[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[Corwin]

You may think I am paranoid, but I would never use a U lock or a cable
lock on a bike I am leaving outside. I see way too many broken u-locks
and cut cables.

Whenever possible, I use attended bike parking - we are very fortunate
in the SF Bay Area to have several such facilities. If you frequent
downtown Berkeley, you can get a smart card, enabling you to use the
downtown Berkeley (or any other) Bikestation at the rate of one penny
per hour. This is especially convenient if I am coming home after a
concert, play movie, etc. and the attended parking area of the
Bikestation is closed. The Bikestation has restrooms, lots of racks
and several small lockers (for personal items other than bikes).

When I take my bike to work, I park it in my office.

When I there is no alternative but to park my bike outside, I use a
Quadrachain together with a Mul-t-lock. This is a rather heavy
solution, but is easily carried in my Burley Nomad. The Mul-t-lock is
virtually unbeatable. Boron hasp, unpickable keyway, keyed like the
rest of my Mul-t-locks.

CZ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Remembrance Day Ride

[cyclotourist]

Looks like one of the Pac-Man ghosts.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Mike  wrote:

> Very very funny!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5167414185/in/dateposted/
>
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[RBW] Re: Remembrance Day Ride

[Mike]

Very very funny!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5167414185/in/dateposted/

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[RBW] Remembrance Day Ride

[cyclotourist]

Now with slick tires!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/archives/date-posted/2010/11/11/

All I can say is, Saturday's ride is going to kill me.

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[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?

[William]

I'm wondering if I can expand my newly discovered frame drawing/
designing skills from the Grant tutorial to plot out my ideal tandem.
For starters, I could draw up a 56cm Bombadil for the front end.
Figure out the 50cm Saluki back end that my stoker would need, and
then just figure out where the up tubes or lnng transverse
diagonals would go to connect it up.  650B of course.  That could be
really fun!



On Nov 11, 11:39 am, manueljohnacosta 
wrote:
> Thanks for all the advice!
> Great thing about this whole experience is that my girlfriend actually
> wouldn't mind buying a tandem with me. So this might be in the near
> future if we can find a used tandem our size or if Rivendell puts up
> plans on making a tandem. Ultimately our goal is to go on a bike tour
> together so plans on getting a tandem that not only has rack braze ons
> but also is portable led me to this nifty tandem folder from Bike
> Friday.
>
> http://community.bikefriday.com/twosday?styleId=0
>
> Does any one have any experience with this tandem?
>  Also as a added bonus here was pictures of said ride. Our previous
> experiences riding together ended up with us being very disconnected
> because our different riding styles. I was either too bored of the
> pace that we were going or the route would be too hard for her.
> Previous attempts of riding "together" ended up in disaster when we
> both fell trying to ride while holding hands ( We thought it was a
> good idea at the time). So knowing that cycling was something we both
> enjoyed but was hard to compromise we decided to rent a tandem. So off
> we went  to the city to rent a tandem bike from Blazing Saddles. Their
> service was outstanding even if it seemed a little corny. Explaining
> us the route and safety concerns like we weren't from there already.
> The first few minutes of riding was shaking but once we got a hang of
> it we started to have some fun. Our riding and our communication
> seemed more in-sync and we both got to enjoy the beauty of riding
> together. She enjoyed it so much that she wanted to try renting out
> another one again.
>
> Pictures proved that it 
> happen.http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157625363002708/
>
> Manny
>
> On Nov 11, 10:54 am, erik jensen  wrote:
>
> > perfect.
>
> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:34 PM, CycloFiend 
> > wrote:
>
> > > Remember, where ever your relationship is going, a tandem will get it 
> > > there
> > > faster... ;^)
>
> > > - Jim
>
> > > --
>
> > oakland, ca
> > bikenoir.blogspot.com
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[erik jensen]

it never hurts to through that now-unused cable lock around your bikes, when
inside, too.


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:31 AM, mike  wrote:

> Do get a U-Lock and use it. Replace any quick-releases on your wheels
> and seatpost with bolts that require some kind of tool. Doesn't need
> to be the magical locking variety. Wrap a cable around your wheels and
> saddle if your bike will be parked there all day, but it is onerous so
> don't feel like you need to do it every time you stop at a store.
>
> Bike theft in the area is more opportunistic than targeted. Unlocked
> bikes in backyards are stolen. Lights that clamp onto handlebars are
> stolen. Worst case: a garage is broken into and the crooks may or may
> not know which bike is worth more.
>
> If your bags come off easy, take them with you. If it's a complex
> unlocking/unwrapping operation, don't worry about it if you're just
> shopping. Maybe worry about it if you're leaving your bike exposed and
> alone all day long.
>
> Get a BikeLink Card (http://www.bikelink.org/) which will let you put
> your bike (and luggage!) in fully enclosed cage lockers at BART
> stations for pennies per hour. There's also a new bike parking station
> in downtown Berkeley.
>
> Always do a walk around the front of the Berkeley Bowl to see if there
> are any other Rivs locked up. Ogle them.
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[RBW] Re: What's your winter project?

[Ely Rodriguez]

Our winter in SF consists of rain and shorter daylight, so to prepare
for winter means making sure the bikes have fenders and adequate
lights.
Only my Bridgestone RB-1 road bike has no fenders or permanent lights
mounted.

I'm preparing a bike to leave in Boston, where we go go every winter
for a few weeks and about a month in the summer.
It's a Bruce Gordon BLT with S and S couplers, and  I brazed down tube
shifters onto.
It's made up of extra parts laying around. It'll have two sets of
tires, 23's for long road rides and fat 35's for the snow and slush.
I've got some VO constructeur racks and fat steel fenders for it, but
I may not bring them this time, I'm not sure if it'll fit into the S
and S bag that I sewed for it, made up of cordura and heavyweight 24oz
cotton duck. 26x26x10. It actually turned out great!!!

My other winter project is rigging up a few of our bikes with lights.
My wifes RB-1 needs a rear gen.light for her shimano dynamo wheel and
front light.
My Ti rando needs a rear gen.light for the Schmidt/B+M.
My fixed Bridgestone RB has a shimano B+M front and rear,
but I'd like to run the wiring inside the frame and under the fender
on the fixed. I'll get it done by December or so.
All of the above bikes have fenders.

The other thing I have going on is the 1902 Singer 29-2 sewing machine
that sews leather. I picked it up for free off of craigslist from a
retired shoe maker. I've made a bunch of bags and this thing goes
through the thickest leather like its butter. I'm still learning how
to use it. My stitches on this are all wonky. It's going to take a
long time and a lot of messed up rando bags to figure it out.

My last ongoing project is practicing brazing on my fixed. dyanamo
wire guides, fender and rack mounts, light tabs, all that stuff, just
braze ons. no frame brazing.



On Nov 8, 10:10 am, William  wrote:
> As the weather turns cooler, I am starting to dwell on winter
> projects.  A lot of them are home and family related, but some of them
> are Riv-ish, so I thought I would share.  In 2010 I pretty much
> overhauled my stable of bikes, and now am almost 100% dial
ed.  So I'm
> not due for any complete overhauls.  I am building a second
> configuration for my Bombadil.  It's set up for dedicated dirt riding
> now, but I'll be putting together a Campeur kit for it this winter
> (drop bars, fenders, racks, bags).  So next time a week-plus touring
> opportunity presents itself, the Bombadil will be the bike for it.
>
> What do you do in the winter?  Overhaul your favorite bike?  Go
> through the parts stash and clean house?  Start up a new bike
> project?  Take on a restoration?

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[RBW] FS: Nitto, Tubus, Carradice items etc.

[msrw]

I have a few items for commuter, touring and tandem use that I thought
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[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[mike]

Do get a U-Lock and use it. Replace any quick-releases on your wheels
and seatpost with bolts that require some kind of tool. Doesn't need
to be the magical locking variety. Wrap a cable around your wheels and
saddle if your bike will be parked there all day, but it is onerous so
don't feel like you need to do it every time you stop at a store.

Bike theft in the area is more opportunistic than targeted. Unlocked
bikes in backyards are stolen. Lights that clamp onto handlebars are
stolen. Worst case: a garage is broken into and the crooks may or may
not know which bike is worth more.

