and so the bike gets a lot of use. I lock it up in the bike barn at the hospital I work at and have had no problems although I'd be hesitant to lock up a Hilsen there, especially if it was my only bike. I think for those looking to have one bike the Hilsen is a great call. Or the SH. Me... I'm just too much of a consumer and bike nerd. I'm pretty much doomed to always having at least two if not three on-hand. I have. I'd like to just leave it at three . I may in the future sell the CC and replace it with an LHT frame or maybe even a SH. We'll see. For now I have what I need and am focusing on upgrading/changing some parts on my Rambouillet. --mike -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
I don't think the all-rounder bike is a myth. I believe that there are plenty of bikes that could cover the different types of riding I do. The problem is that I want ten of those bikes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wholesale MLB jerseys, Grady Sizemore $35
Dear XYJ, I am interested in ordering many of your products in bulk. Would it be possible for my business associate to pick these items up for you? Unfortunately I have the western union funds made out in a much larger amount than what you are asking so if it would be no trouble I will provide this to you and you can give me the difference and keep an extra $200 for your trouble. Thank you, Johnny --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: wholesale MLB jerseys, Grady Sizemore $35
This couldn't be more off topic if you tried. - Original Message - From: Johnny Alien To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: [RBW] Re: wholesale MLB jerseys, Grady Sizemore $35 Dear XYJ, I am interested in ordering many of your products in bulk. Would it be possible for my business associate to pick these items up for you? Unfortunately I have the western union funds made out in a much larger amount than what you are asking so if it would be no trouble I will provide this to you and you can give me the difference and keep an extra $200 for your trouble. Thank you, Johnny --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] re: The myth of the all-rounder.
I don't really think its a myth at all, though I guess really you aren't talking about the bicycle. Using myself as an example I own two bicycles, my Atlantis which I ride exclusively and then my old Novara Safari (another all-rounder type) which I ride only if my Atlantis is in the shop or has a flat when I'm already late for work. I do think the backup bicycle is pretty essential for me for those circumstance, but looking at my records its only gotten about a hundred miles a year. I clearly could just use the Atlantis and take the bus or something on those days, but I like the option. If I didn't already own the Safari when I got the Atlantis I probably would have just gotten a cheap garage sale bicycle for the back up purpose. Anyway I guess what I'm saying is that for me I can see owning two bicycles but I've never desired more. There have been occasions when I've ridden the Safari for a couple of weeks in a row and its poor fit leaves me sore and wishing my backup bicycle was as comfortable as my Atlantis. If though I got another better fit bicycle I'd sell the Safari. -Robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
One of the most interesting threads we've had . . . I've grappled with the larger concepts of consumerism and voluntary simplicity for much of my adult life. Spend any time in the developing world and it's hard not to question why one really *needs* more than one bike - let alone even one Rivendell at a cost of what many in the world may not make in salary in a year. I'll admit that I own many bikes and that I am seemingly always on the verge of one more. I use each of my bikes regularly for recreation and exercise and I seldom drive, so my bikes also serve most of my transportation needs. I've delighted in building up each of my diverse fleet of 6 bikes from the ground up from bare frames. Along the way, I've learned a lot about bicycle mechanics and solving build and fit problems that I've applied to helping others with their bikes. I volunteer at our College bike coop and I teach a College class on bicycling. I'm lucky that my avocation has, in part become part of my vocation. It has been the process of using and working on my bikes that has been the important thing for me. The question is often posed when one thinks about the value of consumer goods, If your house was on fire, and you could only save , what would it be? In relation to bikes, my answer is the one closest to the door! Luckily, most bikes are inherently cheap, useful and efficient transportation. Every bike that I'd care to ride is an all-rounder from that perspective. Dave On Sep 7, 10:14 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Interesting I have always had this dream that goes in the opposite direction, essentially an over sized automatic tie rack but for bikes. I could press a button an slowly rotate thru the bikes..hmm is today a commuter, cross, IGH townie, light steel Italian racer, or should I just take the Bleriot again? I guess that kind of goes against the simplicty thing huh? On Sep 7, 9:56 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: And you rode your mountain bike in the mountains yesterday (but with slicks just for kicks)! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Since getting an Atlantis in early 03, that's been my ride for 99% of my mileage. I bought it for touring and liked the fit, ride, etc, that I just didn't ride my other bikes, and don't do much fiddling with it. It's overkill for utility riding and I am selective in where I'll lock it up. Recently I dug out my 20+ year old MTB to use for utility trips so I could lower my anxiety level about bike out of sight. dougP On Sep 7, 7:38 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: For many years I had two bikes--a mountain bike and a road bike. I pretty much used the road bike for commuting and was fortunate that it never got stolen while locked up outside of bookstores and cafes. There were times when I was worried that someone would pop off the stem, cut the cables and walk off with my STI shifter levers but it never happened. This was in SF. Both bikes were well used and well loved. When I moved to Portland 3yrs ago I purchased a Surly Cross Check which became my all-rounder. I did have the road bike, a Lemond Zurich, and mountain bike, Fisher Rig, in the basement during this time but never rode them. My CC was a great bike that I used for commuting, running errands and would take out for long road rides. I had it set-up as a poor man's Rivendell but I was never able to quite get the position I wanted. I eventually got a Rambouillet and about a year and half later a Hilsen. I've sold the Zurich and Rig and so am down to three bikes--CC, Rambouillet and Hilsen. I think I could get by with just the Hilsen but I can't see myself not having a commuter/beater type bike which is the role my CC fills. Right now the CC is set-up as a singlespeed with flat bars, front rack, fenders, and Carradice bag. I commute by bike everyday regardless of the weather and so the bike gets a lot of use. I lock it up in the bike barn at the hospital I work at and have had no problems although I'd be hesitant to lock up a Hilsen there, especially if it was my only bike. I think for those looking to have one bike the Hilsen is a great call. Or the SH. Me... I'm just too much of a consumer and bike nerd. I'm pretty much doomed to always having at least two if not three on-hand. I have. I'd like to just leave it at three . I may in the future sell the CC and replace it with an LHT frame or maybe even a SH. We'll see. For now I have what I need and am focusing on upgrading/changing some parts on my Rambouillet. --mike -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -
[RBW] Re: Quickbeam in Denver
