date:20120930



 Are you using an adapter for the lever/pod interface?
 Is it an actual Shimano Pod?
  


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[RBW] Rivendell Coffee Ride

2012-09-30 Thread jimD

Did my standard irregular coffee ride.

I woman noticed the bike and wondered where I'd come from.
I replied that I'd come from 11 miles away.  She thought I was from England.

These pictures may show the perceptual differences.
I think Modern, others thing Old School.

Modern:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8039625142/in/photostream/

Old School:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8039571067/in/photostream/


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[RBW] Re: Shimano 9spd DA Downtube Shifters in Bar End Pods?



  

 
Here are your tech docs for your SL-7700. Maybe these can help:
http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/SI/Dura-Ace/ShiftLever/6J50B-SL-7800_7700-EN_v1_m56577569830605247.pdf
http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/EV/bikecomponents/SL/EV-SL-7700-1663_v1_m56577569830611817.pdf
 

 I have a Shimano SL-7800 DT shifter lever on my Shimano bar end pod.

Don't know if I can help any.
It clicks into every gear on my 10-speed cassette. Indexing works great.
Friction wit it seems to be trickier.

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[RBW] Re: Shimano 9spd DA Downtube Shifters in Bar End Pods?



 Ideas:

 
 

 1. Maybe your limit screw needs to be let out a bit to let the lever 
 travel far enough so it will click?
  

2. Sometimes the DT lever cable hole doesn't line up correctly with the 
hole in the pod. You may need a spacer, or the DT-to-pod adapter to get 
things interfaced better?
 
3. Did you line up the arrow on the shifter housing correctly with the 
lever when you mounted it to the pod?  See the tech doc above for how to do 
it.

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[RBW] Re: Combining small Nitto rack with Tektro hanger?

2012-09-30 Thread tim becker

  I just did this a few weeks ago and I can confirm it works, at least on 
my Atlantis.  The Tektro hanger comes with two recessed allen nuts that 
work with the Nitto.  A Sheldon's fender nut works here too, but the rack 
stud is too long to allow the second bolt that attaches the fender to 
engage.  The angle of the rack changes slightly due to the thickness of the 
hanger, and the one or two thick toothy washers needed to clear the lower 
headset cup - so attaching the lower struts to the braze-ons takes a little 
more encouraging than usual.
  hope that helps.

-tim

On Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:24:01 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:

 Is it possible to combine a lower brake hanger, like the Tektro item RBW 
 sells, with a Nitto mini front rack? I would like to get better cable 
 routing for my front brake, and the fork crown mounted hanger looks like a 
 good item. But can the Nitto mini-rack bolt then pass through with enough 
 threads to fasten it on the back side of the fork? Maybe someone has tried 
 this...

 - Andrew, Berkeley


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Re: [RBW] Off road SE of San Ysidro, NM, a tyro's experience.

2012-09-30 Thread Jim Mather

Any ride you survive is a good one, eh. When you slap on the Weirwolfs,
don't forget to add 700mm mountain bars, and you'll shred the gnar for sure.

I've had some great rides in NM, made even greater by the thought of green
chile anything at the end.

Cheers
jim m
wc ca

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:45 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Only a few times have I ridden true singletrack, and the last time I did
 so (Aspen) was 12 years ago, and, with most of my road riding being on a
 fixed gear, my bike handling skills are rather pathetic. So grunting the
 lumbering Fargo over true 7/10 singletrack (10 being experts only) was
 quite an experience for an old tyro.

 There is a state recreational area some 5 miles south of HWY 550 just a
 few miles south of the little corner village of San Ysidro with typical
 high desert terrain and fauna: more ground cover than Albuquerque (my
 iPhone showed 5600-6400 feet for the ride) and terrain more rugged and
 rolling; small, bent pinions with cactus; pinions more common as you rise
 north and west of ABQ. We drove out to the trailhead for a brief late
 afternoon ride, me on my Fargo complete with front and rear Tubus racks,
 dynohub lighting and Big Apples on SnoCats, and brother on his new KHS
 29er.

 The trail follows a ridge with steep dropoffs on each side for a loop of
 nine miles; we bailed at about the 4 mile mark thanks to my incapacity and
 made the return on a rutted, sandy jeep track at the bottom of the spine.
 Given my inexperience, the lack of tire knobs, and the newly revealed fact
 that the Fargo is not by any means the ideal bike for technical
 singletrack, I walked about a quarter of the ridge, mostly rutted, steep,
 rock-obstructed downhlls and one frightening 1/4 mile section of slanting,
 narrow, loose-surfaced trail on the side of a 45* slope.

 The Fargo, especially with 42 cm Noodles, does not respond quickly to fast
 steering inputs; doubtless the soft, wide tires also affect this behavior.
 Riding on the flats with the interrupters was even more frightening than
 riding the hoods -- bars are about level with saddle and lower than ideal
 for technical riding. Still, I was pleased by the way that the fat tires
 absorbed small stones and floated over sand, tho' I can easily see how
 suspension would be desirable for the big pits, ruts, and rocks. I did
 notice that the Fargo floated over deep sand that sent my brother, with
 50-55s at 40 or so, fishtailing as he powered through to keep his momentum
 up.

 God willing we'll go back next weekend, and I'll install 60mm Weirwolfs in
 place of the BAs and take off some of the weight: probably the front rack
 and some of the lbs from the 4 lb kit bag.

 I meant to take more photos but we were rather rushed and I was too intent
 in clearing obstacles, making uphills, and surviving steep dropoffs.

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[RBW] Re: Flat fixer: does anyone know anything about this?

2012-09-30 Thread Montclair BobbyB

Not familiar with Schwalbe's sealant, but I have been using Stan's latex
sealant for years in my tubeless mountain bike tires... The stuff works
great, but it's not always a matter of filling it and walking away.. it can
take some tweaking to get it right. A quart of Stan's sealant runs around
$25, but compared to 100ml for $15, Stan's is the far more economical
choice.

IF you want to use sealant inside your tubes, you will need to remove the
valve, add sealant, reinstall the valve, then put the tube and tire back on
the rim. Reinflate, then rotate the tire and shake it in different
directions to properly coat the inside of the tube. If you do get a
puncture while riding, the air flow SHOULD force any additional liquid
sealant sitting in the tube to the puncture, where the air rushing through
it causes the sealant to form a latex plug from the inside. thereby sealing
the hole. In some cases (depending on the size of the puncture and/or the
amount of air in the tube, it may still actually flat, even with the
sealant. If this happens, I typically reinflate to the max allowable PSI
and do some more wheel shaking to ensure the sealant gets to the hole (the
added air pressure helps to force it there).

But if the hole isn't too large, it WILL seal it... Good luck.

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http://www.everybicycletire.com/Shopping/p-451-schwalbe-doc-blue-liquid-patch-100-ml.aspx

I wonder if it would have a Slime effect without the annoying qualities of
Slime (leaking thru the holes and filling your tire casing with dirty green
slippery stuff).

I hefted a Slimed 26X1.5 tube today that must have weighed 800 grams, so
full was it of Slime. I guess eventually the stuff solidifies so that you
have in effect a solid tire. (The tube was inside a heavy, belted
Specialized belted Flak Jacket 26X35 with special, supple 6 mm sidewalls
lined with a thick tire liner -- a setup designed for comfortable, spritely
riding.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Shimano 9spd DA Downtube Shifters in Bar End Pods?

2012-09-30 Thread ascpgh

While I agree on the bare facts with Steve, I have to add that on our 
tandem w/ Shimano bar end shifters which replaced the 
broke-at-most-inopportune-time OEM brifters and I have found some delayed 
signal effect of my shifter inputs when waiting for the drivetrain to 
respond.

This bike has vast runs of housing instead of strategic placement of 
housing stops and bare cable down the long runs of frame tubes between the 
bars and the derailleurs. There is simply too much compression within even 
the most outstanding cable sets not to feel slow and unadjusted. I just 
live with it or switch to friction once out of the noisier areas where I 
cannot hear the clatter from the drivetrain over everything else.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:16:08 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On Sun, 2012-09-30 at 05:15 -0700, Michael Hechmer wrote: 
  I use the DA BE's on our tandem and they work pretty well.  I don't 
  remember the end cog shifting any different.  My only complaint is 
  that they seem to need an overshift.  I often shift with the click 
  then need to go another mm to move the chain. 

 I think you need to add some tension to the shifter cable. 





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[RBW] Shimano 9spd DA Downtube Shifters in Bar End Pods?

2012-09-30 Thread Chris

I have the same setup on my wife's Betty.  Are you using the Shimano or Silver 
pods?  There is a difference between them I find.  Use the Shimano pods if you 
can locate a pair.  There are these orientation markings on the Shimano spacers 
that they can only be inserte into the pods in a certain way. 

The shifting does get a bit tricky when you reach either of the ends.  The 
shifter seems to run out of room and doesn't quite click as smoothly.  However, 
with some fine tuning of the tension, it will shift to all gears with no 
problem (at least on the Betty). 

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[RBW] Re: Off road SE of San Ysidro, NM, a tyro's experience.

2012-09-30 Thread Michael_S

sounds like a good time to me. Snap a photo on your ride with the Weirwolfs 
next week.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.


  

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[RBW] Fastgrips: again.

At a suggestion from my brother I added ~15 lb to the Fastgrips and they
are far, far better. The Kojaks, a bit wider, seem to roll very well at sub
60 -- I guess some tires are just more sensitive to pressure. The FGs
certainly feel more harsh than the Ks at the higher pressure -- in fact,
they feel harsher than the Turbos or Michelin Pro Race 3s, both 22 mm, at
90-95. But they've gone from Damn, these things really feel slower than
the Kojaks to Do these things still feel slower than the Kojaks? They
are Fastgrip City Ks 1.25, and I suppose the K means Kevlar -- which
around here is worth s*d all for goatheads -- got a flat on the way back
from church just now.

