date:20120717

Take one or all. $2.00 in *stamps*, please, for one pair, $3 for 3, to
3512 Nolina Court NW, Albuquerque, NM 87120.

They have been slightly modified (straps shortened, grommets added for
small zip ties) but IMO this enhances rather than subtracts from their
usefulness.

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[RBW] Best Commentator Quote/s - TDF

2012-07-17 Thread jimD

One of the things I enjoy when watching the TDF on TV are the comments from 
Phil Ligget and Paul Sherwin.
Sherwin has the best I've heard this year. As someone surges to a breakaway on 
some climb, Sherwin comments:

' Well he's certainly tossed the cat amongst the pigeons now!'

I'm hoping to find a way to use this in a meeting at work.
-JimD

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[RBW] Re: Sam appreciation and envy at STP

2012-07-17 Thread Dennis

I worked the finish from 10AM to 7PM and only spotted one blue AHH (tried 
to talk to the rider but he was busy with family  group photos). I knew 
there had to be more Riv's but was sad to miss them

On Monday, July 16, 2012 6:20:23 PM UTC-7, Scot Brooks wrote:

 Living through this last weekend's Seattle to Portland bike ride was 
 pretty great, and there were quite a few Riv spottings along the way. There 
 was a couple with two...Atlanti, Atlantises...whatever, a couple Rams at 
 least, and I think I spotted a Bleriot. Non compared to the Sam I saw while 
 waiting in the UW parking lot for the bike trucks to unload. It was a new 
 color 56 with double top tubes of course, nitto front and rear racks, Nigel 
 Smythe front and rear tweed excellence, Brooks of course, Silver shifters, 
 SON dynohub, Edelux (I believe) light, and the list goes on. It really was 
 the ultimate expression of a Sam for me. What's worse is that it made mine 
 look like a wretch. Mine has all the sam SORT of stuff, but just the low 
 brow versions of...everything. I think the bell was even better. Hopefully 
 it made it back to its owner, because it was there for at least 2 1/2 hours 
 while I was waiting, and I left at maybe 11:45pm. 

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[RBW] Re: On carbs, tubby tummies, and sugary sports drinks

2012-07-17 Thread Ryan Christbaum

Nothing like packing a tasty sandwich from the Belli Deli in San Rafael 
before a long ride in Marin.  

On Monday, July 16, 2012 4:19:32 PM UTC-7, Aaron Thomas wrote:

 Gary Fisher's take on the subject may be of interest to the list. Get that 
 man a Li'l Loafer!


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[RBW] What's a reasonable price for a used Sam Hillborne?

2012-07-17 Thread Ozonation

Hi... new here, but was advised over in Bike Forums to check this user 
group! I've been seriously considering a Rivendell, and have settled in a 
Sam Hillborne. I just came across a 2011 SH model going for about $1600 to 
$1700 - supposedly it has low mileage. *Does this price sound reasonable? 
Too good to be true?* Even better, the seller is not too far away. If I 
manage to check it out, any key things I should be looking for on a used 
Rivendell bike to see if its in good shape as claimed? Thanks a lot. 

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[RBW] Toe clip covers claimed!

Whoosh! That was fast!

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Re: [RBW] What's a reasonable price for a used Sam Hillborne?

Whole bike or frame only? If its whole bike that is a nice price if the
components arent worn out. Remember a new SH frameset sold for around 1k,
they have since gone up to 1,225.

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 Hi... new here, but was advised over in Bike Forums to check this user
 group! I've been seriously considering a Rivendell, and have settled in a
 Sam Hillborne. I just came across a 2011 SH model going for about $1600 to
 $1700 - supposedly it has low mileage. *Does this price sound reasonable?
 Too good to be true?* Even better, the seller is not too far away. If I
 manage to check it out, any key things I should be looking for on a used
 Rivendell bike to see if its in good shape as claimed? Thanks a lot.

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Re: [RBW] Summer Helmet

2012-07-17 Thread Steven Frederick

I don't know if you can add it after the fact. Many European brands offer
it as original equipment, though. It's just a fine plastic mesh
incorporated into the front vents to keep out bugs and debris. Nice
feature!

You can see it in the second pic here:

http://coachlevi.com/product-reviews/uvex-hawk-bike-helmet/

Steve

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:10 PM, hangtownmatt hangtownm...@yahoo.comwrote:

Steve, can you elaborate a bit more on the proper bug mesh and where to
get it?

Matt

On Friday, July 13, 2012 4:55:51 PM UTC-7, stevef wrote:

Ventilation is good but at least as important to me in the summer is bug
mesh in the front vents. I won't own a helmet again that doesn't have this
feature. Been stung in the scalp once too often!

I'm currently riding in a Uvex Sport Boss with a visor and bug mesh in
the front vents and it works fine. Got it cheap(ish) from Jensen's as I
recall...

They do have some models that are reasonably understated:

http://us.uvex-sports.com/**cycling/news/http://us.uvex-sports.com/cycling/news/

Steve

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt
54ca...@gmail.comwrote:

I wear a Nutcase helmet in the winter. It's painful to wear when it's
warm due to sweat and heat. Has anyone found a suitably well ventilated
warm weather helmet that doesn't look like a prop from a sci-fi film.

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Re: [RBW] Re: On carbs, tubby tummies, and sugary sports drinks

Repeat, repeat: a 2 or 3 hour ride is long for me, but in such cases I
like, in hot weather, weak tea with lemon and a little sugar; in cold
weather, Indian Chai but weakish with not too much milk.

(Indian chai, the real stuff: boil cheap loose tea with lots of sugar
and milk until it is at once bitter and sweet. Dilute for bicycling
use.)

Diluted Gatorade also works for me.

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Ryan Christbaum
rchristb...@comcast.net wrote:
Nothing like packing a tasty sandwich from the Belli Deli in San Rafael
before a long ride in Marin.

On Monday, July 16, 2012 4:19:32 PM UTC-7, Aaron Thomas wrote:

Gary Fisher's take on the subject may be of interest to the list. Get that
man a Li'l Loafer!

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/07/16/156854397/some-athletes-reject-high-tech-sports-fuel-in-favor-of-real-food

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Re: [RBW] Re: On carbs, tubby tummies, and sugary sports drinks

I mean, weak COLD tea.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 8:35 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 in hot weather, weak tea with lemon and a little sugar; in cold
 weather, Indian Chai but weakish with not too much milk.


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[RBW] Re: What's a reasonable price for a used Sam Hillborne?

2012-07-17 Thread RJM

Really depends on what components are on it, if it comes with racks/bags, 
what wheels are on it ect.  I think all told, my Sam came in at like $2500, 
but I put phil Rivy wheels on it and some other fine items.  
 

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:54:57 AM UTC-5, Ozonation wrote:

 Hi... new here, but was advised over in Bike Forums to check this user 
 group! I've been seriously considering a Rivendell, and have settled in a 
 Sam Hillborne. I just came across a 2011 SH model going for about $1600 to 
 $1700 - supposedly it has low mileage. *Does this price sound reasonable? 
 Too good to be true?* Even better, the seller is not too far away. If I 
 manage to check it out, any key things I should be looking for on a used 
 Rivendell bike to see if its in good shape as claimed? Thanks a lot. 


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[RBW] Re: Maximum Heart Rate

2012-07-17 Thread Patrick in VT

 On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:15:16 AM UTC-4, Corwin wrote:

 In my opinion, you should know your own limits - but should not let your 
 limits be defined by a gross yardstick. And you should carefully establish 
 your own maximum heart rate, and use it as a tool for your own training - 
 but realize that it's a personal measurement/limit.


That's spot on - max heart rate is different for everybody as everyone's 
physiology is different.  Formulas are often in accurate and if somebody 
really wants to know, they should have some physiological testing done to 
determine it.  But that test isn't fun, and there's no point in doing it 
unless one is really serious about training and already has some solid 
fitness because a true MHR reading takes a true max effort - a lot of 
people quit soon after they reach their anaerobic threshold.

Even without knowing one's true MHR, however, heart rate is an incredibly 
useful tool for gauging health and fitness.  Your heart rate can let you 
know when you need rest, when you're about to get sick, when your fitness 
is improving, when you are over-doing it, etc.  It's truly amazing 
bio-feedback and coupled with other metrics, you can set about manipulating 
and changing your physiology to perform better in a very efficient manner.  
but only if you want to, of course.  

in my own experience, even the slimmest structured training plans, based 
largely on heart rate, can and will lead to a step function improvement in 
performance for any given mode of exercise.  lighter bikes, lighter wheels, 
supple tires, etc. simply can not approach the gains to be had from a very 
modest amount of targeted training.  


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[RBW] Re: Brake Installation Experience

I actually just put some 50mm Big Apples on my 58cm Atlantis with Paul Mini 
Moto's on the front fork. There is clearance...but just barely...maybe a 
1/4 inch...maybe. Probably not safe for riding, but I made it to work today!
 
On Sunday, July 15, 2012 5:05:44 PM UTC-7, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all! 

 It's been awhile since I've posted to the list. I recently decided to sell 
 my Atlantis frame and fork, and I replaced it with a Long Haul Trucker. I 
 had an experience when I was building up the LHT tonight that I wanted to 
 share, because I know this list includes a lot of steadfast cantilever 
 devotees. After I got the fenders, wheels, bar and stem installed; I went 
 to install my Paul Touring Canti brakes. These are among the best and 
 easiest-to-install cantilevers that I've ever used. Still there was 
 considerable fiddling about getting them set up. I installed the levers and 
 went to wire up the brakes when I realized I didn't have a font cable 
 hanger for a 9/8 steerer tube. Ugh! Figured I'd have to pick one up 
 sometime this week.

 It then occurred to me that I had a perfectly good set of linear pulls 
 along with a set of long-pull, Dia-Compe aero levers stashed away 
 somewhere. If I use those, I don't need a hanger at all. This is a Surly 
 not a Rivendell so I shouldn't be subject to too much ridicule for using 
 linear pulls. So I somewhat reluctantly removed the Pauls and dug out the 
 linear pulls (Avid Magnesium Single Digits) and long-pull levers. I was in 
 the process of installing the front V-brake when I realized I was done! I 
 literally laughed aloud! It's been a long time since I've used linear pulls 
 and I forgot how easy they are to set up. I installed the lever and cable 
 and did a spin-and-grab test and the brake felt solid with good power on 
 the first try with no messing around. Now I remember why I felt like it was 
 weird going back to (what I considered to be) archaic cantilevers when I 
 got into the Rivendell world. I didn't see a single picture of a Riv with 
 linear pulls when I bought the Atlantis, so I figured, when in Rome

 Anyway I've got a set of silver Paul Touring Cantis that I'm going to list 
 for sale once I take a few pictures. Complete with straddle cables, 
 mounting hardware, and I think some spare  o-rings. Although, I recommend 
 that you don't buy them and that you get yourself a snappy set of linear 
 pulls! I'll list the brakes in a separate post once I take some pictures. 
 I've got some additional parts I'm going to sell too.

