Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Based on the ride pic, the bike is set up perfect for that area! Great that you tinkered and found a set up that does a turnaround on your feelings for the bike. Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: Great report! Glad to hear you found a happy medium :) On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Avery Wilson avewil...@gmail.com wrote: So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker with the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well! I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete cockpit with a DirtDrop stem. Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5 or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever. I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride today - 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after church. The bike is completely transformed! I just felt faster, quicker, more in control.. it was great. How does a bike feel more responsive at the pedals based on cockpit alone? So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10, so those inches had to come from my torso. So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just seem to work really well for me. If I get tired of the slightly weird look of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :) Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30 previously. Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to the next level.. :) I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading away.. cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it! Link to photo below of current setup. Current Bike Setuphttps://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682203014/ Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann! Ride Photo.https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682212644/in/photostream/ I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack, dirt, and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it. Avery in Indianapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What's involved switching to road levers?
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 7:55:11 PM UTC-6, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: Do you have V-brakes or cantilevers? If the former, you'll need the V-brake specific road levers or use something like a Travel Agent. If the former, you're good to go with the non-aero levers. Cantis, so I'm set with the levers. Thanks! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Fantastic! I'm delighted to hear it. I've been amazed how big a difference just changing things around with height/tilt and placement of shifters/levers with my Albatross bars made, so I can only imagine what the Albastache bars do. There is wonder and beauty in matching the cockpit to rider and riding. Enjoy the ride! With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, April 6, 2014 7:35:03 PM UTC-6, Avery Wilson wrote: So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker with the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well! I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete cockpit with a DirtDrop stem. Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5 or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever. I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride today - 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after church. The bike is completely transformed! I just felt faster, quicker, more in control.. it was great. How does a bike feel more responsive at the pedals based on cockpit alone? So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10, so those inches had to come from my torso. So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just seem to work really well for me. If I get tired of the slightly weird look of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :) Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30 previously. Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to the next level.. :) I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading away.. cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it! Link to photo below of current setup. Current Bike Setuphttps://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682203014/ Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann! Ride Photo.https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682212644/in/photostream/ I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack, dirt, and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it. Avery in Indianapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What's involved switching to road levers?
Patrick, Are you going to use Dia-Compe levers? Dia-Compe 204 levers require special shaped ferrules, which look like this: http://www.cb-asahi.co.jp/item/02/00/item1050352.html Or you can buy this adjuster and use it on 204 levers: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/parts/dia-compe-cable-adjuster-for-gc202-and-dc204-levers.html If you buy Gran Compe 202 levers, they are equipped with above adjusters, so you don't need to buy additional parts. Good luck! Takashi 2014年4月7日月曜日 4時23分37秒 UTC+9 Deacon Patrick: I am assessing if this is a job I can do or if I need to take it to my LBS. I will be switching from mountain brake levers to road non-aero levers for my albastache bars. I’m good for swapping everything else, but don’t know what’s involved with the levers. Do I need to change cable? Can I just pop the cable out one and into the other? Or do I have to cut and replace bits? With abandon, Patrick *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org* *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What does rollerblading in slow motion have to do with Rivendell and riding?
Esteban, Thank you for sharing the video. One of the stories from Karel Capek's Tales From the Other Pocket came to my mind when Slomo mentioned about start a whole new life, be another person. Eunice, Thank you for sharing your story. Although I had conversations with Seth only via internet, I miss Seth very much. I hope that you are getting over your sadness. Takashi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Nanoreview, Barlow Pass 700x38C on Dyad
Thanks 1974 Super Touer. Frame took 45mm fenders and 38mm tires with no special mods or hacks. Crazy! On Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:22:28 PM UTC-4, Mike Schiller wrote: oh man! that Raleigh is tight. My favorite color. Love to have one of those. ~mike Carlsbad Ca. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:16:16 PM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote: http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k292/bylar13/Mobile%20Uploads/6D5E5CA7-9D38-4E6A-BBBE-B1761EE72D5A_zpsgwpwtmbv.jpg Mine measure Just shy of 37mm ay install on VO Raid rims. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What's involved switching to road levers?
I am unsure, Takashi. Here are photos: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e3d22g6jtRs/U0Khorm8xNI/Aeo/dLkdrOIcMPU/s3200/IMG_4040.jpg https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_rWUwiNKqcg/U0Khzhk9F3I/Aew/aZF-u2kDZm0/s3200/IMG_4041.JPG On Monday, April 7, 2014 2:28:16 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote: Patrick, Are you going to use Dia-Compe levers? Dia-Compe 204 levers require special shaped ferrules, which look like this: http://www.cb-asahi.co.jp/item/02/00/item1050352.html Or you can buy this adjuster and use it on 204 levers: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/parts/dia-compe-cable-adjuster-for-gc202-and-dc204-levers.html If you buy Gran Compe 202 levers, they are equipped with above adjusters, so you don't need to buy additional parts. Good luck! Takashi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
I'm 5'10.999 with a 88 PBH and that's a very close to my SH cockpit. I am running 46 noodles on a 10 cm Dirt Drop with TRP aero levers and Tektro Interrupters. I think I have five favorite hand positions with that setup. I wrapped clothe tape over cork on the whole bar and I'm happy I did. Originally I was only gonna do the flats but I find myself on the drops, A LOT. I used to have 46 noodles on my surly with a +17 stem and only rode the flats and ramps. I have alba's on my Cross Check now and feel good but don't venture far from the bar ends. I guess I'm trying to say don't mess with a good thing. I think the aesthetic of the rise on the DD looks better with the upslope of the TTs. Plus, it looks like you are doing some trail riding so I don't think you'll regret a stem that's a bit more over built. You can find pics of my Sam somewhere on the list or Flicka. Fair winds, Captain Conway -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What's involved switching to road levers?
Oh, they are not Dia-Compe. It seems that they don't require special ferrules, but I am not sure. Sorry. Takashi 2014年4月7日月曜日 22時02分49秒 UTC+9 Deacon Patrick: I am unsure, Takashi. Here are photos: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e3d22g6jtRs/U0Khorm8xNI/Aeo/dLkdrOIcMPU/s3200/IMG_4040.jpg https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_rWUwiNKqcg/U0Khzhk9F3I/Aew/aZF-u2kDZm0/s3200/IMG_4041.JPG On Monday, April 7, 2014 2:28:16 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote: Patrick, Are you going to use Dia-Compe levers? Dia-Compe 204 levers require special shaped ferrules, which look like this: http://www.cb-asahi.co.jp/item/02/00/item1050352.html Or you can buy this adjuster and use it on 204 levers: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/parts/dia-compe-cable-adjuster-for-gc202-and-dc204-levers.html If you buy Gran Compe 202 levers, they are equipped with above adjusters, so you don't need to buy additional parts. Good luck! Takashi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What's involved switching to road levers?
Dia-Compe is stamped into the lever and each side of the gum hood. Glad to hear the ferrules will work. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 7:44:05 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote: Oh, they are not Dia-Compe. It seems that they don't require special ferrules, but I am not sure. Sorry. Takashi 2014年4月7日月曜日 22時02分49秒 UTC+9 Deacon Patrick: I am unsure, Takashi. Here are photos: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e3d22g6jtRs/U0Khorm8xNI/Aeo/dLkdrOIcMPU/s3200/IMG_4040.jpg https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_rWUwiNKqcg/U0Khzhk9F3I/Aew/aZF-u2kDZm0/s3200/IMG_4041.JPG On Monday, April 7, 2014 2:28:16 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote: Patrick, Are you going to use Dia-Compe levers? Dia-Compe 204 levers require special shaped ferrules, which look like this: http://www.cb-asahi.co.jp/item/02/00/item1050352.html Or you can buy this adjuster and use it on 204 levers: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/parts/dia-compe-cable-adjuster-for-gc202-and-dc204-levers.html If you buy Gran Compe 202 levers, they are equipped with above adjusters, so you don't need to buy additional parts. Good luck! Takashi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Hi Avery, Looks great, feels great... enjoy the ride! Looks like nice trails to explore. Happy spring! shoji On Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:35:03 PM UTC-4, Avery Wilson wrote: So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker with the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well! I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete cockpit with a DirtDrop stem. Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5 or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever. I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride today - 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after church. The bike is completely transformed! I just felt faster, quicker, more in control.. it was great. How does a bike feel more responsive at the pedals based on cockpit alone? So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10, so those inches had to come from my torso. So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just seem to work really well for me. If I get tired of the slightly weird look of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :) Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30 previously. Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to the next level.. :) I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading away.. cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it! Link to photo below of current setup. Current Bike Setuphttps://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682203014/ Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann! Ride Photo.https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682212644/in/photostream/ I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack, dirt, and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it. Avery in Indianapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar touch up paint
Can't help on the red (mine is orange) but Valspar Cobalt Cannon matches the grey perfectly. Good luck. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FgrGcWi_QbA/UhUhF5wapMI/EaA/25g2w5RDVCY/s320/IMG_0769.JPG Marc On Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:23:49 PM UTC-4, Marcus80 wrote: I just bought a new to me Hunqapillar to compliment my Homer Hilsen. Its one of the gray and red models and I was wondering if anyone knows of a close match to the red color. Thanks in advance for you attention. I've been a lurker here for ages and really appreciate all the good info. Mark Adey -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar touch up paint
Nail polish or model paint? On Monday, April 7, 2014 8:43:18 AM UTC-6, Marc Irwin wrote: Can't help on the red (mine is orange) but Valspar Cobalt Cannon matches the grey perfectly. Good luck. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FgrGcWi_QbA/UhUhF5wapMI/EaA/25g2w5RDVCY/s320/IMG_0769.JPG Marc On Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:23:49 PM UTC-4, Marcus80 wrote: I just bought a new to me Hunqapillar to compliment my Homer Hilsen. Its one of the gray and red models and I was wondering if anyone knows of a close match to the red color. Thanks in advance for you attention. I've been a lurker here for ages and really appreciate all the good info. Mark Adey -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What's involved switching to road levers?
