[RBW] Re: Teaser

[JohnS]

Very nice build. Reminds me of an early 80's Schwinn Le Tour mixte that I 
built a few years back for a neighbor, great riding bike, similar pseudo 
mixte tubing.
 
JohnS

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:00:56 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:

> While everybody (including me) is waiting for their Clem/Clementine or 
> pics of someone else's, I decided to build up an old school Riv mixte.  
> Attached is an in-progress pic of my Wilbury single speed build.  Albatross 
> cockpit, standard Riv build…   ;-)
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RE: [RBW] Re: Teaser

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Spirit willing, flesh weak

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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 10:02 AM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: Teaser

Tom,

You keep saying that you are trying to thin the herd, but then you keep posting 
these awesome build pics.  :)

Minh

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:00:56 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
While everybody (including me) is waiting for their Clem/Clementine or pics of 
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in-progress pic of my Wilbury single speed build.  Albatross cockpit, standard 
Riv build…   ;-)



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RE: [RBW] Re: Teaser

[LeahFoy]

I have such affection for Riv mixes. But then your glorious (haha) Wilbury got 
overshadowed when I saw your wall organization. Amazing!

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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Tony DeFilippo]

She didn't get a full test ride but did take it around the block a couple 
times, seems like a winner.  Nov in the mid-atlantic is a frustrating time 
to get a new bike w/ the short days and cooling weather  but I'm sure we'll 
get out and about at some point over the next week.

Mark thanks for the link, I hadn't read that article though the core 
recommendation is similar to one of the Park Manual methods.  After finding 
the first chain to short I chose to go conservative and iterate 1 to 2 
links at a time as I only had  single 'super link' and was using the chain 
tool to try and retain a pin for connecting extra links which I'm only 
so-so at.

There is no getting around the chainstay length, I'll have to do some 
side-by sides w/ the saluki and bombadil soon.  It's the biggest bike Erika 
has from a maneuvering around the garage perspective for sure!

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Matthew J]

> That would be my Goodrich with Rohloff # 5841. 

Thanks for the follow up Ken.  Das Knob always seemed to me a real good 
solution to the Rohloff control quandary.  Curt should consider marketing 
them.

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[RBW] Re: Teaser

[Minh]

Tom,

You keep saying that you are trying to thin the herd, but then you keep 
posting these awesome build pics.  :)  

Minh

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:00:56 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> While everybody (including me) is waiting for their Clem/Clementine or 
> pics of someone else's, I decided to build up an old school Riv mixte.  
> Attached is an in-progress pic of my Wilbury single speed build.  Albatross 
> cockpit, standard Riv build…   ;-)
>
>  
>
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[RBW] Re: Build help needed

[Ron Mc]

glad it worked.  I used a 121mm SKF with a 2.5mm spacer for a cyclotouriste 
triple (Boulder recommended 126mm).  I much prefer the narrower spindle, 
especially on the left side - otherwise, it looks like the left side crank 
is in the next county.  My chain line came out perfect.  I had one 
compromise, the TA bolt heads tapped the polymer bushing for my double 
kickstand.  I took a dremel tool and carved a shallow groove in the polymer 
to solve that.  

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 10:24:14 PM UTC-6, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Thanks for help and suggestions. I swapped out the 110 for a 122.5 and the 
> LBS didn't charge me much for it. Stem coming tomorrow, then on to levers, 
> shifter and cables. 
>
> Thanks for all of your help,
>
> Edwin
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sightings

[Will]

Don't think so. The mini-Abus is a serious deterrent. The U piece does not 
rotate like the other brands. One has to cut both sides of the U bar to 
free the bike. And the pits make removing wheels or adjusting the seat 
almost impossible. If you put a pit-stopper in the stem bolt, they can't 
remove/adjust the bars. Even if one defeats the Abus... re-sale incentive 
is quite poor: can't fix a flat, can't adjust the cockpit. There's no 
reason for a thief to want a bike they cannot sell. 

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 7:44:37 PM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> That sounds pretty good and what I'm willing to do/carry but I'd say 
> that's 65% security :p.  If a thief wants your bike they're getting your 
> bike.
> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 4:30:51 PM UTC-8, Will wrote:
>>
>> This is easy to fix. Get pitlocks for the wheels, a piitstopper for the 
>> bars and seat, a micro U-lock (Abus)  for the frame. Total cost, less than 
>> $200. Security = 100%. Nobody will get your bike.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 2:13:57 PM UTC-6, Daniel D. wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, I get the heebie jeebies locking up my $125 beater at BART, hey 
>>> it's a nice beater.
>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 11:10:56 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:

  pretty sure I saw a Hillborne locked up near Rockridge Bart of Friday.





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RE: [RBW] Teaser

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

"Fashionable" being Bubba's gentle way of saying "foppish."  Deservedly, to be 
sure.  Wait'll you see the bagmatching on this fop-cycle….

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
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Tom is a frequent wooden rim user in his highly fashionable builds.

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:32:10 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
Is that a wooden rim?
On 11/09/2015 09:00 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
While everybody (including me) is waiting for their Clem/Clementine or pics of 
someone else's, I decided to build up an old school Riv mixte.  Attached is an 
in-progress pic of my Wilbury single speed build.  Albatross cockpit, standard 
Riv build…   ;-)




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Re: [RBW] Teaser

[Bill Lindsay]

*FALSE*

"fashionable" is most certainly *NOT* Bubba-code for "foppish"

The Bubba-code phrase for "foppish" is "highly fashionable"

Get it right

 

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:48:53 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
> "Fashionable" being Bubba's gentle way of saying "foppish."  Deservedly, 
> to be sure.  Wait'll you see the bagmatching on this fop-cycle….
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
> *Sent:* Monday, November 09, 2015 3:50 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Teaser
>
>  
>
> Tom is a frequent wooden rim user in his highly fashionable builds.  
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:32:10 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Is that a wooden rim?
>
> On 11/09/2015 09:00 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
>
> While everybody (including me) is waiting for their Clem/Clementine or 
> pics of someone else's, I decided to build up an old school Riv mixte.  
> Attached is an in-progress pic of my Wilbury single speed build.  Albatross 
> cockpit, standard Riv build…   ;-)
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
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RE: [RBW] Teaser

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Ah!  So then "highly highly fashionable" = "highly foppish" = "precious"?  Now 
I understand.

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Teaser

FALSE

"fashionable" is most certainly NOT Bubba-code for "foppish"

The Bubba-code phrase for "foppish" is "highly fashionable"

Get it right



On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:48:53 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
"Fashionable" being Bubba's gentle way of saying "foppish."  Deservedly, to be 
sure.  Wait'll you see the bagmatching on this fop-cycle….

From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 3:50 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Teaser

Tom is a frequent wooden rim user in his highly fashionable builds.

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:32:10 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
Is that a wooden rim?
On 11/09/2015 09:00 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
While everybody (including me) is waiting for their Clem/Clementine or pics of 
someone else's, I decided to build up an old school Riv mixte.  Attached is an 
in-progress pic of my Wilbury single speed build.  Albatross cockpit, standard 
Riv build…   ;-)




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Re: [RBW] Teaser

[Steve Palincsar]

And what's wrong with wanting your front and rear bags to match?  As 
much money as bags cost these days, they damn well ought to match. Not 
so sure about wooden rims, though.   It's one thing to retune your 
guitar strings when the temperature & humidity change, but it would be 
quite another to be retruing your wheels.