I'd really like to try the Fastgrip City non-Ks -- does Avocet still make
them?

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Coffee Ride

It's the saddlebag and the lugs. Very nice in color -- sorry, colour -- btw.

Patrick starting to crave a Nelson Longflap again Moore

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:47 AM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote:

 Did my standard irregular coffee ride.

 I woman noticed the bike and wondered where I'd come from.
 I replied that I'd come from 11 miles away.  She thought I was from
 England.

 These pictures may show the perceptual differences.
 I think Modern, others thing Old School.

 Modern:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8039625142/in/photostream/

 Old School:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8039571067/in/photostream/


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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Coffee Ride

Shoulda' gone with sepia; old-timey and artsy all in one!

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 Did my standard irregular coffee ride.

 I woman noticed the bike and wondered where I'd come from.
 I replied that I'd come from 11 miles away.  She thought I was from
 England.

 These pictures may show the perceptual differences.
 I think Modern, others thing Old School.

 Modern:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8039625142/in/photostream/

 Old School:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8039571067/in/photostream/


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[RBW] Re: Shimano 9spd DA Downtube Shifters in Bar End Pods?



 My SIS indexing works great across the whole cassette. So I think yours 
 could too. I feel no resistance when moving the levers. Every gear change 
 clicks nicely, even to the extremes of the cassette.
  

And, my housing goes from the barends all the way up the bars and comes 
outta da bartape at the stem. So I know you can do it with lotsa housing, 
at least on a Bleriot with drop bars.

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[RBW] Re: Wondering about Avocet Fastgrips 559X1.25

2012-09-30 Thread Jay in Tel Aviv

Yeah. Thinking about it again I got the math all wrong. 25 quid X 1.6
is about 40 US, not 50, for the kevlar bead. Add shipping and subtract
VAT.

On Sep 29, 10:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Jay. IIRC the wires go for about the same in the US, tho' I gather
there may be availability issues. $50 US for the folding tho; is $5 to $10
less than most here.

Let's see what the distributor does or does not do ... and I've still got a
pair on the Fargo.

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com wrote:

Patrick,

I often find that the UK websites have good prices on tires. I checked
SJS for you and they have Kojaks for 25 quid, about 35 US. Folding
bead were about 50 US. I don't remember how much they get for
shipping, but they vat dedction would offset part of it and it may be
free if you order enough.
Happy shopping and happy rolling.

Jay

On Sep 29, 5:13 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael: thanks for this. I know the Cross II or at least the model that
preceded it some 10 years ago and found it a good all rounder tire, but
for
this bike I want a large (ish -- my definition of large is not
everybody's), supple, light road tire and the Kojak is ideal (just
measured
and the Compass 26X1.75 is too tall for my Riv).

Alas, I've long since given or traded away the back issues of BQ that
discussed tire rolling resistance -- does anyone know how the Fastgrip
performed?

The Kojak is really a wonderful tire; if it were not a $ issue I'd just
go
out an buy another pair. Meanwhile, I'm waiting to hear back from the NA
distributor for Schwalbe.

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com
wrote:
Patrick, if memory serves me right, The 700C fastgrip was part of Jan
Hein's first roll out experiment. You might look into that. I ran the
Avocet 700c x 38 Cross II for commuting and still use them off road.
They
are the biggest, heaviest tire I use on a single and I like them
because
they roll pretty well, offer excellent wet and dirt road traction and
have
never punctured. For a 26 tire we tour with the Marathon Racer on the
tandem. Mostly dirt roads. I have found them to be a good ride on a
bike
that approaches 400 lbs, or well over while touring.

Michael

On Friday, September 28, 2012 4:39:13 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

The very nice rolling Kojaks that I bought from a listmember have
faulty
(wire) beads that keep popping out and puncturing the tubes -- odd,
after
cutting off some 6 from the rear in two sections, I feel no place on
the
sidewall that does not have a bead: perhaps this was gross overlap?

Anyway, while waiting to contact Schwalbe for recourse, I've
installed an
old pair of Avocet Fastgrips, 559X1.25. They feel more sluggish than
the
Kojaks which, for their part, seem as good rolling as the very supple
and
light 1 Turbos. Odd, too, that they feel harder to my thumb at ~60
psi
than did the Kojaks, tho' they roll smoothly enough at 60. I've
bumped up
pressure to ~75/70 f/r and will try that, but just may go back to the
Turbos for the nonce.

Does anyone with experience of the Fastgrips, or well-informed
scuttlebutt, have comments on the rolling-nature of this tire? Apart
from
my perception (and I'm always willing to be proved wrong) they look
pretty
good for my purpose: a lightish, fastish, narrowish but durable tire
for
the Riv Commuter than can carry a 30 lb rear load without worrying
about
pinch flats.

Also: has anyone had my experience with Kojak or, more generally,
Schwalbe beads?

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wondering about Avocet Fastgrips 559X1.25

Thanks again -- that's a damn' good price for Kevlar bead. Will keep that
in mind, tho' I hope Schwalbe will give me a pair for free in warranty.

And SJS have the Nelson Longflap for 50 quid -- $80

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 Yeah. Thinking about it again I got the math all wrong. 25 quid X 1.6
 is about 40 US, not 50, for the kevlar bead. Add shipping and subtract
 VAT.


 On Sep 29, 10:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thanks, Jay. IIRC the wires go for about the same in the US, tho' I
 gather
  there may be availability issues. $50 US for the folding tho; is $5 to
 $10
  less than most here.
 
  Let's see what the distributor does or does not do ... and I've still
 got a
  pair on the Fargo.
 
  On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
   Patrick,
 
   I often find that the UK websites have good prices on tires. I checked
   SJS for you and they have Kojaks for 25 quid, about 35 US. Folding
   bead were about 50 US. I don't remember how much they get for
   shipping, but they vat dedction would offset part of it and it may be
   free if you order enough.
   Happy shopping and happy rolling.
 
   Jay
 
   On Sep 29, 5:13 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael: thanks for this. I know the Cross II or at least the model
 that
preceded it some 10 years ago and found it a good all rounder tire,
 but
   for
this bike I want a large (ish -- my definition of large is not
everybody's), supple, light road tire and the Kojak is ideal (just
   measured
and the Compass 26X1.75 is too tall for my Riv).
 
Alas, I've long since given or traded away the back issues of BQ that
discussed tire rolling resistance -- does anyone know how the
 Fastgrip
performed?
 
The Kojak is really a wonderful tire; if it were not a $ issue I'd
 just
   go
out an buy another pair. Meanwhile, I'm waiting to hear back from
 the NA
distributor for Schwalbe.
 
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com
 
   wrote:
 Patrick, if memory serves me right, The 700C fastgrip was part of
 Jan
 Hein's first roll out experiment.  You might look into that.  I
 ran the
 Avocet 700c x 38 Cross II for commuting and still use them off
 road.
   They
 are the biggest, heaviest tire I use on a single and I like them
   because
  they roll pretty well, offer excellent wet and dirt road traction
 and
   have
 never punctured.  For a 26 tire we tour with the Marathon Racer
 on the
 tandem.  Mostly dirt roads.  I have found them to be a good ride
 on a
   bike
 that approaches 400 lbs, or well over while touring.
 
 Michael
 
 On Friday, September 28, 2012 4:39:13 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore
 wrote:
 
 The very nice rolling Kojaks that I bought from a listmember have
   faulty
 (wire) beads that keep popping out and puncturing the tubes --
 odd,
   after
 cutting off some 6 from the rear in two sections, I feel no
 place on
   the
 sidewall that does not have a bead: perhaps this was gross
 overlap?
 
 Anyway, while waiting to contact Schwalbe for recourse, I've
   installed an
 old pair of Avocet Fastgrips, 559X1.25. They feel more sluggish
 than
   the
 Kojaks which, for their part, seem as good rolling as the very
 supple
   and
 light 1 Turbos. Odd, too, that they feel harder to my thumb at
 ~60
   psi
 than did the Kojaks, tho' they roll smoothly enough at 60. I've
   bumped up
 pressure to ~75/70 f/r and will try that, but just may go back to
 the
 Turbos for the nonce.
 
 Does anyone with experience of the Fastgrips, or well-informed
 scuttlebutt, have comments on the rolling-nature of this tire?
 Apart
   from
 my perception (and I'm always willing to be proved wrong) they
 look
   pretty
 good for my purpose: a  lightish, fastish, narrowish but durable
 tire
   for
 the Riv Commuter than can carry a 30 lb rear load without worrying
   about
 pinch flats.
 
 Also: has anyone had my experience with Kojak or, more generally,
 Schwalbe beads?
 
 Thanks.
 
 --
 Believe nothing until it has been officially denied.
-- Claude
 Cockburn
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Flat fixer: does anyone know anything about this?

Bobby: are they the same thing? 25 ml is 1oz and I don't think that 1 oz
of Stan's will work.

I've tried various Slime/Stan's-type sealants and have given up because in
every case, even tho' the stuff works for many thorn holes, eventually it
will leak and make a puddle in the tire casing -- a bloody mess. I was
hoping that this stuff was of a different sort.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Montclair BobbyB
montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote:

But if the hole isn't too large, it WILL seal it... Good luck.

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http://www.everybicycletire.**com/Shopping/p-451-schwalbe-**
doc-blue-liquid-patch-100-ml.**aspxhttp://www.everybicycletire.com/Shopping/p-451-schwalbe-doc-blue-liquid-patch-100-ml.aspx

I wonder if it would have a Slime effect without the annoying qualities
of Slime (leaking thru the holes and filling your tire casing with dirty
green slippery stuff).

