[RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

['doc' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What kind of gear/inch range do you typically get with the Rohloff?

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 5:26:33 PM UTC-4, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a rider who is experienced with the Rohloff hub to respond 
> to some questions I have.  I recently converted a Simpleone to a Rohloff 
> and have been riding it for about a week, a couple of hundred miles.  The 
> experience is different than I expected -- more challenging -- and I want 
> to see whether my experience is typical or uncommon.  
>
> I would those who might help me to respond with a private message.  I 
> don't want to clutter the discussion group postings.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivet Saddles

[Ron Mc]

My experience with SA v. Rivet is all about stretch.  SA Never stopped 
stretching on me - every ride - and every ride required turns of the 
stretch bolt.  
this much after the first 8 miles  


  

(luckily, the stop was a bike shop and brewpub)  


The Rivet stopped stretching after 100 miles, 



still stretches a bit during a ride, but now relaxes and recovers to a good 
base set and I haven't turned the stretch bolt in a year.  


On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 5:55:16 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> The Rivets to me feel very "rounded" on top across the back, much more so 
> than SAAs.  Also, SAA to me feel rather "sharp" at the edges and the edges 
> are horizontal, whereas the Rivets (and Brooks and Berthoud) have vertical 
> edges.
>
> On 10/27/2015 10:08 PM, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> How are they different Steve?
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 10:04:27 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>> Rivets may look like Sella Anatomicas, but they don't feel like them at 
>> all. 
>>
>> On 10/27/2015 07:13 PM, Bill Ruprecht wrote: 
>> > Another saddle to consider that is very similar in appearance is the 
>> Selle Anatomica X series. I switched to it from a brooks and find it much 
>> more comfortable. Kind of like a Hammock for your butt. 
>> > 
>> > I've never riden on a Rivet, but the Selle Anatomica is worth tryining 
>> and they have a 30 day comfort guarantee. Selleanatomica.com 
>> > 
>> > Bill 
>>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Matthew J]

> So thanks to the moderators for putting my first reply in so late it 
makes me look like  moron. :-P

Forum has a single moderator with a busy life who does this as a labor of 
love.  We are very lucky to have him and this forum.

On topic - I was a very early Rohloff adopter - deciding on Rohloff early 
in the process of my first custom build.  

The technology is fascinating.  The quality undeniable.  

That said, I never warmed to riding a bike with so much weight concentrated 
in one spot.  I ultimately sold the bike to a favorite local mechanic who 
has continues to ride it through all the variety of weather Chicago throws 
at us.

For my part, I have gone to 1x set ups and single speeds which match my 
riding preference much better than IGH.  My current city bike has a 
Velosteel single speed coaster hub which I grow to love more with every 
passing ride.

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Re: [RBW] Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[clyde canter]

Wheel flop?  If there is such a thing. Sounds like the way I've heard it
described.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Kevin Lindsey 
wrote:

> My Bleriot has begun acting strangely in that I can feel it "wandering"
> underneath me, as if the front wheel were loose and pointing a little bit
> this way, then a little bit that, and generally acting like it was losing
> its sense of balance.  The condition was so noticeable yesterday that I
> stopped more than once on my commute and checked to make sure that the
> steering and wheel were both secure (they seemed to be OK when I held the
> wheel with my knees and tried to jiggle the handlebars).  I thought maybe
> it was a worn headset, but the symptoms don't seem to match.  The bike's
> still rideable, but this condition seems to be worsening.
> Any ideas about what might be causing this problem?
> Thanks,
> Kevin
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Re: [RBW] Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Steve Palincsar]

But all Bleriots have wheel flop, and it doesn't change and become more 
or less pronounced.   This sounds to me like a headset problem.


On 10/28/2015 10:57 AM, clyde canter wrote:
Wheel flop?  If there is such a thing. Sounds like the way I've heard 
it described.


On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Kevin Lindsey 
> wrote:


My Bleriot has begun acting strangely in that I can feel it
"wandering" underneath me, as if the front wheel were loose and
pointing a little bit this way, then a little bit that, and
generally acting like it was losing its sense of balance.  The
condition was so noticeable yesterday that I stopped more than
once on my commute and checked to make sure that the steering and
wheel were both secure (they seemed to be OK when I held the wheel
with my knees and tried to jiggle the handlebars).  I thought
maybe it was a worn headset, but the symptoms don't seem to
match.  The bike's still rideable, but this condition seems to be
worsening.
Any ideas about what might be causing this problem?



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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Jeremy Till]

Things to check: 

1. Inspect the fork and frame closely for cracks, maybe by giving them a 
thorough wipe-down.  
2. You didn't mention a front rack, but if there is one, inspect that 
closely and make sure all its fasteners are tight.
3.. Headset too loose? Put weight on the saddle, lock the front brake and 
try rocking the bike forward and back.  If you feel a knock, the headset is 
probably too loose.  
4. Headset too tight/worn/indexed?  Seems likes you checked this already. 
 It can be subtle and hard to feel, but if it's causing steering issues it 
shouldn't be that subtle.  My test is lift the bike (with handlebars and 
front wheel installed) or hang it such that the front end is angling down 
45 deg or so, pull the handlebars to one side and release.  If the fork 
releases and freely swings past center before smoothly penduluming to it's 
natural lowest point, you're good.  If the headset is indexed, you'll see 
it "notch" into place as it comes back to center.  If the headset's way too 
tight or worn it won't swing back at all.  
5. Spoke tension on both wheels:  Spokes evenly and sufficiently tight all 
the way around?  No broken spokes?  
6. Tires evenly seated?



On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 12:26:14 PM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> My Bleriot has begun acting strangely in that I can feel it "wandering" 
> underneath me, as if the front wheel were loose and pointing a little bit 
> this way, then a little bit that, and generally acting like it was losing 
> its sense of balance.  The condition was so noticeable yesterday that I 
> stopped more than once on my commute and checked to make sure that the 
> steering and wheel were both secure (they seemed to be OK when I held the 
> wheel with my knees and tried to jiggle the handlebars).  I thought maybe 
> it was a worn headset, but the symptoms don't seem to match.  The bike's 
> still rideable, but this condition seems to be worsening.
> Any ideas about what might be causing this problem?  
> Thanks,
> Kevin
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

One more comment about my Bombaloff/Rohladil.

Because the frame wasn't built with the Rohloff hub in mind, I had to do two 
things that would be unnecessary on a bike designed for the hub: (i) install a 
torque arm, to prevent rotation in the dropout; and (ii) use Rohloff's chain 
tensioner.  Neither one has caused the slightest problem, and I loved my Bomba 
from the moment I climbed on it (it was the first of 8 or 9 Rivs I've owned), 
so I have no regrets about these "fixes."  When I told Stephen Bilenky (who had 
just repainted the Bomba frame for me) that I was going to try a Rohloff hub in 
it, he asked me why I hadn't had him put in an eccentric bottom bracket.  Duh.  
Now that failure I do kind of regret.

I have to say, though – a Bombadil with a Rohloff hub is da bomb for loaded 
touring.  And a conversation-starter to boot.

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To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

I agree.  I want to hear all about people's experiences with a Rohloff because 
I'm very interested in possibly going in that direction in the future.



On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 4:26:33 PM UTC-5, Steve Cole wrote:
I'm looking for a rider who is experienced with the Rohloff hub to respond to 
some questions I have.  I recently converted a Simpleone to a Rohloff and have 
been riding it for about a week, a couple of hundred miles.  The experience is 
different than I expected -- more challenging -- and I want to see whether my 
experience is typical or uncommon.

I would those who might help me to respond with a private message.  I don't 
want to clutter the discussion group postings.

Thanks,

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Leslie]

I think Patrick and Jeremy have you covered, but, just trying to cover the 
bases.

The 'squirreliest' thinng I've felt, is a crank-arm coming loose; I doubt 
it, but, if the headset doesn't solve it, check the pedals, the crank 
arms and the saddle, too, if it shifted around a bit, it could feel, 
unusual   

Not that I think these are the problem, I'm still onboard w/ Jeremy's list, 
but, if all of them check out, those are what I'd check next...  

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS/FT tires and thumbies

[Scott Shelton]

They measure 22.5mm with my calipers?

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Scott Shelton  wrote:

> I'll  measure
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Dave Redmon 
> wrote:
>
>> Will your Paul Thumbies fit drop bars?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 9:08:50 PM UTC-5, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>>>
>>> 2 x Schwalbe Big Ben 50 x 622 Race Guard LiteSkin w /3 presta tubes no
>>> patches  $65 shipped
>>>
>>> used with plenty of tread miles left see photos
>>>
>>> 2 x Compass Stampede Pass EL 700 x 32 w 3 schwalbe tubes 2 tubes have
>>> one patch each $125 shipped used less than 150 miles
>>>
>>> 2 x Compass Babyshoe Pass  650 x 42  brand new never mounted $110 shipped
>>>
>>> 1 x Soma Express 26 x 1.75   new never mounted $40 shipped
>>>
>>> 1 pair Paul Thumbies Black used $35 shipped
>>>
>>>
>>> looking to try Compass Switchback Hill non-EL or Thunder Burt 650 x 2.1
>>> 0r 2.25 snakebite and
>>> Compass Barlow Pass non-EL or Soma SHIKORO 700 x 42
>>> please send private message and paypal only
>>> https://nangaparbat.shutterfly.com/pictures/
>>> Cheers,
>>> Scott
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RE: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

>From Sheldon:

"The Speedhub  36 500/14 has a gear range of 526%, which means that the highest 
gear is 5.26 times higher than the lowest gear. Across the entire range of the 
14 gears shifts increase or decrease in even increments of 13.6%."

I'm running mine with a 44 tooth ring and a 16 tooth cog, which (with a 650B 
wheel shod with Thunder Burts) gives this range:

Low

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

-

High

19.9


22.6


25.7


29.2


33.2


37.8


42.9


48.8


55.3


63.0


71.5


81.2


92.4


104.9



The equal steps, linear shifts, and ability to shift at a stop are clutch.

