[RBW] Camping/Biking around Minneapolis area
Does anyone know of a campground in the Minneapolis area where a guy could drive to and then bike into the city on a bike trail? I may be visiting friends later in the year and would like to camp, but would want to leave my truck at the campsite and travel by bike while there. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Curious Rivendell Tie In on eBay
While I agree with Joel that that saddle seems over priced... I also realize EBAY and Craiglist have no restirctions on what you can charge and whether that amount is realistic or not. I've sold some used items that went for more than new and I actually emailed the winner and made sure they understood it was used. Then again I've ended up selling some items that ended up being a steal because only one person understood the value. My problem is that those sites are not good for my budget... everytime certain no-longer-made item comes up I end up bidding on it. I must have 5 Suntour XC pro rear derailleurs! ~Mike~ On Aug 1, 3:47 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: From the subject line on this thread, I was expecting a link to an eBay listing for a necktie bearing the Rivendell logo. Which would indeed be curious, since that's one item I could never imagine RBW selling! :) Got carried away with the caps. On Aug 1, 5:02 pm, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote: From the subject line on this thread, I was expecting a link to an eBay listing for a necktie bearing the Rivendell logo. Which would indeed be curious, since that's one item I could never imagine RBW selling! Shaun Meehan- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Sackville TrunkSack Alternative
Thank you to all. Perfect On Jul 31, 6:17 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: I'm assuming she doesn't like either the grey grid or the olive? Happen to think the olive looks nice, but that's me. An option could be the Arkel Tail Rider. Available in red. Not necessarily as handsome, but would do the job. Tweed might eventually make it's way, but when I asked, was told that negotiations were ongoing. Also would advise calling Rivendell and asking what is in stock. Might be something different. They did a great job finding an alternative for the not in stock Nigel Smythe Big Loafer. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 30, 2:13 pm, stormlight stormli...@gmail.com wrote: My wife loves the design of the Sackville TrunkSack. Its just what she needs to replace some pans that are to big. However she is not down with the color. Anyone know of any of choices that are just not black nylon from the local race rider bike store? thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: FS: Big Apple 700x60 tires and tubes
The tires are still available. Perhaps this is the group stating their encouragement for me to buy a Hunqapillar after all. That would not be the end of the world, I suppose. On Jul 31, 5:47 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Schwalbe tires do seem to run a touch small at the beginning. Then stretch out. My Hillborne has a new Schwalbe Marathon Supreme up front and had to decrease the computer setting a couple of mm to get things right. On the Atlantis I used to own, 26x50BigApples fit fine. The 60s seemed close. Moreso at the fork than the chainstay. As an aside, seems to me theBigApples seem to stretch a touch more than the Supremes. At least from the samples of two sets I've used. Probably not an issue at 30 to 40 psi. But I often run them at 50 or so. Seems to work better for my weight (220 in case yer wonderin'). Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 31, 11:45 am, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I've got a couple of old Atlantis info sheets both list max tire size at 2.1 for the 26 wheeled (excepting the 47 cm frame @ 1.7) and 52 mm for the 700 wheels. I also recall Riv generally says the Atlantis handles anything up to 2 wide. Don't forget that the rim width affects the inflated tire width. On Mavic A 719s (don't recall width but they're wide) my 35 mm Schwalbe Marathon Supremes measure 35 mm. Others have mentioned that Schwalbes tend to run narrower than the nominal width. So the same tire on a narrower rim may not be 35 mm. dougP On Jul 31, 9:04 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: On the Schwalbe site there is a comments forum, and one of the posters begs Schwalbe to make a 55, because the 50 is too skinny and the 60 rubs on the chainstays of his Atlantis. Again, that's second hand info, and it depends on the rim, but that was my source. The tires are still available. On Jul 31, 4:49 am, Shawn sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: I believe the 60s will fit without fenders and the 50s will fit with fenders. On Jul 30, 10:35 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The 60's, I'm told, will not fit an Atlantis. The 50's will, or that is my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong. On Jul 30, 6:06 pm, Frankwurst fbr...@jwperry.com wrote: Huh? They won't fit an Atlantis? On Jul 30, 6:50 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: So after lots of soul searching I've decided to hold off on taking delivery of the Hunqapillar. There are actually 3 bikes that I badly want, and I can only afford one, so I'm going to take a few months to decide which one that will be. I have the build kit for a Hunqapillar all set up. It will all store well, but the tires are the only part that I can't use on any other bike. So, now you can have them. It's a pair of folding Liteskin SchwalbeBigApples, 700x60, a.k.a. 29x2.35. I am told they are too wide for an Atlantis. I am certain they are the best tire in the world to have for a Hunqapillar. I don't know if they would fit a large Bombadil. I have the tires on wheels now, but they've never been ridden. Schwalbe website has these tires at $70 each. Two tires and four presta valve inner tubes (Bontrager brand). $100 shipped anywhere in the Continental US. Contact me off-list please. Thanks! Bill- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Camping/Biking around Minneapolis area
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:04 AM, JB baile...@voyager.net wrote: Does anyone know of a campground in the Minneapolis area where a guy could drive to and then bike into the city on a bike trail? I may be visiting friends later in the year and would like to camp, but would want to leave my truck at the campsite and travel by bike while there. The Three Rivers parks will probably be the closest to town, though you'll still have a 20-30-mile ride from camp, depending on where you're heading in the city. The Carver Park campground is definitely accessible by bike path, some friends bike out there to camp last year. http://www.threeriversparks.org/activities/camping.aspx The U of M Cyclopath project is a great way to find bike routes around the Twin Cities metro area (it doesn't go past the outer 'burbs). http://cyclopath.org/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I'm going to draw my own frame! Who else will follow along?