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell mystery bike

Oh! Tires are SOLID! Yes!!!

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:15 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just in! Note double top tube (dropped; no down tube on this bike) with
 comfortably placed bar and new Brooks Shanghai sprung model in avant
 guard vinyl with springs cleverly moved to seatpost by Nito (bought by
 mainland Counterfeit Industries. Wald basket, no-grip pedals, steel of
 course. Roughy-Fy Tires!

 Really!!!??? Nope, juut kiddding. POS (tm) comfort bike belonging to
 friend who just upgraded to Novara Fusion; I am to pass this thing on to a
 charity recipient.

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell mystery bike

Oh, oh! I want to take it to White Mesa!

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh! Tires are SOLID! Yes!!!


 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:15 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just in! Note double top tube (dropped; no down tube on this bike) with
 comfortably placed bar and new Brooks Shanghai sprung model in avant
 guard vinyl with springs cleverly moved to seatpost by Nito (bought by
 mainland Counterfeit Industries. Wald basket, no-grip pedals, steel of
 course. Roughy-Fy Tires!

 Really!!!??? Nope, juut kiddding. POS (tm) comfort bike belonging to
 friend who just upgraded to Novara Fusion; I am to pass this thing on to a
 charity recipient.

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 Believe nothing until it has been officially denied.
-- Claude Cockburn

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wondering about Avocet Fastgrips 559X1.25

Uh oh: you prolly meant 25 quid for the WIRE bead, no? Still 

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 2:25 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks again -- that's a damn' good price for Kevlar bead. Will keep that
 in mind, tho' I hope Schwalbe will give me a pair for free in warranty.

 And SJS have the Nelson Longflap for 50 quid -- $80


 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.comwrote:


 Yeah. Thinking about it again I got the math all wrong. 25 quid X 1.6
 is about 40 US, not 50, for the kevlar bead. Add shipping and subtract
 VAT.


 On Sep 29, 10:25 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thanks, Jay. IIRC the wires go for about the same in the US, tho' I
 gather
  there may be availability issues. $50 US for the folding tho; is $5 to
 $10
  less than most here.
 
  Let's see what the distributor does or does not do ... and I've still
 got a
  pair on the Fargo.
 
  On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv jayin...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
   Patrick,
 
   I often find that the UK websites have good prices on tires. I checked
   SJS for you and they have Kojaks for 25 quid, about 35 US. Folding
   bead were about 50 US. I don't remember how much they get for
   shipping, but they vat dedction would offset part of it and it may be
   free if you order enough.
   Happy shopping and happy rolling.
 
   Jay
 
   On Sep 29, 5:13 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael: thanks for this. I know the Cross II or at least the model
 that
preceded it some 10 years ago and found it a good all rounder tire,
 but
   for
this bike I want a large (ish -- my definition of large is not
everybody's), supple, light road tire and the Kojak is ideal (just
   measured
and the Compass 26X1.75 is too tall for my Riv).
 
Alas, I've long since given or traded away the back issues of BQ
 that
discussed tire rolling resistance -- does anyone know how the
 Fastgrip
performed?
 
The Kojak is really a wonderful tire; if it were not a $ issue I'd
 just
   go
out an buy another pair. Meanwhile, I'm waiting to hear back from
 the NA
distributor for Schwalbe.
 
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Michael Hechmer 
 mhech...@gmail.com
   wrote:
 Patrick, if memory serves me right, The 700C fastgrip was part of
 Jan
 Hein's first roll out experiment.  You might look into that.  I
 ran the
 Avocet 700c x 38 Cross II for commuting and still use them off
 road.
   They
 are the biggest, heaviest tire I use on a single and I like them
   because
  they roll pretty well, offer excellent wet and dirt road
 traction and
   have
 never punctured.  For a 26 tire we tour with the Marathon Racer
 on the
 tandem.  Mostly dirt roads.  I have found them to be a good ride
 on a
   bike
 that approaches 400 lbs, or well over while touring.
 
 Michael
 
 On Friday, September 28, 2012 4:39:13 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore
 wrote:
 
 The very nice rolling Kojaks that I bought from a listmember have
   faulty
 (wire) beads that keep popping out and puncturing the tubes --
 odd,
   after
 cutting off some 6 from the rear in two sections, I feel no
 place on
   the
 sidewall that does not have a bead: perhaps this was gross
 overlap?
 
 Anyway, while waiting to contact Schwalbe for recourse, I've
   installed an
 old pair of Avocet Fastgrips, 559X1.25. They feel more sluggish
 than
   the
 Kojaks which, for their part, seem as good rolling as the very
 supple
   and
 light 1 Turbos. Odd, too, that they feel harder to my thumb at
 ~60
   psi
 than did the Kojaks, tho' they roll smoothly enough at 60. I've
   bumped up
 pressure to ~75/70 f/r and will try that, but just may go back
 to the
 Turbos for the nonce.
 
 Does anyone with experience of the Fastgrips, or well-informed
 scuttlebutt, have comments on the rolling-nature of this tire?
 Apart
   from
 my perception (and I'm always willing to be proved wrong) they
 look
   pretty
 good for my purpose: a  lightish, fastish, narrowish but durable
 tire
   for
 the Riv Commuter than can carry a 30 lb rear load without
 worrying
   about
 pinch flats.
 
 Also: has anyone had my experience with Kojak or, more generally,
 Schwalbe beads?
 
 Thanks.
 
 --
 Believe nothing until it has been officially denied.
-- Claude
 Cockburn
 
 -
 Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA
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http://resumespecialties.com/**index.html
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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell mystery bike

2012-09-30 Thread Joe Bernard

You're talking to yourself again.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 3:21:13 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Oh, oh! I want to take it to White Mesa!

 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE bert...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Oh! Tires are SOLID! Yes!!!


 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:15 PM, PATRICK MOORE 
 bert...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 Just in! Note double top tube (dropped; no down tube on this bike) with 
 comfortably placed bar and new Brooks Shanghai sprung model in avant 
 guard vinyl with springs cleverly moved to seatpost by Nito (bought by 
 mainland Counterfeit Industries. Wald basket, no-grip pedals, steel of 
 course. Roughy-Fy Tires!

 Really!!!??? Nope, juut kiddding. POS (tm) comfort bike belonging to 
 friend who just upgraded to Novara Fusion; I am to pass this thing on to a 
 charity recipient.

 -- 
 Believe nothing until it has been officially denied.
-- Claude Cockburn

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[RBW] Society Finally Catching up to Grant

2012-09-30 Thread Peter M

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/sunday-review/to-encourage-biking-cities-forget-about-helmets.html?pagewanted=all

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[RBW] Winter Shoe Recommendations?

2012-09-30 Thread Shaun Meehan

Hi All,

I'm looking for some recommendations for winter riding shoes or boots. For
just plain old platform style pedals, not clipless SPD pedals. And by
winter I mean cold weather. Not West Coast cold (which we refer to as
chilly in these parts) but Minnesota cold. Something that will keep my
feet dry and warm down to zero degrees Fahrenheit and below. Right now I'm
using Tioga Surefoot and Spyder pedals on my two most ridden bikes (if it
makes a difference). And in warmer weather I typically ride in Adidas Samba
Millenniums or Keen sandals. Any recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Rivendell mystery bike

And to the world, my little friend, and to the world.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 You're talking to yourself again.

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Sunday, September 30, 2012 3:21:13 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Oh, oh! I want to take it to White Mesa!

 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:17 PM, PATRICK MOORE bert...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh! Tires are SOLID! Yes!!!


 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:15 PM, PATRICK MOORE bert...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just in! Note double top tube (dropped; no down tube on this bike) with
 comfortably placed bar and new Brooks Shanghai sprung model in avant
 guard vinyl with springs cleverly moved to seatpost by Nito (bought by
 mainland Counterfeit Industries. Wald basket, no-grip pedals, steel of
 course. Roughy-Fy Tires!

 Really!!!??? Nope, juut kiddding. POS (tm) comfort bike belonging
 to friend who just upgraded to Novara Fusion; I am to pass this thing on to
 a charity recipient.

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 Believe nothing until it has been officially denied.
-- Claude Cockburn

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[RBW] Re: Winter Shoe Recommendations?

2012-09-30 Thread charlie

maybe Sorel arctic boots...

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:59:51 PM UTC-7, meehan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I'm looking for some recommendations for winter riding shoes or boots. For 
 just plain old platform style pedals, not clipless SPD pedals. And by 
 winter I mean cold weather. Not West Coast cold (which we refer to as 
 chilly in these parts) but Minnesota cold. Something that will keep my 
 feet dry and warm down to zero degrees Fahrenheit and below. Right now I'm 
 using Tioga Surefoot and Spyder pedals on my two most ridden bikes (if it 
 makes a difference). And in warmer weather I typically ride in Adidas Samba 
 Millenniums or Keen sandals. Any recommendations are appreciated. 

 Thanks! 
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Re: [RBW] Winter Shoe Recommendations?

2012-09-30 Thread Dan Abelson

Shaun

I am use red Wing insulated work boots down to zero and they work well for
me. I have wide feet and the fact they come in wide widths helps.