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To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

What kind of gear/inch range do you typically get with the Rohloff?

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 5:26:33 PM UTC-4, Steve Cole wrote:
I'm looking for a rider who is experienced with the Rohloff hub to respond to 
some questions I have.  I recently converted a Simpleone to a Rohloff and have 
been riding it for about a week, a couple of hundred miles.  The experience is 
different than I expected -- more challenging -- and I want to see whether my 
experience is typical or uncommon.

I would those who might help me to respond with a private message.  I don't 
want to clutter the discussion group postings.

Thanks,

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA
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[RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Ginz]

Something is wrong.  The cables, I agree, are probably way too tight.  As 
for the "non-shifting" issue, try removing the external shift box (Assuming 
you have the external shift box.)  Put the bike in the workstand and try 
pedaling and shifting with a box end wrench.  If the probably persists, 
there is a demon in that hub.  Maybe contact Cycle Monkey and send it in 
for service.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Wow – what a sweet-looking bike.  I wondered if Steve Cole was the Steve I 
remembered from the Boathouse – now I know.

I have zero issues shifting my Rohloff, except from 7th to 8th, and even then 
only when I try to make that shift under load.  All other shifts can be made at 
rest or under anything short of a full load (of course better not to shift an 
IGH under any significant load – I'm just reporting that it works if you do, as 
long as the shift cable is adjusted correctly).  Your experience is definitely 
NOT normal.  You shouldn't have to do anything to make the hub disappear when 
riding – to me, the ease of shifting – any time, without any advance planning 
-- is half the benefit of the hub.  (Of course, thinking ahead for upcoming 
shifts is fun, too.)

Like others, I would suggest that you loosen the cables.  If I recall 
correctly, I couldn't get mine to shift when I first installed it, and that was 
the solution.  That's several years back, though, so the memory may be faulty.



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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Cole
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:21 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

Well, I guess I'll try to explain my situation.  I hope others find it of 
interest.

Background.  For a few years, I've been doing a deep dive on bicycles and 
cycling, a source of constant and great enjoyment. For years, I commuted to 
work on my 1968 Falcon San Remo, a bike that was my very first purchase with 
the first credit card I ever had (credit limit: $200; bike cost: $195).  As 
part of my deep dive, I had this bike restored.  I also have a 1973 Gitane 
tandem, also recently restored.  When I began my dive, I purchased a 
Kickstarter bamboo bike (see: www.herobike.com; check 
out the Semester bike).  I found it great in some respects -- it had 650B Col 
de Vie tires which made for an extremely comfortable ride.  The frame, however, 
suffered from shimmy in the front end, which a need-bearing headset did not 
fix, so, I started to look for a more satisfying ride.   I found it in an  A 
Homer Hilsen (59cm), which I've been riding with great pleasure. (Tom, we met 
at Fletcher's Boat House, when you and the group that Pondero put together 
headed up the C I didn't go along.  I admired your Rohloff-converted 
Bombadil.) The AHH in addition to replacing the bamboo bike also replaced a 
Specialized Rubaix Comp and a Scott city bike.  I guess I'm always in search of 
the perfect ride.

When I heard about the Rohloff hub, I thought this might be the key.   It seems 
like Daniel, I had a fascination with the design, German engineering, and I had 
been riding a bike with an 8-speed Shimano Alfine IGH (the aforementioned 
Scott).  I liked the Shimano a great deal; the only issue for me was that it 
did not have sufficient range (I've since sold that bike) and thought the 
14-speed Rohloff would address this.   I found a used Rohloff, purchased it, 
and set it aside.  I wasn't sure what to do with it; I expected some 
opportunity would present itself.  When it did, I thought, I could learn how 
the Rohloff compared to my AHH drivetrain, a Shimano Deore Riv standard 
buildup.  It has even occurred to me that after some time riding both bikes, I 
would settle on one and make it my life's ride.  We'll see.

I purchased a Simpleone frame (58 cm) off the RBW list a couple of months ago 
to have it built up with my Rohloff.  I'd seen a similar conversion so I knew 
it could be done with some adjustments.  A framebuilder did respace and reset 
(make them parallel again) the rear dropouts to accommodate the wider hub 
(135mm vs 120mm).  I then had the bike built up mostly with components of my 
choosing -- Paul Cantis, Albatross handlebars, Brooks Saddle, Nitto stem, 
seatpost, and racks Shimano bottom bracket, SP dynamo and the Rohloff 
drivetrain, importantly with a Berthoud shifter rather than the standard 
Rohloff shifter.  The shifter choice was mostly aesthetic -- all of the other 
components are silver, so I wanted the shifter also to be silver -- the Rohloff 
shifter is black.  I also had the hub serviced and added an external gear 
mechanisms.  With the QR axle it came with, the external gear mechanism would 
make fixing flats pretty much like other bikes.

So, what are my issues? First, I find the shifter, a grip shifter,  incredibly 
difficult to turn from one gear to the next, up or down. I don't think I'm 
stronger or weaker than most riders.  Still, if the shifter were any more 
difficult to turn, it would come close to seeming frozen.  Second, when I 
change from almost any gear to the next highest or lowest, I often, but not 
always, find that for a revolution or so of the pedals I feel like I am not in 
gear.  When this happens, if I stop pedaling or pedal backwards I then can 
pedal forward in the gear I have chosen.  I've read about the problem with 
shifting from 7th to 

[RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Deacon Patrick]

Welcome, Noel! If its any consolation, you did a much better job of it 
yourself with this comment. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 12:14:10 AM UTC-6, CyclesNoel wrote:
>
> So thanks to the moderators for putting my first reply in so late it makes 
> me look like  moron. :-P
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Re: [BOB] Re: [RBW] Recommended for customer service

[Patrick Moore]

The section he sent me is just shy of 7 mm thick. The flat ones on my
Dahon, perhaps not Woodys -- their OEM -- are almost as thick, 6.3 versus
6.7 mm.

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Joe Broach  wrote:

> Patrick or others,
>
> How thick are these wood fenders, and does Cody recommend washers between
> fender and frame, or are they tough enough to mount directly? They are
> gorgeous, and the flat profile seems safer with knobbies (with the right
> hardware).
>
> Best,
> joe in pdx or
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Patrick Moore 
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>> attention when I asked him numerous questions about getting wooden fenders
>> for one of my Rivendells. He sent me a section for fitting trial, and the
>> quality looks excellent.
>>
>> He said he would charge me $150 for a custom 26" pair without hardware
>> (as I had thought of fitting Berthoud hardware to mine, had I bought some).
>>
>> (As it is, for reasons of space, I've decided to first try adapting metal
>> or, if need be, plastic fenders.)
>>
>> http://www.woodysfenders.com/store/
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[RBW] Re: FS/FT tires and thumbies

[Dave Redmon]

Will your Paul Thumbies fit drop bars? 

Dave 

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 9:08:50 PM UTC-5, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>
> 2 x Schwalbe Big Ben 50 x 622 Race Guard LiteSkin w /3 presta tubes no 
> patches  $65 shipped   
>
> used with plenty of tread miles left see photos
>
> 2 x Compass Stampede Pass EL 700 x 32 w 3 schwalbe tubes 2 tubes have one 
> patch each $125 shipped used less than 150 miles
>
> 2 x Compass Babyshoe Pass  650 x 42  brand new never mounted $110 shipped
>
> 1 x Soma Express 26 x 1.75   new never mounted $40 shipped
>
> 1 pair Paul Thumbies Black used $35 shipped
>
>
> looking to try Compass Switchback Hill non-EL or Thunder Burt 650 x 2.1 0r 
> 2.25 snakebite and 
> Compass Barlow Pass non-EL or Soma SHIKORO 700 x 42
> please send private message and paypal only
> https://nangaparbat.shutterfly.com/pictures/
> Cheers,
> Scott
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[RBW] Re: Big in Hong Kong...

[Paul S]

I really like what this guy's style - a good example that you don't need 
disc brakes and bikepacking bags to hit the dirt roads for weeks at a time. 

In case you guys didn't know, this is his instagram:

https://instagram.com/ultraromance/

He also has a review of the Atlantis up on bikepacking.com

http://www.bikepacking.com/bikes/rivendell-atlantis-ultraromance/

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Grips: I think they weren't, then they were, then they reposted something 
that included that they weren't. Anyway, I will probably keep them stock, 
but the Rustines from VO are very nice, good looks, good ergo feel, good 
grip. I bought the white and the natural rubber. The white get dirty of 
course but that's okay. Easy to clean with Simple Green if you like.

On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 12:00:47 PM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> I believe that grips are included with the Clems.  Riv decided to include 
> them at some point, it's in the Blug.  Those rubber grips look good, 
> though.  Is that kickstand seen on El Sapo's Clem included?  I don't recall 
> reading about that anywhere.
>
> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 9:37:09 AM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>>
>> Do we know what is NOT coming with the complete bike?
>> I think I remember reading that saddle and pedals are included but grips 
>> aren't?
>> Does anyone know for sure?
>> I have a Med 'tine on the way
>> If grips aren't installed, I'm thinking these natural rubber grips from 
>> V.O. would do the trick
>>
>> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/leather-goods-handlebar-grips/constructeur-rubber-grip.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[CyclesNoel]

So thanks to the moderators for putting my first reply in so late it makes 
me look like  moron. :-P

WRT to the OP's question: I agree that the problem is probably that the 
cables are too tight. Backing off both adjustors half a turn or so will 
probably make a big difference. Of course, the Rohloff is never as 
quick/positive as a well set-up indexing derailleur, but I find that a 
half-revolution of "soft" pedaling is enough to allow a positive change, 
even between seven and eight.

I have found, though, that on hot days my hands are sweaty enough that 
turning the slick rubber shifter can be tough. I eventfully glued some 
skateboard tape onto the shifter. This looks like hell, but works a treat.

