date:20100426

Thanks, Mike!  I spent the last few days reading her trip report.
What a grand adventure!   Here are some of my favorite quotes:

--

I met one rollerblader this morning on a bike path in Portland, ME who
yelled to me, Did you leave anything at home?

--

Before we go any further, I should tell you, dear reader, about how I
have no sense of direction. None. Besides that, I routinely miss
signs. This means that you can count on lots of extraneous adventures;
I can pretty much guarantee getting lost at least once every day.

--

Fewer hills, but some of them were mighty big. I think I walked up 3
of them. But as Moni Neville said once on the phred list, I never met
a hill I couldn't walk.

--

I was lucky to find this campground as there were no other
accommodations anywhere near. It's actually a golf course. Look at the
net right behind the table in the picture. The first tee is right
behind me. I am hoping I don't get brained by a ball.

--

I should have titled this journal, Creeping across America in small
increments. But I'm training on the road. At least that's my excuse
for now.

--

There was some hairy riding this morning. Fast rush-hour traffic on 2-
lane roads with no shoulders, curves and hills. On some of the steeper
hills there was no room to wobble so I walked in the ditch with the
bike on the edge of the often broken white line area. I was glad to
get out of that area.

--

Today was a challenge. It was pouring cold rain as I headed down the
road. About 5 miles into the ride a highway sign said I was riding
East, and as we know, I'm supposed to be headed West.

--

But what a struggle! The terrain was easy - up and down small hills -
but my legs simply would not work today. I had to walk even the
smallest inclines and even pedalling down the other side was
difficult. Walking was hard, too. What on earth was happening? Food,
Gatorade, GU and electrolytes did not fix it. Finally, around the 10
mile mark my legs kicked in a bit, but not at their usual strength. It
wasn't until I got into a hotel room that it dawned on me that the
problem was probably that I'd been riding for 7 days and needed a rest
day. So I won't be riding tomorrow.

--

You will notice that I only did 13 miles today, but even that was an
accomplishment. Over the winter I had read CrazyGuy journals about the
killer hills in the stretch from Oxford through Bigelow Hollow State
Park and beyond, but truly, I had no idea. The hills were steep and
they were long and they were relentless and of course I walked them.
Walk 10 steps, rest, try to prevent the bike from rolling back down,
repeat. There were false tops to some of the hills, where just as I
thought I'd got there, the road would curve and there was another top,
and later, maybe another. When I actually got to the top there would
be a 1 to 2 mile descent, but I was so shakey I'd have to rest before
I felt competent to hurl myself down the hill.

--

I had to quit at 24 miles because my left cleat was not engaging with
the pedal and I had some foot slips and near spills because of it.
Fortunately, I had an extra set of Speedplay Frog cleats. I think that
walking up those hills finally killed that cleat, although they were 6
years old and quite worn down.

--

It was another exhausting day of hiking up long steep hills (1421 feet
total ascent) that I couldn't ride and rocketing down the other side.

--

I went into the police station at Sheffield to ask a question about
the map. The officer I spoke with used to be a racing cyclist but
can't ride now because he has knee problems. But here's the most
amazing thing I learned today. He will be having a procedure where
they grind up rooster combs, mix it with something, and inject it into
the knee. What?! This seemed so far out that I had to Google it, but
turns out it's an actual procedure. How did someone come to think this
up? Let's see - my patient's got bad knees and I've got this rooster
out there doing not much of anything, so...

--

Not far from Sand Hill Park and still in the wind farm area is the
Erie Shores Wind Farm Interpretive Centre. I stopped to see what I
could learn. The wind turbine pictured above is just across the road
and you can go over there and pet it if you want.

--

(At one town, Judy phoned up a classmate that she hadn't seen in 53
years and was able to locate here.  They spent the whole day chatting
and Judy spent the night at her house.)

--

As soon as I arrived in Big Sandy I went into the bar, which was the
only establishment in town that was open. A highschool friend named
Grace once lived here and I had hoped to connect with her. Everyone in
the bar of a certain age knew her, but sadly she died 2 or 3 years
ago.

--

As you can see in the picture, the shoulder is lovely as you start out
from Fort Benton, but it disappears completely 16 miles from Great
Falls. Moreover, you can't ride on the white line because there are
clumps of chipseal on it. So the only place to ride on this narrow,
heavily

[RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

Yahooo!  A new bike!  I love the fenders and basket.  Well done!

Ah hah!  I spy dura-ace bar end shifters instead of silvers...and SRAM
brake levers.  Can you explain?

Thanks

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Re: [RBW] grepsalot's Tour

2010-04-26 Thread Rene Sterental

I've been reading it too. It's amazing and certainly inspiring!

René

On 4/25/10, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Thanks, Mike!  I spent the last few days reading her trip report.
 What a grand adventure!   Here are some of my favorite quotes:

 --

 I met one rollerblader this morning on a bike path in Portland, ME who
 yelled to me, Did you leave anything at home?

 --

 Before we go any further, I should tell you, dear reader, about how I
 have no sense of direction. None. Besides that, I routinely miss
 signs. This means that you can count on lots of extraneous adventures;
 I can pretty much guarantee getting lost at least once every day.

 --

 Fewer hills, but some of them were mighty big. I think I walked up 3
 of them. But as Moni Neville said once on the phred list, I never met
 a hill I couldn't walk.

 --

 I was lucky to find this campground as there were no other
 accommodations anywhere near. It's actually a golf course. Look at the
 net right behind the table in the picture. The first tee is right
 behind me. I am hoping I don't get brained by a ball.

 --

 I should have titled this journal, Creeping across America in small
 increments. But I'm training on the road. At least that's my excuse
 for now.

 --

 There was some hairy riding this morning. Fast rush-hour traffic on 2-
 lane roads with no shoulders, curves and hills. On some of the steeper
 hills there was no room to wobble so I walked in the ditch with the
 bike on the edge of the often broken white line area. I was glad to
 get out of that area.

 --

 Today was a challenge. It was pouring cold rain as I headed down the
 road. About 5 miles into the ride a highway sign said I was riding
 East, and as we know, I'm supposed to be headed West.

 --

 But what a struggle! The terrain was easy - up and down small hills -
 but my legs simply would not work today. I had to walk even the
 smallest inclines and even pedalling down the other side was
 difficult. Walking was hard, too. What on earth was happening? Food,
 Gatorade, GU and electrolytes did not fix it. Finally, around the 10
 mile mark my legs kicked in a bit, but not at their usual strength. It
 wasn't until I got into a hotel room that it dawned on me that the
 problem was probably that I'd been riding for 7 days and needed a rest
 day. So I won't be riding tomorrow.

 --

 You will notice that I only did 13 miles today, but even that was an
 accomplishment. Over the winter I had read CrazyGuy journals about the
 killer hills in the stretch from Oxford through Bigelow Hollow State
 Park and beyond, but truly, I had no idea. The hills were steep and
 they were long and they were relentless and of course I walked them.
 Walk 10 steps, rest, try to prevent the bike from rolling back down,
 repeat. There were false tops to some of the hills, where just as I
 thought I'd got there, the road would curve and there was another top,
 and later, maybe another. When I actually got to the top there would
 be a 1 to 2 mile descent, but I was so shakey I'd have to rest before
 I felt competent to hurl myself down the hill.

 --

 I had to quit at 24 miles because my left cleat was not engaging with
 the pedal and I had some foot slips and near spills because of it.
 Fortunately, I had an extra set of Speedplay Frog cleats. I think that
 walking up those hills finally killed that cleat, although they were 6
 years old and quite worn down.

 --

 It was another exhausting day of hiking up long steep hills (1421 feet
 total ascent) that I couldn't ride and rocketing down the other side.

 --

 I went into the police station at Sheffield to ask a question about
 the map. The officer I spoke with used to be a racing cyclist but
 can't ride now because he has knee problems. But here's the most
 amazing thing I learned today. He will be having a procedure where
 they grind up rooster combs, mix it with something, and inject it into
 the knee. What?! This seemed so far out that I had to Google it, but
 turns out it's an actual procedure. How did someone come to think this
 up? Let's see - my patient's got bad knees and I've got this rooster
 out there doing not much of anything, so...

 --

 Not far from Sand Hill Park and still in the wind farm area is the
 Erie Shores Wind Farm Interpretive Centre. I stopped to see what I
 could learn. The wind turbine pictured above is just across the road
 and you can go over there and pet it if you want.

 --

 (At one town, Judy phoned up a classmate that she hadn't seen in 53
 years and was able to locate here.  They spent the whole day chatting
 and Judy spent the night at her house.)

 --

 As soon as I arrived in Big Sandy I went into the bar, which was the
 only establishment in town that was open. A highschool friend named
 Grace once lived here and I had hoped to connect with her. Everyone in
 the bar of a certain age knew her, but sadly she died 2 or 3 years
 ago.

 --

 As you can see in the picture, the shoulder is lovely as you start

[RBW] Re: Pletscher Rear Rack

2010-04-26 Thread Johnny Alien

I am going to start commuting to work.  The only thing I have is my
laptop backpack and I thought it would be easy enough to throw it on
the rack with a bungee and go.  It seemed like this would be good for
that purpose.  I really don't need anything for groceries or heavy
touring.  I just remembered that I had a Blackburn rack from a bike I
flipped out in the garage. I think I will jsut use that one as it's
free.