Dan Abelson
St Paul, MN
On Sep 30, 2012 6:59 PM, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All,

 I'm looking for some recommendations for winter riding shoes or boots. For
 just plain old platform style pedals, not clipless SPD pedals. And by
 winter I mean cold weather. Not West Coast cold (which we refer to as
 chilly in these parts) but Minnesota cold. Something that will keep my
 feet dry and warm down to zero degrees Fahrenheit and below. Right now I'm
 using Tioga Surefoot and Spyder pedals on my two most ridden bikes (if it
 makes a difference). And in warmer weather I typically ride in Adidas Samba
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 Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

2012-09-30 Thread gep71154

I'm not leading any anti-helmet charge...and whatever my stance on them is,
it's on the heels of people way smarter than I am. Questioning helmets is
not the same as questioning the importance of safety. It is that *only* if
you regard helmets as totally safe *and* ignore any tendency to take more
risks when wearing one. Those are the qualifiers, and as quick as they are
to describe, I'd say they're biggies.

Everybody has a first or second hand experience with a helmet that helped
(or may have) in an accident. I don't question that if you're doomed to hit
your head, you're better off with a helmet on. But this is not an issue
that is simply a matter of black/white, smart/dumb, or life/death. Iti is
far more complicated than that, and articles such as the Times one here
(I'll soon have it up on the BLUG) add something to the discussion.

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:33:18 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/sunday-review/to-encourage-biking-cities-forget-about-helmets.html?pagewanted=all

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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

I've already read the article, which was written from a European
perspective.  If riding in your community is comparable to Copenhagen
or Paris, I'm sure the article will be very germane.  You might also
read the comments to the article from NYT readers...

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Sep 30, 6:29 pm, gep71...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm not leading any anti-helmet charge...and whatever my stance on them is,
 it's on the heels of people way smarter than I am. Questioning helmets is
 not the same as questioning the importance of safety. It is that *only* if
 you regard helmets as totally safe *and* ignore any tendency to take more
 risks when wearing one. Those are the qualifiers, and as quick as they are
 to describe, I'd say they're biggies.

 Everybody has a first or second hand experience with a helmet that helped
 (or may have) in an accident. I don't question that if you're doomed to hit
 your head, you're better off with a helmet on. But this is not an issue
 that is simply a matter of black/white, smart/dumb, or life/death. Iti is
 far more complicated than that, and articles such as the Times one here
 (I'll soon have it up on the BLUG) add something to the discussion.







 On Sunday, September 30, 2012 4:33:18 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/sunday-review/to-encourage-biking-c...

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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant



 I do not think wearing a helmet makes me take more risks when riding.
 Why? Because I am also concerned that I don't break my collar bones, arms, 
 hands, legs, injure internal organs, etc.
 So I am going to be very careful anyway.
  

I wonder if there have been any reliable studies about the efficacy of 
helmets in the USA.
 
Also, I don't believe you can compare the cycling milieu in the USA to a 
Euro or Chinese milieu.
 
It would be nice to know for sure if helmets are necessary. I dislike 
wearing them.

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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

Here's another article the group might find interesting:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/josh-brodesky-my-brush-with-death-and-my-new-rules/article_53fedad6-1ff6-5083-8610-2f4a77303c81.html

Note that the street mentioned in this article, Mountain Avenue. is a
specific bike thoroughfare with wide bike lanes and it's regularly
traversed by many cyclists on a daily basis (especially while the
University of Arizona is in session).

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

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[RBW] Re: Shimano 9spd DA Downtube Shifters in Bar End Pods?

2012-09-30 Thread blakcloud

I have the same shifter and experienced the same problem but they were on 
the down tube of the bike. It wouldn't make the click and wouldn't stay in 
the cog. I tried everything to get it to work, I finally just gave up and 
decided I had an eight speed instead of nine. At the time I kept thinking 
there is something wrong with these shifters. This year, I went with the 
Albatross bar, I decided not to buy the retrofit pods for the shifters, 
since they didn't seem to work, and instead bought the Dura Ace Bar End 
shifters. 

What a world of difference. True bar ends work like a charm. Right from the 
get go, installed them and they shifted up and down, with no problems what 
so ever. 

I know this really doesn't help you but I will be interested to know if 
there is a solution since I still have the shifters and want to use them 
someday. 


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[RBW] Re: FS 58cm atlantis. Sydney Australia

2012-09-30 Thread Savvas

Hi Brevivelo,

I am in Adelaide and have been interested in getting an Atlantis for some 
years (or at least since they were half the price they are today!) I 
suspect that 58cm is about my RivBike recommended size so I'm pretty 
interested in your proposed sake. I wonder if you could give a few details 
regarding tyres you are using and standover, cockpit length (bars to back 
of saddle) etc. A picture would be great too. I don't know how to PM here 
but my address is kabir(at)chariot.net.au (Kabir was sort of like the 
Shakespeare of India). I'll just go measure my PBH again... 

Savvas.

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:44:08 AM UTC+9:30, Brevivelo wrote:

 It is a great bike. I like it a lot. May get a Sam H in the future. 
 Exchange rate is about even. And I bought the frame only when the exchange 
 rate was about 60c to the usd for me. But that's my bad luck. Thinking 
 $1900 will be the, selling price


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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Coffee Ride

2012-09-30 Thread Robert Barr

Jim, I am curious about the age of the woman who commented on your bike. I
had a strikingly different comment last week at my local coffee shop (I
detect some similar tendencies with this group). For the second time in
about two weeks I was complimented on my new style commuting bike. My new
style bike is a 1993 MB3, with Alba bars, Brooks saddle, and Nitto racks
front and back. A large Wald basket sits on the back. The girl that
commented on my bike said she likes the look of the new commuting bikes and
was hoping to buy a Surly. She said her father and his friends like to ride
old racing bikes and wear funny bike outfits (her words!). The week before
a student made a similar comment, and asked were he could buy a bike like
mine because he wants to ride to work and old style bikes aren't good for
that (again - his words). It all depends on what you remember. The girl at
the coffee shop was probably the same age as my bike, and I am sure she has
never seen English roadster. I think I know who her father is, and if I am
correct he rides a very new Trek Madone. We will see what they say about my
new Hunqapillar, it should be at the coffee shop next week.  Bob


On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 3:39 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 Shoulda' gone with sepia; old-timey and artsy all in one!

 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:47 AM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote:

 Did my standard irregular coffee ride.

 I woman noticed the bike and wondered where I'd come from.
 I replied that I'd come from 11 miles away.  She thought I was from
 England.

 These pictures may show the perceptual differences.
 I think Modern, others thing Old School.

 Modern:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8039625142/in/photostream/

 Old School:
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/8039571067/in/photostream/


 -JimD

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[RBW] Re: WTB albatross bar setup

2012-09-30 Thread gordo

Hey JL,

I'm in SF and have a set of heat-treated aluminum alba bars with Tektro 
grips, a long reach Kalloy quill stem and Deore thumbies.  Please let me 
know if you're interested and we can discuss price and a convenient time to 
meet up.

Cheers,

Eric
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On Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:12:00 PM UTC-7, JL wrote:

 I am looking for an alba setup.  Does anyone have an extra/unused set?

  I need to get the whole usual set - shifters, grips, brake levers, 
 longish stem, - but I can piece it together if i need to.

 Bar sets local to the San Francisco Bay Area would be great.  Shipping can 
 get expensive.

 Thanks
 JL


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[RBW] What size Hunq

2012-09-30 Thread John Johnson

I need some advice/help on the right size Hunq to order. I'm 6'1 and have 
a 91cm PBH.  I also plan on running a Albatross bar.  According to the Riv 
website, I'd be on a 58cm, but I've been advised to get a 62cm, which 
sounds large.  Many thanks.

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[RBW] FS: NIB Swift Custom Bags, VO Rack, few other small bits

2012-09-30 Thread jeremy roethel

Have a few things to offer for sale. Prices in parenthesis next to price is 
s/h cost, will combine at reduced rate of course.


   - Swift Ozette Rando Bag  Large Trunk Saddle Bag, Custom (Rust, grey 
   canvas, blue trim). Asking $270 for the set. (+$15)

I got these bags last August, decided to go a different route for my 
rando/touring needs. These are basically NIB, haven't seen the light of day 
(shame really). The stitching  craftsmanship on these bags is top notch!!

[image: Inline image 2]

[image: Inline image 3]



   - VO Randonneur Front Rack with Integrated Decaleur. On my bike for one 
   week. Comes w/ hardware, and I'll include a pair of P-Clamps (from riv) in 
   size large. $85 (+$15). 
   - Nitto Tech. Deluxe Stem, 90mm, 26.0 - used w/ insertion marks, $30 
   (+$7)
   - Campagnolo Super Record Cranks (Strada), 170mm, no chainrings. Shiny 
   high polish!  $130 (+$10)
   - Grip King Pedals, used for one trip but decided I prefer clipless. 
   Minimal scuffing/wear, $40 (+$7)


I ship promptly, via USPS or Fedex if you prefer. Additional pics available 
upon request, thanks for looking!

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[RBW] Re: Grant's visit to DC area yesterday

2012-09-30 Thread MG

Hi, Joan, 

Nice summary of Grant's visit! I thoroughly enjoyed his presentation (AND 
loved seeing what people rode to the event, too). Good flickr set, too.

MG
www.chasingmailboxes.com

On Friday, September 28, 2012 12:15:48 PM UTC-4, Joan wrote:

  Grant visited us in the DC area yesterday afternoon and evening - and I 
 do mean evening.  The group ride (about a dozen people) started a little 
 after 5 pm, we went about 17 miles round trip.  After much chatting back at 
 the shop, and the addition of another 15 people or so, Grant started his 
 talk after 8, in the dark on a section of parking lot above College Park 
 Bicycles.  Larry and Linda Black - owners of College Park as well as Mt 
 Airy Cyles - were terrific hosts.  Great bike route on the Painted Branch 
 Creek trail and then through the Ag Center (Beltsville Agricultural 
 Research Center, division of the USDA) - nice rural riding in a very built 
 up area.  There were some snacks and drinks for everyone when we returned 
 to the store.