It keeps it from moving while racked. I've seen many bike shops do this as well. (To the owner of that QB, thanks for buying a Gino Light Mount!) :-) On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:37 AM, R Gonetrichard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: Why the velcro strap on the left brake lever? Is it a parking device? Does it prevent tennis elbow? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] WTB 60cm -63cm frame and fork
I am looking to buy a frame and fork (or partial build) to set up as a randonneur bike, so clearance and mounts for fenders and larger tires are a must and rack mounts a plus. I am open to anything, it does not have to look good, just work well. I have a PBH of 91cm and usually ride a 58cm-60cm toptube. With school starting my max budget is $1000, please let me know what you have. You can reply through the list or email me directly at ijuod...@g.risd.edu. Thanks Isaac --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Pictures of the Sam Hillborne
Growl, Try it this way http://hk2sh.blogspot.com/2009/09/touring-bike.html On Sep 7, 1:47 pm, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: Fai - the link doesn't work - not open to public? On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Fai Mao i.am.fai@gmail.com wrote: My Sam is probably a bit exccentric from this groups persective. I like the flat bars. In the rainy season I'll use fenders but take them off in the dry fall. This is setup as a fast commutter http://picasaweb.google.com/I.am.Fai.Mao/HongKongToShanghaiOnTwoWheels?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Intro from a soon-to-be AHH owner
Thanks CJ. Would love to see that shoot-out review. On Sep 7, 6:18 am, cj.spinner cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Will, We have a few things in common. I followed up my Kogswell P/R with the purchase of a AHH. Although there are significant differences, I am enjoying both bikes. I keep threatening to do a shoot-out comparison on my blog, but it hasn't happened yet. Oh yeah, I'm married, have two daughters, and think my wife is the most incredible. Thanks for the beautiful photos of the P/R. We are looking forward to seeing the AHH. On Sep 6, 4:36 pm, William F. House williamfho...@gmail.com wrote: Hello RBW Owners Group, Just wanted to say hi and introduce myself. I'm 38, married, have two beautiful girls (Jack, 8 and Pixie 6 months) and I have the most incredible wife in the world. I'm studying medicine and try to enjoy a little free time on occasion. I've just recently gotten into biking and have a Kogswell P/R - which you can check out on Flickr if you're so inclined (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lushmojo/sets/72157620927931213/ ). I just put a deposit on a 61cm A. Homer Hilsen. It's going to be a dark green custom paint and set up as a single-speed (with a chain tensioner). I just ordered some VO stainless fenders for it and can't wait to get the AHH out and about here in Boulder, Colorado. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
I have two bikes right now, a loaded tourer and a commuter. Arguably, one bike could handle both jobs, but I've not been able to get it right. The touring bike has Tubus racks, built to hold panniers tight and low. Ortlieb and a few other companies make a grocery bag that works well, but not as for multiple stops and loading as a basket or poteur mount bag. Also, the long chain stays, tubing and larger wheels make it a tab heavy and ungainly in my crowded urban neighborhood. It is harder to squeeze in to a spot on a crowded bike stand and up and down the back stairs to my 3rd floor condo. In the winter, Chicago snow means salt and street grime galore on the street which wreak havoc with the gears. Drop bars are great on tour riding on the open road. I prefer riding upright with swept back bars in the city. The old campy stradas, toe clips and straps are great for digging in and pedaling for hours. Not so great when you have to stop and start many times in a single ride (I stop for traffic controls). My commuter is a single speed, porteur racked, swept back bar bike. It is a couple inches short and pounds lighter than the touring bike. Ride is upright, bars swept back. Pedals are flat with a half clip. It is a muvh easier bike for city riding. I guess I could re-jigger the touring bike for city riding. That would be a lot of time and effort though. On Sep 6, 10:27 pm, JL subfas...@gmail.com wrote: I have always had a difficult time owning just one bicycle. It seems that no matter how many times I imagine the most ideal bicycle model and setup I change my mind after a few weeks or months and alter the setup. My solution to this is to have more than one bike, set up and designed for different purposes or types of riding. There is a correlation with how much I enjoy bicycling and how many bikes I own - they seem to feed off each other and both increase because of each other. This trend changed a little when I found Rivendell. The versatility of their bike gives the potential for one frame to take on many different lives and for one bike setup to have enough crossover into other areas that a near all rounder status can be reached. Has anyone been able to achieve a one-bike-for-everything-I-need goal? I think part of the situation is that with enthusiasts of anything the line between need and want gets blurry. Jason --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Spurious Posts
I'd just like to remind folks not to respond to spurious posts to the group. Google Groups does not allow me to delete entire threads, so when folks reply, I have to go through and remove each individual post. Normally, I see anything that is held for moderation. That includes new users and the ever-constant stream of spammer attempts. The most recent spam post didn't come across my inbox, and actually doesn't seem to only appear when the list is viewed through the online version. The only reason I caught it was from the ensuing comments. I'm not sure how it made its way to the group and apologize for it having done so. It would be appropriate to send me an email if things like this show up, rather than replying to the spam post. Thanks! - Jim / List Admin -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Spurious Posts
on 9/7/09 2:16 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: My typing-fu is weak today: The most recent spam post didn't come across my inbox, and actually doesn't seem to only appear when the list is viewed through the online version. The only reason I caught it was from the ensuing comments. I'm not sure how it made its way to the group and apologize for it having done so. What I _meant_ was The most recent spam post didn't come across my inbox, and only seems to only appear when the list is viewed through the online version Didn't want to appear quite so double-negativeish. ;^) - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Spurious Posts
Jim -- not to the subject, but thanks for your work in maintaining this entertaining list. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 9/7/09 2:16 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: My typing-fu is weak today: The most recent spam post didn't come across my inbox, and actually doesn't seem to only appear when the list is viewed through the online version. The only reason I caught it was from the ensuing comments. I'm not sure how it made its way to the group and apologize for it having done so. What I _meant_ was The most recent spam post didn't come across my inbox, and only seems to only appear when the list is viewed through the online version Didn't want to appear quite so double-negativeish. ;^) - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
The solution to this is to do as my brother does, and own up to 80 bicycles
but never pay more than $100 for any one; his average is probably more like
$50. So, $5K, that's the price of a top line, decked out Riv.