On Apr 25, 11:11 pm, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote:
 The trap is very convenient, but the rack is not particularly robust:
 the rear support rods are alloy and not very thick and are only
 riveted at the top.  Don't expect these to hold two loaded grocery
 bags in panniers on either side without bending.  They are perfect for
 light loads around town.  Get an elastic net or some bungees and it
 will be even more versatile.

 On Apr 25, 9:31 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:





  Yeah I think I am going to bypass this one but I do like the design
  and the Pletscher trap.

  On Apr 25, 10:15 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:

   It doesn't sound like that rack is very versatile:

   --
   If you have long forks (longer than regular road forks, about like the
   Hilsen or Hillborn), the struts won't reach, so you have to clamp them
   on, as shown in one of the photos.
   --

   Hence, the low price.

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[RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

2010-04-26 Thread Angus

A very nice bicycle, that Saluki color always looks good to me.

On Apr 26, 12:10 am, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote:
 My Saluki arrive from Rivendell.  I bought one of the frame
 specials.

 Pics at :  http://gallery.me.com/calmhappy1954#100129

 Boy it is a comfortable ride...

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[RBW] Re: Coth tape; was: Daughter's New Whip

2010-04-26 Thread Angus

I wrap from the ends toward the center of the bar.  Wrapped from the
center out, a hand sliding down the bar can lift the edge of the
tape.  If it is shellacked it probably doesn't matter.

Angus

On Apr 25, 4:52 pm, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
wrote:
 That's a really good idea! (wrap from the ends, tuck under the hoods).

 I left my Viva tape unfinished for almost a year, and it didn't
 unroll. After a while, I wrapped with copper 
 wire:http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/4510906281/

  Philip

 On Apr 25, 2:22 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:



  On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 4:56 PM, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote:
   have any of y'all glued the ends of cloth tape in place?
   Or shellacked it in place?

   I start on the top of the bar and wrap toward the ends, make a neat
   tuck, plug it with a wine cork, and shellac the whole thing. Slap a
   new coat on every year or so and it doesn't unravel - much more
   durable than cork wrap. And beats cork in the beausage department
   every time.

  I start at the center of the bar and at the bar end and wrap to the
  brake hood. Then I tuck everything in under the hood and it stays.

  I know it's cheating but it seems to work pretty well.

  -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pletscher Rear Rack

2010-04-26 Thread Ken Freeman

If you do buy a Pletscher, test whether it can hold your back back by
filling it with a representative amount of old books and go out for a ride.
I recall from the '70s it can take a bunch of bungee to hold a significant
load onto a Pletscher. If it can't handle them, get something else before
trusting your computer to a rack.

Can you stand to use a laptop messenger bag, instead? Your back is likely
to be more secure.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:19 AM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.netwrote:

I am going to start commuting to work. The only thing I have is my
laptop backpack and I thought it would be easy enough to throw it on
the rack with a bungee and go. It seemed like this would be good for
that purpose. I really don't need anything for groceries or heavy
touring. I just remembered that I had a Blackburn rack from a bike I
flipped out in the garage. I think I will jsut use that one as it's
free.

On Apr 25, 11:11 pm, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote:
The trap is very convenient, but the rack is not particularly robust:
the rear support rods are alloy and not very thick and are only
riveted at the top. Don't expect these to hold two loaded grocery
bags in panniers on either side without bending. They are perfect for
light loads around town. Get an elastic net or some bungees and it
will be even more versatile.

On Apr 25, 9:31 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote:

Yeah I think I am going to bypass this one but I do like the design
and the Pletscher trap.

On Apr 25, 10:15 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:

It doesn't sound like that rack is very versatile:

--
If you have long forks (longer than regular road forks, about like
the
Hilsen or Hillborn), the struts won't reach, so you have to clamp
them
on, as shown in one of the photos.
--

Hence, the low price.

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[RBW] Re: Paul racer M's

2010-04-26 Thread Marty

The original Racers are exceptional brakes Paul, and I will not
hesitate to build a bike around the M Brakes when the time comes.
Thanks for your ingenuity and dedication to creating a modern classic
- can't wait to see what's next!

Marty

On Apr 26, 2:01 am, paul p...@paulcomp.com wrote:
 These brakes work with 45mm fenders AND 32 tires. That's what I have
 on my Salsa Cassaroll, the proto machine for the proto brakes. I love
 these things. They keep on stopping in relation to lever force vs
 hitting a flexing point were the force just stays the same no matter
 how hard you pull. I am biased, duh, but this is a product I am really
 proud of.

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[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

On Apr 25, 8:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Silvers shift better than any friction shifter, bar end, trigger or down
 tube, that I have ever used, including Retrofriction downtubers. My only
 complaint with the long levers is that they end up exactly at the level of
 my top-tube-mounted pump...

And why is that bad?

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RE: [RBW] Re: unclaimed custom/Grant

I agree with you, Eric--it'd be interesting to see it sold as is but Grant gets 
to decide how to proceed...and it might be even more interesting to see how it 
is transformed!

Steve

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Subject: [RBW] Re: unclaimed custom/Grant


I'll be contrarian.  It's Rivendell's call, and if they feel the need
to re-do the bike before selling it, then they should.  While from the
photo, the bike looks nice, if Grant is not comfortable selling it
like that, he shouldn't be pressured into doing so.

In 20 years, is someone going to look at that bike and see hey, a
cool concept from Rivendell or what was Grant thinking?

Sort of reminds me of the Leica M5.  Yes, a way to put a meter in a
Leica M model.  But the end result looked like something that wasn't
typical Leica.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN



On Apr 23, 11:03�am, Joe Bernard joer...@gmail.com wrote:
 I agree, it seems a shame to go to all that work and lose money when
 there seems to be interest in it as is.

 On Apr 23, 7:00�am, bdavis999 braden_da...@hotmail.com wrote:





  Grant,

  Can I offer an idea here. �For many companies, part of the mystique
  and elements that build the long-termcult appeal are these very rare
  white elephant or skunk-works products.

  An example would be Fat City Tandems, or the Ibis Scorcher. �Soemtimes
  these items are strokes of genius, but sometimes they are random
  accidents.

  I imagine this bike, if left as-is would develop a lore of it's own.
  The one odd-ball, that passes through collections, hoepfully gets
  ridden hard, and maybe ends up in one of the bike museums.

  I remember form one of your first Readers a piece talking about how
  you imagined 100 years in the future that someone would dig out a
  rough frame from the scrap heap, and would be able to tell by the lugs
  and design that it was a Rivendell (my memory isn't so strong, but I
  think that's how it went).

  Somehow this bike, while not being pure to your vision, would be one
  of these frames that bike scholar's argue about, and bike geeks stay
  up all night chatting about when and where they first heard about it.

  Just looking at the enthusiasm this one-off has cused on this board
  would be an indication of how this bike is already a cult object, and
  your fans are afraid that this one white elephant would be stripped of
  its tusks...

  Plkeas, take a bit of time to reflect. �Maybe this is an opportunity
  to think about where in the life of Rivendell you need or want to
  inject these rare and truly unique gems (or aberations) into your
  legacy.

  Thanks!
  Braden

  On Apr 23, 1:22�am, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote:

   The bike is beautiful, yes, but for a complication of reasons, not all of
   which are rational, it will be transformed, plained-down, de-'caled, and
   repainted. Canti-bosses will be added to the seat stays, and it'll be made
   rackable, and 'enderable---so it will be way more go, tho' some less show.
   It may *seem* a shame, but it's not. It will be a *happy* transformation. 
   If
   we put a dollar value on the time spent on this bike, it would be the most
   expensive bike we've ever done. More than 40 hours of consultation over 
   two
   years. It's OK, part of the deal, but after all that, catharsis is the 
   only
   option. This showgirl's going to get a good scrub-down and work on the 
   farm,
   and in my estimation, will be more beautiful for it.
   My only regret, and it's not a small one, is that Joe Bell's labor will be
   undone. All...$900 or so of it. We've been good customers to JB over the
   years and ask his understanding this one rare time, and your's, too.

   Grant

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[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

 And why is that bad?

Dings, dents, scratches.

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 On Apr 25, 8:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

  The Silvers shift better than any friction shifter, bar end, trigger or down
  tube, that I have ever used, including Retrofriction downtubers. My only
  complaint with the long levers is that they end up exactly at the level of
  my top-tube-mounted pump...

 And why is that bad?

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[RBW] Re: Paul racer M's

2010-04-26 Thread MichaelH

I (quite literally) owe my life to my neo-retros; that's why I speced
the racers on my new tandem and will convert my Rambouillet to Racer
Ms, as soon as I get the scratch. Growing old stinks, but it still
beats the alternative.
Michael


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 These brakes work with 45mm fenders AND 32 tires. That's what I have
 on my Salsa Cassaroll, the proto machine for the proto brakes. I love
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 hitting a flexing point were the force just stays the same no matter
 how hard you pull. I am biased, duh, but this is a product I am really
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[RBW] nitto big rack question

Hi,

It seems to me that the horse shoe shaped portion that juts upward on
the seat stay end of the rack would just get in the way when trying to
strap things onto the rack.  For instance, my Therm-a-Rest mattress is
25 inches wide.  If I strapped it onto the rack, it would protrude 10
inches off the back.  It seems to me that if the upward jutting
horseshoe portion wasn't there, I could slide the mattress all the way
up against the seat stays so that less of the mattress protruded off
the end of the rack.  Why was the rack designed that way?