 I met the Mystery Bike in person - oh, and its owner, Tom A!  He's a 
 delightful guy, it was great to meet him.  The bike is definitely unusual 
 and looks really comfortable.  Bikes in attendance - a couple of Romulus's, 
 2 Hillbornes (Greg and Paul, who drove up from Richmond) - one with single 
 top tube, one with double.  A Quickbeam and a Simpleone, couple of All 
 Rounders, an Atlantis (or two).  One Bleriot, of course.  I've probably 
 missed some (I didn't take any notes!)

 I'm not sure but I think Tom, Richard H (he has a new Hilsen), Ed F and I 
 were the only people from this list who were in attendance.  If I missed 
 someone, give a shout out.  

 Grant's talk was interesting, especially hearing (as others have noted) 
 where he was as a biker for nearly 30 years - racing for over 6 years, but, 
 he said, for 22 years after that, he continued to view biking as requiring 
 pre-planning for speed and split times, and recording all kinds of 
 measurements about his rides.  He said that if he went for a casual ride 
 with his family, he needed to go for his own workout ride afterwards.  I 
 think all of that background gives enormous credibility to where he is 
 today about biking, fun, unracing.   He and I also talked books (not Just 
 Ride) and general stuff.  He's a neat guy just to hang out with.

 I asked him if he invented burpees, the answer is no.  But then he gave 
 an impressive demonstration.  He can do an excellent fluid burpee!  I 
 find them very hard, and can do them only awkwardly.  

 Pictures - 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/30856149@N04/sets/72157631643353543/

 Joan
 By the way, I rode to College Park from my house in Arlington, winding my 
 way through downtown DC and then winding through Northeast DC.  Those 15 
 miles took over an hour and a half - traffic, lights, a couple of stops for 
 route discussions. I used Google maps biking directions, though Google's 
 first choice used a busy road for part of the ride, and I went over the 
 route piece by piece on my own before printing but still there were some 
 busy roads and uncertainties.  It was close to 9 pm when the gathering 
 winded down and I took the subway home.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's visit to DC area yesterday

2012-09-30 Thread Colin Bortner

Thank you for the writeup Joan! I'm mostly a lurker on the list, but I
made it to the talk -- I was the guy in the blue shirt, red shorts,
and front-loaded SimpleOne. It was a great event. Many thanks to Larry
for putting it together, and to everyone who made the ride out.


On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:29 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 Noticed the Just Ride poster in the window of the shop in one of the
 photos.  How about a car window sticker sized version?  Yeh, yeh, we
 shouldn't drive but we do; doesn't have to stop us from promoting
 bikes  riding while doing so.

 dougP

 On Sep 28, 9:15 am, Joan Oppel oppel...@verizon.net wrote:
  Grant visited us in the DC area yesterday afternoon and evening - and I do 
 mean evening.  The group ride (about a dozen people) started a little after 
 5 pm, we went about 17 miles round trip.  After much chatting back at the 
 shop, and the addition of another 15 people or so, Grant started his talk 
 after 8, in the dark on a section of parking lot above College Park 
 Bicycles.  Larry and Linda Black - owners of College Park as well as Mt Airy 
 Cyles - were terrific hosts.  Great bike route on the Painted Branch Creek 
 trail and then through the Ag Center (Beltsville Agricultural Research 
 Center, division of the USDA) - nice rural riding in a very built up area.  
 There were some snacks and drinks for everyone when we returned to the store.



 I met the Mystery Bike in person - oh, and its owner, Tom A!  He's a 
 delightful guy, it was great to meet him.  The bike is definitely unusual 
 and looks really comfortable.  Bikes in attendance - a couple of Romulus's, 
 2 Hillbornes (Greg and Paul, who drove up from Richmond) - one with single 
 top tube, one with double.  A Quickbeam and a Simpleone, couple of All 
 Rounders, an Atlantis (or two).  One Bleriot, of course.  I've probably 
 missed some (I didn't take any notes!)



 I'm not sure but I think Tom, Richard H (he has a new Hilsen), Ed F and I 
 were the only people from this list who were in attendance.  If I missed 
 someone, give a shout out.



 Grant's talk was interesting, especially hearing (as others have noted) 
 where he was as a biker for nearly 30 years - racing for over 6 years, but, 
 he said, for 22 years after that, he continued to view biking as requiring 
 pre-planning for speed and split times, and recording all kinds of 
 measurements about his rides.  He said that if he went for a casual ride 
 with his family, he needed to go for his own workout ride afterwards.  I 
 think all of that background gives enormous credibility to where he is today 
 about biking, fun, unracing.   He and I also talked books (not Just Ride) 
 and general stuff.  He's a neat guy just to hang out with.



 I asked him if he invented burpees, the answer is no.  But then he gave an 
 impressive demonstration.  He can do an excellent fluid burpee!  I find 
 them very hard, and can do them only awkwardly.



 Pictures - http://www.flickr.com/photos/30856149@N04/sets/72157631643353543/



 Joan

 By the way, I rode to College Park from my house in Arlington, winding my 
 way through downtown DC and then winding through Northeast DC.  Those 15 
 miles took over an hour and a half - traffic, lights, a couple of stops for 
 route discussions. I used Google maps biking directions, though Google's 
 first choice used a busy road for part of the ride, and I went over the 
 route piece by piece on my own before printing but still there were some 
 busy roads and uncertainties.  It was close to 9 pm when the gathering 
 winded down and I took the subway home.



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[RBW] Re: Brooklyn Cruiser on Glee

2012-09-30 Thread Ryan

Surprisingly they were both BC's.   Grant's been a brilliant addition to 
our team.

On Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:27:00 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 While I would love to give props to Grant on the Advisory Council for 
 Brooklyn Cruiser I just dont see him as a gleek. It was, however, a 
 happy respite from the usual nonsense on this show to see a Brooklyn 
 Cruiser-double top tube and all in the background shot of what is 
 laughably supposed to be a dive apartment in Brooklyn.  I think the 
 other bike was a Schwinn Cream.  this is your pop culture moment, 
 just slightly OT. 


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[RBW] Re: In theory: New Riv model with new SRAM 1x11 and no FD

2012-09-30 Thread RoadieRyan

I say if you can dream it build it.  There may be less expensive ways to do 
it as others have pointed out, most notably the Alfine 11 speed IGH, but 
part of the fun of bikes and gear is coming up with off the wall 
applications.

I recently converted my Handsome Devil from a Sugino Triple 46/36/26 with 8 
speed cassette to a single 34t with 9 speed 11x34 cassette.  It works great 
in my hilly area of Seattle and gives me a nice simple bike when I just 
want to hope on and go.  One Derailleur, one shifter (Friction bar end)  
one chainring.  So far I have had no chain drop issues which I was warned 
by a LBS owner was a big draw back of of 1x9's. of course I think he was 
just trying to selling me on a IGH.  I have a Paul Chain keeper but I 
haven't gotten around to installing because its just hasn't been 
necessary.  

Whatever you do have fun with the build and of course post some pics.

Ryan

On Sunday, September 23, 2012 9:57:13 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 I'm pretty sure that the new Riv model with no cable stop for front 
 shifting (and hence no easy way to do a FD) would be a great candidate the 
 new cogs that SRAM is coming out with: 11 speed cluster in the rear with 42 
 as the largest one and only one chainring in the front.

 You could do 34 or 32 as your single front chainring and still pretty much 
 have a lowest gear suitable for touring. With a 32 in front, the 32/42 low 
 would be very similar to a 24T granny combined with 32T rear cog. With a 34 
 in front, the 34/42 low would be a bit easier than a 24/29.

 The lack of large outer chainring would provide good real estate for a 
 pants guard. Also, I've been riding my 1x11 Alfine QB a lot lately, and 
 it's nice to have a wide gear range and no FD. Just a bit less complication 
 and a beautiful bare seat tube when you look down. I think it would be even 
 better with a rear derailleur instead of IGH.

 Such a bike would be really sweet.

 -Jim W.



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Re: [RBW] Grant at College Park Bikes - DC metro area

2012-09-30 Thread Jeff Lesperance

College Park Bikes has posted some pics of the gathering last night:

http://www.bike123.com/Grant%20Peterson%20slide%20show/

only of the discussion, none of your beautiful bikes pictured - it was nice
to see the a good collection of Riv's together out in the wild though

Is there a proper term for a collection of Riv's out in the wild? Gaggle?
Flock? Clutch? Herd? Drove? Litter? Swarm? School? Cast? Skein? Muster?
Colony? Team? Troop? Pod? Bevy? Horde?


On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM, islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net wrote:

 Thanks for sharing Proteus as well as CPC.  When I first moved to this
 area 30+ years ago I had an old Mercier with tubulars.  Proteus had
 affordable Clement tubulars and I would make the trip up there to buy
 them.  Steve


 On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 7:10:37 PM UTC-4, Marty wrote:

 There's an outside chance I'll be there, but if not, here's a preview -
 and a bonus. There are* two* great shops in College Park, not far from
 each other. College Park Cycles is maybe the biggest and best, but Proteus
 Bicycles is worth a stop too. Larry Black is THE guy at CPC, would give
 Sheldon a run for his money in the deep knowledge department, but you have
 to literally nail him down to get a word in with him. Busy guy. - probably
 has sold more lugged steel bikes, tandems, triples, quads and recumbents
 than everyone else put together. I've sold him a number of bikes from my
 own stable over the years, mostly old Paramounts. Always a fair deal. If
 you need Honjos, he has 'em. Nitto? No problem. Tubus? You want black or
 silver? That left side saddle support from an old Campy NR post? You want
 NOS or used? Hmmm...maybe a never-built up  Trek 720 frameset? Don't bump
 your head on it! You get the idea.