Among his keepers (since most flow through his garage almost like
Heraclitus's river) are a 1960s Paramount track bike that I have coveted for
years and that has ('s True!) room for 28s and fenders) and various other
Paramounts and top echelon Treks, not to mention ti Mountain Bikes.
It *does* help if you live in the rich part of LA and have true scavenger
skills.
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote:
One of the most interesting threads we've had . . .
I've grappled with the larger concepts of consumerism and voluntary
simplicity for much of my adult life. Spend any time in the developing
world and it's hard not to question why one really *needs* more than
one bike - let alone even one Rivendell at a cost of what many in the
world may not make in salary in a year.
I'll admit that I own many bikes and that I am seemingly always on the
verge of one more. I use each of my bikes regularly for recreation
and exercise and I seldom drive, so my bikes also serve most of my
transportation needs. I've delighted in building up each of my diverse
fleet of 6 bikes from the ground up from bare frames. Along the way,
I've learned a lot about bicycle mechanics and solving build and fit
problems that I've applied to helping others with their bikes. I
volunteer at our College bike coop and I teach a College class on
bicycling. I'm lucky that my avocation has, in part become part of my
vocation. It has been the process of using and working on my bikes
that has been the important thing for me.
The question is often posed when one thinks about the value of
consumer goods, If your house was on fire, and you could only save
, what would it be? In relation to bikes, my answer is the
one closest to the door! Luckily, most bikes are inherently cheap,
useful and efficient transportation. Every bike that I'd care to ride
is an all-rounder from that perspective.
Dave
On Sep 7, 10:14 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:
Interesting I have always had this dream that goes in the opposite
direction, essentially an over sized automatic tie rack but for
bikes. I could press a button an slowly rotate thru the bikes..hmm is
today a commuter, cross, IGH townie, light steel Italian racer, or
should I just take the Bleriot again?
I guess that kind of goes against the simplicty thing huh?
On Sep 7, 9:56 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
And you rode your mountain bike in the mountains yesterday (but with
slicks
just for kicks)!
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net
wrote:
Since getting an Atlantis in early 03, that's been my ride for 99% of
my mileage. I bought it for touring and liked the fit, ride, etc,
that I just didn't ride my other bikes, and don't do much fiddling
with it. It's overkill for utility riding and I am selective in
where
I'll lock it up. Recently I dug out my 20+ year old MTB to use for
utility trips so I could lower my anxiety level about bike out of
sight.
dougP
On Sep 7, 7:38 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
For many years I had two bikes--a mountain bike and a road bike. I
pretty much used the road bike for commuting and was fortunate that
it
never got stolen while locked up outside of bookstores and cafes.
There were times when I was worried that someone would pop off the
stem, cut the cables and walk off with my STI shifter levers but it
never happened. This was in SF. Both bikes were well used and well
loved.
When I moved to Portland 3yrs ago I purchased a Surly Cross Check
which became my all-rounder. I did have the road bike, a Lemond
Zurich, and mountain bike, Fisher Rig, in the basement during this
time but never rode them. My CC was a great bike that I used for
commuting, running errands and would take out for long road rides.
I
had it set-up as a poor man's Rivendell but I was never able to
quite get the position I wanted. I eventually got a Rambouillet and
about a year and half later a Hilsen. I've sold the Zurich and Rig
and
so am down to three bikes--CC, Rambouillet and Hilsen. I think I
could
get by with just the Hilsen but I can't see myself not having a
commuter/beater type bike which is the role my CC fills. Right now
the
CC is set-up as a singlespeed with flat bars, front rack, fenders,
and
Carradice bag. I commute by bike everyday regardless of the weather
and so the bike gets a lot of use. I lock it up in the bike barn at
the hospital I work at and have had no problems although I'd be
hesitant to lock up a Hilsen there, especially if it was my only
bike.
I think
[RBW] Re: Pictures of the Sam Hillborne
Fai: The bike looks great. Perfect set up for the crowded, hilly and frequently messy streets in Hong Kong but ready to go out into Chinese country side. Looks like it will be a fun bike. On Sep 7, 3:11 am, Fai Mao i.am.fai@gmail.com wrote: Growl, Try it this wayhttp://hk2sh.blogspot.com/2009/09/touring-bike.html On Sep 7, 1:47 pm, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: Fai - the link doesn't work - not open to public? On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Fai Mao i.am.fai@gmail.com wrote: My Sam is probably a bit exccentric from this groups persective. I like the flat bars. In the rainy season I'll use fenders but take them off in the dry fall. This is setup as a fast commutter http://picasaweb.google.com/I.am.Fai.Mao/HongKongToShanghaiOnTwoWheels?-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
In my experience, the one-bike-for-everything bike is more in the head of the bike owner than the bike itself. The reality is that almost every bike is capable of doing (almost) everything. The issue is whether or not the cyclist is happy with that level of performance. You can ride on the road, commute, mt. bike, tour, and more on a mountain bike. I could ride my all-rounder for everything, though I may not be able to ride with a group of carbon race bikes, mountain bike with the FS crowd, or tour with tourists. But I am pretty happy with the performance of the AR in each category. No matter what bike I ride, I will never be the fastest, so the improvements in speed from switching bikes is purely for my own ego. A central component to a one bike is making do-- and that is something that people seem to have forgotten. As a side not, I currently have 7 bikes, 4 frames, and 3 unicycles. Cheers! cm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
PATRICK MOORE wrote: I don't think the all-rounder bike is a myth. I believe that there are plenty of bikes that could cover the different types of riding I do. The problem is that I want ten of those bikes. LOL! Point. I have found that my all-rounder is... my All-Rounder. If you held a gun to my head and said pick one bike and lose the rest, I'd keep the All-Rounder. Even though I've said multiple times I should have gotten a LongLow (and it's probably true), the All-Rounder is my go-to bike for the majority of rides. My other bikes are each ridden as an alternative to the All-Rounder (Should I ride the All-Rounder or the (insert any other bike I own)?). With the 559-32 Paselas it is a superb riding road and trail machine. I just rode it 70 miles today with Bill C and three others. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
So I'm cruising along on the Quickbeam this morning, looping Paradise Point via Seminary drive (for you Marin County folks) when I hear a very friendly voice from behind say On your left, sir. I pull a bit to the right, and thank the first of two twenty-something women who blast right by me on carbon road bikes. Initially, I was grateful for the call-out. There's not nearly as much of that etiquette among the cycling folks as there once was. But, then I think to myself, Sir? Now, don't get me wrong. That young woman was a very courteous and considerate, but Sir? Now, I was wearing a cycling cap under my helmet, so my short gray hair was not evident; I was wearing a Swobo wool cycling jersey -- Swobo is a very hip local company; I was wearing Shimano cycling shoes; I was wearing dark, wrap-around shades so my crow's feet were not evident around my eyes; it wasn't a grade, so I wasn't puffing and wheezing, so why did she call me Sir? The only logical conclusion -- in my mind -- is because of the QB. She saw an old classic bike, replete with front basket, Brooks honey leather seat, and a NS banana bag, frame pump, and 35mm tires and must have figured, old bike/old guy! Regardless, I would have been much more at ease with Fella, Guy, Man, even Dude or Bro … but Sir? Now I do feel old… Was it me, or the QB? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