Has anyone toured with the Nitto Big Rack?  What did you think of it?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: nitto big rack question

Many front racks incorporate similar features.

They serve two functions.  First, they are a handy place to strap
things.  Second, they stop things on top of the rack from falling on
to, and interefering with, the front brake.

On Apr 26, 7:53 am, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi,

 It seems to me that the horse shoe shaped portion that juts upward on
 the seat stay end of the rack would just get in the way when trying to
 strap things onto the rack.  For instance, my Therm-a-Rest mattress is
 25 inches wide.  If I strapped it onto the rack, it would protrude 10
 inches off the back.  It seems to me that if the upward jutting
 horseshoe portion wasn't there, I could slide the mattress all the way
 up against the seat stays so that less of the mattress protruded off
 the end of the rack.  Why was the rack designed that way?

 Has anyone toured with the Nitto Big Rack?  What did you think of it?

 Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: nitto big rack question

Oh, and for loaded touring,  I prefer a plain lowrider with a bar
bag.

On Apr 26, 8:13 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
 Many front racks incorporate similar features.

 They serve two functions.  First, they are a handy place to strap
 things.  Second, they stop things on top of the rack from falling on
 to, and interefering with, the front brake.

 On Apr 26, 7:53 am, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:





  Hi,

  It seems to me that the horse shoe shaped portion that juts upward on
  the seat stay end of the rack would just get in the way when trying to
  strap things onto the rack.  For instance, my Therm-a-Rest mattress is
  25 inches wide.  If I strapped it onto the rack, it would protrude 10
  inches off the back.  It seems to me that if the upward jutting
  horseshoe portion wasn't there, I could slide the mattress all the way
  up against the seat stays so that less of the mattress protruded off
  the end of the rack.  Why was the rack designed that way?

  Has anyone toured with the Nitto Big Rack?  What did you think of it?

  Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul racer M's

2010-04-26 Thread Dustin Sharp

I'm pretty excited about these brakes too; So much that I have speced the
braze-on version for an incoming custom.

And then there is the love I have for my neo-retros on another bike. Best
cantis out there.

Cheers,

Dustin Sharp
San Diego, Calif.


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 I (quite literally) owe my life to my neo-retros; that's why I speced
 the racers on my new tandem and will convert my Rambouillet to Racer
 Ms, as soon as I get the scratch. Growing old stinks, but it still
 beats the alternative.
 Michael
 
 
 On Apr 26, 2:01 am, paul p...@paulcomp.com wrote:
 These brakes work with 45mm fenders AND 32 tires. That's what I have
 on my Salsa Cassaroll, the proto machine for the proto brakes. I love
 these things. They keep on stopping in relation to lever force vs
 hitting a flexing point were the force just stays the same no matter
 how hard you pull. I am biased, duh, but this is a product I am really
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Re: [RBW] nitto big rack question

2010-04-26 Thread Ray Shine

I have toured with the rack, as well as using it locally and for commuting from 
time to time.  You are absolutely correct.   That loop does interfere with 
packing objects onto the top of the rack, as well as interfere with some 
saddlebags hanging from the seat.  I have often considered cutting it off, just 
haven't.  I'm guessing that its function is to give some lateral bracing to the 
rack, and perhaps protect the brake hanger.  I guess …





From: happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 5:53:45 AM
Subject: [RBW] nitto big rack question

Hi,

It seems to me that the horse shoe shaped portion that juts upward on
the seat stay end of the rack would just get in the way when trying to
strap things onto the rack.  For instance, my Therm-a-Rest mattress is
25 inches wide.  If I strapped it onto the rack, it would protrude 10
inches off the back.  It seems to me that if the upward jutting
horseshoe portion wasn't there, I could slide the mattress all the way
up against the seat stays so that less of the mattress protruded off
the end of the rack.  Why was the rack designed that way?

Has anyone toured with the Nitto Big Rack?  What did you think of it?

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Paul racer M's

2010-04-26 Thread Esteban

45mm fenders and 32mm tires - that sounds pretty great for my
Romulus.  Oh, wait, I have an Ebisu coming to accommodate just that
combo!  Oh, well.

The brakes look stellar.  Hopefully more people will post here with
their Roadeos/Rams/Roms all suited up in Ms!  Motolite BMXs on my
Rawland (dang! those are good), and neo-retros on the to-buy list.

Good stuff.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.



On Apr 26, 6:50 am, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm pretty excited about these brakes too; So much that I have speced the
 braze-on version for an incoming custom.

 And then there is the love I have for my neo-retros on another bike. Best
 cantis out there.

 Cheers,

 Dustin Sharp
 San Diego, Calif.

 On 4/26/10 5:29 AM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:





  I (quite literally) owe my life to my neo-retros; that's why I speced
  the racers on my new tandem and will convert my Rambouillet to Racer
  Ms, as soon as I get the scratch. Growing old stinks, but it still
  beats the alternative.
  Michael

  On Apr 26, 2:01 am, paul p...@paulcomp.com wrote:
  These brakes work with 45mm fenders AND 32 tires. That's what I have
  on my Salsa Cassaroll, the proto machine for the proto brakes. I love
  these things. They keep on stopping in relation to lever force vs
  hitting a flexing point were the force just stays the same no matter
  how hard you pull. I am biased, duh, but this is a product I am really
  proud of.

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[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-26 Thread Scott G.

SunTour bar-cons still appear on E-bay, look for the Schwinn
Approved
models for extra style points. Blunt for knee safe operation.

When I rode Shimano bar-cons I practiced shifting with my knees,
good party trick.  Shimano friction is no where near a nice
as power ratchet, too stiff.

http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/sg8357/Scott-Goldsmith/ebisu/Ebisu-AP.JPG.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul racer M's

2010-04-26 Thread James Warren


Spending a lot for outstanding brakes like these makes sense, while I can't 
understand the hype and expense that so many people are willing to tolerate 
when it comes to shifting systems...oh wait, this is the choir I'm talking to.

-Jim W.


-Original Message-
From: Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com
Sent: Apr 26, 2010 6:50 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Paul racer M's

I'm pretty excited about these brakes too; So much that I have speced the
braze-on version for an incoming custom.

And then there is the love I have for my neo-retros on another bike. Best
cantis out there.

Cheers,

Dustin Sharp
San Diego, Calif.


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 I (quite literally) owe my life to my neo-retros; that's why I speced
 the racers on my new tandem and will convert my Rambouillet to Racer
 Ms, as soon as I get the scratch. Growing old stinks, but it still
 beats the alternative.
 Michael
 
 
 On Apr 26, 2:01 am, paul p...@paulcomp.com wrote:
 These brakes work with 45mm fenders AND 32 tires. That's what I have
 on my Salsa Cassaroll, the proto machine for the proto brakes. I love
 these things. They keep on stopping in relation to lever force vs
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul racer M's

Didn't know that, cool.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm pretty excited about these brakes too; So much that I have speced the
braze-on version for an incoming custom.

And then there is the love I have for my neo-retros on another bike. Best
cantis out there.

Cheers,

Dustin Sharp
San Diego, Calif.

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I (quite literally) owe my life to my neo-retros; that's why I speced
the racers on my new tandem and will convert my Rambouillet to Racer
Ms, as soon as I get the scratch. Growing old stinks, but it still
beats the alternative.
Michael

On Apr 26, 2:01 am, paul p...@paulcomp.com wrote:
These brakes work with 45mm fenders AND 32 tires. That's what I have
on my Salsa Cassaroll, the proto machine for the proto brakes. I love
these things. They keep on stopping in relation to lever force vs
hitting a flexing point were the force just stays the same no matter
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[RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

2010-04-26 Thread Justin August

How do you like the SRAM levers?

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 My Saluki arrive from Rivendell.  I bought one of the frame
 specials.

 Pics at :  http://gallery.me.com/calmhappy1954#100129

 Boy it is a comfortable ride...

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[RBW] Re: nitto big rack question

The loop does not have as much practical value when using the rack on
the back of the bike as the struts provide support and protect the
rear brake.  If you are lucky enough to have a bike with rack mount
studs on top of the fork crown, it would not be necessary up front,
either.

I think Ray is correct about lateral bracing.  Most front racks I have
seen without the loop are rated lower for weight than those that have
one.

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 I have toured with the rack, as well as using it locally and for commuting 
 from time to time.  You are absolutely correct.   That loop does interfere 
 with packing objects onto the top of the rack, as well as interfere with some 
 saddlebags hanging from the seat.  I have often considered cutting it off, 
 just haven't.  I'm guessing that its function is to give some lateral bracing 
 to the rack, and perhaps protect the brake hanger.  I guess …

 
 From: happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 5:53:45 AM
 Subject: [RBW] nitto big rack question

 Hi,

 It seems to me that the horse shoe shaped portion that juts upward on
 the seat stay end of the rack would just get in the way when trying to
 strap things onto the rack.  For instance, my Therm-a-Rest mattress is
 25 inches wide.  If I strapped it onto the rack, it would protrude 10
 inches off the back.  It seems to me that if the upward jutting
 horseshoe portion wasn't there, I could slide the mattress all the way
 up against the seat stays so that less of the mattress protruded off
 the end of the rack.  Why was the rack designed that way?