 Anyway, here's a sneak-peek at what you'll see hanging in the rafters
 there, and at Proteus if you get a chance to stop in. Like I said, both are
 worth a visit:

  *http://tinyurl.com/98e96cv*
 *
 *
 Hope to see some of you there! Bring money...something hanging in there
 has your name on it.
 *
 *
 Marty

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[RBW] Re: Front rack bag for tall riders?

2012-09-30 Thread john

@ Steve, Joe, and Jim: thanks for the great photos. These really help. I've 
got an interesting situation (I think). I have been flummoxed in trying to 
set up a handlebar bag for some time now. In short, my bike's long head 
tube combined with a fairly large frame have been difficult to fit. I ride 
a Sam Hillborne (60 cm). The drop from the horrizontal stem bolt to the top 
of my fender (where a rack would sit if I still had one on) is 32 cm.  

My first attempt was with an Ostrich bag with a Velo Orange stem-mounted 
decaleur. The bag was too short: it didn't reach my rack.

The second attempt was with a Swift Industries rando bag (their largest). 
Still too short to reach the top of the rack.

I've been eyeing a Gilles Berthoud 28 (their largest) for a couple years 
now, but have not wanted to pull the trigger for fear of it not working, 
either. 

So, questions to any and all: The largest Berthoud is 25 cm tall. I've 
still got 7 cm between the bag and the horrizontal stem bolt. Will the 
Berthoud decaleur get me to the rack? If so, do I purchase their standard 
size (91) or their longer (121)? 

I'll attatch a picture of my set up in hopes of helping to clarify my 
situation. 

Thanks all!



On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:10:22 PM UTC-7, Rex Kerr wrote:

 My handlebar bag is in tatters and needing replacement.  In addition, it 
 doesn't work on my AHH's mustache bars, which has me thinking of converting 
 to a rack mounted bag since both of the bikes I'd use it on have front 
 racks.  The problem is, in all of the pictures that I see where they look 
 very conveniently placed, they're on small bikes.  On these small bikes 
 with short steerer tubes the bag is tall enough to come up nearly to the 
 bar height, and all is well.  Problem for us tall guys is that the distance 
 down to the rack is quite extreme.  So, I'm thinking that such a bag 
 wouldn't be ideal for me.  

 Any thoughts on this subject from fellow tall riders?  Have you tried such 
 a bag?  Did it feel inconvenient to use?  Did you find it to be a 
 non-issue, such that you're wondering what I'm fretting about?

 Thanks!
 -Rex


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[RBW] Re: Paul Brakes; MiniMoto v. Motolite

2012-09-30 Thread CW83

The mini moto is a great brake, at least on my bike, which I use for road 
riding, commuting, and occasional gravel grinding..

I replaced a Tektro R6 mini-V on the front of my Lynskey ProCross (Alpha Q 
CX 10 fork; Shimano Ultegra 6700 levers; Mavic CXP33 and, sometimes, A719 
rims; Continental 28mm GP 4-seasons tyres and, sometimes, Schwalbe Marathon 
28mm tyres; Shimano cables  housing) with a mini-moto. 

The Tektro has, I think, 90mm arms, and is similar to the TRP 9.0 (its arms 
appear to be almost identical; I suspect springs  accoutrements are of 
lesser quality--I've only been able to glance at the TRP brakes on someone 
else's bike). The Tektro is not a bad brake, it's reasonably powerful. It's 
certainly *much* more powerful and useful than the Avid Ultimate cantilever 
brake (set up in narrow stance)I used it to replace. At least with my 
setup.  

The Avid's stopping power, both with its original pads and with salmon 
Kool-Stop pads, was only notional when braking from the tops, and just okay 
from the drops. And before anyone writes to me about cable lengths and 
cantilever adjustment, please know that I've worked on bikes with 
cantilevers of all types, brands, and models for nearly 40 years. After I 
had done my best with them, I had their setup checked and tweaked by a 
highly experienced, and well-regarded racing mechanic--with the same 
result. The Avid's are well made, easy to adjust, and have smooth 
modulation. However, on *my* bike, with *my* components, they were less 
powerful than the Tektro CX720 cantilevers I have on another bike (with a 
different type of lever)  and for my purposes almost dangerously useless in 
the wet. They were *almost* acceptable when I added Cane Creek CX levers to 
the bars, but I don't like braking from a position so close to the centre 
of the bars. I add that as I have incipient arthritis in my hands, my hand 
strength from the tops is sometimes weaker than I'd like. I suspect the 
type and pull of lever is crucial to these brakes.

In terms of raw stopping power, the Tektro was strong from the tops and 
excellent from the drops. They worked well with Kool-Stop salmon pads. But 
I had to run the pads extremely close to the rims and use high spring 
tension on one side of the brake in order to keep the arms centered. Their 
modulation was a *little* on-off, but more than acceptable. I had to keep a 
close eye on their adjustment. They had more power than the Tektro CX720 
cantilevers and lots more than the Avids. Eventually, one of the 
spring-tension screws threaded (paradoxically, not the side that was highly 
tensioned) on the front brake. I think they're a very good brake for the 
price.

In comparison, using the same bike, fork, levers, and rims, the mini-moto 
is well made, powerful, and well modulated in both dry and wet conditions 
from the tops or the drops. The brakes have a sharply defined sculptural, 
CNCish shape and are well finished. In the dry, they are powerful enough to 
throw me over the handlebars from the tops. In the wet, they stop quickly 
and surely. They have a light feel at the lever, and are easy to modulate. 
The pads run much wider than on either the Tektro or the Avids. The noodle 
and barrel adjuster are easy to use. The quick release is simple, 
effective, and efficient. I'm using the supplied salmon Kool-Stop one-piece 
long pads.These brakes are a pleasure; I also think they look good, but 
that's irrelevant. I'd been contemplating getting a disc brake for my front 
brake; I'm now reconsidering since these are so good. 

I hope this was helpful.



On Friday, 17 August 2012 10:25:41 UTC+10, The Cripler wrote:

 I tried running a mini-moto on my Atlantis with a 50mm Big Apple. The 
 brake itself work great. I had a little trouble getting the tension even, 
 but I'm not entirely sure that was an issue with the brakes design. All in 
 all it was pretty easy to set up. Unfortunately, running the mini-moto with 
 the 50mm BA wasn't in the cards as the straddle cable was just too close to 
 the tire to be comfortable with. Still, if I ever decide to run 35mm's on 
 my Atlantis and had the money to spend, I'd seriously consider getting the 
 mini-moto again.
  
  
  
 On Sunday, May 20, 2012 4:27:28 PM UTC-7, Ray wrote:

 Seeking comments re: advantages, disadvantages, ease of set-up, 
 stopping efficiency, other comparative comments. the link: 

 http://paulcomp.com/minimoto.html



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[RBW] Re: Grant needs a Riv in AZ.

2012-09-30 Thread Phil

Dreamy Draw area is nice. We have a condo near there. I offered my 
Hillborne in an email to Grant a couple of days ago. Got an instant out of 
the office reply. Just as well. Keeps me from having to truck a bike into 
the bowels of Phoenix.

Phil

On Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:53:41 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Grant (or anyone heading to the Valley of the Sun): If you have the time, 
 try to get up to Dreamy Draw Rec. Area. It is an amazing place to hike and 
 bike in the middle of the urban sprawl. Riding Trail 100 is my favorite 
 thing to do when visiting family out there: 
 http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=64942209@N00q=trail%20100 Have rode it 
 on a Rockhound, Quickbeam, Bleriot and All-Rounder.  I doesn't get old!

 On Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:01:16 AM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote:

 Interested to hear how this plays out. 

 On Sep 25, 5:44 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: 
  http://rivbike.tumblr.com/ 
  
  Joe Bernard 
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[RBW] Drop Bar Suggestions?

2012-09-30 Thread tragicallyaverage

Building up a bike and it needs some new drops. Any suggestions? What do 
you ride?
I know Noodles of course, and I've tried them in 3 different widths and for 
some reason they don't hit home for me.
If you had to put a drop bar other than a Noodle on your Riv/Riv-ish bike, 
what would it be?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

2012-09-30 Thread Peter Morgano

If you read the ny times article it touches on these kind of personal
stories. The issue is that without taking away the stigma of helmet use and
cyclists as being the other we will never get where Europe is. I fell
going 35mph and a helmet probably saved me from more harm than I got but
going down the side of a mountain is not riding to the grocery store.
Cyclists need to reach a critical mass where drivers and laws that favor a
car based society can make may for a bike friendly environment. Dropping
the wear a helmet or die mantra is part of this push as I see it.
On Sep 30, 2012 9:56 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:

Here's another article the group might find interesting:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/josh-brodesky-my-brush-with-death-and-my-new-rules/article_53fedad6-1ff6-5083-8610-2f4a77303c81.html

Note that the street mentioned in this article, Mountain Avenue. is a
specific bike thoroughfare with wide bike lanes and it's regularly
traversed by many cyclists on a daily basis (especially while the
University of Arizona is in session).

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/sunday-review/to-encourage-biking-c...

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Re: [RBW] Winter Shoe Recommendations?