I went ahead and worked ahead. Grant had us up to seat tube angle. I did chainstay next, and then seat tube length, which allowed me to connect the dots for my seatstays. Then I marked my saddle height and drew a level line from the saddle to the front end. I knew I wanted to be able to get the bars and saddle level with a Nitto Pearl stem. I ended up with a slightly sloping top tube (more slope than a Hilsen, less than a Bomba/Hillborne) and still had my standover at a comfortable level. Then I dropped the headtube angle to the ground and pulled back the trail, which positioned my front hub and established fork rake. I went ahead with the compass and spun the wheels in, and from that marked where I want the brake bridges. I kind of guessed where the downtube meets the headtube. But the thing is drawn. It's basically a slightly modified 58cm 650B Hilsen/ Saluki. On Jul 28, 10:00 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I think Laney College here in Oakland did aframebuilding class, as well as The Crucible, which is a vocational arts school with every kind of heat based trade (glass, welding, blacksmithing, etc). Maybe I should look into that. On Jul 27, 9:08 pm, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: I took a welding class (Welding for Artists, or something like that) at the local community college a few years ago and got to try everything and developed instant respect for the simplest welds in my life. I got to try both gas and electric and gas brazing and plasma cutting, and it's on my list. But teaching school science starting last week, 6 weeks too soon for me -maybe it's time to retire and ride and make bikes and whittle spoons and kuksas...need to gather school supplies... On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote: I did this: signed up for a framebuilding class, measured my youngest son who needed a good road bike, and built a virtual clone of my Rambouillet. The only change I made was to increase the fender clearance slightly under the headtube and the seat stay bridge since my Ram frankly runs at the minimum usable clearance with 28mm tires. The lugged bike turned out to be spectacular: it handles, if you can believe this, slightly better than the Ram (although I suspect that my handling test was biased due to less weight in the front bag). No matter; he loves the bike. I spent about twelve Sundays building this and loved every minute of it. If you can spare the time and cash, do it. Steve Ames, IA On Jul 27, 1:25 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Grant is apparently going to teach us how todrawa bikeframein his little step by step way. I'm going to follow along. I want a custom framethat somewhat resembles a 58cm 650B A. Homer Hilsen. The critical differences will be that I want it 130mm spaced and want it to be a lighter frameset. I don't know if I'll ever get this frameset made, or whether it will be a Rivendell or an Ebisu or a Davidson or something else. But I'm looking forward to drawing it. I've done a fair amount of drafting table work in Engineering school, but never went ahead and drew a bike. Looking forward to it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Atlantis Repaint - Silver
Angus that is beautiful! Up there with Gino's Saluki in paint color gorgeosity. :) My favorite color scheme for a bike. Reminds me of the circa 1975 Raleigh Competition I had briefly in 1977, before it was stolen. :( Rob in Seattle On Jun 27, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Angus wrote: So when I managed to damage the clear powdercoat on my Atlantis, I opted for a silver cream repaint. http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/4740106394/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/4739465349/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16951...@n08/4739461407/in/photostream/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New Sugino Crankset
There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
I think you are referring to the new Sugino Mighty Tour? Very nice but a little pricey. http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=10478currency=USD ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
here is a snip from the original thread - my apologies for starting a new thread. http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/ox801d_main_japan.htm http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=jau=http://www.sugino... If you look towards the bottom where it describe chain ring size, it can come with 52T-36T 50T-34T 48T-34T / 48T-32T 46T-36T / 46T-34T / 46T-32T / 46T-30T Q factor reports as 145mm, same as a Shimano double, low enough for me. Price is not cheap, close to $400. That is not ideal. But if you look at other cranks out there, not too bad. On Aug 2, 11:16 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I think you are referring to the new Sugino Mighty Tour? Very nice but a little pricey. http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id... ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
If you mean this one: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm Nobody here on the board knew of how to get it or how much it would cost. Could be $300, could be $700. I have no clue. I think you'd have to talk to an importer who deals with Sugino or a friend who could try to buy one for you in Japan. The website suggests that they should be available by now, at least in Japan. Rivendell had talked about bringing in the Mighty Tour, which would also look great on a Roadeo: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/product_crank_td4_silver_english.htm I called Riv HQ to ask about it. Miesha said they were going to get a few, and I could put a deposit on one. It was pretty expensive, like $300 or something. I did not do it, since what I really wanted was a compact double that would take something closer to a 30. I imagine you could get Riv to sell you one of those Mighty Tours. Or ask them if they would find out about pricing for the fancy one. On Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Sorry to bully the thread, but I also called Merry Sales. They don't import it, and don't know what Sugino products they will add in 2011 until after Interbike in September. After Interbike, if they've decided to bring that model in, then they'd be in the pipeline maybe by Spring 2011. Obviously no hints at all about pricing. I'd be floored if it was under $500. On Aug 2, 11:32 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I just called Riv and talked to Mark. They sometimes get big orders directly from Sugino. Like a few times a year. The rest they backfill from Merry Sales. Short answer is that there is no mechanism to special order one Sugino crankset from Rivendell direct to Sugino. It would have to be something that Merry Sales already imports, which I'll assume they do not. If Merry Sales will sell it to Rivendell, they'd happily sell it to you, but so would any retailer that has an account with Merry Sales. On Aug 2, 11:23 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: If you mean this one: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm Nobody here on the board knew of how to get it or how much it would cost. Could be $300, could be $700. I have no clue. I think you'd have to talk to an importer who deals with Sugino or a friend who could try to buy one for you in Japan. The website suggests that they should be available by now, at least in Japan. Rivendell had talked about bringing in the Mighty Tour, which would also look great on a Roadeo: http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/product_crank_td4_silver_english.htm I called Riv HQ to ask about it. Miesha said they were going to get a few, and I could put a deposit on one. It was pretty expensive, like $300 or something. I did not do it, since what I really wanted was a compact double that would take something closer to a 30. I imagine you could get Riv to sell you one of those Mighty Tours. Or ask them if they would find out about pricing for the fancy one. On Aug 2, 11:06 am, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote: There was a posting a couple weeks ago about a new crankset from Sugino - - a 110/74 double, IIRC. Have these hit the market? If anyone knows how to get one, it would seem perfect for the Roadeo I am building. Any info much appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS: Sugino Alpina Crankset, New, 170, 48-34