 Has anyone toured with the Nitto Big Rack?  What did you think of it?

 Thanks.

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[RBW] Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Bridgestone

You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has
owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies?

I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long
class in the Catskills and built my own bamboo fly rod. I'm hooked now
(hell yes, pun intended!)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

That butterscotch Saluki is my favorite color!

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How do you like the SRAM levers?

On Apr 26, 1:10 am, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote:
My Saluki arrive from Rivendell. I bought one of the frame
specials.

Pics at : http://gallery.me.com/calmhappy1954#100129

Boy it is a comfortable ride...

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Re: [RBW] Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Bruce

Fountain pen restoration/collecting





From: Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com
Subject: [RBW] Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has
owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies?


  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

2010-04-26 Thread Bruce

I like it okay, but that Brandywine Red is what I'm going for when my sage 
green one needs a re-do.


 http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc307-iankersey0507.html




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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

That butterscotch Saluki is my favorite color!


  

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Re: [RBW] Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Seth Vidal

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Fountain pen restoration/collecting


I don't restore them but I use them  fairly exclusively. But I used
them before I discovered rivendell.

I've started sewing more, though I don't suspect that is a much of a
riv'ish hobby.

Does gardening count? Probably not.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Jon Grant

Seth Vidal wrote:

I've started sewing more, though I don't suspect that is a much of a
riv'ish hobby.

Does gardening count? Probably not.

-sv

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centers around a more calorie-burning, sustainable, self-sufficient,
fun-yet-useful activity fits the Rivendell philosophy as I understand it.

Jon ³Oliver Wendell Douglass² Grant, who just yesterday planted cukes,
yellow squash, and zucchini in his front flower plot, and now considers
himself a right proper organic food-crop family farmer, in sunny
Austin ³Green Acres² Texas


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[RBW] Re: nitto big rack question

I have a big rack on my Sam which supports my commuting panniers
nicely.  I haven't toured with it yet, but it would easily fit one of
the newer therma-rest pads.  The NeoAir for example is 4 X 9 packed
and could go in a pannier or sit on top.  A down sleeping bag in a
waterproof stuff sack would sit up their easily as well.  I have
already moved in this direction for backpacking gear to save weight
and space as a down sleeping bag packs down to about the size of a
loaf of bread and I can fit both the mattress and the pad in the
sleeping bag compartment of my pack and use the pad loops to hold my
tent (which is usually wet) on the outside of the pack. No one wants
to go spend their fun tickets on gear when they have a perfectly
suitable mattress and sleeping bag that has served them well, but the
stuff is out there.

If the horseshoe continues to perplex look at a Bruce Gordon rack.  No
horseshoe there.

D.G.

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 Hi,

 It seems to me that the horse shoe shaped portion that juts upward on
 the seat stay end of the rack would just get in the way when trying to
 strap things onto the rack.  For instance, my Therm-a-Rest mattress is
 25 inches wide.  If I strapped it onto the rack, it would protrude 10
 inches off the back.  It seems to me that if the upward jutting
 horseshoe portion wasn't there, I could slide the mattress all the way
 up against the seat stays so that less of the mattress protruded off
 the end of the rack.  Why was the rack designed that way?

 Has anyone toured with the Nitto Big Rack?  What did you think of it?

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[RBW] Re: nitto big rack question

Believe you are referring to the B Gordon High Mount rack:

http://bgcycles.com/racks.html

BG does some interesting things with that rack.  It attached both at
the drop out and mid fork mount.  It also sets further back on the
fork than most front racks.  For the right bike, it is a great design.

On Apr 26, 10:13 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 I have a big rack on my Sam which supports my commuting panniers
 nicely.  I haven't toured with it yet, but it would easily fit one of
 the newer therma-rest pads.  The NeoAir for example is 4 X 9 packed
 and could go in a pannier or sit on top.  A down sleeping bag in a
 waterproof stuff sack would sit up their easily as well.  I have
 already moved in this direction for backpacking gear to save weight
 and space as a down sleeping bag packs down to about the size of a
 loaf of bread and I can fit both the mattress and the pad in the
 sleeping bag compartment of my pack and use the pad loops to hold my
 tent (which is usually wet) on the outside of the pack. No one wants
 to go spend their fun tickets on gear when they have a perfectly
 suitable mattress and sleeping bag that has served them well, but the
 stuff is out there.

 If the horseshoe continues to perplex look at a Bruce Gordon rack.  No
 horseshoe there.

 D.G.

 On Apr 26, 6:53 am, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:





  Hi,

  It seems to me that the horse shoe shaped portion that juts upward on
  the seat stay end of the rack would just get in the way when trying to
  strap things onto the rack.  For instance, my Therm-a-Rest mattress is
  25 inches wide.  If I strapped it onto the rack, it would protrude 10
  inches off the back.  It seems to me that if the upward jutting
  horseshoe portion wasn't there, I could slide the mattress all the way
  up against the seat stays so that less of the mattress protruded off
  the end of the rack.  Why was the rack designed that way?

  Has anyone toured with the Nitto Big Rack?  What did you think of it?

  Thanks.

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RE: [RBW] STI 10 speed with 24-34 as low

Nice bike!  I ran that rust tape on my same color Heron for a while--it's a 
good look.  Running tan now to match the Banana bag...

Steve

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Subject: [RBW] STI 10 speed with 24-34 as low

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035...@n07/4551628878/in/set-72157623929181002/

Hard to set up, especially since I used the Mavic crank, but it almost gets 
every gear I want. Anyway, I'm happy to add this Heron road photo, since we 
don't see enough of that model. I want to thank Todd Kuzma for being really 
helpful to me when he sold the frame to me in late 2007. I've been using the 
bike in various shifting modes (road thumbies for example) for a about a year 
and a half, and in mid-09, Nashbar was closing out their Ultegra 10 speed 
triple brifters for $140, so I couldn't resist.

To get an extreme gear on the low end and not rub the chain on the high end, I 
sometimes have to turn the downtube barrel adjuster while riding. It actually 
kind of addresses the problem. It's like having some trim on your trim-lacking 
Shimano front brifters.

-Jim W.

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

 Oh, I think it counts. I think they both count utterly. Any hobby that
centers around a more calorie-burning, sustainable, self-sufficient,
fun-yet-useful activity fits the Rivendell philosophy as I understand
it.

Agree.  Self supporting and sustainable.

I don't have a yard, so gardening is out.  I do collect old tools,
some of which come in handy when working on the Riv.  All of which
make clear that while technology inevitably marches along, those who
came before us knew a thing or two about getting things done.

On Apr 26, 10:13 am, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote:
 Seth Vidal wrote:

 I've started sewing more, though I don't suspect that is a much of a
 riv'ish hobby.

 Does gardening count? Probably not.

 -sv

 ===

 Oh, I think it counts. I think they both count utterly. Any hobby that
 centers around a more calorie-burning, sustainable, self-sufficient,
 fun-yet-useful activity fits the Rivendell philosophy as I understand it.

 Jon ³Oliver Wendell Douglass² Grant, who just yesterday planted cukes,
 yellow squash, and zucchini in his front flower plot, and now considers
 himself a right proper organic food-crop family farmer, in sunny
 Austin ³Green Acres² Texas

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[RBW] Re: Coth tape; was: Daughter's New Whip

2010-04-26 Thread wile

I wrap from the ends, first cork, then cloth.  The cork makes it all
the way to the top of the bar, several inches from the stem.  One roll
of cloth makes it just several inches past the brake lever because of
the increased diameter, so I use two rolls of cloth on each side (ends
up 1.5 with pieces left over).  I start the second roll just
overlapping with the first and make one full revolution before
continuing up the bar.  Twine at the end and shellac the whole thing.
I know two rolls of cloth on each side seems excessive, but I am so
happy with the looks and comfort and I think it should last a long
time.

On Apr 26, 3:31 am, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 I wrap from the ends toward the center of the bar.  Wrapped from the
 center out, a hand sliding down the bar can lift the edge of the
 tape.  If it is shellacked it probably doesn't matter.

 Angus

 On Apr 25, 4:52 pm, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com
 wrote:





  That's a really good idea! (wrap from the ends, tuck under the hoods).

  I left my Viva tape unfinished for almost a year, and it didn't
  unroll. After a while, I wrapped with copper 
  wire:http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/4510906281/

   Philip

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   On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 4:56 PM, velomann velom...@gmail.com wrote:
have any of y'all glued the ends of cloth tape in place?
Or shellacked it in place?

I start on the top of the bar and wrap toward the ends, make a neat
tuck, plug it with a wine cork, and shellac the whole thing. Slap a
new coat on every year or so and it doesn't unravel - much more
durable than cork wrap. And beats cork in the beausage department
every time.

   I start at the center of the bar and at the bar end and wrap to the
   brake hood. Then I tuck everything in under the hood and it stays.

   I know it's cheating but it seems to work pretty well.

   -sv

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Mike

I like to read. John McPhee is a favorite. His name and references to
his book Coming Into the Country have appeared in the RR on more than
one occasion if I remember correctly.

