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Every day, there are frightful sights in lycra on every bike path

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 2:18:24 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

 Every runner knows those Damn walkers are just in the way  Must be 
 winter. 
 On Feb 25, 2015 2:50 AM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote:



 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:18:22 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote:

 pb,

 Hmmm...I'm glad that you found a few good LBS's, 


 No, I called three, and got three answers.  I made three calls.  I got 
 three answers.  I chose the three because they were representative of three 
 major corporate entities.
  

 but have you read a mainstream bicycle magazine recently? I see all 
 sorts of articles and advertisements glorifying racing and bikes so 
 lightweight that they are completely impractical for normal use. I see VERY 
 few articles and advertisements featuring practical and reliable bikes or 
 articles that espouse using a bike for transportation rather than for only 
 racing or exercise. Transportation? What's that? A fun ride that isn't a 
 race? What's that?


 Do you read Vogue to find articles on dungarees or Harris tweed?  Do you 
 read GQ to find out what to wear when gardening?  I don't even know what 
 the mainstream bicycle magazines are any more. I do know that Bicycling 
 (does it still exist?) didn't offer a new article, or cover, in twenty 
 years.  They just recycled the old ones on a regular basis (Climb better in 
 30 days!  Get faster in 30 days!  Prepare for a century in 30 days!  Get 
 leaner in 30 days!).  I hope you don't pay to read it.  Doug, are you 
 confusing magazines with actual journalism?  Magazines exist to make money, 
 and they'll print whatever they think will sell copies.  Apparently what 
 you think is interesting isn't what they think will sell copies.  Does that 
 prove something about your local bicycle shop, or does it just indicate 
 that maybe you're looking at the wrong magazine, which you knew before you 
 picked it up.   
  

 I don't think that Grant just invented this issue. The phenomena is 
 quite real. Grant's message resonates with many because the racing 
 phenomena IS real.


 No, Grant didn't invent the issue, but he has fed the flames, and kept it 
 alive, and he has perpetuated a stereotype, and he has offended folks along 
 the way.  For no reason.  And I assure you that it has affected his bottom 
 line by marginalizing him.  Canonize him for that if you wish.  


  And yes, I do (quite often) encounter smug racers in their spandex 
 uniforms who disparage practical cyclists. They are mostly wannabe's and 
 not real racers, of course. But they are numerous and annoying just the 
 same.


 Oh come on.  There are rude and irritating members of every population 
 group.  Do they represent their groups as a whole?  See comments about 
 stereotyping.  Also, people tend to see what they are looking for.  If you 
 are looking for snotty racers, you'll probably find them.  Ironically, 
 typing that reminds me of riding into my neighborhood one night from work.  
 My commute ride is about 40 quite hilly miles each way, a solid 2.5 hours, 
 especially after a day of work, and I had ridden both ways that day, 
 leaving the house in the morning at 5:30 (no, I do not do that commute both 
 ways very often).  I was on a carbon Look, in lycra, and I had my clothes 
 and shoes and files and a laptop in my Timbuktu.  I was riding very tiredly 
 into my development, done for the day, when a fellow in jeans and a plaid 
 shirt went spinning past me on a Surly.  He was sitting upright, and he 
 ignored me as he spun past with a grin.  I guess he kicked my ass.  If it 
 had been me passing him, I would have said hello, because I try to be 
 friendly to other cyclists.  

 Here is my suggestion to you and to Grant:  Promote and enjoy the kind of 
 cycling and bicycles that you like, and let those things stand on their own 
 feet.  If your LBS sucks and just wants to sell $15,000 Pinarellos and 
 one-piece suits, go to another store, or mail order, but don't tell me that 
 proves every LBS sucks, or that every customer of that LBS is an ass.  
 Don't sneer at other cyclists along the way, or if you do, they may say 
 things like Norma Steinberg said.  There is sufficient rudeness and 
 division in our world.  Don't perpetuate it.

 Think about my comment about Ritchey and Fisher and Kelly not needing to 
 belittle roadies to make mountain biking attractive.  The opposite happened 
 -- suddenly it was cool to have two bikes!  Grant's ideas in Just Ride are 
 fine.  Yeah, I've read it -- he sent me a copy, and I have it at my right 
 hand.  It's just not necessary for anyone to prove that his ideas are right 
 by proving that someone else's ideas are wrong.  Sometimes two ideas can be 
 right at the same time, and to make an idea attractive does not 
 require belittling another idea.  You want to go for a run, go for a run.  
 You

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Jim Bronson

Guilty as charged.  In fact I am definitely not an adherent to Grant's
thoughts on cycling attire.  I'm wearing plum-smuggling cycling shorts
every time I ride, unless it's a very, very short ride.

But unlike some folks, I don't feel any pressure to conform to the Unracer
philosophy.  It's just more ideas about how to make cycling more enjoyable
and accessible to all

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote:

 Every day, there are frightful sights in lycra on every bike path

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 2:18:24 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

 Every runner knows those Damn walkers are just in the way [image: ]
 Must be winter.
 On Feb 25, 2015 2:50 AM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@
 googlegroups.com wrote:



 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:18:22 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote:

 pb,

 Hmmm...I'm glad that you found a few good LBS's,


 No, I called three, and got three answers.  I made three calls.  I got
 three answers.  I chose the three because they were representative of three
 major corporate entities.


 but have you read a mainstream bicycle magazine recently? I see all
 sorts of articles and advertisements glorifying racing and bikes so
 lightweight that they are completely impractical for normal use. I see VERY
 few articles and advertisements featuring practical and reliable bikes or
 articles that espouse using a bike for transportation rather than for only
 racing or exercise. Transportation? What's that? A fun ride that isn't a
 race? What's that?


 Do you read Vogue to find articles on dungarees or Harris tweed?  Do you
 read GQ to find out what to wear when gardening?  I don't even know what
 the mainstream bicycle magazines are any more. I do know that Bicycling
 (does it still exist?) didn't offer a new article, or cover, in twenty
 years.  They just recycled the old ones on a regular basis (Climb better in
 30 days!  Get faster in 30 days!  Prepare for a century in 30 days!  Get
 leaner in 30 days!).  I hope you don't pay to read it.  Doug, are you
 confusing magazines with actual journalism?  Magazines exist to make money,
 and they'll print whatever they think will sell copies.  Apparently what
 you think is interesting isn't what they think will sell copies.  Does that
 prove something about your local bicycle shop, or does it just indicate
 that maybe you're looking at the wrong magazine, which you knew before you
 picked it up.


 I don't think that Grant just invented this issue. The phenomena is
 quite real. Grant's message resonates with many because the racing
 phenomena IS real.


 No, Grant didn't invent the issue, but he has fed the flames, and kept
 it alive, and he has perpetuated a stereotype, and he has offended folks
 along the way.  For no reason.  And I assure you that it has affected his
 bottom line by marginalizing him.  Canonize him for that if you wish.


  And yes, I do (quite often) encounter smug racers in their spandex
 uniforms who disparage practical cyclists. They are mostly wannabe's and
 not real racers, of course. But they are numerous and annoying just the
 same.


 Oh come on.  There are rude and irritating members of every population
 group.  Do they represent their groups as a whole?  See comments about
 stereotyping.  Also, people tend to see what they are looking for.  If you
 are looking for snotty racers, you'll probably find them.  Ironically,
 typing that reminds me of riding into my neighborhood one night from work.
 My commute ride is about 40 quite hilly miles each way, a solid 2.5 hours,
 especially after a day of work, and I had ridden both ways that day,
 leaving the house in the morning at 5:30 (no, I do not do that commute both
 ways very often).  I was on a carbon Look, in lycra, and I had my clothes
 and shoes and files and a laptop in my Timbuktu.  I was riding very tiredly
 into my development, done for the day, when a fellow in jeans and a plaid
 shirt went spinning past me on a Surly.  He was sitting upright, and he
 ignored me as he spun past with a grin.  I guess he kicked my ass.  If it
 had been me passing him, I would have said hello, because I try to be
 friendly to other cyclists.

 Here is my suggestion to you and to Grant:  Promote and enjoy the kind
 of cycling and bicycles that you like, and let those things stand on their
 own feet.  If your LBS sucks and just wants to sell $15,000 Pinarellos and
 one-piece suits, go to another store, or mail order, but don't tell me that
 proves every LBS sucks, or that every customer of that LBS is an ass.
 Don't sneer at other cyclists along the way, or if you do, they may say
 things like Norma Steinberg said.  There is sufficient rudeness and
 division in our world.  Don't perpetuate it.

 Think about my comment about Ritchey and Fisher and Kelly not needing to
 belittle roadies to make mountain biking attractive.  The opposite happened
 -- suddenly it was cool to have two bikes!  Grant's ideas in Just Ride are
 fine.  Yeah, I've

[RBW] Re: Paul Brakes -- Wow!

Putting in a plug here for Modern Bike.  Andy has Paul Components in stock 
at about 30% off across the board.  His service is excellent.  

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:41:43 AM UTC-6, Mike Shaljian wrote:

 Indeed. Long-reach calipers was the obvious choice, don't think I'd bother 
 though. I question the handling change at 650b on a Sam. 

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:58:05 PM UTC-8, Leslie wrote:

 Mike, I'm confused  on my 650b Bombadil, I have Motolites, and could 
 raise the pads to run 700c wheels with it, but to go from a 700c to a 650b 
 (as I did w/ my Rambouillet), you have to use long-reach calipers, not 
 canti's ??

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 1:37:51 PM UTC-5, Mike Shaljian wrote:

 I think it depends on your bike. Strangely, on my 700C (64cm) Sam 
 Hillborne the brake pads are at the very lowest position in the huge 
 adjustment range on the Motolites. I would love to have gone 650B on my 
 recent wheel re-builds to get a 650X42mm tire, but the strange canti stud 
 placement on the frame won't allow for this. Ask your LBS!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Matthew J

 No, Grant didn't invent the issue, but he has fed the flames, and kept it 
alive, and he has perpetuated a stereotype, and he has offended folks along 
the way.  For no reason.  And I assure you that it has affected his 
 bottom line by marginalizing him.

This appears to assume GP does what he does mercenary like looking for 
business.  For better or worse GP values his vision over the bottom line.  

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[RBW] WTT: edelux II for upside down version

2015-02-25 Thread lungimsam

Clayton, Peter White Cycles says they now have the upside down edeluxe II. 
There are two models of it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor


On 02/25/2015 10:30 AM, Will wrote:
so... was all that discomfort related clothes... or related to 
position on bike?


Clothes.  Cycling shoes eliminate foot pressure, cycling shorts have 
padding and no seams to create pressure ridges.  The following year with 
no changes other than clothing I did my first century in comfort.


Also, I did not mention because it wasn't a critical factor in that 
failure, but comparing lycra jerseys with cotton T shirts in hot and 
humid conditions such as metro-DC area summers, it's clear that lycra is 
far cooler and more comfortable.


The longer distances you ride and the more difficult conditions, in 
general the more clothing specific to the sport benefits you.


That's not to say it's absolutely essential: on the first century I did 
complete, there was a kid who ride the whole thing barefoot on rat trap 
pedals.  Don't ask me how, my feet would have been raw meat.






On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:53:57 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar 
wrote:


On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote:
 Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just
 curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a
 before teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and
tee
 shirt have always worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop
 attire?

I will never forget the first time I tried to ride a century.  It was
1973, and I had a P15 Paramount.  I was wearing a T shirt, BVDs,
cut off
denim jeans for shorts, some kind of sneakers and no gloves.  By
the end
of the ride I had branded into my memory the true meaning of the
Johnny
Cash song Ring of Fire -- blazing lines of pain on my backside from
the seams on both underwear and denim shorts, parallel grooves of
pain
in my feet where the edges of the pedals had transmitted their
pressure
through the soles of my sneakers.  My hands felt as though they
were on
fire as well.  Every 10 miles or so I'd stop and lie down on the
ground
and try to will the agony away, but by mile 75 I realized I'd been
wishing a dog would run out in front of me so I could crash and
just lay
down on the pavement.  At that point I stopped and waited for the SAG
wagon.  It's the only time I've ever SAGged back from a century.


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[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

I put in a bottom bracket yesterday.  Just though I would share a simple 
technique to avoid cross threading.  First off, reach through the other 
side and support the spindle end with a least a fingertip to help with the 
alignment.  Turn the threads the wrong way until you feel a slight bump of 
the first thread lining up.  Then try threading the right way - it should 
go in with no resistance.  If you feel resistance, immediately reverse 
direction, feel again for the bump.  When you can make several turns 
without feeling resistance, you're there.  

On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 9:09:31 PM UTC-6, drew beckmeyer wrote:

 curiosity got the best of me and i had it taken out/replaced (with a 
 lovely phil bb purchased from this group). most of your analysis' were 
 right on the money. some uncleanliness, slightly imperfect fit, possibly 
 unchased shell etc made the initial install hard, but all is well and the 
 threads are intact. 
 thanks for calming me down.





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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Bernard

When I started cycling in 1990 the landscape in Northern California was 
roadies in lycra, mountain bikers in lycra, and po' folks like me in street 
clothes on Goodwill beater bikes. There was no in between. Now there's a 
whole world of city bikes and country bikes and fixies and cargo bikes and 
Dutch bikes being ridden in all manner of gear. Not to mention tweed rides. 
All of this can be traced directly back to Grant's insistence that there 
was a better way for a large portion of adult cyclists to approach cycling, 
and this didn't happen by being nice about it. GP pushed this alternative 
loudly and often, and I don't think we would be where we are today if he 
hadn't. So I'm sorry if some folks feel like he's telling them they can't 
ride carbon bikes in team gear..that's not what he's saying. He's saying 
that it's not required to be considered a serious cyclist, and this was not 
the conventional wisdom when Rivendell started. Grant Petersen changed 
cycling. 

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 1:08:44 PM UTC-8, Jon in the foothills of 
Central Colorado wrote:

 In the new Adventure Cyclist Mag

 PETERSEN RESPONDS TO READER

 LETTER ‘UNRACING? UNCOOL’

 Racing attitudes, bikes, clothing,

 and diets have become the norm and

 normal, and are so pervasive that many

 adult cyclists, maybe even some you

 know, accept the racing standards as

 the only legitimate way to be a serious

 adult cyclist. What I tried to do in the

 book *Just Ride *— and what we do here

 at Rivendell Bicycle Works — is offer

 an alternative, a model to other adult

 cyclists that there is another way. This

 letter is not an ad for either. I’m simply

 saying where I come from and what I

 do.

 We are the mice trying to squeak

 above the roar at the base of the

 waterfall. It is no time to be wishywashy,

 but I try hard to not offend.

 Inevitably, a declarative position on

 any matter is bound to raise a few

 hackles with those who have a different

 position, but it still hurts to be judged

 by a stranger who would probably like

 me, and whom I’d surely like, in person.

 A good number of our customers are

 middle-aged and older folks trying to

 fit in some activity as they age. They

 often have the means, and they’re

 influenced by what they read and see

 that promotes racers as a good model —

 and that’s something I don’t agree with.

 They shop as innocents and come

 out of it dressed like racers and riding

 bikes that are not only inappropriate

 for the kind of riding they do, but are,

 on top of that and more egregiously, not

 comfortable. We undo that. You may

 see ego or evil behind it, but I don’t

 feel either of those. I see racing and

 racers as fringe and am simply trying

 to legitimize an alternative point of

 view, one that I feel strongly about. I’m

 trying — certainly not singlehandedly —

 to make people feel good about riding

 without dressing in pro-team gear and

 copying so many other affectations of

 the racer, and that is what Unracing and

 *Just Ride *and Rivendell Bicycle Works is

 all about. We’re nobody’s enemy. Some

 of my best friends pedal cliplessly and

 in spandex. It’s cool.

 Grant Petersen

 Walnut Creek, California


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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

Thanks, Mark. Yes, I'd be using the brushed stainless uninsulated bottle as 
my pot. I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting to the 
conversion now. For the mug, I'd just be drinking out of the insulated 
metal bottle (removing the standard top). I'd be getting the sport top for 
the two uninsulated 28 oz. bottles.

My main concern with the 40 or 64 oz. bottles (I'm thinking the 64 will fit 
just in front of the rear tire on/behind the seat post tube.) is the weight 
torquing the bottle mounts off, even with additional straps. That's what I 
like about the velcro option is that with rubber tubing under it is should 
be fairly stable, but also not have a frame welded failure point.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:30:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Patrick,

 I use both these on a daily basis, have been for about six months straight 
 now. 

 I use the 27oz/800ml for water. Never tried using it for boiling. Am I 
 understanding you correctly that you would use the actual bottle as your 
 boiling pot? I Couldn't do that as I have painted/colored bottles. That'd 
 get nasty. I suppose with the unpainted ones you could probably do that, 
 provided you had some thick gloves to pick it up. Anyway, no complaints. I 
 love them actually. Drinking water from a wide-mouth bottle is delightful 
 after squeezing water through a spout.

 I use the insulated ones as coffee mugs. Klean Kanteen makes a HORRIBLE 
 coffee lid which will turn it into a nice mug. I say horrible because it is 
 in no way close to leak proof. Just walking around with it can cause leaks. 
 But if you're just sitting around having a cup, no problem. I'm sipping 
 coffee from one as I type actually. 

 They come with a 'normal' lid, which is great and 100% leak proof. I can 
 keep my coffee hot for 8 hours with that lid. 

 I did experience an odd after-taste with the insulated ones, which lasted 
 for about two weeks. It's totally gone now. A few good scrubs and a lot of 
 coffee cured it of that. 

 I've yet to try the larger size un-insulated, but plan on buying one to 
 store under the down-tube in the third bottle cage of my Atlantis. I think 
 Velo Orange just released a new cage for these. I've seen photos of other 
 people fitting these bottles down there, should work. Alternatively you 
 could just keep it in your saddle bag, or strap some cages to your fork 
 legs, like how the Salsa Fargo's, Pugsleys, etc have. 





 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:08:39 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 What is your experience with insulated/uninsulated Klean Kanteen bottles. 
 Has anyone used the insulated as a camping mug? Used the single-walled one 
 as your water boiling pot? Carried a 40 or 64 oz one in the velcro on/Irish 
 strap secured cage manner?

 More details:

 I am now converting to using Klean Kanteen bottles (from the “glass” 
 lined things Specialized makes) after 2/3rd of my bottles popped out of my 
 standard cages last fall and I need to replace then anyway, as well as 
 hearing the reports from folks here of how much better Iris cages hold 
 bottles on trails, washboard, etc.

 Between insulated and single-walled, and the larger bottles there seem to 
 be some great options for various uses., I’m thinking:

 (1) insulated 20 oz. bottle: mostly to help keep things cool in summer (I 
 drink very little when it’s below freezing, and so seldom that it would be 
 frozen anyway on a longer ride, without being inside my jacket. Also as my 
 coffee/tea mug when bikepacking.

 (2) uninsulated 28 oz. bottle: for daily ride increased volume of 
 capacity, and for boiling water over the firebox when bikepacking.

 (1) uninsulated 40 or 64 oz. with velcro on cage using Irish straps to 
 secure it for bikepacking and extra water capacity. Suggestions on wear to 
 strap this beastie?

 On the Hunqapillar, this gives me up to 76 oz. for daily rides, 140 oz. 
 capacity for bikepacking (plus a 100 oz bladder if needed, but it’s hard to 
 use and tastes plasticy.)

