date:20100504

The bike looks perfect and the ride epic. I'm really leaning towards
putting mustache bars on the Hilsen this summer. I think I need to try
them out. What did you end up doing about the stem?

I was looking through your flickr page and it appears you have a
couple of Rivs, correct? Do you still have the Bombadil?

Keep the photos coming.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.

2010-05-04 Thread Seth Vidal

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 The bike looks perfect and the ride epic. I'm really leaning towards
 putting mustache bars on the Hilsen this summer. I think I need to try
 them out. What did you end up doing about the stem?

 I was looking through your flickr page and it appears you have a
 couple of Rivs, correct? Do you still have the Bombadil?

 Keep the photos coming.


I'd just like to put a plug in for cable splitters. It can make
pulling the bars/levers and trying something different much easier and
pleasant.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at
work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I
guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed
around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light
touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt
excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I
guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see
pictures of both bikes when they're available.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Grip King/ MKS Lambda pedal spikes

2010-05-04 Thread doc

I had a pair of never used Adidas track shoes with an assortment of
both indoor and outdoor spikes in the basement, along with a spike
wrench. (I really need to clean out my basement)  Drilled a hole
slightly smaller than the threads, dabbed on a drop of machine oil,
and then used the spike wrench to twist them in.  I only used two on
each toe area, and they work great.

On May 3, 10:23 pm, carnerda...@bellsouth.net
carnerda...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 I used a 7/64 bit (half way between the 3/32 and 1/8 recommended by
 RBW.  The spikes that stayed in are tight. I have checked and think I
 would have a difficult time removing them to re-thread.  I really think
 my mistake was not getting them started straight.  Two that fell out
 were in the extreme outboard holes where I had a previous pedal strike
 on pavement that had deformed the lip and probably pretty much
 guaranteed that I would start them crooked.
 I am not suggesting that secure installation requires tapping. Just
 another option.  A little more complicated, but not that expensive if
 you leave out the new vice grip.
 David

 amoll68 wrote:
  David,

  I installed spikes in my GKs, but didn't need to tap them - can't
  recall the bit size I used. I do know that the first hole was slightly
  too big (maybe what happened to you?) I went down a size, and they all
  went in fine, and I haven't lost a spike in over a year. IIRC, I used
  a small metric socket to drive them home.

  They work great - esp. in the wet.

  Alex

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[RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.



On May 4, 7:24 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 The bike looks perfect and the ride epic. I'm really leaning towards
 putting mustache bars on the Hilsen this summer. I think I need to try
 them out. What did you end up doing about the stem?

I ended up using an 80 dirt drop stem. It pulled the bar back enough,
but was pretty high. I would like it a couple cm lower, but it was as
far down as it would go. I need to order up a 60 deluxe when funds
allow.

 I was looking through your flickr page and it appears you have a
 couple of Rivs, correct? Do you still have the Bombadil?

 Keep the photos coming.

 --mike

I still have my Bleriot, although I robbed the cranks, BB, and
derailleurs to build the AHH. I sold the Bombadil to get the AHH. Not
sure what's going to happen with the Bleriot...technically it's too
small at 55, but I have really enjoyed that bike for the last 2 years.
It's comfortable in flux for the moment.

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[RBW] Re: Grip King/ MKS Lambda pedal spikes

2010-05-04 Thread jose

I tried it without a drill. Just screwed them in gently and straight
(enough), and once they took hold, then I applied stronger pressure on
the socket wrench.

About a 6 months and 1500 commute miles later, I've still got 7 of the
8 studs in there.  The missing one appears to have been knocked off by
a pedal strike, judging by the deep scrapes on the outer edge where
the stud is missing.

On May 4, 8:50 am, doc gspi...@aol.com wrote:
 I had a pair of never used Adidas track shoes with an assortment of
 both indoor and outdoor spikes in the basement, along with a spike
 wrench. (I really need to clean out my basement)  Drilled a hole
 slightly smaller than the threads, dabbed on a drop of machine oil,
 and then used the spike wrench to twist them in.  I only used two on
 each toe area, and they work great.

 On May 3, 10:23 pm, carnerda...@bellsouth.net





 carnerda...@bellsouth.net wrote:
  I used a 7/64 bit (half way between the 3/32 and 1/8 recommended by
  RBW.  The spikes that stayed in are tight. I have checked and think I
  would have a difficult time removing them to re-thread.  I really think
  my mistake was not getting them started straight.  Two that fell out
  were in the extreme outboard holes where I had a previous pedal strike
  on pavement that had deformed the lip and probably pretty much
  guaranteed that I would start them crooked.
  I am not suggesting that secure installation requires tapping. Just
  another option.  A little more complicated, but not that expensive if
  you leave out the new vice grip.
  David

  amoll68 wrote:
   David,

   I installed spikes in my GKs, but didn't need to tap them - can't
   recall the bit size I used. I do know that the first hole was slightly
   too big (maybe what happened to you?) I went down a size, and they all
   went in fine, and I haven't lost a spike in over a year. IIRC, I used
   a small metric socket to drive them home.

   They work great - esp. in the wet.

   Alex

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[RBW] Re: Grip King/ MKS Lambda pedal spikes

2010-05-04 Thread Z I

For those who like metric, I used a 3.5mm drill bit to drill out the
holes in my pedals. I didn't have any spikes, but I had a bag of 4mm
stainless steel set screws. Didn't bother tapping the holes. I just
screwed the set scews in with an allen wrench, backing them out a bit
when it felt like they were binding, before screwing them the rest of
the way in. Worked great! I agree with David, getting them started
straight is key.

  - Zach

On May 3, 5:23 pm, carnerda...@bellsouth.net
carnerda...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 I used a 7/64 bit (half way between the 3/32 and 1/8 recommended by
 RBW.  The spikes that stayed in are tight. I have checked and think I
 would have a difficult time removing them to re-thread.  I really think
 my mistake was not getting them started straight.  Two that fell out
 were in the extreme outboard holes where I had a previous pedal strike
 on pavement that had deformed the lip and probably pretty much
 guaranteed that I would start them crooked.
 I am not suggesting that secure installation requires tapping. Just
 another option.  A little more complicated, but not that expensive if
 you leave out the new vice grip.
 David

 amoll68 wrote:
  David,

  I installed spikes in my GKs, but didn't need to tap them - can't
  recall the bit size I used. I do know that the first hole was slightly
  too big (maybe what happened to you?) I went down a size, and they all
  went in fine, and I haven't lost a spike in over a year. IIRC, I used
  a small metric socket to drive them home.

  They work great - esp. in the wet.

  Alex

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[RBW] Re: a hh poem

2010-05-04 Thread RoadieRyan

Chapeau!  thanks that was a great read

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 Forgive the long-ish post to follow. I wrote this one years ago (or so
 it seems) when the stand-alone AHH website was up and there was a $20
 credit in the offing. There were a number of good poems crafted for
 the site. Not sure what happened to the site or the other poems. I'm
 no poet, but was inspired by a beautiful bike and the company behind
 it. FWIW, I give you:

 The Resurrection of A. Homer Hilsen

 There it was, there it sat.
 Bars akimbo, tires flat.