There's lots of Rivish stuff I can appreciate like fly fishing,
hiking, backpacking, craftwork, etc but my time is limited and I just
love cycling so I pretty much stick with that for hobbies.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread wile

Agreed - I don't collect fountain pens except for use, and use them
fairly exclusively.  I also brew my own beer.

Dylan

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 On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Fountain pen restoration/collecting

 I don't restore them but I use them  fairly exclusively. But I used
 them before I discovered rivendell.

 I've started sewing more, though I don't suspect that is a much of a
 riv'ish hobby.

 Does gardening count? Probably not.

 -sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread rswatson

Is eating a hobby?

Ride to eat, eat to ride!



On Apr 26, 2010, at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:

 Oh, I think it counts. I think they both count utterly. Any hobby that
 centers around a more calorie-burning, sustainable, self-sufficient,
 fun-yet-useful activity fits the Rivendell philosophy as I understand
 it.
 
 Agree.  Self supporting and sustainable.
 
 I don't have a yard, so gardening is out.  I do collect old tools,
 some of which come in handy when working on the Riv.  All of which
 make clear that while technology inevitably marches along, those who
 came before us knew a thing or two about getting things done.
 
 On Apr 26, 10:13 am, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote:
 Seth Vidal wrote:
 
 I've started sewing more, though I don't suspect that is a much of a
 riv'ish hobby.
 
 Does gardening count? Probably not.
 
 -sv
 
 ===
 
 Oh, I think it counts. I think they both count utterly. Any hobby that
 centers around a more calorie-burning, sustainable, self-sufficient,
 fun-yet-useful activity fits the Rivendell philosophy as I understand it.
 
 Jon ³Oliver Wendell Douglass² Grant, who just yesterday planted cukes,
 yellow squash, and zucchini in his front flower plot, and now considers
 himself a right proper organic food-crop family farmer, in sunny
 Austin ³Green Acres² Texas
 
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[RBW] Re: Paul racer M's

2010-04-26 Thread Michael_S

I chose the Racers for my new custom as well, the originals in the
brazed on version. With a custom front rack using the special front
bolts as well. The bike is at Spectrum Powder right now getting
finished.

...also have the Touring canti's on my new Hillborne, which work
superbly.

~Mike~

On Apr 26, 7:32 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Didn't know that, cool.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm pretty excited about these brakes too; So much that I have speced the
braze-on version for an incoming custom.

And then there is the love I have for my neo-retros on another bike. Best
cantis out there.

Cheers,

Dustin Sharp
San Diego, Calif.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread PATRICK MOORE

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:43 AM, rswat...@me.com wrote:

 Is eating a hobby?

 Only if you do it yourself.

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

This post has me thinking about guitars, fly fishing, and cycling.
Long before I bought a Riv I acquired a taste for woody Martin guitars
and and favored my Winston traditional trout rod over my Sage
artillery pieces.  My fly boxes are adorned with modern bead-headed
and foam flies (trout bling), but I prefer to tie furry little
traditional bugs.  80% of the trout I catch fall for traditional
nymphs and dries.  In a way, those things opened me up to owning a
Rivendell and not the other way around.

That said, I wouldn't trade my gore-tex waders for old rubber chest
waders.  I play a very nice Taylor guitar when I have to plug in or
want it to be loud and bright.  I will fish my fast action fly rods
when the situation demands--i.e. when casting heavy streamers to
steelhead or big trout in big water, but just because I can cast 70
feet of shooting head with this gear doesn't mean I love doing it, nor
does it bring me more pleasure than a well placed thirty foot cast
that drops a size 18 Adams into a slot six inches wide and three feet
long. The point, I suppose, is to be objective about new technology
and its so called advantages.  Sometimes the advantages are real, but
often its just hype to get you to buy another version of something you
already have or an attempt to push everyone to the extreme edge of
their hobby or sport.

Do enjoy that new bamboo rod--I'm sure its a lovely reed.  What are
the specifics of the rod (wt., length) and what reel did you put on
it?

And noting the other posts--I use a fountain pen.  I think gardening
counts and I don't know why something as practical as sewing wouldn't
count as well.

D.G.

On Apr 26, 9:13 am, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote:
 Seth Vidal wrote:

 I've started sewing more, though I don't suspect that is a much of a
 riv'ish hobby.

 Does gardening count? Probably not.

 -sv

 ===

 Oh, I think it counts. I think they both count utterly. Any hobby that
 centers around a more calorie-burning, sustainable, self-sufficient,
 fun-yet-useful activity fits the Rivendell philosophy as I understand it.

 Jon ³Oliver Wendell Douglass² Grant, who just yesterday planted cukes,
 yellow squash, and zucchini in his front flower plot, and now considers
 himself a right proper organic food-crop family farmer, in sunny
 Austin ³Green Acres² Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

Wow.  I mean really, wow.

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I like it okay, but that Brandywine Red is what I'm going for when my sage
 green one needs a re-do.

  http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc307-iankersey0507.html

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 That butterscotch Saluki is my favorite color!


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[RBW] Re: nitto big rack question

On Apr 26, 9:13 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 I have a big rack on my Sam which supports my commuting panniers
 nicely.  I haven't toured with it yet, but it would easily fit one of
 the newer therma-rest pads.  The NeoAir for example is 4 X 9 packed
 and could go in a pannier or sit on top.

4 inches x 9 inches?  How wide and long is it when it is inflated?

 A down sleeping bag in a
 waterproof stuff sack would sit up their easily as well.  I have
 already moved in this direction for backpacking gear to save weight
 and space as a down sleeping bag packs down to about the size of a
 loaf of bread

In my opinion, down is only appropriate for snowy climates.   If you
get down wet, it won't work anymore.  The first time you ever try to
wash and then dry a down sleeping bag or jacket, you will realize the
world of hurt you will be in if you get one wet.  They take longer
than a week to dry out.



 If the horseshoe continues to perplex look at a Bruce Gordon rack.  No
 horseshoe there.


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[RBW] Speed Up My Sam

Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

D.G.

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

I lived in Alaska for 13 years. There is no better read than Coming
Into the Country.  Just thinking about it makes me unbearably
homesick.

D.G.

On Apr 26, 9:36 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I like to read. John McPhee is a favorite. His name and references to
 his book Coming Into the Country have appeared in the RR on more than
 one occasion if I remember correctly.

 There's lots of Rivish stuff I can appreciate like fly fishing,
 hiking, backpacking, craftwork, etc but my time is limited and I just
 love cycling so I pretty much stick with that for hobbies.

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

On Apr 26, 8:41 am, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote:

 I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long
 class in the Catskills and built my own bamboo fly rod. I'm hooked now
 (hell yes, pun intended!)


Nice.  They are beautiful, aren't they?  Making one yourself and then
fishing it with flies you tied yourself must be the ultimate fly
fishing experience.

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

By the way, did you ever see the pictures of the Vanilla fishing bike?

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Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam

Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either go
with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest
rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too
delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the
events you mentioned.

If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm
from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a
little bit less drag.

You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole
Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the
Cypres... you'd be set (maybe).

Have fun!

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:

Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle.

I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible. I have a
slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
my old Roubaix). I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
than I was on road bike. I've never been a racer but I really don't
want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
difference with pure horsepower. I'm planning on a second bike to
take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam? Wheels? Tires?
I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues. And if it just
can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

D.G.

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Re: [RBW] Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Bill Connell

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote:
 You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has
 owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies?

 I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long
 class in the Catskills and built my own bamboo fly rod. I'm hooked now
 (hell yes, pun intended!)


I've always been a DIY tinkerer, and this winter added sewing to my
many hobbies. I've also built some of my own furniture, my own LED
lights, and a bike trailer from cut-up frames (nearly done). I have an
old tube radio that i'm planning to rebuild (recap) when i get a spare
weekend.

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs.

Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of
this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what
convinced me I was through with the Roubaix.

D.G.

On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues.  Either go
 with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s.  Those are the nicest
 rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using.  I found them too
 delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the
 events you mentioned.

 If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm
 from where they are as well.  Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a
 little bit less drag.

 You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim?  I'd recommend 28 hole
 Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out.  Those plus the
 Cypres... you'd be set (maybe).

 Have fun!





 On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
  Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
  bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

  I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
  slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
  I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
  fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
  my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
  than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
  want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
  difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
  take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

  So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
  I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
  can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
  I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

  D.G.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

That's the rub, isn't it. Comfort vs. efficiency/aerodynamics.

I don't know what you'll feel about the looks, but the Velocity Nuvian
wheelset http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=624 is built
with Aerohead rims.

Arm-chair quarterback mode off.

Cheers,
David

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:

Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs.

Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of
this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what
convinced me I was through with the Roubaix.

D.G.

On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues. Either
go
with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s. Those are the nicest
rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using. I found them too
delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the
events you mentioned.

If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2
cm
from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get
a
little bit less drag.

You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole
Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the
Cypres... you'd be set (maybe).

Have fun!

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle.

D.G.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

Here's a link for the wheels in other than black 32 spoke. Another lister
found these and is giving them a try.

http://www.bikemania.biz/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=VeloCity_NuvianClick=15344

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:36 AM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

That's the rub, isn't it. Comfort vs. efficiency/aerodynamics.