If your bags come off easy, take them with you. If it's a complex
unlocking/unwrapping operation, don't worry about it if you're just
shopping. Maybe worry about it if you're leaving your bike exposed and
alone all day long.

Get a BikeLink Card (http://www.bikelink.org/) which will let you put
your bike (and luggage!) in fully enclosed cage lockers at BART
stations for pennies per hour. There's also a new bike parking station
in downtown Berkeley.

Always do a walk around the front of the Berkeley Bowl to see if there
are any other Rivs locked up. Ogle them.

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[RBW] Re: AHH on order

[dhk42]

I think my BB options may be a bit constrained because I am looking
for a longer (non-standard) crank. I'll check. My front gear options
aren't huge if I stay away from custom.

Jay has suggested 180mm for me. As with everything else we are
discussing, I don't have any experience to use as the basis for a
decision, but it makes sense to me that I would want a longer crank.
I've read a lot about it and Zinn would put me (100cm inseam) on a
200mm+ crank. Riv has Zinn custom 195's in stock.

But after doing some gear ratio math (which I have never ever done
before) it is clear that crank length has a profound effect on gearing
and - at least according to the numbers - makes the gears effectively
lower. So a very long crank, in addition to being very expensive. is
very oddball. So I thought I'd just go with the 180's and live with
whatever constraints that entails.

David

On Nov 11, 12:49 pm, MichaelH  wrote:
> PW for a BB though, don't even
> think about anything else, unless you really need to cut some $ out of
> the project, then go $45 generic sealed.

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[RBW] Re: AHH on order

[dhk42]

Thanks. No, I actually hadn't and I am glad you pointed it out.

But after thinking about it I am not sure that I'll ride in the dark
enough to make it worthwhile (either in terms of initial cost or
hassle + cost of maintenance). It is kind of a hard trade off to make
these days because LED lights are getting better and cheaper all the
time (at least outside of the bike world - I assume it translates).

David

On Nov 9, 1:02 pm, kuma  wrote:

> Before you make a decision about hubs, have you considered a dynamo
> hub?  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[Horace]

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Horace  wrote:

> Definitely get a good U-lock. I've had a bike stolen that was u-locked to a
> parking meter in downtown Berkeley (a number of years ago).
>
>
(In the middle of the day while I was at work.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[Horace]

Definitely get a good U-lock. I've had a bike stolen that was u-locked to a
parking meter in downtown Berkeley (a number of years ago).


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:50 AM, erik jensen  wrote:

> Get a good u-lock, I might use a too-heavy one at night (new york krypto)
> but prefer knowing at least the frame will be there for me while I'm inside
> a concert or otherwise. Use a good locking skewer for the other unlocked
> wheel (you can save money by splitting it up across a couple bikes, and just
> locking different wheels). Leave as little room as possible for squeezing a
> pump into the ulock. My messenger buddy uses skewers on both, a the smallest
> possible ulock--barely clears his frame and a parking meter. That's a good
> way to go, too, but harder sometimes with racked bicycles.
>
> At this point, the worst that could happen is theft of your seat.
>
> I throw a plastic bag over mine during the night, and will do the same with
> a seatbag. Seems to do the trick well enough, though of course you can get
> particularly unlucky--in any town.
>
> I used to do the auxilary cable technique to secure my junk, until I saw
> somebody saw through one with a serrated knife in about 30 seconds. Since
> then, I just keep it all dirty and park where there are eyes on the street.
>
> I've had plenty of lights stolen, but just the cheap kind (well, 30 dollars
> isn't super-cheap, but it isn't a phil hub). Knock on wood, never a bicycle.
>
> ~erik
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:05 AM, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Interesting and excellent point!  Particularly a concern in a high theft
>> area.  I don't have that problem, at least not hugely...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Lee  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey David. Hmmm, I've known about the Sheldon locking strategy and the
>>> only thing that concerns me is someone who doesn't know much about
>>> bikes coming by and undoing my quick releases and trying to remove the
>>> frame and finding out it can't be done. Then, just dropping the frame
>>> to the pavement. I'm worried that the person might damage the frame/
>>> wheel when tugging or when ditching the attempt. I don't know if this
>>> has every happened to anyone in the real world, though.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lee
>>>
>>> On Nov 11, 9:18 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>>> > Lee, what are your thoughts on the seat tube lock point vs. rear wheel
>>> lock
>>> > point (aka Sheldon technique<
>>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html>)?
>>> >
>>> > I typically do the Sheldon, but have always wondered if it's good
>>> enough...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Lee  wrote:
>>> > > Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my
>>> > > lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked
>>> > > by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of
>>> > > barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less
>>> > > beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running
>>> around
>>> > > San Francisco.
>>> >
>>> > > The pics:
>>> > >http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb
>>> > >http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj
>>> >
>>> > > Best,
>>> > > Lee
>>> >
>>> > > On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee  wrote:
>>> > > > Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South
>>> Bay
>>> > > > areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a
>>> > > > cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end
>>> > > > bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak
>>> > > > locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable
>>> locks
>>> > > > act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any
>>> > > > given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and
>>> > > > find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter.
>>> >
>>> > > > I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside
>>> > > > during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend
>>> and
>>> > > > nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or
>>> > > > Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have
>>> a
>>> > > > B&M Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool
>>> > > > pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat
>>> stay.
>>> > > > My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the
>>> > > > saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike
>>> rack
>>> > > > with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually
>>> take
>>> > > > my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area,
>>> I
>>> > > > may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on
>>> my
>>> > > > bike regardless of time or place.
>>> >
>>> > > > The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame
>>> and
>>> > > > u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping
>>> that
>>> > > > a bike thief won't try to get through that 

[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?

[manueljohnacosta]

Thanks for all the advice!
Great thing about this whole experience is that my girlfriend actually
wouldn't mind buying a tandem with me. So this might be in the near
future if we can find a used tandem our size or if Rivendell puts up
plans on making a tandem. Ultimately our goal is to go on a bike tour
together so plans on getting a tandem that not only has rack braze ons
but also is portable led me to this nifty tandem folder from Bike
Friday.

http://community.bikefriday.com/twosday?styleId=0

Does any one have any experience with this tandem?
 Also as a added bonus here was pictures of said ride. Our previous
experiences riding together ended up with us being very disconnected
because our different riding styles. I was either too bored of the
pace that we were going or the route would be too hard for her.
Previous attempts of riding "together" ended up in disaster when we
both fell trying to ride while holding hands ( We thought it was a
good idea at the time). So knowing that cycling was something we both
enjoyed but was hard to compromise we decided to rent a tandem. So off
we went  to the city to rent a tandem bike from Blazing Saddles. Their
service was outstanding even if it seemed a little corny. Explaining
us the route and safety concerns like we weren't from there already.
The first few minutes of riding was shaking but once we got a hang of
it we started to have some fun. Our riding and our communication
seemed more in-sync and we both got to enjoy the beauty of riding
together. She enjoyed it so much that she wanted to try renting out
another one again.

Pictures proved that it happen.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157625363002708/

Manny

On Nov 11, 10:54 am, erik jensen  wrote:
> perfect.
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:34 PM, CycloFiend wrote:
>
>
>
> > Remember, where ever your relationship is going, a tandem will get it there
> > faster... ;^)
>
> > - Jim
>
> > --
>
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> bikenoir.blogspot.com

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[RBW] FS: PowerGrips

[Dave Faller]

I have a set of black PowerGrips, complete with all hardware, that I'd
like to see go to a new home.  I tried them for a few test rides (like
less than three miles) and they're just not for me.

$20, free shipping in CONUS.

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[RBW] Re: Packing it in!

[Mike]

I really like all of the Riv videos. They had one up for a few minutes
the other day about how to ride from BART to RBWHQ but took it down
soon after. It was pretty funny with Vaughn riding around Walnut Creek
in his shaman's cape. Hopefully him and Jay are working on some new
ride videos.

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Re: [RBW] Any Tandems?

[erik jensen]

perfect.