HTH, 

Noel

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 6:21:11 PM UTC-7, Steve Cole wrote:

> Well, I guess I'll try to explain my situation.  I hope others find it of 
> interest.
>
> *Background*.  For a few years, I've been doing a deep dive on bicycles 
> and cycling, a source of constant and great enjoyment. For years, I 
> commuted to work on my 1968 Falcon San Remo, a bike that was my very first 
> purchase with the first credit card I ever had (credit limit: $200; bike 
> cost: $195).  As part of my deep dive, I had this bike restored.  I also 
> have a 1973 Gitane tandem, also recently restored.  When I began my dive, I 
> purchased 
> a Kickstarter bamboo bike (see: www.herobike.com; check out the Semester 
> bike).  I found it great in some respects -- it had 650B Col de Vie tires 
> which made for an extremely comfortable ride.  The frame, however, suffered 
> from shimmy in the front end, which a need-bearing headset did not fix, so, 
> I started to look for a more satisfying ride.   I found it in an  A Homer 
> Hilsen (59cm), which I've been riding with great pleasure. (Tom, we met at 
> Fletcher's Boat House, when you and the group that Pondero put together 
> headed up the C I didn't go along.  I admired your Rohloff-converted 
> Bombadil.) The AHH in addition to replacing the bamboo bike also replaced a 
> Specialized Rubaix Comp and a Scott city bike.  I guess I'm always in 
> search of the perfect ride. 
>
> When I heard about the Rohloff hub, I thought this might be the key.   It 
> seems like Daniel, I had a fascination with the design, German engineering, 
> and I had been riding a bike with an 8-speed Shimano Alfine IGH (the 
> aforementioned Scott).  I liked the Shimano a great deal; the only issue 
> for me was that it did not have sufficient range (I've since sold that 
> bike) and thought the 14-speed Rohloff would address this.   I found a 
> used Rohloff, purchased it, and set it aside.  I wasn't sure what to do 
> with it; I expected some opportunity would present itself.  When it did, I 
> thought, I could learn how the Rohloff compared to my AHH drivetrain, a 
> Shimano Deore Riv standard buildup.  It has even occurred to me that after 
> some time riding both bikes, I would settle on one and make it my life's 
> ride.  We'll see.
>
> I purchased a Simpleone frame (58 cm) off the RBW list a couple of months 
> ago to have it built up with my Rohloff.  I'd seen a similar conversion so 
> I knew it could be done with some adjustments.  A framebuilder did respace 
> and reset (make them parallel again) the rear dropouts to accommodate the 
> wider hub (135mm vs 120mm).  I then had the bike built up mostly with 
> components of my choosing -- Paul Cantis, Albatross handlebars, Brooks 
> Saddle, Nitto stem, seatpost, and racks Shimano bottom bracket, SP dynamo 
> and the Rohloff drivetrain, importantly with a Berthoud shifter rather than 
> the standard Rohloff shifter.  The shifter choice was mostly aesthetic -- 
> all of the other components are silver, so I wanted the shifter also to be 
> silver -- the Rohloff shifter is black.  I also had the hub serviced and 
> added an external gear mechanisms.  With the QR axle it came with, the 
> external gear mechanism would make fixing flats pretty much like other 
> bikes.
>
> So, what are my issues? First, I find the shifter, a grip shifter, 
>  incredibly difficult to turn from one gear to the next, up or down. I 
> don't think I'm stronger or weaker than most riders.  Still, if the shifter 
> were any more difficult to turn, it would come close to seeming frozen. 
>  Second, when I change from almost any gear to the next highest or lowest, 
> I often, but not always, find that for a revolution or so of the pedals I 
> feel like I am not in gear.  When this happens, if I stop pedaling or pedal 
> backwards I then can pedal forward in the gear I have chosen.  I've read 
> about the problem with shifting from 7th to 8th gear and don't think this 
> is what am experiencing.  I worry that this isn't safe as I have less 
> control over the bicycle  and cannot depend on being able to do what is 
> sometimes needed to avoid problems.
>
> I have never ridden another bike with a Rohloff hub. I have no point of 
> reference -- I simply don't know what 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS/FT tires and thumbies

[mikel66...@juno.com]

road bar thumbies fit on the bulged sleeves of Noodle bars if that helps

What's your flood risk?
Knowing your flood risk and being prepared can help keep your family safe and 
reduce potential damages.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5630ed776149a6d7738c0st03duc

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS/FT tires and thumbies

[Scott Shelton]

Hello Dave,
I do not know if they will widen to fit 23.8mm. I have never used the
thumbies with any index shifters.
Cheers

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Dave Redmon  wrote:

> So will 22.5 mm not widen to 23.8mm road bar diameter when it comes to
> Pauls Thumbies? And will Dura Ace indexed 7900 10 spd downtube shifters
> work with Paul Thumbies anyway?
>
> Dave Redmon
> On Oct 28, 2015 10:40 AM, "Scott Shelton"  wrote:
>
>> They measure 22.5mm with my calipers?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Scott Shelton 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll  measure
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Dave Redmon 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Will your Paul Thumbies fit drop bars?

 Dave


 On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 9:08:50 PM UTC-5, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>
> 2 x Schwalbe Big Ben 50 x 622 Race Guard LiteSkin w /3 presta tubes no
> patches  $65 shipped
>
> used with plenty of tread miles left see photos
>
> 2 x Compass Stampede Pass EL 700 x 32 w 3 schwalbe tubes 2 tubes have
> one patch each $125 shipped used less than 150 miles
>
> 2 x Compass Babyshoe Pass  650 x 42  brand new never mounted $110
> shipped
>
> 1 x Soma Express 26 x 1.75   new never mounted $40 shipped
>
> 1 pair Paul Thumbies Black used $35 shipped
>
>
> looking to try Compass Switchback Hill non-EL or Thunder Burt 650 x
> 2.1 0r 2.25 snakebite and
> Compass Barlow Pass non-EL or Soma SHIKORO 700 x 42
> please send private message and paypal only
> https://nangaparbat.shutterfly.com/pictures/
> Cheers,
> Scott
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[RBW] Re: The Riv Allrounder at Zion

[Deacon Patrick]

Stunning!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 10:02:38 AM UTC-6, Addison wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> My wife's family has owned land adjacent to Zion for decades and we made a 
> quick trip down there.  
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS/FT tires and thumbies

[mikel66...@juno.com]

paul thumbies came is shimano, campy and sram comfigurations too..what kind are 
yours

What's your flood risk?
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[RBW] Re: FS/FT tires and thumbies

[Nanga Parbat]

Compass Stampede Pass EL -SOLD
Thumbies are the 22.2mm

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 7:08:50 PM UTC-7, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>
> 2 x Schwalbe Big Ben 50 x 622 Race Guard LiteSkin w /3 presta tubes no 
> patches  $65 shipped   
>
> used with plenty of tread miles left see photos
>
> 2 x Compass Stampede Pass EL 700 x 32 w 3 schwalbe tubes 2 tubes have one 
> patch each $125 shipped used less than 150 miles
>
> 2 x Compass Babyshoe Pass  650 x 42  brand new never mounted $110 shipped
>
> 1 x Soma Express 26 x 1.75   new never mounted $40 shipped
>
> 1 pair Paul Thumbies Black used $35 shipped
>
>
> looking to try Compass Switchback Hill non-EL or Thunder Burt 650 x 2.1 0r 
> 2.25 snakebite and 
> Compass Barlow Pass non-EL or Soma SHIKORO 700 x 42
> please send private message and paypal only
> https://nangaparbat.shutterfly.com/pictures/
> Cheers,
> Scott
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS/FT tires and thumbies

[Dave Redmon]

So will 22.5 mm not widen to 23.8mm road bar diameter when it comes to
Pauls Thumbies? And will Dura Ace indexed 7900 10 spd downtube shifters
work with Paul Thumbies anyway?

Dave Redmon
On Oct 28, 2015 10:40 AM, "Scott Shelton"  wrote:

> They measure 22.5mm with my calipers?
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Scott Shelton 
> wrote:
>
>> I'll  measure
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Dave Redmon 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Will your Paul Thumbies fit drop bars?
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 9:08:50 PM UTC-5, Nanga Parbat wrote:

 2 x Schwalbe Big Ben 50 x 622 Race Guard LiteSkin w /3 presta tubes no
 patches  $65 shipped

 used with plenty of tread miles left see photos

 2 x Compass Stampede Pass EL 700 x 32 w 3 schwalbe tubes 2 tubes have
 one patch each $125 shipped used less than 150 miles

 2 x Compass Babyshoe Pass  650 x 42  brand new never mounted $110
 shipped

 1 x Soma Express 26 x 1.75   new never mounted $40 shipped

 1 pair Paul Thumbies Black used $35 shipped


 looking to try Compass Switchback Hill non-EL or Thunder Burt 650 x 2.1
 0r 2.25 snakebite and
 Compass Barlow Pass non-EL or Soma SHIKORO 700 x 42
 please send private message and paypal only
 https://nangaparbat.shutterfly.com/pictures/
 Cheers,
 Scott

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[RBW] The Riv Allrounder at Zion

[Addison Wilhite]

Hello all,
My wife's family has owned land adjacent to Zion for decades and we made a
quick trip down there.  I took the Allrounder for the riding from our farm
up to the back entrance to the park and the "guacamole trail."  Thought I'd
share photos from a couple of posts.  Enjoy!

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2015/10/would-you-like-guacamole-with-that-trip.html

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2015/10/fall-break-quick-trip-to-zion.html

Best,

Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 

Vice Chair: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory
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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've been on two bikes that felt exactly like that, one while seated, the 
other while out of the saddle.

The seated one was an old Raleigh that the drive side chainstay had broken 
at the dropout. So even though it was the back wheel shifting, it showed up 
in the steering. Much like piloting a tandem when the stoker moves around 
excessively.