I have very similar ones (the royal gran compe) and regular ferrules work just fine. Mine are the wheels mfg. brass ones. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:47 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Dia-Compe is stamped into the lever and each side of the gum hood. Glad to hear the ferrules will work. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 7:44:05 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote: Oh, they are not Dia-Compe. It seems that they don't require special ferrules, but I am not sure. Sorry. Takashi 2014年4月7日月曜日 22時02分49秒 UTC+9 Deacon Patrick: I am unsure, Takashi. Here are photos: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-e3d22g6jtRs/U0Khorm8xNI/Aeo/dLkdrOIcMPU/s3200/IMG_4040.jpg https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_rWUwiNKqcg/U0Khzhk9F3I/Aew/aZF-u2kDZm0/s3200/IMG_4041.JPG On Monday, April 7, 2014 2:28:16 AM UTC-6, Takashi wrote: Patrick, Are you going to use Dia-Compe levers? Dia-Compe 204 levers require special shaped ferrules, which look like this: http://www.cb-asahi.co.jp/item/02/00/item1050352.html Or you can buy this adjuster and use it on 204 levers: http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/ parts/dia-compe-cable-adjuster-for-gc202-and-dc204-levers.html If you buy Gran Compe 202 levers, they are equipped with above adjusters, so you don't need to buy additional parts. Good luck! Takashi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
I have the grand bois cyprès 32 on my 58 orange Rambouillet. I've done a couple of 200k rides, a few shorter weekend rides, and commuted for a few months. So far, no flats. I like the ride a lot. So far, my favorite bike I've ever owned, but I'm not a performance cyclist. Michael Allen On Friday, April 4, 2014 10:44:27 AM UTC-7, Jeff Ong wrote: So, I've got a lot of bikes and zero cars. Only two are conventional road type bikes (a 2004 Merlin Fortius and an '84 Nobillette). Many are mountain bikes, and my daily rider/commuter is a 1995 Voodoo Bizango that I've added rack/fender eyelets to, converted to drops and 2 inch Schwalbe Marathons, and basically made into a sort of Atlantis type ride. About a year ago, I bought a secondhand (or third- or fourth-hand, who knows?) Rambouillet (from the first run of framesets, in pearl orange). My idea was to have a sporty road/light tourer with fenders, since I live in Portland, where it drizzles seven months of the year. I built this up with a pretty Riv-like collection of stuff -- a VO triple crankset, platform pedals, some nice wheels and Pasela 28s, Shimano 9-speed bar end shifters, bars a bit above saddle height, etc. It's super pretty, everyone oohs and ahs over it, etc. The problem is, I kind of hate riding it. It just steers like a pig, wallowing through turns, and it feels super slow to accelerate. I get terrible pedal strike unless I coast around every turn. I've really tried to get used to the ride, but I always find myself getting angry when I'm out on the bike... like hurry up, man! come on! I'm a decent enough mechanic to know that there isn't anything mechanically wrong. I do think this bike is bigger on me than I generally ride -- I'm 6' tall and this is a 58cm, and generally I ride smaller than that, although it's difficult to compare compact frames against this more traditional geometry. The bike isn't super light (27 lbs or so with fenders and racks), but many of my bikes are around that weight or heavier. Am I just not cut out for Riv-type geometry? Is it poorly fit to me? Is there something about the Rambouillet that just makes it slow-steering and ponderous? I would love to swap out this frameset with something livelier and more fun to ride (but that can still take racks and fenders with 28mm tires), and I'm just hoping to not make the same mistake. Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar touch up paint
Did you shoot the Valspar onto the fender? If so what kind of prepwork did you do? On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Marc Irwin irwin7...@gmail.com wrote: Can't help on the red (mine is orange) but Valspar Cobalt Cannon matches the grey perfectly. Good luck. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FgrGcWi_QbA/UhUhF5wapMI/EaA/25g2w5RDVCY/s320/IMG_0769.JPG Marc On Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:23:49 PM UTC-4, Marcus80 wrote: I just bought a new to me Hunqapillar to compliment my Homer Hilsen. Its one of the gray and red models and I was wondering if anyone knows of a close match to the red color. Thanks in advance for you attention. I've been a lurker here for ages and really appreciate all the good info. Mark Adey -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Nitto Big Front Rack~ Installing without P-Clamps?
I want to install my Nitto Big Front Rack to my Atlantis but I'd like to avoid using P-Clamps. My fork has mid-fork eyelets so could I use a strut from the eyelets secure them to a Nitto rack nut? Sort of like this: http://www.rivbike.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/20-187f.jpeg Any suggestions? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Nitto Big Front Rack~ Installing without P-Clamps?
The answer is yes. https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/9406237330/in/photolist-7GfyLT-miXu7K-fjtt4b-fjF7zw-8Q5skB-8Q5sFc-g66fPd-fkcpYj-7GfzpV-fkcqDG-dZa5Fr-kKFuHg-haGEzj On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Eric ericwolfo...@gmail.com wrote: I want to install my Nitto Big Front Rack to my Atlantis but I'd like to avoid using P-Clamps. My fork has mid-fork eyelets so could I use a strut from the eyelets secure them to a Nitto rack nut? Sort of like this: http://www.rivbike.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/20-187f.jpeg Any suggestions? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Nitto Big Front Rack~ Installing without P-Clamps?
Do a little searching on the group, this comes up every few months. I think Christopher's way is the most elegant i've seen. I was able to do it without p-clamps or struts with my SH, but i also have very little clearance to the canti-bolts... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] 1971 Hetchins Spyder For Sale - $1800
You may have better luck selling on the bikeforums.net classic and vintage sales section. There is a large following there. http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage-sales/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Wanted: Brand V BoxyBar bag or similar hbar bag that doesn't require a rack
I'm looking for a boxy-type hbar bag that doesn't require a rack or decaleur. Main requirement is that it's fairly flat on top, capable of having a map holder clipped to it. The Brand V BoxyBar Bag seems to fit the bill perfectly. I thought I'd inquire on the list first to see if anyone had an unwanted one, or similar bag, they'd be willing to sell. Let me know off-list. Anton -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Old-Timey Video
My latest video will only take 47 seconds of your time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6apij1G1uUlist=UUccfA4NuyWU3-YaUf9LkNwAfeature=share Riv content: Riding lugged steel, sitting on leather, cruising on 32mm tires. P.S. Filmed with my new Garmin Virb, which I'm liking very much so far. --Eric N campyonly...@me.com Web: www.campyonly.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy Blog: campyonlyguy.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Platrack Slickersack Combo $225
Hey all - Clearing out some stuff. I have a platrack and slickersack combo for sale. Let's say $225 shipped. Both have been used, slicker sack in excellent condition. It has the world-famous Andy Schmidt Custom mod, which is explained here: https://plus.google.com/photos/113148323994353762329/albums/5732163361477605809?banner=pwa Platrack has a bent strut. There was a bike crash in my apartment, hunq fell on side and bent strut. So you can live with the bent strut, as I have, or order a pair from Riv to replace the bent one, and have an extra on hand in case your bike of choice happens to be crashed in your apartment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] WTB: Nitto Big Front Rack
The big one. I also have a Nitto Mini Front rack, and the platrack/slickersack combo, open to some sort of trade if that floats your boat. let me know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto Big Front Rack
I am so proud of you. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: The big one. I also have a Nitto Mini Front rack, and the platrack/slickersack combo, open to some sort of trade if that floats your boat. let me know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Big Front Rack
i learned it from you, chris. i learned it from watching you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Velcro Cable ties for wald basket
guys, i have to thank you for this reminder. i had a basket i didn't want to secure permanently with zip-ties, and had some velcro ties in the drawer. was dubious that it would be secure enough, but just a few enough and it's on their tight! great for being able to move the basket between bikes or when i want to use panniers or no panniers. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 5:03:27 PM UTC-4, DS wrote: Just a quick recommendation on another way to secure a wald basket to a rack: velcro cable ties. You can get 100 of them for $7 on amazon, and they're very useful for other things like replacing buckles on rando bag and like, oh i don't know...wrapping all your cables together ;) I tried to google if anyone was doing this before I bought the basket, because I really didn't want to have to use zip ties since I wanted the ability to put on and remove the basket easily depending on the ride. I saw a few posts here mention it, but wanted to spread the gospel a little more. Works like a charm. On the other hand, a little more advice for anyone else like myself with little to no foresight, a medium wald basket on a nitto front rack will not with with sti shifters and drop bars. the basket gets in the way of the shifter. good excuse to go bar end friction mode which i've been thinking about anyway -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Big Front Rack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5XakEKSIaM On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote: i learned it from you, chris. i learned it from watching you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Nitto Big Front Rack~ Installing without P-Clamps?
What Chris said. Works really well. On Monday, April 7, 2014 9:35:59 AM UTC-7, Eric wrote: I want to install my Nitto Big Front Rack to my Atlantis but I'd like to avoid using P-Clamps. My fork has mid-fork eyelets so could I use a strut from the eyelets secure them to a Nitto rack nut? Sort of like this: http://www.rivbike.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/20-187f.jpeg Any suggestions? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] ANCIENNE PAIRE DE GARDE BOUESRADIUS POUR RANDONNEUR RENE HERSE -VELO ANCIEN
Any other 650B afficionados out there looking for classic fenders? End time: Apr 8, 2014, 10:44:12 AM PDT View item: ANCIENNE PAIRE DE GARDE BOUESRADIUS POUR RANDONNEUR RENE HERSE -VELO ANCIEN Eric N www.CampyOnly.com CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Yep, Capt. Conway - I'm about an inch shorter than you with the same PBH, and I'm running the 8cm dirt drop stem, so just a bit less reach than yours. I suppose it stands to reason that it would work! Our bikes are almost identical in terms of cockpit, reach, even parts! I did just receive the 700x38 Barlow Pass tires today. I'll mount then tomorrow and hopefully ride soon! That should give me the remaining tad bit of satisfaction I'm seeking from my bike.. (if they're as good as people say they are). Quick tire question - I got the standard casing, not the extra light, because I weigh 200, so combined weight is about 235-250 or so. Good move? Also what should tire pressure be? Thanks, Avery in Indy On Apr 7, 2014 9:52 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avery, Looks great, feels great... enjoy the ride! Looks like nice trails to explore. Happy spring! shoji On Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:35:03 PM UTC-4, Avery Wilson wrote: So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker with the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well! I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete cockpit with a DirtDrop stem. Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5 or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever. I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride today - 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after church. The bike is completely transformed! I just felt faster, quicker, more in control.. it was great. How does a bike feel more responsive at the pedals based on cockpit alone? So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10, so those inches had to come from my torso. So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just seem to work really well for me. If I get tired of the slightly weird look of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :) Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30 previously. Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to the next level.. :) I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading away.. cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it! Link to photo below of current setup. Current Bike Setuphttps://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682203014/ Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann! Ride Photo.https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682212644/in/photostream/ I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack, dirt, and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it. Avery in Indianapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/-durk-1N_FU/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Nitto Big Front Rack~ Installing without P-Clamps?