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:34 PM, CycloFiend wrote:

>
> Remember, where ever your relationship is going, a tandem will get it there
> faster... ;^)
>
> - Jim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[erik jensen]

Get a good u-lock, I might use a too-heavy one at night (new york krypto)
but prefer knowing at least the frame will be there for me while I'm inside
a concert or otherwise. Use a good locking skewer for the other unlocked
wheel (you can save money by splitting it up across a couple bikes, and just
locking different wheels). Leave as little room as possible for squeezing a
pump into the ulock. My messenger buddy uses skewers on both, a the smallest
possible ulock--barely clears his frame and a parking meter. That's a good
way to go, too, but harder sometimes with racked bicycles.

At this point, the worst that could happen is theft of your seat.

I throw a plastic bag over mine during the night, and will do the same with
a seatbag. Seems to do the trick well enough, though of course you can get
particularly unlucky--in any town.

I used to do the auxilary cable technique to secure my junk, until I saw
somebody saw through one with a serrated knife in about 30 seconds. Since
then, I just keep it all dirty and park where there are eyes on the street.

I've had plenty of lights stolen, but just the cheap kind (well, 30 dollars
isn't super-cheap, but it isn't a phil hub). Knock on wood, never a bicycle.

~erik

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:05 AM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Interesting and excellent point!  Particularly a concern in a high theft
> area.  I don't have that problem, at least not hugely...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Lee  wrote:
>
>> Hey David. Hmmm, I've known about the Sheldon locking strategy and the
>> only thing that concerns me is someone who doesn't know much about
>> bikes coming by and undoing my quick releases and trying to remove the
>> frame and finding out it can't be done. Then, just dropping the frame
>> to the pavement. I'm worried that the person might damage the frame/
>> wheel when tugging or when ditching the attempt. I don't know if this
>> has every happened to anyone in the real world, though.
>>
>> Best,
>> Lee
>>
>> On Nov 11, 9:18 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
>> > Lee, what are your thoughts on the seat tube lock point vs. rear wheel
>> lock
>> > point (aka Sheldon technique<
>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html>)?
>> >
>> > I typically do the Sheldon, but have always wondered if it's good
>> enough...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Lee  wrote:
>> > > Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my
>> > > lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked
>> > > by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of
>> > > barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less
>> > > beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running around
>> > > San Francisco.
>> >
>> > > The pics:
>> > >http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb
>> > >http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj
>> >
>> > > Best,
>> > > Lee
>> >
>> > > On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee  wrote:
>> > > > Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay
>> > > > areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a
>> > > > cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end
>> > > > bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak
>> > > > locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable
>> locks
>> > > > act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any
>> > > > given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and
>> > > > find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter.
>> >
>> > > > I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside
>> > > > during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend
>> and
>> > > > nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or
>> > > > Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a
>> > > > B&M Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool
>> > > > pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat
>> stay.
>> > > > My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the
>> > > > saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike
>> rack
>> > > > with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take
>> > > > my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area,
>> I
>> > > > may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my
>> > > > bike regardless of time or place.
>> >
>> > > > The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame
>> and
>> > > > u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping
>> that
>> > > > a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or
>> a
>> > > > Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely
>> > > > accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right
>> now.
>> > > > Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll
>> > > > have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. 

[RBW] Re: Packing it in!

[doug peterson]

Good stuff.  The only change I'd make is to use pipe insulation to
protect the frame tubes instead of bubble wrap if you are shipping a
bike for a tour & will need to re-ship it back afterwards.  Pipe
insulation can be re-used multiple times.  I especially like the foam
blocks to protect the fork and seat tube area.  Another one jammed
over the chainrings would be a good addition.

dougP

On Nov 8, 5:08 pm, Marty  wrote:
> Great new vid showing the Riv-tastic packing method for complete bikes
> on the site. Of course, I always shellack my boxes, and use hemp twine
> rather than packing tape, but that's just me.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/249sqd3
>
> Marty

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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH on order

[cyclotourist]

The SKF BBs sure seem good:  http://www.compasscycle.com/SKFbb.html

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:49 AM, MichaelH  wrote:

> I rode cup and cone hubs for 30 years and know that a good set is
> relatively  easy to maintain and with regular overhauls will last a
> very, very long time.  But since I live two miles down a dirt road and
> ride a lot of muddy roads, I got tired of maintenance work.  PW &
> White hubs have better seals than any cup and cone design available.
> People tell me that the PW will outlast the White, but I may not be
> live long enough to prove that.  White's are $100 a set less than PW,
> which makes them pretty attractive.  PW for a BB though, don't even
> think about anything else, unless you really need to cut some $ out of
> the project, then go $45 generic sealed.
>
> michael
>
> On Nov 11, 10:48 am, William  wrote:
> > I agree with MBB.  If the OP asked what the best value in a hubset
> > was, I would pile in with XT.  Particularly, in my opinion, mid-90s
> > vintage XT.  They can be had for a song.  Especially if you can build
> > wheels, they are the kind of thing you can stock up on and forget
> > about needing a hub for literally the rest of your life.  On a
> > somewhat related note, I'll posit the opinion that front hubs are a
> > dime a dozen, and while I can think of a couple bad things that a
> > terrible front hub might do, there is essentially zero differentiation
> > between good ones...unless you talk dynamos of course.
> >
> > Since the OP asked if Phil were worth the money, I answered yes.  Are
> > they the best dollar for dollar value on the simple trade off between
> > performance and dollars?  No, probably not.
> >
> > On Nov 9, 1:20 pm, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Although I have a Phil hub on my Bomba, (and Hadleys on my MTB), I
> > > believe that $ for $ the XTs could perhaps be the best hubs ever...
> > > I've owned several sets of XTs and they've never let me down, they
> > > roll really well and they last a long time.  (I actually have a set of
> > > early vintage 36-hole XT hubs that I'm lacing up for a Stumpy
> > > restore)... These hubs are downright thrilling...
> >
> > > On Nov 9, 1:02 pm, kuma  wrote:
> >
> > > > On Nov 8, 11:31 pm, "E.B."  wrote:
> >
> > > > > But the biggest reason I think a Phil hub would be worth your
> > > > > consideration is the option of building a 40-spoke rear wheel.  At
> 250-
> > > > > lbs with the intention of some unpaved riding, this would be
> > > > > reassuring.  I don't see 40-hole hubs or rims offered on RBW's
> site,
> > > > > but they could possibly get them for a build for you.
> >
> > > > XT hubs also come in 40 spoke configurations and can be paired with
> > > > strong Velocity Dyad rims.
> >
> > > > dhk42,
> >
> > > > Before you make a decision about hubs, have you considered a dynamo
> > > > hub?  Dynamo hubs are used to power a headlight (plus an optional
> > > > taillight) using just your pedal power.  They are really a great
> > > > option if you ride at night.  Even if you don't currently ride at
> > > > night, a dynamo hub can open up a whole new world for you: riding at
> > > > night is really beautiful.
> >
> > > > Check out Peter White's website here for more information on dynamo
> > > > hubs:
> >
> > > >http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/Schmidt.asp
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Tandems?

[cyclotourist]

Good ol' Ibis...

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:32 AM, William  wrote:

> "and also lacks a Hand Job"
>
>
> Don't forget the Toe Jamb, too!  My brazed on pump peg on the boom
> tube is a disembodied foot, and the big toe is what holds the pump in
> place
>
> On Nov 11, 9:26 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > Jealous:  My Co-Mo barely fits a 32mm, and also lacks a Hand Job.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:22 AM, William  wrote:
> > > My Ibis barely takes a 700x37 Pasela.  The close points are in back.
> > > The fork would probably take a 50.  That's why I'd love a 650B
> > > tandem.
> >
> > > On Nov 11, 8:41 am, MichaelH  wrote:
> > > > Suit yourself, but most stokers who ride singles with open pedals
> will
> > > > end up preferring a toe clip on a tandem.  Here's why.  When the
> pilot
> > > > suddenly comes across broken pavement or a surprising pot hole and
> > > > follows their instinct to suddenly stop pedaling and lift their butt
> > > > off the seat, without warning,  the stoker will loose contact with
> the
> > > > pedals and get whacked in the shin before she reconnects.  Now if
> > > > you're perfect, or only ride on good roads then that's not a problem.
> >
> > > > Also I would caution people on this list to look carefully at tire
> > > > clearances on 700C tandems.  Cannondale, Co-Motion, and Santana
> design
> > > > there 700C bikes around 28mm tires.  If that's what you want, fine,
> > > > but I suspect that most riders on this list will prefer tandems with
> > > > 38mm or bigger tires on a tandem and that generally means 26" wheels.
> > > > Also, the 26" wheels are stronger and can be safely built with 36
> > > > spokes.  We run 26x1.6 Marathon Racers and love them on all surfaces,
> > > > including VTs dirt roads.
> >
> > > > Another possible option for tandems is DaVinci; and even if you don't
> > > > buy a frame from them they design a lot of really good, tandem
> > > > specific parts.
> >
> > > > michael
> >
> > > > On Nov 11, 8:12 am, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> >
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:30 AM, MichaelH 
> wrote:
> > > > > > A nice used, medium sized, Ti Tandem popped up on the
> tan...@hobbes
> > > > > > list this morning.  In addition to the good advice about
> handling, I
> > > > > > would add that you will want more stand over for the pilot than
> you
> > > > > > probably have on your single, especially if you bought it from
> Grant.
> > > > > > On a tandem the pilot must straddle the bike with his/her legs
> spread
> > > > > > beyond the pedals and hold the brakes, while the stoker climbs
> aboard
> > > > > > and repositions the pedals for the pilot to put one foot on and
> push
> > > > > > off.  Also, plan on clips or clipless pedals, since loosing
> contact
> > > > > > with tandem pedals can be a painful experience!
> >
> > > > > I agree with the standover - that's true - but disagree with
> clipless.
> > > > > We ride on sneaker pedals and vastly prefer it.
> >
> > > > > -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[cyclotourist]

Interesting and excellent point!  Particularly a concern in a high theft
area.  I don't have that problem, at least not hugely...


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Lee  wrote:

> Hey David. Hmmm, I've known about the Sheldon locking strategy and the
> only thing that concerns me is someone who doesn't know much about
> bikes coming by and undoing my quick releases and trying to remove the
> frame and finding out it can't be done. Then, just dropping the frame
> to the pavement. I'm worried that the person might damage the frame/
> wheel when tugging or when ditching the attempt. I don't know if this
> has every happened to anyone in the real world, though.
>
> Best,
> Lee
>
> On Nov 11, 9:18 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> > Lee, what are your thoughts on the seat tube lock point vs. rear wheel
> lock
> > point (aka Sheldon technique<
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html>)?
> >
> > I typically do the Sheldon, but have always wondered if it's good
> enough...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Lee  wrote:
> > > Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my
> > > lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked
> > > by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of
> > > barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less
> > > beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running around
> > > San Francisco.
> >
> > > The pics:
> > >http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb
> > >http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj
> >
> > > Best,
> > > Lee
> >
> > > On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee  wrote:
> > > > Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay
> > > > areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a
> > > > cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end
> > > > bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak
> > > > locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable
> locks
> > > > act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any
> > > > given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and
> > > > find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter.
> >
> > > > I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside
> > > > during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend
> and
> > > > nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or
> > > > Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a
> > > > B&M Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool
> > > > pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay.
> > > > My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the
> > > > saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike
> rack
> > > > with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take
> > > > my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I
> > > > may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my
> > > > bike regardless of time or place.
> >
> > > > The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame
> and
> > > > u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that
> > > > a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a
> > > > Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely
> > > > accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now.
> > > > Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll
> > > > have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But,
> > > > this is no real security solution, obviously.
> >
> > > > I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are
> > > > right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't
> > > > think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock
> > > > anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you
> > > > positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the
> > > > risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits
> most
> > > > urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out
> > > > and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent.
> >
> > > > Good luck!
> > > > Lee
> >
> > > > On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose  wrote:
> >
> > > > > Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm
> > > > > curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are.
> >
> > > > > In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis
> with
> > > > > bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day.
> No
> > > > > one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with
> a
> > > > > bunch of crap on it (ha!).
> >
> > > > > Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on
> the
> > > > > street.
> >
> > > > > So I'm wondering how secure I should go.  Never leave lights on the

[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[Greg]

Jose,

Welcome to beautiful Oakland!  This is what I do in Rockridge.  Even
though Rockridge is considered a nice neighborhood, and is really not
at all like the Oakland that people think of from the news, it is
still a moderately urban area with lots of people moving through on
foot, bike, bart, cars, and hence opportunistic crimes are not
unusual.

I would ALWAYS lock the bike with a u-lock.  Generally, for 30-minute
situations, I just lock the front wheel and the frame to a rack/meter.
(Actually, I think a cable lock would be OK for these situations, but
since you'll need to get a u-lock for other situations, might as well
use it.)  If I'm going to be locking it up for longer periods,
particularly if it's going to be out of sight the whole time, I would
use a cable with the u-lock to lock up both front and rear wheels.

I NEVER leave lights on the bike, except at the garage at my work
(also in Oakland).  Brooks saddles---I personally don't worry about
it, particularly on a coffee/errand run.  But if you were to park it
at Bart everyday all day, I wouldn't be surprised if it got stolen on
a bad luck day.  As for bags, I generally leave my Carradice on the
bike, but I have a nagging worry that it could get stolen.  I would
not leave an easily detachable bag, such as removable panniers, on the
bike.

>From personal experience, I have had the following happen to me over
the past 10 years.  I have had a seat bag with tools stolen while
parked at Rockridge BART all day, a seatpost and saddle from a beater
stolen (had a QR, I should have known better) while parked at
Rockridge BART all day, an unlocked bike stolen from my side yard at
my old house in Oakland (which was not in Rockridge), a cable-locked
bike stolen from the North Berkeley Bart station while parked there
all day.  I would think this is fairly representative for someone who
is generally careful, but not obsessive.

Drop me a line offlist,

Greg







On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose  wrote:
> Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm
> curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are.
>
> In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with
> bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No
> one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a
> bunch of crap on it (ha!).
>
> Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the
> street.
>
> So I'm wondering how secure I should go.  Never leave lights on the
> bike?  Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat
> post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe,
> but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff
> jacked here is.
>
> Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips.
> For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50
> craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as
> much as I can be.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -- J.

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[RBW] Re: AHH on order

[MichaelH]

I rode cup and cone hubs for 30 years and know that a good set is
relatively  easy to maintain and with regular overhauls will last a
very, very long time.  But since I live two miles down a dirt road and
ride a lot of muddy roads, I got tired of maintenance work.  PW &
White hubs have better seals than any cup and cone design available.
People tell me that the PW will outlast the White, but I may not be
live long enough to prove that.  White's are $100 a set less than PW,
which makes them pretty attractive.  PW for a BB though, don't even
think about anything else, unless you really need to cut some $ out of
the project, then go $45 generic sealed.

michael

On Nov 11, 10:48 am, William  wrote:
> I agree with MBB.  If the OP asked what the best value in a hubset
> was, I would pile in with XT.  Particularly, in my opinion, mid-90s
> vintage XT.  They can be had for a song.  Especially if you can build
> wheels, they are the kind of thing you can stock up on and forget
> about needing a hub for literally the rest of your life.  On a
> somewhat related note, I'll posit the opinion that front hubs are a
> dime a dozen, and while I can think of a couple bad things that a
> terrible front hub might do, there is essentially zero differentiation
> between good ones...unless you talk dynamos of course.
>
> Since the OP asked if Phil were worth the money, I answered yes.  Are
> they the best dollar for dollar value on the simple trade off between
> performance and dollars?  No, probably not.
>
> On Nov 9, 1:20 pm, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Although I have a Phil hub on my Bomba, (and Hadleys on my MTB), I
> > believe that $ for $ the XTs could perhaps be the best hubs ever...
> > I've owned several sets of XTs and they've never let me down, they
> > roll really well and they last a long time.  (I actually have a set of
> > early vintage 36-hole XT hubs that I'm lacing up for a Stumpy
> > restore)... These hubs are downright thrilling...
>
> > On Nov 9, 1:02 pm, kuma  wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 8, 11:31 pm, "E.B."  wrote:
>
> > > > But the biggest reason I think a Phil hub would be worth your
> > > > consideration is the option of building a 40-spoke rear wheel.  At 250-
> > > > lbs with the intention of some unpaved riding, this would be
> > > > reassuring.  I don't see 40-hole hubs or rims offered on RBW's site,
> > > > but they could possibly get them for a build for you.  
>
> > > XT hubs also come in 40 spoke configurations and can be paired with
> > > strong Velocity Dyad rims.
>
> > > dhk42,
>
> > > Before you make a decision about hubs, have you considered a dynamo
> > > hub?  Dynamo hubs are used to power a headlight (plus an optional
> > > taillight) using just your pedal power.  They are really a great
> > > option if you ride at night.  Even if you don't currently ride at
> > > night, a dynamo hub can open up a whole new world for you: riding at
> > > night is really beautiful.
>
> > > Check out Peter White's website here for more information on dynamo
> > > hubs:
>
> > >http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/Schmidt.asp

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[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[Lee]

Hey David. Hmmm, I've known about the Sheldon locking strategy and the
only thing that concerns me is someone who doesn't know much about
bikes coming by and undoing my quick releases and trying to remove the
frame and finding out it can't be done. Then, just dropping the frame
to the pavement. I'm worried that the person might damage the frame/
wheel when tugging or when ditching the attempt. I don't know if this
has every happened to anyone in the real world, though.