On 11/09/2015 04:48 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:


"Fashionable" being Bubba's gentle way of saying "foppish."  
Deservedly, to be sure.  Wait'll you see the bagmatching on this 
fop-cycle….


*From:*rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay

*Sent:* Monday, November 09, 2015 3:50 PM
*To:* RBW Owners Bunch
*Subject:* Re: [RBW] Teaser

Tom is a frequent wooden rim user in his highly fashionable builds.

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:32:10 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Is that a wooden rim?

On 11/09/2015 09:00 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:

While everybody (including me) is waiting for their
Clem/Clementine or pics of someone else's, I decided to build up
an old school Riv mixte.  Attached is an in-progress pic of my
Wilbury single speed build. Albatross cockpit, standard Riv
build…   ;-)




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RE: [RBW] Teaser

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I have built six wheelsets using the Ghisallo wooden rims, and they've all 
stayed quite true.  (Well, the three I still have access to have, and I haven't 
gotten any complaints from the owners of the others.)  The rims are less 
pliable laterally than aluminum rims, so maybe that's the explanation.  Anyway, 
I haven't had any trouble.  But I don't think any of those wheelsets has more 
than a thousand miles on them.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 5:06 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Teaser

And what's wrong with wanting your front and rear bags to match?  As much money 
as bags cost these days, they damn well ought to match.  Not so sure about 
wooden rims, though.   It's one thing to retune your guitar strings when the 
temperature & humidity change, but it would be quite another to be retruing 
your wheels.
On 11/09/2015 04:48 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
"Fashionable" being Bubba's gentle way of saying "foppish."  Deservedly, to be 
sure.  Wait'll you see the bagmatching on this fop-cycle….

From: 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lindsay
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 3:50 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Teaser

Tom is a frequent wooden rim user in his highly fashionable builds.

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:32:10 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
Is that a wooden rim?
On 11/09/2015 09:00 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
While everybody (including me) is waiting for their Clem/Clementine or pics of 
someone else's, I decided to build up an old school Riv mixte.  Attached is an 
in-progress pic of my Wilbury single speed build.  Albatross cockpit, standard 
Riv build…   ;-)



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[RBW] Re: Neo Light

[Surlyprof]

That's very cool, Dave.  At least it's a lot cheaper than the Helix folder 
that I had my eye 
on: 
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/330901966/helixtm-the-worlds-best-folding-bike?ref=discovery
 
 Fortunately, I didn't mix my kickstarter with my tequila or I might have 
been awaiting a Canadian-made folding bike.  Yours is a cautionary tale for 
sure.

John

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:29:21 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> I got a little liquored up and backed a few too many kickstarter projects 
> the other night: 
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651132789/neo-worlds-most-powerful-friction-free-bikelight
>
> This looks cool but looks like it is just meant for city riding? Not a lot 
> of info on the site about brightnewss. Either way, I don't want to spend 
> the time and money on a dedicated dyno set so we'll see how this turns out. 
> Will write up on it when I have it
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring ride.

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Don,

You know I think so too. Clearly you have some fantastic terrain and I'm
sure coffee stops too.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh
On Nov 9, 2015 7:28 PM, "Don Compton"  wrote:

> Hugh,
> Looking at your blog, you guys have some great coffee rides.
> Don Compton
>
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:12:46 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Okay knocked off a couple more. Here's the scoop
>> 
>> .
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:13:31 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Hot off the presses.
>>>
>>> Here
>>> 
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring ride.

[hsmitham]

Strange Mike your comment never made it to my email?

I'm resisting the impulse :^)

Tail Winds,

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell sightings

[Surlyprof]

Friday, I was looking for parking near the Museum of Craft and Design in 
the Dogpatch neighborhood of San Francisco and this Quickbeam was nice 
enough to be holding a spot for me. 
 https://goo.gl/photos/58JugpTC24W3LJdm6  Very nice bike.

John



On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 11:10:56 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>
> I love living in the Bay Area and seeing so many Rivendells out there!
>
> Spotted this weekend:
> A Betty Foy outside the Ferry Building yesterday morning
> An Atlantis on BART getting on at downtown Oakland yesterday afternoon
> 3 Rivendell's this morning around 8:30-9AM descending Tunnel Rd as I was 
> just starting my climb up it (I think these were all Riv's, at least one 
> was and the other two were Riv'd out if nothing else)
> A Sam Hillborne at the Top of Tunnel Rd that I chatted with for a brief 
> second onto Skyline
>
> I also saw a pretty decked out Surly with racks descending Tunnel Rd near 
> the top as well and pretty sure I saw a Hillborne locked up near Rockridge 
> Bart of Friday.
>
> Hope to see some Clems out there soon!
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Updated Atlantis build, initial Compass tire review

[David Banzer]

I've mine on Dyads, no issues.
David
Chicago

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 5:51:45 PM UTC-6, John Phillips wrote:
>
> I have mine mounted on Velocity Atlas rims. No problems at all.
>
> John
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 3:44:16 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
>>
>> Could be wrong, but it looks like you're running Velocity rims on the 
>> Atlantis...Can you speak to the mounting of the tires on your rims? Easily 
>> mounted, or only with care and patience? I've been told mounting Compass 
>> tires can be a challenge on Velocity synergy rims (not sure about the other 
>> Velocity's, though).
>>
>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 7:34:32 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> With winter around the bend and 11 straight days of rain, I was getting 
>>> a bit down. But the weekend suddenly cleared off and temperatures soared, 
>>> 40 degrees C higher than it was two years ago! Better go ride. The ground 
>>> was still very wet so I decided to change up the Atlantis:
>>>
>>> - Put my Velo Orange 52mm fenders on and picked up some leather off-cuts 
>>> from a local shop, cut them into mud flaps to extend coverage.
>>> - Mounted some 38mm Compass extra light Barlow Pass tires
>>> - Tried mounting the Carradice Camper Longflap up front for a change, 
>>> just to keep all my load in the front
>>>
>>> I went on a 100km ride through some really gnarly terrain, including 
>>> crossing a handful of gravel pits, a beach, travelling along hydro lines, 
>>> crossing a farmer's field, riverbed trails, gravel roads, mud pits from new 
>>> construction developments in progress, and more. Even flew through two big 
>>> piles of glass that I didn't see at night. 
>>>
>>> I rode with four other guys - one on the regular weight Barlow Pass, a 
>>> guy with WTB nano's, another on some 26" tire, and a Jones 29+. Everyone 
>>> flatted on the ride except the two Barlow Pass riders and the Jones. Wow, I 
>>> was surprised!
>>>
>>> Even more surprising was how much they instantly transformed the feel of 
>>> the Atlantis. It feels MUCH quicker than any other tire I've ridden before. 
>>> I was able to stick with the group for the full 100km, which has typically 
>>> been a challenge for me while riding the Atlantis. They gripped nicely on 
>>> most surfaces. Only slick mud and wet leaves posed a problem, which would 
>>> be an issue for any slick tire. 
>>>
>>> Maybe I just got lucky, but I've gotta say I'm a huge fan of these 
>>> tires. And the mudflaps were great as well - everyone else looked like they 
>>> jumped in the river, and I ended the ride clean and dry. 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Ways to make your Rivendell cheap

[jeffrey kane]

Meh ...