 Cheers!
 Shaun Meehan


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[RBW] The new Atlantis coming together

A few weeks back I was lucky enough to score an Atlantis at a ridiculous
price. Despite the price, purchasing the bike was a tough desicion for me
when I, A) already had a wonderfuly fitting and riding Surly LHT; B) Wasn't
sure that a 58cm atlantis would provide an adequate fit; and C) have a
new 4 month old at home ( I may have left that part our originally!!)

Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase the
bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything could
not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good friend
and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a dream.
And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to fund the
purchase, the wife is happy as well.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WkSN85QEc_M/UAV6Gsy2yWI/ABg/ncgYwb6zCJg/s1600/IMG_0983%5B1%5D.JPG
Here is a picture of the bike as it is now . I added some brown Big Apples
and Paul mini-motos on the front, and swapped out a shorter stem, aside
from that the bike is as it came. I still haven't decided what I am going
to do in regards to the brake levers (as you can tell by my wacked out
cabling and lack of handlebar tape). I had STI's on LHT, and while I don't
miss the intergated shifting, I do miss the nice hand position on top of
the lever. I also think I may like the clean look of aero brakes better.
Does anyone have a suggestion for some nice gum hooded aero brake leves
that offer a nice top hand position?

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Re: [RBW] The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread James Warren


Try these:

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bl6.htm


On Jul 17, 2012, at 7:46 AM, The Cripler wrote:

 A few weeks back I was lucky enough to score an Atlantis at a ridiculous 
 price. Despite the price, purchasing the bike was a tough desicion for me 
 when I, A) already had a wonderfuly fitting and riding Surly LHT; B) Wasn't 
 sure that a 58cm atlantis would provide an adequate fit; and C) have a new 4 
 month old at home ( I may have left that part our originally!!)  
  
 Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase the 
 bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything could not 
 have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good friend and 
 now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a dream. And 
 being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to fund the 
 purchase, the wife is happy as well.
  
 
 
 Here is a picture of the bike as it is now . I added some brown Big Apples 
 and Paul mini-motos on the front, and swapped out a shorter stem, aside from 
 that the bike is as it came. I still haven't decided what I am going to do in 
 regards to the brake levers (as you can tell by my wacked out cabling and 
 lack of handlebar tape). I had STI's on LHT, and while I don't miss the 
 intergated shifting, I do miss the nice hand position on top of the lever. I 
 also think I may like the clean look of aero brakes better. Does anyone have 
 a suggestion for some nice gum hooded aero brake leves that offer a nice top 
 hand position?
 
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RE: [RBW] The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

The TRP Tektro levers on Riv's website are the nicest-feeling levers I've ever 
ridden -- just fantastic.  Here's the link: 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bl6.htm  Very easy to brake from the hoods, 
too.  They look a little funny in the pics (some of them, anyway), but the gum 
hood version looks really nice in the flesh.  Here's a picture of them on my 
SimpleOne: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/6961168232/in/set-72157629391118347


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of The Cripler
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:46 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] The new Atlantis coming together

A few weeks back I was lucky enough to score an Atlantis at a ridiculous price. 
Despite the price, purchasing the bike was a tough desicion for me when I, A) 
already had a wonderfuly fitting and riding Surly LHT; B) Wasn't sure that a 
58cm atlantis would provide an adequate fit; and C) have a new 4 month old at 
home ( I may have left that part our originally!!)

Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase the 
bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything could not 
have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good friend and now 
new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a dream. And being 
that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to fund the purchase, the 
wife is happy as well.


[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WkSN85QEc_M/UAV6Gsy2yWI/ABg/ncgYwb6zCJg/s320/IMG_0983%5B1%5D.JPG]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WkSN85QEc_M/UAV6Gsy2yWI/ABg/ncgYwb6zCJg/s1600/IMG_0983%5B1%5D.JPG

Here is a picture of the bike as it is now . I added some brown Big Apples and 
Paul mini-motos on the front, and swapped out a shorter stem, aside from that 
the bike is as it came. I still haven't decided what I am going to do in 
regards to the brake levers (as you can tell by my wacked out cabling and lack 
of handlebar tape). I had STI's on LHT, and while I don't miss the intergated 
shifting, I do miss the nice hand position on top of the lever. I also think I 
may like the clean look of aero brakes better. Does anyone have a suggestion 
for some nice gum hooded aero brake leves that offer a nice top hand position?

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RE: [RBW] The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

Great looking bike -- congrats!

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Subject: [RBW] The new Atlantis coming together

A few weeks back I was lucky enough to score an Atlantis at a ridiculous price. 
Despite the price, purchasing the bike was a tough desicion for me when I, A) 
already had a wonderfuly fitting and riding Surly LHT; B) Wasn't sure that a 
58cm atlantis would provide an adequate fit; and C) have a new 4 month old at 
home ( I may have left that part our originally!!)

Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase the 
bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything could not 
have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good friend and now 
new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a dream. And being 
that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to fund the purchase, the 
wife is happy as well.

[https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WkSN85QEc_M/UAV6Gsy2yWI/ABg/ncgYwb6zCJg/s320/IMG_0983%5B1%5D.JPG]https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WkSN85QEc_M/UAV6Gsy2yWI/ABg/ncgYwb6zCJg/s1600/IMG_0983%5B1%5D.JPG

Here is a picture of the bike as it is now . I added some brown Big Apples and 
Paul mini-motos on the front, and swapped out a shorter stem, aside from that 
the bike is as it came. I still haven't decided what I am going to do in 
regards to the brake levers (as you can tell by my wacked out cabling and lack 
of handlebar tape). I had STI's on LHT, and while I don't miss the intergated 
shifting, I do miss the nice hand position on top of the lever. I also think I 
may like the clean look of aero brakes better. Does anyone have a suggestion 
for some nice gum hooded aero brake leves that offer a nice top hand position?

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Re: [RBW] The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread Cyclofiend



Here is a picture of the bike as it is now . I added some brown Big  
Apples and Paul mini-motos on the front, and swapped out a shorter  
stem, aside from that the bike is as it came. I still haven't  
decided what I am going to do in regards to the brake levers (as you  
can tell by my wacked out cabling and lack of handlebar tape). I had  
STI's on LHT, and while I don't miss the intergated shifting, I do  
miss the nice hand position on top of the lever. I also think I may  
like the clean look of aero brakes better. Does anyone have a  
suggestion for some nice gum hooded aero brake leves that offer a  
nice top hand position?


The TRP's on the RBW site are pretty gorgeous -
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bl6.htm

But, you do end up having to get the drilled versions (more $'s) to  
get the gum hoods.
Other than that, I haven't seen too many gum hooded levers around.   
Particularly not featuring hidden cable routing.


- Jim / Cyclofiend.com / cyclofi...@gmail.com


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[RBW] Marin 48O

2012-07-17 Thread James Warren


Well, my brother-in-law Joe and I finally did Marin County right for a trip 
that lasted longer than one day. My first adventure in Marin back in 2009 was a 
single night of hotel touring and accidentally meeting up with Esteban, 
Franklyn, Aaron, and a few others and meeting them for the first time. Since 
then, I have tried to get back to Marin for a longer adventure and kept getting 
rained out or sick or some other thing. Finally, Joe and I made it happen. We 
left Friday evening from San Francisco where Joe got off work at 6 PM. We were 
back to his house by 7:30 PM Sunday.

Here is a map of the route and a description below that:

http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/114089915

Friday evening, we crossed the GG bridge heading into Marin.
We climbed Conzelman to the traffic circle.
We rode down Coastal in the dark to Bunker.
We stayed at the Headlands Hostel. I felt like I wasn't taking advantage of the 
tent that was adding to my load. But I liked the Hostel. I used the tent on 
night 2.
Saturday morning we climbed Miwok Trail in the Headlands.
Then we dropped to Tennessee Valley Rd to find and climb Coastal Trail. Tough 
climb, but I made it!
We dropped down Coastal to hang out at Muir Beach for a snack.
We took Hwy 1 North to a lunch stop at Stinson Beach. A lot of cars on a 
Saturday. No choice though.
We took Hwy 1 North to turn right on Randall Trail and climbed up to Bolinas 
Ridge.
We took Bolinas Ridge to Shafter and descended that. That put us on Cross Marin 
Trail.

After taking Cross Marin trail north, we planned to camp at Samuel P Taylor. 
However, we decided we needed to get to Pt. Reyes Station to buy food sooner 
rather than later so we just headed up there before claiming a campsite. Error 
in planning, I'm sure, because perhaps a store in nearby Lagunitas would have 
served us better. But our bumbling ways ended up being more fun in the end. It 
certainly lead to a lot more climbing than we would have done if we had planned 
for more efficiency.

We climbed on Sir Francis Drake to get back over to Hwy 1. There we saw Olema 
Campground and decided to settle for it. And there we found Dustin and Esteban 
near the end of their 8-day tour. Cool!

Day 3 we rode with Dustin and Esteban on the last day of their tour. The route 
went over Mount Tam via Bolinas Fairfax, West Ridgecrest, Old Stage, and 
Railroad grade. Having a great lunch in Mill Valley at Punjabi Burrito with 
Dustin, Esteban, and Joe was a highlight of an already great trip. From Mill 
Valley, Dustin and Esteban rode fast to the city, while Joe and I took it easy. 
We visited the Bay Model in Sausalito and had some ice cream. Then we rode over 
the bridge and back to Caltrain.

Outstanding 48-hour ride in Marin, and our bikes worked well for us. Atlantis 
for me, rear Hoss and front basket with net. Trek 7.2FX for Joe with rear 
panniers and stuff on top of the rear rack.

The Atlantis with a lot of weight on it performed well on the hills. I was able 
to climb and descend in dirt without feeling like this is a crazy thing to do 
with so much stuff attached. I was happy with how much dirt riding we could put 
into our tour and how easy that is to do in Marin. But for me, low gears are a 
must for that. Also, I'm still liking the V-brakes.

-Jim W.

p.s. Pictures prove that I was too tired to document the last half of the ride:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46035786@N07/sets/72157630614961962/with/7587348830/

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Re: [RBW] Summer Helmet

I had one as a younger man that went on top of the helmet like hairnet and
it was just as awesome as it sounds, haha. It did keep the bees and dragon
flies out of your hair when riding around upstate though but man was it
ugly.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Steven Frederick stl...@gmail.com wrote:

You can see it in the second pic here:

http://coachlevi.com/product-reviews/uvex-hawk-bike-helmet/

Steve

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:10 PM, hangtownmatt hangtownm...@yahoo.comwrote:

Steve, can you elaborate a bit more on the proper bug mesh and where to
get it?

Matt

On Friday, July 13, 2012 4:55:51 PM UTC-7, stevef wrote:

Ventilation is good but at least as important to me in the summer is bug
mesh in the front vents. I won't own a helmet again that doesn't have this
feature. Been stung in the scalp once too often!

I'm currently riding in a Uvex Sport Boss with a visor and bug mesh in
the front vents and it works fine. Got it cheap(ish) from Jensen's as I
recall...