Best,
Lee

On Nov 11, 9:18 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Lee, what are your thoughts on the seat tube lock point vs. rear wheel lock
> point (aka Sheldon technique)?
>
> I typically do the Sheldon, but have always wondered if it's good enough...
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Lee  wrote:
> > Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my
> > lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked
> > by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of
> > barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less
> > beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running around
> > San Francisco.
>
> > The pics:
> >http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb
> >http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj
>
> > Best,
> > Lee
>
> > On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee  wrote:
> > > Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay
> > > areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a
> > > cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end
> > > bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak
> > > locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks
> > > act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any
> > > given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and
> > > find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter.
>
> > > I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside
> > > during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and
> > > nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or
> > > Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a
> > > B&M Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool
> > > pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay.
> > > My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the
> > > saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack
> > > with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take
> > > my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I
> > > may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my
> > > bike regardless of time or place.
>
> > > The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and
> > > u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that
> > > a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a
> > > Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely
> > > accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now.
> > > Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll
> > > have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But,
> > > this is no real security solution, obviously.
>
> > > I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are
> > > right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't
> > > think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock
> > > anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you
> > > positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the
> > > risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits most
> > > urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out
> > > and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent.
>
> > > Good luck!
> > > Lee
>
> > > On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose  wrote:
>
> > > > Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm
> > > > curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are.
>
> > > > In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with
> > > > bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No
> > > > one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a
> > > > bunch of crap on it (ha!).
>
> > > > Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the
> > > > street.
>
> > > > So I'm wondering how secure I should go.  Never leave lights on the
> > > > bike?  Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat
> > > > post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe,
> > > > but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff
> > > > jacked here is.
>
> > > > Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips.
> > > > For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I

[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?

[William]

"and also lacks a Hand Job"


Don't forget the Toe Jamb, too!  My brazed on pump peg on the boom
tube is a disembodied foot, and the big toe is what holds the pump in
place

On Nov 11, 9:26 am, cyclotourist  wrote:
> Jealous:  My Co-Mo barely fits a 32mm, and also lacks a Hand Job.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:22 AM, William  wrote:
> > My Ibis barely takes a 700x37 Pasela.  The close points are in back.
> > The fork would probably take a 50.  That's why I'd love a 650B
> > tandem.
>
> > On Nov 11, 8:41 am, MichaelH  wrote:
> > > Suit yourself, but most stokers who ride singles with open pedals will
> > > end up preferring a toe clip on a tandem.  Here's why.  When the pilot
> > > suddenly comes across broken pavement or a surprising pot hole and
> > > follows their instinct to suddenly stop pedaling and lift their butt
> > > off the seat, without warning,  the stoker will loose contact with the
> > > pedals and get whacked in the shin before she reconnects.  Now if
> > > you're perfect, or only ride on good roads then that's not a problem.
>
> > > Also I would caution people on this list to look carefully at tire
> > > clearances on 700C tandems.  Cannondale, Co-Motion, and Santana design
> > > there 700C bikes around 28mm tires.  If that's what you want, fine,
> > > but I suspect that most riders on this list will prefer tandems with
> > > 38mm or bigger tires on a tandem and that generally means 26" wheels.
> > > Also, the 26" wheels are stronger and can be safely built with 36
> > > spokes.  We run 26x1.6 Marathon Racers and love them on all surfaces,
> > > including VTs dirt roads.
>
> > > Another possible option for tandems is DaVinci; and even if you don't
> > > buy a frame from them they design a lot of really good, tandem
> > > specific parts.
>
> > > michael
>
> > > On Nov 11, 8:12 am, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:30 AM, MichaelH  wrote:
> > > > > A nice used, medium sized, Ti Tandem popped up on the tan...@hobbes
> > > > > list this morning.  In addition to the good advice about handling, I
> > > > > would add that you will want more stand over for the pilot than you
> > > > > probably have on your single, especially if you bought it from Grant.
> > > > > On a tandem the pilot must straddle the bike with his/her legs spread
> > > > > beyond the pedals and hold the brakes, while the stoker climbs aboard
> > > > > and repositions the pedals for the pilot to put one foot on and push
> > > > > off.  Also, plan on clips or clipless pedals, since loosing contact
> > > > > with tandem pedals can be a painful experience!
>
> > > > I agree with the standover - that's true - but disagree with clipless.
> > > > We ride on sneaker pedals and vastly prefer it.
>
> > > > -sv
>
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[RBW] Re: AHH on order

[William]

M730 is quite old.  Like 1987.  Should be 6 speed, non-hyperglide.
Measure the O.L.D. and check the freehub splines.  An M730 should be
130mm, but might even be 126mm, but almost certainly won't fit on most
current Riv's (which are almost all 135mm).  A non-hyperglide freehub
body will have one uniform spline width, while hyperglide had one
fatter groove and one skinnier ridge.

On Nov 11, 8:02 am, DAVID BLESSING  wrote:
> Ironically, I have an XT rear hub that I just found in my basement.  I think 
> it is an 8sp, used maybe, but maybe just shop worn.  I don't remember where I 
> got it.  Hub reads FH - M730.  Available for said song.  
>
> Snow predicted for the brown plains of Nebraska
> david blessing

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Tandems?

[cyclotourist]

Jealous:  My Co-Mo barely fits a 32mm, and also lacks a Hand Job.


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:22 AM, William  wrote:

> My Ibis barely takes a 700x37 Pasela.  The close points are in back.
> The fork would probably take a 50.  That's why I'd love a 650B
> tandem.
>
> On Nov 11, 8:41 am, MichaelH  wrote:
> > Suit yourself, but most stokers who ride singles with open pedals will
> > end up preferring a toe clip on a tandem.  Here's why.  When the pilot
> > suddenly comes across broken pavement or a surprising pot hole and
> > follows their instinct to suddenly stop pedaling and lift their butt
> > off the seat, without warning,  the stoker will loose contact with the
> > pedals and get whacked in the shin before she reconnects.  Now if
> > you're perfect, or only ride on good roads then that's not a problem.
> >
> > Also I would caution people on this list to look carefully at tire
> > clearances on 700C tandems.  Cannondale, Co-Motion, and Santana design
> > there 700C bikes around 28mm tires.  If that's what you want, fine,
> > but I suspect that most riders on this list will prefer tandems with
> > 38mm or bigger tires on a tandem and that generally means 26" wheels.
> > Also, the 26" wheels are stronger and can be safely built with 36
> > spokes.  We run 26x1.6 Marathon Racers and love them on all surfaces,
> > including VTs dirt roads.
> >
> > Another possible option for tandems is DaVinci; and even if you don't
> > buy a frame from them they design a lot of really good, tandem
> > specific parts.
> >
> > michael
> >
> > On Nov 11, 8:12 am, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:30 AM, MichaelH  wrote:
> > > > A nice used, medium sized, Ti Tandem popped up on the tan...@hobbes
> > > > list this morning.  In addition to the good advice about handling, I
> > > > would add that you will want more stand over for the pilot than you
> > > > probably have on your single, especially if you bought it from Grant.
> > > > On a tandem the pilot must straddle the bike with his/her legs spread
> > > > beyond the pedals and hold the brakes, while the stoker climbs aboard
> > > > and repositions the pedals for the pilot to put one foot on and push
> > > > off.  Also, plan on clips or clipless pedals, since loosing contact
> > > > with tandem pedals can be a painful experience!
> >
> > > I agree with the standover - that's true - but disagree with clipless.
> > > We ride on sneaker pedals and vastly prefer it.
> >
> > > -sv
> >
> >
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[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?