The out of the saddle one was an Alan bonded aluminum road bike. The seat 
tube had actually come unbonded at the BB "lug" and would pull out 
completely when standing and the bb would wag side to side. It would settle 
back in and look normal soon as you sat down or got off the bike. Took a 
while before happened to look down while out of the saddle. Really weird 
sensation that was hard to pinpoint. The steering just got real loose 
feeling, so I was focused on the front of the bike.

I would certainly fine tooth comb the frame if the headset turns out to be 
fine.

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Re: [RBW] The Riv Allrounder at Zion

[Mike Williams]

Wow! Thanks for sharing Addison,  looks like really great riding!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Addison Wilhite  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> My wife's family has owned land adjacent to Zion for decades and we made a 
> quick trip down there.  I took the Allrounder for the riding from our farm up 
> to the back entrance to the park and the "guacamole trail."  Thought I'd 
> share photos from a couple of posts.  Enjoy!
> 
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2015/10/would-you-like-guacamole-with-that-trip.html
> 
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2015/10/fall-break-quick-trip-to-zion.html
> 
> Best,
> 
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
> 
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
> 
> “Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”
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> 
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> 
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> Committee
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS/FT tires and thumbies

[Scott Shelton]

I'll  measure

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Dave Redmon  wrote:

> Will your Paul Thumbies fit drop bars?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 9:08:50 PM UTC-5, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>>
>> 2 x Schwalbe Big Ben 50 x 622 Race Guard LiteSkin w /3 presta tubes no
>> patches  $65 shipped
>>
>> used with plenty of tread miles left see photos
>>
>> 2 x Compass Stampede Pass EL 700 x 32 w 3 schwalbe tubes 2 tubes have one
>> patch each $125 shipped used less than 150 miles
>>
>> 2 x Compass Babyshoe Pass  650 x 42  brand new never mounted $110 shipped
>>
>> 1 x Soma Express 26 x 1.75   new never mounted $40 shipped
>>
>> 1 pair Paul Thumbies Black used $35 shipped
>>
>>
>> looking to try Compass Switchback Hill non-EL or Thunder Burt 650 x 2.1
>> 0r 2.25 snakebite and
>> Compass Barlow Pass non-EL or Soma SHIKORO 700 x 42
>> please send private message and paypal only
>> https://nangaparbat.shutterfly.com/pictures/
>> Cheers,
>> Scott
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS/FT tires and thumbies

[Scott Shelton]

These were purchased more than 10 years ago, I have used them with Shimano
shifters only. The current model shows a slightly different shifter mount.
Sorry I can not be more helpful.
Cheers,
Scott

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> paul thumbies came is shimano, campy and sram comfigurations too..what
> kind are yours
> 
> What's your flood risk?
> Knowing your flood risk and being prepared can help keep your family safe
> and reduce potential damages.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5630ed3b194656d3a317fst03duc
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FW: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions, now S-A X-RF8

[olofstroh]

 

 

From: Olof Stroh [mailto:o...@stroh.ee] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:11 PM
To: 'rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions, now S-A X-RF8

 

I have no need for 14 gears and 526%, but have looked more than once upon 
Sturmey-Archers x-rf8 on the net. 8 gears and a comfortable difference of 14% 
between normal gears. Somebody with experience?

 

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kevin Lindsey]

All -
Many thanks for the excellent suggestions.  I'll put the bike up on the 
stand this weekend and see if I can determine what's what.  
All the best,
Kevin

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 12:22:21 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:
>
> I've been on two bikes that felt exactly like that, one while seated, the 
> other while out of the saddle.
>
> The seated one was an old Raleigh that the drive side chainstay had broken 
> at the dropout. So even though it was the back wheel shifting, it showed up 
> in the steering. Much like piloting a tandem when the stoker moves around 
> excessively.
>
> The out of the saddle one was an Alan bonded aluminum road bike. The seat 
> tube had actually come unbonded at the BB "lug" and would pull out 
> completely when standing and the bb would wag side to side. It would settle 
> back in and look normal soon as you sat down or got off the bike. Took a 
> while before happened to look down while out of the saddle. Really weird 
> sensation that was hard to pinpoint. The steering just got real loose 
> feeling, so I was focused on the front of the bike.
>
> I would certainly fine tooth comb the frame if the headset turns out to be 
> fine.
>

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Kurt Manley]

I wouldn't ride it till you get it figured out. I agree it sounds like a 
possible headset but I too have have similar issues when I have broken a 
frame (chainstay) and had a fork crack at the crown. Hope it's something 
easy but risking a frame failing completely isn't worth it.

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 9:39:43 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> All -
> Many thanks for the excellent suggestions.  I'll put the bike up on the 
> stand this weekend and see if I can determine what's what.  
> All the best,
> Kevin
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 12:22:21 PM UTC-4, jinxed wrote:
>>
>> I've been on two bikes that felt exactly like that, one while seated, the 
>> other while out of the saddle.
>>
>> The seated one was an old Raleigh that the drive side chainstay had 
>> broken at the dropout. So even though it was the back wheel shifting, it 
>> showed up in the steering. Much like piloting a tandem when the stoker 
>> moves around excessively.
>>
>> The out of the saddle one was an Alan bonded aluminum road bike. The seat 
>> tube had actually come unbonded at the BB "lug" and would pull out 
>> completely when standing and the bb would wag side to side. It would settle 
>> back in and look normal soon as you sat down or got off the bike. Took a 
>> while before happened to look down while out of the saddle. Really weird 
>> sensation that was hard to pinpoint. The steering just got real loose 
>> feeling, so I was focused on the front of the bike.
>>
>> I would certainly fine tooth comb the frame if the headset turns out to 
>> be fine.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS LongLow F/F/HS

[Ryan Fleming]

That seems to be a pretty sweet deal to me...someone should be all over 
this. Frame looks like it's in nice shapeyeah, sure a 17 year-old frame 
but it's a classic for someone looking for this size. I actually like the 
plainer lugs

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 11:55:59 PM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>
> For Sale:
>
> Rivendell LongLow 
> ST 59.5cm CTT, TT 58cm CTC.
> Joe Starck Built, Joe Bell Paint
> Canti brake posts.  Also has provision for side pulls at fork and seat 
> stay.
>
> Clearance for 35mm tires with fenders.  35mm Kojaks with SKS have good 
> clearance.  I was running 36mm tires with Planet Bike fenders with no rub, 
> but clearance was tighter. 33" standover.
>
> The bicycle is in Edmonton AB Canada.  Canada Post/USPS shipping seems to 
> be around CAD$150.  Assuming I've calculated the shipping correctly, how 
> about US$750 shipped CON/USA?  If I have got the rates wrong, it would have 
> to ship FedEx Ground. Canadian buyers would get a discount for the 
> difference of shipping.  
>
> Frame is in very nice condition. Comes with Stronglight A9 Needle Bearing 
> Headset.  Headset has some not too noticeable tool marks from a roadside 
> adjustment using a plumber's wrench.  Jaws were not well enough protected. 
>   Frame and fork have the usual nicks and chips, but no dents.  Condition 
> is generally excellent.  Beautiful paint job.  858 OS top tube, 969 OS 
> downtube.  Similar to the Rambouillet, but USA made and Joe Bell paint.
>
> I bought the frame in 2012 and built it up.  See post:  
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/longlow/rbw-owners-bunch/xgGr_x3hEl8/SZClpi0qu6cJ
>
> The frame is a little big for me.  Would be interested in some manner of 
> trade for a Rawland ML rSogn.
>
> Ian A/Edmonton Canada.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT tires and thumbies

[Nanga Parbat]

Big Bens are SOLD

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 7:08:50 PM UTC-7, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>
> 2 x Schwalbe Big Ben 50 x 622 Race Guard LiteSkin w /3 presta tubes no 
> patches  $65 shipped   
>
> used with plenty of tread miles left see photos
>
> 2 x Compass Stampede Pass EL 700 x 32 w 3 schwalbe tubes 2 tubes have one 
> patch each $125 shipped used less than 150 miles
>
> 2 x Compass Babyshoe Pass  650 x 42  brand new never mounted $110 shipped
>
> 1 x Soma Express 26 x 1.75   new never mounted $40 shipped
>
> 1 pair Paul Thumbies Black used $35 shipped
>
>
> looking to try Compass Switchback Hill non-EL or Thunder Burt 650 x 2.1 0r 
> 2.25 snakebite and 
> Compass Barlow Pass non-EL or Soma SHIKORO 700 x 42
> please send private message and paypal only
> https://nangaparbat.shutterfly.com/pictures/
> Cheers,
> Scott
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivet Saddles

[Deacon Patrick]

Of course all this is just a whole of of cheeky opinions that may not crack 
up to much, so perhaps we should just butt out before they chafe? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 2:20:04 PM UTC-6, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Anybody have any experience with them? Thoughts? 
>
> Thanks,
> D.
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Re: [RBW] Rivet Saddles

[Kieran J]

While I'm (mostly) a lover of SA saddles, I recently did a couple of rides 
on a Rivet Pearl I had in the parts bin. To my eye (and keister) the Rivet 
more closely resembles a B17 than the SA Titanico - both in feel and 
appearance. Overall, I quite liked it (FWIW to you).

KJ
   

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 10:08:47 PM UTC-4, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> How are they different Steve?
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 10:04:27 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> Rivets may look like Sella Anatomicas, but they don't feel like them at 
>> all. 
>>
>> On 10/27/2015 07:13 PM, Bill Ruprecht wrote: 
>> > Another saddle to consider that is very similar in appearance is the 
>> Selle Anatomica X series. I switched to it from a brooks and find it much 
>> more comfortable. Kind of like a Hammock for your butt. 
>> > 
>> > I've never riden on a Rivet, but the Selle Anatomica is worth tryining 
>> and they have a 30 day comfort guarantee. Selleanatomica.com 
>> > 
>> > Bill 
>> > 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Va. Capital Trail open!

['Paul Germain' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Let me know if you would like company on the trail Tony. I could act as your 
"official" history guide!