2012-09-30 Thread Jim Mather

I've used Sorels for snow biking and they work really well. Big and clunky,
of course, but at those temperatures there are tradeoffs.

jim m
sunny wc ca

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi All,

 I'm looking for some recommendations for winter riding shoes or boots. For
 just plain old platform style pedals, not clipless SPD pedals. And by
 winter I mean cold weather. Not West Coast cold (which we refer to as
 chilly in these parts) but Minnesota cold. Something that will keep my
 feet dry and warm down to zero degrees Fahrenheit and below. Right now I'm
 using Tioga Surefoot and Spyder pedals on my two most ridden bikes (if it
 makes a difference). And in warmer weather I typically ride in Adidas Samba
 Millenniums or Keen sandals. Any recommendations are appreciated.

 Thanks!
 Shaun Meehan

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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

Tucson is a Bike Friendly Community and has received a Gold level
status from the League of American Bicyclists (LAB).  This, obviously,
didn't prevent the accident that was described in the article from
occurring.

Frankly, I could care less if someone chooses to wear a helmet, but
the justification for not wearing one shouldn't be couched in its
efficacy in an accident situation.  I think if anyone would like to
consult their local neurosurgeons for a collective opinion that would
probably be quite informative.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Sep 30, 7:04 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you read the ny times article it touches on these kind of personal
 stories. The issue is that without taking away the stigma of helmet use and
 cyclists as being the other we will never get where Europe is. I fell
 going 35mph and a helmet probably saved me from more harm than I got but
 going down the side of a mountain is not riding to the grocery store.
 Cyclists need to reach a critical mass where drivers and laws that favor a
 car based society can make may for a bike friendly environment. Dropping
 the wear a helmet or die mantra is part of this push as I see it.
 On Sep 30, 2012 9:56 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:







  Here's another article the group might find interesting:

 http://azstarnet.com/news/local/josh-brodesky-my-brush-with-death-and...

  Note that the street mentioned in this article, Mountain Avenue. is a
  specific bike thoroughfare with wide bike lanes and it's regularly
  traversed by many cyclists on a daily basis (especially while the
  University of Arizona is in session).

  Jim Cloud
  Tucson, AZ

  On Sep 30, 4:33 pm, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/sunday-review/to-encourage-biking-c...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooklyn Cruiser on Glee

2012-09-30 Thread Peter Morgano

Hey, schwinn cream is good company to have. While I live in unhip Bay Ridge
I wish yall well in the more progressive hoods out there. I dig the look,
definitely what I would describe as a non-pasleyized city bike. Shame I
am back up to 4 bikes in the apartment and hearing grumbling from my
patient wife
On Sep 30, 2012 10:02 PM, Ryan r...@brooklyncruiser.com wrote:

 Surprisingly they were both BC's.   Grant's been a brilliant addition to
 our team.

 On Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:27:00 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 While I would love to give props to Grant on the Advisory Council for
 Brooklyn Cruiser I just dont see him as a gleek. It was, however, a
 happy respite from the usual nonsense on this show to see a Brooklyn
 Cruiser-double top tube and all in the background shot of what is
 laughably supposed to be a dive apartment in Brooklyn.  I think the
 other bike was a Schwinn Cream.  this is your pop culture moment,
 just slightly OT.

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Re: [RBW] Drop Bar Suggestions?

2012-09-30 Thread Steve Palincsar

On Thu, 2012-09-27 at 16:10 -0700, tragicallyaverage wrote:
 Building up a bike and it needs some new drops. Any suggestions? What
 do you ride?
 I know Noodles of course, and I've tried them in 3 different widths
 and for some reason they don't hit home for me.
 If you had to put a drop bar other than a Noodle on your Riv/Riv-ish
 bike, what would it be?

I have Nitto 176s on mine.



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Re: [RBW] Society Finally Catching up to Grant

2012-09-30 Thread Bill Gibson

Besides some wonderful clothing, bikes, camping gear, and ideas, something
I've become since discovering Rivendell is a lot more tolerance around what
makes a good cyclist. I used to be very critical of those who didn't ...
whatever. Now, I am just happy when I see someone riding.

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Re: [RBW] Drop Bar Suggestions?

For me, who have used dozens of bars, these are the ne plus ultra of road
bars:

http://www.compasscycle.com/handlebars_gb_maes_para.html

They are made by Nitto to more-than-Nitto standards -- they make Noodles
look crude. but the essential benefit is the shape: you can set them
parallel to the ground for comfortable hooks while maintaining the long,
flat ramp.

They are narrow by Rivendell standards -- I think those on my Rivs are 37
or 38 at the hoods, tho' they flare at the ends of the hooks -- but again,
bar none, these are the most comfortable bars I have used. Road use
implied, of course.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On Thu, 2012-09-27 at 16:10 -0700, tragicallyaverage wrote:
  Building up a bike and it needs some new drops. Any suggestions? What
  do you ride?
  I know Noodles of course, and I've tried them in 3 different widths
  and for some reason they don't hit home for me.
  If you had to put a drop bar other than a Noodle on your Riv/Riv-ish
  bike, what would it be?

 I have Nitto 176s on mine.



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Re: [RBW] Winter Shoe Recommendations?

2012-09-30 Thread Lyle Bogart

Hey Shaun,

Try a pair of Bean boots:

http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/43351?feat=506796-GN3page=men-s-l-l-bean-boots-10-shearling-linedattrValue_0=Brown/BrownproductId=732953

http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/33172?feat=506796-GN3page=men-s-maine-hunting-shoes-10-gore-tex-thinsulateattrValue_0=Brown/BrownproductId=452938

They're much trimmer than a Sorel or similar boot and they get many folks
through the winter in Maine.

Cheers!

lyle

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On 30 September 2012 19:59, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi All,

I'm looking for some recommendations for winter riding shoes or boots. For
just plain old platform style pedals, not clipless SPD pedals. And by
winter I mean cold weather. Not West Coast cold (which we refer to as
chilly in these parts) but Minnesota cold. Something that will keep my
feet dry and warm down to zero degrees Fahrenheit and below. Right now I'm
using Tioga Surefoot and Spyder pedals on my two most ridden bikes (if it
makes a difference). And in warmer weather I typically ride in Adidas Samba
Millenniums or Keen sandals. Any recommendations are appreciated.

Thanks!
Shaun Meehan

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RE: [RBW] For Sale-RBW/Protovelo frame with some accessories (no wheels)

2012-09-30 Thread Marc Schwartz

Jack,
More info onthe Protovelo? Size, story, etc? The PV looks to be a beaut. The 
Specialized is one ugly bugger ( in a good way ).
Marc

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on 
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Subject: [RBW] For Sale-RBW/Protovelo frame with some accessories (no wheels)

I bought this frame and by the time I got a chance to ride it, I found it was 
too large for me.  I just wasn't thinking straight, I guess.  I called it a 
senior moment, and now have purchased a SOMA Fabrications ES.  I have this and 
my old bike, a Specialized Roubaix Pro, 2009,  both for sale.
$1850 for the Specialized and
$1350 for the Protovelo (blue)

Both have been professionally cleaned, inspected, tested, and can be shipped 
for $50 each.

Jack
615-319-8876
capn_j...@bellsouth.net
Nashville, TN

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Re: [RBW] Drop Bar Suggestions?

2012-09-30 Thread reynoldslugs

Salsa Bell Laps. If they were made in silver instead of black , they'd be my 
version of the perfect drop bar.
Max

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[RBW] Re: Combining small Nitto rack with Tektro hanger?

2012-09-30 Thread BSWP

Thanks for that, it's encouraging to hear it can be and has been done!

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:57:09 AM UTC-7, tim becker wrote:

   I just did this a few weeks ago and I can confirm it works, at least on 
 my Atlantis.  The Tektro hanger comes with two recessed allen nuts that 
 work with the Nitto.  A Sheldon's fender nut works here too, but the rack 
 stud is too long to allow the second bolt that attaches the fender to 
 engage.  The angle of the rack changes slightly due to the thickness of the 
 hanger, and the one or two thick toothy washers needed to clear the lower 
 headset cup - so attaching the lower struts to the braze-ons takes a little 
 more encouraging than usual.
   hope that helps.

 -tim

 On Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:24:01 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:

 Is it possible to combine a lower brake hanger, like the Tektro item RBW 
 sells, with a Nitto mini front rack? I would like to get better cable 
 routing for my front brake, and the fork crown mounted hanger looks like a 
 good item. But can the Nitto mini-rack bolt then pass through with enough 
 threads to fasten it on the back side of the fork? Maybe someone has tried 
 this...

 - Andrew, Berkeley



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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

2012-09-30 Thread dougP

A helmet only kicks in when you crash, so the use-or-not-use decision
involves a calculation (inexact at best) as to the liklihood of losing
control of one's destiny .  Riding like a racer thru rush hour traffic
in an urban area seems less controllable than puttering down a country
lane.  As with many cycling decisions, it's situational.

dougP

On Sep 30, 7:24 pm, Bill Gibson bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote:
 Besides some wonderful clothing, bikes, camping gear, and ideas, something
 I've become since discovering Rivendell is a lot more tolerance around what
 makes a good cyclist. I used to be very critical of those who didn't ...
 whatever. Now, I am just happy when I see someone riding.

 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/sunday-review/to-encourage-biking-c...

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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

2012-09-30 Thread Benz, Sunnyvale, CA

Since you brought up efficacy, do you have a peer-reviewed article to cite 
regarding this? No, a cracked helmet is not a demonstration of its 
efficacy; prove to yourself by cracking one in your hand and noticing that 
it takes very little force to do it. And no, a bicycle helmet is 
fundamentally different in design and efficacy than motorcycle helmets.

I'm essentially forced to wear a helmet most of the time even though I 
don't believe in its claimed efficacy because of social pressures. I 
believe helmets save scrapes and bruises but the amount of force it can 
absorb is probably insignificant in a car-bike accident. Furthermore, I'm 
old enough to not succumb to peer pressure. But I don't want to be 
disadvantaged in any way if an accident happens (that a helmet may or may 
not help) and I needed to recoup losses; I don't want to be assigned 
partial blame and lose restitution simply because everyone knows helmets 
save lives.