[William]

My Ibis barely takes a 700x37 Pasela.  The close points are in back.
The fork would probably take a 50.  That's why I'd love a 650B
tandem.

On Nov 11, 8:41 am, MichaelH  wrote:
> Suit yourself, but most stokers who ride singles with open pedals will
> end up preferring a toe clip on a tandem.  Here's why.  When the pilot
> suddenly comes across broken pavement or a surprising pot hole and
> follows their instinct to suddenly stop pedaling and lift their butt
> off the seat, without warning,  the stoker will loose contact with the
> pedals and get whacked in the shin before she reconnects.  Now if
> you're perfect, or only ride on good roads then that's not a problem.
>
> Also I would caution people on this list to look carefully at tire
> clearances on 700C tandems.  Cannondale, Co-Motion, and Santana design
> there 700C bikes around 28mm tires.  If that's what you want, fine,
> but I suspect that most riders on this list will prefer tandems with
> 38mm or bigger tires on a tandem and that generally means 26" wheels.
> Also, the 26" wheels are stronger and can be safely built with 36
> spokes.  We run 26x1.6 Marathon Racers and love them on all surfaces,
> including VTs dirt roads.
>
> Another possible option for tandems is DaVinci; and even if you don't
> buy a frame from them they design a lot of really good, tandem
> specific parts.
>
> michael
>
> On Nov 11, 8:12 am, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:30 AM, MichaelH  wrote:
> > > A nice used, medium sized, Ti Tandem popped up on the tan...@hobbes
> > > list this morning.  In addition to the good advice about handling, I
> > > would add that you will want more stand over for the pilot than you
> > > probably have on your single, especially if you bought it from Grant.
> > > On a tandem the pilot must straddle the bike with his/her legs spread
> > > beyond the pedals and hold the brakes, while the stoker climbs aboard
> > > and repositions the pedals for the pilot to put one foot on and push
> > > off.  Also, plan on clips or clipless pedals, since loosing contact
> > > with tandem pedals can be a painful experience!
>
> > I agree with the standover - that's true - but disagree with clipless.
> > We ride on sneaker pedals and vastly prefer it.
>
> > -sv
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[cyclotourist]

Lee, what are your thoughts on the seat tube lock point vs. rear wheel lock
point (aka Sheldon technique)?

I typically do the Sheldon, but have always wondered if it's good enough...

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Lee  wrote:

> Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my
> lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked
> by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of
> barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less
> beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running around
> San Francisco.
>
> The pics:
> http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb
> http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj
>
> Best,
> Lee
>
> On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee  wrote:
> > Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay
> > areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a
> > cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end
> > bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak
> > locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks
> > act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any
> > given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and
> > find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter.
> >
> > I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside
> > during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and
> > nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or
> > Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a
> > B&M Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool
> > pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay.
> > My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the
> > saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack
> > with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take
> > my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I
> > may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my
> > bike regardless of time or place.
> >
> > The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and
> > u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that
> > a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a
> > Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely
> > accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now.
> > Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll
> > have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But,
> > this is no real security solution, obviously.
> >
> > I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are
> > right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't
> > think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock
> > anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you
> > positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the
> > risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits most
> > urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out
> > and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent.
> >
> > Good luck!
> > Lee
> >
> > On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm
> > > curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are.
> >
> > > In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with
> > > bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No
> > > one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a
> > > bunch of crap on it (ha!).
> >
> > > Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the
> > > street.
> >
> > > So I'm wondering how secure I should go.  Never leave lights on the
> > > bike?  Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat
> > > post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe,
> > > but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff
> > > jacked here is.
> >
> > > Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips.
> > > For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50
> > > craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as
> > > much as I can be.
> >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > -- J.
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[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[Lee]

Just to follow-up, I took some pics of my locked up QB outside of my
lab. Note that my workplace is secluded, remote, and well-trafficked
by people, and it's on a pretty secluded campus with hundreds of
barely locked bikes everywhere. So, my work lock and cable are less
beefy than their counterparts at home, which I use when running around
San Francisco.

The pics:
http://tinyurl.com/286ywhb
http://tinyurl.com/2bymylj

Best,
Lee

On Nov 10, 11:39 pm, Lee  wrote:
> Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay
> areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a
> cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end
> bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak
> locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks
> act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any
> given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and
> find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter.
>
> I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside
> during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and
> nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or
> Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a
> B&M Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool
> pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay.
> My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the
> saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack
> with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take
> my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I
> may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my
> bike regardless of time or place.
>
> The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and
> u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that
> a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a
> Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely
> accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now.
> Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll
> have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But,
> this is no real security solution, obviously.
>
> I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are
> right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't
> think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock
> anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you
> positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the
> risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits most
> urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out
> and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent.
>
> Good luck!
> Lee
>
> On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose  wrote:
>
> > Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm
> > curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are.
>
> > In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with
> > bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No
> > one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a
> > bunch of crap on it (ha!).
>
> > Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the
> > street.
>
> > So I'm wondering how secure I should go.  Never leave lights on the
> > bike?  Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat
> > post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe,
> > but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff
> > jacked here is.
>
> > Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips.
> > For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50
> > craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as
> > much as I can be.
>
> > Thanks in advance,
> > -- J.

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[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?

[MichaelH]

Suit yourself, but most stokers who ride singles with open pedals will
end up preferring a toe clip on a tandem.  Here's why.  When the pilot
suddenly comes across broken pavement or a surprising pot hole and
follows their instinct to suddenly stop pedaling and lift their butt
off the seat, without warning,  the stoker will loose contact with the
pedals and get whacked in the shin before she reconnects.  Now if
you're perfect, or only ride on good roads then that's not a problem.

Also I would caution people on this list to look carefully at tire
clearances on 700C tandems.  Cannondale, Co-Motion, and Santana design
there 700C bikes around 28mm tires.  If that's what you want, fine,
but I suspect that most riders on this list will prefer tandems with
38mm or bigger tires on a tandem and that generally means 26" wheels.
Also, the 26" wheels are stronger and can be safely built with 36
spokes.  We run 26x1.6 Marathon Racers and love them on all surfaces,
including VTs dirt roads.

Another possible option for tandems is DaVinci; and even if you don't
buy a frame from them they design a lot of really good, tandem
specific parts.

michael

On Nov 11, 8:12 am, Seth Vidal  wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:30 AM, MichaelH  wrote:
> > A nice used, medium sized, Ti Tandem popped up on the tan...@hobbes
> > list this morning.  In addition to the good advice about handling, I
> > would add that you will want more stand over for the pilot than you
> > probably have on your single, especially if you bought it from Grant.
> > On a tandem the pilot must straddle the bike with his/her legs spread
> > beyond the pedals and hold the brakes, while the stoker climbs aboard
> > and repositions the pedals for the pilot to put one foot on and push
> > off.  Also, plan on clips or clipless pedals, since loosing contact
> > with tandem pedals can be a painful experience!
>
> I agree with the standover - that's true - but disagree with clipless.
> We ride on sneaker pedals and vastly prefer it.
>
> -sv

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[RBW] Grand Cru Crankset

[Eric Norris]

My new Grand Cru double crankset 
(http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/cranksets/cranks/grand-cru-110-fluted-double-crankset-34x48t.html)
 and matching bottom bracket arrived yesterday.  Very nicely made--as 
advertised, both the front and back of the crankarms are polished, and just 
based on looks this is a quality item.  