 Cluster missing, saddle worn.
 Dangling hemp-wrap. Dusty. Torn.

 Rubbed the down-tube, read the name:
 A. Homer Hilsen – of Rivendell fame.

 I knelt to worship and wondered why.
 Lost, or stolen? Left to die?

 Who would leave it? Could I? Could You?
 I asked around, nobody knew.

 I felt linked like a chain to its ultimate fate,
 the local bike shop was open ‘till eight…

 They told me the story of a man dressed in wool.
 He lived in the country, his glass always half full.

 The bike was his passion, his comfort, his dream.
 Fittings for Mark’s rack, lugs filled with cream.

 But no one had seen him, at least for a while.
 The man had moved on. My lips cracked a small smile.

 I asked the police what the policy was.
 They showed me the poster: Auction by Fuzz.

 I showed up quite early, on the day of the deal.
 Misty and quiet, the sky painted like steel.

 I noticed the Hilsen being eyed by a punk,
 mixed in with the lawnmowers, car parts and junk.

 He grabbed a brake lever and gave it a tug,
 Spat on a pedal, then moved on with a shrug.

 The auction moved slowly, through toilets and tools,
 Something for everyone: the dealers, the fools.

 And then it was up there, wheeled up by a cop.
 The pads squealed on the front rim. It came to a stop.

 The bidding began with the auctioneers’ pitch:
 “A handsome blue bike for the not quite so rich!”

 It was me and the punk, and a man I could see
 who was standing alone near a lone Redwood tree.

 It had to be mine. I just had to win.
 To let Homer go home without me was a sin!

 The punk shrugged again when three figures were spoke.
 Fished through his pockets, confirmed he was broke.

 I looked near the tree, heard the faint ping of a bell,
 The auctioneer paused, raised the gavel. It fell.

 “It’s mine! Can’t believe it!” My grin ear to ear.
 I cashed out in seconds, lost a fight with a tear.

 I wheeled Hilsen homeward and vowed to be kinder.
 Put him up on my work stand and loosened the binder.

 I thought about fate, how I won, how I got’m.
 Flipped the frame in the stand to examine the bottom.

 As soon as the upside was more downside than most,
 A small rolled up paper fluttered out from the post:

 “I’m happy you own me, the pleasure’s all mine.
 That punk would’ve stripped me and sold me for wine.”

 “Now we can share them, those days on the road.
 Losing all count of the friendships we sowed.”

 “You see, I’m attracted to people like you;
 People who dream of a journey or two.”

                                                    A.H.H.

 I’m sure when I’m older, my legs tired of turning,
 I’ll think of this day; of the joy and the yearning.

 I’ll pass it along to a like-minded good soul;
 dusty and weathered, but ready to roll.

 The bike will live on, with new stories to tell;
 new owner, new road, and the faint ping of a bell.

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[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

2010-05-04 Thread eflayer

Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together
on this.  Price wise and features wise right there in between off the
rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords.  I just took delivery of a Gunnar
Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork.  Kinda like a Hillborne but
no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight
shorter wheel base.  Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the
contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company
stable during tough economic times.  Good luck in that partnership.

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 Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at
 work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I
 guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed
 around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light
 touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt
 excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I
 guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see
 pictures of both bikes when they're available.

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[RBW] Contagion

2010-05-04 Thread jose

Anyone else have the riv look spreading to their non-riv bikes?  Its
hard to just leave these nice extra riv parts sitting around the
garage.

This one is a 1995 Kona Hot (steel, of course) with albatross bars and
a b67.  Fun to bomb around on:

http://enthoosed.com/bicycling/vehicle/view.v?id=267385

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[RBW] Re: Schwin Le Tour Mixte Project Finished! kinda.

2010-05-04 Thread RoadieRyan

What Joel said.  You want her to love it and more importantly ride it
- go with the kitty.  Hmmm wonder if you can find a Kitty key chain
that could be fashioned into a head tube badge?

Great job on the build looks sharp

On May 4, 6:19 am, JimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote:
 Pretty bike, was it pink to start with or did you paint it?

 -JimD

 On May 3, 2010, at 9:14 PM, manueljohnacosta wrote:



  A couple of weeks ago I had a issue with the brakes on this pink
  mixte. Going from 27 tires to 650b tires made the brake pads a hair
  short of reaching the rim. Thanks to the wisdom and no how of the
  group I was able to file it down and make the brake pads fit. Also
  thanks to Cycles of Change I was able to find the long straddle cable
  for the rear brake. Presented the bike to my girlfriend and she likes
  it. She wants to put a hello kitty sticker on it, I want to put
  Resurrectio Decals. But for now the bike is semi done. Just needs a
  front basket and maybe a rear rack. Thanks for everyone for the great
  advice!

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623789349209/

  -Manny Pink is good Acosta

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RE: [RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.

2010-05-04 Thread Frederick, Steve

jinxed wrote, in part:

I ended up using an 80 dirt drop stem. It pulled the bar back enough,
but was pretty high. I would like it a couple cm lower, but it was as
far down as it would go. I need to order up a 60 deluxe when funds
allow.


FWIW, the Dirt Drop is also available in a short quill version.  Ben's carries 
it:

http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=1488

Might let you lower your bars a bit but keep that winning Dirt Drop aesthetic!

I have one on my XO-1 and it's good--you can see it here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/3764071280/

Steve

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[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

When will we start to see double seat tubes?

On May 4, 8:01 am, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote:
 There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished.

 You heard it here first.

 On 5/4/10 7:47 AM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:





  Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together
  on this.  Price wise and features wise right there in between off the
  rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords.  I just took delivery of a Gunnar
  Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork.  Kinda like a Hillborne but
  no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight
  shorter wheel base.  Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the
  contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company
  stable during tough economic times.  Good luck in that partnership.

  On May 4, 6:34 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
  Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at
  work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I
  guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed
  around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light
  touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt
  excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I
  guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see
  pictures of both bikes when they're available.

  --mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

2010-05-04 Thread andrew hill

how about the SimpleOne?  
would it then need to be renamed the SimpleTwo?  :)

best,
andrew

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 You heard it here first.
 

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[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

2010-05-04 Thread Darin G.

I don't get the two top tube thing.  I ride the 56 Sam and putting two
top tubes on it seems like it would take an elegant design and turn it
into a five-legged chair.  I understand the strength argument, just
can't see why it would be necessary.  This bike's already pretty
stout. I also wonder why Rivendell would dilute the successful brand
associated with the Sam with essentially three different bikes--the
original canti version, the side-pull version, and a mutant
Samapillar.