I don't know what you'll feel about the looks, but the Velocity Nuvian
wheelset http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=624 is built
with Aerohead rims.

Arm-chair quarterback mode off.

Cheers,
David

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:

Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs.

Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of
this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what
convinced me I was through with the Roubaix.

D.G.

If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2
cm
from where they are as well. Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get
a
little bit less drag.

You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim? I'd recommend 28 hole
Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out. Those plus the
Cypres... you'd be set (maybe).

Have fun!

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
bones over. I'm new to this type of bicycle.

D.G.

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-26 Thread MichaelH

Well that's a pretty heavy rim  tire combo.  Remember it is the
wheels you have to accelerate, so weight taken off there will yield
the most benefit.  I'd consider a second set of wheels.  If you can
afford it White Hubs, Open Pro rims, 32 spokes with some Michelin 25mm
tires.  That will help you accelerate when you need to stay with the
group, and will be zippier going uphill, which is where you are
probably loosing the pace.  Ride with your current wheels every day
and switch to the lighter ones for longer events.

Michael

On Apr 26, 12:21 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs.

 Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of
 this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what
 convinced me I was through with the Roubaix.

 D.G.

 On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:





  Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues.  Either go
  with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s.  Those are the nicest
  rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using.  I found them too
  delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the
  events you mentioned.

  If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm
  from where they are as well.  Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a
  little bit less drag.

  You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim?  I'd recommend 28 hole
  Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out.  Those plus the
  Cypres... you'd be set (maybe).

  Have fun!

  On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
   Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
   bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

   I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
   slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
   I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
   fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
   my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
   than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
   want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
   difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
   take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

   So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
   I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
   can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
   I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

   D.G.

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[RBW] Re: nitto big rack question

The NeoAir inflated is 72 X 20.

Agreed that the down sleeping bag is worthless when wet which is why a
waterproof stuff-sack is mandatory.  I've backpacked, sea kayaked,
biked and river rafted in miserable wet weather in the Rockies and
Alaska, and never had a problem. That said you do need to be
thoughtful about packing it and keeping it dry and you need a very
high degree of confidence in your tent.  A down sleeping bag will also
last much longer than a comparable synthetic (I put the lifespan of a
heavily used synthetic at around 5 years, even if kept in a storage
bag).  For me the comfort and weight savings are worth it.  Others
reasonably reach a different conclusion.  If you're going to be driven
to distraction by the thought of a down bag getting wet go with the
synthetic.

D.G.

On Apr 26, 10:06 am, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On Apr 26, 9:13 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:

  I have a big rack on my Sam which supports my commuting panniers
  nicely.  I haven't toured with it yet, but it would easily fit one of
  the newer therma-rest pads.  The NeoAir for example is 4 X 9 packed
  and could go in a pannier or sit on top.

 4 inches x 9 inches?  How wide and long is it when it is inflated?

  A down sleeping bag in a
  waterproof stuff sack would sit up their easily as well.  I have
  already moved in this direction for backpacking gear to save weight
  and space as a down sleeping bag packs down to about the size of a
  loaf of bread

 In my opinion, down is only appropriate for snowy climates.   If you
 get down wet, it won't work anymore.  The first time you ever try to
 wash and then dry a down sleeping bag or jacket, you will realize the
 world of hurt you will be in if you get one wet.  They take longer
 than a week to dry out.



  If the horseshoe continues to perplex look at a Bruce Gordon rack.  No
  horseshoe there.

 Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-26 Thread Sean Whelan

Wheels are definitely a good place to start. Even Mavic Aksium Wheelsets which 
run around $250 can give you a lighter / slightly aero wheel.

Put some 25mm lightweight tires on them, and only use them on your fast rides.

You will likely feel the difference, especially if there is a lot of climbing 
involved.

Can you post the full spec of your bike? Hard to suggest when you have no other 
info...

Cheers,
Sean

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From: MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:40 PM

Well that's a pretty heavy rim  tire combo.  Remember it is the
wheels you have to accelerate, so weight taken off there will yield
the most benefit.  I'd consider a second set of wheels.  If you can
afford it White Hubs, Open Pro rims, 32 spokes with some Michelin 25mm
tires.  That will help you accelerate when you need to stay with the
group, and will be zippier going uphill, which is where you are
probably loosing the pace.  Ride with your current wheels every day
and switch to the lighter ones for longer events.

Michael

On Apr 26, 12:21 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs.

 Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of
 this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what
 convinced me I was through with the Roubaix.

 D.G.

 On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:





  Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues.  Either go
  with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s.  Those are the nicest
  rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using.  I found them too
  delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the
  events you mentioned.

  If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm
  from where they are as well.  Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a
  little bit less drag.

  You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim?  I'd recommend 28 hole
  Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out.  Those plus the
  Cypres... you'd be set (maybe).

  Have fun!

  On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
   Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
   bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

   I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
   slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
   I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
   fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
   my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
   than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
   want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
   difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
   take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

   So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
   I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
   can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
   I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

   D.G.

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

Full spec:  Nitto stem, Nitto post, Shimano Bar ends, Sugino 46-36-24,
11 X 32, Deore XT rear, Nitto Mini Front, Nitto Big Rack rear (may
replace with a top rack for summer commuting), Shimano cantis.

Pic here:  http://gallery.me.com/dbgoff#18

D.G.

On Apr 26, 10:43 am, Sean Whelan strummer_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Wheels are definitely a good place to start. Even Mavic Aksium Wheelsets 
 which run around $250 can give you a lighter / slightly aero wheel.

 Put some 25mm lightweight tires on them, and only use them on your fast rides.

 You will likely feel the difference, especially if there is a lot of climbing 
 involved.

 Can you post the full spec of your bike? Hard to suggest when you have no 
 other info...

 Cheers,
 Sean

 --- On Mon, 4/26/10, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam
 To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:40 PM

 Well that's a pretty heavy rim  tire combo.  Remember it is the
 wheels you have to accelerate, so weight taken off there will yield
 the most benefit.  I'd consider a second set of wheels.  If you can
 afford it White Hubs, Open Pro rims, 32 spokes with some Michelin 25mm
 tires.  That will help you accelerate when you need to stay with the
 group, and will be zippier going uphill, which is where you are
 probably loosing the pace.  Ride with your current wheels every day
 and switch to the lighter ones for longer events.

 Michael

 On Apr 26, 12:21 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:





  Rims are Mavic A719s on Deore XT hubs.

  Don't know that I'd lower the bars as the comfort over distance of
  this setup is incomparable to anything else I've ridden and is what
  convinced me I was through with the Roubaix.

  D.G.

  On Apr 26, 10:17 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

   Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues.  Either 
   go
   with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s.  Those are the nicest
   rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using.  I found them too
   delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the
   events you mentioned.

   If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm
   from where they are as well.  Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a
   little bit less drag.

   You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim?  I'd recommend 28 hole
   Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out.  Those plus the
   Cypres... you'd be set (maybe).

   Have fun!

   On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

D.G.

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

 I have an old tube radio that i'm planning to rebuild (recap) when i get a 
 spare
 weekend.

Love audio tubes.  What make?  This will be fun.

On Apr 26, 11:19 am, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote:
  You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has
  owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies?

  I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long
  class in the Catskills and built my own bamboo fly rod. I'm hooked now
  (hell yes, pun intended!)

 I've always been a DIY tinkerer, and this winter added sewing to my
 many hobbies. I've also built some of my own furniture, my own LED
 lights, and a bike trailer from cut-up frames (nearly done). I have an
 old tube radio that i'm planning to rebuild (recap) when i get a spare
 weekend.

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[RBW] horseshoe rackthing's function

2010-04-26 Thread Grant Petersen

It prevents a load from the center wire of a canti- or centerpull brake,
mainly. Also helps locate the load on the platform, so it doesn't scoot
into  or above the brake itself, so you can work on the brake on a loaded
bike. Often used as a lash-point, as someone pointed out. You can cut it off
(would prolly regret it at some point) an soft-cap the jutting-up stumps
with something.

A sleeping pad is soft and can fold at the 'shoe, and shoot upward...or ukin
hang it out rearward, since it's too light to cause a problem if it sticks
way out. Just thoughts and a fact or two.
I think all rear racks have some sort of abutment there.

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Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-26 Thread James Dinneen

I would think that over 100 miles, the comfort of a Riv would make up for fewer 
ounces on the bike. However, I am thinking that Rodeo would be a good option 
for your future  .    Jim D.   Massachusetts

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:17 PM

Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues.  Either go 
with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s.  Those are the nicest rolling 
tires I even ever had the privilege of using.  I found them too delicate for 
day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the events you 
mentioned.

If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm from 
where they are as well.  Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a little 
bit less drag.  

You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim?  I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity 
Aeroheads if you really want to go all out.  Those plus the Cypres... you'd be 
set (maybe).

Have fun!

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:

Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

D.G.

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[RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-26 Thread Joe Bernard

In my curved-bar days, I preferred both. Silver friction front, DA
index rear. I tried Silver friction on the rear for a while.
Definitely smooth and silent, but I was never able to warm up to
friction on the rear, especially when shifting over two or three cogs
at a time. I hate missed shifts, and I don't have the patience to
manually perfect a perfect shift that can easily be done with accurate
clicks. If that makes me lazy, well..my average speed would back that
up.