It was the basket, bro. Dudes and guys may ride Quickbeams (fixed gears are very hip), but only old guys heading home from the coop use baskets. That's MHO. P.S. On a related note, I rode my Rivendell Road to the Vallejo ferry and into SF on Saturday. Once I arrived in SF, several people made a point of telling me what a nice bike it is. I told them all thank you. P.P.S. I don't have a basket on the Riv, and none of those people called me sir. --Eric www.wheelsnorth.org www.campyonly.com On Sep 7, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Ray wrote: So I'm cruising along on the Quickbeam this morning, looping Paradise Point via Seminary drive (for you Marin County folks) when I hear a very friendly voice from behind say On your left, sir. I pull a bit to the right, and thank the first of two twenty-something women who blast right by me on carbon road bikes. Initially, I was grateful for the call-out. There's not nearly as much of that etiquette among the cycling folks as there once was. But, then I think to myself, Sir? Now, don't get me wrong. That young woman was a very courteous and considerate, but Sir? Now, I was wearing a cycling cap under my helmet, so my short gray hair was not evident; I was wearing a Swobo wool cycling jersey -- Swobo is a very hip local company; I was wearing Shimano cycling shoes; I was wearing dark, wrap-around shades so my crow's feet were not evident around my eyes; it wasn't a grade, so I wasn't puffing and wheezing, so why did she call me Sir? The only logical conclusion -- in my mind -- is because of the QB. She saw an old classic bike, replete with front basket, Brooks honey leather seat, and a NS banana bag, frame pump, and 35mm tires and must have figured, old bike/old guy! Regardless, I would have been much more at ease with Fella, Guy, Man, even Dude or Bro … but Sir? Now I do feel old… Was it me, or the QB? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: September SoCal Riv Ride in Santa Monica
That is a great smile! And that was after pushing up the first real steep spot on the roadie double you have! Obviously not a serious cyclist. Bleriot Guy Bruce (BGB) was hangin' and drinking beer about the point we started missing him! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, awesome ride, awesome crew, great trails. My smile in the photo David took basically sums it all up: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3895641522/in/set-72157622279022002/ I look forward to the next SoCal Riv Ride. Anyone know the fate of the Bleriot guy? On Sep 6, 10:29 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Fantastic ride, from about 10:30 - 4:00??? Tire of choice (chosen by choosy cyclists!) was a 35mm Pasela. We rode across Santa Monica and up Sepulveda to Mulholland. Rode that to Private Elite School Corner and then jumped onto the dirt. Rolling fire roads that were mostly smooth, and only had to dodge one gentleman sitting in the middle of the road. After that traumatizing event, a few folks decided to call it quits, while the rest continued to climb a few (steep) sections to overlook the Pacific. Then a QUICK downhill to the beach where the real danger lies on the multi-use trail. EXCELLENT sandwiches from the local deli (only an hour wait, not too bad) accompanied by cold beer. A fantastic day with a bunch of new riders that showed up and took in the lugged goodness. Caption-less pictures here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157622279022002/ Maybe next month a mixer ride in O.C.? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
Sort of related.. When I forwarded the So Cal Riv Riders photo set to a local buddy, and added that I would love to live close enough to attend one, he responded with this link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYlAwvz8uwc What'd he mean by that? huh? --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: From: Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:22 PM It was the basket, bro. Dudes and guys may ride Quickbeams (fixed gears are very hip), but only old guys heading home from the coop use baskets. That's MHO. P.S. On a related note, I rode my Rivendell Road to the Vallejo ferry and into SF on Saturday. Once I arrived in SF, several people made a point of telling me what a nice bike it is. I told them all thank you. P.P.S. I don't have a basket on the Riv, and none of those people called me sir. --Eric www.wheelsnorth.org www.campyonly.com On Sep 7, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Ray wrote: So I'm cruising along on the Quickbeam this morning, looping Paradise Point via Seminary drive (for you Marin County folks) when I hear a very friendly voice from behind say On your left, sir. I pull a bit to the right, and thank the first of two twenty-something women who blast right by me on carbon road bikes. Initially, I was grateful for the call-out. There's not nearly as much of that etiquette among the cycling folks as there once was. But, then I think to myself, Sir? Now, don't get me wrong. That young woman was a very courteous and considerate, but Sir? Now, I was wearing a cycling cap under my helmet, so my short gray hair was not evident; I was wearing a Swobo wool cycling jersey -- Swobo is a very hip local company; I was wearing Shimano cycling shoes; I was wearing dark, wrap-around shades so my crow's feet were not evident around my eyes; it wasn't a grade, so I wasn't puffing and wheezing, so why did she call me Sir? The only logical conclusion -- in my mind -- is because of the QB. She saw an old classic bike, replete with front basket, Brooks honey leather seat, and a NS banana bag, frame pump, and 35mm tires and must have figured, old bike/old guy! Regardless, I would have been much more at ease with Fella, Guy, Man, even Dude or Bro … but Sir? Now I do feel old… Was it me, or the QB? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
You could have an Atlantis as a back up to your Atlantis! Grant should just start sending me bonus money for all the business I send his way! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Robert Kirkpatrick spiralc...@gmail.comwrote: I don't really think its a myth at all, though I guess really you aren't talking about the bicycle. Using myself as an example I own two bicycles, my Atlantis which I ride exclusively and then my old Novara Safari (another all-rounder type) which I ride only if my Atlantis is in the shop or has a flat when I'm already late for work. I do think the backup bicycle is pretty essential for me for those circumstance, but looking at my records its only gotten about a hundred miles a year. I clearly could just use the Atlantis and take the bus or something on those days, but I like the option. If I didn't already own the Safari when I got the Atlantis I probably would have just gotten a cheap garage sale bicycle for the back up purpose. Anyway I guess what I'm saying is that for me I can see owning two bicycles but I've never desired more. There have been occasions when I've ridden the Safari for a couple of weeks in a row and its poor fit leaves me sore and wishing my backup bicycle was as comfortable as my Atlantis. If though I got another better fit bicycle I'd sell the Safari. -Robert -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