Feel free to pass on these, but this was an overnighter last Feb. on a 
warm(ish) weekend that some of us did on the trail from Charles City Courthouse 
to the campground, taking in some backroads on the way down:


https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157650307930637



Paul


Paul Germain
www.GermainArt.com
germain...@aol.com




-Original Message-
From: Tony DeFilippo 
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2015 1:22 am
Subject: [RBW] Re: Va. Capital Trail open!



Excellent news, thanks for the heads up and for sharing the pictures!  My 
friends run a boy scout camp near Jamestown - Pipsico.  I'll try to add a ride 
on the VA Capital Trail to my next visit!!


Tony





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Re: [RBW] Rivet Saddles

[Ron Mc]

ps - just because my SA didn't last for me to my expectations, doesn't mean 
you won't be totally satisfied with it.  
I'm 6'3", 215 lbs.  I will say it was the most invisible saddle I've ever 
ridden.  

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:14:20 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> My experience with SA v. Rivet is all about stretch.  SA Never stopped 
> stretching on me - every ride - and every ride required turns of the 
> stretch bolt.  
> this much after the first 8 miles  
>
>
> 
>   
>
> (luckily, the stop was a bike shop and brewpub)  
>
>
> The Rivet stopped stretching after 100 miles, 
>
>
> 
>
> still stretches a bit during a ride, but now relaxes and recovers to a 
> good base set and I haven't turned the stretch bolt in a year.  
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 5:55:16 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> The Rivets to me feel very "rounded" on top across the back, much more so 
>> than SAAs.  Also, SAA to me feel rather "sharp" at the edges and the edges 
>> are horizontal, whereas the Rivets (and Brooks and Berthoud) have vertical 
>> edges.
>>
>> On 10/27/2015 10:08 PM, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> How are they different Steve?
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 10:04:27 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>>
>>> Rivets may look like Sella Anatomicas, but they don't feel like them at 
>>> all. 
>>>
>>> On 10/27/2015 07:13 PM, Bill Ruprecht wrote: 
>>> > Another saddle to consider that is very similar in appearance is the 
>>> Selle Anatomica X series. I switched to it from a brooks and find it much 
>>> more comfortable. Kind of like a Hammock for your butt. 
>>> > 
>>> > I've never riden on a Rivet, but the Selle Anatomica is worth tryining 
>>> and they have a 30 day comfort guarantee. Selleanatomica.com 
>>> > 
>>> > Bill 
>>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS LongLow F/F/HS

[Ryan Ray]

The pain job is just amazing. I JUST bought a bike but Ian if you took 
better photos showing off tat paint job I bet this would be sold already. 

"35mm Kojaks with SKS have good clearance" + that paint job = very sweet 
bike.


- Ryan







On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 11:06:05 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> That seems to be a pretty sweet deal to me...someone should be all over 
> this. Frame looks like it's in nice shapeyeah, sure a 17 year-old frame 
> but it's a classic for someone looking for this size. I actually like the 
> plainer lugs
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 11:55:59 PM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>>
>> For Sale:
>>
>> Rivendell LongLow 
>> ST 59.5cm CTT, TT 58cm CTC.
>> Joe Starck Built, Joe Bell Paint
>> Canti brake posts.  Also has provision for side pulls at fork and seat 
>> stay.
>>
>> Clearance for 35mm tires with fenders.  35mm Kojaks with SKS have good 
>> clearance.  I was running 36mm tires with Planet Bike fenders with no rub, 
>> but clearance was tighter. 33" standover.
>>
>> The bicycle is in Edmonton AB Canada.  Canada Post/USPS shipping seems to 
>> be around CAD$150.  Assuming I've calculated the shipping correctly, how 
>> about US$750 shipped CON/USA?  If I have got the rates wrong, it would have 
>> to ship FedEx Ground. Canadian buyers would get a discount for the 
>> difference of shipping.  
>>
>> Frame is in very nice condition. Comes with Stronglight A9 Needle Bearing 
>> Headset.  Headset has some not too noticeable tool marks from a roadside 
>> adjustment using a plumber's wrench.  Jaws were not well enough protected. 
>>   Frame and fork have the usual nicks and chips, but no dents.  Condition 
>> is generally excellent.  Beautiful paint job.  858 OS top tube, 969 OS 
>> downtube.  Similar to the Rambouillet, but USA made and Joe Bell paint.
>>
>> I bought the frame in 2012 and built it up.  See post:  
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/longlow/rbw-owners-bunch/xgGr_x3hEl8/SZClpi0qu6cJ
>>
>> The frame is a little big for me.  Would be interested in some manner of 
>> trade for a Rawland ML rSogn.
>>
>> Ian A/Edmonton Canada.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Tail wind, head wind

[JohnS]

Yesterday I got out for a really nice ride of about 38 miles. The day 
had an overcast sky with temps around 50, which made for a pleasant if not 
cool ride. We're in the middle of fall here in eastern PA with all the 
trees in various shades of oranges, reds, yellows and browns. My ride 
started out very well. I felt great and was making it up hills in the 
cruising gear on the Quickbeam. I thought that I must be getting in better 
shape since some of the hills seamed easier than they had been earlier in 
the season. That all changed when I got to the mid point of the ride and 
turn east onto Lyon Valley road into a head wind. Ugh! No wonder why the 
hills were easier, I had a tail wind the whole way up to that point and the 
rest of the ride would more or less be into a head wind. I don't know which 
is worse, to ride into a head with the hope that I'll have a tail wind for 
the ride home or finding out that my sudden improvement in performance was 
only due to a gentle push from behind by a tail wind. 
 
Hope you're enjoying the fall weather for riding as well,
JohnS

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RE: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Edwin W]

I am building mine as a first 26 inch size bike as my boys grow into that size. 
The first one 9 years old) will get it as soon as I get it built up, assuming 
he can fit!
Cockpit: dirt drop stem and swept back bars so that he can reach. Cotton grips. 
Shifting: simple thumbie for a 1x8 with Altus derailer. 
Crank: 165mm, 36t and a chainguard. 
Cassette: shimano 11-30
Wheels: basic wheels from Taylor wheels. Thank you strong dollar. Basic shimano 
Dynamo hub up front. 
Tires: Pasela 26x1.75 (the smallest I should go, said Riv, but I want to keep 
this bike small). 
Dynamo hub up front. 
Brakes Avid v brakes. 
Levers shimano mountain. 
Fenders: p55 sks
Lights: b and m lyt up front, topline plus on back
Racks: working on that. I have a pletscher for the rear and a Gamoh porter for 
the front, but might be too much. 

Looking forward to getting this thing and taking wy too long to build it 
up. 

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivet Saddles

[Jim Bronson]

I feel compelled to contribute to this thread that Deb is a real swell
lady to ride with!  Always has a smile on her face.  We had a late
season 600K here in the Austin area last December and she flew out
along with some other RUSA characters and we had a real good time.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> Debra will sell you any saddle for a $35 trial.  You can buy a trial right
> online.  After two months or so, you either pay the balance or send it back
> to her.
>
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 5:10:32 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I have a Diablo on my go-fast and it will stay there.  They rounder than
>> Brooks and generally feel harder, but they work quite well.  Others have
>> posted that B17 was too narrow for them, and Pearl was a perfect fit.
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 4:17:33 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> I love mine. Diablos on both: Hunqapillar and Quickbeam.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 2:20:04 PM UTC-6, Daniel Jackson wrote:

 Anybody have any experience with them? Thoughts?

 Thanks,
 D.
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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Montclair BobbyB]

ANYONE have a photo of a 59cm Clementine with fat 700c tires, or a 
confirmation photo of the (new) orange color.  I suppose I could always 
just wait for mine to arrive but I don't want to :)

BB 

On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 7:17:26 PM UTC-4, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> I just got an email from Riv informing me that my bike is on the way! 
>  W00t!
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RE: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Those Gamoh porters are very heavy -- might be a bit of a struggle for your 
boys. 

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edwin W
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:43 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: RE: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

I am building mine as a first 26 inch size bike as my boys grow into that size. 
The first one 9 years old) will get it as soon as I get it built up, assuming 
he can fit!
Cockpit: dirt drop stem and swept back bars so that he can reach. Cotton grips. 
Shifting: simple thumbie for a 1x8 with Altus derailer. 
Crank: 165mm, 36t and a chainguard. 
Cassette: shimano 11-30
Wheels: basic wheels from Taylor wheels. Thank you strong dollar. Basic shimano 
Dynamo hub up front. 
Tires: Pasela 26x1.75 (the smallest I should go, said Riv, but I want to keep 
this bike small). 
Dynamo hub up front. 
Brakes Avid v brakes. 
Levers shimano mountain. 
Fenders: p55 sks
Lights: b and m lyt up front, topline plus on back
Racks: working on that. I have a pletscher for the rear and a Gamoh porter for 
the front, but might be too much. 

Looking forward to getting this thing and taking wy too long to build it 
up. 

Edwin

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Technomic Deluxe 70mm

[Ed Felker]

Excellent condition, 70mm Deluxe stem. I purchased it from a list member
who incorrectly sold it to me as an 80mm, so I have't installed or ridden
it.

Slight marks above the minimum insertion line. Photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/albums/72157660056416390

$50 shipped. Paypal preferred.

Ed Felker
Washington, DC

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[dougP]

"With the JA, sounds like maybe, possibly, they are thinking of finally 
retiring the flagship...slowly, gently"

Certainly lots of mention of the differences between Joe & 
Atlantislonger stays, more tire clearance, etc.  The Atlantis has been 
around since 1999.75.  Maybe with the design philosophy leaning toward 
longer stays, this seems to be the direction of the future.  The real 
capper is getting a complete bike for less than the price of a frame & 
fork.  Hard to argue with that.  

dougP, happily growing old with a 12 year old Atlantis.  