They do have some models that are reasonably understated:

http://us.uvex-sports.com/**cycling/news/http://us.uvex-sports.com/cycling/news/

Steve

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[RBW] Re: What's a reasonable price for a used Sam Hillborne?

Well, in case you'd like to include original price in your valuation, bear 
in mind that the Hillborne's historical pricing is complicated. Early in 
2011, framesets from Taiwan were $1,000, Waterford framesets were $1,400 
(Waterford framesets may have been less expensive, say, $1,250, just as 
2011 began). I suspect there's a serial-number/manufacturer relationship 
that RBW might be able to verify for you. My personal recollection is that 
canti-studded frames were all from Waterford and non-canti-studded frames 
were all from Taiwan. (I'd use the name of the manufacturer in Taiwan but 
I've never seen it.) I don't know that anyone has ever expressed the 
opinion that one's frames are somehow better than the other's.
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
who chose Waterford to get canti-studs and two top tubes, which were 
available only from Waterford at one time
 

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 Hi... new here, but was advised over in Bike Forums to check this user 
 group! I've been seriously considering a Rivendell, and have settled in a 
 Sam Hillborne. I just came across a 2011 SH model going for about $1600 to 
 $1700 - supposedly it has low mileage. *Does this price sound reasonable? 
 Too good to be true?* Even better, the seller is not too far away. If I 
 manage to check it out, any key things I should be looking for on a used 
 Rivendell bike to see if its in good shape as claimed? Thanks a lot. 


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[RBW] Re: What's a reasonable price for a used Sam Hillborne?

2012-07-17 Thread islaysteve

I assume you've read the information on the Rivendell site about fit, and 
in particular about the fit of the Sams.  Different Riv models have 
different fit characteristics.  Since you're going to see the bike you can 
check it out for yourself of course.  As I recall, the Taiwan-make Sams 
were the middle sizes and the Waterford-made were the small and large 
frames.  At the time I was wanting a Sam, I would have had to pay quit a 
premium (to me) to get a 48 (I'm short).  Since Riv has the same price on 
the new blue Sams now regardless of size, I'm assuming they are made in 
Taiwan.  Not that it should matter.  Grant has said over and over again 
that the Taiwan-made frames are just as good (well-made) as the Waterford.  
I attest that the workmanship on my (Taiwan) Bleriot seems to be very good.

I agree with what others have said about price:  seems in the ballpark, 
considering equipment.  But another thing that I'd consider is availability 
in your size.  There's not always going to be Riv frame on the used market 
to fit you, regardless of model.  I bought my 51 Bleriot on eBay last year 
and since that time I've seen precious few Riv frames of any kind that 
would fit me.  So I consider myself fortunate.  If you're a middle size, 
situation will be a little better.  Good luck with your looking.  As you've 
probably seen here, most everyone loves their Sams. 

Steve  

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 Too good to be true?* Even better, the seller is not too far away. If I 
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Re: [RBW] Re: On carbs, tubby tummies, and sugary sports drinks

2012-07-17 Thread Mike



 Diluted Gatorade also works for me. 


Yeah, diluted apple juice works too. Like I said, the V8 has been a 
revelation but not something I want to fill my bottles up with. I'm hoping 
to do Larch Mtn on Sat or Sun. If it's hot I'll probably bring a small can 
with me in my bag and just drink it warm at the top of the mtn (14 mile 
climb, no water at the top). In Just Ride Grant says something to the 
effect of If your body needs it, it'll go down regardless if it's warm 
which I think is true. Maybe I'll find out!

--mike 

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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread Mike

Your Atlantis looks beautiful. Looks like all the contact points lined up 
for a good fit while keeping a nice Riv aesthetic. Be sure to update us 
with photos of it in the wild. 

As for gum hoods... I think Cane Creek makes an aero lever with gum hoods. 

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Marin 48O

2012-07-17 Thread Mike

I haven't looked at the pictures yet as I have to go run an errand but just 
reading a description of your route it appears you hit all the great roads 
in the area. I'm from SF and logged thousands of miles in Marin County on 
and off road and yet feel like I missed out as I wasn't into bike camping 
then. Hopefully next year I'll be able to get back down there with my 
Hilsen and revisit old haunts on it.

My wife and I got married in Olema and I got married in Olema so that area 
is that much more special.


--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: What's a reasonable price for a used Sam Hillborne?

I also have to mention that while most used Riv's are well used there is no
point getting one beat to hell when as mentioned earlier if you are an
average size they pop up somewhat often.
 On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean 
thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote:

 Well, in case you'd like to include original price in your valuation, bear
 in mind that the Hillborne's historical pricing is complicated. Early in
 2011, framesets from Taiwan were $1,000, Waterford framesets were $1,400
 (Waterford framesets may have been less expensive, say, $1,250, just as
 2011 began). I suspect there's a serial-number/manufacturer relationship
 that RBW might be able to verify for you. My personal recollection is that
 canti-studded frames were all from Waterford and non-canti-studded frames
 were all from Taiwan. (I'd use the name of the manufacturer in Taiwan but
 I've never seen it.) I don't know that anyone has ever expressed the
 opinion that one's frames are somehow better than the other's.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean
 who chose Waterford to get canti-studs and two top tubes, which were
 available only from Waterford at one time


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 group! I've been seriously considering a Rivendell, and have settled in a
 Sam Hillborne. I just came across a 2011 SH model going for about $1600 to
 $1700 - supposedly it has low mileage. *Does this price sound
 reasonable? Too good to be true?* Even better, the seller is not too far
 away. If I manage to check it out, any key things I should be looking for
 on a used Rivendell bike to see if its in good shape as claimed? Thanks a
 lot.

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Re: [RBW] Re: On carbs, tubby tummies, and sugary sports drinks

2012-07-17 Thread Lyle Bogart

I gave up on sports drinks long ago. On long rides, I'll usually carry a
bottle of water and a bottle of strong-as-death Irish breakfast tea.
Usually, for rides under 2 hours, I won't carry anything at all unless it
is really nasty hot and humid. Instead of goo-packs, I like apples or
sectioned oranges or somesuch. My goo-pack imbibing friends seem to like it
when I carry fresh fruit, too :)

Cheers!

lyle

On 17 July 2012 12:14, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

  Diluted Gatorade also works for me.


 Yeah, diluted apple juice works too. Like I said, the V8 has been a
 revelation but not something I want to fill my bottles up with. I'm hoping
 to do Larch Mtn on Sat or Sun. If it's hot I'll probably bring a small can
 with me in my bag and just drink it warm at the top of the mtn (14 mile
 climb, no water at the top). In Just Ride Grant says something to the
 effect of If your body needs it, it'll go down regardless if it's warm
 which I think is true. Maybe I'll find out!

 --mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread Lyle Bogart

Oh, that's coming together nicely. Keep us updated with pics!

Cheers!

lyle

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 Your Atlantis looks beautiful. Looks like all the contact points lined up
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 As for gum hoods... I think Cane Creek makes an aero lever with gum hoods.

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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread dougP

I added some brown Big Apples and Paul mini-motos on the front,

There was a recent thread regarding V-brakes that included an inquiry
on tire size with the mini-motos.  What size BAs did you use?

Glad that all worked out for you and your friend taking the LHT.
Always nice to pass on a bike to someone you know will use 
appreciate it.

dougP

On Jul 17, 7:46 am, The Cripler citrowbri...@gmail.com wrote:
 A few weeks back I was lucky enough to score an Atlantis at a ridiculous
 price. Despite the price, purchasing the bike was a tough desicion for me
 when I, A) already had a wonderfuly fitting and riding Surly LHT; B) Wasn't
 sure that a 58cm atlantis would provide an adequate fit; and C) have a
 new 4 month old at home ( I may have left that part our originally!!)

 Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase the
 bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything could
 not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good friend
 and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a dream.
 And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to fund the
 purchase, the wife is happy as well.

 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WkSN85QEc_M/UAV6Gsy2yWI/AB...
 Here is a picture of the bike as it is now . I added some brown Big Apples
 and Paul mini-motos on the front, and swapped out a shorter stem, aside
 from that the bike is as it came. I still haven't decided what I am going
 to do in regards to the brake levers (as you can tell by my wacked out
 cabling and lack of handlebar tape). I had STI's on LHT, and while I don't
 miss the intergated shifting, I do miss the nice hand position on top of
 the lever. I also think I may like the clean look of aero brakes better.
 Does anyone have a suggestion for some nice gum hooded aero brake leves
 that offer a nice top hand position?

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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread William

Great looking bike, but you could afford to trim a TON off your shift cable
housing.

My favorite brakelever for your setup is the Tektro R200A. The Cane Creek
gum hoods fit that lever. I stocked up on them when they were selling for
under $20 a pair. I bought gum hoods for about $8 a pair. The reason I
like the R200A is because I like a huge flat area from the ramps to the
hoods, and these offer that.

Example on one bike:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/6278680433/in/set-72157626511175478

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Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase
the bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything
could not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good
friend and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a
dream. And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to
fund the purchase, the wife is happy as well.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Long cage rear derailer

2012-07-17 Thread Zack

Got one, thanks for the help fellas!

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[RBW] Gals on a tour!

2012-07-17 Thread Liesl

This morning on my way I to work, I came across 3 women with bikes fully 
loaded crossing the Mississippi River on the Marshall Avenue Bridge.  
They're on a cross-country tour from Seattle to NYC, their home port.  
Didn't get their names, but one was on a blue LHT.  Made my heart sing.  If 
you come across 'em, tell them the woman on the Mississippi bridge in the 
Twin Cities says You still rock!

Liesl 
Wish-I-were-younger-and-could-go-on-a-huge-time-consuming-adventure-again 
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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread Leslie

 
Congrats!!!

FWIW, I like the Tektro 200's also, have them on my Ram's Noodles...   

Enjoy!!!



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Re: [RBW] Re: On carbs, tubby tummies, and sugary sports drinks

2012-07-17 Thread Toshi Takeuchi

On a hot, sweaty day, V8s are amazing for me.  I'll drink 24oz per
stop. It doesn't replace many calories, but it certainly replaces the
electrolytes. I'm going to make my first batch of the famous Allen Lim
rice cakes this weekend and see how those taste while riding.

Toshi

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[RBW] King Grip Pedals

2012-07-17 Thread Rex Kerr

I had some 5% back store credit burning a hole in my rivbike.com account,
so I recently made a purchase.  (Thanks guys!)  Part of my order was a
pair of King Grip pedals.  Did my first ride with them today and thought
I'd share my thoughts for those who are considering them.

The ride was my normal 10 mile commute, unseasonably cool with a slight
breeze.  Rode in my size 14 Chaco sandals, with socks (fashion at its
best!) due to the cooler temperatures.