D.G.

On May 4, 9:01 am, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote:
 There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished.

 You heard it here first.

 On 5/4/10 7:47 AM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:





  Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together
  on this.  Price wise and features wise right there in between off the
  rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords.  I just took delivery of a Gunnar
  Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork.  Kinda like a Hillborne but
  no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight
  shorter wheel base.  Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the
  contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company
  stable during tough economic times.  Good luck in that partnership.

  On May 4, 6:34 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
  Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at
  work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I
  guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed
  around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light
  touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt
  excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I
  guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see
  pictures of both bikes when they're available.

  --mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

2010-05-04 Thread andrew hill

i dunno.. i bought an orange cantisam recently.. if i'd had the option of 
another top tube for $250 more i'd have taken it.. of course, i probably 
wouldn't have subsequently picked up a used Bombadil frame..  seems to me that 
there is a risk of blurring the lines between a Sam and a Bomba, but maybe 
that's just me...   actually, i probably would have bought both anyways - the 
Bomba is a size down, so better suited for mountain biking.. the Sam is a great 
fit for road/touring, but a wee bit too big for me for off-road.

best,
andrew

On May 4, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Darin G. wrote:

 I don't get the two top tube thing.  I ride the 56 Sam and putting two
 top tubes on it seems like it would take an elegant design and turn it
 into a five-legged chair.  I understand the strength argument, just
 can't see why it would be necessary.  This bike's already pretty
 stout. I also wonder why Rivendell would dilute the successful brand
 associated with the Sam with essentially three different bikes--the
 original canti version, the side-pull version, and a mutant
 Samapillar.
 
 D.G.
 
 On May 4, 9:01 am, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote:
 There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished.
 
 You heard it here first.
 
 On 5/4/10 7:47 AM, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together
 on this.  Price wise and features wise right there in between off the
 rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords.  I just took delivery of a Gunnar
 Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork.  Kinda like a Hillborne but
 no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight
 shorter wheel base.  Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the
 contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company
 stable during tough economic times.  Good luck in that partnership.
 
 On May 4, 6:34 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at
 work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I
 guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed
 around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light
 touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt
 excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I
 guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see
 pictures of both bikes when they're available.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

2010-05-04 Thread Bill Connell

For real bomber-strength frames, what we need is double head tubes.
And maybe 4-legged forks.


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 When will we start to see double seat tubes?

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 There will be a double top tube on the Roadeo before Grant is finished.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Schwin Le Tour Mixte Project Finished! kinda.

2010-05-04 Thread rswatson





On May 4, 2010, at 8:49 AM, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote:

 What Joel said.  You want her to love it and more importantly ride it
 - go with the kitty.  Hmmm wonder if you can find a Kitty key chain
 that could be fashioned into a head tube badge?
 

I bet you could find an actual Hello Kitty head badge! 
If you can think of it, there's probably been a Hello Kitty version made at 
some point.
The HK Empire knows no boundaries!

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[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

2010-05-04 Thread Darin G.

I'm considering either a Gunnar Sport or a Waterford sport tourer.
Interested in your build and getting a look at it once you get your
build completed.

D.G.

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 Seems like Richard Schwinn and Grant really put their heads together
 on this.  Price wise and features wise right there in between off the
 rack Gunnars and custom Waterfords.  I just took delivery of a Gunnar
 Sport with custom Waterford threaded fork.  Kinda like a Hillborne but
 no lugs, lighter tubes, I think, medium reach side pulls, and slight
 shorter wheel base.  Richard appears to be quite good at keeping the
 contract work coming in and hopefully keeping the little company
 stable during tough economic times.  Good luck in that partnership.

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  Saw that post also and was initially confused but I was reading it at
  work where things were kinda hectic. I looked it over again and I
  guess it makes sense. I like that some Hillbornes will be designed
  around sidepulls, makes sense if you're only going to be light
  touring, and keeping it on the road with the occasional dirt
  excursion. The double TT Hillbornes seem very similar to the Hunqas, I
  guess the main difference is tire clearance. I'll be curious to see
  pictures of both bikes when they're available.

  --mike

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[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

2010-05-04 Thread Jeremy Till

Grant's been talking about the double top tube Sam for a while.  I
don't think you'll have a problem of it blurring the lines with a
bombadil--it'll still be made out of lighter tubing, and still have
country bike clearances and geometry.   They might look similar, but
in the grand scheme of things, rivendells have never been diverse in
their aesthetics, have they?

The idea of a double-top tube Sam is growing on me, for sure.  I think
i've been watching too much of those videos with the Hunqa-protos, but
the truth is the clearances and stoutness of the hunqa or bomba would
be overkill for the type of riding i do.  A DTT sam would be perfect,
though.  Especially if it's waterford made.

On May 3, 6:01 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 just posted to the Riv site.

 Waterford is building Hillbornes?  Larger ones will have two top
 tubes?  Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame?

 Here's  what's coming:
 Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from
 Taiwan mid June.  $1000.  Frames are available!

 All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from Waterford.
 Taiwan fork, Waterford frame.  Same orange.  $1250.  No bb or
 seatpost.  56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also available
 on request.  All Waterford frames will be designed for cantilever
 brakes and you get 2 top tubes (at no extra charge!) on frames 56cm
 and larger.

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[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

2010-05-04 Thread SFF

I took delivery of an orange Sam (60) in early April - had a few
questions after I got it assembled so I contacted Riv. Found out it
was a Waterford build...that was a nice surprise! So - Waterford
builds are out there.

Joel

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 i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes?  a new
 viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv.  I can be with
 that.  Grant is the master.

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[RBW] Re: Shell Ridge photos

2010-05-04 Thread Matt Horsley

Nice photos Aaron, thanks for posting them.

It was good to meet you on Saturday for a thoroughly enjoyable ride.
You and your road bike handled some rough trails with apparent ease --
and it looks like you managed to get some good camera work in too.

Thanks again to Aaron, Dan, Grant and Tony for the great company.

Matt


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 Saturday morning, Grant led a little group out to Shell Ridge to check
 up on a tree swing. Read the back-story here:

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/232

 Here are a few (admittedly crappy) iPhone photos from the ride:

 http://tinyurl.com/28ekfu7

 It was a fantastic outing, with good company, perfect weather, verdant
 hills and the tree swing still intact and ready to fly. One highlight
 of the day was a rattlesnake siting; in all my years in California,
 I'd never seen one up close and personal. They rattle as advertised.

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

2010-05-04 Thread Garth

It looks rather odd like that .. like the diagonal tube should be
extended. Loss of a prime bottle spot? Curious.