On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:02:19 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I really like the proto silver color with the cream, understated classy 
> but not boring. With the JA, sounds like maybe, possibly, they are thinking 
> of finally retiring the flagship...slowly, gently
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 7:56:40 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I *love* the bars. Very cool looking, and in that "reach straight back 
>> at you" shape which seems to be the only one I can ride more than 5 
>> miles. The fork crown is pretty sweet, too. I love the bike..we'll see 
>> about the color. I'm not a big fan of Sam Blue, but the Clem Blue is 
>> awesome. I'm in no position to fork over 2100 bucks right now, so I won't 
>> be one of the early-adopter trusting people; I look forward to seeing them 
>> next year.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>>> cool.  looks like a fun bike, and a good deal.  not sure how i feel 
>>> about the new bars yet.  if i didnt have a sam and a bunch of parts lying 
>>> around, i'd be all over this. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Tim Wood]

Look at that grey!! Can't wait. I'm sure I'm biased but the 59 Clem's look 
proportionately just right. Do you have any more Clem photos from your visit?

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Wayne Naha]

No regrets here.  But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't love to have a Joe 
alongside my Clem.  It just that when my wife and I were discussing my Clem 
purchase she asked, "Is this the last bike you are going to buy *during our 
marriage*?"  It's a little soon to try and weasel out of that one.

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 11:35:10 PM UTC-4, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem but 
> the 58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features (long chain 
> stays, tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it seems the 
> joe could be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the Clem 
> geometries prevent it from being a go fast or drop bar bike, but that being 
> said I haven't even ridden it yet. The joe is obviously in a different 
> price bracket and I don't see the purpose of owning both one day due to 
> their similarities. I'm just going to love my Clem and have fun riding it, 
> that hasn't changed.

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[RBW] Bleriot with Middle Ear Problem?

[Joe Bernard]

This is probably a silly question, but does the front tire have enough air? 
What you're describing sounds like a tire flopping back and forth on the rim. 
Low tire pressure - especially on a big-ish tire - can still look rideable 
until it's almost completely flat. 

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I really like the proto silver color with the cream, understated classy but 
not boring. With the JA, sounds like maybe, possibly, they are thinking of 
finally retiring the flagship...slowly, gently

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 7:56:40 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I *love* the bars. Very cool looking, and in that "reach straight back at 
> you" shape which seems to be the only one I can ride more than 5 miles. The 
> fork crown is pretty sweet, too. I love the bike..we'll see about the 
> color. I'm not a big fan of Sam Blue, but the Clem Blue is awesome. I'm in 
> no position to fork over 2100 bucks right now, so I won't be one of the 
> early-adopter trusting people; I look forward to seeing them next year.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
>> cool.  looks like a fun bike, and a good deal.  not sure how i feel about 
>> the new bars yet.  if i didnt have a sam and a bunch of parts lying around, 
>> i'd be all over this. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Tim Wood]

Any Clem buyers regretting their decision? I'm waiting for my 59 Clem but the 
58 Joe seems appealing. A lot of the same positive features (long chain stays, 
tire clearance, high bars, load carrying capacity), but it seems the joe could 
be set up as a drop bar fast tourer. I feel like the Clem geometries prevent it 
from being a go fast or drop bar bike, but that being said I haven't even 
ridden it yet. The joe is obviously in a different price bracket and I don't 
see the purpose of owning both one day due to their similarities. I'm just 
going to love my Clem and have fun riding it, that hasn't changed.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags. Carradice, Acorn, Axiom

[Ryan Ray]

I believe all are spoken for. Thanks for looking.





On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 6:06:46 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> Selling some bags I don't use. Strong preference to meet up in Seattle and 
> not ship but I will ship too.
>
> Carradice Camper Longflap Black + SQR
> Originally $145 + $30
> Used lots
> $100 + shipping of your choice
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/22344413779/in/datetaken/
>
> Acorn Handlebar Bag Black
> Originally $105
> Used lots
> $65 + shipping of your choice
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/22542391711/in/datetaken/
>
> Axiom Seymour DLX 30 Pannier Set Black Gray
> Originally $75
> Used twice
> $40 + shipping of your choice
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanrray/21910046473/in/datetaken/
>
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Edwin W]

Pudge you are right about those Gamoh racks. That is why I took it off my Sam!
Maybe I'll pop one of those cheap little Nashbar front racks on, it is what he 
has on his 24" bike now. 

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Bill Lindsay]

Those rinko headsets have a cartridge bearing that is sitting inside the 
cups, similar, but not identical to Shimano.  With Shimanos, the cartridge 
falls right out.  With 'normal' ball bearing headsets there's a ring with 
ball bearings that you slather with grease and install.  The headset on 
your Clem will have the cartridge bearings in there already.  That's why 
there seemed to be a missing step.  



On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 1:49:19 PM UTC-7, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> I noticed the same thing.  The bearing install was definitely skipped over.
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 4:19:09 PM UTC-4, BSWP wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm... watching the video, I wonder, how did the fork bearings get in 
>> there? They came already packed in grease, in the cups, in the frame?
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[BSWP]

Hmmm... watching the video, I wonder, how did the fork bearings get in 
there? They came already packed in grease, in the cups, in the frame?

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 3:06:19 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Just posted on the Blug:
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/
> "For anyone in the initial Clem preorder (framesets), we’re shipping them 
> out starting today. They look great. The earliest of adopters got an 
> unexpected treat of creamed fork crowns. They look real nice. Here’s a 
> phone video of how the rinko headset works. All you need is a big 
> adjustable wrench. "
> Supense is killing me...
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Wayne Naha]

I noticed the same thing.  The bearing install was definitely skipped over.

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 4:19:09 PM UTC-4, BSWP wrote:
>
> Hmmm... watching the video, I wonder, how did the fork bearings get in 
> there? They came already packed in grease, in the cups, in the frame?
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Tail wind, head wind

[Ryan Fleming]

Welcome to our world in windy Winnipeg...unfortunately our urban canopy is 
pretty bare and  stark right now...butI love fall; it's  my favourite 
riding season, especially when the leaves are turning.

I prefer a headwind going out and usually find wind picks up in the 
afternoon, then it's great to get a push home

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 1:21:01 PM UTC-5, JohnS wrote:
>
> Yesterday I got out for a really nice ride of about 38 miles. The day 
> had an overcast sky with temps around 50, which made for a pleasant if not 
> cool ride. We're in the middle of fall here in eastern PA with all the 
> trees in various shades of oranges, reds, yellows and browns. My ride 
> started out very well. I felt great and was making it up hills in the 
> cruising gear on the Quickbeam. I thought that I must be getting in better 
> shape since some of the hills seamed easier than they had been earlier in 
> the season. That all changed when I got to the mid point of the ride and 
> turn east onto Lyon Valley road into a head wind. Ugh! No wonder why the 
> hills were easier, I had a tail wind the whole way up to that point and the 
> rest of the ride would more or less be into a head wind. I don't know which 
> is worse, to ride into a head with the hope that I'll have a tail wind for 
> the ride home or finding out that my sudden improvement in performance was 
> only due to a gentle push from behind by a tail wind. 
>  
> Hope you're enjoying the fall weather for riding as well,
> JohnS
>

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[RBW] BAGS FOR SALE

[Charlie]

#1 CARRADICE ~ 5 1/2" DIA  -  10 3/4" WIDE 
 ZIPPER + 2 SNAPS CLOSURE  -  $80 SHIPPED 

#2DULUTH PACK - GREEN BANANA BAG $80 SHIPPED

#3 BAGGINS BAG -TAN 
   RIVENDELL MADE BY DULUTH PACK $80 SHIPPED

#4 RIVENDELL BAG -TAN CANVAS - 2 SIDE POCKETS ~7" WIDE - 4" DEEP - 5" WIDE 
+ SIDE POCKETS
  $80 SHIPPED 

CASH OR USPS MONEYORDER  - I DO NOT HAVE THE PAYPAL THING.

Charlie Petry
Jennersville PA

CONTACT = charliepedal  (at ) verizon   ( dot ) net 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Ryan Fleming]

I bet  your oldest son won't let you take waay to long to build it upif 
he's anything like my kid was

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:42:45 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I am building mine as a first 26 inch size bike as my boys grow into that 
> size. The first one 9 years old) will get it as soon as I get it built up, 
> assuming he can fit!
> Cockpit: dirt drop stem and swept back bars so that he can reach. Cotton 
> grips. 
> Shifting: simple thumbie for a 1x8 with Altus derailer. 
> Crank: 165mm, 36t and a chainguard. 
> Cassette: shimano 11-30
> Wheels: basic wheels from Taylor wheels. Thank you strong dollar. Basic 
> shimano Dynamo hub up front. 
> Tires: Pasela 26x1.75 (the smallest I should go, said Riv, but I want to 
> keep this bike small). 
> Dynamo hub up front. 
> Brakes Avid v brakes. 
> Levers shimano mountain. 
> Fenders: p55 sks
> Lights: b and m lyt up front, topline plus on back
> Racks: working on that. I have a pletscher for the rear and a Gamoh porter 
> for the front, but might be too much. 
>
> Looking forward to getting this thing and taking wy too long to build 
> it up. 
>
> Edwin
>
>

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[RBW] Advice on internal gear hubs

[Patrick Moore]

Well, it looks as if the return by the shop of the 36-hole S3X hub I didn't
order (I ordered a 32) is a forlorn hope, as Vaughn just checked all the
suppliers and they have only 36s -- very odd for a hub of this sort, no?

If i don't have it built into a 28 hole rim, and return it, I may order a
more standard IG hub and I'd like y'all's advice on that.

1. Which internal gear hub, beside the S3X, has the lowest drag in
non-direct gears? I should think that a 3 speed would have less, all else
equal, than a 7 or 8?

2. Does said low drag hub come in 32 hole with aluminum shell?

3. Of the newer 8 speed hubs, which is best in terms of:
> Drag
> small gaps, expecially in the middle (I'd like to run gaps of no more
than 10 gear inches in the 60 to 80 inch range; 60-70-80 would be doable,
tho' my beau ideal is 60-65-70-75-80).