Got this for a project that will not come together. So this needs to go. $160 including shipping. Payment my papal personal option please. http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] WTT: 31.8 *for* 28.6 braze-on fd clamp
I've got a larger (Shimano) but need a smaller - anyone want to trade? Thanks =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: WTT: 31.8 *for* 28.6 braze-on fd clamp
Why not try a shim? Your LBS probably has them in stock and they perform so flawlessly that most manufacturers now only produce 31.8 fd clamps. Shimano makes a split style that comes with a bit of double sided tape that sticks it to the FD clamp before you tighten it down, and Wheels Mfg makes a ring style one that is held in place when you tighten the FD clamp. If you can't find any locally, they're available for around $5-7 online. On Aug 2, 4:53 pm, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a larger (Shimano) but need a smaller - anyone want to trade? Thanks =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
On Aug 2, 11:42 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to bully the thread, but I also called Merry Sales. They don't import it, and don't know what Sugino products they will add in 2011 until after Interbike in September. After Interbike, if they've decided to bring that model in, then they'd be in the pipeline maybe by Spring 2011. Obviously no hints at all about pricing. I'd be floored if it was under $500. If Merry/Riv or anyone else price this crank at $500, they might as well forget it. The market for this crank is way too small for that kind of price. The only people willing to pay that kind of price want lightweight and perhaps carbon. Neither of which applies to this crank. If there is any thoughts to selling this crank at a competitive price, it should be in the $150-200. There's no reason why this crank should be more expensive than say the Sugino Alpina sold by VO. Anything more and it is non-competitive. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
I think I'm waiting for the VO copy of the TA Pro 5 crankset. Supposed to take a 28 or 30 small chain ring. and hopefully under $200 smackers. That fancy smancy Sugino crankset uses an external BB... not something I would want. ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 2:48 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 2, 11:42 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to bully the thread, but I also called Merry Sales. They don't import it, and don't know what Sugino products they will add in 2011 until after Interbike in September. After Interbike, if they've decided to bring that model in, then they'd be in the pipeline maybe by Spring 2011. Obviously no hints at all about pricing. I'd be floored if it was under $500. If Merry/Riv or anyone else price this crank at $500, they might as well forget it. The market for this crank is way too small for that kind of price. The only people willing to pay that kind of price want lightweight and perhaps carbon. Neither of which applies to this crank. If there is any thoughts to selling this crank at a competitive price, it should be in the $150-200. There's no reason why this crank should be more expensive than say the Sugino Alpina sold by VO. Anything more and it is non-competitive. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTT: 31.8 *for* 28.6 braze-on fd clamp
Hmm. Thanks for the suggestion, Taylor. I'm guessing 1/16 shim stock might work just as well? =- Joe On 8/2/10, Taylor tpkr...@gmail.com wrote: Why not try a shim? Your LBS probably has them in stock and they perform so flawlessly that most manufacturers now only produce 31.8 fd clamps. Shimano makes a split style that comes with a bit of double sided tape that sticks it to the FD clamp before you tighten it down, and Wheels Mfg makes a ring style one that is held in place when you tighten the FD clamp. If you can't find any locally, they're available for around $5-7 online. On Aug 2, 4:53 pm, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a larger (Shimano) but need a smaller - anyone want to trade? Thanks =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Those Gran Cru cranks are slick and much more retro in look. Too bad for me that Chris K insists I can't tell the difference between 172.5mm and 170. They should be available any day now. 46/30 is going to be the right thing for a lot of things. On Aug 2, 3:20 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I think I'm waiting for the VO copy of the TA Pro 5 crankset. Supposed to take a 28 or 30 small chain ring. and hopefully under $200 smackers. That fancy smancy Sugino crankset uses an external BB... not something I would want. ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 2:48 pm, bfd bfd...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 2, 11:42 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry to bully the thread, but I also called Merry Sales. They don't import it, and don't know what Sugino products they will add in 2011 until after Interbike in September. After Interbike, if they've decided to bring that model in, then they'd be in the pipeline maybe by Spring 2011. Obviously no hints at all about pricing. I'd be floored if it was under $500. If Merry/Riv or anyone else price this crank at $500, they might as well forget it. The market for this crank is way too small for that kind of price. The only people willing to pay that kind of price want lightweight and perhaps carbon. Neither of which applies to this crank. If there is any thoughts to selling this crank at a competitive price, it should be in the $150-200. There's no reason why this crank should be more expensive than say the Sugino Alpina sold by VO. Anything more and it is non-competitive. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
I agree completely. No 172.5 makes it a non-starter for me, otherwise I would be very interested in a pair. I respect Chris for what he's doing for the Riv/VO/etc. aspect of the industry, but there are times when he's wrong, and his stance on 172.5's is one of those times. On Aug 2, 6:48 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Those Gran Cru cranks are slick and much more retro in look. Too bad for me that Chris K insists I can't tell the difference between 172.5mm and 170. They should be available any day now. 46/30 is going to be the right thing for a lot of things. On Aug -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] A supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...