I'm with Rene .. I'm really really glad to have a Bombadil :)


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[RBW] Re: Test rode the 48cm Hunq'a

2010-05-04 Thread Ginz

I have a photo of me standing next to the 48cm, but unfortunately, not
riding it.  It is definitely a small frame and, aside from the
upsloping top-tube and stingy standover clearance, almost exactly the
same size as my new custom all-around frame which was designed to
replace my 48cm B'stone XO-2.  I believe this is Vaughn's bike. Does
anyone one know how tall Vaughn is?

Johnny, is a 54.5cm top tube on the Hunq'a awfully short for a guy
your size for anything but drop bars?  Which bars do you plan to use?

The 48cm prototype was setup with Bullmoose bars which swept back so
much, the effective stem extension was nearly zero (ie. the bar
swept back so that the grips were on the same plane as the headset). I
found it to be incredibly comfortable but almost a little cramped!
With an Albatross bar, I'd probably need an 11cm, maybe even longer.

I'll have to give this frame some serious thought.  It really is a
fantastic value. It would create some duplication in my stable, but
maybe that is not a bad thing.  Stick with what works, right?

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Re: [RBW] Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

2010-05-04 Thread Bill Connell

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:54 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 The Hunqapage on the Rivsite now has a photo of the design sheet for
 the Diagonal 2TT.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/hunqapillar/50-713


It is a little odd to on the one hand prefer the skinny tube/fat tire
look and on the other hand add frame tubes to beef things up. Still,
having seen the drawing, I like it better than i had expected, and
i'll bet the final bike will look great.

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Re: [RBW] Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

2010-05-04 Thread CycloFiend

on 5/4/10 6:23 AM, Rene Sterental at orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's the concept that I liked; the long diagonal.

Breezers (original like that one) had a long diagonal (i.e. headtube to rear
dropout), but they were separate parrallel tubes. A big issue with the early
mtb's was lateral flex - they were lng wheelbase bicycles with slack
geometry and wide Albatross style bars. The method of use was downhill at
high speeds with a ton of side drift.  You were heavily countersteering, too
and the bikes felt like they had a hinge in the middle, sometimes.

I think the shorter single strut does that, but gives some dispersion of
front end shock through the frameset as well.

- Jim

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[RBW] Re: Contagion

2010-05-04 Thread stevep33

Agreed.  My Rambouillet is the alpha bike in my stable. It appears to
be trying to breed out the lesser varieties, and with much success.  I
can only imagine the ridiculousness when Rivishness crosses with
crabon.

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

2010-05-04 Thread Oliver S.

While maybe less aesthetically pleasing than the camper, this design
is probably lighter and just as stout and stable. Plus, most of the
time, you will be looking at the bike from atop it!

Oliver

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 That's the concept that I liked; the long diagonal.

 René

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  on 5/3/10 5:47 PM, James Valiensi at valie...@mac.com wrote:

  Looks like a Joe Breeze mountain bike from 1978 or so.

  Similar, but rather different -

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/195767142/

  - J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Contagion

2010-05-04 Thread CycloFiend

on 5/4/10 9:42 AM, stevep33 at steve...@gmail.com wrote:

 Agreed.  My Rambouillet is the alpha bike in my stable. It appears to
 be trying to breed out the lesser varieties, and with much success.  I
 can only imagine the ridiculousness when Rivishness crosses with
 crabon.

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[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

2010-05-04 Thread Esteban

I wonder if the Hillborne will have the diagonal or parallel top
tube.  My guess is parallel, as that style will be lost with the
Hunqa, and my guess is that the Bombadil will go to diagonal with a
third set of stays, a la mixte.

If there were double tt, seat tube, and head tube... maybe you could
unlatch the inner triangle and set it on your desk and look at it all
day.

Wow - a bonus Waterford Hillborne.  Golden.

-e

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 I took delivery of an orange Sam (60) in early April - had a few
 questions after I got it assembled so I contacted Riv. Found out it
 was a Waterford build...that was a nice surprise! So - Waterford
 builds are out there.

 Joel

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  i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes?  a new
  viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv.  I can be with
  that.  Grant is the master.

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

2010-05-04 Thread Jim M.

That design sure looks like this photoshop proto by Marty:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306...@n07/4492630025/in/pool-1358...@n23

My PBH is on the cusp of 54/58. I test rode both last Saturday. Both
are great handling, stable bikes but I prefer the 58. The 54 feels
just a little cramped for my taste.

jim m
wc ca

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 The Hunqapage on the Rivsite now has a photo of the design sheet for
 the Diagonal 2TT.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/hunqapillar/50-713

 In related news, Grant's post about the ropeswing says that the 54 is
 now built and being ridden.

 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/236

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[RBW] Re: SoCal Riv May 1 Riv Ride; Photos

2010-05-04 Thread Esteban

All this worry about water makes you guys sound like some Portlander
building an armageddon bike.  650B is a risky tire size when the
stuff hits the fan!  Let's just keep our fingers crossed and hope it
keeps raining.

San Diego is a great cycling town.  Lots of variety.  We still haven't
done a desert ride through Anza Borrego!  That might be nice next
winter.  Yes, folks, when you're in Southern California, give us a
holler and we'll try to get something together.  We've been all over
the place!

No offense to Angelinos, but the only bummer is that for us to get
anywhere - Joshua Tree, central coast, Bay Area, Sierras, high desert,
etc -  we have to get through LA.  San Diego is kind of an island -
Mexico to the south (can be wonderful!), the desert to the east (also
quite nice), the Pacific to the west (nuff said), and Camp Pendleton
to the north (a rather lovely ride).

I suppose there are few complaints about our splendid isolation after
all.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On May 3, 10:37 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Dustin:

 Love the photo of the tires.  Run what you brung.  Your average
 moving speed is about what I average on a tour...on pavementwith
 a whole lot less elevation gain.  You guys were moving right along.

 dougP

 On May 1, 7:59 pm, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com wrote:





  Seven turned out for today's SoCal Riv ride, riding everything from a Roadeo
  with Jack Browns, to a MTB singlespeed with 29x2.4 tires.

  42 miles, 5600 feet of climbing, and about 80% of it on dirt. Temps in the
  high 60s.

  This was some of the best mixed-surface riding around. Paved road, dirt
  road, rough fireroad, and a little single track. Some pretty steep pitches,
  including one stretch of 21% grade dirt.

  Stats and map:

 http://connect.garmin.com/activity/31903053

  Pics:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/33769...@n04/sets/72157623847776549/

  Cheers,

  Dustin Sharp
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[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

2010-05-04 Thread eflayer

This is a test to see if I could show my new Gunnar Sport in the
spirit of Waterford and Hillborne:

http://picasaweb.google.com/107231724174916923201/Gunnar#5467470333073420066

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 I wonder if the Hillborne will have the diagonal or parallel top
 tube.  My guess is parallel, as that style will be lost with the
 Hunqa, and my guess is that the Bombadil will go to diagonal with a
 third set of stays, a la mixte.

 If there were double tt, seat tube, and head tube... maybe you could
 unlatch the inner triangle and set it on your desk and look at it all
 day.