 Thoughts, suggestions?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Mark, I'm with you on this.  
In the Texas summer, cooling and evaporation is everything.  Padding = 
insulation = chaffing.  


 Last summer I did three long rides in a row (180km, 130km and 110km back 
 to back) in the thinnest merino boxers and cotton shorts I could find. I 
 was next to naked. Riding on a B17 Special that was only a few months old. 
 My body felt fantastic the whole way, except for one section of trail 
 filled with hidden gopher holes...ouch. I was amazed. 


  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

Ooo I'm going to have to try that one day!

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Very exacting technique is required to boil water in a KK:

 1. fill water into brushed stainless bottle.
 2. place bottle on or above heat source (try this at home kids!)
 3. wait for it to boil
 4. use gloves or pot holder (tangier works well) to prevent cooking your
 hands when removing bottle.
 5. prepare favorite hit beverage for yourself and all your friends.
 6. allow the warmth of the sun stored in the fuel you burned to warm you
 as you sip your favorite hot beverage.

 Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:04:13 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Can you elaborate on this?

 I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting to the conversion
 now.

 Is there something special you've got to do to use a K.K. as a pot?

 I doubt you'd ever torque the bottle mounts off. You could definitely
 break a bottle cage though. The straps/velcro seem like a good idea.

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote:

 Thanks, Mark. Yes, I'd be using the brushed stainless uninsulated bottle
 as my pot. I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting to the
 conversion now. For the mug, I'd just be drinking out of the insulated
 metal bottle (removing the standard top). I'd be getting the sport top for
 the two uninsulated 28 oz. bottles.

 My main concern with the 40 or 64 oz. bottles (I'm thinking the 64 will
 fit just in front of the rear tire on/behind the seat post tube.) is the
 weight torquing the bottle mounts off, even with additional straps. That's
 what I like about the velcro option is that with rubber tubing under it is
 should be fairly stable, but also not have a frame welded failure point.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:30:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Patrick,

 I use both these on a daily basis, have been for about six months
 straight now.

 I use the 27oz/800ml for water. Never tried using it for boiling. Am I
 understanding you correctly that you would use the actual bottle as your
 boiling pot? I Couldn't do that as I have painted/colored bottles. That'd
 get nasty. I suppose with the unpainted ones you could probably do that,
 provided you had some thick gloves to pick it up. Anyway, no complaints. I
 love them actually. Drinking water from a wide-mouth bottle is delightful
 after squeezing water through a spout.

 I use the insulated ones as coffee mugs. Klean Kanteen makes a HORRIBLE
 coffee lid which will turn it into a nice mug. I say horrible because it is
 in no way close to leak proof. Just walking around with it can cause leaks.
 But if you're just sitting around having a cup, no problem. I'm sipping
 coffee from one as I type actually.

 They come with a 'normal' lid, which is great and 100% leak proof. I
 can keep my coffee hot for 8 hours with that lid.

 I did experience an odd after-taste with the insulated ones, which
 lasted for about two weeks. It's totally gone now. A few good scrubs and a
 lot of coffee cured it of that.

 I've yet to try the larger size un-insulated, but plan on buying one to
 store under the down-tube in the third bottle cage of my Atlantis. I think
 Velo Orange just released a new cage for these. I've seen photos of other
 people fitting these bottles down there, should work. Alternatively you
 could just keep it in your saddle bag, or strap some cages to your fork
 legs, like how the Salsa Fargo's, Pugsleys, etc have.





 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:08:39 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick
 wrote:

 What is your experience with insulated/uninsulated Klean Kanteen
 bottles. Has anyone used the insulated as a camping mug? Used the
 single-walled one as your water boiling pot? Carried a 40 or 64 oz one in
 the velcro on/Irish strap secured cage manner?

 More details:

 I am now converting to using Klean Kanteen bottles (from the “glass”
 lined things Specialized makes) after 2/3rd of my bottles popped out of my
 standard cages last fall and I need to replace then anyway, as well as
 hearing the reports from folks here of how much better Iris cages hold
 bottles on trails, washboard, etc.

 Between insulated and single-walled, and the larger bottles there seem
 to be some great options for various uses., I’m thinking:

 (1) insulated 20 oz. bottle: mostly to help keep things cool in summer
 (I drink very little when it’s below freezing, and so seldom that it would
 be frozen anyway on a longer ride, without being inside my jacket. Also as
 my coffee/tea mug when bikepacking.

 (2) uninsulated 28 oz. bottle: for daily ride increased volume of
 capacity, and for boiling water over the firebox when bikepacking.

 (1) uninsulated 40 or 64 oz. with velcro on cage using Irish straps to
 secure it for bikepacking and extra water capacity. Suggestions on wear to
 strap this beastie?

 On the Hunqapillar, this gives me up to 76 oz.

[RBW] Re: WTB Jitensha Bar

that's why I went with the MAP bars - they're an inch longer on each side.  

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:21:48 AM UTC-6, DS wrote:

 Check out these: 
 http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-postino-handlebar-22-2mm.html

 I was trying to decide b/w these and the Jitensha a while back. The 
 Postino's are a little longer/wider from what I remember.

 On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 10:55:26 PM UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:

 For the Quickbeam!

 Let me know if you've got one available for purchase please, and thanks!

 Amit



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Re: [RBW] Re: Solvent tank for drivetrain cleaning

2015-02-25 Thread RoadieRyan

I have been using an ultrasonic cleaner I got on Amazon for the last couple
years and love it as it gets to all the cracks and crevices I would have a
hard time reaching with a tooth brush. It will do almost all of the drive
train components as well as the stem and seat post (if they aren't too
long) I do a lot of work on old 10 speeds so it is very handy. It is close
to this model
http://www.amazon.com/Kendal-Industrial-Digital-Ultrasonic-Cleaner/dp/B0018IIPFK/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8qid=1424881043sr=8-8keywords=ultrasonic+cleaner

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 12:25:37 PM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:

Another good product from Harbor Freight might be an ultrasonic cleaner.
I've always wanted one of those and this one is about the right size with
a 2.5 liter capacity. Should work good with something like Finish Line
citrus solvent, which may be diluted with up to 5 parts water. Would be
great for chains.

http://www.harborfreight.com/25-liter-ultrasonic-cleaner-95563.html

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 2:15:25 PM UTC-6, Skenry wrote:

Try this, from Harbor Freight
http://www.harborfreight.com/6-1-2-half-gallon-parts-washer-96952.html
6.5 gallons and big enough for a crankset with rings attached. The
best washers are heated, but this one is great for normal home use.
Scott

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cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
We just got one at the community shop in town bikebbq.com
It's huge, takes a while to heat up, but works fantastically. Can put
an
entire frame inside it!
Doesn't work that great for casual use.

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:35:22 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

Does anyone have a solvent tank for drivetrain parts cleaning? That
seems
like the ultimate solution for cleaning greasy parts. It would be
nice to
have two chains and just leave one in there all the time.

The drawbacks are, potential fumes in an enclosed area and they're
expensive.

I found this one on Amazon but it's $205...

http://www.amazon.com/Gallon-Pressure-Cleaner-Solvent-Electric/dp/B0029443HG

Plus 20 gallons of solvent, may put this in the category of maybe
someday

I also do some work on my cars though and it would be nice to have for
that as well. So maybe the dual use will justify it ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Will

Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just curious. 
I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a before teenage 
years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee shirt have always 
worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop attire?  

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:21:59 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Guilty as charged.  In fact I am definitely not an adherent to Grant's 
 thoughts on cycling attire.  I'm wearing plum-smuggling cycling shorts 
 every time I ride, unless it's a very, very short ride.

 But unlike some folks, I don't feel any pressure to conform to the Unracer 
 philosophy.  It's just more ideas about how to make cycling more enjoyable 
 and accessible to all

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Every day, there are frightful sights in lycra on every bike path

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 2:18:24 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

 Every runner knows those Damn walkers are just in the way [image: ] 
 Must be winter. 
 On Feb 25, 2015 2:50 AM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@
 googlegroups.com wrote:



 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:18:22 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote:

 pb,

 Hmmm...I'm glad that you found a few good LBS's, 


 No, I called three, and got three answers.  I made three calls.  I got 
 three answers.  I chose the three because they were representative of 
 three 
 major corporate entities.
  

 but have you read a mainstream bicycle magazine recently? I see all 
 sorts of articles and advertisements glorifying racing and bikes so 
 lightweight that they are completely impractical for normal use. I see 
 VERY 
 few articles and advertisements featuring practical and reliable bikes or 
 articles that espouse using a bike for transportation rather than for 
 only 
 racing or exercise. Transportation? What's that? A fun ride that isn't a 
 race? What's that?


 Do you read Vogue to find articles on dungarees or Harris tweed?  Do 
 you read GQ to find out what to wear when gardening?  I don't even 
 know what the mainstream bicycle magazines are any more. I do know 
 that Bicycling (does it still exist?) didn't offer a new article, 
 or cover, in twenty years.  They just recycled the old ones on a regular 
 basis (Climb better in 30 days!  Get faster in 30 days!  Prepare for a 
 century in 30 days!  Get leaner in 30 days!).  I hope you don't pay to 
 read 
 it.  Doug, are you confusing magazines with actual journalism?  Magazines 
 exist to make money, and they'll print whatever they think will sell 
 copies.  Apparently what you think is interesting isn't what they think 
 will sell copies.  Does that prove something about your local bicycle 
 shop, 
 or does it just indicate that maybe you're looking at the wrong magazine, 
 which you knew before you picked it up.   
  

 I don't think that Grant just invented this issue. The phenomena is 
 quite real. Grant's message resonates with many because the racing 
 phenomena IS real.


 No, Grant didn't invent the issue, but he has fed the flames, and kept 
 it alive, and he has perpetuated a stereotype, and he has offended folks 
 along the way.  For no reason.  And I assure you that it has affected his 
 bottom line by marginalizing him.  Canonize him for that if you wish.  


  And yes, I do (quite often) encounter smug racers in their spandex 
 uniforms who disparage practical cyclists. They are mostly wannabe's and 
 not real racers, of course. But they are numerous and annoying just the 
 same.


 Oh come on.  There are rude and irritating members of every population 
 group.  Do they represent their groups as a whole?  See comments about 
 stereotyping.  Also, people tend to see what they are looking for.  If you 
 are looking for snotty racers, you'll probably find them.  Ironically, 
 typing that reminds me of riding into my neighborhood one night from work. 
  
 My commute ride is about 40 quite hilly miles each way, a solid 2.5 hours, 
 especially after a day of work, and I had ridden both ways that day, 
 leaving the house in the morning at 5:30 (no, I do not do that commute 
 both 
 ways very often).  I was on a carbon Look, in lycra, and I had my clothes 
 and shoes and files and a laptop in my Timbuktu.  I was riding very 
 tiredly 
 into my development, done for the day, when a fellow in jeans and a plaid 
 shirt went spinning past me on a Surly.  He was sitting upright, and he 
 ignored me as he spun past with a grin.  I guess he kicked my ass.  If it 
 had been me passing him, I would have said hello, because I try to be 
 friendly to other cyclists.  

 Here is my suggestion to you and to Grant:  Promote and enjoy the kind 
 of cycling and bicycles that you like, and let those things stand on their 
 own feet.  If your LBS sucks and just wants to sell $15,000 Pinarellos and 
 one-piece suits, go to another store, or mail order, but don't tell me 
 that 
 proves every LBS sucks, or that

[RBW] Re: WTB Jitensha Bar

2015-02-25 Thread DS

Check out 
these: 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-postino-handlebar-22-2mm.html

I was trying to decide b/w these and the Jitensha a while back. The 
Postino's are a little longer/wider from what I remember.

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 10:55:26 PM UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:

 For the Quickbeam!

 Let me know if you've got one available for purchase please, and thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

I disagree with the previous statement. I've done many century rides in 
good quality (Assos) lyrca kit on a number of saddles. Usually around the 
60 mile mark I'll start to get a bit sore. By the end of the ride, it's a 
constant dull ache. Doesn't matter if I use different brand of 
bibs/chamois, saddles, etc.

Last summer I did three long rides in a row (180km, 130km and 110km back to 
back) in the thinnest merino boxers and cotton shorts I could find. I was 
next to naked. Riding on a B17 Special that was only a few months old. My 
body felt fantastic the whole way, except for one section of trail filled 
with hidden gopher holes...ouch. I was amazed. 

I think the key to comfort definitely hinges on selecting the 'right' 
clothes and saddle, but what is 'right' does not ever *have* to be 
lycra/cycling kit. Nothing wrong with riding in that stuff, I do it all the 
time too. However, I've ridden 100km rides in Levi's and leather boots, 
felt fine. 



On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:52:58 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 02/25/2015 10:30 AM, Will wrote:
  
 so... was all that discomfort related clothes... or related to position on 
 bike?
  

 Clothes.  Cycling shoes eliminate foot pressure, cycling shorts have 
 padding and no seams to create pressure ridges.  The following year with no 
 changes other than clothing I did my first century in comfort.

 Also, I did not mention because it wasn't a critical factor in that 
 failure, but comparing lycra jerseys with cotton T shirts in hot and humid 
 conditions such as metro-DC area summers, it's clear that lycra is far 
 cooler and more comfortable.

 The longer distances you ride and the more difficult conditions, in 
 general the more clothing specific to the sport benefits you.  

 That's not to say it's absolutely essential: on the first century I did 
 complete, there was a kid who ride the whole thing barefoot on rat trap 
 pedals.  Don't ask me how, my feet would have been raw meat.


  

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:53:57 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar 
 wrote: 

 On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote: 
  Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just 
  curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a 
  before teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee 
  shirt have always worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop 
  attire? 

 I will never forget the first time I tried to ride a century.  It was 
 1973, and I had a P15 Paramount.  I was wearing a T shirt, BVDs, cut off 
 denim jeans for shorts, some kind of sneakers and no gloves.  By the end 
 of the ride I had branded into my memory the true meaning of the Johnny 
 Cash song Ring of Fire -- blazing lines of pain on my backside from 
 the seams on both underwear and denim shorts, parallel grooves of pain 
 in my feet where the edges of the pedals had transmitted their pressure 
 through the soles of my sneakers.  My hands felt as though they were on 
 fire as well.  Every 10 miles or so I'd stop and lie down on the ground 
 and try to will the agony away, but by mile 75 I realized I'd been 
 wishing a dog would run out in front of me so I could crash and just lay 
 down on the pavement.  At that point I stopped and waited for the SAG 
 wagon.  It's the only time I've ever SAGged back from a century. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Bernard

I learned from Grant that seamless shorts/pants and a good saddle are more 
important than padding. I actually got more comfortable on my usual 
20-40-mile rides when I switched to wool unpadded underwear and Swrve baggy 
shorts; tight, padded lycra didn't work well for me. I can't vouch for what 
works on centuries, though..my body doesn't seem to like that distance on 
*any* bike in *any* type of clothing ;)

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:52:58 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 02/25/2015 10:30 AM, Will wrote:
  
 so... was all that discomfort related clothes... or related to position on 
 bike?
  

 Clothes.  Cycling shoes eliminate foot pressure, cycling shorts have 
 padding and no seams to create pressure ridges.  The following year with no 
 changes other than clothing I did my first century in comfort.

 Also, I did not mention because it wasn't a critical factor in that 
 failure, but comparing lycra jerseys with cotton T shirts in hot and humid 
 conditions such as metro-DC area summers, it's clear that lycra is far 
 cooler and more comfortable.

 The longer distances you ride and the more difficult conditions, in 
 general the more clothing specific to the sport benefits you.  

 That's not to say it's absolutely essential: on the first century I did 
 complete, there was a kid who ride the whole thing barefoot on rat trap 
 pedals.  Don't ask me how, my feet would have been raw meat.


  

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:53:57 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar 
 wrote: 

 On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote: 
  Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just 
  curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a 
  before teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee 
  shirt have always worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop 
  attire? 

 I will never forget the first time I tried to ride a century.  It was 
 1973, and I had a P15 Paramount.  I was wearing a T shirt, BVDs, cut off 
 denim jeans for shorts, some kind of sneakers and no gloves.  By the end 
 of the ride I had branded into my memory the true meaning of the Johnny 
 Cash song Ring of Fire -- blazing lines of pain on my backside from 
 the seams on both underwear and denim shorts, parallel grooves of pain 
 in my feet where the edges of the pedals had transmitted their pressure 
 through the soles of my sneakers.  My hands felt as though they were on 
 fire as well.  Every 10 miles or so I'd stop and lie down on the ground 
 and try to will the agony away, but by mile 75 I realized I'd been 
 wishing a dog would run out in front of me so I could crash and just lay 
 down on the pavement.  At that point I stopped and waited for the SAG 
 wagon.  It's the only time I've ever SAGged back from a century. 


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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

Patrick,

I use both these on a daily basis, have been for about six months straight 
now. 

I use the 27oz/800ml for water. Never tried using it for boiling. Am I 
understanding you correctly that you would use the actual bottle as your 
boiling pot? I Couldn't do that as I have painted/colored bottles. That'd 
get nasty. I suppose with the unpainted ones you could probably do that, 
provided you had some thick gloves to pick it up. Anyway, no complaints. I 
love them actually. Drinking water from a wide-mouth bottle is delightful 
after squeezing water through a spout.

I use the insulated ones as coffee mugs. Klean Kanteen makes a HORRIBLE 
coffee lid which will turn it into a nice mug. I say horrible because it is 
in no way close to leak proof. Just walking around with it can cause leaks. 
But if you're just sitting around having a cup, no problem. I'm sipping 
coffee from one as I type actually. 

They come with a 'normal' lid, which is great and 100% leak proof. I can 
keep my coffee hot for 8 hours with that lid. 

I did experience an odd after-taste with the insulated ones, which lasted 
for about two weeks. It's totally gone now. A few good scrubs and a lot of 
coffee cured it of that. 

I've yet to try the larger size un-insulated, but plan on buying one to 
store under the down-tube in the third bottle cage of my Atlantis. I think 
Velo Orange just released a new cage for these. I've seen photos of other 
people fitting these bottles down there, should work. Alternatively you 
could just keep it in your saddle bag, or strap some cages to your fork 
legs, like how the Salsa Fargo's, Pugsleys, etc have. 





On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:08:39 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 What is your experience with insulated/uninsulated Klean Kanteen bottles. 
 Has anyone used the insulated as a camping mug? Used the single-walled one 
 as your water boiling pot? Carried a 40 or 64 oz one in the velcro on/Irish 
 strap secured cage manner?

 More details:

 I am now converting to using Klean Kanteen bottles (from the “glass” lined 
 things Specialized makes) after 2/3rd of my bottles popped out of my 
 standard cages last fall and I need to replace then anyway, as well as 
 hearing the reports from folks here of how much better Iris cages hold 
 bottles on trails, washboard, etc.

 Between insulated and single-walled, and the larger bottles there seem to 
 be some great options for various uses., I’m thinking:

 (1) insulated 20 oz. bottle: mostly to help keep things cool in summer (I 
 drink very little when it’s below freezing, and so seldom that it would be 
 frozen anyway on a longer ride, without being inside my jacket. Also as my 
 coffee/tea mug when bikepacking.

 (2) uninsulated 28 oz. bottle: for daily ride increased volume of 
 capacity, and for boiling water over the firebox when bikepacking.