Like Christopher's but on a Hunqapillar: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/9066200841/ On Monday, April 7, 2014 12:35:59 PM UTC-4, Eric wrote: I want to install my Nitto Big Front Rack to my Atlantis but I'd like to avoid using P-Clamps. My fork has mid-fork eyelets so could I use a strut from the eyelets secure them to a Nitto rack nut? Sort of like this: http://www.rivbike.com/v/vspfiles/assets/images/20-187f.jpeg Any suggestions? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Platrack Slickersack Combo $225
Fabric? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
I ride 650 x 38mm GB Lierres, and I weigh 220 lbs. I have good luck with those tires (standard casing, no EL available in that size at the time) I used the Tire Pressure Calculatorhttp://www.dorkypantsr.us/bike-tire-pressure-calculator.html and it gives me 55 psi front/65 psi rear. Since you're a bit lighter but on the same volume casing, maybe start with 50 psi front/60 psi rear? Tim Quick tire question - I got the standard casing, not the extra light, because I weigh 200, so combined weight is about 235-250 or so. Good move? Also what should tire pressure be? Thanks, Avery in Indy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
search for berto tire pressure and you'll find plenty of graphs, articles, etc. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Avery E Wilson avewil...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, Capt. Conway - I'm about an inch shorter than you with the same PBH, and I'm running the 8cm dirt drop stem, so just a bit less reach than yours. I suppose it stands to reason that it would work! Our bikes are almost identical in terms of cockpit, reach, even parts! I did just receive the 700x38 Barlow Pass tires today. I'll mount then tomorrow and hopefully ride soon! That should give me the remaining tad bit of satisfaction I'm seeking from my bike.. (if they're as good as people say they are). Quick tire question - I got the standard casing, not the extra light, because I weigh 200, so combined weight is about 235-250 or so. Good move? Also what should tire pressure be? Thanks, Avery in Indy On Apr 7, 2014 9:52 AM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Avery, Looks great, feels great... enjoy the ride! Looks like nice trails to explore. Happy spring! shoji On Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:35:03 PM UTC-4, Avery Wilson wrote: So I took some advice from you guys on this list and decided to tinker with the Sam Hillborne over the weekend.. and ride as well! I took off the Albatross bars, along with their 10cm Tallux Stem and swapped in a pair of 46cm Noodles that I already had built up as a complete cockpit with a DirtDrop stem. Took it out for a ride on Saturday, just 5 or 6 miles, and had just loved it. First time I'd felt good on drops. Ever. I didn't want to get too excited, so I took it for a much longer ride today - 30-35 miles perhaps, broken up into two parts, before and after church. The bike is completely transformed! I just felt faster, quicker, more in control.. it was great. How does a bike feel more responsive at the pedals based on cockpit alone? So I know that the DirtDrop stem seems real short, and it looks a little funny, but I've come to realize that I have the PBH (88) of a man 6' or taller. Trouble is, I'm only 5'10, so those inches had to come from my torso. So, my tall seatpost and short dirtdrop stemmed Noodle cockpit just seem to work really well for me. If I get tired of the slightly weird look of the dirtdrop, and want to rewrap the bars sometime, I'll get a 7cm Tallux. Or something. Or just be happy :) Also I inflated the Resist Nomad 700x45c tires up to 50psi rear 40psi front, and that make the bike feel quite a bit quicker. They were at 40/30 previously. Now I'm awaiting my 700x38 Barlow Pass tires to show up from Compass sometime this week and hopefully take the feel from the tires to the next level.. :) I think the ills I felt toward my bike earlier this week are fading away.. cockpit swap, and next a tire swap will do it! Link to photo below of current setup. Current Bike Setuphttps://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682203014/ Here's a picture from the ride today, with fellow list member and new Riv A. Homer Hilsen owner Michael Fleischmann! Ride Photo.https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/13682212644/in/photostream/ I still find it amazing that these bikes are at home on singletrack, dirt, and gravel as much as they are on a smooth road. Love it. Avery in Indianapolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/-durk-1N_FU/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- I want the kind of six pack you can't drink. -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Chincoteague NWR
We finally got out of snowy and now muddy Vt. (we live 3 miles down a dirt road) to kick off the cycling season in Virginia. Yesterday was sunny with temps in the upper 50s. We got in 25-30 miles of liesurly peddling around Assateague and Chincoteague Islands. Here's a few pictures. https://www.flickr.com/photos/25287678@N08/13701193315/in/set-72157643603765673/ The reserve is really well managed and in addition to the famous herd of wild ponies there's a great variety of water birds.. Beautiful sea shore, but much too windy to enjoy sitting around. Wetlands and woodlands. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Velcro Cable ties for wald basket
glad it helped! I was able to do it pretty securely with just 4 cable ties, initially wrapping it tight around both the basket and rack once, and then over to grab another bar on the basket, so essentially each velcro strap was across two bars on the basket and one bar on the rack, that makes any sense. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: guys, i have to thank you for this reminder. i had a basket i didn't want to secure permanently with zip-ties, and had some velcro ties in the drawer. was dubious that it would be secure enough, but just a few enough and it's on their tight! great for being able to move the basket between bikes or when i want to use panniers or no panniers. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 5:03:27 PM UTC-4, DS wrote: Just a quick recommendation on another way to secure a wald basket to a rack: velcro cable ties. You can get 100 of them for $7 on amazon, and they're very useful for other things like replacing buckles on rando bag and like, oh i don't know...wrapping all your cables together ;) I tried to google if anyone was doing this before I bought the basket, because I really didn't want to have to use zip ties since I wanted the ability to put on and remove the basket easily depending on the ride. I saw a few posts here mention it, but wanted to spread the gospel a little more. Works like a charm. On the other hand, a little more advice for anyone else like myself with little to no foresight, a medium wald basket on a nitto front rack will not with with sti shifters and drop bars. the basket gets in the way of the shifter. good excuse to go bar end friction mode which i've been thinking about anyway -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/l5xKptc8nT0/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Chincoteague NWR
Fantastic, Michael. Our lassies (and we) love the Misty of Chincoteague book series: http://www.amazon.com/Misty-Chincoteague-Marguerite-Henry/dp/1416927832 Wonderful to see it in photos! What were you riding on? Dirt? Sand? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 2:46:34 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote: We finally got out of snowy and now muddy Vt. (we live 3 miles down a dirt road) to kick off the cycling season in Virginia. Yesterday was sunny with temps in the upper 50s. We got in 25-30 miles of liesurly peddling around Assateague and Chincoteague Islands. Here's a few pictures. https://www.flickr.com/photos/25287678@N08/13701193315/in/set-72157643603765673/ The reserve is really well managed and in addition to the famous herd of wild ponies there's a great variety of water birds.. Beautiful sea shore, but much too windy to enjoy sitting around. Wetlands and woodlands. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Chincoteague NWR
Actually all the bike paths in the reserve are paved. Hiking trails are dirt and sand. On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:57:33 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: Fantastic, Michael. Our lassies (and we) love the Misty of Chincoteague book series: http://www.amazon.com/Misty-Chincoteague-Marguerite-Henry/dp/1416927832 Wonderful to see it in photos! What were you riding on? Dirt? Sand? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 2:46:34 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote: We finally got out of snowy and now muddy Vt. (we live 3 miles down a dirt road) to kick off the cycling season in Virginia. Yesterday was sunny with temps in the upper 50s. We got in 25-30 miles of liesurly peddling around Assateague and Chincoteague Islands. Here's a few pictures. https://www.flickr.com/photos/25287678@N08/13701193315/in/set-72157643603765673/ The reserve is really well managed and in addition to the famous herd of wild ponies there's a great variety of water birds.. Beautiful sea shore, but much too windy to enjoy sitting around. Wetlands and woodlands. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] FS: Platrack Slickersack Combo $225
Forgot there were multiple options. Olive / green slicker sack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Chincoteague NWR
Great to know should we ever make it out that way. Thanks. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 3:06:20 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote: Actually all the bike paths in the reserve are paved. Hiking trails are dirt and sand. On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:57:33 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote: Fantastic, Michael. Our lassies (and we) love the Misty of Chincoteague book series: http://www.amazon.com/Misty-Chincoteague-Marguerite-Henry/dp/1416927832 Wonderful to see it in photos! What were you riding on? Dirt? Sand? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 2:46:34 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote: We finally got out of snowy and now muddy Vt. (we live 3 miles down a dirt road) to kick off the cycling season in Virginia. Yesterday was sunny with temps in the upper 50s. We got in 25-30 miles of liesurly peddling around Assateague and Chincoteague Islands. Here's a few pictures. https://www.flickr.com/photos/25287678@N08/13701193315/in/set-72157643603765673/ The reserve is really well managed and in addition to the famous herd of wild ponies there's a great variety of water birds.. Beautiful sea shore, but much too windy to enjoy sitting around. Wetlands and woodlands. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
I've been reading through the threads on this post since it was started last Friday and finally decided that I'd better get out my '04 Ram to see if maybe I've been missing something. I haven't been on it all Winter so I figured it would be like a new test. So I rode it today and for the life of me I can't see any of the same problems being discussed here (except maybe the pedal strikes which may be lessened by lower profile pedals). Mine is a 54cm shod with 32mm Paselas (standard, not TG's). Maybe the larger 58cm frame makes a difference? Maybe the headset or its adjustment? Dunno. But, yes it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person. On Sunday, April 6, 2014 5:55:17 PM UTC-5, Jeff Ong wrote: OK, you guys talked me into trying a different set of tires before I boot this frameset to the curb. I did tour on the Paselas (on an old Trek 520) and found them both amazingly flat-resistant and super boring to ride, so I'm willing to buy that they could be making the Ram handle like a Trek Navigator. I've been planning on trying either a Compass or Grand Bois tire, but I'm nervous about flatting way too often. I am already the most flat-prone guy I know (riding 23s doesn't help, of course), and I've heard mixed things about these tires. I do know how much difference a decent tire can make, though. Thanks for all the thorough and thoughtful responses -- really great feedback. I appreciate it. - Jeff On Friday, April 4, 2014 10:44:27 AM UTC-7, Jeff Ong wrote: So, I've got a lot of bikes and zero cars. Only two are conventional road type bikes (a 2004 Merlin Fortius and an '84 Nobillette). Many are mountain bikes, and my daily rider/commuter is a 1995 Voodoo Bizango that I've added rack/fender eyelets to, converted to drops and 2 inch Schwalbe Marathons, and basically made into a sort of Atlantis type ride. About a year ago, I bought a secondhand (or third- or fourth-hand, who knows?) Rambouillet (from the first run of framesets, in pearl orange). My idea was to have a sporty road/light tourer with fenders, since I live in Portland, where it drizzles seven months of the year. I built this up with a pretty Riv-like collection of stuff -- a VO triple crankset, platform pedals, some nice wheels and Pasela 28s, Shimano 9-speed bar end shifters, bars a bit above saddle height, etc. It's super pretty, everyone oohs and ahs over it, etc. The problem is, I kind of hate riding it. It just steers like a pig, wallowing through turns, and it feels super slow to accelerate. I get terrible pedal strike unless I coast around every turn. I've really tried to get used to the ride, but I always find myself getting angry when I'm out on the bike... like hurry up, man! come on! I'm a decent enough mechanic to know that there isn't anything mechanically wrong. I do think this bike is bigger on me than I generally ride -- I'm 6' tall and this is a 58cm, and generally I ride smaller than that, although it's difficult to compare compact frames against this more traditional geometry. The bike isn't super light (27 lbs or so with fenders and racks), but many of my bikes are around that weight or heavier. Am I just not cut out for Riv-type geometry? Is it poorly fit to me? Is there something about the Rambouillet that just makes it slow-steering and ponderous? I would love to swap out this frameset with something livelier and more fun to ride (but that can still take racks and fenders with 28mm tires), and I'm just hoping to not make the same mistake. Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Chincoteague NWR