... Larch Mountain on my Quickbeam from my house in Portland. About 80 or so miles round trip. The 14 mile climb up to Larch Mountain went by smoothly enough for the first 10 miles but the last 4 miles were rough, much tougher than anticipated. Still, I managed and got to take in some great views from Sherrard Pt. at the summit. I'll probably ride up there once more before the end of summer but doubt I'll do it on the Quickbeam. Here are some photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157624516053177/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I'm going to draw my own frame! Who else will follow along?
Did I miss step 4 somewhere? I had the PDF with step 3 and then the next one was step 5. Was that just an error? On Aug 2, 1:44 pm, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent! Now scan it and show the rest of us. It's critique time. Seriously, your approach sounds exactly like what I would do, and I'd love to see it. On Aug 2, 12:35 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I went ahead and worked ahead. Grant had us up to seat tube angle. I did chainstay next, and then seat tube length, which allowed me to connect the dots for my seatstays. Then I marked my saddle height and drew a level line from the saddle to the front end. I knew I wanted to be able to get the bars and saddle level with a Nitto Pearl stem. I ended up with a slightly sloping top tube (more slope than a Hilsen, less than a Bomba/Hillborne) and still had my standover at a comfortable level. Then I dropped the headtube angle to the ground and pulled back the trail, which positioned my front hub and established fork rake. I went ahead with the compass and spun the wheels in, and from that marked where I want the brake bridges. I kind of guessed where the downtube meets the headtube. But the thing is drawn. It's basically a slightly modified 58cm 650B Hilsen/ Saluki. On Jul 28, 10:00 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I think Laney College here in Oakland did aframebuilding class, as well as The Crucible, which is a vocational arts school with every kind of heat based trade (glass, welding, blacksmithing, etc). Maybe I should look into that. On Jul 27, 9:08 pm, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: I took a welding class (Welding for Artists, or something like that) at the local community college a few years ago and got to try everything and developed instant respect for the simplest welds in my life. I got to try both gas and electric and gas brazing and plasma cutting, and it's on my list. But teaching school science starting last week, 6 weeks too soon for me -maybe it's time to retire and ride and make bikes and whittle spoons and kuksas...need to gather school supplies... On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote: I did this: signed up for a framebuilding class, measured my youngest son who needed a good road bike, and built a virtual clone of my Rambouillet. The only change I made was to increase the fender clearance slightly under the headtube and the seat stay bridge since my Ram frankly runs at the minimum usable clearance with 28mm tires. The lugged bike turned out to be spectacular: it handles, if you can believe this, slightly better than the Ram (although I suspect that my handling test was biased due to less weight in the front bag). No matter; he loves the bike. I spent about twelve Sundays building this and loved every minute of it. If you can spare the time and cash, do it. Steve Ames, IA On Jul 27, 1:25 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Grant is apparently going to teach us how todrawa bikeframein his little step by step way. I'm going to follow along. I want a custom framethat somewhat resembles a 58cm 650B A. Homer Hilsen. The critical differences will be that I want it 130mm spaced and want it to be a lighter frameset. I don't know if I'll ever get this frameset made, or whether it will be a Rivendell or an Ebisu or a Davidson or something else. But I'm looking forward to drawing it. I've done a fair amount of drafting table work in Engineering school, but never went ahead and drew a bike. Looking forward to it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I'm going to draw my own frame! Who else will follow along?
Step 4 was seat tube angle: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/336/original_n4_seat_tube_angle.pdf On Aug 2, 5:37 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: Did I miss step 4 somewhere? I had the PDF with step 3 and then the next one was step 5. Was that just an error? On Aug 2, 1:44 pm, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent! Now scan it and show the rest of us. It's critique time. Seriously, your approach sounds exactly like what I would do, and I'd love to see it. On Aug 2, 12:35 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I went ahead and worked ahead. Grant had us up to seat tube angle. I did chainstay next, and then seat tube length, which allowed me to connect the dots for my seatstays. Then I marked my saddle height and drew a level line from the saddle to the front end. I knew I wanted to be able to get the bars and saddle level with a Nitto Pearl stem. I ended up with a slightly sloping top tube (more slope than a Hilsen, less than a Bomba/Hillborne) and still had my standover at a comfortable level. Then I dropped the headtube angle to the ground and pulled back the trail, which positioned my front hub and established fork rake. I went ahead with the compass and spun the wheels in, and from that marked where I want the brake bridges. I kind of guessed where the downtube meets the headtube. But the thing is drawn. It's basically a slightly modified 58cm 650B Hilsen/ Saluki. On Jul 28, 10:00 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I think Laney College here in Oakland did aframebuilding class, as well as The Crucible, which is a vocational arts school with every kind of heat based trade (glass, welding, blacksmithing, etc). Maybe I should look into that. On Jul 27, 9:08 pm, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: I took a welding class (Welding for Artists, or something like that) at the local community college a few years ago and got to try everything and developed instant respect for the simplest welds in my life. I got to try both gas and electric and gas brazing and plasma cutting, and it's on my list. But teaching school science starting last week, 6 weeks too soon for me -maybe it's time to retire and ride and make bikes and whittle spoons and kuksas...need to gather school supplies... On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote: I did this: signed up for a framebuilding class, measured my youngest son who needed a good road bike, and built a virtual clone of my Rambouillet. The only change I made was to increase the fender clearance slightly under the headtube and the seat stay bridge since my Ram frankly runs at the minimum usable clearance with 28mm tires. The lugged bike turned out to be spectacular: it handles, if you can believe this, slightly better than the Ram (although I suspect that my handling test was biased due to less weight in the front bag). No matter; he loves the bike. I spent about twelve Sundays building this and loved every minute of it. If you can spare the time and cash, do it. Steve Ames, IA On Jul 27, 1:25 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Grant is apparently going to teach us how todrawa bikeframein his little step by step way. I'm going to follow along. I want a custom framethat somewhat resembles a 58cm 650B A. Homer Hilsen. The critical differences will be that I want it 130mm spaced and want it to be a lighter frameset. I don't know if I'll ever get this frameset made, or whether it will be a Rivendell or an Ebisu or a Davidson or something else. But I'm looking forward to drawing it. I've done a fair amount of drafting table work in Engineering school, but never went ahead and drew a bike. Looking forward to it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Some comparative biking data