 Wow - a bonus Waterford Hillborne.  Golden.

 -e

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  I took delivery of an orange Sam (60) in early April - had a few
  questions after I got it assembled so I contacted Riv. Found out it
  was a Waterford build...that was a nice surprise! So - Waterford
  builds are out there.

  Joel

  On May 3, 7:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:

   i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes?  a new
   viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv.  I can be with
   that.  Grant is the master.

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Re: [RBW] I'll be in Chicago for the next eight days

2010-05-04 Thread Fx

Do the boat tour on the Chicago river. Much architecture , some history
Jim d.Massachusetts

Sent from my iPhone

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Hi folks -

What should I not miss in Chicago? Interests: art, architecture,
museums, bike shops/builders, local beer/food, bookstores, interesting
neighborhoods, dive bars, good places to run. I have all next weekend
to do whatever, so I'm looking to fill up those days.

And, if you want to hang/get a beer, let me know OFF LIST.

Thanks for any tips!

-Gino

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[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

2010-05-04 Thread Michael_S

How do you tell if your Sam is Waterford built?  is there some s/n
decoder ring?
I got my 56 Sam in late Dec 2009.
Not that it would change anything, just nice to know.

~Mike~


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 I took delivery of an orange Sam (60) in early April - had a few
 questions after I got it assembled so I contacted Riv. Found out it
 was a Waterford build...that was a nice surprise! So - Waterford
 builds are out there.

 Joel

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  i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes?  a new
  viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv.  I can be with
  that.  Grant is the master.

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

2010-05-04 Thread Michael_S

Will the 54 still be a single top tube or will it have the diagonal
tube also?
 If what Keven says is true I should get the 54 also ( 86 PBH but long
torso/arms).
Any news on the delivery date of the final production versions?

~Mike~





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 Jim

 I just did the same thing this morning (rode the 54 and 58), and had
 the same reaction (I liked the cockpit size of the 58 but was freaked
 at the standover).  My PBH is 87.  Keven pointed out to me that the
 final 58 will be 2 full centimeters longer in the top tube, and the 54
 will be 1.5cm longer than the proto 54.  That has me leaning towards
 the 54.

 Bill

 On May 4, 9:58 am, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:





  That design sure looks like this photoshop proto by 
  Marty:http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306...@n07/4492630025/in/pool-1358...@n23

  My PBH is on the cusp of 54/58. I test rode both last Saturday. Both
  are great handling, stable bikes but I prefer the 58. The 54 feels
  just a little cramped for my taste.

  jim m
  wc ca

  On May 3, 3:54 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

   The Hunqapage on the Rivsite now has a photo of the design sheet for
   the Diagonal 2TT.

  http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/hunqapillar/50-713

   In related news, Grant's post about the ropeswing says that the 54 is
   now built and being ridden.

  http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/236

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[RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.



On May 4, 9:00 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu
wrote:
 FWIW, the Dirt Drop is also available in a short quill version.  Ben's 
 carries it:

 http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id...

 Might let you lower your bars a bit but keep that winning Dirt Drop aesthetic!

 I have one on my XO-1 and it's good--you can see it here:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738...@n08/3764071280/

 Steve

Yep, that's the one I have. The flare at the top of the quill is
sitting right on the top nut of the headset.

You can sorta kinda see it in this photo:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027...@n00/4576796902/sizes/l/in/set-72157623986842368/

The position is not bad by any means, and I may just leave it!

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[RBW] Re: is this confusing or am i missing something? Waterford Hillbornes?

Waterford bikes generally have Waterford stamped into the rear
dropouts.  There might be other simple identifiers.  My Bombadil is
stamped on the rear dropout, and my Sam (purchased in Dec '09) is
not.

On May 4, 11:07 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 How do you tell if your Sam is Waterford built?  is there some s/n
 decoder ring?
 I got my 56 Sam in late Dec 2009.
 Not that it would change anything, just nice to know.

 ~Mike~

 On May 3, 8:46 pm, SFF jgre...@earthlink.net wrote:



  I took delivery of an orange Sam (60) in early April - had a few
  questions after I got it assembled so I contacted Riv. Found out it
  was a Waterford build...that was a nice surprise! So - Waterford
  builds are out there.

  Joel

  On May 3, 7:25 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:

   i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes?  a new
   viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv.  I can be with
   that.  Grant is the master.

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

Michael

The 54 will absolutely be a single top tube.  When Keven said that the
54 will be 1.5 cm longer, it did not occur to me to ask if the first
prototypes were built 1.5cm too short or if they changed the number
from the PDF file on the Riv site to 1.5cm longer.

With my PBH of 87, standing over the 58 hunqa prototype with Big Apple
700x50 (not 60s), I could stand flat footed, and could lift the front
wheel only about 1 cm.

Keven said that if the final prototypes (later this month) are
perfecto, then late July is still the date for finals.

Bill

On May 4, 11:14 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 Will the 54 still be a single top tube or will it have the diagonal
 tube also?
  If what Keven says is true I should get the 54 also ( 86 PBH but long
 torso/arms).
 Any news on the delivery date of the final production versions?

 ~Mike~

 On May 4, 11:04 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:



  Jim

  I just did the same thing this morning (rode the 54 and 58), and had
  the same reaction (I liked the cockpit size of the 58 but was freaked
  at the standover).  My PBH is 87.  Keven pointed out to me that the
  final 58 will be 2 full centimeters longer in the top tube, and the 54
  will be 1.5cm longer than the proto 54.  That has me leaning towards
  the 54.

  Bill

  On May 4, 9:58 am, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:

   That design sure looks like this photoshop proto by 
   Marty:http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306...@n07/4492630025/in/pool-1358...@n23

   My PBH is on the cusp of 54/58. I test rode both last Saturday. Both
   are great handling, stable bikes but I prefer the 58. The 54 feels
   just a little cramped for my taste.

   jim m
   wc ca

   On May 3, 3:54 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

The Hunqapage on the Rivsite now has a photo of the design sheet for
the Diagonal 2TT.

   http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/hunqapillar/50-713

In related news, Grant's post about the ropeswing says that the 54 is
now built and being ridden.

   http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/236

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

Mike

I'm a terrible double-replyer, so I'm sorry about that.  I just called
Keven and he said that the 54 and 58 prototypes were built correctly
to the numbers that are currently on the Riv-site.  The finals will be
longer, so the numbers are changing.  The Hunqa numbers claim that the
54 has a 58.4cm effective top tube length, and the final will be
really close to 60cm.  The 58 claims to have a 60cm effective top tube
length and the final will be a 62 or so.

Bill

On May 4, 11:14 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 Will the 54 still be a single top tube or will it have the diagonal
 tube also?
  If what Keven says is true I should get the 54 also ( 86 PBH but long
 torso/arms).
 Any news on the delivery date of the final production versions?