On Apr 25, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Silvers shift better than any friction shifter, bar end, trigger or down
 tube, that I have ever used, including Retrofriction downtubers. My only
 complaint with the long levers is that they end up exactly at the level of
 my top-tube-mounted pump, but that's not their fault.

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[RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

2010-04-26 Thread Calm54

The dura ace shifters is just what I am use to, the SRAM levers are
good for smaller hands.   Otherwise, a typical RIV build...  I
wondered if I would notice a difference over my Surly LHT, there is a
noticeable difference in ride.

On Apr 25, 11:29 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Yahooo!  A new bike!  I love the fenders and basket.  Well done!

 Ah hah!  I spy dura-ace bar end shifters instead of silvers...and SRAM
 brake levers.  Can you explain?

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread kps

i'm a female who enjoys (in no particular order):

bicycles and bicycling (i have five bicyles, with two more to arrive
soon, which folks say
is more than i'm supposed to have, being female. I love tinkering
with them, too.  they are great tools and works of art, imo.)  all my
bikes are steel, yes.

i should receive my NEW Roadeo frame (RCP, which is also something a
female isn't 'supposed' to want g) this week.
i'm excited about this!

photography (old film Leicas, especially)

guitars (both for fun and because it's my business).  i am especially
fond of old Gibson L-00s.

songwriting

reading

fountain pens (i use and old sheaffer and a newer OMAS) and good bags
(i'm a bag lady, i guess), both new and vintage.

oh, and cats.  i have three rescues.  i would give up anything i own
to keep/save my animals.

-k




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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Seth Vidal

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:09 PM, kps kshe...@gmail.com wrote:
 i'm a female who enjoys (in no particular order):

 bicycles and bicycling (i have five bicyles, with two more to arrive
 soon, which folks say
 is more than i'm supposed to have, being female. I love tinkering
 with them, too.  they are great tools and works of art, imo.)  all my
 bikes are steel, yes.

 i should receive my NEW Roadeo frame (RCP, which is also something a
 female isn't 'supposed' to want g) this week.
 i'm excited about this!

I don't recall Grant's 'How many bikes do you need' being
gender-specific so I'd say you're getting close to the right number of
bikes. :)

-sv

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RE: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

Here's the inspiration for that color, for what it's worth...at least, the 
inspiration for me to ask Grant to come up with the color when I ordered my 
Saluki from the first batch...my good friend Grub!
 
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4376997200_226832d7ab.jpg  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/sizes/m/  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/ 
 
Steve

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That butterscotch Saluki is my favorite color!


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How do you like the SRAM levers?


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 My Saluki arrive from Rivendell.  I bought one of the frame
 specials.

 Pics at :   http://gallery.me.com/calmhappy1954#100129

 Boy it is a comfortable ride...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

cat-dog collabo!

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Frederick, Steve
frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote:

Here's the inspiration for that color, for what it's worth...at least,
the inspiration for me to ask Grant to come up with the color when I ordered
my Saluki from the first batch...my good friend Grub!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4376997200_226832d7ab.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/sizes/m/http://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/http://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/

Steve

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That butterscotch Saluki is my favorite color!

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How do you like the SRAM levers?

On Apr 26, 1:10 am, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote:
My Saluki arrive from Rivendell. I bought one of the frame
specials.

Pics at : http://gallery.me.com/calmhappy1954#100129

Boy it is a comfortable ride...

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread RoadieRyan

S24O's

Tinkering on old steel 10 speeds

On Apr 26, 10:12 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:09 PM, kps kshe...@gmail.com wrote:
  i'm a female who enjoys (in no particular order):

  bicycles and bicycling (i have five bicyles, with two more to arrive
  soon, which folks say
  is more than i'm supposed to have, being female. I love tinkering
  with them, too.  they are great tools and works of art, imo.)  all my
  bikes are steel, yes.

  i should receive my NEW Roadeo frame (RCP, which is also something a
  female isn't 'supposed' to want g) this week.
  i'm excited about this!

 I don't recall Grant's 'How many bikes do you need' being
 gender-specific so I'd say you're getting close to the right number of
 bikes. :)

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread William

I make stuff by hand and have a store on etsy.

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 You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has
 owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies?

 I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long
 class in the Catskills and built my own bamboo fly rod. I'm hooked now
 (hell yes, pun intended!)

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[RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

2010-04-26 Thread William

Congrats!  That's my favorite Saluki color

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 Pics at :  http://gallery.me.com/calmhappy1954#100129

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-26 Thread William

I'm building a lighter wheelset for my Sam (32 hole, narrower rims) to
use interchangeably with the 36 hole bombers I have now.  In addition
to that I'm planning to pull the racks and fenders for fair weather
events.

On Apr 26, 9:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
 bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

 I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
 slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
 I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
 fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
 my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
 than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
 want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
 difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
 take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

 So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
 I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
 can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
 I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Bill Gibson

Busted. All of the above, except for guitar, and the fact that fly
fishing in the lower Sonoran desert scrub doesn't make much sense
right now. I make my flies, too, when I live near water. Someday,
soon, again. Time is a problem lately. Add Photography! I've ridden my
bikes to fish and photograph and eat, etc. I used to have a saddlebag
spray-painted white to reflect sun, to keep things from cooking too
soon. Just back from an S24O with 9 middle-schoolers from South
Phoenix, which is very urban in a suburban way.

Now, these aren't hobbies, folks, theses are just ways to be alive.
Some of many. I also like to learn the names and ways of flowers,
rocks, and the other critters I amuse as I blunder through. Visual and
Mental Astronomy. I am reviving an old interest in what some call
traditional crafts/bushcraft/wildcraft/woodscraft. Making cordage.
Basket weaving. Wood carving. Whittling. Scout stuff?

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:18 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 I make stuff by hand and have a store on etsy.

 On Apr 26, 7:41 am, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote:
 You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has
 owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies?

 I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long
 class in the Catskills and built my own bamboo fly rod. I'm hooked now
 (hell yes, pun intended!)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Bill Connell

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:51 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
 I have an old tube radio that i'm planning to rebuild (recap) when i get a 
 spare
 weekend.

 Love audio tubes.  What make?  This will be fun.


It's a GE, probably early 60s, it was my grandfather's garage radio
for as long as i could remember, rescued from my mom's basement. It's
in working order, but the capacitors are obviously shot. I have the
schematics and a radio shop nearby, i just need to get started.
Looking forward to being able to use it again.

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Re: [RBW] Tom Milton of Selle Anatomica

2010-04-26 Thread CycloFiend

The California Triple Crown  blog has  created an entry for folks to share
stories and reminisces -
http://caltriplecrown.blogspot.com/2010/04/tom-milton-you-will-be-missed.htm

or

http://tinyurl.com/tom-milton

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread soqer...@gmail.com

Shoot things with feathers
Eat them
Use feathers to tie flies
Catch trout
Eat them

On Apr 26, 7:41 am, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote:
 You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has
 owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies?

 I've always been a fly-fisherman. Last summer, I took a week-long
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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

If the Roadeo had rack mounts I'd consider it, at least for a rear
with a trunk bag.  I guess I could put a big Arkel handlebar bag on it
or something.  As is, waiting to see if the Amos comes to be as the
Roadeo is some serious cheddar for me right now.

D.G.

On Apr 26, 10:57 am, James Dinneen jfxdinn...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I would think that over 100 miles, the comfort of a Riv would make up for 
 fewer ounces on the bike. However, I am thinking that Rodeo would be a good 
 option for your future  .    Jim D.   Massachusetts

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 From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:17 PM

 Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues.  Either go 
 with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s.  Those are the nicest 
 rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using.  I found them too 
 delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the 
 events you mentioned.

 If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm 
 from where they are as well.  Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a 
 little bit less drag. 

 You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim?  I'd recommend 28 hole Velocity 
 Aeroheads if you really want to go all out.  Those plus the Cypres... you'd 
 be set (maybe).

 Have fun!

 On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:

 Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
 bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

 I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
 slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
 I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
 fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
 my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
 than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
 want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
 difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
 take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

 So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
 I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
 can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
 I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

 D.G.

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

 Looking forward to being able to use it again.

I am sure it will sound great.

On Apr 26, 12:34 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:51 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote:
  I have an old tube radio that i'm planning to rebuild (recap) when i get a 
  spare
  weekend.

  Love audio tubes.  What make?  This will be fun.

 It's a GE, probably early 60s, it was my grandfather's garage radio
 for as long as i could remember, rescued from my mom's basement. It's
 in working order, but the capacitors are obviously shot. I have the
 schematics and a radio shop nearby, i just need to get started.
 Looking forward to being able to use it again.

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[RBW] Re: horseshoe rackthing's function

Thanks Grant.  Pretty much what I thought.

On Apr 26, 11:54 am, Grant Petersen gr...@rivbike.com wrote:
 It prevents a load from the center wire of a canti- or centerpull brake,
 mainly. Also helps locate the load on the platform, so it doesn't scoot
 into  or above the brake itself, so you can work on the brake on a loaded
 bike. Often used as a lash-point, as someone pointed out. You can cut it off
 (would prolly regret it at some point) an soft-cap the jutting-up stumps
 with something.