Visited Chincoteague when I was a kid; mom took a photo of some fishing boats, ended up winning a local photography contest with it; and I got to ride on Stormy (Misty's foal, but was an old horse by then, and that was, 30 years ago?) We end up trekking to Ocracoke annually, another coastal town which also has some 'wild' horses, etc. On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:46:34 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote: We finally got out of snowy and now muddy Vt. (we live 3 miles down a dirt road) to kick off the cycling season in Virginia. Yesterday was sunny with temps in the upper 50s. We got in 25-30 miles of liesurly peddling around Assateague and Chincoteague Islands. Here's a few pictures. https://www.flickr.com/photos/25287678@N08/13701193315/in/set-72157643603765673/ The reserve is really well managed and in addition to the famous herd of wild ponies there's a great variety of water birds.. Beautiful sea shore, but much too windy to enjoy sitting around. Wetlands and woodlands. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
George: the OP's -- or OPs' -- negative perception of the Ram is entirely a personal matter. (For the record, it is also entirely legitimate.) What is in question is very obviously NOT a collection of Ram qualities alone, but a collection of experiences that certain riders have of their Rams. Or perhaps more precisely, we are discussing the relationship between certain riders and their Rams. Tires have been mentioned as one variable. There are probably an indefinite number of others, among which is a subset consisting of the many ways in which a rider's build, pedaling style, gearing choices, cockpit and saddle setup, and so on, affect the efficiency with which he can interact with the bike, and, in addition, the way the bike feels when he is interacting with it. I' guessing, but I am no merely groping in the dark, since I've at least started to see patterns in the relationship between planing and the characteristics of those who experience it. One is pedaling style. Someone with a mashing pedaling style may well be less prone to benefit from a light-tubed frame; he may not be able to experience planing and may well find that a given stout-tubed bike performs very well. Someone who pedals fast in low gears may well find that same bike dead feeling. Another possibility: geometry and setup in relation to a rider's build and pedaling style. Again, no hard data but enough data to raise legitimate suspicions. Me, I find my blue-category Ram perfectly normal. It's not the fastest feeling bike I own, but it's not by any means the slowest. My erstwhile Sam Hill felt more sluggish even with Jack Brown Greens (and the SH's feeling was well within normal by my experience and standards -- just not what I'd choose as a fast road bike. I sold it for wholly other reasons, not the lack of spriteliness). Likewise, the Fargo shod with 35 mm Kojaks felt considerably less spritely than the Ram shod with the very same pair. Of which speaking: can anyone tell me the particular specs of the tubing for a 1973 Motobecane Grande Record? I know it is light 531, but what gauge and butts? I ask because of all the bikes I've owned in the last 5-6 years, this had the lightest frame of any bike that I've owned (frameset considerably lighter by heft, anyway, than either of my 2 remaining Riv customs), but I didn't experience any particular feeling of speed with it (granted there are all sorts of other factors here), while a stout tubed and very definitely heavier Herse that others had found sluggish (I think I am accurate with that qualifier) felt, to me, particularly spritely. Oh my, all of this hurts my little head. Patrick Moore, fighting spring headwinds and wishing dead-feeling frames were his only obstacle in ABQ, NM. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been reading through the threads on this post since it was started last Friday and finally decided that I'd better get out my '04 Ram to see if maybe I've been missing something. I haven't been on it all Winter so I figured it would be like a new test. So I rode it today and for the life of me I can't see any of the same problems being discussed here (except maybe the pedal strikes which may be lessened by lower profile pedals). Mine is a 54cm shod with 32mm Paselas (standard, not TG's). Maybe the larger 58cm frame makes a difference? Maybe the headset or its adjustment? Dunno. But, yes it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
My '73 Motobecane Grand Record (which is, come to think of it, eerily similar to the one Patrick used to own) feels plenty fast and lively to me. Switching from Paselas (700x25) to the new Compass Stampede Pass tires (700x32) made a big difference--much more comfortable and responsive-feeling. P.S. Because I noted the other day on this list that I hadn't had a flat yet with the Stampede Pass tires, I got a flat this weekend. However, the (rear) tire was nice enough to start going soft only a few blocks from home. A less quality tire would have flatted 25 miles from home. --Eric N campyonly...@me.com Web: www.campyonly.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy Blog: campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: George: the OP's -- or OPs' -- negative perception of the Ram is entirely a personal matter. (For the record, it is also entirely legitimate.) What is in question is very obviously NOT a collection of Ram qualities alone, but a collection of experiences that certain riders have of their Rams. Or perhaps more precisely, we are discussing the relationship between certain riders and their Rams. Tires have been mentioned as one variable. There are probably an indefinite number of others, among which is a subset consisting of the many ways in which a rider's build, pedaling style, gearing choices, cockpit and saddle setup, and so on, affect the efficiency with which he can interact with the bike, and, in addition, the way the bike feels when he is interacting with it. I' guessing, but I am no merely groping in the dark, since I've at least started to see patterns in the relationship between planing and the characteristics of those who experience it. One is pedaling style. Someone with a mashing pedaling style may well be less prone to benefit from a light-tubed frame; he may not be able to experience planing and may well find that a given stout-tubed bike performs very well. Someone who pedals fast in low gears may well find that same bike dead feeling. Another possibility: geometry and setup in relation to a rider's build and pedaling style. Again, no hard data but enough data to raise legitimate suspicions. Me, I find my blue-category Ram perfectly normal. It's not the fastest feeling bike I own, but it's not by any means the slowest. My erstwhile Sam Hill felt more sluggish even with Jack Brown Greens (and the SH's feeling was well within normal by my experience and standards -- just not what I'd choose as a fast road bike. I sold it for wholly other reasons, not the lack of spriteliness). Likewise, the Fargo shod with 35 mm Kojaks felt considerably less spritely than the Ram shod with the very same pair. Of which speaking: can anyone tell me the particular specs of the tubing for a 1973 Motobecane Grande Record? I know it is light 531, but what gauge and butts? I ask because of all the bikes I've owned in the last 5-6 years, this had the lightest frame of any bike that I've owned (frameset considerably lighter by heft, anyway, than either of my 2 remaining Riv customs), but I didn't experience any particular feeling of speed with it (granted there are all sorts of other factors here), while a stout tubed and very definitely heavier Herse that others had found sluggish (I think I am accurate with that qualifier) felt, to me, particularly spritely. Oh my, all of this hurts my little head. Patrick Moore, fighting spring headwinds and wishing dead-feeling frames were his only obstacle in ABQ, NM. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been reading through the threads on this post since it was started last Friday and finally decided that I'd better get out my '04 Ram to see if maybe I've been missing something. I haven't been on it all Winter so I figured it would be like a new test. So I rode it today and for the life of me I can't see any of the same problems being discussed here (except maybe the pedal strikes which may be lessened by lower profile pedals). Mine is a 54cm shod with 32mm Paselas (standard, not TG's). Maybe the larger 58cm frame makes a difference? Maybe the headset or its adjustment? Dunno. But, yes it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
To clarify: this Motobecane (Eric stole it from me) felt fast and lively. My point is that it didn't feel any faster and livelier than other bikes that had oversized and (since they are Rivs) doubtless sturdier tubing. Hell, the Herse I mentioned felt at least as fast with the same IRC Tandem (30 mm labeled, 28-9 mm actual) tires. Of course, I was usually carrying 15 to 40 lb on the back of the Motobecane, so who knows. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: My ’73 Motobecane Grand Record (which is, come to think of it, eerily similar to the one Patrick used to own) feels plenty fast and lively to me. Switching from Paselas (700x25) to the new Compass Stampede Pass tires (700x32) made a big difference—much more comfortable and responsive-feeling. P.S. Because I noted the other day on this list that I hadn’t had a flat yet with the Stampede Pass tires, I got a flat this weekend. However, the (rear) tire was nice enough to start going soft only a few blocks from home. A less quality tire would have flatted 25 miles from home. --Eric N campyonly...@me.com Web: www.campyonly.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy Blog: campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: George: the OP's -- or OPs' -- negative perception of the Ram is entirely a personal matter. (For the record, it is also entirely legitimate.) What is in question is very obviously NOT a collection of Ram qualities alone, but a collection of experiences that certain riders have of their Rams. Or perhaps more precisely, we are discussing the relationship between certain riders and their Rams. Tires have been mentioned as one variable. There are probably an indefinite number of others, among which is a subset consisting of the many ways in which a rider's build, pedaling style, gearing choices, cockpit and saddle setup, and so on, affect the efficiency with which he can interact with the bike, and, in addition, the way the bike feels when he is interacting with it. I' guessing, but I am no merely groping in the dark, since I've at least started to see patterns in the relationship between planing and the characteristics of those who experience it. One is pedaling style. Someone with a mashing pedaling style may well be less prone to benefit from a light-tubed frame; he may not be able to experience planing and may well find that a given stout-tubed bike performs very well. Someone who pedals fast in low gears may well find that same bike dead feeling. Another possibility: geometry and setup in relation to a rider's build and pedaling style. Again, no hard data but enough data to raise legitimate suspicions. Me, I find my blue-category Ram perfectly normal. It's not the fastest feeling bike I own, but it's not by any means the slowest. My erstwhile Sam Hill felt more sluggish even with Jack Brown Greens (and the SH's feeling was well within normal by my experience and standards -- just not what I'd choose as a fast road bike. I sold it for wholly other reasons, not the lack of spriteliness). Likewise, the Fargo shod with 35 mm Kojaks felt considerably less spritely than the Ram shod with the very same pair. Of which speaking: can anyone tell me the particular specs of the tubing for a 1973 Motobecane Grande Record? I know it is light 531, but what gauge and butts? I ask because of all the bikes I've owned in the last 5-6 years, this had the lightest frame of any bike that I've owned (frameset considerably lighter by heft, anyway, than either of my 2 remaining Riv customs), but I didn't experience any particular feeling of speed with it (granted there are all sorts of other factors here), while a stout tubed and very definitely heavier Herse that others had found sluggish (I think I am accurate with that qualifier) felt, to me, particularly spritely. Oh my, all of this hurts my little head. Patrick Moore, fighting spring headwinds and wishing dead-feeling frames were his only obstacle in ABQ, NM. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been reading through the threads on this post since it was started last Friday and finally decided that I'd better get out my '04 Ram to see if maybe I've been missing something. I haven't been on it all Winter so I figured it would be like a new test. So I rode it today and for the life of me I can't see any of the same problems being discussed here (except maybe the pedal strikes which may be lessened by lower profile pedals). Mine is a 54cm shod with 32mm Paselas (standard, not TG's). Maybe the larger 58cm frame makes a difference? Maybe the headset or its adjustment? Dunno. But, yes it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