 ~Mike~

 On May 4, 11:04 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:



  Jim

  I just did the same thing this morning (rode the 54 and 58), and had
  the same reaction (I liked the cockpit size of the 58 but was freaked
  at the standover).  My PBH is 87.  Keven pointed out to me that the
  final 58 will be 2 full centimeters longer in the top tube, and the 54
  will be 1.5cm longer than the proto 54.  That has me leaning towards
  the 54.

  Bill

  On May 4, 9:58 am, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:

   That design sure looks like this photoshop proto by 
   Marty:http://www.flickr.com/photos/32306...@n07/4492630025/in/pool-1358...@n23

   My PBH is on the cusp of 54/58. I test rode both last Saturday. Both
   are great handling, stable bikes but I prefer the 58. The 54 feels
   just a little cramped for my taste.

   jim m
   wc ca

   On May 3, 3:54 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

The Hunqapage on the Rivsite now has a photo of the design sheet for
the Diagonal 2TT.

   http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/hunqapillar/50-713

In related news, Grant's post about the ropeswing says that the 54 is
now built and being ridden.

   http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/236

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[RBW] Re: Contagion

I put a technomic DLX on my Davidson Signature.  That's all the
rivishness that's spread thusfar, besides the authentic Rivs breeding
and multiplying.

On May 4, 9:47 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 5/4/10 9:42 AM, stevep33 at steve...@gmail.com wrote:

  Agreed.  My Rambouillet is the alpha bike in my stable. It appears to
  be trying to breed out the lesser varieties, and with much success.  I
  can only imagine the ridiculousness when Rivishness crosses with
  crabon.

 I thought you said crossing the streams was a bad idea

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[RBW] Re: Contagion

Sold 10,000 IBM!  Sold 15,000 GS!  Sold 25,000 LVS!

Whaaa??  Rivendell??  Never mind.

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[RBW] Re: An-Atomica saddles for Clyde

Hi,

On May 4, 6:27 am, Bill M. bmenn...@comcast.net wrote:
 I bought mine directly from S-A.  I don't know how Tom Milton's
 passing has affected the operation of the company, but I'd give them a
 call soon.

The owner of SA had a heart attack and died in the middle of a double
century last weekend.

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[RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.

On May 4, 7:26 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd just like to put a plug in for cable splitters. It can make
 pulling the bars/levers and trying something different much easier and
 pleasant.


Thanks.  Where do you get them?  Are they easy to install?

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[RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.

Ahh.  Beautiful pictures.  Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.

2010-05-04 Thread Seth Vidal

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:31 PM, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On May 4, 7:26 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd just like to put a plug in for cable splitters. It can make
 pulling the bars/levers and trying something different much easier and
 pleasant.


 Thanks.  Where do you get them?  Are they easy to install?


I got mine from davinci designs:

http://www.teamspirit.net/comp.html#split

yes - they were easy enough to install - just think about it for a
while before you cut anything :)

-sv

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[RBW] Re: An-Atomica saddles for Clyde

Try www.universalcycles.com

They appear to have some on-hand.

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[RBW] Re: An-Atomica saddles for Clyde

That's a dead link.  Has anyone used those saddles before?  Opinions?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

2010-05-04 Thread Rene Sterental

That is roughly how my 60 Bombadil fits me, although I believe that with the
Marathon Supreme 700x50 I actually get about 1 inch. (I ride a 61
AHH). Still, when I straddle the bike I can feel the top tube right in
there. I get the extra lift by pushing hard against my bones just like
Grant states you should. I believe my PBH is 89 or 90.

I did think the frame was too large for me initially, even though Keven had
sized me personally. I went back to RBW with the idea that they had made a
mistake, rode the 56 Bombadil and felt the cockpit too constrained. I took
my 60 back home, ended up getting the most comfortable fit with the shorter
Drop Stem and 48 Noodle bars and love it. I do wish the top tube was a
little lower, for extra clearing but so far it hasn't been an issue other
than snagging the rear brake cable when I straddle the bike. I will go
mountain biking again this weekend on my first S24O. I've gotten used to
feeling the top tube when riding it on the road and am going to try a pair
of Big Apples 700x60 to see how they compare to the Supremes. I love riding
the bike with the Marathon Extreme 700x40 and for real mountain biking, I
have a set of Specialized El Capitan 29x2.2 front and 2.0 rear. It will be
interesting to compare mountain biking handling between the Specialized and
the Extremes.

Perhaps the 58 Hunqa would give me a bit of extra clearance, but so far it's
not enough reason to sell the Bombadil frame and get the Hunqa frame. You
never know, of course, but I really like how the bike fits me and how I feel
when riding it (other than my left foot pain that has nothing to do with the
bike).

I also like the Bombadil better with less stem / seat post showing... but
that's completely subjective. :-)

René

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 With my PBH of 87, standing over the 58 hunqa prototype with Big Apple
 700x50 (not 60s), I could stand flat footed, and could lift the front
 wheel only about 1 cm.

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[RBW] Super Deals in Davis, CA

2010-05-04 Thread Eric Norris

The Bike Barn on the UC Davis campus is holding their annual sale.  Among the 
deals:

-- Panaracer Pasela Tourguard tires (700x32) for $7.  (Matching tubes for $1)

-- Showers Pass jackets (Touring and Double Century models) for half price 
(Double Century for $60, regularly $120).

Lots of other great deals if you can make it to Davis before the sale ends 
tomorrow.

--Eric

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Re: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

2010-05-04 Thread Rene Sterental

That would be too long for me, as the Bombadil 60 has a top tube of 61 and I
wouldn't be able to use a shorter frame. The 54 would end up being quite
low, forcing a lot of seat post/stem to show to reach the right height and
bar/saddle height ratio...

I guess that will still keep my best fitted on my Bombadil... which is
always good to reconfirm.

René

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 The 58 claims to have a 60cm effective top tube
 length and the final will be a 62 or so.

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[RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.

On May 4, 12:16 pm, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Yep, that's the one I have. The flare at the top of the quill is
 sitting right on the top nut of the headset.

 You can sorta kinda see it in this photo:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027...@n00/4576796902/sizes/l/in/set-7...

 The position is not bad by any means, and I may just leave it!


Why don't you want to use a regular stem?

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Re: [RBW] Re: An-Atomica saddles for Clyde

2010-05-04 Thread Bruce

I have 3 of them and love them. One is sans slot, 2 are slotted. The unslotted 
is most comfy to me, but everyone else I know who rides them prefers the slot.





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Subject: [RBW] Re: An-Atomica saddles for Clyde

That's a dead link.  Has anyone used those saddles before?  Opinions?

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[RBW] Re: Super Deals in Davis, CA

On May 4, 2:19 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:
 The Bike Barn on the UC Davis campus is holding their annual sale.  Among the 
 deals:

 -- Panaracer Pasela Tourguard tires (700x32) for $7.  (Matching tubes for $1)

 -- Showers Pass jackets (Touring and Double Century models) for half price 
 (Double Century for $60, regularly $120).