 (1) uninsulated 40 or 64 oz. with velcro on cage using Irish straps to 
 secure it for bikepacking and extra water capacity. Suggestions on wear to 
 strap this beastie?

 On the Hunqapillar, this gives me up to 76 oz. for daily rides, 140 oz. 
 capacity for bikepacking (plus a 100 oz bladder if needed, but it’s hard to 
 use and tastes plasticy.)

 Thoughts, suggestions?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

Can you elaborate on this?

I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting to the conversion
now.

Is there something special you've got to do to use a K.K. as a pot?

I doubt you'd ever torque the bottle mounts off. You could definitely break
a bottle cage though. The straps/velcro seem like a good idea.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 Thanks, Mark. Yes, I'd be using the brushed stainless uninsulated bottle
 as my pot. I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting to the
 conversion now. For the mug, I'd just be drinking out of the insulated
 metal bottle (removing the standard top). I'd be getting the sport top for
 the two uninsulated 28 oz. bottles.

 My main concern with the 40 or 64 oz. bottles (I'm thinking the 64 will
 fit just in front of the rear tire on/behind the seat post tube.) is the
 weight torquing the bottle mounts off, even with additional straps. That's
 what I like about the velcro option is that with rubber tubing under it is
 should be fairly stable, but also not have a frame welded failure point.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:30:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Patrick,

 I use both these on a daily basis, have been for about six months
 straight now.

 I use the 27oz/800ml for water. Never tried using it for boiling. Am I
 understanding you correctly that you would use the actual bottle as your
 boiling pot? I Couldn't do that as I have painted/colored bottles. That'd
 get nasty. I suppose with the unpainted ones you could probably do that,
 provided you had some thick gloves to pick it up. Anyway, no complaints. I
 love them actually. Drinking water from a wide-mouth bottle is delightful
 after squeezing water through a spout.

 I use the insulated ones as coffee mugs. Klean Kanteen makes a HORRIBLE
 coffee lid which will turn it into a nice mug. I say horrible because it is
 in no way close to leak proof. Just walking around with it can cause leaks.
 But if you're just sitting around having a cup, no problem. I'm sipping
 coffee from one as I type actually.

 They come with a 'normal' lid, which is great and 100% leak proof. I can
 keep my coffee hot for 8 hours with that lid.

 I did experience an odd after-taste with the insulated ones, which lasted
 for about two weeks. It's totally gone now. A few good scrubs and a lot of
 coffee cured it of that.

 I've yet to try the larger size un-insulated, but plan on buying one to
 store under the down-tube in the third bottle cage of my Atlantis. I think
 Velo Orange just released a new cage for these. I've seen photos of other
 people fitting these bottles down there, should work. Alternatively you
 could just keep it in your saddle bag, or strap some cages to your fork
 legs, like how the Salsa Fargo's, Pugsleys, etc have.





 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:08:39 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 What is your experience with insulated/uninsulated Klean Kanteen
 bottles. Has anyone used the insulated as a camping mug? Used the
 single-walled one as your water boiling pot? Carried a 40 or 64 oz one in
 the velcro on/Irish strap secured cage manner?

 More details:

 I am now converting to using Klean Kanteen bottles (from the “glass”
 lined things Specialized makes) after 2/3rd of my bottles popped out of my
 standard cages last fall and I need to replace then anyway, as well as
 hearing the reports from folks here of how much better Iris cages hold
 bottles on trails, washboard, etc.

 Between insulated and single-walled, and the larger bottles there seem
 to be some great options for various uses., I’m thinking:

 (1) insulated 20 oz. bottle: mostly to help keep things cool in summer
 (I drink very little when it’s below freezing, and so seldom that it would
 be frozen anyway on a longer ride, without being inside my jacket. Also as
 my coffee/tea mug when bikepacking.

 (2) uninsulated 28 oz. bottle: for daily ride increased volume of
 capacity, and for boiling water over the firebox when bikepacking.

 (1) uninsulated 40 or 64 oz. with velcro on cage using Irish straps to
 secure it for bikepacking and extra water capacity. Suggestions on wear to
 strap this beastie?

 On the Hunqapillar, this gives me up to 76 oz. for daily rides, 140 oz.
 capacity for bikepacking (plus a 100 oz bladder if needed, but it’s hard to
 use and tastes plasticy.)

 Thoughts, suggestions?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

some of the arguments above need clarification.  Racing Crowd should be 
defined as the general trend of the industry.  It actually doesn't include 
actual racers.  Rather, it's a droves of cyclists who leave a bike shop 
with carbon and lycra, and an industry pushing them out the door that way. 
 In many cases, they would be better served by following Grant's model.  
The letter to the editor guy doesn't get one simple fact.  Everybody else 
is selling what he wants.  It's great that we have Rivendell providing an 
alternative for the rest of us.  

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:41:59 AM UTC-6, Will wrote:

 Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just 
 curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a before 
 teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee shirt have 
 always worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop attire?  

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:21:59 AM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Guilty as charged.  In fact I am definitely not an adherent to Grant's 
 thoughts on cycling attire.  I'm wearing plum-smuggling cycling shorts 
 every time I ride, unless it's a very, very short ride.

 But unlike some folks, I don't feel any pressure to conform to the 
 Unracer philosophy.  It's just more ideas about how to make cycling more 
 enjoyable and accessible to all

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote:

 Every day, there are frightful sights in lycra on every bike path

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 2:18:24 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

 Every runner knows those Damn walkers are just in the way [image: ] 
 Must be winter. 
 On Feb 25, 2015 2:50 AM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@
 googlegroups.com wrote:



 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:18:22 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote:

 pb,

 Hmmm...I'm glad that you found a few good LBS's, 


 No, I called three, and got three answers.  I made three calls.  I got 
 three answers.  I chose the three because they were representative of 
 three 
 major corporate entities.
  

 but have you read a mainstream bicycle magazine recently? I see all 
 sorts of articles and advertisements glorifying racing and bikes so 
 lightweight that they are completely impractical for normal use. I see 
 VERY 
 few articles and advertisements featuring practical and reliable bikes 
 or 
 articles that espouse using a bike for transportation rather than for 
 only 
 racing or exercise. Transportation? What's that? A fun ride that isn't a 
 race? What's that?


 Do you read Vogue to find articles on dungarees or Harris tweed?  Do 
 you read GQ to find out what to wear when gardening?  I don't even 
 know what the mainstream bicycle magazines are any more. I do know 
 that Bicycling (does it still exist?) didn't offer a new article, 
 or cover, in twenty years.  They just recycled the old ones on a regular 
 basis (Climb better in 30 days!  Get faster in 30 days!  Prepare for a 
 century in 30 days!  Get leaner in 30 days!).  I hope you don't pay to 
 read 
 it.  Doug, are you confusing magazines with actual journalism?  Magazines 
 exist to make money, and they'll print whatever they think will sell 
 copies.  Apparently what you think is interesting isn't what they think 
 will sell copies.  Does that prove something about your local bicycle 
 shop, 
 or does it just indicate that maybe you're looking at the wrong magazine, 
 which you knew before you picked it up.   
  

 I don't think that Grant just invented this issue. The phenomena is 
 quite real. Grant's message resonates with many because the racing 
 phenomena IS real.


 No, Grant didn't invent the issue, but he has fed the flames, and kept 
 it alive, and he has perpetuated a stereotype, and he has offended folks 
 along the way.  For no reason.  And I assure you that it has affected his 
 bottom line by marginalizing him.  Canonize him for that if you wish.  


  And yes, I do (quite often) encounter smug racers in their spandex 
 uniforms who disparage practical cyclists. They are mostly wannabe's and 
 not real racers, of course. But they are numerous and annoying just the 
 same.


 Oh come on.  There are rude and irritating members of every population 
 group.  Do they represent their groups as a whole?  See comments about 
 stereotyping.  Also, people tend to see what they are looking for.  If 
 you 
 are looking for snotty racers, you'll probably find them.  Ironically, 
 typing that reminds me of riding into my neighborhood one night from 
 work.  
 My commute ride is about 40 quite hilly miles each way, a solid 2.5 
 hours, 
 especially after a day of work, and I had ridden both ways that day, 
 leaving the house in the morning at 5:30 (no, I do not do that commute 
 both 
 ways very often).  I was on a carbon Look, in lycra, and I had my clothes 
 and shoes and files and a laptop in my Timbuktu.  I was riding very 
 tiredly 
 into my development, done for the day, when a fellow in

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor


On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote:
Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just 
curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a 
before teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee 
shirt have always worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop 
attire?


I will never forget the first time I tried to ride a century.  It was 
1973, and I had a P15 Paramount.  I was wearing a T shirt, BVDs, cut off 
denim jeans for shorts, some kind of sneakers and no gloves.  By the end 
of the ride I had branded into my memory the true meaning of the Johnny 
Cash song Ring of Fire -- blazing lines of pain on my backside from 
the seams on both underwear and denim shorts, parallel grooves of pain 
in my feet where the edges of the pedals had transmitted their pressure 
through the soles of my sneakers.  My hands felt as though they were on 
fire as well.  Every 10 miles or so I'd stop and lie down on the ground 
and try to will the agony away, but by mile 75 I realized I'd been 
wishing a dog would run out in front of me so I could crash and just lay 
down on the pavement.  At that point I stopped and waited for the SAG 
wagon.  It's the only time I've ever SAGged back from a century.



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[RBW] Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

What is your experience with insulated/uninsulated Klean Kanteen bottles. Has 
anyone used the insulated as a camping mug? Used the single-walled one as your 
water boiling pot? Carried a 40 or 64 oz one in the velcro on/Irish strap 
secured cage manner?

More details:

I am now converting to using Klean Kanteen bottles (from the “glass” lined 
things Specialized makes) after 2/3rd of my bottles popped out of my standard 
cages last fall and I need to replace then anyway, as well as hearing the 
reports from folks here of how much better Iris cages hold bottles on trails, 
washboard, etc.

Between insulated and single-walled, and the larger bottles there seem to be 
some great options for various uses., I’m thinking:

(1) insulated 20 oz. bottle: mostly to help keep things cool in summer (I drink 
very little when it’s below freezing, and so seldom that it would be frozen 
anyway on a longer ride, without being inside my jacket. Also as my coffee/tea 
mug when bikepacking.

(2) uninsulated 28 oz. bottle: for daily ride increased volume of capacity, and 
for boiling water over the firebox when bikepacking.

(1) uninsulated 40 or 64 oz. with velcro on cage using Irish straps to secure 
it for bikepacking and extra water capacity. Suggestions on wear to strap this 
beastie?

On the Hunqapillar, this gives me up to 76 oz. for daily rides, 140 oz. 
capacity for bikepacking (plus a 100 oz bladder if needed, but it’s hard to use 
and tastes plasticy.)

Thoughts, suggestions?

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Will

so... was all that discomfort related clothes... or related to position on 
bike?


On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:53:57 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote: 
  Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just 
  curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a 
  before teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee 
  shirt have always worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop 
  attire? 

 I will never forget the first time I tried to ride a century.  It was 
 1973, and I had a P15 Paramount.  I was wearing a T shirt, BVDs, cut off 
 denim jeans for shorts, some kind of sneakers and no gloves.  By the end 
 of the ride I had branded into my memory the true meaning of the Johnny 
 Cash song Ring of Fire -- blazing lines of pain on my backside from 
 the seams on both underwear and denim shorts, parallel grooves of pain 
 in my feet where the edges of the pedals had transmitted their pressure 
 through the soles of my sneakers.  My hands felt as though they were on 
 fire as well.  Every 10 miles or so I'd stop and lie down on the ground 
 and try to will the agony away, but by mile 75 I realized I'd been 
 wishing a dog would run out in front of me so I could crash and just lay 
 down on the pavement.  At that point I stopped and waited for the SAG 
 wagon.  It's the only time I've ever SAGged back from a century. 




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RE: [RBW] Re: WTB Jitensha Bar

2015-02-25 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

The Postinos are pretty nice bars – I’m using them on a new charity auction 
mixte build now.  Very zippy looking, pic here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/15764491503/

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: WTB Jitensha Bar

Check out these: 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-postino-handlebar-22-2mm.html

I was trying to decide b/w these and the Jitensha a while back. The Postino's 
are a little longer/wider from what I remember.

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 10:55:26 PM UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:
For the Quickbeam!

Let me know if you've got one available for purchase please, and thanks!

Amit
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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Cheviot and other things

2015-02-25 Thread DS

The Cheviot found a nice new home last night. Here's what left:

Almost complete Noodle Cockpit w/ stem, brake levers, cable housing (this 
was on a 51cm Sam and the housing is cut for that), and pods for shifters 
in the bar ends (but not the actual shifters) nicely wrapped with brown 
cloth wrap by rivendell: $170, $185 shipped, or:
- Nitto Noodle Handlebar 44 cm  $60  ($70 shipped)
- Nitto Talux Stems 9cm   $50  ($60 shipped)
- Shimano Tiagra brake levers   $40   ($45 shipped)

Schwalbe Marathon 650b hs420 tires - $60 for the pair, less than 50 miles

Big Ben 2.25 26” Performance line tires - $60 for the pair, less than 50 
miles (though I did get a flat but seems to be a pinch flat, no obvious 
damage to the tire)

Things I'm looking for if anyone wants to trade:
Small sackville saddlesack
650b gravel tires like rock and roads or something similar

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Re: [RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

Very exacting technique is required to boil water in a KK:

1. fill water into brushed stainless bottle.
2. place bottle on or above heat source (try this at home kids!)
3. wait for it to boil
4. use gloves or pot holder (tangier works well) to prevent cooking your 
hands when removing bottle.
5. prepare favorite hit beverage for yourself and all your friends.
6. allow the warmth of the sun stored in the fuel you burned to warm you as 
you sip your favorite hot beverage.

Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:04:13 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Can you elaborate on this?

 I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting to the conversion 
 now.

 Is there something special you've got to do to use a K.K. as a pot? 

 I doubt you'd ever torque the bottle mounts off. You could definitely 
 break a bottle cage though. The straps/velcro seem like a good idea.

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Thanks, Mark. Yes, I'd be using the brushed stainless uninsulated bottle 
 as my pot. I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting to the 
 conversion now. For the mug, I'd just be drinking out of the insulated 
 metal bottle (removing the standard top). I'd be getting the sport top for 
 the two uninsulated 28 oz. bottles.

 My main concern with the 40 or 64 oz. bottles (I'm thinking the 64 will 
 fit just in front of the rear tire on/behind the seat post tube.) is the 
 weight torquing the bottle mounts off, even with additional straps. That's 
 what I like about the velcro option is that with rubber tubing under it is 
 should be fairly stable, but also not have a frame welded failure point.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:30:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Patrick,

 I use both these on a daily basis, have been for about six months 
 straight now. 

 I use the 27oz/800ml for water. Never tried using it for boiling. Am I 
 understanding you correctly that you would use the actual bottle as your 
 boiling pot? I Couldn't do that as I have painted/colored bottles. That'd 
 get nasty. I suppose with the unpainted ones you could probably do that, 
 provided you had some thick gloves to pick it up. Anyway, no complaints. I 
 love them actually. Drinking water from a wide-mouth bottle is delightful 
 after squeezing water through a spout.

 I use the insulated ones as coffee mugs. Klean Kanteen makes a HORRIBLE 
 coffee lid which will turn it into a nice mug. I say horrible because it is 
 in no way close to leak proof. Just walking around with it can cause leaks. 
 But if you're just sitting around having a cup, no problem. I'm sipping 
 coffee from one as I type actually. 

 They come with a 'normal' lid, which is great and 100% leak proof. I can 
 keep my coffee hot for 8 hours with that lid. 

 I did experience an odd after-taste with the insulated ones, which 
 lasted for about two weeks. It's totally gone now. A few good scrubs and a 
 lot of coffee cured it of that. 

 I've yet to try the larger size un-insulated, but plan on buying one to 
 store under the down-tube in the third bottle cage of my Atlantis. I think 
 Velo Orange just released a new cage for these. I've seen photos of other 
 people fitting these bottles down there, should work. Alternatively you 
 could just keep it in your saddle bag, or strap some cages to your fork 
 legs, like how the Salsa Fargo's, Pugsleys, etc have. 





 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:08:39 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick 
 wrote:

 What is your experience with insulated/uninsulated Klean Kanteen 
 bottles. Has anyone used the insulated as a camping mug? Used the 
 single-walled one as your water boiling pot? Carried a 40 or 64 oz one in 
 the velcro on/Irish strap secured cage manner?

 More details:

 I am now converting to using Klean Kanteen bottles (from the “glass” 
 lined things Specialized makes) after 2/3rd of my bottles popped out of my 
 standard cages last fall and I need to replace then anyway, as well as 
 hearing the reports from folks here of how much better Iris cages hold 
 bottles on trails, washboard, etc.

 Between insulated and single-walled, and the larger bottles there seem 
 to be some great options for various uses., I’m thinking:

 (1) insulated 20 oz. bottle: mostly to help keep things cool in summer 
 (I drink very little when it’s below freezing, and so seldom that it would 
 be frozen anyway on a longer ride, without being inside my jacket. Also as 
 my coffee/tea mug when bikepacking.

 (2) uninsulated 28 oz. bottle: for daily ride increased volume of 
 capacity, and for boiling water over the firebox when bikepacking.

 (1) uninsulated 40 or 64 oz. with velcro on cage using Irish straps to 
 secure it for bikepacking and extra water capacity. Suggestions on wear to 
 strap this beastie?

 On the Hunqapillar, this gives me up to 76 oz. for daily rides, 140 oz. 
 capacity for bikepacking (plus a 100 oz bladder if

[RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

2015-02-25 Thread RoadieRyan

I did with this with my all rounder bike, a Handsome Devil, about 3 years 
ago and have not looked back.  With a 36t crank and an 11-36 9 speed 
cassette I have the range I need for getting around my hilly neighborhood 
with out fussing with a FD.  I bought a Paul's chain keeper but have 
never mounted it as I have never had an issue with the chain dropping.  
Enjoy.  

On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 10:44:25 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Still restless this winter, with spectacular weather outside but not able 
 to ride anywhere near as much as I would like.  Normally I'd work out my 
 anxieties and frustration with another build project, but my garage is 
 packed, so I look for problems that don't exist and fix them.  
 #firstworldproblems

 This week's sideshow was something I've been thinking about since a really 
 intriguing BQ test article about the SRAM CX1 group.  That's a 1x11 setup.  
 I was curious, so I went ahead and bought a wide/narrow chainring and 
 converted my A. Homer Hilsen to a 1x9.  42 in front, 11-32 in back.  I 
 think it looks pretty slick.  Fortunately, I was able to run the chainring 
 backwards (middle position) so I don't have to look at gaudy RaceFace 
 graphics with the standard drivetrain shot.  

 I did it just because I felt like it.  Some people that means that I 
 shouldn't have done it, but I did.  So there. 

 PICTURES  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157650568831338/prove 
 that I don't mind working pointlessly.  I still like working.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA


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[RBW] Re: Looking for North Coast beta: Lost Coast loop

2015-02-25 Thread Ant Ritchey

I believe you and your crew are shootin' for a different route than I'm 
familiar with but I found THIS PAGE 
http://northcoastbikerides.blogspot.com/2011/08/lost-coast-tour.html very 
helpful.