Last night I installed the pedals.  They were surprisingly light.  They
look very bulky and heavy, but when I held them I was pleasantly surprised.
 Too lazy to find the grease, so I put a dab of wax based chain lube on the
threads and figured the existing grease in the crank arms would be
sufficient.  The spindles have both hex flats for a 14 mm pedal wrench and
recessed holes for an allen wrench.  I used the flats since I already had
the pedal wrench in hand from removing the MKS touring pedals.

The MKS touring pedals were bothering me in that I was constantly suffering
from pedal strike.  I tried, seriously, to teach myself how close they were
to the ground, but it seemed that even on the most subtle of turns they
would touch the ground.  The King Grip pedals, on the other hand, had
amazing clearance.  I pedaled through every turn, even some that I
shouldn't have and couldn't get them to hit the ground.  I tried standing
with one foot low and swerving back and forth on the bike trail trying to
get them to touch, and they didn't.  They had GREAT clearance!  (Grant
responded to my previous complaints about the MKS pedals, indicating that
the King Grips had the best clearance of the pedals they sell)

On the MKS pedals I have been using powergrip straps.  I didn't miss the
attachment at all with the King Grip pedals as the platform held the shoe
in place well.

Overall they were good pedals.  My concern, though, is that they felt too
narrow.  I felt like I had to keep my feet in just the right place to keep
them centered over the pedal, and yet I was still pushing against the
straps of my sandals as my foot wanted to migrate outwards.  It may be
because I tend to pedal somewhat toe out, and on my old Speedplay Frog
pedals I always special ordered them with extra long spindles, but I think
that I'd also prefer a longer spindle with the King Grip pedal so that I
could feel like my foot was actually on the pedal.  Maybe I should try them
with a set of those knee saver spacer, but I don't have any available.  I
also quickly understood why some here have been adding an extra support
along the outer edge and am somewhat tempted to go back through the
archives and see who was selling those and try to modify these accordingly.

Anyhow, hope that this quick review is helpful to anybody considering these
pedals...

-Rex

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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

Thanks for all the suggestions. I was looking at those TRP levers, and they
look beautiful...but also spendy. William, I am going to have to look into
the Tektro levers you suggested. If I added the hoods you suggested, they
look like they might provide a nice budget solution for the time being. As
to the brake cable housing,the original owner was running a 120 stem. I
swapped this out for a 90. He had the cable running long for his 120...now
they are really long. I plan on getting the cables all cleaned up when I
get the cockpit finalied and taped. I will take some pics from my ride
tonight!

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Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase
the bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything
could not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good
friend and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a
dream. And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to
fund the purchase, the wife is happy as well.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of Just Ride.

2012-07-17 Thread Joe Bernard

Recumbents are an excellent change-of-pace from uprights..I think all 
serious riders should try one at least once. I have a trike which I enjoy 
very much.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:54:25 AM UTC-7, stevef wrote:



 On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:28 AM, erik jensen bicyclen...@gmail.comwrote:

 this thread started before i left to ride my atlantis across the cascades 
 and elsewhere, and i return to see it continues...

 ...What have all the posters in this thread been doing? I'd much rather 
 hear about that.

 Ride on,

 erik



 Well, since you asked, Erik, and since I started this thread (with the 
 best of intentions, too!) I'll offer that I've been riding, though not as 
 much or in the way I'd prefer.  I'm dealing with a herniated disc in my 
 neck and it put me off the bike for a while but now I'm okay to ride so 
 long as I take it easy.  I bought a used recumbent to try.  It's actually 
 kind of fun, and I think I'll keep it for change of pace rides even after 
 my neck heals up!  I also re-riv'd the fit of a couple of my upright bikes, 
 raising the bars a couple of cm's above the saddle to ease strain on my 
 shoulders and neck and that's worked out well so far.

 It's a gradual healing process--evidently, assuming I don't re-injure or 
 irritate it, it will take 4-6 months (first symptoms serious enough to seek 
 medical help were in early May though I think this has been coming on even 
 longer) for it to heal and it will leave me slightly more prone to such 
 injuries in the future.  Thrilled I ain't--heck, I'm just now drawing a 
 bead on 50 and I've got a lot more years and miles of riding I want to do!

 So, no biking holidays or long trips for me this year--easy rides around 
 home and time to reflect on the fragility of life and health over a beer or 
 three instead...

 Here's my 'bent if anyone is curious--on topic only because it let me keep 
 riding when even my Rambouillet was temporarily uncomfortable...

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/7421489358/in/photostream

 Steve


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[RBW] Re: On carbs, tubby tummies, and sugary sports drinks

2012-07-17 Thread Patrick in VT

On Monday, July 16, 2012 7:19:32 PM UTC-4, Aaron Thomas wrote:



 http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/07/16/156854397/some-athletes-reject-high-tech-sports-fuel-in-favor-of-real-food


Anybody ever try Switchel (a/k/a Haymakers' Punch)?  It's a favorite 
homebrew energy drink in New England.  Very satisfying and effective in 
warm weather.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchel

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Re: [RBW] Re: On carbs, tubby tummies, and sugary sports drinks

2012-07-17 Thread Lyle Bogart

Wow! Patrick, I haven't thought about Switchel in eons! We used to drink
that a lot back when I was a kid and working on dairy farms back home in
Vermont. I think I'm going to have to make a batch!

Cheers!

lyle

On 17 July 2012 14:09, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote:

On Monday, July 16, 2012 7:19:32 PM UTC-4, Aaron Thomas wrote:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/**thesalt/2012/07/16/156854397/**
some-athletes-reject-high-**tech-sports-fuel-in-favor-of-**real-foodhttp://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/07/16/156854397/some-athletes-reject-high-tech-sports-fuel-in-favor-of-real-food

Anybody ever try Switchel (a/k/a Haymakers' Punch)? It's a favorite
homebrew energy drink in New England. Very satisfying and effective in
warm weather. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchel

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[RBW] WTT my 10cm Technomic stem for your 11 or 12

Got mine new and put a couple hundred miles on mine before switching
to an 8 for my Noodle bars. So pretty much new plus a few insertion
type scratch.

Looking for an 11 or 12 to try Albas.

I'll be in Meredith NH for a month starting next week, if you're local
to that area we could save a few bucks in postage. If not, I'm happy
to send mine 1st.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: King Grip Pedals

I've got a pair waiting for me at the post office. :)
 Should be able to add my impressions by the weekend.

On Jul 17, 8:57 pm, Rex Kerr rexk...@gmail.com wrote:
 I had some 5% back store credit burning a hole in my rivbike.com account,
 so I recently made a purchase.  (Thanks guys!)  Part of my order was a
 pair of King Grip pedals.  Did my first ride with them today and thought
 I'd share my thoughts for those who are considering them.

 The ride was my normal 10 mile commute, unseasonably cool with a slight
 breeze.  Rode in my size 14 Chaco sandals, with socks (fashion at its
 best!) due to the cooler temperatures.

 Last night I installed the pedals.  They were surprisingly light.  They
 look very bulky and heavy, but when I held them I was pleasantly surprised.
  Too lazy to find the grease, so I put a dab of wax based chain lube on the
 threads and figured the existing grease in the crank arms would be
 sufficient.  The spindles have both hex flats for a 14 mm pedal wrench and
 recessed holes for an allen wrench.  I used the flats since I already had
 the pedal wrench in hand from removing the MKS touring pedals.

 The MKS touring pedals were bothering me in that I was constantly suffering
 from pedal strike.  I tried, seriously, to teach myself how close they were
 to the ground, but it seemed that even on the most subtle of turns they
 would touch the ground.  The King Grip pedals, on the other hand, had
 amazing clearance.  I pedaled through every turn, even some that I
 shouldn't have and couldn't get them to hit the ground.  I tried standing
 with one foot low and swerving back and forth on the bike trail trying to
 get them to touch, and they didn't.  They had GREAT clearance!  (Grant
 responded to my previous complaints about the MKS pedals, indicating that
 the King Grips had the best clearance of the pedals they sell)

 On the MKS pedals I have been using powergrip straps.  I didn't miss the
 attachment at all with the King Grip pedals as the platform held the shoe
 in place well.

 Overall they were good pedals.  My concern, though, is that they felt too
 narrow.  I felt like I had to keep my feet in just the right place to keep
 them centered over the pedal, and yet I was still pushing against the
 straps of my sandals as my foot wanted to migrate outwards.  It may be
 because I tend to pedal somewhat toe out, and on my old Speedplay Frog
 pedals I always special ordered them with extra long spindles, but I think
 that I'd also prefer a longer spindle with the King Grip pedal so that I
 could feel like my foot was actually on the pedal.  Maybe I should try them
 with a set of those knee saver spacer, but I don't have any available.  I
 also quickly understood why some here have been adding an extra support
 along the outer edge and am somewhat tempted to go back through the
 archives and see who was selling those and try to modify these accordingly.

 Anyhow, hope that this quick review is helpful to anybody considering these
 pedals...

 -Rex

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[RBW] Re: King Grip Pedals

2012-07-17 Thread William

Grip Kings are great.  I humbly remind the group that I have in the past 
sold a modification to Grip Kings to transform them into Grip King 
Supremes.  I will be selling them again in the future.  What I've made and 
sold is aluminum cages that sandwich in and enhance the platform width 
while sacrificing zero turning clearance.  

My retired father is picking away at redoing the tooling, which will put me 
in charge of production.  I've got about ten names and email addresses for 
the folks that want to buy them when I have them again.  $25 shipped is the 
price.  

Here's the youtube I did when I first prototyped these.  You can make your 
own, DIY for under $5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo0YlOqqISs 

Here's some photos of our product version, that we have sold (to rave 
reviews) and will sell in the future

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629107195978/ 

To those that are still waiting, I have not forgotten.  To those that want 
to be on the list, let me know.  

Bill

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:57:14 AM UTC-7, Rex Kerr wrote:

 I had some 5% back store credit burning a hole in my rivbike.com account, 
 so I recently made a purchase.  (Thanks guys!)  Part of my order was a 
 pair of King Grip pedals.  Did my first ride with them today and thought 
 I'd share my thoughts for those who are considering them.

 The ride was my normal 10 mile commute, unseasonably cool with a slight 
 breeze.  Rode in my size 14 Chaco sandals, with socks (fashion at its 
 best!) due to the cooler temperatures.

 Last night I installed the pedals.  They were surprisingly light.  They 
 look very bulky and heavy, but when I held them I was pleasantly surprised. 
  Too lazy to find the grease, so I put a dab of wax based chain lube on the 
 threads and figured the existing grease in the crank arms would be 
 sufficient.  The spindles have both hex flats for a 14 mm pedal wrench and 
 recessed holes for an allen wrench.  I used the flats since I already had 
 the pedal wrench in hand from removing the MKS touring pedals.