Will they take orders over the phone and ship?  What's the shop's name?

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

Rene

Your 60cm Bombadil has an effective top tube length of 63cm.  So the
58cm Hunqapillar will be 1cm shorter in reach than your Bombadil, and
the 58cm Hunqapillar will have 2cm more standover clearance than your
Bombadil.  Seems like the 58 Hunqa fits nicely between a 56 Bomba and
a 60 Bomba.  Maybe you need another bike, and should put the Noodles
on the Hunqapillar and the Bullmoose bars on your Bombadil.  That
would be sweet!

On May 4, 1:25 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 That would be too long for me, as the Bombadil 60 has a top tube of 61 and I
 wouldn't be able to use a shorter frame. The 54 would end up being quite
 low, forcing a lot of seat post/stem to show to reach the right height and
 bar/saddle height ratio...

 I guess that will still keep my best fitted on my Bombadil... which is
 always good to reconfirm.

 René

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  The 58 claims to have a 60cm effective top tube
  length and the final will be a 62 or so.

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[RBW] Re: Super Deals in Davis, CA

On May 4, 2:38 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On May 4, 2:19 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:

  The Bike Barn on the UC Davis campus is holding their annual sale.  Among 
  the deals:

  -- Panaracer Pasela Tourguard tires (700x32) for $7.  (Matching tubes for 
  $1)

  -- Showers Pass jackets (Touring and Double Century models) for half price 
  (Double Century for $60, regularly $120).


Never mind.  I called them.  No XL's.  Darn.

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[RBW] Rich's Wheel Building Seminar, May 15 @ 11AM.

2010-05-04 Thread John Bennett

On Saturday, May 15, Rich Lesnik, our own wheel builder and proprietor
of Hands On Wheels, will host a wheel building demonstration and
seminar in the Rivendell showroom at 11AM.

Non-compulsory raffle tickets will be sold for $10 each (benefiting
Smile Train) and the winner will take home the wheel that Rich builds
in the course of his talk.

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[RBW] Re: Rich's Wheel Building Seminar, May 15 @ 11AM.

2010-05-04 Thread John Bennett

PS: Rich will be building a 32h Synergy/LX front 700c wheel.

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 seminar in the Rivendell showroom at 11AM.

 Non-compulsory raffle tickets will be sold for $10 each (benefiting
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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

2010-05-04 Thread newenglandbike

Rene:   William is right-  the *actual* TT length on the 60cm B'dil is
61cm, but the theoretical horizontal measurement is 63cm



On May 4, 5:21 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 I thought I read in the Bomba's geometry chart that the horizontal top
 tube was 61cm. I'll recheck it again when I get home. I'm on a plane
 waiting to depart from Dulles into SFO.

 Hm!

 René

 On 5/4/10, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:



  Rene

  Your 60cm Bombadil has an effective top tube length of 63cm.  So the
  58cm Hunqapillar will be 1cm shorter in reach than your Bombadil, and
  the 58cm Hunqapillar will have 2cm more standover clearance than your
  Bombadil.  Seems like the 58 Hunqa fits nicely between a 56 Bomba and
  a 60 Bomba.  Maybe you need another bike, and should put the Noodles
  on the Hunqapillar and the Bullmoose bars on your Bombadil.  That
  would be sweet!

  On May 4, 1:25 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
  That would be too long for me, as the Bombadil 60 has a top tube of 61 and
  I
  wouldn't be able to use a shorter frame. The 54 would end up being quite
  low, forcing a lot of seat post/stem to show to reach the right height and
  bar/saddle height ratio...

  I guess that will still keep my best fitted on my Bombadil... which is
  always good to reconfirm.

  René

  On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:47 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
   The 58 claims to have a 60cm effective top tube
   length and the final will be a 62 or so.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55 cm Canti-Rom

2010-05-04 Thread Michael Gordon

The bike is sold, thanks to all who expressed interest.

Cheers,

Michael

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55 cm Canti-Rom

2010-05-04 Thread rcnute

Nice looking 57 on ebay...

Ryan

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

On May 4, 12:47 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mike

 I'm a terrible double-replyer, so I'm sorry about that.  I just called
 Keven and he said that the 54 and 58 prototypes were built correctly
 to the numbers that are currently on the Riv-site.  The finals will be
 longer, so the numbers are changing.  The Hunqa numbers claim that the
 54 has a 58.4cm effective top tube length, and the final will be
 really close to 60cm.  The 58 claims to have a 60cm effective top tube
 length and the final will be a 62 or so.

On May 4, 12:47 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mike

 I'm a terrible double-replyer, so I'm sorry about that.  I just called
 Keven and he said that the 54 and 58 prototypes were built correctly
 to the numbers that are currently on the Riv-site.  The finals will be
 longer, so the numbers are changing.  The Hunqa numbers claim that the
 54 has a 58.4cm effective top tube length, and the final will be
 really close to 60cm.  The 58 claims to have a 60cm effective top tube
 length and the final will be a 62 or so.


Ugh.  What is it with Rivendell's long top tubes?  I thought the whole
idea was to get people to ride bigger frames?  On the bigger frames,
the top tubes are so long it forces people to buy a smaller frame with
a shorter, better fitting top tube and then jack up the stem to get
the bars up there.   For instance, look at the 67 AHH.  The effective
seat tube is about 66.3 center to center and the effective top tube is
65.  My preference for that frame would be a 61 cm top tube so that I
could employ a proportionally appropriate stem of 12 or 13 cm.

It seems to me that because of the long top tubes most of Rivendells
frames are not designed for drop bars.  With the long top tubes you
need bars that come back towards you to provide a comfortable reach.

I've read the article on how a shallower seat angle effectively
shortens the top tube--but that is only 1 cm per degree.  So if you
currently ride a bike with a 73 seat tube angle, the Hilsen's 72 seat
tube angle will allow you to fit a top tube that is 1 cm longer.  But
on the other end, a Nitto Noodle handlebar has 9.5 cm of reach which
is 1 cm longer than most road bars sold today.   The net result is
that a shallower seat tube angle effectively reduces the top tube
length by 1cm, but the Noodle handlebar is 1 cm longer, so that is a
scratch.

It would be nice if Rivendell made one model where the top tubes were
not so long in the large sizes.  Taller riders could then choose
bigger frames with less stem sticking out of the frame and use a 12 or
13 cm stem with Nitto Noodle's to get the proper reach to the bars.
The geometry of the original Hunqapillar seemed to be moving a bit in
that direction.

On the other hand, some days I hold up my hand and spread my thumb and
forefinger apart 4 centimeters, and I look at how small a distance
that is, and I wonder if it is even worth thinking about.

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[RBW] Re: Diagonapillar blueprints revealed

On May 4, 10:40 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 on 5/4/10 6:23 AM, Rene Sterental at orthie...@gmail.com wrote:

  That's the concept that I liked; the long diagonal.