Patrick: I warned you about leaving your garage door open. --Eric N campyonly...@me.com Web: www.campyonly.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy Blog: campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On Apr 7, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: To clarify: this Motobecane (Eric stole it from me) felt fast and lively. My point is that it didn't feel any faster and livelier than other bikes that had oversized and (since they are Rivs) doubtless sturdier tubing. Hell, the Herse I mentioned felt at least as fast with the same IRC Tandem (30 mm labeled, 28-9 mm actual) tires. Of course, I was usually carrying 15 to 40 lb on the back of the Motobecane, so who knows. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: My '73 Motobecane Grand Record (which is, come to think of it, eerily similar to the one Patrick used to own) feels plenty fast and lively to me. Switching from Paselas (700x25) to the new Compass Stampede Pass tires (700x32) made a big difference--much more comfortable and responsive-feeling. P.S. Because I noted the other day on this list that I hadn't had a flat yet with the Stampede Pass tires, I got a flat this weekend. However, the (rear) tire was nice enough to start going soft only a few blocks from home. A less quality tire would have flatted 25 miles from home. --Eric N campyonly...@me.com Web: www.campyonly.com Twitter: @campyonlyguy Blog: campyonlyguy.blogspot.com On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: George: the OP's -- or OPs' -- negative perception of the Ram is entirely a personal matter. (For the record, it is also entirely legitimate.) What is in question is very obviously NOT a collection of Ram qualities alone, but a collection of experiences that certain riders have of their Rams. Or perhaps more precisely, we are discussing the relationship between certain riders and their Rams. Tires have been mentioned as one variable. There are probably an indefinite number of others, among which is a subset consisting of the many ways in which a rider's build, pedaling style, gearing choices, cockpit and saddle setup, and so on, affect the efficiency with which he can interact with the bike, and, in addition, the way the bike feels when he is interacting with it. I' guessing, but I am no merely groping in the dark, since I've at least started to see patterns in the relationship between planing and the characteristics of those who experience it. One is pedaling style. Someone with a mashing pedaling style may well be less prone to benefit from a light-tubed frame; he may not be able to experience planing and may well find that a given stout-tubed bike performs very well. Someone who pedals fast in low gears may well find that same bike dead feeling. Another possibility: geometry and setup in relation to a rider's build and pedaling style. Again, no hard data but enough data to raise legitimate suspicions. Me, I find my blue-category Ram perfectly normal. It's not the fastest feeling bike I own, but it's not by any means the slowest. My erstwhile Sam Hill felt more sluggish even with Jack Brown Greens (and the SH's feeling was well within normal by my experience and standards -- just not what I'd choose as a fast road bike. I sold it for wholly other reasons, not the lack of spriteliness). Likewise, the Fargo shod with 35 mm Kojaks felt considerably less spritely than the Ram shod with the very same pair. Of which speaking: can anyone tell me the particular specs of the tubing for a 1973 Motobecane Grande Record? I know it is light 531, but what gauge and butts? I ask because of all the bikes I've owned in the last 5-6 years, this had the lightest frame of any bike that I've owned (frameset considerably lighter by heft, anyway, than either of my 2 remaining Riv customs), but I didn't experience any particular feeling of speed with it (granted there are all sorts of other factors here), while a stout tubed and very definitely heavier Herse that others had found sluggish (I think I am accurate with that qualifier) felt, to me, particularly spritely. Oh my, all of this hurts my little head. Patrick Moore, fighting spring headwinds and wishing dead-feeling frames were his only obstacle in ABQ, NM. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: I've been reading through the threads on this post since it was started last Friday and finally decided that I'd better get out my '04 Ram to see if maybe I've been missing something. I haven't been on it all Winter so I figured it would be like a new test. So I rode it today and for the life of me I can't see any of the same problems being discussed here (except maybe the pedal strikes which may be lessened by lower profile pedals). Mine is a 54cm shod with 32mm Paselas (standard, not TG's). Maybe the larger 58cm frame makes
[RBW] Re: FS: Platrack Slickersack Combo $225
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Big Front Rack~ Installing without P-Clamps?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with ...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person… And along with your list of possible variables there are two others worth noting: 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different frame size (not to mention stem heights and lengths) requirements. I can't remember where I read it now, but a while back someone submitted a post where he and a co-worker got to talking about frame sizing. Both were the same height. One said that he was perfectly comfortable with frame size x and the other said 'no way' and that he required frame size y. So they went into the restroom with rulers that they could pull up to their PBH and looked at themselves in the mirror. Sure enough, one's ruler was considerably higher than the other. I'm 5'9, but have short legs for my height - in a normal anatomy I'd be at least 6' given the length of my arms and torso - I have shorter legs. So I'm comfy on a 54cm whereas I've been told I should be on a 56cm or even a 58cm. Some of my most miserable years of cycling back in the early 70's were when I let LBS sales types talk me into bikes with 23 frames so I could stretch out, they said. Not only could I not stand over the bike at a stop without lifting one leg off the ground, but I kept having to buy shorter and shorter stems to accommodate the large frame. It was not until the late 70's when I ordered a frame from Chicago's Turin Bike (never heard what happened to them or who might've built that frame) until I felt completely comfortable on a bike that felt quick and responsive and everything else the OP says the Ram lacks. Due to financial issues I sold that frame as a complete bike (equipped entirely with Campy Record components of the time) and regretted it UNTIL ... 2) …. about a decade ago when I was almost 30 years older and far less flexible. It seems that AGING has a lot to do with the way a bike feels and handles and what's comfy and what's not. I don't know how old the OP is, but maybe he still has enough go-fast in him that the Ram just doesn't feel responsive enough. I understand that; I would've felt the same way 30 years ago. But not now. So much of it is all in the sizing, the aging, and the perception. I live next to a city park and I see people of all shapes, sizes, ages, and sexes riding their bikes on the park trail every day, many of which appear to me to have their saddles too low or high, wrong size frames, etc. But I'm not about to go out there and critique them and suggest something different. I've done that before - many years ago when a flawed setup seemed obvious to me, only to get push-back from the rider that they'd been riding like that for years and were perfectly comfortable with it. On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:54:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: George: the OP's -- or OPs' -- negative perception of the Ram is entirely a personal matter. (For the record, it is also entirely legitimate.) What is in question is very obviously NOT a collection of Ram qualities alone, but a collection of experiences that certain riders have of their Rams. Or perhaps more precisely, we are discussing the relationship between certain riders and their Rams. Tires have been mentioned as one variable. There are probably an indefinite number of others, among which is a subset consisting of the many ways in which a rider's build, pedaling style, gearing choices, cockpit and saddle setup, and so on, affect the efficiency with which he can interact with the bike, and, in addition, the way the bike feels when he is interacting with it. I' guessing, but I am no merely groping in the dark, since I've at least started to see patterns in the relationship between planing and the characteristics of those who experience it. One is pedaling style. Someone with a mashing pedaling style may well be less prone to benefit from a light-tubed frame; he may not be able to experience planing and may well find that a given stout-tubed bike performs very well. Someone who pedals fast in low gears may well find that same bike dead feeling. Another possibility: geometry and setup in relation to a rider's build and pedaling style. Again, no hard data but enough data to raise legitimate suspicions. Me, I find my blue-category Ram perfectly normal. It's not the fastest feeling bike I own, but it's not by any means the slowest. My erstwhile Sam Hill felt more sluggish even with Jack Brown Greens (and the SH's feeling was well within normal by my experience and standards -- just not what I'd choose as a fast road bike. I sold it for wholly other reasons, not the lack of spriteliness). Likewise, the Fargo shod with 35 mm Kojaks felt
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
George, I'm confused. Help me understand how #1 puts you at odds with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria. As I understand it you just perfectly illustrated why their frame size criteria is PBH (then height to dial in cockpit), not height. This is precisely how they worked with me when I called them. I pointed out the frame they recommended was one size up from the charts online. Grant said something to the effect (not anywhere near a direct quote) of he's the master of the chart not the other way round and this will work, trust him. I did, and have never regretted it. With abandon, patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:44:00 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote: Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with ...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person… And along with your list of possible variables there are two others worth noting: 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different frame size (not to mention stem heights and lengths) requirements. I can't remember where I read it now, but a while back someone submitted a post where he and a co-worker got to talking about frame sizing. Both were the same height. One said that he was perfectly comfortable with frame size x and the other said 'no way' and that he required frame size y. So they went into the restroom with rulers that they could pull up to their PBH and looked at themselves in the mirror. Sure enough, one's ruler was considerably higher than the other. I'm 5'9, but have short legs for my height - in a normal anatomy I'd be at least 6' given the length of my arms and torso - I have shorter legs. So I'm comfy on a 54cm whereas I've been told I should be on a 56cm or even a 58cm. Some of my most miserable years of cycling back in the early 70's were when I let LBS sales types talk me into bikes with 23 frames so I could stretch out, they said. Not only could I not stand over the bike at a stop without lifting one leg off the ground, but I kept having to buy shorter and shorter stems to accommodate the large frame. It was not until the late 70's when I ordered a frame from Chicago's Turin Bike (never heard what happened to them or who might've built that frame) until I felt completely comfortable on a bike that felt quick and responsive and everything else the OP says the Ram lacks. Due to financial issues I sold that frame as a complete bike (equipped entirely with Campy Record components of the time) and regretted it UNTIL ... 2) …. about a decade ago when I was almost 30 years older and far less flexible. It seems that AGING has a lot to do with the way a bike feels and handles and what's comfy and what's not. I don't know how old the OP is, but maybe he still has enough go-fast in him that the Ram just doesn't feel responsive enough. I understand that; I would've felt the same way 30 years ago. But not now. So much of it is all in the sizing, the aging, and the perception. I live next to a city park and I see people of all shapes, sizes, ages, and sexes riding their bikes on the park trail every day, many of which appear to me to have their saddles too low or high, wrong size frames, etc. But I'm not about to go out there and critique them and suggest something different. I've done that before - many years ago when a flawed setup seemed obvious to me, only to get push-back from the rider that they'd been riding like that for years and were perfectly comfortable with it. On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:54:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: George: the OP's -- or OPs' -- negative perception of the Ram is entirely a personal matter. (For the record, it is also entirely legitimate.) What is in question is very obviously NOT a collection of Ram qualities alone, but a collection of experiences that certain riders have of their Rams. Or perhaps more precisely, we are discussing the relationship between certain riders and their Rams. Tires have been mentioned as one variable. There are probably an indefinite number of others, among which is a subset consisting of the many ways in which a rider's build, pedaling style, gearing choices, cockpit and saddle setup, and so on, affect the efficiency with which he can interact with the bike, and, in addition, the way the bike feels when he is interacting with it. I' guessing, but I am no merely groping in the dark, since I've at least started to see patterns in the relationship between planing and the characteristics of those who experience it. One is pedaling style. Someone with a mashing pedaling style may well be less prone to benefit from a light-tubed frame; he may not be able to experience planing and may well find that a given stout-tubed