'Nother question: a SA kickback would be very nice, except that it is over-
instead of underdrive, so that with the 46 or 48 rings on my Rivendells,
I'd have to run a 22 t sprocket (the largest SA permits) which in turn
means that I'd need to splice in a section of chain to eke out the axle
movement in the dropouts.

So (this is the question): Is there any kickback hub that:
> is underdrive or that has less gear up than 137%;
> that takes 3/32, readily available sprockts?

I suppose I could just have a second chain, and swap that out when I swap
the rear wheel, but it would be nice to have a wheel that just slots in
without further effort required.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Daniel M]

Another multi-Rohloff owner chiming in here. First, regarding shifting effort, 
it definitely requires more effort than a derailer or a Shimano IGH, but the 
reason is that you are feeling the effort required to change the gears in the 
hub itself, as opposed to just advancing the indexing in the shifter. That is 
to say, if you disconnect the shift box from the hub, the shifter will simply 
freewheel back and forth through its range. If you feel a shift, you got a 
shift, unlike the Shimano IGHs, which have a nice snappy click that only means 
that the shift cable moved; sometimes you are left waiting for he shift to take 
place. If, however, the shifting effort is as you describe, something is wrong 
with the cable or the shifter. I recently replaced my cable and housing for the 
first time after four years of touring and daily commuting, in addition to 
replacing my original twist shifter with the 2nd generation shifter (I kept the 
original as a backup), and the shift effort is reduced dramatically. It was 
perfectly fine before, even though the cable was starting to fray - now it's 
easier and has less free play. 

As for momentary freewheeling, this should never happen and the hub is covered 
by a lifetime warranty regardless of whether or not you are the original buyer. 
Contact Cycle Monkey; they will either fix it or swap in a new (maybe 
refurbished) gear mechanism into your existing hub/wheel. Of course, pausing 
while shifting cures most problems, but the hub is designed to never freewheel. 
And that's precicely why I'm so in love with my Rohloffs - the failure mode is 
still a workable condition that would allow me to finish any trip. Very low 
temperatures can cause the gear oil to gel which can result in freewheeling. In 
those conditions, you are advised to run a 50/50 mixture of the normal oil and 
the light cleaning oil. In extreme cold applications, you can run 100% cleaning 
oil, but if the bike is brought into room temperature, some of the thin oil can 
leak past the seals. 

My first Rohloff was a Craigslist find, new in box with all the documentation 
but between 5 and 10 years old. When I brought it to Cycle Monkey, they 
commented that my serial number was in the 10,000s, whereas production was past 
100,000 at that point. I originally had a wheel built and had the system 
retrofitted on to my old Gary Fisher Hoo Koo e Koo for touring with a Bob 
trailer. This required both the long torque arm and the chain tensioner. Both 
are so extremely well thought-out and executed that they never caused any 
hassle whatsoever. I did have a bit of freewheeling and Cycle Monkey made a 
small adjustment which fixed the problem.

Eventually, I realized that I wanted a fully rigid touring bike so I could run 
front panniers, so I went with a Thorn Raven Tour. Without any insult intended 
to Riv, it is a lot like a TIGed, Rohloff-specific Bombadil. It has a massive 
twin-plate fork crown, a big, simple, eccentric bottom bracket so no tensioner 
is needed, and an OEM 2 rear dropout which makes the torque arm unnecessary. I 
have done everything on this bike. Thousands of miles of fully loaded and 
self-supported tours including many miles of rough dirt roads and trails, plus 
everyday commuting and grocery getting, and the occasional cargo extravagance, 
like strapping a gas grill to the rear rack and riding it to a park for a 
picnic, or a case of beer in bottles on the rear and a full load of groceries 
in the panniers. In all that time, zero dropped chains, ever. Zero missed 
shifts, ever. Total maintenance in four years is two oil changes and one 
replacement of cables and housing. 

The bike is a tank, however; around 39lbs without anything on the racks. So I 
became obsessed with Surly's Troll, found a frame on Craigslist, and then found 
the ultimate Craigslist miracle: a Rohloff-equipped mountain bike for $1100. I 
bought it, removed the wheelset and drivetrain, converted it to single-speed, 
and sold it for about $600. My Troll is now up and running with Rohloff 
wheelset, 26"x60mm Schwalbe Big Apples, and Salsa Woodchipper bars. It's my 
first self-built, self spec'd bike, and it is so fantastically versatile it 
blows my mind. Slick tires and drop bars means long days on pavement are no 
problem. The huge air volume means fire roads and singletrack are completely in 
the realm of possibility with a little drop in air pressure. And the 
reliability of the Rohloff means I just jump on and ride with no thought to 
shifting, ever.

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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Re: [RBW] Tail wind, head wind

[Patrick Moore]

This is generally the way riding is in NM -- wide open spaces that the wind
just sweeps through. It used to bug me especially when I was getting used
to fixed gear riding, but I've long since adapted. However, as I get older
and warmups become more important, I've been using the flip side smaller
gears a bit more than I did as a buff 50 something when the rides starts
out with a headwind.

Actually, it gets worse out here, since the winds often shift from east to
south to west in the early afternoon; so that, if you time your ride just
right, you can have a headwind both ways. Back when I commuted to work, I'd
often have a light wind off the mountains in the morning to complement the
6-7 miles of climbing (gradual), and then have a strong westerly in the
evening to cancel the benefit of the down hill run.

My funniest headwind experience, in retrospect, was the April 25 mile or so
lunchtime ride I took on east 66 out of Gallup, with a howling westerly --
ran out of gears in the big ring, maintaining 28+ mph.

Turned around, ran out of gears the other way (road triple with a 26" or so
low), ran out of water, and when I got back to the office, cramped in my
hamstrings when I stood upright and cramped in my abs when I bent over.

It was this sort of wind that let me climb Tramway in a 75" fixed gear
without undue effort, and kept me pedaling to maintain speed on the return.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 12:21 PM, JohnS  wrote:

> Yesterday I got out for a really nice ride of about 38 miles. The day
> had an overcast sky with temps around 50, which made for a pleasant if not
> cool ride. We're in the middle of fall here in eastern PA with all the
> trees in various shades of oranges, reds, yellows and browns. My ride
> started out very well. I felt great and was making it up hills in the
> cruising gear on the Quickbeam. I thought that I must be getting in better
> shape since some of the hills seamed easier than they had been earlier in
> the season. That all changed when I got to the mid point of the ride and
> turn east onto Lyon Valley road into a head wind. Ugh! No wonder why the
> hills were easier, I had a tail wind the whole way up to that point and the
> rest of the ride would more or less be into a head wind. I don't know which
> is worse, to ride into a head with the hope that I'll have a tail wind for
> the ride home or finding out that my sudden improvement in performance was
> only due to a gentle push from behind by a tail wind.
>
> Hope you're enjoying the fall weather for riding as well,
> JohnS
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tail wind, head wind

[Patrick Moore]

That used to be one of Bicycling Mag's "10 ways to make your ride
faster/better/funner/lighter/cooler/stiffer/more compliant" regulars,
trotted out at least once every 24 months. Personally, at least with a
fixed gear or ss, I prefer warming up with a tailwind and, when I am
feeling nice and limber and strong, pushing back hard against the wind in
the hooks (to the admiration of all beholders).

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> Welcome to our world in windy Winnipeg...unfortunately our urban canopy is
> pretty bare and  stark right now...butI love fall; it's  my favourite
> riding season, especially when the leaves are turning.
>
> I prefer a headwind going out and usually find wind picks up in the
> afternoon, then it's great to get a push home
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 1:21:01 PM UTC-5, JohnS wrote:
>>
>> Yesterday I got out for a really nice ride of about 38 miles. The day
>> had an overcast sky with temps around 50, which made for a pleasant if not
>> cool ride. We're in the middle of fall here in eastern PA with all the
>> trees in various shades of oranges, reds, yellows and browns. My ride
>> started out very well. I felt great and was making it up hills in the
>> cruising gear on the Quickbeam. I thought that I must be getting in better
>> shape since some of the hills seamed easier than they had been earlier in
>> the season. That all changed when I got to the mid point of the ride and
>> turn east onto Lyon Valley road into a head wind. Ugh! No wonder why the
>> hills were easier, I had a tail wind the whole way up to that point and the
>> rest of the ride would more or less be into a head wind. I don't know which
>> is worse, to ride into a head with the hope that I'll have a tail wind for
>> the ride home or finding out that my sudden improvement in performance was
>> only due to a gentle push from behind by a tail wind.
>>
>> Hope you're enjoying the fall weather for riding as well,
>> JohnS
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[drew]

cool.  looks like a fun bike, and a good deal.  not sure how i feel about 
the new bars yet.  if i didnt have a sam and a bunch of parts lying around, 
i'd be all over this. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tail wind, head wind

[Ron Mc]

certainly in the summer heat and humidity here, a headwind is in many ways 
preferable to a tailwind - at least I never complain with one.  

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 5:21:29 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That used to be one of Bicycling Mag's "10 ways to make your ride 
> faster/better/funner/lighter/cooler/stiffer/more compliant" regulars, 
> trotted out at least once every 24 months. Personally, at least with a 
> fixed gear or ss, I prefer warming up with a tailwind and, when I am 
> feeling nice and limber and strong, pushing back hard against the wind in 
> the hooks (to the admiration of all beholders).
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Philip Kim]

Looks like Geo was released on the riv tumblr

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rohloff IGH Questions

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

I'm enjoying this conversation. Very informative and interesting.
I'd love to use one on a future build.
Doesn't Peter White sell Rohloff hubs?
Jon


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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn Boxy Rando, large V-bag Rack bag, XS Saddlesack

[Julian]

Dropped prices and measurement of V-bag at the suggestion of a list member: 

V-bag is 10” wide, 7” deep, and 5” tall.   Now $65 shipped w/in CONUS 

XS Saddleback in grid grey now $50 shipped in CONUS. 

Reply off list. 

Thanks. 