having a few spare minutes this week, I looked at the performance/weight ratios of my stable of 4 bikes. This will probably surprise no one, but there isn't much difference between them. The bike that feels fastest, and the one I ride when I want to keep up is actually third fastest, and so on. I weighed the bikes as they are currently built up. (I've had the Ram lighter before but have made some comfort based changes) Brass bells, leather saddles, racks, fenders, saddle bags (emptied out though, pedals, bottle cages. No tools or frame pumps. No carbon, no titanium anywhere. But real world weights. Relative speed is as compared to the fastest bike. Shame about how slow fastest is precludes my providing hard data points. There may be others who can relate. Rambouillet - 23 1/2 lbs Fastest Nashbar Mark III - 24 lbs+0.01 mph Riv Road - 24 lbs+0.5 mph Saluki - 29 lbs +0.82 mph Less than 1 mph separates all of them. The Nashbar is probably the fastest if all the miles were on the same course. I practice hills on it because I really like its mustache bars for climbing. It was originally designed along the lines of a crit racer, iirc. It's not my favorite for anything over 30 miles, as the position is a bit aggressive. The Riv road is what I prefer on medium to long rides at speed, and the Saluki for loaded longer hauls, or very steep grades with the 26 low ring that its prior owner thoughtfully provided. So how come the fastest bike and the one with the most miles over the years is the Ram? Because it's just about as perfect a fit as I can imagine and handles really well. And its easy on the eyes as well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Camping/Biking around Minneapolis area
Will agree with Bill on those. Also Lake Elmo Park Reserve in Washington County. East of St. Paul. Again, probably 30 or so miles from downtown Minneapolis. Slightly further out - William O'Brien State Park. About 40 miles from Minneapolis. Route is about half, or more on bike paths. (Confession, it's where I've done my S24O). Sadly, there used to be camping right in town. But that hasn't been the case for quite a few years. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 2, 12:21 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:04 AM, JB baile...@voyager.net wrote: Does anyone know of a campground in the Minneapolis area where a guy could drive to and then bike into the city on a bike trail? I may be visiting friends later in the year and would like to camp, but would want to leave my truck at the campsite and travel by bike while there. The Three Rivers parks will probably be the closest to town, though you'll still have a 20-30-mile ride from camp, depending on where you're heading in the city. The Carver Park campground is definitely accessible by bike path, some friends bike out there to camp last year.http://www.threeriversparks.org/activities/camping.aspx The U of M Cyclopath project is a great way to find bike routes around the Twin Cities metro area (it doesn't go past the outer 'burbs).http://cyclopath.org/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Sugino Crankset
Works for me... I prefer the 175's. I feel like I climb better with a longer crankarm. I'm a little concerned about Q factor though. I prefer something a little wider. ~Mike~ On Aug 2, 4:33 pm, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: I agree completely. No 172.5 makes it a non-starter for me, otherwise I would be very interested in a pair. I respect Chris for what he's doing for the Riv/VO/etc. aspect of the industry, but there are times when he's wrong, and his stance on 172.5's is one of those times. On Aug 2, 6:48 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Those Gran Cru cranks are slick and much more retro in look. Too bad for me that Chris K insists I can't tell the difference between 172.5mm and 170. They should be available any day now. 46/30 is going to be the right thing for a lot of things. On Aug- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...
Now I want to try it fixed! Ryan On Aug 2, 4:59 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: ... Larch Mountain on my Quickbeam from my house in Portland. About 80 or so miles round trip. The 14 mile climb up to Larch Mountain went by smoothly enough for the first 10 miles but the last 4 miles were rough, much tougher than anticipated. Still, I managed and got to take in some great views from Sherrard Pt. at the summit. I'll probably ride up there once more before the end of summer but doubt I'll do it on the Quickbeam. Here are some photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157624516053177/ --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Camping/Biking around Minneapolis area
Thanks All, 20 - 30 miles out is about where I wanted to be. A good ride in, spend some time visiting the city and then back for a good meal at camp and a good night's rest. Any ideas on good bike centric places to ride? John On Aug 2, 9:02 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Will agree with Bill on those. Also Lake Elmo Park Reserve in Washington County. East of St. Paul. Again, probably 30 or so miles from downtown Minneapolis. Slightly further out - William O'Brien State Park. About 40 miles from Minneapolis. Route is about half, or more on bike paths. (Confession, it's where I've done my S24O). Sadly, there used to be camping right in town. But that hasn't been the case for quite a few years. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 2, 12:21 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:04 AM, JB baile...@voyager.net wrote: Does anyone know of a campground in the Minneapolis area where a guy could drive to and then bike into the city on a bike trail? I may be visiting friends later in the year and would like to camp, but would want to leave my truck at the campsite and travel by bike while there. The Three Rivers parks will probably be the closest to town, though you'll still have a 20-30-mile ride from camp, depending on where you're heading in the city. The Carver Park campground is definitely accessible by bike path, some friends bike out there to camp last year.http://www.threeriversparks.org/activities/camping.aspx The U of M Cyclopath project is a great way to find bike routes around the Twin Cities metro area (it doesn't go past the outer 'burbs).http://cyclopath.org/ -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: I'm going to draw my own frame! Who else will follow along?