 Breezers (original like that one) had a long diagonal (i.e. headtube to rear
 dropout), but they were separate parrallel tubes. A big issue with the early
 mtb's was lateral flex - they were lng wheelbase bicycles with slack
 geometry and wide Albatross style bars. The method of use was downhill at
 high speeds with a ton of side drift.  You were heavily countersteering, too
 and the bikes felt like they had a hinge in the middle, sometimes.

In that picture, it looks like the diagonal may not be attached to the
down tube?  What was the thinking behind that?

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[RBW] Re: Rich's Wheel Building Seminar, May 15 @ 11AM.

How fun!  I wish I could be there. :(

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[RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.

On May 3, 7:29 pm, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Lots of toiling on my part.
 Lots of help, guidance, and reassurance on RBW's part.
 My 59cm A.H.H.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027...@n00/sets/72157623986998644/


What's on the middle of the top tube?

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[RBW] Re: Saluki History + Provenance

Check out some of your brethren here:

http://fiveprime.org/hivemind/Tags/rivendell,saluki

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[RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.

2010-05-04 Thread JoelMatthews

 Why don't you want to use a regular stem?

What is irregular about the Dirtdrop stem?  It is a great, heavy duty
stem for riding everywhere, road or no that just happens to be quite
good looking.  I have several of them.

On May 4, 3:27 pm, happyriding happyrid...@yahoo.com wrote:
 On May 4, 12:16 pm, jinxed hbcl...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Yep, that's the one I have. The flare at the top of the quill is
  sitting right on the top nut of the headset.

  You can sorta kinda see it in this photo:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027...@n00/4576796902/sizes/l/in/set-7...

  The position is not bad by any means, and I may just leave it!

 Why don't you want to use a regular stem?

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[RBW] Re: SoCal Riv May 1 Riv Ride; Photos

2010-05-04 Thread Esteban

The real question will be, whose side shall PDX be on?
http://www.insmogandthunder.com/

However, it's likely that the Seattle Internationals, clad in the
Rando True Blue colors would outflank and intercept the Ragamuffin
PDX Hobo Riv Brigade.

Meanwhile, the SD-TJ megalopolis would carry on nonplussed.

On May 4, 2:17 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 09:59 -0700, Esteban wrote:
  All this worry about water makes you guys sound like some Portlander
  building an armageddon bike.  650B is a risky tire size when the
  stuff hits the fan!  Let's just keep our fingers crossed and hope it
  keeps raining.

 It is funny PDX should be the center of fear of Armageddon on the west
 coast, what with San Francisco poised to fall into the Pacific Ocean any
 second.

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Re: [RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.

2010-05-04 Thread Shaun Meehan

Wow! The riding looks fantastic and you both have great looking bikes
(especially the AHH). What kind of bike is your friend riding? You
guys have mad riding skillz! Thanks for sharing the great pictures.

Shaun Meehan

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[RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.


 http://www.flickr.com/photos/42027...@n00/sets/72157623986998644/

 What's on the middle of the top tube?

That is a Kashimax Five Gold top tube protector. They are specifically
made for kierin racing bikes in Japan. It was left over from my track
days, and I found it again while looking for a part to build the AHH.
It's kind of a neat design. It's basically a thin metal cuff that is
imbedded in clear silicone. You just pull it open and wrap it on the
tube. I've had it for years and paid what I thought was a princely sum
then of $25. I had an off list inquiry on the same thing so I looked
online to check availability. Seems they are a little more proud of
them now at $50!! Cheaper than a repair/repaint for sure, but the same
protection can be had with some left over bar wrap for almost free. I
only chose to put it on because the M bars are just at the right level
to smack the TT in a fall. I expected plenty of opportunity to do just
that on our trip...but managed to avoid any unplanned get-offs. Knocks
on wood.

Google Kashimax top tube protector you'll find them.

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[RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride.

On May 4, 6:39 pm, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wow! The riding looks fantastic and you both have great looking bikes
 (especially the AHH). What kind of bike is your friend riding? You
 guys have mad riding skillz! Thanks for sharing the great pictures.

 Shaun Meehan

Thanks Shaun! I have to say, I was really surprised at the ability of
the larger diameter tires to smooth the rough stuff as much as it did.
I know a bunch of people are really hot on the 29er off road tip, but
I have so far been skeptical. No longer! The trails are a crazy mix
out there. You get sections of wide super fast smooth packed dirt that
will change to rough solid rock then drop into a tight twisty
singletrack with foot tall drop offs and steps. It keeps you on your
toes, but is just a blast to ride. We did parts of the loops twice
just because they are so fun.

My buddies bike is a custom titanium bike that he designed with Daryl
Funk of old school FUNK mountain bikes of the late 90ies. The
fabrication was done by James at BlackSheep. He took visual
inspiration from his 190? Iver Johnson with the trussed top tube, but
designed it to be disk brake specific and with clearance to run
basically any size wheel and or tire. He has a set of 650b wheels with
Neo-Moto 2.1's, and the 700c set that he can run anything from road
slicks to monster cross tires on. Not sure but he may have a 26 set
built too. Essentially built with a road/touring geometry, but able to
go anywhere. The bottom bracket height came out a bit lower than
planned at 10, but oddly enough my AHH with 42mm tires was within a
couple millimeters. We were both smacking pedals all weekend, but just
sort of road through it and revised our technique as we went.

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[RBW] Re: Saluki History + Provenance

2010-05-04 Thread Richard

More pictures from the freewebs site.

http://650b.webs.com/newpurposebuilt.htm

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[RBW] Re: My new AHH and it's maiden shakedown ride NOW with video!

My buddy pulled together some of the video. Gives a pretty fair
assessment of the riding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak7JpiqfWjgfeature=player_embedded

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[RBW] Thanks! RE: Replace bottom bracket question

2010-05-04 Thread Joan Oppel

Thanks to everyone who replied - a huge help. And thanks for the reminder about the frame saverI was so intent on getting the bike put back together that I almost forgot that item. Bought the stuff and sprayed the frame thoroughly. And will replace the BB.Very Appreciative - Joan The original bottom bracket (Shimano BB 6500), which of course was removed prior to sending the frame away, has some surface rust. Most of it is near the thicker right hand side. The worst is a one inch square patch that I've tried gently to remove but isn't budging. I'm not much of a mechanic and I'm hoping the collective wisdom here can help me with whether or not I should replace the bottom bracket. Thanks much, JoanI'd just replace the BB with a new one. They aren't expensive, anddoing it now might mean not having to disassemble the cranks foranother 7 years. It's also an excellent time to put some Frame Saveror other rustproofing inside the tubes while it's fresh and unbuilt,might prevent those patches of inner surface rust from recurring..-- Bill ConnellSt. Paul, MN-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.

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[RBW] Re: An-Atomica saddles for Clyde