 The MKS touring pedals were bothering me in that I was constantly 
 suffering from pedal strike.  I tried, seriously, to teach myself how close 
 they were to the ground, but it seemed that even on the most subtle of 
 turns they would touch the ground.  The King Grip pedals, on the other 
 hand, had amazing clearance.  I pedaled through every turn, even some that 
 I shouldn't have and couldn't get them to hit the ground.  I tried standing 
 with one foot low and swerving back and forth on the bike trail trying to 
 get them to touch, and they didn't.  They had GREAT clearance!  (Grant 
 responded to my previous complaints about the MKS pedals, indicating that 
 the King Grips had the best clearance of the pedals they sell)

 On the MKS pedals I have been using powergrip straps.  I didn't miss the 
 attachment at all with the King Grip pedals as the platform held the shoe 
 in place well.

 Overall they were good pedals.  My concern, though, is that they felt too 
 narrow.  I felt like I had to keep my feet in just the right place to keep 
 them centered over the pedal, and yet I was still pushing against the 
 straps of my sandals as my foot wanted to migrate outwards.  It may be 
 because I tend to pedal somewhat toe out, and on my old Speedplay Frog 
 pedals I always special ordered them with extra long spindles, but I think 
 that I'd also prefer a longer spindle with the King Grip pedal so that I 
 could feel like my foot was actually on the pedal.  Maybe I should try them 
 with a set of those knee saver spacer, but I don't have any available.  I 
 also quickly understood why some here have been adding an extra support 
 along the outer edge and am somewhat tempted to go back through the 
 archives and see who was selling those and try to modify these accordingly.

 Anyhow, hope that this quick review is helpful to anybody considering 
 these pedals...

 -Rex




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Re: [RBW] Re: King Grip Pedals

2012-07-17 Thread Rex Kerr

Ah, you've saved me the time of going through the archives to find you. :-)

I'd like to be on your list.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Grip Kings are great.  I humbly remind the group that I have in the past
 sold a modification to Grip Kings to transform them into Grip King
 Supremes.  I will be selling them again in the future.  What I've made and
 sold is aluminum cages that sandwich in and enhance the platform width
 while sacrificing zero turning clearance.

 My retired father is picking away at redoing the tooling, which will put
 me in charge of production.  I've got about ten names and email addresses
 for the folks that want to buy them when I have them again.  $25 shipped is
 the price.

 Here's the youtube I did when I first prototyped these.  You can make your
 own, DIY for under $5.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo0YlOqqISs

 Here's some photos of our product version, that we have sold (to rave
 reviews) and will sell in the future

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157629107195978/

 To those that are still waiting, I have not forgotten.  To those that want
 to be on the list, let me know.

 Bill


 On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:57:14 AM UTC-7, Rex Kerr wrote:

 I had some 5% back store credit burning a hole in my rivbike.comaccount, so 
 I recently made a purchase.  (Thanks guys!)  Part of my order
 was a pair of King Grip pedals.  Did my first ride with them today and
 thought I'd share my thoughts for those who are considering them.

 The ride was my normal 10 mile commute, unseasonably cool with a slight
 breeze.  Rode in my size 14 Chaco sandals, with socks (fashion at its
 best!) due to the cooler temperatures.

 Last night I installed the pedals.  They were surprisingly light.  They
 look very bulky and heavy, but when I held them I was pleasantly surprised.
  Too lazy to find the grease, so I put a dab of wax based chain lube on the
 threads and figured the existing grease in the crank arms would be
 sufficient.  The spindles have both hex flats for a 14 mm pedal wrench and
 recessed holes for an allen wrench.  I used the flats since I already had
 the pedal wrench in hand from removing the MKS touring pedals.

 The MKS touring pedals were bothering me in that I was constantly
 suffering from pedal strike.  I tried, seriously, to teach myself how close
 they were to the ground, but it seemed that even on the most subtle of
 turns they would touch the ground.  The King Grip pedals, on the other
 hand, had amazing clearance.  I pedaled through every turn, even some that
 I shouldn't have and couldn't get them to hit the ground.  I tried standing
 with one foot low and swerving back and forth on the bike trail trying to
 get them to touch, and they didn't.  They had GREAT clearance!  (Grant
 responded to my previous complaints about the MKS pedals, indicating that
 the King Grips had the best clearance of the pedals they sell)

 On the MKS pedals I have been using powergrip straps.  I didn't miss the
 attachment at all with the King Grip pedals as the platform held the shoe
 in place well.

 Overall they were good pedals.  My concern, though, is that they felt too
 narrow.  I felt like I had to keep my feet in just the right place to keep
 them centered over the pedal, and yet I was still pushing against the
 straps of my sandals as my foot wanted to migrate outwards.  It may be
 because I tend to pedal somewhat toe out, and on my old Speedplay Frog
 pedals I always special ordered them with extra long spindles, but I think
 that I'd also prefer a longer spindle with the King Grip pedal so that I
 could feel like my foot was actually on the pedal.  Maybe I should try them
 with a set of those knee saver spacer, but I don't have any available.  I
 also quickly understood why some here have been adding an extra support
 along the outer edge and am somewhat tempted to go back through the
 archives and see who was selling those and try to modify these accordingly.

 Anyhow, hope that this quick review is helpful to anybody considering
 these pedals...

 -Rex


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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread thalasin



 I'd be really interested in hearing your comparison of ride quality of the 
 LHT vs. Atlantis.  I have a Trucker but have always lusted after the 
 Atlantis...The LHT rides like a tank and feels incredibly slow.  I can't 
 imagine that I'd be able to manage over 8 mph with any kind of load on it.  
 Granted, a lot of that could be the engine, but would love to hear your 
 insights of one versus the other.
  

Tracy 

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Re: [RBW] King Grip Pedals

2012-07-17 Thread Steve Wimberg

I highly recommend the pedal spikes that Riv sells.  I found that the Grip 
Kings became much less grippy when they got wet.  After adding the spikes 
(which really aren't spikes, but more of a flat topped screw) my feet do not 
slip one bit when riding in rain, dry, whatever.  

FWIW, my riding shoes are the cycling version of the Keen Coronado, which are a 
bit like firmer, wider Chuck Taylors - flat rubber bottoms.

Steve

On Jul 17, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Rex Kerr wrote:

 I had some 5% back store credit burning a hole in my rivbike.com account, so 
 I recently made a purchase.  (Thanks guys!)  Part of my order was a pair of 
 King Grip pedals.  Did my first ride with them today and thought I'd share my 
 thoughts for those who are considering them.
 
 The ride was my normal 10 mile commute, unseasonably cool with a slight 
 breeze.  Rode in my size 14 Chaco sandals, with socks (fashion at its best!) 
 due to the cooler temperatures.
 
 Last night I installed the pedals.  They were surprisingly light.  They look 
 very bulky and heavy, but when I held them I was pleasantly surprised.  Too 
 lazy to find the grease, so I put a dab of wax based chain lube on the 
 threads and figured the existing grease in the crank arms would be 
 sufficient.  The spindles have both hex flats for a 14 mm pedal wrench and 
 recessed holes for an allen wrench.  I used the flats since I already had the 
 pedal wrench in hand from removing the MKS touring pedals.
 
 The MKS touring pedals were bothering me in that I was constantly suffering 
 from pedal strike.  I tried, seriously, to teach myself how close they were 
 to the ground, but it seemed that even on the most subtle of turns they would 
 touch the ground.  The King Grip pedals, on the other hand, had amazing 
 clearance.  I pedaled through every turn, even some that I shouldn't have and 
 couldn't get them to hit the ground.  I tried standing with one foot low and 
 swerving back and forth on the bike trail trying to get them to touch, and 
 they didn't.  They had GREAT clearance!  (Grant responded to my previous 
 complaints about the MKS pedals, indicating that the King Grips had the best 
 clearance of the pedals they sell)
 
 On the MKS pedals I have been using powergrip straps.  I didn't miss the 
 attachment at all with the King Grip pedals as the platform held the shoe in 
 place well.
 
 Overall they were good pedals.  My concern, though, is that they felt too 
 narrow.  I felt like I had to keep my feet in just the right place to keep 
 them centered over the pedal, and yet I was still pushing against the straps 
 of my sandals as my foot wanted to migrate outwards.  It may be because I 
 tend to pedal somewhat toe out, and on my old Speedplay Frog pedals I always 
 special ordered them with extra long spindles, but I think that I'd also 
 prefer a longer spindle with the King Grip pedal so that I could feel like my 
 foot was actually on the pedal.  Maybe I should try them with a set of those 
 knee saver spacer, but I don't have any available.  I also quickly 
 understood why some here have been adding an extra support along the outer 
 edge and am somewhat tempted to go back through the archives and see who was 
 selling those and try to modify these accordingly.
 
 Anyhow, hope that this quick review is helpful to anybody considering these 
 pedals...
 
 -Rex
 
 
 
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[RBW] Re: WTT my 10cm Technomic stem for your 11 or 12

Should have mentioned that mine is 26mm diameter - Noodle sized.
If yours is 25.4 so much the better. If not I'll need a shim.

If anyone wants to buy the 10 cm that would be fine too. Say $30
including shipping. Riv has them on closeout for $40 + shipping so $30
seems about right.

Jay

On Jul 17, 9:17 pm, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got mine new and put a couple hundred miles on mine before switching
 to an 8 for my Noodle bars. So pretty much new plus a few insertion
 type scratch.

 Looking for an 11 or 12 to try Albas.

 I'll be in Meredith NH for a month starting next week, if you're local
 to that area we could save a few bucks in postage. If not, I'm happy
 to send mine 1st.

 Jay

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Re: [RBW] King Grip Pedals

I have Grip Kings on both my bikes. I have RBW's spikes on one face of 
each pedal on one bike, no spikes on my newer bike's pedals. It is on the 
list of things to do to put the spikes on one face of each pedal on my 
newer bike.
 
Unless it's really wet or snowy, I prefer the absence of the spikes; it 
lets me position my foot most freely, which I like very much.
 
When it is very wet or snowy, I flip to the spiked face for secure footing; 
those conditions do make the pedals somewhat slippery.
 
I find the Grip Kings nearly ideal for all the riding I do on trail and 
pavement.
 
Just for context (which matters a lot given the huge variety of riding done 
by the folks on this group): Most often my rides are 5-10 miles at a 
stretch, every week or so 30-40 miles, never more than 60 miles (yet). I 
ride in Keen leather or Keen canvas shoes or Keen sandals.
 
Sometimes I consider trying other pedals. But the Grip Kings provide no 
compelling reason for me to do so.
 
Same with the Keen footwear (both for riding and in general). The big Keen 
toe box will keep me a Keen customer until they do something to screw it up.
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:53:07 PM UTC-5, stevew wrote:

 I highly recommend the pedal spikes that Riv sells.  I found that the Grip 
 Kings became much less grippy when they got wet.  After adding the spikes 
 (which really aren't spikes, but more of a flat topped screw) my feet do 
 not slip one bit when riding in rain, dry, whatever.  

 FWIW, my riding shoes are the cycling version of the Keen Coronado, which 
 are a bit like firmer, wider Chuck Taylors - flat rubber bottoms.

 Steve

 On Jul 17, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Rex Kerr wrote:

 I had some 5% back store credit burning a hole in my rivbike.com account, 
 so I recently made a purchase.  (Thanks guys!)  Part of my order was a 
 pair of King Grip pedals.  Did my first ride with them today and thought 
 I'd share my thoughts for those who are considering them.