Now I'm waiting for my retro Campagnolo Rally derailleur to arrive (bought on 
eBay from a seller in France) so I can install everything on my 1980s Benotto.  
I'll post photos and a brief review once I've gotten it on the road.
--Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[Ray Shine]

Jose -- I sort of agree with Kevin. When commuting, is your company/boss cool 
with locking the bike inside the building somewhere?  My employer has an entire 
locked cage in the garage that accommodates about 200 bikes. There is also 24/7 
camera surveillance. Entry is by swipe card ID, and that entry is archived.  
That said, it's true you must know the turf you are on and lock accordingly.  
That will take some time to get that sense of place.  I live in SF, and if I 
worked or lived in the Mission, I'd have a more cautious eye. There are so many 
cyclists in that part of SF that there are many who would know the true value 
of 
an Atlantis. In other areas, an Atlantis might look like something too old and 
retro to be worth the effort.  It's true that U-locks are better than cables, 
but I have been using the cable lock the RBW sells and am quite comfortable 
with 
it.  


If there is a bright side to becoming a bike theft victim it's that now, since 
your move from Texas, you are only a 15-minute BART ride from Rivendell in 
Walnut Creek to pick out your replacement!

(Oh, and yes, there is an abundance of great bike riding in the Bay Area. Ping 
me off-list if you need any recommendations.)






From: kevin lindsey 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 6:40:03 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

Jose -
Do you have to leave your Riv outside?  I commute daily with my
Bleriot and simply park it in the cubicle with me.  Things sometimes
get a bit cramped, but at least I know where my bike and components
are at all times.
One of the nice things about living in California is that most
employers here are used to a more bike-ish culture.  Whereas I
wouldn't have dreamed of wheeling my Riv into my northern Virginia
office, no one my San Jose digs even blinks an eye.
Any chance this could be an option for you?
Kevin

On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose  wrote:
> Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm
> curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are.
>
> In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with
> bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No
> one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a
> bunch of crap on it (ha!).
>
> Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the
> street.
>
> So I'm wondering how secure I should go.  Never leave lights on the
> bike?  Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat
> post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe,
> but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff
> jacked here is.
>
> Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips.
> For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50
> craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as
> much as I can be.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -- J.

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RE: [RBW] Re: AHH on order

[DAVID BLESSING]

Ironically, I have an XT rear hub that I just found in my basement.  I think it 
is an 8sp, used maybe, but maybe just shop worn.  I don't remember where I got 
it.  Hub reads FH - M730.  Available for said song.  
 
Snow predicted for the brown plains of Nebraska
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[RBW] Re: AHH on order

[William]

I agree with MBB.  If the OP asked what the best value in a hubset
was, I would pile in with XT.  Particularly, in my opinion, mid-90s
vintage XT.  They can be had for a song.  Especially if you can build
wheels, they are the kind of thing you can stock up on and forget
about needing a hub for literally the rest of your life.  On a
somewhat related note, I'll posit the opinion that front hubs are a
dime a dozen, and while I can think of a couple bad things that a
terrible front hub might do, there is essentially zero differentiation
between good ones...unless you talk dynamos of course.

Since the OP asked if Phil were worth the money, I answered yes.  Are
they the best dollar for dollar value on the simple trade off between
performance and dollars?  No, probably not.

On Nov 9, 1:20 pm, Montclair BobbyB  wrote:
> Although I have a Phil hub on my Bomba, (and Hadleys on my MTB), I
> believe that $ for $ the XTs could perhaps be the best hubs ever...
> I've owned several sets of XTs and they've never let me down, they
> roll really well and they last a long time.  (I actually have a set of
> early vintage 36-hole XT hubs that I'm lacing up for a Stumpy
> restore)... These hubs are downright thrilling...
>
> On Nov 9, 1:02 pm, kuma  wrote:
>
> > On Nov 8, 11:31 pm, "E.B."  wrote:
>
> > > But the biggest reason I think a Phil hub would be worth your
> > > consideration is the option of building a 40-spoke rear wheel.  At 250-
> > > lbs with the intention of some unpaved riding, this would be
> > > reassuring.  I don't see 40-hole hubs or rims offered on RBW's site,
> > > but they could possibly get them for a build for you.  
>
> > XT hubs also come in 40 spoke configurations and can be paired with
> > strong Velocity Dyad rims.
>
> > dhk42,
>
> > Before you make a decision about hubs, have you considered a dynamo
> > hub?  Dynamo hubs are used to power a headlight (plus an optional
> > taillight) using just your pedal power.  They are really a great
> > option if you ride at night.  Even if you don't currently ride at
> > night, a dynamo hub can open up a whole new world for you: riding at
> > night is really beautiful.
>
> > Check out Peter White's website here for more information on dynamo
> > hubs:
>
> >http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/Schmidt.asp
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[Adam]

I live in Berkeley and lock up my Hillborne often in the area.  My
policies change depending on the location of lock up as well as my
instincts at the time.

The other day I locked my Hillborne up in front of Berkeley Bowl.  I
took off the front wheel to secure both wheels and the frame inside my
U-lock.  I removed my saddle bag plus handlebar bag and also have a
seat post lock for my brooks.  When I emerged to unlock my bike with
groceries in hand, an Atlantis had arrived next to mine, its owner
inside.  It had a u-lock around the frame with wheels cabled, saddle
bag in place, and brooks left unlocked.  Made me feel a bit over-
cautious, but I tend to trust my gut.

My main advice is to be intentional in choosing where you lock your
ride.  High visibility to me is one of the most secure aspects of
locking up the steed.

If you're looking for some good rides in the are drop me a line.
We're pretty blessed.

Cheers,
Adam


On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose  wrote:
> Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm
> curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are.
>
> In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with
> bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No
> one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a
> bunch of crap on it (ha!).
>
> Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the
> street.
>
> So I'm wondering how secure I should go.  Never leave lights on the
> bike?  Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat
> post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe,
> but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff
> jacked here is.
>
> Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips.
> For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50
> craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as
> much as I can be.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -- J.

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[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?

[William]

That's what I have.  A 700C wheeled Ibis Touche.

On Nov 10, 11:34 pm, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 11/9/10 10:26 PM, manueljohnacosta at manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just
> > recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding
> > a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if
> > any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at?
>
> Since you are in the SF Bay Area, keep an eye out for Ibis tandems. They
> didn't make a lot, but I've seen a few of them them show up in the past few
> months.
>
> Remember, where ever your relationship is going, a tandem will get it there
> faster... ;^)
>
> - Jim
>
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> follow when I assume that everyone in a car is out to get me."
> -- Neal Stephenson, "Zodiac"

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Tandems?

[Rob Riggins]

After I installed platform pedals on my tandem, I found that more people
ride with me.

Rob
Minneapolis

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:30 AM, MichaelH  wrote:
> > A nice used, medium sized, Ti Tandem popped up on the tan...@hobbes
> > list this morning.  In addition to the good advice about handling, I
> > would add that you will want more stand over for the pilot than you
> > probably have on your single, especially if you bought it from Grant.
> > On a tandem the pilot must straddle the bike with his/her legs spread
> > beyond the pedals and hold the brakes, while the stoker climbs aboard
> > and repositions the pedals for the pilot to put one foot on and push
> > off.  Also, plan on clips or clipless pedals, since loosing contact
> > with tandem pedals can be a painful experience!
> >
>
>
> I agree with the standover - that's true - but disagree with clipless.
> We ride on sneaker pedals and vastly prefer it.
>
> -sv
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Knog NERD Bike Computer - 12 function

[Eric Norris]

Wish I needed a green one!

On Nov 10, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:

> Really?  No one?  $40.  Pretty cheap for a really nice and simple bike
> computer.
> 
> On Nov 7, 5:13 pm, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>> Everyone that i talked to told me this was the computer to get if you
>> didnt need to geek out with a computer. It looks fantastic I just
>> decided not to use one at all.
>> 
>> $45 shipped?  I would rather someone here get it vs selling on ebay.
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 4:04 pm, IPATOM  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I have a NERD on my Hillborne.  If you don't want or need a computer
>>> all the time, this is a great choice because it's easy to remove which
>>> was a major selling point for megreat for interval workouts, not
>>> needed when just out for a spin.
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 9:27 am, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>> 
 I have aKNOG12 function NERD bike computer.  It is wireless and
 mounts super easy.  I picked it up assuming that I wanted a computer
 but now I am thinking I don't want one.  I had it out to inspect it
 but put it right back in the box. It was never installed and is brand
 new with a new warranty and everything.  The 12 function will allow
 you to track more than one bike.
>> 
 This is what I have and I have the olive color.
>> 
 http://www.treefortbikes.com/product/333222352796/493/Knog-NERD-9-Fun...
>> 
 $50 shipped to your house.  Brand new.
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[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[kevin lindsey]

Jose -
Do you have to leave your Riv outside?  I commute daily with my
Bleriot and simply park it in the cubicle with me.  Things sometimes
get a bit cramped, but at least I know where my bike and components
are at all times.
One of the nice things about living in California is that most
employers here are used to a more bike-ish culture.  Whereas I
wouldn't have dreamed of wheeling my Riv into my northern Virginia
office, no one my San Jose digs even blinks an eye.
Any chance this could be an option for you?
Kevin

On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose  wrote:
> Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm
> curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are.
>
> In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with
> bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No
> one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a
> bunch of crap on it (ha!).
>
> Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the
> street.
>
> So I'm wondering how secure I should go.  Never leave lights on the
> bike?  Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat
> post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe,
> but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff
> jacked here is.
>
> Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips.
> For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50
> craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as
> much as I can be.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -- J.