With all the fires here in SoCal, I actually have a bike rescue plan in place. Don't get me wrong, there's a family rescue plan as well. You can have several plans you know. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu wrote: One of the most interesting threads we've had . . . I've grappled with the larger concepts of consumerism and voluntary simplicity for much of my adult life. Spend any time in the developing world and it's hard not to question why one really *needs* more than one bike - let alone even one Rivendell at a cost of what many in the world may not make in salary in a year. I'll admit that I own many bikes and that I am seemingly always on the verge of one more. I use each of my bikes regularly for recreation and exercise and I seldom drive, so my bikes also serve most of my transportation needs. I've delighted in building up each of my diverse fleet of 6 bikes from the ground up from bare frames. Along the way, I've learned a lot about bicycle mechanics and solving build and fit problems that I've applied to helping others with their bikes. I volunteer at our College bike coop and I teach a College class on bicycling. I'm lucky that my avocation has, in part become part of my vocation. It has been the process of using and working on my bikes that has been the important thing for me. The question is often posed when one thinks about the value of consumer goods, If your house was on fire, and you could only save , what would it be? In relation to bikes, my answer is the one closest to the door! Luckily, most bikes are inherently cheap, useful and efficient transportation. Every bike that I'd care to ride is an all-rounder from that perspective. Dave On Sep 7, 10:14 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Interesting I have always had this dream that goes in the opposite direction, essentially an over sized automatic tie rack but for bikes. I could press a button an slowly rotate thru the bikes..hmm is today a commuter, cross, IGH townie, light steel Italian racer, or should I just take the Bleriot again? I guess that kind of goes against the simplicty thing huh? On Sep 7, 9:56 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: And you rode your mountain bike in the mountains yesterday (but with slicks just for kicks)! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Since getting an Atlantis in early 03, that's been my ride for 99% of my mileage. I bought it for touring and liked the fit, ride, etc, that I just didn't ride my other bikes, and don't do much fiddling with it. It's overkill for utility riding and I am selective in where I'll lock it up. Recently I dug out my 20+ year old MTB to use for utility trips so I could lower my anxiety level about bike out of sight. dougP On Sep 7, 7:38 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: For many years I had two bikes--a mountain bike and a road bike. I pretty much used the road bike for commuting and was fortunate that it never got stolen while locked up outside of bookstores and cafes. There were times when I was worried that someone would pop off the stem, cut the cables and walk off with my STI shifter levers but it never happened. This was in SF. Both bikes were well used and well loved. When I moved to Portland 3yrs ago I purchased a Surly Cross Check which became my all-rounder. I did have the road bike, a Lemond Zurich, and mountain bike, Fisher Rig, in the basement during this time but never rode them. My CC was a great bike that I used for commuting, running errands and would take out for long road rides. I had it set-up as a poor man's Rivendell but I was never able to quite get the position I wanted. I eventually got a Rambouillet and about a year and half later a Hilsen. I've sold the Zurich and Rig and so am down to three bikes--CC, Rambouillet and Hilsen. I think I could get by with just the Hilsen but I can't see myself not having a commuter/beater type bike which is the role my CC fills. Right now the CC is set-up as a singlespeed with flat bars, front rack, fenders, and Carradice bag. I commute by bike everyday regardless of the weather and so the bike gets a lot of use. I lock it up in the bike barn at the hospital I work at and have had no problems although I'd be hesitant to lock up a Hilsen there, especially if it was my only bike. I think for those looking to have one bike the Hilsen is a great call. Or the SH. Me... I'm just too much of a consumer and bike nerd. I'm pretty much doomed to always having at least two if not three on-hand. I have. I'd like to just leave it at three . I may in the future sell the CC and replace it with an LHT frame or maybe even a SH. We'll see. For now I have what I need and am
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
That was pretty much the topic of self-congratulatory conversation during yesterday's SoCal ride. :-) On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: In my experience, the one-bike-for-everything bike is more in the head of the bike owner than the bike itself. The reality is that almost every bike is capable of doing (almost) everything. The issue is whether or not the cyclist is happy with that level of performance. You can ride on the road, commute, mt. bike, tour, and more on a mountain bike. I could ride my all-rounder for everything, though I may not be able to ride with a group of carbon race bikes, mountain bike with the FS crowd, or tour with tourists. But I am pretty happy with the performance of the AR in each category. No matter what bike I ride, I will never be the fastest, so the improvements in speed from switching bikes is purely for my own ego. A central component to a one bike is making do-- and that is something that people seem to have forgotten. As a side not, I currently have 7 bikes, 4 frames, and 3 unicycles. Cheers! cm -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
There were no bees involved in yesterday's ride. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Sort of related.. When I forwarded the So Cal Riv Riders photo set to a local buddy, and added that I would love to live close enough to attend one, he responded with this link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYlAwvz8uwc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYlAwvz8uwcWhat'd he mean by that? huh? --- On *Mon, 9/7/09, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com* wrote: From: Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:22 PM It was the basket, bro. Dudes and guys may ride Quickbeams (fixed gears are very hip), but only old guys heading home from the coop use baskets. That's MHO. P.S. On a related note, I rode my Rivendell Road to the Vallejo ferry and into SF on Saturday. Once I arrived in SF, several people made a point of telling me what a nice bike it is. I told them all thank you. P.P.S. I don't have a basket on the Riv, and none of those people called me sir. --Eric www.wheelsnorth.org www.campyonly.com On Sep 7, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Ray wrote: So I'm cruising along on the Quickbeam this morning, looping Paradise Point via Seminary drive (for you Marin County folks) when I hear a very friendly voice from behind say On your left, sir. I pull a bit to the right, and thank the first of two twenty-something women who blast right by me on carbon road bikes. Initially, I was grateful for the call-out. There's not nearly as much of that etiquette among the cycling folks as there once was. But, then I think to myself, Sir? Now, don't get me wrong. That young woman was a very courteous and considerate, but Sir? Now, I was wearing a cycling cap under my helmet, so my short gray hair was not evident; I was wearing a Swobo wool cycling jersey -- Swobo is a very hip local company; I was wearing Shimano cycling shoes; I was wearing dark, wrap-around shades so my crow's feet were not evident around my eyes; it wasn't a grade, so I wasn't puffing and wheezing, so why did she call me Sir? The only logical conclusion -- in my mind -- is because of the QB. She saw an old classic bike, replete with front basket, Brooks honey leather seat, and a NS banana bag, frame pump, and 35mm tires and must have figured, old bike/old guy! Regardless, I would have been much more at ease with Fella, Guy, Man, even Dude or Bro … but Sir? Now I do feel old… Was it me, or the QB? -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: But, then I think to myself, Sir? They were just being nice. Stop being so self-conscious. :-) Horace. Sunnyvale Quickbeam rider. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:27 PM, JLsubfas...@gmail.com wrote: I have always had a difficult time owning just one bicycle. It seems that no matter how many times I imagine the most ideal bicycle model and setup I change my mind after a few weeks or months and alter the setup. My solution to this is to have more than one bike, set up and designed for different purposes or types of riding. There is a correlation with how much I enjoy bicycling and how many bikes I own - they seem to feed off each other and both increase because of each other. This trend changed a little when I found Rivendell. The versatility of their bike gives the potential for one frame to take on many different lives and for one bike setup to have enough crossover into other areas that a near all rounder status can be reached. Has anyone been able to achieve a one-bike-for-everything-I-need goal? I think part of the situation is that with enthusiasts of anything the line between need and want gets blurry. I've come to think that the all-rounder situation is only possible if your riding is fairly limited. I consistently put over half my annual miles on one bike; my Surly Cross-Check. That's my main commuter and cyclocross racer and i'll take it on road rides that have light trail or gravel riding. Of course, i also ride my Redwood on roads and easy trails and gravel too, and it's my most comfortable bike for all-day rides (like today's 70-mile lunch run w/Timmac and 3 others). But there are lots of trails that are way more fun to ride on my mountain bike. I rode that mountain bike as my only bike in dirt and road setups for many years, but it wasn't a good road commuter. I also like riding singlespeed/fixed in my daily rides, but for mountain or long road rides i want gears. No single bike can possibly do it all, so i basically use four (those plus my 3-speed). So yeah, if you don't like to mountain bike, and want the same gearing options on all rides, the all-rounder is certainly feasible, but otherwise not. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Saluki for sale
Hi all, Having experienced the joys of Toei (and Weigle) it is with some regret that I must part with my Saluki. It's a wonderful bike (and the components are amazing) but it's not as well suited to the type of riding I do as the Toei. Plus I have *too many bikes.* Before I'm excommunicated, I'd like to say thank you to all of you who helped me build the bike! All the details are here: https://post.craigslist.org/manage/1363232757/pqqjc And pictures are here: http://tinyurl.com/mryyye John Ferguson New York, NY 917-770-9574 (if you prefer, otherwise use jferguson (at) medicalwriter.net) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: The myth of the all-rounder.
One doesn't putt with a driver . . . I've ridden all three of my all-rounder Riv's in less than 24 hours. Last night, I wore a suit and tie and rode my bike to a wedding. I've only got one tie, one suit, and one nice pair of shoes, but I had to think for a moment before I chose which bike to ride! The Atlantis looked the nicest according to my five-year-old neighbor, so he suggested I might look the most dressed up on that bike. This morning, we were presented with a lovely day. My wife and I took a long, dirt road ride into the mountains carting along a bunch of water and lunch. Thinking I might like to do a little single track, I naturally chose the Bombadil. We returned from the ride, sat for a bit and then decided to head on down to town for a beer at our local watering hole and then pick up some groceries for dinner on the way back. Nothing like a single speed for that kind of mission - the Quickbeam got the job done nicely. Tomorrow, I head back to work with a need to carry a bunch of awkward items to my office. I'm also picking up a wheel at the LBS at lunch. Let's see, I'll need to take my truck . . . the Surly Big Dummy. I could accomplish everything on any one of my versatile Riv's, my Soma Smoothie ES or the Surly. Perhaps even the old Fuji fixie would work. And ya know, I HAVE played an entire 18 holes with just a driver and it WAS fun. Still, there is a joy and a sense of style in doing a job well with just the *right* tool. The all-rounder isn't a myth, it's simply just one way to enjoy the beauty of bikes. Dave On Sep 7, 6:11 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 4:49 PM, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: In my experience, the one-bike-for-everything bike is more in the head of the bike owner than the bike itself. The reality is that almost every bike is capable of doing (almost) everything. The issue is whether or not the cyclist is happy with that level of performance. You can ride on the road, commute, mt. bike, tour, and more on a mountain bike. I could ride my all-rounder for everything, though I may not be able to ride with a group of carbon race bikes, mountain bike with the FS crowd, or tour with tourists. But I am pretty happy with the performance of the AR in each category. No matter what bike I ride, I will never be the fastest, so the improvements in speed from switching bikes is purely for my own ego. A central component to a one bike is making do-- and that is something that people seem to have forgotten. I disagree, to a point (or, perhaps that's after a point), with myself as a counter example. My custom Rivs will take, at most, a 35, 28 with fenders, and the wheels are small ones, 559 or 571. There is no way I could ride either of these, even with new tires, in the sandy soil of our bosque. There's even no way I could ride these on less soft off road surfaces, since they were built, per my instructions, for pavement riding only. In my own case (to continue talking about myself, which fascinates everyone, no?) the most versatile bike in the sense of, dammit!, choose one bike for everything and shut up!, would be the most extreme, the Redline Monocog 29er, since that *can* accept very fat tires with fenders, and also tires as narrow as you wish to mount (doubtless with disastrous results to the handling if below about 35 mm wide). Sure, one bike can do everything; you can climb Everest in a tuxedo. But it won't be fun. My idea of an all rounder is (1) that it be biased to do better either on road or off, and (2) that you accept compromises even with this bias. Personally (me again!) I have: gofast (fixed); commuter (fixed); grocery and beater (fixed); and off road bike (ss). -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Saluki for sale
BEAUTIFUL, and in my size favorite Saluki color. Hm :-) On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM, John Ferguson rfj1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, Having experienced the joys of Toei (and Weigle) it is with some regret that I must part with my Saluki. It's a wonderful bike (and the components are amazing) but it's not as well suited to the type of riding I do as the Toei. Plus I have *too many bikes.* Before I'm excommunicated, I'd like to say thank you to all of you who helped me build the bike! All the details are here: https://post.craigslist.org/manage/1363232757/pqqjc And pictures are here: http://tinyurl.com/mryyye John Ferguson New York, NY 917-770-9574 (if you prefer, otherwise use jferguson (at) medicalwriter.net) -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