 The ride was my normal 10 mile commute, unseasonably cool with a slight 
 breeze.  Rode in my size 14 Chaco sandals, with socks (fashion at its 
 best!) due to the cooler temperatures.

 Last night I installed the pedals.  They were surprisingly light.  They 
 look very bulky and heavy, but when I held them I was pleasantly surprised. 
  Too lazy to find the grease, so I put a dab of wax based chain lube on the 
 threads and figured the existing grease in the crank arms would be 
 sufficient.  The spindles have both hex flats for a 14 mm pedal wrench and 
 recessed holes for an allen wrench.  I used the flats since I already had 
 the pedal wrench in hand from removing the MKS touring pedals.

 The MKS touring pedals were bothering me in that I was constantly 
 suffering from pedal strike.  I tried, seriously, to teach myself how close 
 they were to the ground, but it seemed that even on the most subtle of 
 turns they would touch the ground.  The King Grip pedals, on the other 
 hand, had amazing clearance.  I pedaled through every turn, even some that 
 I shouldn't have and couldn't get them to hit the ground.  I tried standing 
 with one foot low and swerving back and forth on the bike trail trying to 
 get them to touch, and they didn't.  They had GREAT clearance!  (Grant 
 responded to my previous complaints about the MKS pedals, indicating that 
 the King Grips had the best clearance of the pedals they sell)

 On the MKS pedals I have been using powergrip straps.  I didn't miss the 
 attachment at all with the King Grip pedals as the platform held the shoe 
 in place well.

 Overall they were good pedals.  My concern, though, is that they felt too 
 narrow.  I felt like I had to keep my feet in just the right place to keep 
 them centered over the pedal, and yet I was still pushing against the 
 straps of my sandals as my foot wanted to migrate outwards.  It may be 
 because I tend to pedal somewhat toe out, and on my old Speedplay Frog 
 pedals I always special ordered them with extra long spindles, but I think 
 that I'd also prefer a longer spindle with the King Grip pedal so that I 
 could feel like my foot was actually on the pedal.  Maybe I should try them 
 with a set of those knee saver spacer, but I don't have any available.  I 
 also quickly understood why some here have been adding an extra support 
 along the outer edge and am somewhat tempted to go back through the 
 archives and see who was selling those and try to modify these accordingly.

 Anyhow, hope that this quick review is helpful to anybody considering 
 these pedals...

 -Rex






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Re: [RBW] Re: On carbs, tubby tummies, and sugary sports drinks

2012-07-17 Thread Patrick in VT

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:14:53 PM UTC-4, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com wrote:

 Wow! Patrick, I haven't thought about Switchel in eons! We used to drink 
 that a lot back when I was a kid and working on dairy farms back home in 
 Vermont. I think I'm going to have to make a batch!


Right on!  Definitely more fun to make your own, but maybe coming to a 
store near you soon - http://7dvt.com/2012vermont-switchel


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[RBW] Re: What's a reasonable price for a used Sam Hillborne?

+1 on loving their Sams.
 
I loved the Hillborne from the very first time I sat atop one. It just felt 
right. I bought an orange 2010 DTT canti-studded Hillborne. Several 
thousand miles of riding did not change my opinion of it. So when time came 
to get a second bike, I got a green 2012 Hillborne just like it.
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:10:06 AM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote:

 As you've probably seen here, most everyone loves their Sams. 

 Steve  

 On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:54:57 AM UTC-4, Ozonation wrote:

 Hi... new here, but was advised over in Bike Forums to check this user 
 group! I've been seriously considering a Rivendell, and have settled in a 
 Sam Hillborne. I just came across a 2011 SH model going for about $1600 to 
 $1700 - supposedly it has low mileage. *Does this price sound 
 reasonable? Too good to be true?* Even better, the seller is not too far 
 away. If I manage to check it out, any key things I should be looking for 
 on a used Rivendell bike to see if its in good shape as claimed? Thanks a 
 lot. 



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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

Wow! I see very little space between those mini-motos and the tire. Perhaps 
that's an effect of the photo.
 
I love Paul Components's stuff in general. I sort of wish the mini-motos 
had been available when I was building up my first bike. They look so 
clean! And when I look around I see more choices in short-pull levers than 
in the long-pull levers required by my (full-sized) Motolites.
 
But I don't complain in general: the Motolites and my Paul Love Levers have 
been fantastic for me ever since I switched to using them. Very effective. 
Very confidence-inspiring. Very pretty, too, IMHO.
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:40:59 AM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

 I added some brown Big Apples and Paul mini-motos on the front, 

 There was a recent thread regarding V-brakes that included an inquiry 
 on tire size with the mini-motos.  What size BAs did you use? 

 Glad that all worked out for you and your friend taking the LHT. 
 Always nice to pass on a bike to someone you know will use  
 appreciate it. 

 dougP 

 On Jul 17, 7:46 am, The Cripler citrowbri...@gmail.com wrote: 
  A few weeks back I was lucky enough to score an Atlantis at a ridiculous 
  price. Despite the price, purchasing the bike was a tough desicion for 
 me 
  when I, A) already had a wonderfuly fitting and riding Surly LHT; B) 
 Wasn't 
  sure that a 58cm atlantis would provide an adequate fit; and C) have a 
  new 4 month old at home ( I may have left that part our originally!!) 
  
  Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase 
 the 
  bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything could 
  not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good 
 friend 
  and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a 
 dream. 
  And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to fund 
 the 
  purchase, the wife is happy as well. 
  
  https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WkSN85QEc_M/UAV6Gsy2yWI/AB... 

  Here is a picture of the bike as it is now . I added some brown Big 
 Apples 
  and Paul mini-motos on the front, and swapped out a shorter stem, aside 
  from that the bike is as it came. I still haven't decided what I am 
 going 
  to do in regards to the brake levers (as you can tell by my wacked out 
  cabling and lack of handlebar tape). I had STI's on LHT, and while I 
 don't 
  miss the intergated shifting, I do miss the nice hand position on top of 
  the lever. I also think I may like the clean look of aero brakes better. 
  Does anyone have a suggestion for some nice gum hooded aero brake leves 
  that offer a nice top hand position?

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[RBW] 53cm Atlantis on PDX CL

2012-07-17 Thread Norman Bone

On the PDX CL. Not mine:

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/bik/3145595792.html

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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

Thomas,

There really is VERY little space between the BA's and the mini moto's.
Maybe a 1/4 inch...maybe. Actually, it is probably not really a long term
solution, or even a safe option at that. It kind of bums me out a little to
be honest. I really want to run those brown Big Apples, but it looks like I
would have to run canti's to make it work. I am not a huge fan of canti's
after having v-brakes with travel agents on my LHT. Maybe some one has a
solution for me that allows me to keep the Big Apples and not have to
revert to cantis. If not, I may be offering up an essentially brand new
high polish Paul mini-moto for sale here.

All that said, I did get a chance to take the Atlantis out on a ride at
lunch..I haven't been pitched over the bars as of yet.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-EVDl8QfdMPI/UAXfi8rfu-I/ABs/tA1bz-vbLwU/s1600/IMG_0984%5B1%5D.JPG

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:46:06 AM UTC-7, The Cripler wrote:

Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase
the bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything
could not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good
friend and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a
dream. And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to
fund the purchase, the wife is happy as well.

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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

Thomas,

Here is a close-up of the clearance. Kinda scary really:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PSorbVVk4aw/UAXi_KmWyMI/AB4/i1KFvXJKBws/s1600/IMG_0986%5B1%5D.JPG

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:46:06 AM UTC-7, The Cripler wrote:

Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase
the bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything
could not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good
friend and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a
dream. And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to
fund the purchase, the wife is happy as well.

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[RBW] Speaking of niches ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-akkbNyiXEfeature=player_embedded

As fun as a litter of kittens in a dryer!



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Re: [RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

Yowza and ppl are worried about fender clearance! I dont have some love of
any kind of brake setup, they all seemed adequate in terms of stopping for
me but it seems if you have the scratch for Paul's than the neo retros look
like the dogs bollocks of all canti brakes.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:11 PM, The Cripler citrowbri...@gmail.com wrote:

Thomas,

Here is a close-up of the clearance. Kinda scary really:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PSorbVVk4aw/UAXi_KmWyMI/AB4/i1KFvXJKBws/s1600/IMG_0986%5B1%5D.JPG

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:46:06 AM UTC-7, The Cripler wrote:

Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase
the bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything
could not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good
friend and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a
dream. And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to
fund the purchase, the wife is happy as well.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WkSN85QEc_M/UAV6Gsy2yWI/ABg/ncgYwb6zCJg/s1600/IMG_0983%5B1%5D.JPG
Here is a picture of the bike as it is now . I added some brown Big
Apples and Paul mini-motos on the front, and swapped out a shorter
stem, aside from that the bike is as it came. I still haven't decided what
I am going to do in regards to the brake levers (as you can tell by my
wacked out cabling and lack of handlebar tape). I had STI's on LHT, and
while I don't miss the intergated shifting, I do miss the nice hand
position on top of the lever. I also think I may like the clean look of
aero brakes better. Does anyone have a suggestion for some nice gum hooded
aero brake leves that offer a nice top hand position?

[RBW] Re: King Grip Pedals

2012-07-17 Thread Philip Williamson

I've had good success with skateboard grip tape on pedals that seemed too
small:
http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/griptape-on-platform-pedals/

And ones that are gigantic:
http://problemsolversbike.com/blog/comments/how_to_make_skateboard_pedal_decks_for_clipless_pedals/

One day I will have some Grip Kings with the Supreme mod, spikes, and grip
tape.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:57:14 AM UTC-7, Rex Kerr wrote:

I had some 5% back store credit burning a hole in my rivbike.com account,
so I recently made a purchase. (Thanks guys!) Part of my order was a
pair of King Grip pedals. Did my first ride with them today and thought
I'd share my thoughts for those who are considering them.

The ride was my normal 10 mile commute, unseasonably cool with a slight
breeze. Rode in my size 14 Chaco sandals, with socks (fashion at its
best!) due to the cooler temperatures.

Last night I installed the pedals. They were surprisingly light. They
look very bulky and heavy, but when I held them I was pleasantly surprised.
Too lazy to find the grease, so I put a dab of wax based chain lube on the
threads and figured the existing grease in the crank arms would be
sufficient. The spindles have both hex flats for a 14 mm pedal wrench and
recessed holes for an allen wrench. I used the flats since I already had
the pedal wrench in hand from removing the MKS touring pedals.