I was in the midst of a solo jaunt from Portland to SF and had taken the 
day off in Eureka.  On a whim decided to go Lost Coast/Usal Road to link 
back up with Highway 1 using little more than the Adventure Cycling map and 
a few notes jotted down from this fellow's site.  Seems like his rig was a 
traditional rando set up.  I went Atlantis w/ 700x42.  I spent the night at 
A W Way  Usal Beach campground.  Hands down my favorite part of the 
trip...enjoy!


On Friday, February 20, 2015 at 11:51:58 AM UTC-8, Neil wrote:

 Hey all -  a couple pals and I intend to ride the Tour of the Unknown 
 Coast route over 3 days in late May. I'm looking for any info on camping 
 and supplies, and any don't-miss spots along the way. We're taking 3 days/2 
 nights to ride about 100 miles, so we'll have lots of time for side-trips 
 and general corn-doggin'. Any and all recomendos and advice welcome!

 Cheers,

 Neil




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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

Excellent, Liesl! Thank you for the great report. Yeah, I'm thinking of 
going with a wire cone/bandanna filter system, which would make the 
pre-ground coffee system wondrously small and something I would actually 
take and use. I love the aeropress, but it is on the bulky side for ultra 
compact (I can't really say ultralight when I'm hauling that firebox around 
with a hatchet. Grin.).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:57:27 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Deacon Patrick!

 Erin and I have used the 18 ounce insulated KK as a mug for a bunch of 
 years at this point—at least 5.  Camping, biking, overseas, air travel, car 
 travel, boring conferences, etc.  We've both come to regard them as 
 constant companions.  About 3 years ago while we were in the Boundary 
 Waters, Erin's rolled off and bounced down a 30 foot cliff into a lake.  
 She retrieved it and found a 2-3 inch dent but no damage to threads, etc, 
 so she still uses it regularly.  The spot where the dent is doesn't 
 insulate so well any more (you can feel hot/cold through it) so overall it 
 doesn't keep things hot for as long as my undented one does, but this 
 doesn't bother her.

 I agree about the coffee lid being not at all spill proof, but I do find 
 it handy in the car.  My favorite lid has a metal ring that flips up and 
 down; makes the unit more compact. The ring, though, is noisy in a water 
 bottle cage on a bike; the standard lid wouldn't be.

 I drink coffee with cream in it, and if it goes for 8+ hours without a 
 rinse, it can get funky.  Suggestions for funk reduction:  always take a 
 moment to rinse it as soon as you can.  Use a wash cloth or similar when 
 you wash it.  Occasionally remove the silicone gasket in the lid and clean 
 it.  Occasionally let it stand overnight with a bleach/water solution.  
 Erin drinks tea with no dairy in hers, and doesn't have funk issues.

 My only real nit is that an Aeropress is too big to fit on the opening.  
 So my main morning mug at home and occasionally when I travel is a 
 double-walled Snowpeak 600 mug, which does work with an Aeropress.

 Hope this is helpful.
 -rcw


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[RBW] NYT blog entry: Should Athletes Eat Fat or Carbs? [EBDJ related]

2015-02-25 Thread Robert F. Harrison

I saw this today on the NYT site and thought some here might find it
interesting.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/should-athletes-eat-fat-or-carbs

It doesn't say much that folks who've read EBDJ won't be familiar with. The
80% fat bit seems a bit more than I'm willing to do. I do track what I eat
and as far as I can tell my normal weekly split is about 60-65% fat, 20-25%
protein, and the rest in carbs. But I'm not a performance athlete nor am I
interested in becoming one; although I am biking and walking an average of
15+ miles a day so far this year (mostly commuting and errand running).

Aloha,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

Here's the firebox I use:
http://www.fireboxstove.com/5-inch-folding-firebox

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Ooo I'm going to have to try that one day!

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Very exacting technique is required to boil water in a KK:

 1. fill water into brushed stainless bottle.
 2. place bottle on or above heat source (try this at home kids!)
 3. wait for it to boil
 4. use gloves or pot holder (tangier works well) to prevent cooking your 
 hands when removing bottle.
 5. prepare favorite hit beverage for yourself and all your friends.
 6. allow the warmth of the sun stored in the fuel you burned to warm you 
 as you sip your favorite hot beverage.

 Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:04:13 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Can you elaborate on this?

 I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting to the 
 conversion now.

 Is there something special you've got to do to use a K.K. as a pot? 

 I doubt you'd ever torque the bottle mounts off. You could definitely 
 break a bottle cage though. The straps/velcro seem like a good idea.

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com 
 wrote:

 Thanks, Mark. Yes, I'd be using the brushed stainless uninsulated 
 bottle as my pot. I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting to 
 the conversion now. For the mug, I'd just be drinking out of the insulated 
 metal bottle (removing the standard top). I'd be getting the sport top for 
 the two uninsulated 28 oz. bottles.

 My main concern with the 40 or 64 oz. bottles (I'm thinking the 64 will 
 fit just in front of the rear tire on/behind the seat post tube.) is the 
 weight torquing the bottle mounts off, even with additional straps. That's 
 what I like about the velcro option is that with rubber tubing under it is 
 should be fairly stable, but also not have a frame welded failure point.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:30:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Patrick,

 I use both these on a daily basis, have been for about six months 
 straight now. 

 I use the 27oz/800ml for water. Never tried using it for boiling. Am I 
 understanding you correctly that you would use the actual bottle as your 
 boiling pot? I Couldn't do that as I have painted/colored bottles. That'd 
 get nasty. I suppose with the unpainted ones you could probably do that, 
 provided you had some thick gloves to pick it up. Anyway, no complaints. 
 I 
 love them actually. Drinking water from a wide-mouth bottle is delightful 
 after squeezing water through a spout.

 I use the insulated ones as coffee mugs. Klean Kanteen makes a 
 HORRIBLE coffee lid which will turn it into a nice mug. I say horrible 
 because it is in no way close to leak proof. Just walking around with it 
 can cause leaks. But if you're just sitting around having a cup, no 
 problem. I'm sipping coffee from one as I type actually. 

 They come with a 'normal' lid, which is great and 100% leak proof. I 
 can keep my coffee hot for 8 hours with that lid. 

 I did experience an odd after-taste with the insulated ones, which 
 lasted for about two weeks. It's totally gone now. A few good scrubs and 
 a 
 lot of coffee cured it of that. 

 I've yet to try the larger size un-insulated, but plan on buying one 
 to store under the down-tube in the third bottle cage of my Atlantis. I 
 think Velo Orange just released a new cage for these. I've seen photos of 
 other people fitting these bottles down there, should work. Alternatively 
 you could just keep it in your saddle bag, or strap some cages to your 
 fork 
 legs, like how the Salsa Fargo's, Pugsleys, etc have. 





 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:08:39 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick 
 wrote:

 What is your experience with insulated/uninsulated Klean Kanteen 
 bottles. Has anyone used the insulated as a camping mug? Used the 
 single-walled one as your water boiling pot? Carried a 40 or 64 oz one 
 in 
 the velcro on/Irish strap secured cage manner?

 More details:

 I am now converting to using Klean Kanteen bottles (from the “glass” 
 lined things Specialized makes) after 2/3rd of my bottles popped out of 
 my 
 standard cages last fall and I need to replace then anyway, as well as 
 hearing the reports from folks here of how much better Iris cages hold 
 bottles on trails, washboard, etc.

 Between insulated and single-walled, and the larger bottles there 
 seem to be some great options for various uses., I’m thinking:

 (1) insulated 20 oz. bottle: mostly to help keep things cool in 
 summer (I drink very little when it’s below freezing, and so seldom that 
 it 
 would be frozen anyway on a longer ride, without being inside my jacket. 
 Also as my coffee/tea mug when bikepacking.

 (2) uninsulated 28 oz. bottle: for daily ride increased volume of 
 capacity, and for boiling water over

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Matthew J

The body and the riding style must have some play in this as well.

Presumably many of the loaded cycle touring Europeans one sees on the 
Eurovelo routes are riding multi-day.  They probably do not ride a full 
100+km every day and likely stop more frequently than someone attempting a 
timed ride will.  Nonetheless it immediately jumps out at this U.S. 
person's eyes how many of them are not wearing cycle specific anything.

Lycra, Spandex, cycle shoes, etc are certainly available in Europe.  Euro 
road racing club members are just as likely to be wearing full race gear as 
those in the U.S.  Tourists however consistently hew to the GP ideal. 
 Either they are all masochists or they have discovered a happy medium many 
cycle tourists in the U.S. have not.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

Solution for aeropress! - Use the step-down funnel it comes with. I make
coffee in my insulated bottle everyday with an Aeropress. Works perfectly!



On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 Hi Deacon Patrick!

 Erin and I have used the 18 ounce insulated KK as a mug for a bunch of
 years at this point—at least 5.  Camping, biking, overseas, air travel, car
 travel, boring conferences, etc.  We've both come to regard them as
 constant companions.  About 3 years ago while we were in the Boundary
 Waters, Erin's rolled off and bounced down a 30 foot cliff into a lake.
 She retrieved it and found a 2-3 inch dent but no damage to threads, etc,
 so she still uses it regularly.  The spot where the dent is doesn't
 insulate so well any more (you can feel hot/cold through it) so overall it
 doesn't keep things hot for as long as my undented one does, but this
 doesn't bother her.

 I agree about the coffee lid being not at all spill proof, but I do find
 it handy in the car.  My favorite lid has a metal ring that flips up and
 down; makes the unit more compact. The ring, though, is noisy in a water
 bottle cage on a bike; the standard lid wouldn't be.

 I drink coffee with cream in it, and if it goes for 8+ hours without a
 rinse, it can get funky.  Suggestions for funk reduction:  always take a
 moment to rinse it as soon as you can.  Use a wash cloth or similar when
 you wash it.  Occasionally remove the silicone gasket in the lid and clean
 it.  Occasionally let it stand overnight with a bleach/water solution.
 Erin drinks tea with no dairy in hers, and doesn't have funk issues.

 My only real nit is that an Aeropress is too big to fit on the opening.
 So my main morning mug at home and occasionally when I travel is a
 double-walled Snowpeak 600 mug, which does work with an Aeropress.

 Hope this is helpful.
 -rcw

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

2015-02-25 Thread Bill Lindsay

Darn it!  False advertising.  My apologies, Anton.  Your part of the 
country seems fantastic.  I hope to roll through there sometime.  Your 
photos of the region are beyond inspiring. 

Bill

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:56:48 AM UTC-8, Anton Tutter wrote:

 When I first saw this thread title, I got excited because I thought it 
 might have to do with my little corner of the Catskill Mountains, in 
 Delaware County, NY (named after the Delaware River, which begins there and 
 flows to Delaware State via Pennsylvania). Then I read that it was in 
 reference to Delaware State, a place I have never been. Oh well.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_River

 Anton Tutter

 ridingthecatskills.com


 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 1:58:50 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Thread started with explanation

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:24:08 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  What is this “Delaware Gear” of which you speak?  As a long-time 
 Delawarean, I feel embarrassingly ignorant!

  

 *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:20 PM
 *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

  
  
 I am in no way tempted to run a single speed and definitely not fixed. 
  There are just too many steep climbs in my life.  My double speed with a 
 52 low gear allows me to mash up my every single day climb home.  The 67 
 high gear lets me spin away on the flats at a speed that will eventually 
 get me there.  If I had only a 67 gear the bike would be unusable to me 
 because I'd have to walk home the last mile and a half of every ride.  If I 
 had only a 52 fixed I'd be miserable trying to pedal down in the first 
 place.  
  
  
  
 What this 1x9 does have me noodling over is the ultimate Delaware 
 Gear.  It's late February and we haven't had any really nasty arguments, 
 so I'll start a new thread titled In search of the Delaware Gear and see 
 how many people I can piss off.  Sharpen your claws, kitties!

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:14:05 AM UTC-8, Kieran J wrote:
  
 Bill, if you start talking about getting a unicycle, we'll start to 
 worry..
  
  
  
 KJ

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:05:39 AM UTC-5, ted wrote:

 Which in turn is a gateway to fixed.

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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

2015-02-25 Thread velomann

I use the KK bottles all the time now, insulated and uninsulated. My 
personal favorite is the smallest size 12 oz insulated bottle. It's what I 
brew into for the Coffee Outside excursions, and I find generally the 
perfect size for when I'm not sharing coffee. We also have the next two 
larger sizes that get regular use in my family. And I agree that they mate 
well with the Iris cages. I also carry the 20oz insulated bottle in my Iris 
cage, though I haven't done a lot of gravel/trail riding with this set up 
so can't guarantee a full 20oz won't rattle out. But it seems snug.

I also really really like the Snowpeak double wall titanium mugs. The 300 
and 450 have nice lids, but these are's hook on your bike travel thermoses, 
but carry in your front bag awesomeness. My personal favorite right now - 
which I hear may be discontinued - is the 200 size without handle. It has a 
feel in the hand that's about perfect IMHO. Like 
this: 
http://snowpeak.com/products/ti-double-h200-stacking-mug-tw-124?variant=671161349

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[RBW] Re: Adopted a stray

2015-02-25 Thread Wayne Naha

A beautiful bike!  I would so love to have gotten it, but it was simply too 
big for me.  Can't wait for more pics!  Congratulations on scoring a 
wonderful ride.

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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Well, I've just typed out and deleted about four different comments to this 
thread.  None of them did anything other than unearth and compound 
arguments.  Rather than rehash and empower those, I found myself stepping 
back and considering perspectives in the original-letter-to-the-editor's 
communication which seem consistent to others who have voiced similar 
opinions over the years. 

One thing is that they make it sound as if Grant has taken this position in 
order to sell more bikes/clothing/gear.  That it is somehow inconsistent 
with his true nature, as put on as a fallen film-star's contrition. 

Another is that his position is binary.  Either/Or.  My Way/Highway. 

A third is that it is proven wrong through a single counter-example.  

It finds ramparts and entrenchments where many of us see only expansive 
fields.  Suggests battle lines which would put many of us at odds with 
ourselves. 

Many folks need no inducement to roll out and cover the miles. It's 
unlikely the book (or other writings) were offered for them.  The more time 
you've spent riding, the more you have fallen and learned, both 
metaphorically and literally. It's a natural process to leave behind those 
things which do not help.  It's needless weight on the climb of our life.  

Many folks need a hand up, a push on the saddle, an offering of a required 
tool, a draftable figure in a challenging headwind.  A different route 
through the forest. 

Doesn't make either way right or wrong.  Take what you will.  Leave what 
you don't require.

- Jim 

cyclofiend.com 

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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

2015-02-25 Thread Bob E

Patrick,
 
I use the KK 20-oz. insulated bottle; it does tend to fall out of 
those standard bottle cages -- it's bounced along the road a few times 
and has the dings to show for it -- but it's pretty resilient and it has 
held up well. In the Iris cage, however, it is very secure -- it hasn't 
popped out yet over various road and trail surfaces.
 
Bob E

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Anne Paulson

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addisonwilh...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore, while I
 can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the
 niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called.  I
 just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also
 accept the benefits of a fatter tire


Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of one of
my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a moderate pace,
and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and I'll be
riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 mm, other
than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock hard.
Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found anything else
that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie jerseys with
sublimated graphics.

There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for
camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases
well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old
Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no
trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has
shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is
wrong and she needs a different one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

2015-02-25 Thread Anton Tutter

When I first saw this thread title, I got excited because I thought it 
might have to do with my little corner of the Catskill Mountains, in 
Delaware County, NY (named after the Delaware River, which begins there and 
flows to Delaware State via Pennsylvania). Then I read that it was in 
reference to Delaware State, a place I have never been. Oh well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_River

Anton Tutter

ridingthecatskills.com


On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 1:58:50 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Thread started with explanation

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 10:24:08 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  What is this “Delaware Gear” of which you speak?  As a long-time 
 Delawarean, I feel embarrassingly ignorant!

  

 *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] 
 *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:20 PM
 *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

  
  
 I am in no way tempted to run a single speed and definitely not fixed. 
  There are just too many steep climbs in my life.  My double speed with a 
 52 low gear allows me to mash up my every single day climb home.  The 67 
 high gear lets me spin away on the flats at a speed that will eventually 
 get me there.  If I had only a 67 gear the bike would be unusable to me 
 because I'd have to walk home the last mile and a half of every ride.  If I 
 had only a 52 fixed I'd be miserable trying to pedal down in the first 
 place.  
  
  
  
 What this 1x9 does have me noodling over is the ultimate Delaware Gear. 
  It's late February and we haven't had any really nasty arguments, so I'll 
 start a new thread titled In search of the Delaware Gear and see how many 
 people I can piss off.  Sharpen your claws, kitties!

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:14:05 AM UTC-8, Kieran J wrote:
  
 Bill, if you start talking about getting a unicycle, we'll start to 
 worry..
  
  
  
 KJ

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 7:05:39 AM UTC-5, ted wrote:

 Which in turn is a gateway to fixed.

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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Jim, that's fair enough.  Whatever works is the correct solution, but even 
that is subjective and personal - what works for one doesn't work for 
another and vise-versa.  

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 11:39:52 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 Well, I've just typed out and deleted about four different comments to 
 this thread.  None of them did anything other than unearth and compound 
 arguments.  Rather than rehash and empower those, I found myself stepping 
 back and considering perspectives in the original-letter-to-the-editor's 
 communication which seem consistent to others who have voiced similar 
 opinions over the years. 

 One thing is that they make it sound as if Grant has taken this position 
 in order to sell more bikes/clothing/gear.  That it is somehow inconsistent 
 with his true nature, as put on as a fallen film-star's contrition. 

 Another is that his position is binary.  Either/Or.  My Way/Highway. 

 A third is that it is proven wrong through a single counter-example.  

 It finds ramparts and entrenchments where many of us see only expansive 
 fields.  Suggests battle lines which would put many of us at odds with 
 ourselves. 

 Many folks need no inducement to roll out and cover the miles. It's 
 unlikely the book (or other writings) were offered for them.  The more time 
 you've spent riding, the more you have fallen and learned, both 
 metaphorically and literally. It's a natural process to leave behind those 
 things which do not help.  It's needless weight on the climb of our life.  

 Many folks need a hand up, a push on the saddle, an offering of a required 
 tool, a draftable figure in a challenging headwind.  A different route 
 through the forest. 

 Doesn't make either way right or wrong.  Take what you will.  Leave what 
 you don't require.

 - Jim 

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[RBW] Planning first longish bike tour in Oregon. Suggestions?

Hi friends,

So I've mentioned in other posts that I plan to ride the Oregon Outback 
this year, May 22-24. As luck would have it, I've managed to secure the 
full week prior off from work, as well as a day or two after. So now I'm 
looking to fly out to Portland on May 16th, and leave on the 26th. That's 
lots of time for riding!

My friends will be landing in Portland on May 20th and plan to take the 
train to Klamath Falls on the 21st, which I'll accompany them on. We'll 
ride the O.O., then ride from the finish back to Portland on the 25th and 
fly home the next morning. 

So that leaves me with May 16th (afternoon) to the evening of May 20 to do 
some touring. 

For those in Oregon, what would you suggest I ride with five days? 