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 8:46:34 AM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> FS: Acorn Boxy Rando, large V-bag Rack bag, XS Saddlesack
>
>
> Acorn Boxy Rando Bag in Ranger Tan. Used,but in good condition. Small hole 
> in clear map case, patched (see photos). $130 shipped to CONUS. 
>
>
> Rivendell V-Bag large rack bag in tan. Very little use, nearly new. $75 
> shipped to CONUS
>
>
> Rivendell XS Saddleback in grid grey. Brand new, never used. $60 shipped 
> to CONUS 
>
>
> Photos of all bags can be seen here:http://tinyurl.com/oz29lwv
>
>
> Paypal friends payment.
>
>
> Please reply off list. 
>
>
> Thanks, 
>
>
> Julian Westerhout
>
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Re: [RBW] Advice on internal gear hubs

[Eric Norris]

Patrick:

I’m not sure if you can buy them separately, but Brompton designed and S-A 
builds a 3-speed hub to go with their folding bikes. It’s called the BWR 
(Brompton Wide Range) and offers a combination of pretty broad range of gears 
and a simpler, more robust set of internals that they also claim is more 
efficient. On the BWR, the middle gear is direct drive; low is underdrive and 
high is overdrive. 

Here’s a fairly technical and detailed discussion of the internals of the BWR:

https://chestercycling.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/inside-the-brompton-wide-range-bwr-hub/
 

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> On Oct 28, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> Well, it looks as if the return by the shop of the 36-hole S3X hub I didn't 
> order (I ordered a 32) is a forlorn hope, as Vaughn just checked all the 
> suppliers and they have only 36s -- very odd for a hub of this sort, no?
> 
> If i don't have it built into a 28 hole rim, and return it, I may order a 
> more standard IG hub and I'd like y'all's advice on that.
> 
> 1. Which internal gear hub, beside the S3X, has the lowest drag in non-direct 
> gears? I should think that a 3 speed would have less, all else equal, than a 
> 7 or 8?
> 
> 2. Does said low drag hub come in 32 hole with aluminum shell?
> 
> 3. Of the newer 8 speed hubs, which is best in terms of:
> > Drag
> > small gaps, expecially in the middle (I'd like to run gaps of no more than 
> > 10 gear inches in the 60 to 80 inch range; 60-70-80 would be doable, tho' 
> > my beau ideal is 60-65-70-75-80).
> 
> 'Nother question: a SA kickback would be very nice, except that it is over- 
> instead of underdrive, so that with the 46 or 48 rings on my Rivendells, I'd 
> have to run a 22 t sprocket (the largest SA permits) which in turn means that 
> I'd need to splice in a section of chain to eke out the axle movement in the 
> dropouts.
> 
> So (this is the question): Is there any kickback hub that:
> > is underdrive or that has less gear up than 137%;
> > that takes 3/32, readily available sprockts?
> 
> I suppose I could just have a second chain, and swap that out when I swap the 
> rear wheel, but it would be nice to have a wheel that just slots in without 
> further effort required.
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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[BSWP]

The new J-A looks great, so many nice details all worked out. I had been 
leaning to a custom, for touring, but finances have been tight, and so that 
project is delayed. Does anyone know if the Joe will be offered eventually 
as just frame & fork?

- Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Riv Allrounder at Zion

[Addison Wilhite]

One of the few places a pumpkin colored Riv "blends" into the scenery


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On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Stunning!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 10:02:38 AM UTC-6, Addison wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>> My wife's family has owned land adjacent to Zion for decades and we made
>> a quick trip down there.
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[RBW] Re: Tail wind, head wind

[Daniel D.]

I'd rather have a tailwind on the way out.  I more often than not find the 
headwind I fought on the way out didn't turn into a tailwind for the return.

>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Bill Lindsay]

That bike is SICK!

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:59:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Looks like Geo was released on the riv tumblr

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[James Warren]

GREAT gearing-Original Message-
From: Bill Lindsay 
Sent: Oct 28, 2015 4:51 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

That bike is SICK!On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:59:31 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:Looks like Geo was released on the riv tumblr



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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Joe Bernard]

I *love* the bars. Very cool looking, and in that "reach straight back at 
you" shape which seems to be the only one I can ride more than 5 miles. The 
fork crown is pretty sweet, too. I love the bike..we'll see about the 
color. I'm not a big fan of Sam Blue, but the Clem Blue is awesome. I'm in 
no position to fork over 2100 bucks right now, so I won't be one of the 
early-adopter trusting people; I look forward to seeing them next year.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 3:47:46 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:

> cool.  looks like a fun bike, and a good deal.  not sure how i feel about 
> the new bars yet.  if i didnt have a sam and a bunch of parts lying around, 
> i'd be all over this. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Jack B]

Wondering if the 62cm will be a single- or double-top-tube. 

Anyone know?

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[Wayne Naha]

I love this bike!  

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 7:56:40 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
 

>
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Re: [RBW] Rivet Saddles

[Steve Palincsar]

The Rivets to me feel very "rounded" on top across the back, much more 
so than SAAs.  Also, SAA to me feel rather "sharp" at the edges and the 
edges are horizontal, whereas the Rivets (and Brooks and Berthoud) have 
vertical edges.


On 10/27/2015 10:08 PM, Daniel Jackson wrote:

How are they different Steve?

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 10:04:27 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Rivets may look like Sella Anatomicas, but they don't feel like
them at all.

On 10/27/2015 07:13 PM, Bill Ruprecht wrote:
> Another saddle to consider that is very similar in appearance is
the Selle Anatomica X series. I switched to it from a brooks and
find it much more comfortable. Kind of like a Hammock for your butt.
>
> I've never riden on a Rivet, but the Selle Anatomica is worth
tryining and they have a 30 day comfort guarantee. Selleanatomica.com
>
> Bill



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[RBW] Re: FS/FT tires and thumbies

[lukeheller]

I could use the thumbies if no one has claimed them

Luke

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 1:31:04 PM UTC-4, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>
> Big Bens are SOLD
>
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 7:08:50 PM UTC-7, Nanga Parbat wrote:
>>
>> 2 x Schwalbe Big Ben 50 x 622 Race Guard LiteSkin w /3 presta tubes no 
>> patches  $65 shipped   
>>
>> used with plenty of tread miles left see photos
>>
>> 2 x Compass Stampede Pass EL 700 x 32 w 3 schwalbe tubes 2 tubes have one 
>> patch each $125 shipped used less than 150 miles
>>
>> 2 x Compass Babyshoe Pass  650 x 42  brand new never mounted $110 shipped
>>
>> 1 x Soma Express 26 x 1.75   new never mounted $40 shipped
>>
>> 1 pair Paul Thumbies Black used $35 shipped
>>
>>
>> looking to try Compass Switchback Hill non-EL or Thunder Burt 650 x 2.1 
>> 0r 2.25 snakebite and 
>> Compass Barlow Pass non-EL or Soma SHIKORO 700 x 42
>> please send private message and paypal only
>> https://nangaparbat.shutterfly.com/pictures/
>> Cheers,
>> Scott
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[David Banzer]

58cm & 62cm are double top-tube.
I'm glad I went with the Clem frameset - complete bikes just don't appeal 
to me as I usually have enough parts to build up a couple frames. If this 
were offered as a frameset only in the future, I'd definitely be interested.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 7:20:03 PM UTC-5, Jack B wrote:
>
> Wondering if the 62cm will be a single- or double-top-tube. 
>
> Anyone know?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa geometry

[James Warren]

If I were betting, I'd bet double. Tougher call is parallel versus diagonal. 
I'm gonna guess parallel double.

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> On Oct 28, 2015, at 5:20 PM, Jack B  wrote:
> 
> Wondering if the 62cm will be a single- or double-top-tube. 
> 
> Anyone know?
> 
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[RBW] Re: Rivet Saddles

[Bill M.]

I was an early adopter, having bought a brown Pearl Ti from Deb at their 
debut at NAHBS in Sacramento a few years ago.  It has been in continuous 
use since then and I like it a lot.  It fits me better than a Brooks (of 
which I own five of various models and vintages, none of them being used 
right now) due to being wide enough at the sit bones but narrow in the nose 
so I don't get thigh rub.  The Rivet leather is quite hard, mine has hardly 
stretched at all and seems like it will last a very long time.  The comfort 
is all from the shape, don't expect much cush.  

The SA is quite different.  You can't expect it to keep a flat shape like a 
Brooks or Rivet, it's meant to be a hammock and tensioning it flat will 
just stretch it to death as many have found.  My SA lives on a bike with a 
fairly upright position and it works well enough for me like that.  I can't 
really ride on the SA in any kind of tuck.  

Bill

On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 1:20:04 PM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Anybody have any experience with them? Thoughts? 
>
> Thanks,
> D.
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivet Saddles

[Daniel Jackson]

Width wise, does anyone know which Rivet has similar sit bone measurements 
to the SAs?

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 8:55:12 PM UTC-4, Bill M. wrote:
>
> I was an early adopter, having bought a brown Pearl Ti from Deb at their 
> debut at NAHBS in Sacramento a few years ago.  It has been in continuous 
> use since then and I like it a lot.  It fits me better than a Brooks (of 
> which I own five of various models and vintages, none of them being used 
> right now) due to being wide enough at the sit bones but narrow in the nose 
> so I don't get thigh rub.  The Rivet leather is quite hard, mine has hardly 
> stretched at all and seems like it will last a very long time.  The comfort 
> is all from the shape, don't expect much cush.  
>
> The SA is quite different.  You can't expect it to keep a flat shape like 
> a Brooks or Rivet, it's meant to be a hammock and tensioning it flat will 
> just stretch it to death as many have found.  My SA lives on a bike with a 
> fairly upright position and it works well enough for me like that.  I can't 
> really ride on the SA in any kind of tuck.  
>
> Bill
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2015 at 1:20:04 PM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> Anybody have any experience with them? Thoughts? 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> D.
>>
>

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