On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 6:17:34 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Or seem cheap... 
> Compare it to the Merckx 70 
> 
> !
>
>
> It's all relative,
>
> Edwin
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[RBW] How to clean a Brooks saddle?

[Lungimsam]

Rode my Brooks, shower-capped, in the rain for many ours this weekend. 
Didn't get soaked, just a little sprinkled at quick stops when cap wasn't 
on earlier in the day, but spent most of the time under a shower cap. Took 
off shower cap for the car bike rack ride home.

Next day, I noticed some dirty patches on the leather. Not sure if it is 
mold or just dirt.

Stuck on good. Cannot rub off with a regular dry towel, and didn't want to 
wet the saddle.

Anyway, how to clean it off without wetting the saddle?
Any tricks?
Or just proofhide it and forget it?

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[RBW] Re: Ways to make your Rivendell cheap

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Interesting that the article mentioned that the builder for this project 
was Merckx's personal builder *starting from* 1980. Didn't Merckx retire 
from racing in 1980?


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> Or seem cheap... 
> Compare it to the Merckx 70 
> 
> !
>
>
> It's all relative,
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell sightings

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi Tom, that was probably me. I would love to ride anytime. I try to get
out everyday time permitting. Give me a call/text on my cellphone and lets
do it. My number is (310) 968-6910 and I live on the east side of Carmel
Creek Park.

Cheers, Bruce

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Tom Virgil  wrote:

> Hello Bruce and valued member of the Smitham family.
>
> I believe I see you from time to time on Carmel Valley Road between I5 and
> the coast.  I am usually returning from science park up in Torrey Pines (in
> a car) where I now work after something of a career change.  That's another
> topic.   I have seen your father once on Carmel Creek Road (hat under
> helmet is pretty unique, but wise if he is dealing with a dermatologist.  I
> understand that).   Out on the 56 bikeway I am riding a powder blue Sam
> with cream trim and magenta handlebar tape, or my merlot (thought you might
> like that) Boulder All Road.  Hugh has road tested the All Road  and seemed
> to come away with a good opinion.
>
> I recently returned to gmail and saw some old email about an ebike for
> Bruce Sr.   My sincere apology for not being responsive.  If you or your
> father would like to try one, let me know, I  have one.  It's not for sale,
> so no guile here, but there are ways of watching the sales at TREK and
> getting a substantial discount.  I use mine for riding to work and riding
> in street clothes without sweating out the bike garb.
>
> I am over in Santa Fe Summit, but way down on the last street before
> Gonzales Canyon.  Great access to the canyon but a lung buster to come up
> Sword and the rest of the world.  Come on down or i will come up and let's
> ride.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 11:25:14 AM UTC-8, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>>
>> That's really cool. I don't see many around here in San Diego. If I do
>> see a Riv occasionally but they kind of keep quiet and to themselves.
>> Primarily I see a lot of road/tri riders up and down the coast racing each
>> other, running stop signs and lights to keep their Strava times down. All
>> the stores on the coast cater to them. I also frequently see bike touring
>> folk heading south and ending their journeys so that's kind of neat. I chat
>> with them whenever I can.
>>
>> Bruce "who sometimes feels like the only Riv rider in San DIego" Smitham
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 11:10:56 AM UTC-8, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> I love living in the Bay Area and seeing so many Rivendells out there!
>>>
>>> Spotted this weekend:
>>> A Betty Foy outside the Ferry Building yesterday morning
>>> An Atlantis on BART getting on at downtown Oakland yesterday afternoon
>>> 3 Rivendell's this morning around 8:30-9AM descending Tunnel Rd as I was
>>> just starting my climb up it (I think these were all Riv's, at least one
>>> was and the other two were Riv'd out if nothing else)
>>> A Sam Hillborne at the Top of Tunnel Rd that I chatted with for a brief
>>> second onto Skyline
>>>
>>> I also saw a pretty decked out Surly with racks descending Tunnel Rd
>>> near the top as well and pretty sure I saw a Hillborne locked up near
>>> Rockridge Bart of Friday.
>>>
>>> Hope to see some Clems out there soon!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Updated Atlantis build, initial Compass tire review

[David Person]

I run the extra light version of the Barlow Pass on my Sam mounted on Grand 
Bois rims.  One puncture early on due to a glass shard and several due to goat 
heads.  Now running Mr. Tuffy's liners with no discernible impact on the ride 
quality.  Have survived half a dozen goat heads at one time in each tire.

David

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[RBW] Niles Canyon Ride

[Surlyprof]

A couple of weeks ago our lovely Niles Canyon that stretches between my 
quaint little neighborhood of Niles in Fremont, CA and Sunol, CA was 
closed.  The first day was for Caltrans maintenance but the second day was 
for a full day Roll and Stroll through the canyon.  There were roving bands 
of Charlie Chaplains since many a silent movie was shot in the canyon 
including Chaplain's "The Tramp" and Essenay's Bronco Billy westerns. 
 There were also people coming in from all over the bay area to enjoy a 
carless Niles Canyon.  Although Niles Canyon is a popular riding area, it 
can be a little tight in spots creating the occasional white-knuckle 
encounter with passing cars so a closed canyon was greeted with great 
enthusiasm.  A group of Bay Area Riv Riders were meeting in Pleasanton to 
start their ride to the canyon.  Since I lived in Niles, I rode up to 
Pleasanton to meet them.  After a slight delay at the Pleasanton BART, the 
group rolled down Foothill Road to the Pleasanton Ridge State Park where I 
was waiting to join them.  It was a gorgeous day for a ride in the canyon. 
 As we rode through the canyon to climb Palomares Road, the Niles Canyon 
Railway train passed overhead and we were greeted by the waving passengers. 
 Our Palomares climb was interrupted near the top when we decided to to try 
the group's first mid-ride wine stop at the Westover Winery in Palomares 
Canyon.  I didn't get any pictures in the winery since we were busy 
chatting and tasting but I did get a few pictures of the inventive ways 
Tony and Evan attached bottles to their bikes for the ride home.  We parted 
ways at the summit and each enjoyed our own wild descents down different 
sides of Palomares Road.  

Thanks to Tony, Evan, Roger, Daniel and Riv's own Joe Bundik for a nice 
afternoon ride.  Here are the 
photos: https://goo.gl/photos/Sioxwa699QVaKEgH7

John

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[RBW] Re: Show me your Garage/Workshop/Cave/Storage Spaces

[Surlyprof]

Drew,

I hope your newly acquired garage space is coming along nicely.  I would 
suggest looking at Pinterest for ideas using search terms such as "garage 
organization", "workshop organization", etc.  I've gotten a few good ideas 
for the shop there.  Been trying to get my converted garage now studio and 
shop fixed up since a ventilation problem created a mold issue in the 
ceiling.  There is still a lot of things to fix but now that the studio is 
re-insulated and the garage reorganized it is at least usable again.  I 
don't have any dedicated bike shop space since I do a lot of woodworking 
and Industrial Design modelmaking in there and design and professor work in 
the studio portion.  I did arrange the shop space so there is ample room to 
work on the bike.  Next challenge is to rebuild and re-insulate the shop 
ceiling.  Here are my photos:  https://goo.gl/photos/4zeTsVdQRYwdJZzr8 
 Needless to say... it will never see a car!