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:44 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: [...] 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different frame size (not to mention stem heights and lengths) requirements. I can't remember where I read it now, but a while back someone submitted a post where he and a co-worker got to talking about frame sizing. Both were the same height. One said that he was perfectly comfortable with frame size x and the other said 'no way' and that he required frame size y. So they went into the restroom with rulers that they could pull up to their PBH and looked at themselves in the mirror. Sure enough, one's ruler was considerably higher than the other. I'm 5'9, but have short legs for my height - in a normal anatomy I'd be at least 6' given the length of my arms and torso - I have shorter legs. So I'm comfy on a 54cm whereas I've been told I should be on a 56cm or even a 58cm. Some of my most miserable years of cycling back in the early 70's were when I let LBS sales types talk me into bikes with 23 frames so I could stretch out, they said. Not only could I not stand over the bike at a stop without lifting one leg off the ground, but I kept having to buy shorter and shorter stems to accommodate the large frame. I'm built much the same, though without the long arms. I'm an honest 5'10 in bare feet on a level, concrete floor, but when I sit on a flat, wooden bench beside my 6'1 bro in law (last name Hansen) I am at least as tall and perhaps a wee bit taller. (I'm also better looking.) I agree about the huge importance of top tube length. Hell, forget seat tube length if tt length is OK. (That's not entirely serious, but it makes the point.) One reason I sold the 56 cm Sam Hill was that the 59 cm c-c tt was just way too long. OTOH, that old Herse, at 60 X 57 c-c, fit perfectly. (What a *nice* bike! The problem I had with it was: it was too heavy for a gofast, and it didn't handle my sort of easy-load grocery loads well, either front or rear. Oh well, the new owner loved it.) My two remaining Rivs are 57 and 58 (c-c) with 56 1/2 cm effective top tubes. The 17 c-c Fargo has a 57 cm effective top tube. When I converted various early '90s mountain bikes to drops, I needed short and steep upjutters; the last such conversion, a 20 c-c Diamond Back with flat tt and head tube cut off practically level with tt fit fine with a 10 cm Dirt Drop stem for the Noodle. 2) …. about a decade ago when I was almost 30 years older and far less flexible. It seems that AGING has a lot to do with the way a bike feels and handles and what's comfy and what's not. I don't know how old the OP is, but maybe he still has enough go-fast in him that the Ram just doesn't feel responsive enough. I understand that; I would've felt the same way 30 years ago. But not now. So much of it is all in the sizing, the aging, and the perception. I live next to a city park and I see people of all shapes, sizes, ages, and sexes riding their bikes on the park trail every day, many of which appear to me to have their saddles too low or high, wrong size frames, etc. But I'm not about to go out there and critique them and suggest something different. I've done that before - many years ago when a flawed setup seemed obvious to me, only to get push-back from the rider that they'd been riding like that for years and were perfectly comfortable with it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
This only works if bar height is the accommodating variable. If you want your bar at a certain pre-determined height in relation to the saddle, then Grant's system doesn't work. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: George, I'm confused. Help me understand how #1 puts you at odds with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria. As I understand it you just perfectly illustrated why their frame size criteria is PBH (then height to dial in cockpit), not height. This is precisely how they worked with me when I called them. I pointed out the frame they recommended was one size up from the charts online. Grant said something to the effect (not anywhere near a direct quote) of he's the master of the chart not the other way round and this will work, trust him. I did, and have never regretted it. With abandon, patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:44:00 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote: Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with ...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person… And along with your list of possible variables there are two others worth noting: 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different frame size (not to mention stem heights and lengths) requirements. I can't remember where I read it now, but a while back someone submitted a post where he and a co-worker got to talking about frame sizing. Both were the same height. One said that he was perfectly comfortable with frame size x and the other said 'no way' and that he required frame size y. So they went into the restroom with rulers that they could pull up to their PBH and looked at themselves in the mirror. Sure enough, one's ruler was considerably higher than the other. I'm 5'9, but have short legs for my height - in a normal anatomy I'd be at least 6' given the length of my arms and torso - I have shorter legs. So I'm comfy on a 54cm whereas I've been told I should be on a 56cm or even a 58cm. Some of my most miserable years of cycling back in the early 70's were when I let LBS sales types talk me into bikes with 23 frames so I could stretch out, they said. Not only could I not stand over the bike at a stop without lifting one leg off the ground, but I kept having to buy shorter and shorter stems to accommodate the large frame. It was not until the late 70's when I ordered a frame from Chicago's Turin Bike (never heard what happened to them or who might've built that frame) until I felt completely comfortable on a bike that felt quick and responsive and everything else the OP says the Ram lacks. Due to financial issues I sold that frame as a complete bike (equipped entirely with Campy Record components of the time) and regretted it UNTIL ... 2) …. about a decade ago when I was almost 30 years older and far less flexible. It seems that AGING has a lot to do with the way a bike feels and handles and what's comfy and what's not. I don't know how old the OP is, but maybe he still has enough go-fast in him that the Ram just doesn't feel responsive enough. I understand that; I would've felt the same way 30 years ago. But not now. So much of it is all in the sizing, the aging, and the perception. I live next to a city park and I see people of all shapes, sizes, ages, and sexes riding their bikes on the park trail every day, many of which appear to me to have their saddles too low or high, wrong size frames, etc. But I'm not about to go out there and critique them and suggest something different. I've done that before - many years ago when a flawed setup seemed obvious to me, only to get push-back from the rider that they'd been riding like that for years and were perfectly comfortable with it. On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:54:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: George: the OP's -- or OPs' -- negative perception of the Ram is entirely a personal matter. (For the record, it is also entirely legitimate.) What is in question is very obviously NOT a collection of Ram qualities alone, but a collection of experiences that certain riders have of their Rams. Or perhaps more precisely, we are discussing the relationship between certain riders and their Rams. Tires have been mentioned as one variable. There are probably an indefinite number of others, among which is a subset consisting of the many ways in which a rider's build, pedaling style, gearing choices, cockpit and saddle setup, and so on, affect the efficiency with which he can interact with the bike, and, in addition, the way the bike feels when he is interacting with it. I' guessing, but I am no merely groping in the dark, since I've at least started to see patterns in the relationship between planing and the characteristics of those who experience it. One is
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
Sure it can, within the limits of stem length options. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:06:45 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: This only works if bar height is the accommodating variable. If you want your bar at a certain pre-determined height in relation to the saddle, then Grant's system doesn't work. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: George, I'm confused. Help me understand how #1 puts you at odds with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria. As I understand it you just perfectly illustrated why their frame size criteria is PBH (then height to dial in cockpit), not height. This is precisely how they worked with me when I called them. I pointed out the frame they recommended was one size up from the charts online. Grant said something to the effect (not anywhere near a direct quote) of he's the master of the chart not the other way round and this will work, trust him. I did, and have never regretted it. With abandon, patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:44:00 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote: Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with ...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person… And along with your list of possible variables there are two others worth noting: 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different frame size (not to mention stem heights and lengths) requirements. I can't remember where I read it now, but a while back someone submitted a post where he and a co-worker got to talking about frame sizing. Both were the same height. One said that he was perfectly comfortable with frame size x and the other said 'no way' and that he required frame size y. So they went into the restroom with rulers that they could pull up to their PBH and looked at themselves in the mirror. Sure enough, one's ruler was considerably higher than the other. I'm 5'9, but have short legs for my height - in a normal anatomy I'd be at least 6' given the length of my arms and torso - I have shorter legs. So I'm comfy on a 54cm whereas I've been told I should be on a 56cm or even a 58cm. Some of my most miserable years of cycling back in the early 70's were when I let LBS sales types talk me into bikes with 23 frames so I could stretch out, they said. Not only could I not stand over the bike at a stop without lifting one leg off the ground, but I kept having to buy shorter and shorter stems to accommodate the large frame. It was not until the late 70's when I ordered a frame from Chicago's Turin Bike (never heard what happened to them or who might've built that frame) until I felt completely comfortable on a bike that felt quick and responsive and everything else the OP says the Ram lacks. Due to financial issues I sold that frame as a complete bike (equipped entirely with Campy Record components of the time) and regretted it UNTIL ... 2) …. about a decade ago when I was almost 30 years older and far less flexible. It seems that AGING has a lot to do with the way a bike feels and handles and what's comfy and what's not. I don't know how old the OP is, but maybe he still has enough go-fast in him that the Ram just doesn't feel responsive enough. I understand that; I would've felt the same way 30 years ago. But not now. So much of it is all in the sizing, the aging, and the perception. I live next to a city park and I see people of all shapes, sizes, ages, and sexes riding their bikes on the park trail every day, many of which appear to me to have their saddles too low or high, wrong size frames, etc. But I'm not about to go out there and critique them and suggest something different. I've done that before - many years ago when a flawed setup seemed obvious to me, only to get push-back from the rider that they'd been riding like that for years and were perfectly comfortable with it. On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:54:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: George: the OP's -- or OPs' -- negative perception of the Ram is entirely a personal matter. (For the record, it is also entirely legitimate.) What is in question is very obviously NOT a collection of Ram qualities alone, but a collection of experiences that certain riders have of their Rams. Or perhaps more precisely, we are discussing the relationship between certain riders and their Rams. Tires have been mentioned as one variable. There are probably an indefinite number of others, among which is a subset consisting of the many ways in which a rider's build, pedaling style, gearing choices, cockpit and saddle setup, and so on, affect the efficiency with which he can interact with the bike, and, in addition, the way the bike feels when he
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
OK, that is true, but as you say within limits. I run 8 cm stems on the 56 1/2 cm tt'd Rivs (I forgot the Ram: it has a 57 cm tt, and I use a 9, but the 42 cm Noodles sweep back a cm or 2). When you start needing 6 cm stems, something is less than ideal. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Sure it can, within the limits of stem length options. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:06:45 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: This only works if bar height is the accommodating variable. If you want your bar at a certain pre-determined height in relation to the saddle, then Grant's system doesn't work. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: George, I'm confused. Help me understand how #1 puts you at odds with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria. As I understand it you just perfectly illustrated why their frame size criteria is PBH (then height to dial in cockpit), not height. This is precisely how they worked with me when I called them. I pointed out the frame they recommended was one size up from the charts online. Grant said something to the effect (not anywhere near a direct quote) of he's the master of the chart not the other way round and this will work, trust him. I did, and have never regretted it. With abandon, patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:44:00 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote: Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with ...