OK...that says step 3 on it so I assume it is just a number mishap. On Aug 2, 8:39 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Step 4 was seat tube angle: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/336/original_n4_seat_tube_angl... On Aug 2, 5:37 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: Did I miss step 4 somewhere? I had the PDF with step 3 and then the next one was step 5. Was that just an error? On Aug 2, 1:44 pm, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent! Now scan it and show the rest of us. It's critique time. Seriously, your approach sounds exactly like what I would do, and I'd love to see it. On Aug 2, 12:35 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I went ahead and worked ahead. Grant had us up to seat tube angle. I did chainstay next, and then seat tube length, which allowed me to connect the dots for my seatstays. Then I marked my saddle height and drew a level line from the saddle to the front end. I knew I wanted to be able to get the bars and saddle level with a Nitto Pearl stem. I ended up with a slightly sloping top tube (more slope than a Hilsen, less than a Bomba/Hillborne) and still had my standover at a comfortable level. Then I dropped the headtube angle to the ground and pulled back the trail, which positioned my front hub and established fork rake. I went ahead with the compass and spun the wheels in, and from that marked where I want the brake bridges. I kind of guessed where the downtube meets the headtube. But the thing is drawn. It's basically a slightly modified 58cm 650B Hilsen/ Saluki. On Jul 28, 10:00 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I think Laney College here in Oakland did aframebuilding class, as well as The Crucible, which is a vocational arts school with every kind of heat based trade (glass, welding, blacksmithing, etc). Maybe I should look into that. On Jul 27, 9:08 pm, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: I took a welding class (Welding for Artists, or something like that) at the local community college a few years ago and got to try everything and developed instant respect for the simplest welds in my life. I got to try both gas and electric and gas brazing and plasma cutting, and it's on my list. But teaching school science starting last week, 6 weeks too soon for me -maybe it's time to retire and ride and make bikes and whittle spoons and kuksas...need to gather school supplies... On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote: I did this: signed up for a framebuilding class, measured my youngest son who needed a good road bike, and built a virtual clone of my Rambouillet. The only change I made was to increase the fender clearance slightly under the headtube and the seat stay bridge since my Ram frankly runs at the minimum usable clearance with 28mm tires. The lugged bike turned out to be spectacular: it handles, if you can believe this, slightly better than the Ram (although I suspect that my handling test was biased due to less weight in the front bag). No matter; he loves the bike. I spent about twelve Sundays building this and loved every minute of it. If you can spare the time and cash, do it. Steve Ames, IA On Jul 27, 1:25 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Grant is apparently going to teach us how todrawa bikeframein his little step by step way. I'm going to follow along. I want a custom framethat somewhat resembles a 58cm 650B A. Homer Hilsen. The critical differences will be that I want it 130mm spaced and want it to be a lighter frameset. I don't know if I'll ever get this frameset made, or whether it will be a Rivendell or an Ebisu or a Davidson or something else. But I'm looking forward to drawing it. I've done a fair amount of drafting table work in Engineering school, but never went ahead and drew a bike. Looking forward to it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: [RBW] Re: I'm going to draw my own frame! Who else will follow along?
Actually the first PDF wasn't labeled with a number as it just showed the materials list (protractor, etc.) The second pdf was the first step in the actual drawing and so on from there... Aloha On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.netwrote: OK...that says step 3 on it so I assume it is just a number mishap. On Aug 2, 8:39 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Step 4 was seat tube angle: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/336/original_n4_seat_tube_angl... On Aug 2, 5:37 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: Did I miss step 4 somewhere? I had the PDF with step 3 and then the next one was step 5. Was that just an error? On Aug 2, 1:44 pm, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent! Now scan it and show the rest of us. It's critique time. Seriously, your approach sounds exactly like what I would do, and I'd love to see it. On Aug 2, 12:35 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I went ahead and worked ahead. Grant had us up to seat tube angle. I did chainstay next, and then seat tube length, which allowed me to connect the dots for my seatstays. Then I marked my saddle height and drew a level line from the saddle to the front end. I knew I wanted to be able to get the bars and saddle level with a Nitto Pearl stem. I ended up with a slightly sloping top tube (more slope than a Hilsen, less than a Bomba/Hillborne) and still had my standover at a comfortable level. Then I dropped the headtube angle to the ground and pulled back the trail, which positioned my front hub and established fork rake. I went ahead with the compass and spun the wheels in, and from that marked where I want the brake bridges. I kind of guessed where the downtube meets the headtube. But the thing is drawn. It's basically a slightly modified 58cm 650B Hilsen/ Saluki. On Jul 28, 10:00 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I think Laney College here in Oakland did aframebuilding class, as well as The Crucible, which is a vocational arts school with every kind of heat based trade (glass, welding, blacksmithing, etc). Maybe I should look into that. On Jul 27, 9:08 pm, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: I took a welding class (Welding for Artists, or something like that) at the local community college a few years ago and got to try everything and developed instant respect for the simplest welds in my life. I got to try both gas and electric and gas brazing and plasma cutting, and it's on my list. But teaching school science starting last week, 6 weeks too soon for me -maybe it's time to retire and ride and make bikes and whittle spoons and kuksas...need to gather school supplies... On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote: I did this: signed up for a framebuilding class, measured my youngest son who needed a good road bike, and built a virtual clone of my Rambouillet. The only change I made was to increase the fender clearance slightly under the headtube and the seat stay bridge since my Ram frankly runs at the minimum usable clearance with 28mm tires. The lugged bike turned out to be spectacular: it handles, if you can believe this, slightly better than the Ram (although I suspect that my handling test was biased due to less weight in the front bag). No matter; he loves the bike. I spent about twelve Sundays building this and loved every minute of it. If you can spare the time and cash, do it. Steve Ames, IA On Jul 27, 1:25 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Grant is apparently going to teach us how todrawa bikeframein his little step by step way. I'm going to follow along. I want a custom framethat somewhat resembles a 58cm 650B A. Homer Hilsen. The critical differences will be that I want it 130mm spaced and want it to be a lighter frameset. I don't know if I'll ever get this frameset made, or whether it will be a Rivendell or an Ebisu or a Davidson or something else. But I'm looking forward to drawing it. I've done a fair amount of drafting table work in Engineering school, but never went ahead and drew a bike. Looking forward to it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: I'm going to draw my own frame! Who else will follow along?