John

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>
>
> for the first time in my life, i am moving to a place with a garage. 
> 1.5ish car size, stand alone, all wood. i have been gifted the use of it by 
> my spouse, who just asks that we keep camping stuff and luggage up in the 
> rafters.  im very excited, but also in need of some ideas and inspiration 
> for how to make the space great. I figured that there must be some 
> crossover of people who appreciate rivendells and people who appreciate a 
> nicely designed and set up workshop. 
>
> it'll house 4-5 bikes and i want to set up part of the space for working 
> on them. but also have an area for sitting with music, maybe a mini fridge, 
> and a general making/tinkering area minus any large power tools. 
>
> i'd like to see pictures of your space first and foremost, but im also 
> interested in...
>
> -small space problem solving storage things
> -bike storage techniques and specific brand recommendations
> -general style points or clever add ons
> -workbenches
> -links to sites highlighting this sort of thing
> -other stuff im forgetting.
>
> in the past, all of the things that would fall into this category have 
> been housed in bedrooms, closets, porches and cardboard boxes, so im flying 
> blind.
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring ride.

[Don Compton]

Hugh,
In '84 I started riding to replace running. I was a college golfer and 
played after college in amateur tournaments. I had some serious back issues 
and decided to replace running with cycling after watching Grewal winning 
the Olympic road race in Costa Mesa. Golf became less fun and cycling 
became a passion. The rides that our group did always included a stop in 
the middle of the ride. To me it was the most important part of the ride ( 
conversation, camaraderie ). I was never a racer, but have ridden with a 
lot of folks that raced bikes. But, for me to think a ride is a good one, 
the stop in the middle of the ride has to be good. 
I always saw Century rides as 4 25mile rides with 3 special stops.
Sincerely, Don

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 8:55:30 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hi Don,
>
> You know I think so too. Clearly you have some fantastic terrain and I'm 
> sure coffee stops too.
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
> On Nov 9, 2015 7:28 PM, "Don Compton"  
> wrote:
>
>> Hugh, 
>> Looking at your blog, you guys have some great coffee rides.
>> Don Compton
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:12:46 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay knocked off a couple more. Here's the scoop 
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Tail Winds,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:13:31 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Hot off the presses.

 Here 
 

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring ride.

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Jon,

Sorry for the delay in replying.Been in the saddle a bit :)  So glad you
enjoyed the post.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado <
row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hugh,
> Thanks for sharing.
> Always fun meeting up with friends from the past to catch up on things.
> Sounds like all had a good time.
> I'm sure you told them about your S240s and Rivendell bikes.Time to set
> the hook!!
> Oh! I'll take those 88' temps please!
> Jon
>
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 2:13:31 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Hot off the presses.
>>
>> Here
>> 
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Teaser

[Wayne Naha]

Love that Wilbury!

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:00:56 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
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[RBW] Updated Atlantis build, initial Compass tire review

[Mark Reimer]

With winter around the bend and 11 straight days of rain, I was getting a 
bit down. But the weekend suddenly cleared off and temperatures soared, 40 
degrees C higher than it was two years ago! Better go ride. The ground was 
still very wet so I decided to change up the Atlantis:

- Put my Velo Orange 52mm fenders on and picked up some leather off-cuts 
from a local shop, cut them into mud flaps to extend coverage.
- Mounted some 38mm Compass extra light Barlow Pass tires
- Tried mounting the Carradice Camper Longflap up front for a change, just 
to keep all my load in the front

I went on a 100km ride through some really gnarly terrain, including 
crossing a handful of gravel pits, a beach, travelling along hydro lines, 
crossing a farmer's field, riverbed trails, gravel roads, mud pits from new 
construction developments in progress, and more. Even flew through two big 
piles of glass that I didn't see at night. 

I rode with four other guys - one on the regular weight Barlow Pass, a guy 
with WTB nano's, another on some 26" tire, and a Jones 29+. Everyone 
flatted on the ride except the two Barlow Pass riders and the Jones. Wow, I 
was surprised!

Even more surprising was how much they instantly transformed the feel of 
the Atlantis. It feels MUCH quicker than any other tire I've ridden before. 
I was able to stick with the group for the full 100km, which has typically 
been a challenge for me while riding the Atlantis. They gripped nicely on 
most surfaces. Only slick mud and wet leaves posed a problem, which would 
be an issue for any slick tire. 

Maybe I just got lucky, but I've gotta say I'm a huge fan of these tires. 
And the mudflaps were great as well - everyone else looked like they jumped 
in the river, and I ended the ride clean and dry. 










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[RBW] Kingsport library canti-Romulus sighting

[Leslie]

So, unlike the SF Bay area, there aren't as many Rivendells around here.   
Thanks to MSL in Bristol, there's several, tho'...  I usually see them on 
the Creeper, or at Steele Creek;   in Kingsport itself, other than my own, 
I've only seen one other Rivendell, was a Quickbeam out on our Greenbelt. 

Until, Thursday, long crazy day that's a whole other story, but I found 
myself in downtown Kingsport that afternoon, canvasing the area by bike for 
hours.   While riding around the downtown area, on my canti-Rom, what did I 
find parked outside of the library, but, another canti-Rom.   My older 
daughter just happened to meet me in the downtown area at the library when 
I was arriving, and although she's not a 'bike person', even she noticed, 
"wow, that bike is *exactly* like your bike, eerily so!".   Of course, 
being a canti-Rom, it was the same light blue, but this one had a Selle 
Anatomica whereas mine are all Brooks, my tires were a lot larger (I'm 
pushing it, running MSO's, whereas this one has sensible 32's on it)... It 
was undecaled, the Romulus downtube decal had been removed, but, if you 
knew what you were looking at, it was unmistakable that it was the same 
frame as mine.

I didn't think it good form to go into the library hollerin' out, who's on 
the Ram, and I still had a lot of ground to cover, couldn't just wait and 
see who came out.
 
Anywho, just wondering if there's someone else in Kingsport here on the 
list, that I'd not known about  just reaching out to say hello 
   


-L

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Re: [RBW] Neo Light

[Curtis McKenzie]

So true, not friction.

However, work must be done to induce a current.  What object is doing the
work?

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/farlaw.html

Curtis "where friction is is not work" McKenzie

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> This looks like it works on the same principle as the Magnic Lights, which
> I’ve been using for several years. Magnic just came out with Ver. 2 of
> their product, which added new circuitry for a steadier and brighter light.
>
> No friction!? Absolutely true. There is no contact between the Magnic
> light and the bike, other than the mount. The system generates energy from
> the motion of the (alloy or steel) rims passing by the light.
>
> I have one of the new headlights, but I haven’t had time to use it. The
> first gen lights aren’t nearly as bright as, say, an Edelux, but for me
> they’re certainly bright enough to ride with. They’re also always on,
> adding the benefit of daytime running lights.
>
> Despite the protests of skeptics, I would say that the lights have no
> effect on the bike’s speed. If there is, I can’t feel it. Yes, you don’t
> get something (light) for nothing, but the Magnic Lights come very, very
> close.
>
> P.S. The inventor of the Magnic Light is currently fighting several patent
> battles with other companies using the “eddy technology.” This might be one
> of them.
>
> P.P.S. Magnic Lights are available in the USA from Clever Cycles in
> Portland OR.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
>
> Neo Light
>
> No friction?  Interesting. Grin.
>
> Curtis "cannot get something for nothing" Mckenize
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, dstein  wrote:
>
>> I got a little liquored up and backed a few too many kickstarter projects
>> the other night:
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651132789/neo-worlds-most-powerful-friction-free-bikelight
>>
>> This looks cool but looks like it is just meant for city riding? Not a
>> lot of info on the site about brightnewss. Either way, I don't want to
>> spend the time and money on a dedicated dyno set so we'll see how this
>> turns out. Will write up on it when I have it
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Neo Light

[Curtis McKenzie]

"The drag must be measurable, but it’s not perceptible to me."