For what it's worth, I would love to be able to...:
- See/camp by the ocean. I live in the dead centre of the continent. The 
ocean is a real treat for me.
- Get at least a couple nice climbs in. Again, it's flat here. I'd like to 
see some elevation (but not 'too' much hah, I'm a prairie boy)
- Spend as much time as possible off the major highways. I'll be on the 
Atlantis with 2.1 tires and a light setup. Gravel, trails, fire roads, 
whatever. I'm game for all of that. I'll have a GPS with me.
- I also love bridges and ferries. Always take the opportunity to ride a 
ferry if you can. It just adds that 'certain something' to a trip in my 
opinion.

I've considered riding to Astoria and doing a Northern loop. Also thought 
about taking the train South on the 16th, riding closer to Klamath and 
meeting the guys there instead. It's all open to discussion. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

2015-02-25 Thread Liesl

Hi Deacon Patrick!

Erin and I have used the 18 ounce insulated KK as a mug for a bunch of 
years at this point—at least 5.  Camping, biking, overseas, air travel, car 
travel, boring conferences, etc.  We've both come to regard them as 
constant companions.  About 3 years ago while we were in the Boundary 
Waters, Erin's rolled off and bounced down a 30 foot cliff into a lake.  
She retrieved it and found a 2-3 inch dent but no damage to threads, etc, 
so she still uses it regularly.  The spot where the dent is doesn't 
insulate so well any more (you can feel hot/cold through it) so overall it 
doesn't keep things hot for as long as my undented one does, but this 
doesn't bother her.

I agree about the coffee lid being not at all spill proof, but I do find 
it handy in the car.  My favorite lid has a metal ring that flips up and 
down; makes the unit more compact. The ring, though, is noisy in a water 
bottle cage on a bike; the standard lid wouldn't be.

I drink coffee with cream in it, and if it goes for 8+ hours without a 
rinse, it can get funky.  Suggestions for funk reduction:  always take a 
moment to rinse it as soon as you can.  Use a wash cloth or similar when 
you wash it.  Occasionally remove the silicone gasket in the lid and clean 
it.  Occasionally let it stand overnight with a bleach/water solution.  
Erin drinks tea with no dairy in hers, and doesn't have funk issues.

My only real nit is that an Aeropress is too big to fit on the opening.  So 
my main morning mug at home and occasionally when I travel is a 
double-walled Snowpeak 600 mug, which does work with an Aeropress.

Hope this is helpful.
-rcw

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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

2015-02-25 Thread Liesl

Mike, thanks for most excellent funnel tip for the Areopress!  And yes, the 
Snowpeak stacking cups are fantastic (and hard to find and pricey).  

Correction:  ours are the 12 ounce size.  Rarely if ever feel like I need a 
bigger size and like the more compact size for a backpack, 
trunksack/keven's bag etc.

Deacon Patrick, I like the wire cone/bandanna model; might try it.  I think 
when one carries some heavy stuff, it's nice to carry some ultra light 
stuff too so it all balances out in the wash.

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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Well, I've just typed out and deleted about four different comments to this 
thread.  None of them did anything other than unearth and compound 
arguments.  Rather than rehash and empower those, I found myself stepping 
back and considering perspectives in the original-letter-to-the-editor's 
communication which seem consistent to others who have voiced similar 
opinions over the years. 

One thing is that they make it sound as if Grant has taken this position in 
order to sell more bikes/clothing/gear.  That it is somehow inconsistent 
with his true nature, as put on as a fallen film-star's contrition. 

Another is that his position is binary.  Either/Or.  My Way/Highway. 

A third is that it is proven wrong through a single counter-example.  

It finds ramparts and entrenchments where many of us see only expansive 
fields.  Suggests battle lines which would put many of us at odds with 
ourselves. 

Many folks need no inducement to roll out and cover the miles. It's 
unlikely the book (or other writings) were offered for them.  The more time 
you've spent riding, the more you have fallen and learned, both 
metaphorically and literally. It's a natural process to leave behind those 
things which do not help.  It's needless weight on the climb of our life.  

Many folks need a hand up, a push on the saddle, an offering of a required 
tool, a draftable figure in a challenging headwind.  A different route 
through the forest. 

Doesn't make either way right or wrong.  Take what you will.  Leave what 
don't require.

- Jim 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

someone will explain to her that her bike is wrong

cue *forehead smacking into desk*

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com
wrote:



 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addisonwilh...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore, while I
 can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the
 niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called.  I
 just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also
 accept the benefits of a fatter tire


 Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of one
 of my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a moderate
 pace, and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and I'll
 be riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 mm,
 other than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock
 hard.  Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found anything
 else that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie jerseys
 with sublimated graphics.

 There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for
 camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases
 well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old
 Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no
 trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has
 shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is
 wrong and she needs a different one.

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[RBW] FS: FSA Metropolis Patterson crankset for your Quickbeam

2015-02-25 Thread qwerty

Hi Folks,
Awhile back these cranks were discussed here as an option for a front
shift on Quickbeams.  I purchased this one and used it for a short
while, but have since converted to another setup.  Thought there might
be interest on here since there are a number of you with Quickbeams (
ot other SS setups).  This crank offers the equivalent of a 28t and
45t double with a simple shifter of about any type.  The beauty is
that there's no derailleurs needed or moving the wheel in the
dropouts.  Shifting on the go...

Asking $150 plus shipping.
Photos at:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/55639583@N04/sets/72157650969330046/

Everything included (except standard BB installation tools), including
instructions.  I mainly used the installation instructions on the
website with success.
http://pattersonbike.com/patterson-bike-videos/

I also have a few shifter options if you might be interested in any of
those as well.

Thanks,
Mike Gillespie

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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

I loved that squeeking mouse at the base of a big waterfall image myself, 
and am thankful to Grant for being that mouse (and for the internet that 
helps the squeak for far!) for helping me find the fun in biking and even 
for making biking possible for me (the other frames I rode took a lot of 
brain energy to overcome their poor design -- a big deal for me, having a 
bludgeoned brain).

I save all kinds of brain energy because of Grant's challenging the status 
quo and my unquestioned adherence to it:

-- Ride in what I'm wearing, so not need to change. Brain energy saved!
-- Riding without a helmet isn't reckless, it can be an intelligent choice. 
(Weight rattling about on my head consumed a LOT of brain energy)
-- Bike frame geometry and handlebars and everything else moves and flows 
well with the human body. Brain energy saved!
-- wide tires, less bounding, better ride, brain energy saved!
-- who knows what I'm forgetting?!

Barring externals, I gain brain energy when I ride, and that is huge!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] FS: FSA Metropolis Patterson crankset for your Quickbeam

2015-02-25 Thread qwerty

Patrick,
It worked well for me during my short experiment.  I didn't notice any
drag in either of the two ratios.  I can't really speak about chain
slop since I didn't use it in fixed gear mode (and not sure I would
recommend it for that, given the stresses involved).  I can say there
is less drag than I've experienced with my SA S3X, which I'm using
currently.

I was initially hoping to combine this with a 2sd kickback hub, but
this didn't work out for that since it basicly freewheels in the back
pedal which is needed for initiating the gear change in the hub.

Mike

On 2/25/15, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 How well do those things work? Do you notice drag? Is there drivetrain
 slop? Is there more drag or less than with hub gears? I wonder if there is
 less, since -- this is a question -- wouldn't the upgeared character of a
 hub gear also upgear the drag?

 I think such gear systems are very interesting -- I know about the German
 or Swiss one that has been on the market for years (forget name, though)
 and didn't know that there were others available. (Sorry, not interested
 for myself, but interested in learning more about it.)

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:03 AM, qwerty mike.gilles...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 Awhile back these cranks were discussed here as an option for a front
 shift on Quickbeams.  I purchased this one and used it for a short
 while, but have since converted to another setup.  Thought there might
 be interest on here since there are a number of you with Quickbeams (
 ot other SS setups).  This crank offers the equivalent of a 28t and
 45t double with a simple shifter of about any type.  The beauty is
 that there's no derailleurs needed or moving the wheel in the
 dropouts.  Shifting on the go...

 Asking $150 plus shipping.
 Photos at:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/55639583@N04/sets/72157650969330046/

 Everything included (except standard BB installation tools), including
 instructions.  I mainly used the installation instructions on the
 website with success.
 http://pattersonbike.com/patterson-bike-videos/

 I also have a few shifter options if you might be interested in any of
 those as well.

 Thanks,
 Mike Gillespie

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Paul and Jim: from what I observe around me in ABQ, NM, which is a
cycling-enthusiast city, is that there are all kinds of riders riding all
kinds of things, but I see more than a few fat middle aged people slowly
riding carbon fiber racing bikes in tight lycra kit on the bike path. Now
that may be their own choice, and if so, more power to them, but the
phenomenon of plainly less-than-optimally fit riders equipped with racing,
or at least, looks-like-racing gear, is there for all to see.

I think Grant is often somewhat intemperate in his assertions, but then he
is also a small voice in a big, loud world, and there is thus some excuse
for that.

FWIW: the 5 bike shops nearest my house, in order of proximity, and their
stocks:

ABQ Bicycle: family store, mostly kids, hybrids, fixies (at least, during
the fad), a few recumbents, a few tricycles. Displays various ancient DL-1s
and cousins.

Fat Tire Cycles: a very big store with a wide array from top end racing
thru cruisers and hybrids to top end mountain bikes; Surlys, too.

Hawk's Tri-Cycle: Mostly tri and racing, but some family stuff.

Stevie's Happy Bikes: A family shop: mostly hybrids, city bikes, cruisers,
mountain bikes, and old cool stuff.

High Desert Bicycles: Mostly high end racing and mtb.

(All -- tho' I don't know Hawk's very well -- give good to excellent repair
and upgrade service; they know how to order weird old parts for a '58
Herse, for example.)

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:16 PM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 4:57:32 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Why?  Why, over and over again?  Because the racing philosophy has the
 mainstream and the LBS.  And it's not what serves most causal riders best,
 and I applaud Grant for calling them out for it.
 We all have seen at the LBS the times when some racerish young LBS
 employee is trying to fit an older person onto a racerish bike, that will
 not be well served by said bike.  Why is this what's in the mainstream?


 I just got off the phone with three representative LBS's.  I asked them
 all the same thing:  I'm going to send my 58-year-old neighbor in to see
 you.  He has average fitness, not bad, hikes on the weekend, hasn't ridden
 a bike since college.  He wants to start riding on weekends, maybe work up
 riding more regularly.  What kind of bike do you think he should look at
 first?  The shops were Black Mountain Bicycles, a large Specialized
 dealer, the Performance near my house, and the Trek Super Store nearest to
 my house.

 All three gave me the same answer: a flat bar road hybrid.  None said,
 well, duh, a racing bicycle, of course, with drop bars three inches below
 the saddle!  Then I asked about what tires would come with the bikes.  Both
 the Trek and Specialized stores said, somewhere between 32 and 38.  The guy
 at Performance said, 28 at the narrowest, but more likely 32 or 35.  Two of
 the three asked if I knew whether my friend had back or neck pain, and both
 suggested my friend should start off with something pretty upright.  The
 guy at Performance said, well, I'd really have to talk to him to find out
 what he wants to do with the bike.

 So, are those answers OK with you, Jim?  How big a sample do I need to
 persuade you that stereotyping the industry, LBS's, and a group of
 cyclists, has the same value as other stereotypes?  By the way, do you know
 what bike shops make the most money on, the largest margins?  Rubber and
 softgoods.  If LBS's are as stupid and singleminded as you and, apparently,
 Grant think they are, and if they are pushing bikes that will make people
 uncomfortable, tell me, do you think their customers will come back and buy
 rubber and softgoods?  Will their customers be excited about riding, and
 bring their friends in to buy bikes?

 Do I think the racerish sale has ever happened?  Of course I know that it
 has.  There are poor salespeople, making inappropriate sales, in every
 industry.  However, tarring the bicycle industry, and a significant group
 of its members, all with the same brush, is not productive, and does not
 reflect well on the speaker.  The whole nonsense of making an entire group
 of people wrong so that you can feel superior just needs to stop.  And I
 gotta tell you, I've never heard any of the racer-y people I know say,
 those people on lugged steel bikes with alba bars sure are stupid and
 brainwashed.

 I refer again to Norma's last paragraph.  Clearly, she has gotten an
 impression about Grant and about his positions, and it's not a positive
 impression.  I'm betting that she is in fact a nice person, and not a
 stupid one.  And, she's a cyclist!  However she arrived at her impression
 of Grant ... well, you draw your own conclusions.

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Re: [RBW] FS: FSA Metropolis Patterson crankset for your Quickbeam

How well do those things work? Do you notice drag? Is there drivetrain
slop? Is there more drag or less than with hub gears? I wonder if there is
less, since -- this is a question -- wouldn't the upgeared character of a
hub gear also upgear the drag?

I think such gear systems are very interesting -- I know about the German
or Swiss one that has been on the market for years (forget name, though)
and didn't know that there were others available. (Sorry, not interested
for myself, but interested in learning more about it.)

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:03 AM, qwerty mike.gilles...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 Awhile back these cranks were discussed here as an option for a front
 shift on Quickbeams.  I purchased this one and used it for a short
 while, but have since converted to another setup.  Thought there might
 be interest on here since there are a number of you with Quickbeams (
 ot other SS setups).  This crank offers the equivalent of a 28t and
 45t double with a simple shifter of about any type.  The beauty is
 that there's no derailleurs needed or moving the wheel in the
 dropouts.  Shifting on the go...

 Asking $150 plus shipping.
 Photos at:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/55639583@N04/sets/72157650969330046/

 Everything included (except standard BB installation tools), including
 instructions.  I mainly used the installation instructions on the
 website with success.
 http://pattersonbike.com/patterson-bike-videos/

 I also have a few shifter options if you might be interested in any of
 those as well.

 Thanks,
 Mike Gillespie

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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread drew beckmeyer

well said jim. 
i think a rational skeptic's eye put to either side shows that a lot of the 
gear and the clothes and the style is more about taste than black and white 
better or worse. i definitely wont wear lycra for a host of reasons, but i 
also sometimes roll my eyes at seersucker knickers or whatever. i think to 
deny that there is chest puffery, machismo and judgement used to make 
people buy things they don't really need in the mainstream bike world is 
silly. i feel it whenever i go into a bike shop. i imagine that the guy in 
a lesser spandex suit feels it when the guy on a lighter bike and better 
spandex is next to him. i feel it on bikeforums. sometimes, though rarely, 
i feel it in rivendell related stuff.

the reason i bought a rivendell is because it felt like opting out of the 
system. getting quality, longevity, attractiveness in the process. i think 
rivendell, and the numerous companies that it has paved the way for, are 
really hitting that niche of people who have been turned off by being 
talked down to, peer pressured into getting something ridiculous (i bought 
a track bike once marketed as a commuter) and people who now avoid group 
rides. the fact that you see so many crappy linus bikes around tells me 
that the major brands have sort of lost touch with the normal bike rider, 
and people are feeling more and more ok about rejecting that paradigm. 

i dont need a fast bike, because im not a fast rider. that being said, i 
like some of them. i'd like to be able to understand some of the newer 
components and how they work. if i understood them, maybe i would buy 
one... probably not, but i dont know. i cant learn that information in a 
comfortable/equal footing sort of way. most bike people i come in contact 
with have a chip on their shoulder about one thing or another. grant and 
the rivendell people/website and people on this group have a super 
appealing, easy going way of explaining things, explaining their motive, 
explaining the pros and cons, and being transparent about other options out 
there.  ive learned a lot. ive never felt like i was bothering anyone. and 
hell, if you don't like those explanations, every other bike shop in 
america sells the other explanation. its not like lycra and carbon are 
being phased out because of rivendell. 



On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 1:08:44 PM UTC-8, Jon in the foothills of 
Central Colorado wrote:

 In the new Adventure Cyclist Mag

 PETERSEN RESPONDS TO READER

 LETTER ‘UNRACING? UNCOOL’

 Racing attitudes, bikes, clothing,

 and diets have become the norm and

 normal, and are so pervasive that many

 adult cyclists, maybe even some you

 know, accept the racing standards as

 the only legitimate way to be a serious

 adult cyclist. What I tried to do in the

 book *Just Ride *— and what we do here

 at Rivendell Bicycle Works — is offer

 an alternative, a model to other adult

 cyclists that there is another way. This

 letter is not an ad for either. I’m simply

 saying where I come from and what I

 do.

 We are the mice trying to squeak

 above the roar at the base of the

 waterfall. It is no time to be wishywashy,

 but I try hard to not offend.

 Inevitably, a declarative position on

 any matter is bound to raise a few

 hackles with those who have a different

 position, but it still hurts to be judged

 by a stranger who would probably like

 me, and whom I’d surely like, in person.

 A good number of our customers are

 middle-aged and older folks trying to

 fit in some activity as they age. They

 often have the means, and they’re

 influenced by what they read and see

 that promotes racers as a good model —

 and that’s something I don’t agree with.

 They shop as innocents and come

 out of it dressed like racers and riding

 bikes that are not only inappropriate

 for the kind of riding they do, but are,

 on top of that and more egregiously, not

 comfortable. We undo that. You may

 see ego or evil behind it, but I don’t

 feel either of those. I see racing and

 racers as fringe and am simply trying

 to legitimize an alternative point of

 view, one that I feel strongly about. I’m

 trying — certainly not singlehandedly —

 to make people feel good about riding

 without dressing in pro-team gear and

 copying so many other affectations of

 the racer, and that is what Unracing and

 *Just Ride *and Rivendell Bicycle Works is

 all about. We’re nobody’s enemy. Some

 of my best friends pedal cliplessly and

 in spandex. It’s cool.

 Grant Petersen

 Walnut Creek, California


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Chen

It finds ramparts and entrenchments where many of us see only expansive
fields.  Suggests battle lines which would put many of us at odds with
ourselves.

Hear Hear

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Well, I've just typed out and deleted about four different comments to
 this thread.  None of them did anything other than unearth and compound
 arguments.  Rather than rehash and empower those, I found myself stepping
 back and considering perspectives in the original-letter-to-the-editor's
 communication which seem consistent to others who have voiced similar
 opinions over the years.

 One thing is that they make it sound as if Grant has taken this position
 in order to sell more bikes/clothing/gear.  That it is somehow inconsistent
 with his true nature, as put on as a fallen film-star's contrition.

 Another is that his position is binary.  Either/Or.  My Way/Highway.

 A third is that it is proven wrong through a single counter-example.

 It finds ramparts and entrenchments where many of us see only expansive
 fields.  Suggests battle lines which would put many of us at odds with
 ourselves.

 Many folks need no inducement to roll out and cover the miles. It's
 unlikely the book (or other writings) were offered for them.  The more time
 you've spent riding, the more you have fallen and learned, both
 metaphorically and literally. It's a natural process to leave behind those
 things which do not help.  It's needless weight on the climb of our life.

 Many folks need a hand up, a push on the saddle, an offering of a required
 tool, a draftable figure in a challenging headwind.  A different route
 through the forest.

 Doesn't make either way right or wrong.  Take what you will.  Leave what
 don't require.

 - Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Addison Wilhite

I don't live in Silicon Valley.  However, in the Reno/Tahoe areas we have
multiple club rides that are going to be made up of the types of kits/bikes
you mention.  But that is only a snapshot of the type of riding those
people do.  That may be the perfect set up for a fast road ride of 30-50
miles with a bunch of club racer types on a Saturday morning.  On Sunday
morning maybe they are grabbing their Fargos and doing a multisurface
ride.  I certainly see that in the many people I know in the bike
community.  Or maybe they are grabbing golf clubs and getting kitted out
for a different type of recreation with different group of friends.  They
are different horses in the stable and the type of ride you decide to use
them on may determine a different kit/setup.  I find people way to quick to
judge on the list when they look at another rider on a carbon bike in Lycra
and assume that person was duped by a bike shop into pretending to be Chris
Froome.  I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just saying it feels an
awful lot like self-righteousness and it troubles me.