Whoops, now I see what you mean. I guess the numbering caught up to itself. :-) Just ignore my last post. Sigh. Bob On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.comwrote: Actually the first PDF wasn't labeled with a number as it just showed the materials list (protractor, etc.) The second pdf was the first step in the actual drawing and so on from there... Aloha On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.netwrote: OK...that says step 3 on it so I assume it is just a number mishap. On Aug 2, 8:39 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Step 4 was seat tube angle: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/336/original_n4_seat_tube_angl. .. On Aug 2, 5:37 pm, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: Did I miss step 4 somewhere? I had the PDF with step 3 and then the next one was step 5. Was that just an error? On Aug 2, 1:44 pm, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent! Now scan it and show the rest of us. It's critique time. Seriously, your approach sounds exactly like what I would do, and I'd love to see it. On Aug 2, 12:35 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I went ahead and worked ahead. Grant had us up to seat tube angle. I did chainstay next, and then seat tube length, which allowed me to connect the dots for my seatstays. Then I marked my saddle height and drew a level line from the saddle to the front end. I knew I wanted to be able to get the bars and saddle level with a Nitto Pearl stem. I ended up with a slightly sloping top tube (more slope than a Hilsen, less than a Bomba/Hillborne) and still had my standover at a comfortable level. Then I dropped the headtube angle to the ground and pulled back the trail, which positioned my front hub and established fork rake. I went ahead with the compass and spun the wheels in, and from that marked where I want the brake bridges. I kind of guessed where the downtube meets the headtube. But the thing is drawn. It's basically a slightly modified 58cm 650B Hilsen/ Saluki. On Jul 28, 10:00 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I think Laney College here in Oakland did aframebuilding class, as well as The Crucible, which is a vocational arts school with every kind of heat based trade (glass, welding, blacksmithing, etc). Maybe I should look into that. On Jul 27, 9:08 pm, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: I took a welding class (Welding for Artists, or something like that) at the local community college a few years ago and got to try everything and developed instant respect for the simplest welds in my life. I got to try both gas and electric and gas brazing and plasma cutting, and it's on my list. But teaching school science starting last week, 6 weeks too soon for me -maybe it's time to retire and ride and make bikes and whittle spoons and kuksas...need to gather school supplies... On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Steve sring...@gmail.com wrote: I did this: signed up for a framebuilding class, measured my youngest son who needed a good road bike, and built a virtual clone of my Rambouillet. The only change I made was to increase the fender clearance slightly under the headtube and the seat stay bridge since my Ram frankly runs at the minimum usable clearance with 28mm tires. The lugged bike turned out to be spectacular: it handles, if you can believe this, slightly better than the Ram (although I suspect that my handling test was biased due to less weight in the front bag). No matter; he loves the bike. I spent about twelve Sundays building this and loved every minute of it. If you can spare the time and cash, do it. Steve Ames, IA On Jul 27, 1:25 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Grant is apparently going to teach us how todrawa bikeframein his little step by step way. I'm going to follow along. I want a custom framethat somewhat resembles a 58cm 650B A. Homer Hilsen. The critical differences will be that I want it 130mm spaced and want it to be a lighter frameset. I don't know if I'll ever get this frameset made, or whether it will be a Rivendell or an Ebisu or a Davidson or something else. But I'm looking forward to drawing it. I've done a fair amount of drafting table work in Engineering school, but never went ahead and drew a bike. Looking forward to it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
[RBW] Re: Some comparative biking data
What i think is even most interesting is that the bike you ride when you want to keep up (which i take to mean go fast) isn't the fastest. I think that the type of riding you do on a bike would have more to do with the average speed than the weight of the bike itself. If I rode my go-fast bike to get groceries I would anticipate my average speed would be about 1/2 of what it is on a group ride. This isn't due to the bike but the task. If I had a heavier bike I only rode downhill I would expect the average speed to be higher than on lighter bikes over mixed terrain. Looking at your numbers, it seems like either your go-fast bike is slowing you down(fit?), the group is slower than you are (those your are keeping up with), or the some other intangible (type of riding, terrain) is affecting the numbers. I am betting it is not the weight of the bikes-- or only to a very small degree. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] A supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: ... Larch Mountain on my Quickbeam from my house in Portland. About 80 or so miles round trip. The 14 mile climb up to Larch Mountain went by smoothly enough for the first 10 miles but the last 4 miles were rough, much tougher than anticipated. Still, I managed and got to take in some great views from Sherrard Pt. at the summit. I'll probably ride up there once more before the end of summer but doubt I'll do it on the Quickbeam. Here are some photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157624516053177/ Looks beautiful! I've found climbing easier on a fixed gear bike, but i haven't done any over 14 miles (there aren't any around here). Also: DFW FTW. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Camping/Biking around Minneapolis area