That is all that matters!

Enjoy!

Curtis

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> The lights have a rotating ring of small, very strong magnets in them,
> which think are somehow turning in response to the wheel going by them, but
> I’m not sure.
>
> As I said, in the real world, on real bikes, I can’t feel any kind of drag
> from these lights. My guess is that they’re much more efficient than a
> standard hub or bottle generator, which has much larger physical parts that
> are rotated by the motion of the bike and, in the case of a bottle
> generator, friction between the tire and the generator. The drag must be
> measurable, but it’s not perceptible to me.
>
> Hold up the front wheel on a Magnic-equipped light and spin it … it just
> spins, like the lights weren’t there. Even a very efficient hub generator,
> with the lights off, doesn’t spin as easily.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
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>
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
>
> So true, not friction.
>
> However, work must be done to induce a current.  What object is doing the
> work?
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/farlaw.html
>
> Curtis "where friction is is not work" McKenzie
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>
>> This looks like it works on the same principle as the Magnic Lights,
>> which I’ve been using for several years. Magnic just came out with Ver. 2
>> of their product, which added new circuitry for a steadier and brighter
>> light.
>>
>> No friction!? Absolutely true. There is no contact between the Magnic
>> light and the bike, other than the mount. The system generates energy from
>> the motion of the (alloy or steel) rims passing by the light.
>>
>> I have one of the new headlights, but I haven’t had time to use it. The
>> first gen lights aren’t nearly as bright as, say, an Edelux, but for me
>> they’re certainly bright enough to ride with. They’re also always on,
>> adding the benefit of daytime running lights.
>>
>> Despite the protests of skeptics, I would say that the lights have no
>> effect on the bike’s speed. If there is, I can’t feel it. Yes, you don’t
>> get something (light) for nothing, but the Magnic Lights come very, very
>> close.
>>
>> P.S. The inventor of the Magnic Light is currently fighting several
>> patent battles with other companies using the “eddy technology.” This might
>> be one of them.
>>
>> P.P.S. Magnic Lights are available in the USA from Clever Cycles in
>> Portland OR.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyonly...@me.com
>> www.campyonly.com
>> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
>>
>> Neo Light
>>
>> No friction?  Interesting. Grin.
>>
>> Curtis "cannot get something for nothing" Mckenize
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, dstein  wrote:
>>
>>> I got a little liquored up and backed a few too many kickstarter
>>> projects the other night:
>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651132789/neo-worlds-most-powerful-friction-free-bikelight
>>>
>>> This looks cool but looks like it is just meant for city riding? Not a
>>> lot of info on the site about brightnewss. Either way, I don't want to
>>> spend the time and money on a dedicated dyno set so we'll see how this
>>> turns out. Will write up on it when I have it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Neo Light

[Curtis McKenzie]

Neo Light

No friction?  Interesting. Grin.

Curtis "cannot get something for nothing" Mckenize

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, dstein  wrote:

> I got a little liquored up and backed a few too many kickstarter projects
> the other night:
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651132789/neo-worlds-most-powerful-friction-free-bikelight
>
> This looks cool but looks like it is just meant for city riding? Not a lot
> of info on the site about brightnewss. Either way, I don't want to spend
> the time and money on a dedicated dyno set so we'll see how this turns out.
> Will write up on it when I have it
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-speed Cassette with Sunrace Friction Shifters.

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, the Microshift rear road derailleur on the Fargo shifted more
precisely across my 9 sp cassette than the 7410 rd that replaced it after
the MS got caught in the spokes and busted, because the MS required more
lever throw. The (Silver) lever had to move some 110-115* to move the chain
from small to big, while with the 7410, the lever moves exactly 90* for the
same cage movement. Actually, I prefer the 7410 action, though, and with
the long Silver levers I can still hit shifts without grinding the chain.


On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> there's a parallel thread going on ibob.  I recommended Microshift index
> shifters, bar-end or thumbies.  Very happy with results on two bikes.
>
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:44:10 AM UTC-6, Joey Korkames wrote:
>>
>> I find it difficult to friction shift 8+ speed clusters with "set it and
>> forget it" precision.
>> Trimming a 10sp must require a tailor's touch!
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[RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring ride.

[hsmitham]

Okay knocked off a couple more. Here's the scoop 

.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:13:31 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
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> Hot off the presses.
>
> Here 
> 
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Neo Light

[Eric Norris]

This looks like it works on the same principle as the Magnic Lights, which I’ve 
been using for several years. Magnic just came out with Ver. 2 of their 
product, which added new circuitry for a steadier and brighter light.

No friction!? Absolutely true. There is no contact between the Magnic light and 
the bike, other than the mount. The system generates energy from the motion of 
the (alloy or steel) rims passing by the light.

I have one of the new headlights, but I haven’t had time to use it. The first 
gen lights aren’t nearly as bright as, say, an Edelux, but for me they’re 
certainly bright enough to ride with. They’re also always on, adding the 
benefit of daytime running lights.

Despite the protests of skeptics, I would say that the lights have no effect on 
the bike’s speed. If there is, I can’t feel it. Yes, you don’t get something 
(light) for nothing, but the Magnic Lights come very, very close.

P.S. The inventor of the Magnic Light is currently fighting several patent 
battles with other companies using the “eddy technology.” This might be one of 
them.

P.P.S. Magnic Lights are available in the USA from Clever Cycles in Portland OR.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
> 
> Neo Light
> 
> No friction?  Interesting. Grin.
> 
> Curtis "cannot get something for nothing" Mckenize
> 
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, dstein  > wrote:
> I got a little liquored up and backed a few too many kickstarter projects the 
> other night: 
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651132789/neo-worlds-most-powerful-friction-free-bikelight
>  
> 
> 
> This looks cool but looks like it is just meant for city riding? Not a lot of 
> info on the site about brightnewss. Either way, I don't want to spend the 
> time and money on a dedicated dyno set so we'll see how this turns out. Will 
> write up on it when I have it
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[RBW] FS: Nigel Smythe Lil' Loafer in Tweed

[Kieran J]

Hi All,

I have a Nigel Smythe Lil' Loafer/Small Trunksack for sale. 
Tweed w/ tan leather trim.
Comes with the matching green rain cover.

Near mint.
Pics here. 


$120 shipped.

Thanks,

Kieran
Toronto, Canada

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[RBW] Re: Teaser

[Pondero]

A chainring like that deserves a classy bicycle project.  Well done!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Neo Light

[dstein]

I got a little liquored up and backed a few too many kickstarter projects 
the other night: 
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651132789/neo-worlds-most-powerful-friction-free-bikelight

This looks cool but looks like it is just meant for city riding? Not a lot 
of info on the site about brightnewss. Either way, I don't want to spend 
the time and money on a dedicated dyno set so we'll see how this turns out. 
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[RBW] Re: 10-speed Cassette with Sunrace Friction Shifters.

[Wayne Naha]

+1 on this.  Friction shifting the 8 speed cassette on the Clem is loads 
trickier than the old 5 cog freewheel.  Obviously, it's a matter of 
practice and familiarity, but trying it with 10?  Nope!