 A sleeping pad is soft and can fold at the 'shoe, and shoot upward...or ukin
 hang it out rearward, since it's too light to cause a problem if it sticks
 way out. Just thoughts and a fact or two.
 I think all rear racks have some sort of abutment there.

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-26 Thread RoadieRyan

Darin

I will preface this by saying I am fortunate to have two bikes; a
Steel bike with 36h Rims/35c Pasela's racks front and rear etc for
comfort riding and a Cannondale R800 stripped down for faster rides
but before I picked up my steel ride I tired to make my R800 an all
rounder with mixed results.

If I was in your shoes with only the one bike for the near term and
wanting to go faster, I would think about the following for the event
rides:

-ditch the rear rack
-swap the Sugino for compact 50/34 double, maybe a square taper FSA
Vero or even a Campy Veloce.  That would drop weight and give you some
taller gears
-Go with the Mavic Aksium's as the racy wheelset.  I have them on my
go fast bike and even for a Clydesdale like me they work fine and feel
zippy paired with the 700/25c tire of your choice (I use Continental
gatorskins)
- Save for the Roadeo or AMOS/San Marcos

My steel bike, a Handsome Devil, is set up very much like your Sam and
I am easily a couple miles and hour faster on the go fast bike over
the same course.  Although to be honest when I am riding the Handsome
Devil its not about going fast ;-)

Good luck

Ryan

On Apr 26, 10:53 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 If the Roadeo had rack mounts I'd consider it, at least for a rear
 with a trunk bag.  I guess I could put a big Arkel handlebar bag on it
 or something.  As is, waiting to see if the Amos comes to be as the
 Roadeo is some serious cheddar for me right now.

 D.G.

 On Apr 26, 10:57 am, James Dinneen jfxdinn...@yahoo.com wrote:



  I would think that over 100 miles, the comfort of a Riv would make up for 
  fewer ounces on the bike. However, I am thinking that Rodeo would be a good 
  option for your future  .    Jim D.   Massachusetts

  --- On Mon, 4/26/10, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

  From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:17 PM

  Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues.  Either go 
  with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s.  Those are the nicest 
  rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using.  I found them too 
  delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the 
  events you mentioned.

  If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm 
  from where they are as well.  Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a 
  little bit less drag. 

  You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim?  I'd recommend 28 hole 
  Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out.  Those plus the 
  Cypres... you'd be set (maybe).

  Have fun!

  On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:

  Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
  bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

  I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
  slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
  I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
  fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
  my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
  than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
  want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
  difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
  take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

  So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
  I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
  can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
  I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

  D.G.

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-26 Thread RoadieRyan

Forgot to add Nice looking SAM!  looks like a great all around ride

On Apr 26, 10:53 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 If the Roadeo had rack mounts I'd consider it, at least for a rear
 with a trunk bag.  I guess I could put a big Arkel handlebar bag on it
 or something.  As is, waiting to see if the Amos comes to be as the
 Roadeo is some serious cheddar for me right now.

 D.G.

 On Apr 26, 10:57 am, James Dinneen jfxdinn...@yahoo.com wrote:



  I would think that over 100 miles, the comfort of a Riv would make up for 
  fewer ounces on the bike. However, I am thinking that Rodeo would be a good 
  option for your future  .    Jim D.   Massachusetts

  --- On Mon, 4/26/10, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

  From: cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 12:17 PM

  Don't know if it'll give you ~2mph , but I'd ditch the JB Blues.  Either go 
  with Greens, or better yet Grand Bois Cypres 31s.  Those are the nicest 
  rolling tires I even ever had the privilege of using.  I found them too 
  delicate for day in and day out use, but I think they would shine on the 
  events you mentioned.

  If it won't compromise comfort over distance, maybe lower your bars 1-2 cm 
  from where they are as well.  Speaking of bars, maybe go narrower to get a 
  little bit less drag. 

  You mentioned 36 spoke, but what kind of rim?  I'd recommend 28 hole 
  Velocity Aeroheads if you really want to go all out.  Those plus the 
  Cypres... you'd be set (maybe).

  Have fun!

  On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:

  Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
  bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

  I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
  slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
  I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
  fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
  my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
  than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
  want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
  difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
  take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

  So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
  I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
  can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
  I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

  D.G.

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Re: [RBW] Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-26 Thread CycloFiend

on 4/26/10 9:10 AM, Darin G. at dbg...@mac.com wrote:

 Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
 bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.
 
 I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
 slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
 I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
 fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
 my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
 than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
 want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
 difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
 take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.
 
 So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
 I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
 can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
 I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

Pedaling faster has always sped me up... ;^)

Actually, that may be a place to look.  If you came back from a typical
road gearing setup, it may just be that you are in lower gears than what
your body remembers. The muscle memory in your legs, which may have been
cultivated by a few years at X cadence in gear Y - is now all skewed.
Your legs want to chunk along at what they are used to, but that won't move
you along at the same speed.

I've noticed that even though both bikes feel good, it sometimes takes a
ride or two before I feel quick on the Hilsen or Quickbeam.  There's just
this moment of yeah! when the micro adjustment of position and cadence
makes everything feel locked in.  You might play around a little with saddle
setback, bar height.  I'd be careful, not do it before a big, big ride and
take copious notes so you can get back where you started.

One of the things I'll try periodically for a day is to stay in one or two
gears lower (larger sprocket on the cog) than what feels right.  I then
try to keep the same speed at the resulting higher cadence.  That tends to
reawaken the low pressure, high cadence approach for me. I call these my
Spinny rides. 

What kind of terrain are you riding?  Where are you being dropped?

And, your sure your riding buddies just didn't dial down your rear brake so
it's rubbing on the rim?

If you are going to swap gear, I'd try tires before wheels.

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

2010-04-26 Thread cm

I would take off the rack for faster rides/ events and maybe get some
narrower tires. Clipless pedals? Then I would smell the flowers. When
you do get a new more specialized bike you will be that much better.

Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Phil Brown

Photography with a Leica.
Phil Brown

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RE: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

Good point!  I don't think abandoned kitten found on a country road, would 
fit on a headbadge anyway...

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

cat-dog collabo!

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Frederick, Steve  frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu 
wrote:

Here's the inspiration for that color, for what it's worth...at least, the 
inspiration for me to ask Grant to come up with the color when I ordered my 
Saluki from the first batch...my good friend Grub!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4376997200_226832d7ab.jpg  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/sizes/m/  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32586...@n03/4376997200/ 

Steve

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

That butterscotch Saluki is my favorite color!

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Justin August  justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:

How do you like the SRAM levers?

On Apr 26, 1:10 am, Calm54  mukum...@gmail.com wrote:
 My Saluki arrive from Rivendell.  I bought one of the frame
 specials.

 Pics at :   http://gallery.me.com/calmhappy1954#100129

 Boy it is a comfortable ride...

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Re: [RBW] Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Kenneth Stagg

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Bridgestone alancr...@mac.com wrote:
 You're an all-steel, tweed, canvas and shellac kind of guy/girl. Has
 owning a Rivendell opened you up to new hobbies?

Well, I started this before I'd heard of Rivendell but I see
woodworking with antique, hand-powered tools to be complimentary.
Other than chopping mortices it's generally peaceful work with an
unrushed pace.

-Ken

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Re: [RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

2010-04-26 Thread carnerdavid

You are in good company.  Sheldon Brown said more than once that he preferred 
indexed shifting for the rear derailer.
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Subject: [RBW] Re: silvers v. dura-ace

In my curved-bar days, I preferred both. Silver friction front, DA
index rear. I tried Silver friction on the rear for a while.
Definitely smooth and silent, but I was never able to warm up to
friction on the rear, especially when shifting over two or three cogs
at a time. I hate missed shifts, and I don't have the patience to
manually perfect a perfect shift that can easily be done with accurate
clicks. If that makes me lazy, well..my average speed would back that
up.

On Apr 25, 7:22 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Silvers shift better than any friction shifter, bar end, trigger or down
 tube, that I have ever used, including Retrofriction downtubers. My only
 complaint with the long levers is that they end up exactly at the level of
 my top-tube-mounted pump, but that's not their fault.

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[RBW] Re: Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread jinxed

I tinker with old watches ad am getting into recycling old leather
into watch straps.

Shave with a 1950's DE Gillette Superspeed.

Sewing, although not as much since I had to sell my Bernina 950 due to
space issues.

Woodblock printing.

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[RBW] Hobbies that compliment your Rivendell lifestyle

2010-04-26 Thread Dustin Sharp

Apparently off-topic posting to bike lists is chief among the hobbies that
complement Riv lifestyles.

;)

Dustin Sharp
San Diego, Calif.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

Maybe in Latin?

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Frederick, Steve
frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote:

Good point! I don't think abandoned kitten found on a country road,
would fit on a headbadge anyway...

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*Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Got my Saluki!

cat-dog collabo!

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frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote:

Steve

That butterscotch Saluki is my favorite color!

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.comwrote:

How do you like the SRAM levers?

On Apr 26, 1:10 am, Calm54 mukum...@gmail.com wrote:
My Saluki arrive from Rivendell. I bought one of the frame
specials.

Pics at : http://gallery.me.com/calmhappy1954#100129

Boy it is a comfortable ride...

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David
Redlands, CA

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