The MKS touring pedals were bothering me in that I was constantly
suffering from pedal strike. I tried, seriously, to teach myself how close
they were to the ground, but it seemed that even on the most subtle of
turns they would touch the ground. The King Grip pedals, on the other
hand, had amazing clearance. I pedaled through every turn, even some that
I shouldn't have and couldn't get them to hit the ground. I tried standing
with one foot low and swerving back and forth on the bike trail trying to
get them to touch, and they didn't. They had GREAT clearance! (Grant
responded to my previous complaints about the MKS pedals, indicating that
the King Grips had the best clearance of the pedals they sell)

On the MKS pedals I have been using powergrip straps. I didn't miss the
attachment at all with the King Grip pedals as the platform held the shoe
in place well.

Overall they were good pedals. My concern, though, is that they felt too
narrow. I felt like I had to keep my feet in just the right place to keep
them centered over the pedal, and yet I was still pushing against the
straps of my sandals as my foot wanted to migrate outwards. It may be
because I tend to pedal somewhat toe out, and on my old Speedplay Frog
pedals I always special ordered them with extra long spindles, but I think
that I'd also prefer a longer spindle with the King Grip pedal so that I
could feel like my foot was actually on the pedal. Maybe I should try them
with a set of those knee saver spacer, but I don't have any available. I
also quickly understood why some here have been adding an extra support
along the outer edge and am somewhat tempted to go back through the
archives and see who was selling those and try to modify these accordingly.

Anyhow, hope that this quick review is helpful to anybody considering
these pedals...

-Rex

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Re: [RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

Peter,

Unfortunately my tastes run richer than my wallet. This is how I ended up
with the Paul mini-motos. The fact that I live in Chico, CA and ride over
to the Paul warehouse doesn't help at all either. I do know a couple folks
who work there, but so far the brotherly love has yet to come in the form
of any deep discount. ;) So, just don't think I can justify splurging on
Paul cantis, when I have a couple of pairs of Shimano's on my bench. I
can't imagine that the stopping power would be that much greater, and
either way with canti's, i'd have to take them to the shop to be set up. I
don't have 2 hours to fiddle on the set-up only to realize that I am a crap
mechanic. ;)

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:15:18 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

Yowza and ppl are worried about fender clearance! I dont have some love
of any kind of brake setup, they all seemed adequate in terms of stopping
for me but it seems if you have the scratch for Paul's than the neo retros
look like the dogs bollocks of all canti brakes.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:11 PM, The Cripler citrowbri...@gmail.comwrote:

Thomas,

Here is a close-up of the clearance. Kinda scary really:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PSorbVVk4aw/UAXi_KmWyMI/AB4/i1KFvXJKBws/s1600/IMG_0986%5B1%5D.JPG

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:46:06 AM UTC-7, The Cripler wrote:

Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase
the bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything
could not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good
friend and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a
dream. And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to
fund the purchase, the wife is happy as well.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WkSN85QEc_M/UAV6Gsy2yWI/ABg/ncgYwb6zCJg/s1600/IMG_0983%5B1%5D.JPG
Here is a picture of the bike as it is now . I added some brown Big
Apples and Paul mini-motos on the front, and swapped out a shorter
stem, aside from that the bike is as it came. I still haven't decided what
I am going to do in regards to the brake levers (as you can tell by my
wacked out cabling and lack of handlebar tape). I had STI's on LHT, and
while I don't miss the intergated shifting, I do miss the nice hand
position on top of the lever. I also think I may like the clean look of
aero brakes better. Does anyone have a suggestion for some nice gum hooded
aero brake leves that offer a nice top hand position?

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[RBW] Re: WTT my 10cm Technomic stem for your 11 or 12

Jay,
 
I have a 120 I'd be willing to trade. Same condition as yours, mounted 
never ridden. Let me get back to when Im at home.
 
On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:17:51 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:

 Got mine new and put a couple hundred miles on mine before switching 
 to an 8 for my Noodle bars. So pretty much new plus a few insertion 
 type scratch. 

 Looking for an 11 or 12 to try Albas. 

 I'll be in Meredith NH for a month starting next week, if you're local 
 to that area we could save a few bucks in postage. If not, I'm happy 
 to send mine 1st. 

 Jay 



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Re: [RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

Ah, you must not be married with children. Sometimes toying with perfect
toe-in for 2 hours *is* a recreational activity, haha.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:23 PM, The Cripler citrowbri...@gmail.com wrote:

Peter,

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:15:18 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

Yowza and ppl are worried about fender clearance! I dont have some love
of any kind of brake setup, they all seemed adequate in terms of stopping
for me but it seems if you have the scratch for Paul's than the neo retros
look like the dogs bollocks of all canti brakes.

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Thomas,

Here is a close-up of the clearance. Kinda scary really:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PSorbVVk4aw/UAXi_KmWyMI/AB4/i1KFvXJKBws/s1600/IMG_0986%5B1%5D.JPG

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:46:06 AM UTC-7, The Cripler wrote:

A few weeks back I was lucky enough to score an Atlantis at a
ridiculous price. Despite the price, purchasing the bike was a tough
desicion for me when I, A) already had a wonderfuly fitting and riding
Surly LHT; B) Wasn't sure that a 58cm atlantis would provide an adequate
fit; and C) have a new 4 month old at home ( I may have left that part our
originally!!)

Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase
the bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything
could not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good
friend and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a
dream. And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to
fund the purchase, the wife is happy as well.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-WkSN85QEc_M/UAV6Gsy2yWI/ABg/ncgYwb6zCJg/s1600/IMG_0983%5B1%5D.JPG
Here is a picture of the bike as it is now . I added some brown Big
Apples and Paul mini-motos on the front, and swapped out a shorter
stem, aside from that the bike is as it came. I still haven't decided what
I am going to do in regards to the brake levers (as you can tell by my
wacked out cabling and lack of handlebar tape). I had STI's on LHT, and
while I don't miss the intergated shifting, I do miss the nice hand
position on top of the lever. I also think I may like the clean look of
aero brakes better. Does anyone have a suggestion for some nice gum hooded
aero brake leves that offer a nice top hand position?

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[RBW] Re: Maximum Heart Rate

2012-07-17 Thread ted

I believe the physiology research shows folks do have max heart rates,
but trying to predict an individual's max from the published formulas
is not appropriate. The published formulas are based on statistical
fitting of large numbers of people, and the spread in the data is
quite large. Though the formulas are correct on average, the standard
deviation is bigger than the trends in the average.

On Jul 16, 9:15 pm, Corwin ernf...@gmail.com wrote:
 I got a copy of Just Ride and read it. I agree with 99% of what Grant
 says.

 One thing I take issue with is maximum heart rate. Not explicitly what's in
 Just Ride. But more the concept of maximum heart rate as it's currently
 portrayed in health and medical literature and on the web. I think the
 purpose of discussing maximum heart rate in Just Ride is to get people to
 listen to their bodies. This is highly desirable. But the general concept
 of maximum heart rate is seriously flawed.

 In general, I don't think there is any magic number (or formula) for
 maximum heart rate. The only thing I think you can say is that if Joe is in
 good health and reasonably fit and Jack has a history of heart and/or
 circulatory trouble and is not very fit - then Jack should not push himself
 as hard as Joe. That's not to say that Jack should not get his heart
 pumping on a regular basis - just that he should probably limit himself to
 walking (potentially including hills).

 I did a thorough search of the web looking for research on maximum heart
 rate. Also consulted several experts. The only research I could find was
 anecdotal statistical data reporting heart rates for various groups based
 on age. But drawing a line through statistical data is just a curve fit.
 This is without any scientific basis to back it up.

 In order to establish a scientific basis for maximum heart rate, I think
 you would need to apply a stress test (bicycle, treadmill, etc.) to a
 rather large population. The population would need to be pushed near the
 point of failure - till an undesirable EKG pattern could be detected. At
 that point, you would have a good idea of the maximum heart rate for a
 given individual.

 It's very likely that the point of failure/danger would be radically
 different based on the health and fitness of the individual. For some
 people - that point could be as low as 140 beats/minute or lower. For
 others it could be 190 beats/minute or more. Also, based on the book Born
 To Run, I don't think there is any basis for saying a limit on heart rate
 must trend down inversely to age.

 Personally, I regularly get my heart rate well beyond the 160 beats/minute
 or so recommend for a 53 year old male. Since I've been doing this all my
 adult life (and my workouts seem to be growing in intensity), I'm not
 worried. I'm comfortable deciding when to back off. In my opinion, you
 should know your own limits - but should not let your limits be defined by
 a gross yardstick. And you should carefully establish your own maximum
 heart rate, and use it as a tool for your own training - but realize that
 it's a personal measurement/limit.

 Corwin

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[RBW] Re: King Grip Pedals

2012-07-17 Thread Ryan Ray

Griptape on pedals is such a good idea. I was thinking about the Ergons on
my current tank/bike off road touring bike.

How does it work when your shoes get muddy?

To bring it back OT: Grip Kings are too slippery for Seattle. You need the
spikes.

- Ryan

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:22:35 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:

I've had good success with skateboard grip tape on pedals that seemed too
small:
http://www.biketinker.com/2011/projects/griptape-on-platform-pedals/

And ones that are gigantic:

http://problemsolversbike.com/blog/comments/how_to_make_skateboard_pedal_decks_for_clipless_pedals/

One day I will have some Grip Kings with the Supreme mod, spikes, and grip
tape.

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:57:14 AM UTC-7, Rex Kerr wrote:

I had some 5% back store credit burning a hole in my rivbike.comaccount, so
I recently made a purchase. (Thanks guys!) Part of my order
was a pair of King Grip pedals. Did my first ride with them today and
thought I'd share my thoughts for those who are considering them.

The ride was my normal 10 mile commute, unseasonably cool with a slight
breeze. Rode in my size 14 Chaco sandals, with socks (fashion at its
best!) due to the cooler temperatures.

On the MKS pedals I have been using powergrip straps. I didn't miss the
attachment at all with the King Grip pedals as the platform held the shoe
in place well.

Anyhow, hope that this quick review is helpful to anybody considering
these pedals...

-Rex

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[RBW] Re: Maximum Heart Rate

2012-07-17 Thread dougP

Since my cardiologist requires an annual trot on the treadmill as part of 
my care, I've quizzed him about this question especially in relation to 
cycling.  A stress echo cardiogram is a closely controlled test to allow 
comparison of a patient's data from test to test, and over the years the 
maximum heartrate I'm meant to reach has declined, now 154 bpm.  Years ago 
I asked about using a heart rate monitor and the treadmill rate as my max, 
thinking this would be a good idea.  He explained that working at the test 
max for an extended period (more than a few minutes) was a severe test and 
not to even think about it.  When prressed for OK, so what should I use 
for a max? his response was listen to your body  pay attention.  It's 
different for each individual  especially anyone with cardiac problems.  I 
won't give you a number; just make sure your comfortable.  Your body will 
give you better feedback than a monitor.  I didn't quite buy into that  
went the monitor route anyway.  I've found numbers where I know I'm working 
but can do so for extended periods, and numbers that are definitely 
an over-exertion, so I just make sure I'm working hard enough to do some 
good but keep out of the stress zone.  Your body does tell you stuff but 
the monitor sometimes lets you know sooner.  You kinda have to experiment 
on your own to establish your own zones.  Be brutally honest with yourself 
on how you really feel and don't try to cmpare your numbers to anyone 
elses.  
 
dougP
 

On Monday, July 16, 2012 9:15:16 PM UTC-7, Corwin wrote:

 I got a copy of Just Ride and read it. I agree with 99% of what Grant 
 says.