You should start yelling at them in German to quit drafting you! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: But, then I think to myself, Sir? They were just being nice. Stop being so self-conscious. :-) Horace. Sunnyvale Quickbeam rider. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
Yeah! Except I don't know any German. How about I shake my liver spotted fist at them and scream: Juvenis est attero in tener! Juvenis est attero in tener! --- On Mon, 9/7/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:33 PM You should start yelling at them in German to quit drafting you! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: But, then I think to myself, Sir? They were just being nice. Stop being so self-conscious. :-) Horace. Sunnyvale Quickbeam rider. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
Juvenile tenors? Is that a band? On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yeah! Except I don't know any German. How about I shake my liver spotted fist at them and scream: Juvenis est attero in tener! Juvenis est attero in tener! --- On *Mon, 9/7/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:33 PM You should start yelling at them in German to quit drafting you! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.orghttp://mc/compose?to=max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.nethttp://mc/compose?to=r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: But, then I think to myself, Sir? They were just being nice. Stop being so self-conscious. :-) Horace. Sunnyvale Quickbeam rider. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Saluki for sale
Gasp! Wow. That's a nice one. Perfect. Hopefully someone from the list picks it up, as 62cm 650B (and built in an excellent Herse-esque rando style) is now the domain of customs. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Sep 7, 7:32 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: BEAUTIFUL, and in my size favorite Saluki color. Hm :-) On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 7:19 PM, John Ferguson rfj1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi all, Having experienced the joys of Toei (and Weigle) it is with some regret that I must part with my Saluki. It's a wonderful bike (and the components are amazing) but it's not as well suited to the type of riding I do as the Toei. Plus I have *too many bikes.* Before I'm excommunicated, I'd like to say thank you to all of you who helped me build the bike! All the details are here: https://post.craigslist.org/manage/1363232757/pqqjc And pictures are here: http://tinyurl.com/mryyye John Ferguson New York, NY 917-770-9574 (if you prefer, otherwise use jferguson (at) medicalwriter.net) -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cadence Question
Just spitballing here but it is possible that on the retired tri bike you were/are always in gotta go fast mode? as in I am training for a Tri or even if I am not training for one its just the way this bike is ridden? And now the Sam has a more laid back pedal slower vibe? FWIW I have a race bike that I tend to ride faster/pedal faster (or at least feel like I should) than I do my rivenated steel frame bike which unlike the racer has no clipless pedals/brifters/narrow seat etc... Just a thought. As the ever wise Jim puts it above .just enjoy the ride ;-) On Sep 7, 7:22 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: Pedaling cadence is over blown in my opinion. We are not machines . . .nor should we try to act like them. We have the capacity to spin fast, slow and everywhere in between. Your body lets you know how it will go best . I would just forget about your cadence . . . .and listen to what your body tells you. I take it you have a computer? . . . . disable or cover up the cadence number with black tape! I could say just ditch the whole computer, but I don't want to insult you :) I hear ya about the knee over pedal fallacy Patrick. I think I'm inches behind where that would put me . Saddle back, long cranks, and smooth pedaling . . . it's like floating over the road :) Slow cadence is another myth . . . as is longer cranks are hard on your knees. How about the ball of the foot over the spindle thing too? LOL!! There's as many ways to ride as there are people. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
No, I wear down youth! I really am ignorant On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: No try this: Youth is eroded by age! How's that? On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.comwrote: Youth weakens over time? Youth tires when worn down? Youth has no stamina? that is not literal; an attempt at the sense... I really should study more latin, ... I'm old enough now... yeah and classical greek too... Dang I might even get educated finally... On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:23 PM, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Juvenile tenors? Is that a band? On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yeah! Except I don't know any German. How about I shake my liver spotted fist at them and scream: Juvenis est attero in tener! Juvenis est attero in tener! --- On *Mon, 9/7/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:33 PM You should start yelling at them in German to quit drafting you! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.orghttp://mc/compose?to=max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.nethttp://mc/compose?to=r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: But, then I think to myself, Sir? They were just being nice. Stop being so self-conscious. :-) Horace. Sunnyvale Quickbeam rider. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
Bruce - get it -- no rain? I hated that song now and then. Regardless, we are indeed in a 3 year drought (its actually longer). So, to the sir. I think it has more to do with gravitas than age. The President would be called sir,: as would Prince Harry. So, the class exuded by your bicycle and its fancy appendages drew out the sir. Better than on your left, mister, - unless she was being saucy. Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Sep 7, 9:24 pm, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: No, I wear down youth! I really am ignorant On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: No try this: Youth is eroded by age! How's that? On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.comwrote: Youth weakens over time? Youth tires when worn down? Youth has no stamina? that is not literal; an attempt at the sense... I really should study more latin, ... I'm old enough now... yeah and classical greek too... Dang I might even get educated finally... On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:23 PM, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Juvenile tenors? Is that a band? On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yeah! Except I don't know any German. How about I shake my liver spotted fist at them and scream: Juvenis est attero in tener! Juvenis est attero in tener! --- On *Mon, 9/7/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:33 PM You should start yelling at them in German to quit drafting you! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.orghttp://mc/compose?to=max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.nethttp://mc/compose?to=r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: But, then I think to myself, Sir? They were just being nice. Stop being so self-conscious. :-) Horace. Sunnyvale Quickbeam rider. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