Despite the obvious, neurosurgeons are not experts in the analysis of force 
and impact (these would be engineers), and they see a biased sample of 
accidents that can skew their opinion. You wouldn't go to a neurosurgeon if 
you just lightly bang your forehead, would you?

Finally, this is not a pro- or anti-helmet post. Wear or don't wear a 
helmet; that's entirely your choice and none of my business. But if you 
going to claim this or that to support your stance, you should bring some 
data along for the ride.


On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:15:35 PM UTC-7, Jim Cloud wrote:

 Tucson is a Bike Friendly Community and has received a Gold level 
 status from the League of American Bicyclists (LAB).  This, obviously, 
 didn't prevent the accident that was described in the article from 
 occurring. 

 Frankly, I could care less if someone chooses to wear a helmet, but 
 the justification for not wearing one shouldn't be couched in its 
 efficacy in an accident situation.  I think if anyone would like to 
 consult their local neurosurgeons for a collective opinion that would 
 probably be quite informative. 

 Jim Cloud 
 Tucson, AZ 

 On Sep 30, 7:04 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 
  If you read the ny times article it touches on these kind of personal 
  stories. The issue is that without taking away the stigma of helmet use 
 and 
  cyclists as being the other we will never get where Europe is. I fell 
  going 35mph and a helmet probably saved me from more harm than I got but 
  going down the side of a mountain is not riding to the grocery store. 
  Cyclists need to reach a critical mass where drivers and laws that favor 
 a 
  car based society can make may for a bike friendly environment. Dropping 
  the wear a helmet or die mantra is part of this push as I see it. 
  On Sep 30, 2012 9:56 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   Here's another article the group might find interesting: 
  
  http://azstarnet.com/news/local/josh-brodesky-my-brush-with-death-and... 

  
   Note that the street mentioned in this article, Mountain Avenue. is a 
   specific bike thoroughfare with wide bike lanes and it's regularly 
   traversed by many cyclists on a daily basis (especially while the 
   University of Arizona is in session). 
  
   Jim Cloud 
   Tucson, AZ 
  
   On Sep 30, 4:33 pm, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: 
   
 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/sunday-review/to-encourage-biking-c... 



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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

2012-09-30 Thread rob markwardt




 Finally, this is not a pro- or anti-helmet post.


 Really?

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Coffee Ride

2012-09-30 Thread Reid


On Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:14:57 PM UTC-7, Robert Barr wrote: 

 Jim, I am curious about the age of the woman who commented on your bike. I 
 had a strikingly different comment last week at my local coffee shop (I 
 detect some similar tendencies with this group). For the second time in 
 about two weeks I was complimented on my new style commuting bike. My new 
 style bike is a 1993 MB3, with Alba bars, Brooks saddle, and Nitto racks 
 front and back. A large Wald basket sits on the back. The girl that 
 commented on my bike said she likes the look of the new commuting bikes and 
 was hoping to buy a Surly. She said her father and his friends like to ride 
 old racing bikes and wear funny bike outfits (her words!). The week before 
 a student made a similar comment, and asked were he could buy a bike like 
 mine because he wants to ride to work and old style bikes aren't good for 
 that (again - his words). It all depends on what you remember. The girl at 
 the coffee shop was probably the same age as my bike, and I am sure she has 
 never seen English roadster. I think I know who her father is, and if I am 
 correct he rides a very new Trek Madone. We will see what they say about my 
 new Hunqapillar, it should be at the coffee shop next week.  Bob 
  

 
Just today on a ride to a coffee cafe (yeah that must be a theme with this 
group) that is on the local university campus, I saw massive bike parking 
areas with one hundred or more bikes in each area. Lovely! What I noticed, 
though, was that more than 95% were city/hybrid/cruiser/mountain bikes. I 
had to look really close to find a couple of drop-bar bikes in a group of 
100.
 
I love having been around long enough to see things cycle 'round and 
'round through the decades. Makes me think that I'm actually learning 
something about how the world works.
 
Reid

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[RBW] back to the list and biking on vacation

2012-09-30 Thread Seth Vidal

Hi,

 I had turned off the list while I was on vacation but I had a great
time on vacation in japan. Alas I didn't get take any of my bikes with
me but I had an opportunity to ride a couple of rented bikes and an
afternoon bike tour while I was away. There's little riv-relationship
other than fantastic scenery and location but I wanted to share this
with folks who would appreciate it.

Pictures here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skvidal/sets/72157631625589636/

I took a bike tour from these folks:
http://www.satoyama-cycling.com/

in the gifu prefecture of japan -the town is called hida-furukawa. The
tour ended up going all over the area and took about 4hours. As you
can see from the picture a fairly beautiful location. If anyone
happens to be in the area I'd recommend taking a tour from them. The
tour leader was fantastic and if you're japanese isn't very good,
don't worry, they speak english very well.

We biked up and down the region, refilled our water bottles from the
mouth of a mountain spring and then sat next to a shrine and watched a
storm start to roll into the area. It was kinda great.

if I had one of my own bikes I'm sure it would have been slightly more
comfortable but as it was, it was still pretty great.

thanks,
-sv

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[RBW] Re: Society Finally Catching up to Grant

I really don't care if you chose to wear a helmet, as I've stated.
It's your choice.  If you feel that you're forced to wear a helmet...
because of social pressures, that's your problem.  Please consider my
initial statement, I don't care..

I'll continue to wear mine, end of subject.

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Sep 30, 9:11 pm, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA benzouy...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Since you brought up efficacy, do you have a peer-reviewed article to cite
 regarding this? No, a cracked helmet is not a demonstration of its
 efficacy; prove to yourself by cracking one in your hand and noticing that
 it takes very little force to do it. And no, a bicycle helmet is
 fundamentally different in design and efficacy than motorcycle helmets.

 I'm essentially forced to wear a helmet most of the time even though I
 don't believe in its claimed efficacy because of social pressures. I
 believe helmets save scrapes and bruises but the amount of force it can
 absorb is probably insignificant in a car-bike accident. Furthermore, I'm
 old enough to not succumb to peer pressure. But I don't want to be
 disadvantaged in any way if an accident happens (that a helmet may or may
 not help) and I needed to recoup losses; I don't want to be assigned
 partial blame and lose restitution simply because everyone knows helmets
 save lives.

 Despite the obvious, neurosurgeons are not experts in the analysis of force
 and impact (these would be engineers), and they see a biased sample of
 accidents that can skew their opinion. You wouldn't go to a neurosurgeon if
 you just lightly bang your forehead, would you?

 Finally, this is not a pro- or anti-helmet post. Wear or don't wear a
 helmet; that's entirely your choice and none of my business. But if you
 going to claim this or that to support your stance, you should bring some
 data along for the ride.







 On Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:15:35 PM UTC-7, Jim Cloud wrote:

  Tucson is a Bike Friendly Community and has received a Gold level
  status from the League of American Bicyclists (LAB).  This, obviously,
  didn't prevent the accident that was described in the article from
  occurring.

  Frankly, I could care less if someone chooses to wear a helmet, but
  the justification for not wearing one shouldn't be couched in its
  efficacy in an accident situation.  I think if anyone would like to
  consult their local neurosurgeons for a collective opinion that would
  probably be quite informative.

  Jim Cloud
  Tucson, AZ

  On Sep 30, 7:04 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
   If you read the ny times article it touches on these kind of personal
   stories. The issue is that without taking away the stigma of helmet use
  and
   cyclists as being the other we will never get where Europe is. I fell
   going 35mph and a helmet probably saved me from more harm than I got but
   going down the side of a mountain is not riding to the grocery store.
   Cyclists need to reach a critical mass where drivers and laws that favor
  a
   car based society can make may for a bike friendly environment. Dropping
   the wear a helmet or die mantra is part of this push as I see it.
   On Sep 30, 2012 9:56 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote:

Here's another article the group might find interesting:

   http://azstarnet.com/news/local/josh-brodesky-my-brush-with-death-and...

Note that the street mentioned in this article, Mountain Avenue. is a
specific bike thoroughfare with wide bike lanes and it's regularly
traversed by many cyclists on a daily basis (especially while the
University of Arizona is in session).

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Sep 30, 4:33 pm, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/sunday-review/to-encourage-biking-c...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant needs a Riv in AZ.

Will be interesting to hear the results!

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Phil lugsnst...@gmail.com wrote:

Dreamy Draw area is nice. We have a condo near there. I offered my
Hillborne in an email to Grant a couple of days ago. Got an instant out of
the office reply. Just as well. Keeps me from having to truck a bike into
the bowels of Phoenix.

Phil

On Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:53:41 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

Grant (or anyone heading to the Valley of the Sun): If you have the time,
try to get up to Dreamy Draw Rec. Area. It is an amazing place to hike and
bike in the middle of the urban sprawl. Riding Trail 100 is my favorite
thing to do when visiting family out there:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?**w=64942209@N00q=trail%20100http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=64942209@N00q=trail%20100Have
rode it on a Rockhound, Quickbeam, Bleriot and All-Rounder. I doesn't
get old!

On Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:01:16 AM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote:

Interested to hear how this plays out.

On Sep 25, 5:44 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
http://rivbike.tumblr.com/

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Drop Bar Suggestions?

Nitto Dirt Drops if you can find them. Someone posted that Merry Sales
stocks them???

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:57 PM, reynoldslugs be...@perrylaw.net wrote:

 Salsa Bell Laps. If they were made in silver instead of black , they'd be
 my version of the perfect drop bar.
 Max

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