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:44:10 AM UTC-5, Joey Korkames wrote:
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> I find it difficult to friction shift 8+ speed clusters with "set it and 
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> Trimming a 10sp must require a tailor's touch!
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Re: [RBW] Neo Light

[Eric Norris]

The lights have a rotating ring of small, very strong magnets in them, which 
think are somehow turning in response to the wheel going by them, but I’m not 
sure.

As I said, in the real world, on real bikes, I can’t feel any kind of drag from 
these lights. My guess is that they’re much more efficient than a standard hub 
or bottle generator, which has much larger physical parts that are rotated by 
the motion of the bike and, in the case of a bottle generator, friction between 
the tire and the generator. The drag must be measurable, but it’s not 
perceptible to me.

Hold up the front wheel on a Magnic-equipped light and spin it … it just spins, 
like the lights weren’t there. Even a very efficient hub generator, with the 
lights off, doesn’t spin as easily.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
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campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
> 
> So true, not friction.  
> 
> However, work must be done to induce a current.  What object is doing the 
> work?
> 
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/farlaw.html 
> 
> 
> Curtis "where friction is is not work" McKenzie
> 
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Eric Norris  > wrote:
> This looks like it works on the same principle as the Magnic Lights, which 
> I’ve been using for several years. Magnic just came out with Ver. 2 of their 
> product, which added new circuitry for a steadier and brighter light.
> 
> No friction!? Absolutely true. There is no contact between the Magnic light 
> and the bike, other than the mount. The system generates energy from the 
> motion of the (alloy or steel) rims passing by the light.
> 
> I have one of the new headlights, but I haven’t had time to use it. The first 
> gen lights aren’t nearly as bright as, say, an Edelux, but for me they’re 
> certainly bright enough to ride with. They’re also always on, adding the 
> benefit of daytime running lights.
> 
> Despite the protests of skeptics, I would say that the lights have no effect 
> on the bike’s speed. If there is, I can’t feel it. Yes, you don’t get 
> something (light) for nothing, but the Magnic Lights come very, very close.
> 
> P.S. The inventor of the Magnic Light is currently fighting several patent 
> battles with other companies using the “eddy technology.” This might be one 
> of them.
> 
> P.P.S. Magnic Lights are available in the USA from Clever Cycles in Portland 
> OR.
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com 
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Curtis McKenzie > > wrote:
>> 
>> Neo Light
>> 
>> No friction?  Interesting. Grin.
>> 
>> Curtis "cannot get something for nothing" Mckenize
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, dstein > > wrote:
>> I got a little liquored up and backed a few too many kickstarter projects 
>> the other night: 
>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651132789/neo-worlds-most-powerful-friction-free-bikelight
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> This looks cool but looks like it is just meant for city riding? Not a lot 
>> of info on the site about brightnewss. Either way, I don't want to spend the 
>> time and money on a dedicated dyno set so we'll see how this turns out. Will 
>> write up on it when I have it
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Teaser

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here's my Le Tour mixte, parked at the farmers market yesterday. I would 
not call it a pseudo mixte. As long as it has the extra seat stays, it 
would still qualify as "dual" in terms of tubing. There have been a number 
of threads in various bike forums regarding what constitutes a "proper" 
mixte. I would say there are single top tube and twin, or parallel top tube 
mixtes, but they all must have the dual seat stay configuration.  In any 
case, I like to think of the first translation, which is generally mixed, 
as in co-ed, or unisex.

I would classify the Betty/Yyves, Wilbury, Cheviot, as perfectly non-pseudo 
mixtes. The Clementine, of course, is definitively not a mixte.


On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:58:14 AM UTC-5, JohnS wrote:
>
> Very nice build. Reminds me of an early 80's Schwinn Le Tour mixte that I 
> built a few years back for a neighbor, great riding bike, similar pseudo 
> mixte tubing.
>  
> JohnS
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:00:56 AM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
>> While everybody (including me) is waiting for their Clem/Clementine or 
>> pics of someone else's, I decided to build up an old school Riv mixte.  
>> Attached is an in-progress pic of my Wilbury single speed build.  Albatross 
>> cockpit, standard Riv build…   ;-)
>>
>>  
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[RBW] Re: 10-speed Cassette with Sunrace Friction Shifters.

[Philip Kim]

I don't think it matters as most 9 speed and 10 spd have same cable pull 
(at least for shimano). I think 11 speed is another story.

I've been successful using 1x10 speed on ultegra barcons, and the dia compe 
ene bar end shifters. Just requires a bit more careful shifting, but i got 
used to it. Since I keep pedaling, I just loosely pedal until I feel the 
chain shift into place.

I've gone back to 9 speed mostly cheaper cassettes and chains, but still 
gives somewhat consistent intervals in teeth.

On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 3:08:24 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Last thing I'm trying to nail down is a cassette. Found exact gearing that 
> I want in a 10-speed cassette. Anyone successfully friction shifted 
> 10-speed cassette with the Sunrace thumb/barend shifters that Riv sells? 
> I might be complicating issues by using a 9-speed derailer, but that 
> really shouldn't matter in a friction shifting setup, right?
> David
> Chicago
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[RBW] Re: Updated Atlantis build, initial Compass tire review

[Minh]

Mark,

Could i see a pic of your DIY mud-flaps, i'm thinking of doing this on a 
new set of fenders as well

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> With winter around the bend and 11 straight days of rain, I was getting a 
> bit down. But the weekend suddenly cleared off and temperatures soared, 40 
> degrees C higher than it was two years ago! Better go ride. The ground was 
> still very wet so I decided to change up the Atlantis:
>
> - Put my Velo Orange 52mm fenders on and picked up some leather off-cuts 
> from a local shop, cut them into mud flaps to extend coverage.
> - Mounted some 38mm Compass extra light Barlow Pass tires
> - Tried mounting the Carradice Camper Longflap up front for a change, just 
> to keep all my load in the front
>
> I went on a 100km ride through some really gnarly terrain, including 
> crossing a handful of gravel pits, a beach, travelling along hydro lines, 
> crossing a farmer's field, riverbed trails, gravel roads, mud pits from new 
> construction developments in progress, and more. Even flew through two big 
> piles of glass that I didn't see at night. 
>
> I rode with four other guys - one on the regular weight Barlow Pass, a guy 
> with WTB nano's, another on some 26" tire, and a Jones 29+. Everyone 
> flatted on the ride except the two Barlow Pass riders and the Jones. Wow, I 
> was surprised!
>
> Even more surprising was how much they instantly transformed the feel of 
> the Atlantis. It feels MUCH quicker than any other tire I've ridden before. 
> I was able to stick with the group for the full 100km, which has typically 
> been a challenge for me while riding the Atlantis. They gripped nicely on 
> most surfaces. Only slick mud and wet leaves posed a problem, which would 
> be an issue for any slick tire. 
>
> Maybe I just got lucky, but I've gotta say I'm a huge fan of these tires. 
> And the mudflaps were great as well - everyone else looked like they jumped 
> in the river, and I ended the ride clean and dry. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Teaser

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

BTW, for 2 years Schwinn sold the Le Tour in a townie configuration, the Le 
Tour Tourist (I think it was '81 and '82) Great bikes. I had one for a bit, 
just changed the 27" steel wheels to alloy. Regretted selling, which is why 
I eventually tracked down a Le Tour frame and built it up in similar 
fashion. Here is my old Tourist, complete with Bluemel fenders:


>>>  
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Updated Atlantis build, initial Compass tire review

[dstein]

Nice build! I'm a huge fan of the babyshoe pass on my hunqapillar, 
fantastic tires.