Now if you want to judge someone for eating pet food  ;-)


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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com
wrote:



 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Addison Wilhite addisonwilh...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 I kind of feel like the revolution is over and we won.  Anymore, while I
 can certainly find the carbon roadie types, they aren't living in the
 niche.  Just like the extreme downhillers or whatever they are called.  I
 just don't see a lot of riders so focused on 25mm tires that don't also
 accept the benefits of a fatter tire


 Not true where I am in Silicon Valley . If I show up at the start of one
 of my (touring) club's rides, a ride meant for people riding a moderate
 pace, and I see twenty other riders, there will be one steel bike, and I'll
 be riding it. There will be no bikes that take tires wider than 28 mm,
 other than my Roadeo. Typically riders have 25 mm tires pumped up rock
 hard.  Everyone will have lycra shorts including me (haven't found anything
 else that works for me) and everyone else will be wearing roadie jerseys
 with sublimated graphics.

 There's one club ride I go on, an easy-paced ride that I do for
 camaraderie. Most of the riders are like me, over 50, in a lot of cases
 well over 50. But there is one young woman who shows up on an old
 Stumpjumper with flat bars, wearing street clothes. Although she has no
 trouble keeping up, and she has a fine bike, almost every time she has
 shown up at a ride I'm on someone will explain to her that her bike is
 wrong and she needs a different one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Anne Paulson

Good to hear that's what's going on in Reno/Tahoe. But I've been a
member of my club for 30 years, so I know the other members. They
haven't got Fargos sitting in their garages. They're mostly afraid of
dirt, and they cancel rides *if the roads are wet*. No, I am not
making that up; they are afraid to ride not only during a rain, but
after a rain. (Not that this has limited their riding in the last
couple of years, unfortunately.)

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Addison Wilhite
addisonwilh...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't live in Silicon Valley.  However, in the Reno/Tahoe areas we have
 multiple club rides that are going to be made up of the types of kits/bikes
 you mention.  But that is only a snapshot of the type of riding those people
 do.  That may be the perfect set up for a fast road ride of 30-50 miles with
 a bunch of club racer types on a Saturday morning.  On Sunday morning maybe
 they are grabbing their Fargos and doing a multisurface ride.

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[RBW] Re: Klean Kanteen Conversion Questons

2015-02-25 Thread Shawn Granton

I've been using Kleen Kanteen for years, both uninsulated for bicycle water 
bottles and the insulated for a coffee mug (and yes, hate the coffee mug 
lid so I just use the regular screwtop.) I also use Hydro Flask, which are 
also good. Haven't used them for boiling water, though.

As for bottle cages, I find what works best is...the Kleen Kanteen black 
plastic bottle cages. Yes, I know, they don't look as nice as metal ones, 
but they don't rattle, and to me, that's what matters more. They are pretty 
durable, but not as durable as metal. But Kleen Kanteen is good in the 
warranty dept, and have replaced all the ones I've broke without hesitation.

-Shawn

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Liesl

I was in my early 40's  when I returned to biking.  The LBS in San 
Francisco didn't try to sell me a race bike, but it was clear that they 
thought if I didn't get a road/race bike, then I needed a Mountain Bike. I 
bought a Kona Fire Mountain and didn't really ride it much either in the 
Bay Area or in the Twin Cities where I've lived for the past 12 years.  
Then, when I was in my late '40's, I saw my first Riv:  an Atlantis with 
m'bars and old first generation Baggins panniers.  I fell in love.  Crawled 
around the bike on my hands and knees in love.  I googled Riv.  I poured 
over the website.  I went to Riv when I visited the Bay Area.  More in 
love.  My wise partner said, if you (mostly) commute to work on your 
current bike, then that would justify a Riv.  I rode my Kona through the 
year, in 90 degrees, in snow, in glorius weather...and then I got a Saluki 
in 2006.

I'm a rider now.  I'm a rider again—something I hadn't been since I was 
18.  My Riv's, especially the audacious custom, feel like they are a part 
of me.

Even through I don't have one, the Atlantis brought me into the fold and 
Grant's writing, whenever and wherever I encountered it, enabled me to 
change my mindset and my way of being in the world to include bicycles.  
What a gift.

I don't care what others do or ride or wear.  I just want others who may be 
in some way like me to have the same possibility of awakening.  Sometimes 
they do need that mouse squeaking above the roar of the waterfall.  I did.

-rcw


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Well, not necessarily bike shop attire, but cycling-specific attire: less
chafing, less binding, better coverage (I hate low-waisted pants that pull
down, and short tops that pull up); less annoying flapping (windy, here);
adapts well to changes in temperature, both external and internal; doesn't
get caught in chains or on bottle cages; doesn't slip on pedals; keeps ears
warm; etc etc.

Pockets in the back!

I do agree that bike fit and setup is the most important part of cycling
comfort, though, and while I wear tights and cycling knickers in cooler
weather, I never wear padded shorts.

Now, in hot weather, I'll maintain the principle of comfort and efficiency
above all else by wearing baggy rayon shirts for the cooling effect.

I suppose each cyclist and his/her circumstances is/are different; I wish I
could ride as fast and as far as I could as a youth when I covered long
distances, *fast,* wearing jeans or cords and Safari Boots. But I remember
chafing even then.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Will waller.will...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just
 curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a before
 teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee shirt have
 always worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop attire?


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[RBW] Re: WTT: edelux II for upside down version

2015-02-25 Thread Jan Heine

They are already listed, but not yet in stock. ETA is late March. Since we 
were the instigator behind the project, we'll get them as well once they 
are available.

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 6:47:49 AM UTC-8, lungimsam wrote:

 Clayton, Peter White Cycles says they now have the upside down edeluxe II. 
 There are two models of it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com

I really think we're in the golden-age of awesome cycling right now! I 
believe that at this point, based on my personal anecdotal observations, so 
therefore 100% valid, a lot of riding is happening! And all kinds of people 
are riding all kinds of bikes wearing all kinds of things. 

So now that is cleared up, locally to me, we have a go-fast club in Lycra 
on MCRBs. Another club that wears the matching jersies, but on all kinds of 
bikes. A lot of commuters wearing street clothes. Tons of MTBers, mostly in 
Lycra I guess, but mixed a bit in apparel. There is a small but dedicated 
group of all-roaders that ride various stuff and wear various other stuff 
depending on the day/mood/goal/wash-cycle. I tend to hang out with the 
latter group the most. Surly is the brand I see the most with them.

Shop-wise, both local shops in town are upright and conscientious, with 
good people that love bikes working there. That said, I think they steer 
people to stock on hand. MCRB, 29er, 700C hybrid. Electra cruiser. Pick 
one. They can order a Surly, a Breezer, or a baked-feet, but for the most 
part they're going to suggest one of the four standards. I wish they 
carried more varied bikes, but they seem to be making money without my 
input on their business model!

I or most anyone on this list could walk in and have a great experience and 
up with a Salsa Vaya or similar on order. Would be a great bike, and we 
would be happy, but you have to know the right questions to ask. I think 
that's probably the only downside for coming in from the outside. 


On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 10:53:01 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:

 Good to hear that's what's going on in Reno/Tahoe. But I've been a 
 member of my club for 30 years, so I know the other members. They 
 haven't got Fargos sitting in their garages. They're mostly afraid of 
 dirt, and they cancel rides *if the roads are wet*. No, I am not 
 making that up; they are afraid to ride not only during a rain, but 
 after a rain. (Not that this has limited their riding in the last 
 couple of years, unfortunately.) 

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Addison Wilhite 
 addison...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 
  I don't live in Silicon Valley.  However, in the Reno/Tahoe areas we 
 have 
  multiple club rides that are going to be made up of the types of 
 kits/bikes 
  you mention.  But that is only a snapshot of the type of riding those 
 people 
  do.  That may be the perfect set up for a fast road ride of 30-50 miles 
 with 
  a bunch of club racer types on a Saturday morning.  On Sunday morning 
 maybe 
  they are grabbing their Fargos and doing a multisurface ride. 

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 It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 


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[RBW] Re: Looking for North Coast beta: Lost Coast loop

2015-02-25 Thread Neil

Thanks for the link, Ant! I had seen that blog before, but only the Tour of 
the Unknown Coast listing. That ride looks epic! Gotta get that one on the 
list, I love love love mixed terrain riding. Cheers!


On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:01:35 AM UTC-8, Ant Ritchey wrote:

 I believe you and your crew are shootin' for a different route than I'm 
 familiar with but I found THIS PAGE 
 http://northcoastbikerides.blogspot.com/2011/08/lost-coast-tour.html very 
 helpful.

 I was in the midst of a solo jaunt from Portland to SF and had taken the 
 day off in Eureka.  On a whim decided to go Lost Coast/Usal Road to link 
 back up with Highway 1 using little more than the Adventure Cycling map and 
 a few notes jotted down from this fellow's site.  Seems like his rig was a 
 traditional rando set up.  I went Atlantis w/ 700x42.  I spent the night at 
 A W Way  Usal Beach campground.  Hands down my favorite part of the 
 trip...enjoy!


 On Friday, February 20, 2015 at 11:51:58 AM UTC-8, Neil wrote:

 Hey all -  a couple pals and I intend to ride the Tour of the Unknown 
 Coast route over 3 days in late May. I'm looking for any info on camping 
 and supplies, and any don't-miss spots along the way. We're taking 3 days/2 
 nights to ride about 100 miles, so we'll have lots of time for side-trips 
 and general corn-doggin'. Any and all recomendos and advice welcome!

 Cheers,

 Neil




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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it


On 02/25/2015 12:56 PM, Anton Tutter wrote:
When I first saw this thread title, I got excited because I thought it 
might have to do with my little corner of the Catskill Mountains, in 
Delaware County, NY (named after the Delaware River, which begins 
there and flows to Delaware State via Pennsylvania). Then I read that 
it was in reference to Delaware State, a place I have never been. Oh well.


Understandable: like Rhode Island, it's one of those tiny states that's 
very easy to overlook and lose track of. :-)



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RE: [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

2015-02-25 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

HEY!  Enough with the Blue Hen bashing!  ;-)

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

On 02/25/2015 12:56 PM, Anton Tutter wrote:
 When I first saw this thread title, I got excited because I thought it 
 might have to do with my little corner of the Catskill Mountains, in 
 Delaware County, NY (named after the Delaware River, which begins 
 there and flows to Delaware State via Pennsylvania). Then I read that 
 it was in reference to Delaware State, a place I have never been. Oh well.

Understandable: like Rhode Island, it's one of those tiny states that's very 
easy to overlook and lose track of. :-)

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[RBW] Re: Planning first longish bike tour in Oregon. Suggestions?

2015-02-25 Thread Shawn Granton

Hey Mark-

Welcome to Oregon! But I noticed that your plans don't seem to give any 
time for, y'know, exploring Portland itself. I can tell you from experience 
that Portland is slightly different than Winnipeg. ;-)

Anyways, I think that a North Coast Loop would be good option to get ocean 
and climbs. Though you'll have to use US 101 on the coast itself for a good 
part which would go against your wish for avoiding the busy. But the 
scenery makes up for it! This would be a mostly paved route. There are 
gravel options over the Coast Range, but they can/will be steep and a GPS 
unit is needed as most of those roads are un/poorly marked timber company 
roads.

It could look something like this:

   - Sat May 16: Get into PDX, take MAX light rail to Hillsboro, ride 20ish 
   miles to Stub Stewart State Park.
   - Sun May 17: Ride Banks/Vernonia Trail, OR 47 and OR 202 to Astoria (80 
   miles.) No camping in Astoria but hotels/motels, closest camping would be 
   at Ft. Stevens, another 10 miles away.
   - Mon May 18: Ride 101 and some alternates to Nehalem Bay State Park (40 
   miles)
   - Tues May 19: Ride 101 and some alternates to Cape Lookout State park 
   (40 miles)
   - Wed May 20: Back to Hillsboro MAX via Nestucca River Road (a smidge of 
   gravel) (80 miles)

It's a bit ambitious, esp. with the coast range climbs, but you can 
shorten/ease it by taking a bus on one of the portions, either the Point 
bus that goes out to Astoria, or the Tillamook Wave bus back from 
Lookout-ish to Portland.

As for bridge/ferry, there is the Westport Ferry west of Astoria that 
crosses the Columbia. Then you'd have to get back to Astoria via the 
Astoria/Megler Bridge. At 4.1 miles (6.6 km) long, it's not everyone's cup 
o' tea. And it would also increase the overall length of this tour by a 
significant margin, maybe another 40 miles or so.

Hope this helps!

yours,
Shawn

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:46:59 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Hi friends,

 So I've mentioned in other posts that I plan to ride the Oregon Outback 
 this year, May 22-24. As luck would have it, I've managed to secure the 
 full week prior off from work, as well as a day or two after. So now I'm 
 looking to fly out to Portland on May 16th, and leave on the 26th. That's 
 lots of time for riding!

 My friends will be landing in Portland on May 20th and plan to take the 
 train to Klamath Falls on the 21st, which I'll accompany them on. We'll 
 ride the O.O., then ride from the finish back to Portland on the 25th and 
 fly home the next morning. 

 So that leaves me with May 16th (afternoon) to the evening of May 20 to do 
 some touring. 

 For those in Oregon, what would you suggest I ride with five days? 

 For what it's worth, I would love to be able to...:
 - See/camp by the ocean. I live in the dead centre of the continent. The 
 ocean is a real treat for me.
 - Get at least a couple nice climbs in. Again, it's flat here. I'd like to 
 see some elevation (but not 'too' much hah, I'm a prairie boy)
 - Spend as much time as possible off the major highways. I'll be on the 
 Atlantis with 2.1 tires and a light setup. Gravel, trails, fire roads, 
 whatever. I'm game for all of that. I'll have a GPS with me.
 - I also love bridges and ferries. Always take the opportunity to ride a 
 ferry if you can. It just adds that 'certain something' to a trip in my 
 opinion.

 I've considered riding to Astoria and doing a Northern loop. Also thought 
 about taking the train South on the 16th, riding closer to Klamath and 
 meeting the guys there instead. It's all open to discussion. Thanks!


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[RBW] Re: Solvent tank for drivetrain cleaning

2015-02-25 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch

It's worth doing a scan of the ebay results for parts washer:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Tools-/631/i.html?_nkw=parts+washer

This 3.5 gal bench-top unit sounds like it has the right features, $80 
shipped:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-1-2-GaIlon-SM-PARTS-WASHER-Heavy-Duty-Pump-Brand-New-Tool-cleaner-part-wash-/141581927209?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item20f6f0c329

I'm tempted, although I manage to get things pretty clean on the bike, in 
the stand, out in the driveway, using Simple Green.  I guess my San Diego 
location helps out with that.   

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread ascpgh

The right tool for the job, and the humbleness to recognize when such are 
necessary.

Folks really do take themselves too seriously. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:53:57 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote: 
  Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just 
  curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a 
  before teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee 
  shirt have always worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop 
  attire? 

 I will never forget the first time I tried to ride a century.  It was 
 1973, and I had a P15 Paramount.  I was wearing a T shirt, BVDs, cut off 
 denim jeans for shorts, some kind of sneakers and no gloves.  By the end 
 of the ride I had branded into my memory the true meaning of the Johnny 
 Cash song Ring of Fire -- blazing lines of pain on my backside from 
 the seams on both underwear and denim shorts, parallel grooves of pain 
 in my feet where the edges of the pedals had transmitted their pressure 
 through the soles of my sneakers.  My hands felt as though they were on 
 fire as well.  Every 10 miles or so I'd stop and lie down on the ground 
 and try to will the agony away, but by mile 75 I realized I'd been 
 wishing a dog would run out in front of me so I could crash and just lay 
 down on the pavement.  At that point I stopped and waited for the SAG 
 wagon.  It's the only time I've ever SAGged back from a century. 




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Re: [RBW] FS: FSA Metropolis Patterson crankset for your Quickbeam

Thanks; interesting gizmo. Interesting too that you sense less drag than
for the S3X. If it looked more like a Pro 5 Vis or A R Herse crank I'd be
interested.

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 Patrick,
 It worked well for me during my short experiment.  I didn't notice any
 drag in either of the two ratios.  I can't really speak about chain
 slop since I didn't use it in fixed gear mode (and not sure I would
 recommend it for that, given the stresses involved).  I can say there
 is less drag than I've experienced with my SA S3X, which I'm using
 currently.

 I was initially hoping to combine this with a 2sd kickback hub, but
 this didn't work out for that since it basicly freewheels in the back
 pedal which is needed for initiating the gear change in the hub.

 Mike

 On 2/25/15, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
  How well do those things work? Do you notice drag? Is there drivetrain
  slop? Is there more drag or less than with hub gears? I wonder if there
 is
  less, since -- this is a question -- wouldn't the upgeared character of a
  hub gear also upgear the drag?
 
  I think such gear systems are very interesting -- I know about the German
  or Swiss one that has been on the market for years (forget name, though)
  and didn't know that there were others available. (Sorry, not interested
  for myself, but interested in learning more about it.)
 
  On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:03 AM, qwerty mike.gilles...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi Folks,
  Awhile back these cranks were discussed here as an option for a front
  shift on Quickbeams.  I purchased this one and used it for a short
  while, but have since converted to another setup.  Thought there might
  be interest on here since there are a number of you with Quickbeams (
  ot other SS setups).  This crank offers the equivalent of a 28t and
  45t double with a simple shifter of about any type.  The beauty is
  that there's no derailleurs needed or moving the wheel in the
  dropouts.  Shifting on the go...
 
  Asking $150 plus shipping.
  Photos at:
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/55639583@N04/sets/72157650969330046/
 
  Everything included (except standard BB installation tools), including
  instructions.  I mainly used the installation instructions on the
  website with success.
  http://pattersonbike.com/patterson-bike-videos/
 
  I also have a few shifter options if you might be interested in any of
  those as well.
 
  Thanks,
  Mike Gillespie
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Planning first longish bike tour in Oregon. Suggestions?

Thanks so much! That is very helpful.

I should have mentioned, I've been to Portland before. Just once. I was on
a motorcycle tour and stopped at a friends house. I stayed for the day and
he took me around. It's a lovely place, definitely need to visit for longer
some time!

Your route seems pretty good. Distances are varied and never too long. I
don't mind riding the 101 - it is a beautiful road and I can deal with
pavement when the ocean is right beside me :)

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Shawn Granton 
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 Hey Mark-

 Welcome to Oregon! But I noticed that your plans don't seem to give any
 time for, y'know, exploring Portland itself. I can tell you from experience
 that Portland is slightly different than Winnipeg. ;-)

 Anyways, I think that a North Coast Loop would be good option to get ocean
 and climbs. Though you'll have to use US 101 on the coast itself for a good
 part which would go against your wish for avoiding the busy. But the
 scenery makes up for it! This would be a mostly paved route. There are
 gravel options over the Coast Range, but they can/will be steep and a GPS
 unit is needed as most of those roads are un/poorly marked timber company
 roads.