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[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[jamison brosseau]

hey, i don't live in the east bay, but do live in brooklyn new york.
i lock up my bikes frequently.  for commuting i only use baskets, with
tote type bags, and remove them from the bike when i go in someplace.
the racks stay, but i use two u locks, and a long cable.  one long u
lock will do my front wheel and frame to whatever i am locking to ,
and i use a mini lock to do my rear wheel, and use the cable to weave
through my rack, and seat.  its kind of a pain, but i have the space.
 i also made sure my renters insurance covers bike replacement if
stolen.

On Nov 11, 2:39 am, Lee  wrote:
> Hi Jose. I live in San Francisco and frequent the East and South Bay
> areas regularly. Here's my two cents: Definitely do not rely on a
> cable lock in the Bay Area. Of course, thieves will target high-end
> bikes and components, but I think even more so, they target weak
> locks--cable locks in particular. Ironically, in this way, cable locks
> act as an attractant in my opinion, regardless of the bike. On any
> given weekend morning I can walk the streets near my apartment and
> find part of a cable lock on the sidewalk or in the gutter.
>
> I ride my Quickbeam as my daily bike, and I do lock it up outside
> during the work day, as well as out in the city during the weekend and
> nights. It's outfitted with a B-17 Special and either a Phil hub or
> Shimano dynamo hub front wheel. In the latter case, I'll also have a
> B&M Cyo mounted to a small front rack. And, I usually have a tool
> pouch hung from the saddle and a SuperFlash mounted on the seat stay.
> My locking solution is a heavy cable through both wheels and the
> saddle rails, which is then locked along with the frame to a bike rack
> with a Kryptonite u-lock. I think it's the Evolution. I usually take
> my tool pouch if it's night. During the day, depending on the area, I
> may leave it on my bike. I always leave the SuperFlash and Cyo on my
> bike regardless of time or place.
>
> The only thing I feel really secure about this set-up is the frame and
> u-lock situation. I take my chances with the heavy cable, hoping that
> a bike thief won't try to get through that just to get my Brooks or a
> Phil hub. One thing that works in my favor is the number of nicely
> accessorized bikes that have become so popular in the city right now.
> Go to any bar, coffee shop, or yoga studio in the Mission and you'll
> have your pick of non-secured Brooks saddles and Phil wheels. But,
> this is no real security solution, obviously.
>
> I guess this is a long-winded way of saying that your instincts are
> right, a cable-lock-only approach is likely to be a problem. I don't
> think you have to cover up the logo, but lock down with a u-lock
> anything you don't won't to risk being taken, and remove any item you
> positively don't want to be stolen. Other than that, you weigh the
> risks and take your chances. Of course, that advice probably fits most
> urban areas. For this one, I think after a month or two of being out
> and about, you'll find your comfort zone in the areas you frequent.
>
> Good luck!
> Lee
>
> On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose  wrote:
>
> > Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm
> > curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are.
>
> > In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with
> > bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No
> > one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a
> > bunch of crap on it (ha!).
>
> > Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the
> > street.
>
> > So I'm wondering how secure I should go.  Never leave lights on the
> > bike?  Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat
> > post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe,
> > but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff
> > jacked here is.
>
> > Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips.
> > For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50
> > craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as
> > much as I can be.
>
> > Thanks in advance,
> > -- J.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Tandems?

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:30 AM, MichaelH  wrote:
> A nice used, medium sized, Ti Tandem popped up on the tan...@hobbes
> list this morning.  In addition to the good advice about handling, I
> would add that you will want more stand over for the pilot than you
> probably have on your single, especially if you bought it from Grant.
> On a tandem the pilot must straddle the bike with his/her legs spread
> beyond the pedals and hold the brakes, while the stoker climbs aboard
> and repositions the pedals for the pilot to put one foot on and push
> off.  Also, plan on clips or clipless pedals, since loosing contact
> with tandem pedals can be a painful experience!
>


I agree with the standover - that's true - but disagree with clipless.
We ride on sneaker pedals and vastly prefer it.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Any Tandems?

[MichaelH]

A nice used, medium sized, Ti Tandem popped up on the tan...@hobbes
list this morning.  In addition to the good advice about handling, I
would add that you will want more stand over for the pilot than you
probably have on your single, especially if you bought it from Grant.
On a tandem the pilot must straddle the bike with his/her legs spread
beyond the pedals and hold the brakes, while the stoker climbs aboard
and repositions the pedals for the pilot to put one foot on and push
off.  Also, plan on clips or clipless pedals, since loosing contact
with tandem pedals can be a painful experience!

michael



On Nov 11, 2:34 am, CycloFiend  wrote:
> on 11/9/10 10:26 PM, manueljohnacosta at manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > I leave it to the wisdom of the group. My girlfriend and I just
> > recently test rode a tandem. We had a great time and found that riding
> > a tandem works for both of our different riding styles. Wondering if
> > any had any suggestions on tandem bikes we could take a look at?
>
> Since you are in the SF Bay Area, keep an eye out for Ibis tandems. They
> didn't make a lot, but I've seen a few of them them show up in the past few
> months.
>
> Remember, where ever your relationship is going, a tandem will get it there
> faster... ;^)
>
> - Jim
>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Wanted: Saluki, Sam Hillborne or Bombadil complete bike or frame only

[Frederick, Steve]

Glad you got a test ride in--that makes a big difference.

I'll have a 54cm Saluki for sale before too long--a custom replacement is in my 
future!  (that would go well in the "winter project," thread.)  

Most of the drivetrain and the wheels are going onto my new bike, but I could 
provide a partial build.  The bike has some history--it was the first 
caramel-colored Saluki for example.  It also has some history in that there are 
a few chipped paint spots and scrapes--no rust but some touching up has been 
done and more would be in order.

Pics here:

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=saluki&w=40738390%40N08  

Price to be determined by interest and what parts would be included.

Steve

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of williwoods
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:30 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Wanted: Saluki, Sam Hillborne or Bombadil complete
bike or frame only


I measured several times I have short legs and a longer upper body.
Test rode a 52 Bombadil fits perfect and the owner has almost the same
body type as I do he is 5'10" and has an 80 PBH.

Saluki - 56 or 54 maybe
Sam Hillborne - 52
Bombadil - 52
A Homer Hilsen - 56

I love em all and would ride em till the cows come home. They are
pretty bikes that happen to make sense too (or maybe they are
practical bikes that happen to look pretty?)



On Nov 10, 4:12 am, "Frederick, Steve" 
wrote:
> Do you have a frame size in mind?  Your PBH sounds a little low for your 
> height--my PBH is a smidgen higher than yours but I'm only 5'7".
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of williwoods
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:10 PM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Wanted: Saluki, Sam Hillborne or Bombadil complete bike
> or frame only
>
> This is my first post here and looking forward to riding a Rivendell
> soon. This would actually be my first practical bike.
>
> Looking to purchase  a Saluki or a Sam Hillborne or maybe a Bombadil.
> preference in that order.
>
> I would prefer to purchase a complete bike but am open to frame and
> fork sets`as well.
>
> My PBH is 80cm and I am 5'9"
>
> I am located in Culver City Ca (los Angeles) but am open to travel or
> ship the bike if you are not local.
>
> email: willh...@yahoo.com
>
> let me know what you have.
>
> Will
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