What tires was the Jones 29+ running (more than anything curious if they 
were mtn bike tires or road tires).

Also, which handlebars are those and how do you like them?

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 8:20:41 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Absolutely.
>
> The leather is quite heavy, which is good and bad in some ways. Good in 
> that it's stiff and maintains it's position for optimal coverage. Bad 
> because it's too thick to mount on the inside of the fender, which would 
> look a bit nicer in my opinion. 
>
> Leather isn't really the best material for flaps though, it can't handle 
> long term water and grit. But this was cheap and easy, so I'm testing the 
> shape before making a new one in spring, probably out of some kind of 
> rubber or plastic. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:14:41 AM UTC-6, Minh wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Could i see a pic of your DIY mud-flaps, i'm thinking of doing this on a 
>> new set of fenders as well
>>
>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> With winter around the bend and 11 straight days of rain, I was getting 
>>> a bit down. But the weekend suddenly cleared off and temperatures soared, 
>>> 40 degrees C higher than it was two years ago! Better go ride. The ground 
>>> was still very wet so I decided to change up the Atlantis:
>>>
>>> - Put my Velo Orange 52mm fenders on and picked up some leather off-cuts 
>>> from a local shop, cut them into mud flaps to extend coverage.
>>> - Mounted some 38mm Compass extra light Barlow Pass tires
>>> - Tried mounting the Carradice Camper Longflap up front for a change, 
>>> just to keep all my load in the front
>>>
>>> I went on a 100km ride through some really gnarly terrain, including 
>>> crossing a handful of gravel pits, a beach, travelling along hydro lines, 
>>> crossing a farmer's field, riverbed trails, gravel roads, mud pits from new 
>>> construction developments in progress, and more. Even flew through two big 
>>> piles of glass that I didn't see at night. 
>>>
>>> I rode with four other guys - one on the regular weight Barlow Pass, a 
>>> guy with WTB nano's, another on some 26" tire, and a Jones 29+. Everyone 
>>> flatted on the ride except the two Barlow Pass riders and the Jones. Wow, I 
>>> was surprised!
>>>
>>> Even more surprising was how much they instantly transformed the feel of 
>>> the Atlantis. It feels MUCH quicker than any other tire I've ridden before. 
>>> I was able to stick with the group for the full 100km, which has typically 
>>> been a challenge for me while riding the Atlantis. They gripped nicely on 
>>> most surfaces. Only slick mud and wet leaves posed a problem, which would 
>>> be an issue for any slick tire. 
>>>
>>> Maybe I just got lucky, but I've gotta say I'm a huge fan of these 
>>> tires. And the mudflaps were great as well - everyone else looked like they 
>>> jumped in the river, and I ended the ride clean and dry. 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Updated Atlantis build, initial Compass tire review

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Good looking build, nicely appointed. I like that harlequin tape job, 
subtle and a surprise. I also dig that backdrop in the second photo.

Thanks for the Compass review. I have extra lights in 32mm and the Rat 
Trap. I have some miles on the 32s, but not much on the Rat Traps. Love 
them both, but still can't totally speak to the longevity of these tires. 
I'm getting a Clementine and I am seriously leaning toward saving the OEM 
Kendas for the apocalypse and investing in a pair of Switchbacks. It is 
mainly for daily commuting and also shopping and towing my son on his 
Burley, but why save the good china only for special occasions?

I've heard mostly positive things,which jives with my experience so far, 
but a few reviews question the durability of the Compass tires (including 
someone at Riv when I mentioned my plan). While I don't love flats, I 
think, barring goat head country, some of it comes down to riding style and 
experience, and staying out of the gutter. I'm willing to trade a slightly 
higher flat rate for awesome road feel, but I don't want to ride on 
hothouse flowers, either, so reviews like this, though very "unscientific", 
are encouraging.

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
>
> Maybe I just got lucky, but I've gotta say I'm a huge fan of these tires. 
> And the mudflaps were great as well - everyone else looked like they jumped 
> in the river, and I ended the ride clean and dry. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Local Rivendell Dealer suggestions for DELMARVA area?

[Philip Kim]

Just bought a Soma San Marcos and other stuff from Gravel & Grind. 

I mostly corresponded with James, who was super helpful (I kept changing my 
mind, and he was always patient and worked with me), always emailing me 
updates on my order, so there were no surprises when I went to pick up the 
bike. 

Awesome space, awesome shop. Laid back vibe and carries useful bike stuff. 
I picked up an extra wide 11-40t 9 speed cassette for my 1x9 setup.

Wish it was closer to my house, I would bike there and get coffee and hang 
out all the time.

Recommend anyone to check out the shop if they are in Frederick, MD area.

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[RBW] Re: 10-speed Cassette with Sunrace Friction Shifters.

[Joey Korkames]

I find it difficult to friction shift 8+ speed clusters with "set it and 
forget it" precision.
Trimming a 10sp must require a tailor's touch!

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[RBW] Re: Updated Atlantis build, initial Compass tire review

[Mark Reimer]

Absolutely.

The leather is quite heavy, which is good and bad in some ways. Good in 
that it's stiff and maintains it's position for optimal coverage. Bad 
because it's too thick to mount on the inside of the fender, which would 
look a bit nicer in my opinion. 

Leather isn't really the best material for flaps though, it can't handle 
long term water and grit. But this was cheap and easy, so I'm testing the 
shape before making a new one in spring, probably out of some kind of 
rubber or plastic. 




On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:14:41 AM UTC-6, Minh wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Could i see a pic of your DIY mud-flaps, i'm thinking of doing this on a 
> new set of fenders as well
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:34:32 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> With winter around the bend and 11 straight days of rain, I was getting a 
>> bit down. But the weekend suddenly cleared off and temperatures soared, 40 
>> degrees C higher than it was two years ago! Better go ride. The ground was 
>> still very wet so I decided to change up the Atlantis:
>>
>> - Put my Velo Orange 52mm fenders on and picked up some leather off-cuts 
>> from a local shop, cut them into mud flaps to extend coverage.
>> - Mounted some 38mm Compass extra light Barlow Pass tires
>> - Tried mounting the Carradice Camper Longflap up front for a change, 
>> just to keep all my load in the front
>>
>> I went on a 100km ride through some really gnarly terrain, including 
>> crossing a handful of gravel pits, a beach, travelling along hydro lines, 
>> crossing a farmer's field, riverbed trails, gravel roads, mud pits from new 
>> construction developments in progress, and more. Even flew through two big 
>> piles of glass that I didn't see at night. 
>>
>> I rode with four other guys - one on the regular weight Barlow Pass, a 
>> guy with WTB nano's, another on some 26" tire, and a Jones 29+. Everyone 
>> flatted on the ride except the two Barlow Pass riders and the Jones. Wow, I 
>> was surprised!
>>
>> Even more surprising was how much they instantly transformed the feel of 
>> the Atlantis. It feels MUCH quicker than any other tire I've ridden before. 
>> I was able to stick with the group for the full 100km, which has typically 
>> been a challenge for me while riding the Atlantis. They gripped nicely on 
>> most surfaces. Only slick mud and wet leaves posed a problem, which would 
>> be an issue for any slick tire. 
>>
>> Maybe I just got lucky, but I've gotta say I'm a huge fan of these tires. 
>> And the mudflaps were great as well - everyone else looked like they jumped 
>> in the river, and I ended the ride clean and dry. 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 10-speed Cassette with Sunrace Friction Shifters.