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person… And along with your list of possible variables there are two others worth noting: 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different frame size (not to mention stem heights and lengths) requirements. I can't remember where I read it now, but a while back someone submitted a post where he and a co-worker got to talking about frame sizing. Both were the same height. One said that he was perfectly comfortable with frame size x and the other said 'no way' and that he required frame size y. So they went into the restroom with rulers that they could pull up to their PBH and looked at themselves in the mirror. Sure enough, one's ruler was considerably higher than the other. I'm 5'9, but have short legs for my height - in a normal anatomy I'd be at least 6' given the length of my arms and torso - I have shorter legs. So I'm comfy on a 54cm whereas I've been told I should be on a 56cm or even a 58cm. Some of my most miserable years of cycling back in the early 70's were when I let LBS sales types talk me into bikes with 23 frames so I could stretch out, they said. Not only could I not stand over the bike at a stop without lifting one leg off the ground, but I kept having to buy shorter and shorter stems to accommodate the large frame. It was not until the late 70's when I ordered a frame from Chicago's Turin Bike (never heard what happened to them or who might've built that frame) until I felt completely comfortable on a bike that felt quick and responsive and everything else the OP says the Ram lacks. Due to financial issues I sold that frame as a complete bike (equipped entirely with Campy Record components of the time) and regretted it UNTIL ... 2) …. about a decade ago when I was almost 30 years older and far less flexible. It seems that AGING has a lot to do with the way a bike feels and handles and what's comfy and what's not. I don't know how old the OP is, but maybe he still has enough go-fast in him that the Ram just doesn't feel responsive enough. I understand that; I would've felt the same way 30 years ago. But not now. So much of it is all in the sizing, the aging, and the perception. I live next to a city park and I see people of all shapes, sizes, ages, and sexes riding their bikes on the park trail every day, many of which appear to me to have their saddles too low or high, wrong size frames, etc. But I'm not about to go out there and critique them and suggest something different. I've done that before - many years ago when a flawed setup seemed obvious to me, only to get push-back from the rider that they'd been riding like that for years and were perfectly comfortable with it. On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:54:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: George: the OP's -- or OPs' -- negative perception of the Ram is entirely a personal matter. (For the record, it is also entirely legitimate.) What is in question is very obviously NOT a collection of Ram qualities alone, but a collection of experiences that certain riders have of their Rams. Or perhaps more precisely, we are discussing the relationship between certain riders and their Rams. Tires have been mentioned as one variable. There are probably an indefinite number of others,
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
Which, for a simple system that seems to be a lot more accurate than the fancy scientific fitting schema out there, seems pretty impressive to me. Have you had this conversation with Grant when working on your customs? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:11:58 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: OK, that is true, but as you say within limits. I run 8 cm stems on the 56 1/2 cm tt'd Rivs (I forgot the Ram: it has a 57 cm tt, and I use a 9, but the 42 cm Noodles sweep back a cm or 2). When you start needing 6 cm stems, something is less than ideal. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: Sure it can, within the limits of stem length options. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:06:45 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: This only works if bar height is the accommodating variable. If you want your bar at a certain pre-determined height in relation to the saddle, then Grant's system doesn't work. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: George, I'm confused. Help me understand how #1 puts you at odds with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria. As I understand it you just perfectly illustrated why their frame size criteria is PBH (then height to dial in cockpit), not height. This is precisely how they worked with me when I called them. I pointed out the frame they recommended was one size up from the charts online. Grant said something to the effect (not anywhere near a direct quote) of he's the master of the chart not the other way round and this will work, trust him. I did, and have never regretted it. With abandon, patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:44:00 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote: Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with ...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person… And along with your list of possible variables there are two others worth noting: 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different frame size (not to mention stem heights and lengths) requirements. I can't remember where I read it now, but a while back someone submitted a post where he and a co-worker got to talking about frame sizing. Both were the same height. One said that he was perfectly comfortable with frame size x and the other said 'no way' and that he required frame size y. So they went into the restroom with rulers that they could pull up to their PBH and looked at themselves in the mirror. Sure enough, one's ruler was considerably higher than the other. I'm 5'9, but have short legs for my height - in a normal anatomy I'd be at least 6' given the length of my arms and torso - I have shorter legs. So I'm comfy on a 54cm whereas I've been told I should be on a 56cm or even a 58cm. Some of my most miserable years of cycling back in the early 70's were when I let LBS sales types talk me into bikes with 23 frames so I could stretch out, they said. Not only could I not stand over the bike at a stop without lifting one leg off the ground, but I kept having to buy shorter and shorter stems to accommodate the large frame. It was not until the late 70's when I ordered a frame from Chicago's Turin Bike (never heard what happened to them or who might've built that frame) until I felt completely comfortable on a bike that felt quick and responsive and everything else the OP says the Ram lacks. Due to financial issues I sold that frame as a complete bike (equipped entirely with Campy Record components of the time) and regretted it UNTIL ... 2) …. about a decade ago when I was almost 30 years older and far less flexible. It seems that AGING has a lot to do with the way a bike feels and handles and what's comfy and what's not. I don't know how old the OP is, but maybe he still has enough go-fast in him that the Ram just doesn't feel responsive enough. I understand that; I would've felt the same way 30 years ago. But not now. So much of it is all in the sizing, the aging, and the perception. I live next to a city park and I see people of all shapes, sizes, ages, and sexes riding their bikes on the park trail every day, many of which appear to me to have their saddles too low or high, wrong size frames, etc. But I'm not about to go out there and critique them and suggest something different. I've done that before - many years ago when a flawed setup seemed obvious to me, only to get push-back from the rider that they'd been riding like that for years and were perfectly comfortable with it. On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:54:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: George: the OP's -- or OPs' -- negative perception of the Ram is entirely a personal
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
It's not a matter of fitting systems, scientific or otherwise, but of weight distribution, handling, and overall feel and comfort. To take the Sam Hill as the example, my choices were limited to using a stem long enough to keep the weight distribution and handling and feel normal, or to use such a short stem that these qualities were compromised, or to have the bar too high. I realize that the seat tube angle plays a role here, but I am considering only such cases where this variable has been taken into account and you are still left with a reach from saddle (which has to be positioned first of all, with all other variables determined in respect of this one) to bar (of choice; again this one is another variable) that is too long. In short, again with my Sam Hill, with saddle in place, bar of choice (46 cm Noodle), and bar height of choice (no more than 1 above saddle) the tt was simply too long without using a stem so short that I anticipated (I did not try a 6 cm stem) problems. (One of which would have been simply finding a stem so short but with a long enough quill.) On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Which, for a simple system that seems to be a lot more accurate than the fancy scientific fitting schema out there, seems pretty impressive to me. Have you had this conversation with Grant when working on your customs? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:11:58 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: OK, that is true, but as you say within limits. I run 8 cm stems on the 56 1/2 cm tt'd Rivs (I forgot the Ram: it has a 57 cm tt, and I use a 9, but the 42 cm Noodles sweep back a cm or 2). When you start needing 6 cm stems, something is less than ideal. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Sure it can, within the limits of stem length options. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:06:45 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: This only works if bar height is the accommodating variable. If you want your bar at a certain pre-determined height in relation to the saddle, then Grant's system doesn't work. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comwrote: George, I'm confused. Help me understand how #1 puts you at odds with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria. As I understand it you just perfectly illustrated why their frame size criteria is PBH (then height to dial in cockpit), not height. This is precisely how they worked with me when I called them. I pointed out the frame they recommended was one size up from the charts online. Grant said something to the effect (not anywhere near a direct quote) of he's the master of the chart not the other way round and this will work, trust him. I did, and have never regretted it. With abandon, patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:44:00 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote: Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with ...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person… And along with your list of possible variables there are two others worth noting: 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different frame size (not to mention stem heights and lengths) requirements. I can't remember where I read it now, but a while back someone submitted a post where he and a co-worker got to talking about frame sizing. Both were the same height. One said that he was perfectly comfortable with frame size x and the other said 'no way' and that he required frame size y. So they went into the restroom with rulers that they could pull up to their PBH and looked at themselves in the mirror. Sure enough, one's ruler was considerably higher than the other. I'm 5'9, but have short legs for my height - in a normal anatomy I'd be at least 6' given the length of my arms and torso - I have shorter legs. So I'm comfy on a 54cm whereas I've been told I should be on a 56cm or even a 58cm. Some of my most miserable years of cycling back in the early 70's were when I let LBS sales types talk me into bikes with 23 frames so I could stretch out, they said. Not only could I not stand over the bike at a stop without lifting one leg off the ground, but I kept having to buy shorter and shorter stems to accommodate the large frame. It was not until the late 70's when I ordered a frame from Chicago's Turin Bike (never heard what happened to them or who might've built that frame) until I felt completely comfortable on a bike that felt quick and responsive and everything else the OP says the Ram lacks. Due to financial issues I sold that frame as a complete bike (equipped entirely with Campy Record components of the time) and regretted it UNTIL ... 2) …. about a decade ago when I was almost
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
Forgot to mention the customs. No, we didn't. I simply sent him a photo of me on a bike whose fit I liked, and then discussed general fit and handling qualities. We ended up in all 3 cases with 8 cm extensions (and 56.5 or 57 tts with 73* seat tubes). (Note: the 1994/5 required a custom stem (it was a 54 c-c; Grant said don't tell anyone, but hey) -- this was before Riv carried the Tech or Tallux -- but the effective extension was 8 cm.) For the record, if I were buying a bike and if Grant and I had discussed handling qualities, and further, if Grant had agreed to build me something with my desired handling qualities, and further yet, if Grant declared, I shall build you the bike of your dreams, and said bike of dreams shall use a stem with a 1 cm extension, the which I shall supply to you; be at peace: I would sit back in great contentment and anticipate the bike with nary a qualm. But I'd have to have Grant's personal word about it. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: It's not a matter of fitting systems, scientific or otherwise, but of weight distribution, handling, and overall feel and comfort. To take the Sam Hill as the example, my choices were limited to using a stem long enough to keep the weight distribution and handling and feel normal, or to use such a short stem that these qualities were compromised, or to have the bar too high. I realize that the seat tube angle plays a role here, but I am considering only such cases where this variable has been taken into account and you are still left with a reach from saddle (which has to be positioned first of all, with all other variables determined in respect of this one) to bar (of choice; again this one is another variable) that is too long. In short, again with my Sam Hill, with saddle in place, bar of choice (46 cm Noodle), and bar height of choice (no more than 1 above saddle) the tt was simply too long without using a stem so short that I anticipated (I did not try a 6 cm stem) problems. (One of which would have been simply finding a stem so short but with a long enough quill.) On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Which, for a simple system that seems to be a lot more accurate than the fancy scientific fitting schema out there, seems pretty impressive to me. Have you had this conversation with Grant when working on your customs? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:11:58 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: OK, that is true, but as you say within limits. I run 8 cm stems on the 56 1/2 cm tt'd Rivs (I forgot the Ram: it has a 57 cm tt, and I use a 9, but the 42 cm Noodles sweep back a cm or 2). When you start needing 6 cm stems, something is less than ideal. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: Sure it can, within the limits of stem length options. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:06:45 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: This only works if bar height is the accommodating variable. If you want your bar at a certain pre-determined height in relation to the saddle, then Grant's system doesn't work. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comwrote: George, I'm confused. Help me understand how #1 puts you at odds with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria. As I understand it you just perfectly illustrated why their frame size criteria is PBH (then height to dial in cockpit), not height. This is precisely how they worked with me when I called them. I pointed out the frame they recommended was one size up from the charts online. Grant said something to the effect (not anywhere near a direct quote) of he's the master of the chart not the other way round and this will work, trust him. I did, and have never regretted it. With abandon, patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:44:00 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote: Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with ...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person… And along with your list of possible variables there are two others worth noting: 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different frame size (not to mention stem heights and lengths) requirements. I can't remember where I read it now, but a while back someone submitted a post where he and a co-worker got to talking about frame sizing. Both were the same height. One said that he was perfectly comfortable with frame size x and the other said 'no way' and that he required frame size y. So they went into the restroom with rulers that they could pull up to their PBH and looked at themselves in the mirror. Sure enough, one's ruler was considerably higher than the other. I'm 5'9, but have
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
Just now checking back to the blog. Looks like Patrick (Moore) pretty much said everything that I would've said. My difficulty with the Grant/Riv/fit philosophy is that it seems to have steered people into the largest possible frame sizes - if 54cm looks OK then you should really probably be on a 56cm. To me that's the same early 70's LBS guidance that had me on a 23 when I really should've been on a 21. One size does NOT fit all (of the same height or even PBH). There are different parts of the human anatomy besides just PBH - there are arm lengths, torso lengths, flexibility, and age to be taken into consideration. BTW, take a browse through the Riv Readers that have been published over the past several decades. Notice how the earlier frames almost always featured drop type bars, even on MTB setups (even though there was emphasis on getting the bar height even to or higher than the saddle)? Then the entire emphasis since has shifted gradually, subtly toward flatter bars like the Albatross, etc, with even more upright riding positions? Can you say flexibility and aging, anyone? Something different definitely seems to have been at work here... On Monday, April 7, 2014 7:00:48 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: George, I'm confused. Help me understand how #1 puts you at odds with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria. As I understand it you just perfectly illustrated why their frame size criteria is PBH (then height to dial in cockpit), not height. This is precisely how they worked with me when I called them. I pointed out the frame they recommended was one size up from the charts online. Grant said something to the effect (not anywhere near a direct quote) of he's the master of the chart not the other way round and this will work, trust him. I did, and have never regretted it. With abandon, patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:44:00 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote: Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with ...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person… And along with your list of possible variables there are two others worth noting: 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different frame size (not to mention stem heights and lengths) requirements. I can't remember where I read it now, but a while back someone submitted a post where he and a co-worker got to talking about frame sizing. Both were the same height. One said that he was perfectly comfortable with frame size x and the other said 'no way' and that he required frame size y. So they went into the restroom with rulers that they could pull up to their PBH and looked at themselves in the mirror. Sure enough, one's ruler was considerably higher than the other. I'm 5'9, but have short legs for my height - in a normal anatomy I'd be at least 6' given the length of my arms and torso - I have shorter legs. So I'm comfy on a 54cm whereas I've been told I should be on a 56cm or even a 58cm. Some of my most miserable years of cycling back in the early 70's were when I let LBS sales types talk me into bikes with 23 frames so I could stretch out, they said. Not only could I not stand over the bike at a stop without lifting one leg off the ground, but I kept having to buy shorter and shorter stems to accommodate the large frame. It was not until the late 70's when I ordered a frame from Chicago's Turin Bike (never heard what happened to them or who might've built that frame) until I felt completely comfortable on a bike that felt quick and responsive and everything else the OP says the Ram lacks. Due to financial issues I sold that frame as a complete bike (equipped entirely with Campy Record components of the time) and regretted it UNTIL ... 2) …. about a decade ago when I was almost 30 years older and far less flexible. It seems that AGING has a lot to do with the way a bike feels and handles and what's comfy and what's not. I don't know how old the OP is, but maybe he still has enough go-fast in him that the Ram just doesn't feel responsive enough. I understand that; I would've felt the same way 30 years ago. But not now. So much of it is all in the sizing, the aging, and the perception. I live next to a city park and I see people of all shapes, sizes, ages, and sexes riding their bikes on the park trail every day, many of which appear to me to have their saddles too low or high, wrong size frames, etc. But I'm not about to go out there and critique them and suggest something different. I've done that before - many years ago when a flawed setup seemed obvious to me, only to get push-back from the rider that they'd been riding like that for years and were perfectly comfortable with it.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Have you found any documentation of a substantive basis (not just an appeal to authority) for the oft repeated assertion that 15% tire drop gives an optimal trade off of rolling resistance and comfort? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet conundrum
I believe you can put drop bars on any Rivendell without voiding the warranty. On Apr 7, 2014 9:10 PM, George Schick bhim...@gmail.com wrote: Just now checking back to the blog. Looks like Patrick (Moore) pretty much said everything that I would've said. My difficulty with the Grant/Riv/fit philosophy is that it seems to have steered people into the largest possible frame sizes - if 54cm looks OK then you should really probably be on a 56cm. To me that's the same early 70's LBS guidance that had me on a 23 when I really should've been on a 21. One size does NOT fit all (of the same height or even PBH). There are different parts of the human anatomy besides just PBH - there are arm lengths, torso lengths, flexibility, and age to be taken into consideration. BTW, take a browse through the Riv Readers that have been published over the past several decades. Notice how the earlier frames almost always featured drop type bars, even on MTB setups (even though there was emphasis on getting the bar height even to or higher than the saddle)? Then the entire emphasis since has shifted gradually, subtly toward flatter bars like the Albatross, etc, with even more upright riding positions? Can you say flexibility and aging, anyone? Something different definitely seems to have been at work here... On Monday, April 7, 2014 7:00:48 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: George, I'm confused. Help me understand how #1 puts you at odds with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria. As I understand it you just perfectly illustrated why their frame size criteria is PBH (then height to dial in cockpit), not height. This is precisely how they worked with me when I called them. I pointed out the frame they recommended was one size up from the charts online. Grant said something to the effect (not anywhere near a direct quote) of he's the master of the chart not the other way round and this will work, trust him. I did, and have never regretted it. With abandon, patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 5:44:00 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote: Patrick - yeah, I know it. That's why I finished my thread post with ...it certainly does seem as though not every bike is for every person... And along with your list of possible variables there are two others worth noting: 1) (And this is the one where I get a bit crossways with Grant and Riv on their frame sizing criteria) Two people of exactly the same height and weight can have completely different anatomies and therefore different frame size (not to mention stem heights and lengths) requirements. I can't remember where I read it now, but a while back someone submitted a post where he and a co-worker got to talking about frame sizing. Both were the same height. One said that he was perfectly comfortable with frame size x and the other said 'no way' and that he required frame size y. So they went into the restroom with rulers that they could pull up to their PBH and looked at themselves in the mirror. Sure enough, one's ruler was considerably higher than the other. I'm 5'9, but have short legs for my height - in a normal anatomy I'd be at least 6' given the length of my arms and torso - I have shorter legs. So I'm comfy on a 54cm whereas I've been told I should be on a 56cm or even a 58cm. Some of my most miserable years of cycling back in the early 70's were when I let LBS sales types talk me into bikes with 23 frames so I could stretch out, they said. Not only could I not stand over the bike at a stop without lifting one leg off the ground, but I kept having to buy shorter and shorter stems to accommodate the large frame. It was not until the late 70's when I ordered a frame from Chicago's Turin Bike (never heard what happened to them or who might've built that frame) until I felt completely comfortable on a bike that felt quick and responsive and everything else the OP says the Ram lacks. Due to financial issues I sold that frame as a complete bike (equipped entirely with Campy Record components of the time) and regretted it UNTIL ... 2) about a decade ago when I was almost 30 years older and far less flexible. It seems that AGING has a lot to do with the way a bike feels and handles and what's comfy and what's not. I don't know how old the OP is, but maybe he still has enough go-fast in him that the Ram just doesn't feel responsive enough. I understand that; I would've felt the same way 30 years ago. But not now. So much of it is all in the sizing, the aging, and the perception. I live next to a city park and I see people of all shapes, sizes, ages, and sexes riding their bikes on the park trail every day, many of which appear to me to have their saddles too low or high, wrong size frames, etc. But I'm not about to go out there and critique them and suggest something different. I've done that before - many years ago when a flawed setup seemed obvious to me, only to get push-back
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Bicycle Quarterly has done a fair bit of research on rolling resistance and tire width/pressure. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 7:20:41 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: Have you found any documentation of a substantive basis (not just an appeal to authority) for the oft repeated assertion that 15% tire drop gives an optimal trade off of rolling resistance and comfort? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
Google: bicycle quarterly rolling resistance On Monday, April 7, 2014 7:42:04 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: Bicycle Quarterly has done a fair bit of research on rolling resistance and tire width/pressure. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 7, 2014 7:20:41 PM UTC-6, ted wrote: Have you found any documentation of a substantive basis (not just an appeal to authority) for the oft repeated assertion that 15% tire drop gives an optimal trade off of rolling resistance and comfort? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
In my last exchange with Jan he asserted rolling resistance was basically i dependent of tire pressure, baring riding flat tires and very high pressures (or maybe it was ultra high). I don't think he mentioned 15% drop. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Frame Fitment Update
I believe I have done that before, and I did just now. I may be incompetent but I didn't find test results documenting 15% tire drop as an optimum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Jamboree Ride Recon: 680 Trail
Fun ride. Eric, Evan, Jeremy and one of the five members of TheBoyzontheHoods Mr.Irving himself. Did a little recon on half the Jamboree route. Great mellow time, plenty of cheese stoppage and some really nice views. Route looks good so far. Pictures proved that 680 doesn't mean the freeway. https://flic.kr/s/aHsjWvbpnZ -Manny Pretty sure this is the way Acosta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