 It could look something like this:

- Sat May 16: Get into PDX, take MAX light rail to Hillsboro, ride
20ish miles to Stub Stewart State Park.
- Sun May 17: Ride Banks/Vernonia Trail, OR 47 and OR 202 to Astoria
(80 miles.) No camping in Astoria but hotels/motels, closest camping would
be at Ft. Stevens, another 10 miles away.
- Mon May 18: Ride 101 and some alternates to Nehalem Bay State Park
(40 miles)
- Tues May 19: Ride 101 and some alternates to Cape Lookout State park
(40 miles)
- Wed May 20: Back to Hillsboro MAX via Nestucca River Road (a smidge
of gravel) (80 miles)

 It's a bit ambitious, esp. with the coast range climbs, but you can
 shorten/ease it by taking a bus on one of the portions, either the Point
 bus that goes out to Astoria, or the Tillamook Wave bus back from
 Lookout-ish to Portland.

 As for bridge/ferry, there is the Westport Ferry west of Astoria that
 crosses the Columbia. Then you'd have to get back to Astoria via the
 Astoria/Megler Bridge. At 4.1 miles (6.6 km) long, it's not everyone's cup
 o' tea. And it would also increase the overall length of this tour by a
 significant margin, maybe another 40 miles or so.

 Hope this helps!

 yours,
 Shawn

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:46:59 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

 Hi friends,

 So I've mentioned in other posts that I plan to ride the Oregon Outback
 this year, May 22-24. As luck would have it, I've managed to secure the
 full week prior off from work, as well as a day or two after. So now I'm
 looking to fly out to Portland on May 16th, and leave on the 26th. That's
 lots of time for riding!

 My friends will be landing in Portland on May 20th and plan to take the
 train to Klamath Falls on the 21st, which I'll accompany them on. We'll
 ride the O.O., then ride from the finish back to Portland on the 25th and
 fly home the next morning.

 So that leaves me with May 16th (afternoon) to the evening of May 20 to
 do some touring.

 For those in Oregon, what would you suggest I ride with five days?

 For what it's worth, I would love to be able to...:
 - See/camp by the ocean. I live in the dead centre of the continent. The
 ocean is a real treat for me.
 - Get at least a couple nice climbs in. Again, it's flat here. I'd like
 to see some elevation (but not 'too' much hah, I'm a prairie boy)
 - Spend as much time as possible off the major highways. I'll be on the
 Atlantis with 2.1 tires and a light setup. Gravel, trails, fire roads,
 whatever. I'm game for all of that. I'll have a GPS with me.
 - I also love bridges and ferries. Always take the opportunity to ride a
 ferry if you can. It just adds that 'certain something' to a trip in my
 opinion.

 I've considered riding to Astoria and doing a Northern loop. Also thought
 about taking the train South on the 16th, riding closer to Klamath and
 meeting the guys there instead. It's all open to discussion. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Brewster Fong


On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 1:42:01 PM UTC-8, ascpgh wrote:

 The right tool for the job, and the humbleness to recognize when such are 
 necessary.

 Folks really do take themselves too seriously. 

 
Agree! I love these types of threads! You see all sides. I'm from the camp 
that if CF bikes, lycra gets people riding, well go for it! I have a buddy 
who for over 20+ years, we've been trying to get him out and riding with 
us. For 20+ years, he says naw, all I need is my old  is my old mtb. He 
hated dt shifters and thought the positioning on a road bike was too 
painful.  
 
Then about 4 years ago, he wanted a new bike and went into a Specialized 
dealer. They put him on an aluminum road bike, but one designed for higher 
bars with a wider seat and BAM, he was hooked! Not only did he buy the bike 
and wanted to ride, he actually upgraded to the carbon model within 2 
weeks!! Further, and I'm not done yet, two years later he started talking 
to us about getting a new bike?! The next thing you know he walks into a 
Trek dealer and drops $5K+ on a Madone with the latest ultegra di2!  
Moreover, and you all will love this, this guy, who was 5'11 190, got so 
into riding that he DROPPED 30 POUNDS Yup, all of a sudden, he has the 
latest clothing (lycra jersey, shorts, the whole 9 yards) and is killing 
everyone blasting up the hill?!!  Now, this is nothing but anedotal and 
just one example, but for my buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't 
care what it was made out of, but the supposedly stiff, uncomfortable 
aluminum frame road bike got him hooked and we love it! 
 
Btw, for all you paleo lovers, you'll hate this guy! While dropping 30lbs, 
he still eats like a pig and that includes massive amounts of noodles, rice 
and bread (hey, a guy's got to carbo load!)
 
In the meantime, I'm just the opposite and can't drop an ounce. Maybe I 
need to do that paleo thingGood Luck!


 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh


 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:53:57 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 02/25/2015 09:41 AM, Will wrote: 
  Why do you need to wear special clothes to ride? Not arguing, just 
  curious. I've been riding for about 50 years. Newspaper bikes as a 
  before teenage years, then Raleigh racers in college. Shorts and tee 
  shirt have always worked for me. What's the advantage of bike shop 
  attire? 

 I will never forget the first time I tried to ride a century.  It was 
 1973, and I had a P15 Paramount.  I was wearing a T shirt, BVDs, cut off 
 denim jeans for shorts, some kind of sneakers and no gloves.  By the end 
 of the ride I had branded into my memory the true meaning of the Johnny 
 Cash song Ring of Fire -- blazing lines of pain on my backside from 
 the seams on both underwear and denim shorts, parallel grooves of pain 
 in my feet where the edges of the pedals had transmitted their pressure 
 through the soles of my sneakers.  My hands felt as though they were on 
 fire as well.  Every 10 miles or so I'd stop and lie down on the ground 
 and try to will the agony away, but by mile 75 I realized I'd been 
 wishing a dog would run out in front of me so I could crash and just lay 
 down on the pavement.  At that point I stopped and waited for the SAG 
 wagon.  It's the only time I've ever SAGged back from a century. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Leslie

One thing I think is a factor in a lot of this, is socioeconomics.   Maybe 
I'm wrong, or, maybe not where you are, but, at least for my neck of the 
woods.  (my neck of the woods being, a non-urban center, small-town, 
car-centric region where everyone over 15 is expected to have a car or 
two)

I see the 'ensemble' of racing/club attire is used as a differentiator, 
indicating some level of affluence that you have a carbon bike, and can 
afford special clothing reserved for riding your bike, with like-minded 
people.   It's a sign of buy-in to the club.If you're not in lycra and 
spandex, if you're not on a carbon bike, then, you must not be able to 
afford such, and you are some lower-echelon person that couldn't afford a 
car, and not someone who one wants to be associated with. 

We here in RBW-Owners-Bunch are aware that that doesn't always hold true... 
our 'antique' bikes and wool underwear cost more than their Fuji Supremes 
and Primal jerseys   But we're a niche within a subset of a smaller 
group of the biking population.   It really isn't about the price tag for 
us, we're into what we like for whatever reasons we like it, and it's worth 
what we'll pay;  and for those on this group that have carbon racers too, 
well, you are on the Rivendell group, so, you're not entirely 
anti-Rivendellish, right?   But you at least understand both sides.   But 
away from our corner of the biking world, there's a lot of people that 
don't know better   they see the TdF, they want to get into shape, they 
'buy-in' with the outfits and the latest/greatest, because it must be best, 
right?   

Grant used to race;  he's not anti-racing... if you're gonna race, then go 
race, on a race bike.But if you're not racing, you might as well be 
comfortable and enjoy the ride.  

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[RBW] Renewing a Canvas and Leather Bag

I have become the owner of a somewhat beausaged Berthoud bag, and I wonder if 
this group might have suggestions for making it look somewhat newer. Should I 
throw it in the washing machine? Scrub it with a brush? And then what? Rewax it?

Thanks in advance!

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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Don Compton

I own a Mini Cooper and see a similar thing in the group. As new , the cars 
handle so well. But owners look at racecars that are very low and think 
that you have to have that look and the change will surely improve the 
handling. Well, maybe not, ( probably not). Oh well

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 1:08:44 PM UTC-8, Jon in the foothills of 
Central Colorado wrote:

 In the new Adventure Cyclist Mag

 PETERSEN RESPONDS TO READER

 LETTER ‘UNRACING? UNCOOL’

 Racing attitudes, bikes, clothing,

 and diets have become the norm and

 normal, and are so pervasive that many

 adult cyclists, maybe even some you

 know, accept the racing standards as

 the only legitimate way to be a serious

 adult cyclist. What I tried to do in the

 book *Just Ride *— and what we do here

 at Rivendell Bicycle Works — is offer

 an alternative, a model to other adult

 cyclists that there is another way. This

 letter is not an ad for either. I’m simply

 saying where I come from and what I

 do.

 We are the mice trying to squeak

 above the roar at the base of the

 waterfall. It is no time to be wishywashy,

 but I try hard to not offend.

 Inevitably, a declarative position on

 any matter is bound to raise a few

 hackles with those who have a different

 position, but it still hurts to be judged

 by a stranger who would probably like

 me, and whom I’d surely like, in person.

 A good number of our customers are

 middle-aged and older folks trying to

 fit in some activity as they age. They

 often have the means, and they’re

 influenced by what they read and see

 that promotes racers as a good model —

 and that’s something I don’t agree with.

 They shop as innocents and come

 out of it dressed like racers and riding

 bikes that are not only inappropriate

 for the kind of riding they do, but are,

 on top of that and more egregiously, not

 comfortable. We undo that. You may

 see ego or evil behind it, but I don’t

 feel either of those. I see racing and

 racers as fringe and am simply trying

 to legitimize an alternative point of

 view, one that I feel strongly about. I’m

 trying — certainly not singlehandedly —

 to make people feel good about riding

 without dressing in pro-team gear and

 copying so many other affectations of

 the racer, and that is what Unracing and

 *Just Ride *and Rivendell Bicycle Works is

 all about. We’re nobody’s enemy. Some

 of my best friends pedal cliplessly and

 in spandex. It’s cool.

 Grant Petersen

 Walnut Creek, California


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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Mike Schiller

this ^^ is the first thing that makes sense in this whole thread.  

There are all kinds of fish in this giant fishbowl. Some wear sandals and 
baggy shorts...that's not me.  Lycra/wool shorts have a place for 
performance riding,  On tour, some loose fitting over-shorts are more 
appropriate.Can't we all get just along?  

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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread dougP

That was my feeling.  She seemed to be reading too much into Just Ride and 
projecting her own interpretation.  I read the letter  scratched my head, 
not understanding why she seemed so put out.  

dougP

On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:45:57 PM UTC-8, Chris in Redding, Ca. 
wrote:

 Hey All,
 I think the critic of 'Just Ride' misses the point of 'Just Ride'. The 
 error is hers. 

 Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread dan gee

I can't remember who first stated it in this epic thread, but I'll agree that 
Grant's response was a little disingenuous-- Just Ride is definitely not a 
kumbaya, just-do-your-own-thing get along gang book. It says in many places 
that people who use clipless shoes, or wear lycra, or are more interested in 
riding fast than riding fun, are misguided and have been conned by the 
industry. It's a contrarian take on something that many people are passionate 
about and have their identities tied up in, so it shouldn't be surprising that 
some get their buttons pushed about this type of stuff. Regardless, you can't 
pretend that Grant isn't pushing the buttons of the roadie world, and I wish 
he'd just own it. I don't agree with all of (or these days, many of) the RBW 
ideals, but I feel much more interested in something that gleefully challenges 
the cycling status quo than something that backpedals whenever someone gets 
upset. You can't be Copernicus without getting the Pope angry at you, you know?

-Dan, DC

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[RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

2015-02-25 Thread dougP

I talked to a guy who crossed the US self contained on an 11-34 9 speed 
with IIRC 40t single ring.  It seems once you get to a 3:1 range, a bit of 
patience walking some hills covers the rest.  May try it some day but for 
now I'll hang onto my triple.  

dougP

On Sunday, February 22, 2015 at 10:44:25 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Still restless this winter, with spectacular weather outside but not able 
 to ride anywhere near as much as I would like.  Normally I'd work out my 
 anxieties and frustration with another build project, but my garage is 
 packed, so I look for problems that don't exist and fix them.  
 #firstworldproblems

 This week's sideshow was something I've been thinking about since a really 
 intriguing BQ test article about the SRAM CX1 group.  That's a 1x11 setup.  
 I was curious, so I went ahead and bought a wide/narrow chainring and 
 converted my A. Homer Hilsen to a 1x9.  42 in front, 11-32 in back.  I 
 think it looks pretty slick.  Fortunately, I was able to run the chainring 
 backwards (middle position) so I don't have to look at gaudy RaceFace 
 graphics with the standard drivetrain shot.  

 I did it just because I felt like it.  Some people that means that I 
 shouldn't have done it, but I did.  So there. 

 PICTURES  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/sets/72157650568831338/prove 
 that I don't mind working pointlessly.  I still like working.

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 El Cerrito, CA


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[RBW] Re: Looking for North Coast beta: Lost Coast loop

2015-02-25 Thread dougP

These will be short-mileage days, but I'm not complaining.

Short mileage but Quality Miles.  A couple of years ago we did Ferndale 
down to Ave of the Giants then over Panther Gap to Honeydew, up to Petrolia 
 over a couple of serious climbs back to Ferndale in 2 days.  It was 
only 100 miles but about 10,000' of climbing, with much of it being 
serious granny gear grunting.  It's a unique area.  We hung out at the 
Honeydew store for an hour or so in the late afternoon as the locals 
cruised in for provisions  community.  Quite the scene  not to be 
missed.  You'll have a blast on this one.  

dougP



On Monday, February 23, 2015 at 12:56:28 PM UTC-8, Neil wrote:

 Thanks Gabe. The clockwise route with overnights at AW Way and Albee Creek 
 look ideal. These will be short-mileage days, but I'm not complaining.

 Cheers,

 Neil

 On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 11:50:35 AM UTC-8, oldmangabe wrote:

 Neil,

 A W Way campground is a nice county campground right on the Mattole 
 river. It's about 5-7 miles south of Petrolia. I wouldn't recommend staying 
 at the BLM site near Honeydew. There is also beach camping at the mouth of 
 the Mattole river southwest of Petrolia. 

 Depending on which direction you go out of Ferndale, you could ride up 
 Wildcat/Mattole rd. to A W Way, then over Panther Gap to Albee Creek on Day 
 2, and then north on AOTG/101 to Rio Dell and Ferndale on Blue Slide rd. 
 Winds are predominately out of the NW, so either way is going to have 
 headwinds, but having the wind at your back while descending the wall and 
 along the coastal terrace would be best in my experience. 

 Gabe

 On Friday, February 20, 2015 at 11:51:58 AM UTC-8, Neil wrote:

 Hey all -  a couple pals and I intend to ride the Tour of the Unknown 
 Coast route over 3 days in late May. I'm looking for any info on camping 
 and supplies, and any don't-miss spots along the way. We're taking 3 days/2 
 nights to ride about 100 miles, so we'll have lots of time for side-trips 
 and general corn-doggin'. Any and all recomendos and advice welcome!

 Cheers,

 Neil




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[RBW] Re: Renewing a Canvas and Leather Bag

For the leather: coconut oil and beeswax combined is fantastic.
For the canvas: don't wash in the washing machine. Damp cloth, stiff brush, 
and then the same as above, but heavier on the beeswax. Or buy Filson's 
re-proofing wax.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:47:14 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:

 I have become the owner of a somewhat *beausaged* Berthoud bag, and I 
 wonder if this group might have suggestions for making it look somewhat 
 newer. Should I throw it in the washing machine? Scrub it with a brush? And 
 then what? Rewax it?

 Thanks in advance!

 --Eric N
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[RBW] Re: Renewing a Canvas and Leather Bag

I should mention that to combine the beeswax and coconut oil, I do a cheep 
double boiler system of a cast iron skillet filled half full with water, 
place an old glass jar with the beeswax in it in and put on medium heat 
till it boils. Put the bag in the oven at 200-250˚F. Then work the wax oil 
blend into the warm bag. Repeat as needed.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Renewing a Canvas and Leather Bag

Thanks! 

--Eric N
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 On Feb 25, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
 
 For the leather: coconut oil and beeswax combined is fantastic.
 For the canvas: don't wash in the washing machine. Damp cloth, stiff brush, 
 and then the same as above, but heavier on the beeswax. Or buy Filson's 
 re-proofing wax.
 
 With abandon,
 Patrick
 
 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:47:14 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
 I have become the owner of a somewhat beausaged Berthoud bag, and I wonder 
 if this group might have suggestions for making it look somewhat newer. 
 Should I throw it in the washing machine? Scrub it with a brush? And then 
 what? Rewax it?
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 --Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
 CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
 
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Re: [RBW] FS: FSA Metropolis Patterson crankset for your Quickbeam

2015-02-25 Thread Jim Bronson

Pretty interesting, I run a 44/28 now so these gear ratios would be about
perfect.  But I don't really want to spend $150 on it when I have a
perfectly functional crankset.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:03 PM, qwerty mike.gilles...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 Awhile back these cranks were discussed here as an option for a front
 shift on Quickbeams.  I purchased this one and used it for a short
 while, but have since converted to another setup.  Thought there might
 be interest on here since there are a number of you with Quickbeams (
 ot other SS setups).  This crank offers the equivalent of a 28t and
 45t double with a simple shifter of about any type.  The beauty is
 that there's no derailleurs needed or moving the wheel in the
 dropouts.  Shifting on the go...

 Asking $150 plus shipping.
 Photos at:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/55639583@N04/sets/72157650969330046/

 Everything included (except standard BB installation tools), including
 instructions.  I mainly used the installation instructions on the
 website with success.
 http://pattersonbike.com/patterson-bike-videos/

 I also have a few shifter options if you might be interested in any of
 those as well.

 Thanks,
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[RBW] FS: Nitto Handlebars, Shimano, VO front rack, Nitto platrack, Schmidt halogen lights

2015-02-25 Thread Dave

Marks bar and brifters are spoken for, but all the rest available.  

If you're interested in something shipped, be in touch. If you're interested in 
something and my price is too high, let me know. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor


On 02/25/2015 05:39 PM, Brewster Fong wrote:
Now, this is nothing but anedotal and just one example, but for my 
buddy, the right tool got him going! I don't care what it was made out 
of, but the supposedly stiff, uncomfortable aluminum frame road bike 
got him hooked and we love it! 


Some of those Alu Specialized road bikes have riding positions very 
similar to what GP was advocating back in 2002.  I know quite a few 
people who have them and like them a lot.  I think the Zerts inserts are 
pure placebo and the bikes would be better off with something wider than 
a 25mm tire, but for something you can just walk into a LBS and get for 
(by modern standards) relatively cheap money, there are lots worse bikes 
people could buy.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Planning first longish bike tour in Oregon. Suggestions?

Not sure where you’re initial starting point is, but you might want to consider 
taking the Amtrak Cascades train from Portland to Seattle. It’s a beautiful 
train ride, and the Amtrak trains have a special place in the baggage car for 
bicycles. You’ll end up in downtown Seattle at the historic train station there.

I’ve done this several times—once solo and once with a bunch of other riders 
doing Seattle-to-Portland. The train filled up for the latter ride, and I had 
to buy a box and put my bike in it. Generally, there’s plenty of space for 
bikes to hang on padded hooks.