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 8:19 PM, JB baile...@voyager.net wrote: Thanks All, 20 - 30 miles out is about where I wanted to be. A good ride in, spend some time visiting the city and then back for a good meal at camp and a good night's rest. Any ideas on good bike centric places to ride? Check out the Minneapolis Midtown Greenway and the Cedar Lake Trail, our bike superhighways. There's also nice riding along the river roads (either side), Summit Avenue in St. Paul and downtown Mpls. Hiawatha Cyclery is the only shop in town that carries Rivendells (they had 2 Hillbournes on the floor last week) and is worth a stop, as is One On One bikes downtown, Freewheel bikes on the Greenway, and Angry Catfish Coffee and Bikes in South Mpls. A great way to start is to pick up the Twin Cities Bike Map in any bike shop, that'll have a good reference for off-street trails and on-street biking routes around town. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Crank Length (was New Sugino Cranks)
William wrote: ...Too bad for me that Chris K insists I can't tell the difference between 172.5mm and 170. and pruckelshaus added: I agree completely. No 172.5 makes it a non-starter for me Interestingly, I used to feel the same way. Recently, though, I took the vintage 1986 Dura Ace group off the tiny Shogun and put it on my vintage 1978ish racing frame. The crank in that group is a 165. I went for a 40k ride on it and, while I'd have to say I think I noticed a difference from my usual 172.5, I did NOT notice any difference in road speed. I did feel like I naturally rode at a slightly higher cadence. Whatever difference I felt was definitely not worse, and maybe was better. It really opened my mind up to where I'd use 170 instead of my normal 172.5 on any road bike. I didn't do any significant climbing, but I wouldn't expect that to change my mind. Ted Durant Milwaukee, WI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Who's riding RAGBRAI?
I saw and briefly met Kelly on his very handsome and stylish Quickbeam. Spotted another Atlantis and a few Rambouillet. Had a fantastic tour on my Atlantis. Managed to ride from Faribault, MN to Sioux City, IA to join in the fun of RAGBRAI for 4 days, then rode back home. Finished up 761 miles in 8 days of riding. The Atlantis was set up with Nitto racks front and rear, Arkel bags all around and a Wald basket zip tied up front for miscellaneous. For those of you curious, the bike without bags but with racks, fenders, and basket = 42 pounds. Empty bags added another 9 pounds. I traveled with 36 pounds of clothing, food, tent, sleeping bag, sleeping pad, tools, etc. Total loaded bicycle = 87 pounds plus another 180 pounds of rider. My days were Faribault, MN to Saint James, MN 100 Paullina, IA 137 Sioux City, IA 85 Storm Lake, IA 70 Algona, IA 81 Clear Lake, IA 62 Charles City, IA 54 Roseville, MN 172 On Jul 21, 3:05 pm, Kelly kingtw...@gmail.com wrote: I'm getting packed up for the drive out to Iowa and thought I'd ask, who's ridingRagbrai? This will be my first time ridingRagbrai, and I'm very excited. I'll be riding my orange Quickbeam, and this seems the best year to do it. The main two gearing combinations I'll be using are 40 x 15 and 32 x 15. I'll also have the 32 x 18 on the flip side if I really need it the last day. Who else is ridingRagbrai? I'm hoping to see quite a few Rivendells on the ride. Any last minute suggestions from veteranRagbrairiders? Thanks, and I'll see you on the route! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...
Looks like it was a great ride, Mike. Hey man, let me know when you ride out again on a Monday. I'm game for anything local on my Quickbeam! On Aug 2, 7:07 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: ... Larch Mountain on my Quickbeam from my house in Portland. About 80 or so miles round trip. The 14 mile climb up to Larch Mountain went by smoothly enough for the first 10 miles but the last 4 miles were rough, much tougher than anticipated. Still, I managed and got to take in some great views from Sherrard Pt. at the summit. I'll probably ride up there once more before the end of summer but doubt I'll do it on the Quickbeam. Here are some photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157624516053177/ Looks beautiful! I've found climbing easier on a fixed gear bike, but i haven't done any over 14 miles (there aren't any around here). Also: DFW FTW. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Crank Length (was New Sugino Cranks)
This saddens me. I'm definitely feeling a difference between those two sizings. I'd be very interested in teh traditional looking Grand Cru in my size. On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Ted Durant teddur...@sbcglobal.net wrote: William wrote: ...Too bad for me that Chris K insists I can't tell the difference between 172.5mm and 170. and pruckelshaus added: I agree completely. No 172.5 makes it a non-starter for me Interestingly, I used to feel the same way. Recently, though, I took the vintage 1986 Dura Ace group off the tiny Shogun and put it on my vintage 1978ish racing frame. The crank in that group is a 165. I went for a 40k ride on it and, while I'd have to say I think I noticed a difference from my usual 172.5, I did NOT notice any difference in road speed. I did feel like I naturally rode at a slightly higher cadence. Whatever difference I felt was definitely not worse, and maybe was better. It really opened my mind up to where I'd use 170 instead of my normal 172.5 on any road bike. I didn't do any significant climbing, but I wouldn't expect that to change my mind. Ted Durant Milwaukee, WI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Ken Freeman Ann Arbor, MI USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: A supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...
It would be a tough descent fixed, but yeah, climbing fixed would be the way to go, especially if you didn't have 10lbs of crap in the basket. @Ron, sorry I didn't touch base with you. I left pretty early, before 8am. --mike On Aug 2, 6:13 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Now I want to try it fixed! Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