 One thing I take issue with is maximum heart rate. Not explicitly what's 
 in Just Ride. But more the concept of maximum heart rate as it's currently 
 portrayed in health and medical literature and on the web. I think the 
 purpose of discussing maximum heart rate in Just Ride is to get people to 
 listen to their bodies. This is highly desirable. But the general concept 
 of maximum heart rate is seriously flawed.

 In general, I don't think there is any magic number (or formula) for 
 maximum heart rate. The only thing I think you can say is that if Joe is in 
 good health and reasonably fit and Jack has a history of heart and/or 
 circulatory trouble and is not very fit - then Jack should not push himself 
 as hard as Joe. That's not to say that Jack should not get his heart 
 pumping on a regular basis - just that he should probably limit himself to 
 walking (potentially including hills).

 I did a thorough search of the web looking for research on maximum heart 
 rate. Also consulted several experts. The only research I could find was 
 anecdotal statistical data reporting heart rates for various groups based 
 on age. But drawing a line through statistical data is just a curve fit. 
 This is without any scientific basis to back it up.

 In order to establish a scientific basis for maximum heart rate, I think 
 you would need to apply a stress test (bicycle, treadmill, etc.) to a 
 rather large population. The population would need to be pushed near the 
 point of failure - till an undesirable EKG pattern could be detected. At 
 that point, you would have a good idea of the maximum heart rate for a 
 given individual.

 It's very likely that the point of failure/danger would be radically 
 different based on the health and fitness of the individual. For some 
 people - that point could be as low as 140 beats/minute or lower. For 
 others it could be 190 beats/minute or more. Also, based on the book Born 
 To Run, I don't think there is any basis for saying a limit on heart rate 
 must trend down inversely to age.

 Personally, I regularly get my heart rate well beyond the 160 beats/minute 
 or so recommend for a 53 year old male. Since I've been doing this all my 
 adult life (and my workouts seem to be growing in intensity), I'm not 
 worried. I'm comfortable deciding when to back off. In my opinion, you 
 should know your own limits - but should not let your limits be defined by 
 a gross yardstick. And you should carefully establish your own maximum 
 heart rate, and use it as a tool for your own training - but realize that 
 it's a personal measurement/limit.

 Corwin


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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread dougP

Wowser! That clearance is close! I just ran out to see what it is on my
Atlantis with 80 mm BMX brake 40 mm tire. It ain't much more. I've got
a full size Shimano V on order as my LBS didn't have silver. Never thought
about something getting jammed in there; glad my anal nature insisted on
matching brakes now. I was more worried about getting the noogle / cable
thingie to clear the racks.

If you have a pair of Shiimano Vs on the bench, you just need a pair of the
Tektro RL520 long pull levers:

http://www.tektro-usa.com/category.php?productid=1145catid=185subcat=0

$30 plus shipping, direct from Tektro. Mine came in less than a week.
They are a bit narrower than the model 200s I had before but a lot wider
than Shimano's standard aero lever. Black hoods only, I'm afraid.

I kinda lusted after those Paul's for a while but the price is for someone
in a higher tax bracket. Now that the clearance issue has come up, it
seems they are meant for CX or similar uses where maybe 35 mm tires are the
max.

BTW, that couple of hours of fiddling installing the brakes is good for the
soul, and makes you appreciate why bike shops charge what they do. I
played musical brakes for a couple of weeks on a couple of bikes, but my
billable rate is zero.

dougP

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Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase
the bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything
could not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good
friend and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a
dream. And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to
fund the purchase, the wife is happy as well.

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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread Minh

Wow, that's tight clearance!  Persoanlly i would not run it so close.  

Like Tom A. i have a pair of the TRP levers (mine are not on the bike yet), 
i would say this, yes they are nice, yes they are expensive.  from your 
post it sounds like the only reason you want to switch to aero levers is 
the look, honestly, the bike looks awesome, and anyone that would 'care' 
about the non-aero levers, would also not appreciate the atlantis anyway.  

if you're more of a function over form, and a realist (in terms of money) 
type person, why swap out the levers at all? 


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Re: [RBW] Gals on a tour!

2012-07-17 Thread Eric Platt

Yesterday, saw 5 loaded touring bikes downtown Minneapolis.  Per the
leader, the others were teenagers crossing the country.  It's getting to be
that time when there are a lot of folks coming through the Twin Cities on
tour.  (They were mostly steel bikes, and most everyone was loaded only on
the rear.)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/7593965014/in/photostream

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 This morning on my way I to work, I came across 3 women with bikes fully
 loaded crossing the Mississippi River on the Marshall Avenue Bridge.
 They're on a cross-country tour from Seattle to NYC, their home port.
 Didn't get their names, but one was on a blue LHT.  Made my heart sing.  If
 you come across 'em, tell them the woman on the Mississippi bridge in the
 Twin Cities says You still rock!

 Liesl
 Wish-I-were-younger-and-could-go-on-a-huge-time-consuming-adventure-again
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[RBW] GP is no doctor but...

2012-07-17 Thread murphyjrfk

NPR had an exposé on sports drinks and the like etc... It's interesting. (I 
would link it but I have no idea how to work this phone and my tech support is 
busy pinning). Anyways, the paragraph or so is pretty interesting- marketing 
makes dehydration more complicated etc. and quoting a sports doc- athletes 
should just listen to their bodies and drink when they are thirsty...
Huh.

But I can say I'm 30 and reasonable fit and not overweight and I hope when I'm 
grants age I'm still active as an 8 year old... Experience ain't a bad teacher 
after all I suppose.

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Re: [RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread Eric Platt

It's close, but if you're not running fenders, why not?  If you would like
to change, maybe look at regular Shimano Deore V brakes.  Have them on my
LHT which has 26 wheels and a fender.  It clears the fender about as much
as your Pauls do without the fender.

Cheap Tektros might also work.

Glad to see V brakes on another Rivendell, have Vs on the Sam Hillborne and
eventually on the SimpleOne.  (The parts are at my dealer, just have to get
over there and pick them up.)

Oh, and your complete Atlantis looks pretty nice, too.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow, that's tight clearance!  Persoanlly i would not run it so close.

 Like Tom A. i have a pair of the TRP levers (mine are not on the bike
 yet), i would say this, yes they are nice, yes they are expensive.  from
 your post it sounds like the only reason you want to switch to aero levers
 is the look, honestly, the bike looks awesome, and anyone that would 'care'
 about the non-aero levers, would also not appreciate the atlantis anyway.

 if you're more of a function over form, and a realist (in terms of money)
 type person, why swap out the levers at all?


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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

With the levers, it is actually a functional issue for me. My LHT, which I 
migrated from, had STI Levers. I really found myself using the nub on the 
top of the lever as a comfortable respite from the drops. I also found the 
shape to be something I prefer to the non aero levers on the Altantis. 
 
Tracy- I really loved my LHT. But I did find it a bit of a tank. The 
Atlantis just plain rides differently. For lack of  better descriptors it 
is just smoother and more responsive, even with the big apples...I am sold 
on iot for sure.
 
On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:28:31 PM UTC-7, Minh wrote:

 Wow, that's tight clearance!  Persoanlly i would not run it so close.  

 Like Tom A. i have a pair of the TRP levers (mine are not on the bike 
 yet), i would say this, yes they are nice, yes they are expensive.  from 
 your post it sounds like the only reason you want to switch to aero levers 
 is the look, honestly, the bike looks awesome, and anyone that would 'care' 
 about the non-aero levers, would also not appreciate the atlantis anyway.  

 if you're more of a function over form, and a realist (in terms of money) 
 type person, why swap out the levers at all? 



On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:28:31 PM UTC-7, Minh wrote: 

 Wow, that's tight clearance!  Persoanlly i would not run it so close.  

 Like Tom A. i have a pair of the TRP levers (mine are not on the bike 
 yet), i would say this, yes they are nice, yes they are expensive.  from 
 your post it sounds like the only reason you want to switch to aero levers 
 is the look, honestly, the bike looks awesome, and anyone that would 'care' 
 about the non-aero levers, would also not appreciate the atlantis anyway.  

 if you're more of a function over form, and a realist (in terms of money) 
 type person, why swap out the levers at all? 




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[RBW] FS/FT Brooks B17 Standard and Riv Banana Bag

2012-07-17 Thread Dan Abelson

I have two items for sale (may have more in a few days when I get
around to sorting and photos).  I am also looking to trade for Shimano
9 speed bar end shifters.

1.  Brooks B17 Standard Antique Brown.  Generally good condition.
Leather is scuffed in one corner from when the bike tipped over
(without me on it) - $60 shipped.

2.  Rivendell Banana Bag - well used but no holes and lots of life
left -$40 shipped.

Photos at http://www.flickr.com/photos/abelvitz/sets/72157627919352912/

Paypal personal option preferred.

Thanks

Dan Abelson
St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] On tour in Alaska

2012-07-17 Thread Kelly

Well 14 people.  Three rivs.  First day out of anchorage was rainey,  last 
couple have been fantastic.

Kelly

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[RBW] Pineapple Karen Alert?

2012-07-17 Thread gep71154

I got wind that somebody I know is going to be on Cupcake Wars tonite at 
8pm California time. My rumor-person wouldn't say who it was, and I asked, 
Should I alert anybody else? and she said, Maybe Robert (Pineapple 
Bob). But I got no way to alert him. Anyway...maybe it's not her, but it 
starts in ten minutes, so...if you know who she is, you'll watch it. Of 
that, I have no doubt. This is Bstone catalogue-related, 1992-1994 
editions. 

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[RBW] Re: The new Atlantis coming together

2012-07-17 Thread charlie

I have a LHT also and want to switch to the Atlantis frame...you might
switch to mounting the Silver shifter to the down tube.just take off
the pods and the cable stops. It shortens and streamlines the shifter set
up and makes the shifting the snappiest IMO. You'll find you won't be prone
to shifting as much and the slight stretch to the lever (unless you have
long arms) is good for you. Here is how I have mine set up.I used the
older Shimano plain brake levers they feel pretty nice to me but the ones
currently from Riv (Tektro's) are probably nice too. I'd just buy new hoods
and wrap the bar with some cotton. Do you think the Atlantis rides much
differently than your Trucker did?
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On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:46:06 AM UTC-7, The Cripler wrote:

Many of you here were intergral in helping me make the leap to purchase
the bike and I wanted to say a big hearty thank you! So far everything
could not have worked out better. I was able to pass on the LHT to a good
friend and now new riding partner. The bike rides, fits, and looks like a
dream. And being that I was able to sell the LHT and some other parts to
fund the purchase, the wife is happy as well.

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[RBW] Re: WTT my 10cm Technomic stem for your 11 or 12