--Eric N
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Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
Blog: http://CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com 

 On Feb 25, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Mark Reimer marknrei...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I've also been toying with the idea of flying to Seattle instead and riding 
 to Portland over that time frame.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:


Btw, for all you paleo lovers, you'll hate this guy! While dropping 30lbs,
 he still eats like a pig and that includes massive amounts of noodles, rice
 and bread (hey, a guy's got to carbo load!)...


Kudos to him! I wish I had a 24 oz beer right now with which to drink his
health.




You do see the what I call Rivendell guys out there too. But they actually
 kind of stand out dress like bums in their baggy shorts, seersucker
 shirts, etc.


One of them, or a near relation,  passed me today at about a 50% speed
differential, up a hill. Scruffy lout! I was wearing cycling kit, too!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

2015-02-25 Thread Bill Lindsay

Exactly

The campfire song I learned included lyrics:  What did Della wear?  She 
wore a New Jersey.  Why did Callie phone ya?  She called to ask How-a-ya

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-8, Justin August wrote:

 Delawhere? 

 -J

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

2015-02-25 Thread Bill Lindsay

YES!!!

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:28:00 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:

  If Miss Issippi asked Miss Ouri for her New Jersey, what would Della 
 wear?  Idaho, Alaska.

  

 *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
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 *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

  
  
 Exactly
  
  
  
 The campfire song I learned included lyrics:  What did Della wear?  She 
 wore a New Jersey.  Why did Callie phone ya?  She called to ask How-a-ya

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-8, Justin August wrote:

 Delawhere? 

 -J
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

Haha I laughed out loud when picturing that



 On Feb 25, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Doug Williams salg...@minbaritm.com wrote:
 
 There are many riders who can NOT conceive of going for a bike ride without 
 their clipless shoes, jersey, the whole kit. How sad! I mean...there isn't 
 anything wrong with wearing your kit to go on a serious bike ride. But for a 
 short ride, you wind up spending more time dressing and undressing than you 
 do riding. Plus, the kit is just stupid for many rides.
 
 Example: I'm a bike safety instructor and I teach bike traffic safety, 
 typically to 5-7 grades. We ask for parent volunteers to tag along at the end 
 of a line of 8-12 students. We make it very clear that we will be riding 
 slowly, stopping often for instruction, etc. You would be amazed at how many 
 volunteers show up in full kit and clipped in. They just can't envision an 
 easy ride in regular clothes, no matter how appropriate for the situation.
 
 
 Doug
 
 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:20:09 PM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:
 One way to know your message has really gotten out there is when some people 
 you don't know start to genuinely hate you, hahaha!
 
 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Btw, for all you paleo lovers, you'll hate this guy! While dropping 30lbs, 
 he still eats like a pig and that includes massive amounts of noodles, 
 rice and bread (hey, a guy's got to carbo load!)...
 
 Kudos to him! I wish I had a 24 oz beer right now with which to drink his 
 health.
 
 You do see the what I call Rivendell guys out there too. But they actually 
 kind of stand out dress like bums in their baggy shorts, seersucker 
 shirts, etc. 
 
 One of them, or a near relation,  passed me today at about a 50% speed 
 differential, up a hill. Scruffy lout! I was wearing cycling kit, too!
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Re: [RBW] In search of the Delaware Gear

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Bunik

https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/16645056811/

My RockComboStreetShredder has a 9x2 Delaware of ~76.5 and ~61.5,
depending if it is running in town or country mode. We are using a
36/26 rings up front, and an 12-25 or 11-32 spread in the back. It's a
pretty tilted spin-forward configuration, but I can just stay on top
of the Delaware on the zip to work. When we head for the hills in
country mode, we are pushing bigger knobs and climbing the ridges of
Hillendale Country. =- Joe

http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.sherman/shift.html?R0=36R1=999R2=999C0=12C1=13C2=14C3=15C4=17C5=19C6=21C7=23C8=25C9=999C10=999CAS=0WI=18CR=170RT=1ST=0RPM=90SRT=0lRPM=80hRMP=100G=showS=noTITLE=HL=1

http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.sherman/shift.html?R0=26R1=999R2=999C0=11C1=12C2=14C3=16C4=18C5=21C6=24C7=28C8=32C9=999C10=999CAS=0WI=17CR=170RT=1ST=0RPM=90SRT=0lRPM=80hRMP=100G=showS=noTITLE=HL=1

On 2/24/15, Eric Platt epericmpl...@gmail.com wrote:
My fatbike has a low of 22x36. Not as low as it looks as the 3.8 inch
tires make for a larger diameter. Have thought of making it a 42t in rear.
Just because.

On the Sam Hillborne, until last fall the bike was a 1x9 with 39t up front
and 11-36 in back. Only changed it because I would be climbing some hills
that were very steep for short pitches and wanted a lower gear. In
retrospect, could have gotten by without it. In fact, as the bike is
indoors this winter will probably change it back to the 1x9. Just easier
to deal with for the vast majority of my riding.

As for high gears, have rarely used my highest gear, no matter the bike.
Might have shifted to the 11t cog on the Hillborne a couple of times. But
in those cases it would have to be a downhill with a tailwind. And even
then would probably just coast.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 6:48 PM, David Yu Greenblatt
david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote:

My 650b MTB has a a single 28 tooth chainring and 10-42 cassette, which
yields a high GI around 77 and a low around 18.4.

I used to race cyclocross with a single 39 tooth chainring and 12-27
cassette.

38 x 12-36 sounds nice for a mixed terrain bike. Equipped thusly, you
will be able to escape the yammering toadies, if not keep up with the
hammering roadies.

- David G in San Diego

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com
wrote:

Every state in America has a highest point. Among those 50 highest
points, the highest highest point is about 19,685 feet on top of Mt
McKinley. The lowest highest point is in Florida at 345 ft. But there's
a
song about lowest highest point being in Delaware, and Delaware has the
lowest mean elevation, so I always think of Delaware having the lowest
highest point.

I'm thinking about pushing my 1x9 drivetrain as low as possible, while
still being useful. I'm thinking specifically about a 38 ring, with a
12-36 cassette. I'm wondering if I will hate the drivetrain if my
highest
gear is only 83.3 inches.

So, of all your multi-gear, derailer equipped bikes, who's got the
LOWEST
HIGHEST GEAR?

My current personal lowest-highest gear is on my Atlantis. It's a 40x12
with 700x38 tires, so about 91.6 gear inches. Jan Heine's Herse has a
high
gear just over 90 and claims to have never been dropped on a descent
due
to not having a high enough gear. He asserts tucking at over 35mph is
always more efficient than pedalling.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Brewster Fong


On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 6:21:59 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

 Guilty as charged.  In fact I am definitely not an adherent to Grant's 
 thoughts on cycling attire.  I'm wearing plum-smuggling cycling shorts 
 every time I ride, unless it's a very, very short ride.

 But unlike some folks, I don't feel any pressure to conform to the Unracer 
 philosophy.  It's just more ideas about how to make cycling more enjoyable 
 and accessible to all

 
Agree. When I ride recreationally with the boys on the weekend and 
ride between 40-60 miles, I prefer lyrca and jerseys.  I also like riding 
my carbon bike as its very comfortable! :) However, I live in SF And when I 
commute, it is in street clothes. Since the ride is only 10 miles rt, but 
with hills coming home, its not too bad. Further, while commuting it seems 
that most people are in street clothes. You occasionally see a rider in a 
kit, but mainly it seems like most people commute in street clothes.
 
What's funny is one time, while commuting, I saw a friend stopped at a 
light in her car. She waved at me as I rode pass. Later, I get an email 
from her specifically commenting on why I wasn't in spandex (I later 
corrected her that the proper term is lycra)? I told her that for long 
rides, spandex works for me. However, for my short commute, street 
clothes works too and is actually preferable as most people who commute do 
so in street clothes! 
 
Also, on any given Saturday or Sunday morning at the Golden Gate Bridge, 
the meeting spot for most groups, you see a wide assortment of lycra!  
Almost everyone is in lycra and riding a CF bike!  You do see the what I 
call Rivendell guys out there too. But they actually kind of stand out 
dress like bums in their baggy shorts, searsucker shirts, etc.  Further, 
their bikes always look well used with racks and big tires, at least 
compared to the CF riders.  Still, you can tell they're having fun, just 
like the CF guys.  OK, maybe the Riv guys seem to have more fun than the CF 
guys, as the latter are more serious and ready to get down to 
business!  
 
We just laugh and go at our own speed! Good Luck!


 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Every day, there are frightful sights in lycra on every bike path

 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 2:18:24 AM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

 Every runner knows those Damn walkers are just in the way [image: ] 
 Must be winter. 
 On Feb 25, 2015 2:50 AM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@
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 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 8:18:22 PM UTC-8, Doug Williams wrote:

 pb,

 Hmmm...I'm glad that you found a few good LBS's, 


 No, I called three, and got three answers.  I made three calls.  I got 
 three answers.  I chose the three because they were representative of 
 three 
 major corporate entities.
  

 but have you read a mainstream bicycle magazine recently? I see all 
 sorts of articles and advertisements glorifying racing and bikes so 
 lightweight that they are completely impractical for normal use. I see 
 VERY 
 few articles and advertisements featuring practical and reliable bikes or 
 articles that espouse using a bike for transportation rather than for 
 only 
 racing or exercise. Transportation? What's that? A fun ride that isn't a 
 race? What's that?


 Do you read Vogue to find articles on dungarees or Harris tweed?  Do 
 you read GQ to find out what to wear when gardening?  I don't even 
 know what the mainstream bicycle magazines are any more. I do know 
 that Bicycling (does it still exist?) didn't offer a new article, 
 or cover, in twenty years.  They just recycled the old ones on a regular 
 basis (Climb better in 30 days!  Get faster in 30 days!  Prepare for a 
 century in 30 days!  Get leaner in 30 days!).  I hope you don't pay to 
 read 
 it.  Doug, are you confusing magazines with actual journalism?  Magazines 
 exist to make money, and they'll print whatever they think will sell 
 copies.  Apparently what you think is interesting isn't what they think 
 will sell copies.  Does that prove something about your local bicycle 
 shop, 
 or does it just indicate that maybe you're looking at the wrong magazine, 
 which you knew before you picked it up.   
  

 I don't think that Grant just invented this issue. The phenomena is 
 quite real. Grant's message resonates with many because the racing 
 phenomena IS real.


 No, Grant didn't invent the issue, but he has fed the flames, and kept 
 it alive, and he has perpetuated a stereotype, and he has offended folks 
 along the way.  For no reason.  And I assure you that it has affected his 
 bottom line by marginalizing him.  Canonize him for that if you wish.  


  And yes, I do (quite often) encounter smug racers in their spandex 
 uniforms who disparage practical cyclists. They are mostly wannabe's and 
 not real racers, of course. But they are numerous and annoying just the 
 same.


 Oh come on.  There are rude

RE: [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

2015-02-25 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J

If Miss Issippi asked Miss Ouri for her New Jersey, what would Della wear?  
Idaho, Alaska.

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Exactly

The campfire song I learned included lyrics:  What did Della wear?  She wore a 
New Jersey.  Why did Callie phone ya?  She called to ask How-a-ya

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 4:07:46 PM UTC-8, Justin August wrote:
Delawhere?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Eric Daume

I wonder sometimes if the basic image of people getting railroaded into
buying a race bike for general riding is still true, if it ever was. Grant
compares his bikes to MCFRBs, but a more apt comparison is probably a...
hybrid. Big clearances, upright positioning, fenders, racks, etc. And
that's mostly what I see people riding when I ride through the local metro
park. Yes, the group riders on Saturday morning are all clad in lycra on
carbon bikes, but that's just one small group of riders. Yes, those are the
bikes they show in Bicycling, but how often can you compare $400 hybrids?

I bet if you compared Trek's or Specialized's sales numbers, they would
sell many more hybrid bikes than road machines (though they may sell more
dollars of road bikes). The Unracer seems like the normal thing, now.

Eric Daume
Dublin, OH


On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why?  Why, over and over again?  Because the racing philosophy has the
 mainstream and the LBS.  And it's not what serves most causal riders best,
 and I applaud Grant for calling them out for it.

 We all have seen at the LBS the times when some racerish young LBS
 employee is trying to fit an older person onto a racerish bike, that will
 not be well served by said bike.  Why is this what's in the mainstream?

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 6:40 PM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch 
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 On Tuesday, February 24, 2015 at 3:25:08 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Is that the best rhetoric (argument, in the technical sense) the racing
 crowd could produce? That rather says it all. Sardonic grin.


 Huh?  To what are you referring?  What racing crowd?  Which argument?
 Norma Steinberg's comments?  If so, what makes you think she represents
 the racing crowd?  Are you being snarky?  I would not have expected that
 from you.  Snarky?   (Sharply critical; cutting; snide?  Was that really
 your intention, Deacon?)

 I notice that Grant's letter is much more compromising and middle-ground
 than he has been in the past, and I commend him for that.  What I tried to
 do ... is offer an alternative.  It hurts to be judged.  Well, perhaps
 there would be less judgment from others if there had been less judgment
 from him along the way (see Norma's last paragraph again).  In the past,
 his language has been rather less soft than in his recent letter, for
 instance, it's a big fat lie.  I don't know about you, but I find that
 phrase off-putting.  Well, that was a long time ago, so I'm not going to
 dwell.  I'm just mentioning that as a contrast.

 I've said these things before, but here it is again.  I'm a big tent
 cyclist.  I was a licensed road racer for almost twenty years, and I've
 ridden with lots of folks whose names are well known.  I *love* old
 English three-speeds.  I really miss the Schwinn New World I used to bomb
 around the University of Colorado campus on.  I've done a good bit of
 loaded touring and will again.  I have owned lots of steel, lots of carbon,
 and lots of titanium, and I enjoy my Rambouillet as much as I enjoy
 my Hampsten ti custom and my Merlin Agilis, although I'm currently really
 smitten by my ti Serotta - Schwinn Paramount.  I read the Reader for a
 number of years, until I stopped, because in each edition, I found some
 comment from Grant which was openly, unmistakably insulting to the racing
 crowd.  Why?  Why, over and over again?  Why not just do what he does
 well, no apology, and let it speak for itself?  It suddenly occurs to me
 that Ritchey and Fisher and Charlie Kelly didn't need to talk about how
 stupid road riding was when they started mountain biking, and they managed
 to create a movement that took over the world.  They didn't need buttons
 that said unroadie.  They were too busy building and riding and enjoying
 bikes to be snarky.  It's not necessary to say the other guy is stupid to
 look good.  It's much better to just do the do.

 I've expressed this to Grant, and he has heard it, and he has said all
 the right things to me, and thank you very much, Grant, you and I are
 good.  I like Grant, and I do appreciate his intentions, but I think that
 he doesn't always communicate effectively, and I understand why sometimes
 other folks' hackles get up.  You know how humor doesn't always read well
 on the internet?  Kind'a like that.  So, let me encourage the Riv listers
 not to take up the sword, when Grant may have put it down.
 A self-congratulatory sense of superiority is not charming.

 And now I'm going to go pull on a pair of lycra shorts, and a cotton polo
 shirt, and go for a dirt road ride on my Rambouillet.

 Peter Bridge
 San Diego

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[RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Bernard

A. Thanks for the sarcasm. B. There certainly were not a plethora of 
English 3-speeds running around here 25 years ago, and those hybrids 
mimicked the same riding position and drivetrains of MTBs. Also, the 
mid-'90s Globe was a sales failure, as Mike Sinyard addressed some years 
later when re-introducing the model. He said the market wasn't ready for it 
back then. I stand by my story: In 1990 the Bay Area was largely composed 
on lycra-kitted riders on two basic styles of bicycles. 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 3:34:04 PM UTC-8, pb wrote:



 On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 7:06:34 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

 When I started cycling in 1990 the landscape in Northern California was 
 roadies in lycra, mountain bikers in lycra, and po' folks like me in street 
 clothes on Goodwill beater bikes. There was no in between. 


 Hmmmn, that's odd.  I was selling bicycles in San Francisco, I think it 
 was 1989-1991, and I sold a lot of Crossroads hybrids.  A lot of them.  Did 
 I mention, a LOT of them?  That's because I really, really liked them.  
 Yeah, racer me.  I really liked hybrids, and I thought they made a lot of 
 sense for urban riding for all the obvious reasons.  Of course, I'd been 
 riding flat bar conversion road bikes since the mid-70's.  Most of 
 my customers in 89 thought they just had to have mountain bikes, and I 
 would ask them, so do you really see yourself riding dirt trails?  (No, we 
 just want to ride around town.)  So, I would say, do me a favor and just 
 try this Crossroads ...  just try it.  Just ride it once around the block.  
 And they would come back smiling, and I would know I had sold another bike, 
 and not infrequently, I would even sell them some fenders.
  

 Now there's a whole world of city bikes and country bikes and fixies and 
 cargo bikes and Dutch bikes being ridden in all manner of gear. Not to 
 mention tweed rides. All of this can be traced directly back to Grant's 
 insistence that there was a better way for a large portion of adult 
 cyclists to approach cycling  Grant Petersen changed cycling.


 Gosh, no doubt, definitely, but to be completely fair, there were a few 
 other folks who embraced a variety of ideas as well ...  let's see, Miyata 
 was offering full chaincase upright bikes in the US in the mid-80's (sweet 
 and lively 4130 bikes - I  bought my girlfriend one at The High Wheeler in 
 Boulder in 1984); I bought my Miyata 1000 in 1983, I think, but I'm not 
 sure about that one, it might have been a year or two later... and 
 Specialized and Schwinn were both offering a range of really scooty 700c 
 hybrids in the late 80's; Specialized had the Sequoia in 81, and into 
 production in 82, but maybe that's too sporty to count, although Grant 
 thought it was cool ... let's see, Specialized had Globe urban bikes in the 
 early 90's, didn't they?  Bruce Gordon introduced the Rock and Road in 1988 
   And I was selling flat bar road bike conversions with B17's to make 
 the upright riding position more comfortable (town shooters) to my 
 customers in Boulder in 1976 and 1977.  So yeah, lots of folks have had an 
 affinity for a variety of sensible and versatile bicycles.  Gosh, English 
 three speeds from the 30's and 40's and 50's and 60's, and Raleigh 
 Internationals, and the sweet Schwinn New World from the 40's, and French 
 low-trail rando bikes from the 50's, and Indian and Chinese roadsters, and 
 Nishiki's with 27 x 1 1/4 tires in the mid-70's  Indeed, a whole world 
 of bikes.  


  


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RE: [RBW] Re: 1x9 setup because I felt like it

2015-02-25 Thread Justin August

Delawhere?

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant sets them straight with letter to editor

2015-02-25 Thread Goshen Peter

One way to know your message has really gotten out there is when some
people you don't know start to genuinely hate you, hahaha!

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:16 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:



 Brewster Fong bfd...@gmail.com wrote:


 Btw, for all you paleo lovers, you'll hate this guy! While dropping 30lbs,
 he still eats like a pig and that includes massive amounts of noodles, rice
 and bread (hey, a guy's got to carbo load!)...


 Kudos to him! I wish I had a 24 oz beer right now with which to drink his
 health.




 You do see the what I call Rivendell guys out there too. But they actually
 kind of stand out dress like bums in their baggy shorts, seersucker
 shirts, etc.


 One of them, or a near relation,  passed me today at about a 50% speed
 differential, up a hill. Scruffy lout! I was wearing cycling kit, too!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Planning first longish bike tour in Oregon. Suggestions?