Youth weakens over time? Youth tires when worn down? Youth has no stamina? that is not literal; an attempt at the sense... I really should study more latin, ... I'm old enough now... yeah and classical greek too... Dang I might even get educated finally... On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:23 PM, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Juvenile tenors? Is that a band? On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yeah! Except I don't know any German. How about I shake my liver spotted fist at them and scream: Juvenis est attero in tener! Juvenis est attero in tener! --- On *Mon, 9/7/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:33 PM You should start yelling at them in German to quit drafting you! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.orghttp://mc/compose?to=max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.nethttp://mc/compose?to=r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: But, then I think to myself, Sir? They were just being nice. Stop being so self-conscious. :-) Horace. Sunnyvale Quickbeam rider. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Spurious Posts
Amen -what Patrick said THANKS! On Sep 7, 2:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Jim -- not to the subject, but thanks for your work in maintaining this entertaining list. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 9/7/09 2:16 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: My typing-fu is weak today: The most recent spam post didn't come across my inbox, and actually doesn't seem to only appear when the list is viewed through the online version. The only reason I caught it was from the ensuing comments. I'm not sure how it made its way to the group and apologize for it having done so. What I _meant_ was The most recent spam post didn't come across my inbox, and only seems to only appear when the list is viewed through the online version Didn't want to appear quite so double-negativeish. ;^) - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Cadence Question
Yes the 78 degree seat tube is correct on the old bike. It is a retired triathlon specific bike and is VERY upright, very short and very stiff. If you are on an aero type bar it is actully not uncomfortable because most of your weight is on your arms. But when you sit up it is like driving a broomhandle It is now relegated to a trainer. I also have an old Battaglin road bike that I still ride. The reason that I thought a longer chain might cause a slower cadence is because there would be more slack in the chain which causes some chain slap and that would change the feel of the bike. To prevent chain slap due to a sligtly unevan pedal cadence I might have slowed down. As to dumping the computer, it is my only cycling vice. I am probably a bigger retrogrouch than Grant Petersen in many ways but I like to see how fast I am going. It also provides the time and I hate to wear a watch while riding. I also have torn ligaments in my ankle so the cadence number is useful to me to keep the ankle from swelling. If I push high gears for too long I cannot walk the next day because the right foot swells. That's why I no longer do the tri-thing because running and swimming exacerbate the problem. All of that is a long way of saying I just found it curious that I naturally use a lower cadence on the Sam than on my other bikes On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Fai Mao i.am.fai@gmail.com wrote: Several 100 miles into the new Sam Hillborne and I’ve noticed something odd. It seems that I now ride a lower cadence than on the old bike. [...] is this something to do with going from a 78 degree seat tube to 71.5 degree seat tube? Or, is it possibly a function of the longer chain? 78 degree seat tube? Is that correct? Even if 78 is a mistake, and you went from a 73 to a 71.5, that would (all else equal) put you further behind the bb, and thus encourage a more powerful and slower cadence. Look at what happens when you climb: you shift backward on your saddle. But when you sprint, you shift forward. As for the longer chain, how do you figure that would slow your cadence? I can't get it to compute. FWIW, I made the mistake long ago of chasing KOPS -- knee over pedal spindle, the conventional saddle fore-and-aft fitting guide -- and ended up with my saddle all the way forward on the rails. Grant advised me to shove it back and bring the bars in and up, and, now, almost 15 years later, I use a rubber mallet to ensure my saddles are all the way back on the post (I use a post with considerable setback). AND, I have gone from spinning low gears fast to pushing larger ones slow, and I feel much stronger and more comfortable; in particular, my back is more comfortable even though my bars are still 2 below saddle. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- Fai Mao The Blogger who sometimes responds to comments --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
No try this: Youth is eroded by age! How's that? On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: Youth weakens over time? Youth tires when worn down? Youth has no stamina? that is not literal; an attempt at the sense... I really should study more latin, ... I'm old enough now... yeah and classical greek too... Dang I might even get educated finally... On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:23 PM, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: Juvenile tenors? Is that a band? On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:01 PM, Ray Shine r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Yeah! Except I don't know any German. How about I shake my liver spotted fist at them and scream: Juvenis est attero in tener! Juvenis est attero in tener! --- On *Mon, 9/7/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam? To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 7:33 PM You should start yelling at them in German to quit drafting you! On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.orghttp://mc/compose?to=max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.nethttp://mc/compose?to=r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: But, then I think to myself, Sir? They were just being nice. Stop being so self-conscious. :-) Horace. Sunnyvale Quickbeam rider. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym. ~Bill Nye, scientist guy -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
Classical geek, not greek. Face it, even without your Old Guys Rule T-shirt she spotted you for a geezer. Young people spot a lot more cues of aging than you or I do. Just accept it, man. You've got a patina that they can't even see. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Spurious Posts
Ditto. On Sep 8, 12:09 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Amen -what Patrick said THANKS! On Sep 7, 2:30 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Jim -- not to the subject, but thanks for your work in maintaining this entertaining list. On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 9/7/09 2:16 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: My typing-fu is weak today: The most recent spam post didn't come across my inbox, and actually doesn't seem to only appear when the list is viewed through the online version. The only reason I caught it was from the ensuing comments. I'm not sure how it made its way to the group and apologize for it having done so. What I _meant_ was The most recent spam post didn't come across my inbox, and only seems to only appear when the list is viewed through the online version Didn't want to appear quite so double-negativeish. ;^) - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Curious: Was it me, or the Quickbeam?
on 9/7/09 5:02 PM, Ray at r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Was it me, or the QB? Ray, I've seen you on the road, and you command respect... ;^) - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Three T-shirts Now Available: I've Got Downtube Shifters... S/S T-shirt Cyclocross - More Cowbell L/S T-shirt One Cog - Zero Excuses L/S T-shirt http://www.cyclofiend.com/stuff Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Basketed Hilsen
Brian, I remember your bike some earlier posts -- you had an equally beautiful brittney spaniel in one of the shots. That bike just gets more attractive every time that I look at it. Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