[Ron Mc]

there's a parallel thread going on ibob.  I recommended Microshift index 
shifters, bar-end or thumbies.  Very happy with results on two bikes.  

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 9:44:10 AM UTC-6, Joey Korkames wrote:
>
> I find it difficult to friction shift 8+ speed clusters with "set it and 
> forget it" precision.
> Trimming a 10sp must require a tailor's touch!
>

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RE: [RBW] Re: Teaser

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

That's a really lovely bike.

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Teaser

BTW, for 2 years Schwinn sold the Le Tour in a townie configuration, the Le 
Tour Tourist (I think it was '81 and '82) Great bikes. I had one for a bit, 
just changed the 27" steel wheels to alloy. Regretted selling, which is why I 
eventually tracked down a Le Tour frame and built it up in similar fashion. 
Here is my old Tourist, complete with Bluemel fenders:
[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lqmO9GZRy_o/VkDGEaAnWQI/Faw/tjAsnmZdS0Y/s320/bikes%2B002.jpg]


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Re: [RBW] Re: 10-speed Cassette with Sunrace Friction Shifters.

[Patrick Moore]

This is very odd to me because among the most precise and "intuitive"
shifting I ever experienced was the Retrofriction dt shifter-cum-Am
Classic-10-sp (11-23, 12-27) cassette system originally installed on my
2003 Curt. Note that these cassettes were fully stock.

The 9 s- Silver BES + home-brew cassettes that I've used on several bikes
also work fine; note here that these cassettes are hacked together from
miscellaneous cogs in a box with 9 sp spacers; the cogs may be 7, 8, 9, or
10 sp -- I don't know. They are also out of series, so that the ramps and
cutouts are all over the place. Sure, some jumps grind a wee bit, but the
needed technique quickly becomes second nature, so that it's easy to shift
all the cogs even on terrain that leaves little attention to shifting since
it demands it for steering.

The technique in question is what one might call "subtle overshifting" --
this was the technique du jour with the old pre-indexed,
pre-slant-parallelogram setups. You quickly learn to very slightly
overshift and very quickly re-adjust the lever to settle the chain on the
cogs. (With stock Hyperglide, on the other hand, you simply move the lever
and wait for the ramps to pick up the chain.)

I guess that the difference in opinion may be generational; I grew up
shifting the old stuff where this overshifting technique was natural.
Frankly, shifting 9 mismatched cogs with a 7410 (short throw, = less
precise) rd with a friction BES works better than shifting an old 14-28 5
speed with Retrofrictions and a non-slant-parallelogram rd of some sort:
this was the system I had on that erstwhile '58 Herse. The 9s shift better
than the 5 did!

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Wayne Naha  wrote:

> +1 on this.  Friction shifting the 8 speed cassette on the Clem is loads
> trickier than the old 5 cog freewheel.  Obviously, it's a matter of
> practice and familiarity, but trying it with 10?  Nope!
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:44:10 AM UTC-5, Joey Korkames wrote:
>>
>> I find it difficult to friction shift 8+ speed clusters with "set it and
>> forget it" precision.
>> Trimming a 10sp must require a tailor's touch!
>>
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[RBW] Re: In Palm Springs for the week. Good source of C/Rivish stuff around?

[drew]

i think the problem is that palm springs is mostly retirement/vacation 
homes, so either the good stuff doesnt come, or it gets liquidated upon 
arrival. undoubtedly, there is amazing stuff in a few garages, but the 
people are older and not craigslist savvy. also, most of the people you see 
out on bikes are also on meth.  that said, some of the best thrift store 
shopping in california is in palm springs... though i cant speak for bike 
stuff. i know a few people who stock their vintage stores with bi-monthly 
trips to palm springs. gypsyland in desert hot springs is super fun for 
records, furniture, clothes, oddities, and even the palm springs angel 
view's have consistently good finds.  


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[RBW] Re: In Palm Springs for the week. Good source of C/Rivish stuff around?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Ryan, or anyone else, we're having a dirt-heavy ride just on the other side 
of the San Jacinto pass this Saturday. Little under 40 miles, most all 
dirt. If you can make it, I can try to scare up a bike! I'll post a formal 
announcement of it in a sec...

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> I'm in Palm Springs and was wondering if there was a good source of C 
> stuff nearby. Craigslist is pretty light too. Is everything good here just 
> locked up in people's garages? I would assume there would be some good 
> stuff around due to the climate being easy on everything other leather and 
> rubber.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Teaser

[Daniel D.]

Agreed, my work area looks like a hurricane hit.
On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 7:10:44 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> I have such affection for Riv mixes. But then your glorious (haha) Wilbury 
> got overshadowed when I saw your wall organization. Amazing!

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Re: [RBW] Teaser

[Bill Lindsay]

Tom is a frequent wooden rim user in his highly fashionable builds.  

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:32:10 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Is that a wooden rim?
>
> On 11/09/2015 09:00 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
>
> While everybody (including me) is waiting for their Clem/Clementine or 
> pics of someone else's, I decided to build up an old school Riv mixte.  
> Attached is an in-progress pic of my Wilbury single speed build.  Albatross 
> cockpit, standard Riv build…   ;-)
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: In Palm Springs for the week. Good source of C/Rivish stuff around?

[Ryan Ray]

Thanks! We will check out gypsyland.

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-8, drew wrote:
>
> i think the problem is that palm springs is mostly retirement/vacation 
> homes, so either the good stuff doesnt come, or it gets liquidated upon 
> arrival. undoubtedly, there is amazing stuff in a few garages, but the 
> people are older and not craigslist savvy. also, most of the people you see 
> out on bikes are also on meth.  that said, some of the best thrift store 
> shopping in california is in palm springs... though i cant speak for bike 
> stuff. i know a few people who stock their vintage stores with bi-monthly 
> trips to palm springs. gypsyland in desert hot springs is super fun for 
> records, furniture, clothes, oddities, and even the palm springs angel 
> view's have consistently good finds.  
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Neo Light

[Philip Kim]

 Eric,

Thanks for shedding light via your personal experience.

How do the magnetic lights do in rain/mud. It seems like it has to be close 
to the rim in order to generate the magnetic force to turn the generator 
inside the light, but is there any safety risks to being so close to the 
rim?



On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:51:25 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> The lights have a rotating ring of small, very strong magnets in them, 
> which think are somehow turning in response to the wheel going by them, but 
> I’m not sure.
>
> As I said, in the real world, on real bikes, I can’t feel any kind of drag 
> from these lights. My guess is that they’re much more efficient than a 
> standard hub or bottle generator, which has much larger physical parts that 
> are rotated by the motion of the bike and, in the case of a bottle 
> generator, friction between the tire and the generator. The drag must be 
> measurable, but it’s not perceptible to me.
>
> Hold up the front wheel on a Magnic-equipped light and spin it … it just 
> spins, like the lights weren’t there. Even a very efficient hub generator, 
> with the lights off, doesn’t spin as easily.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Curtis McKenzie  > wrote:
>
> So true, not friction.  
>
> However, work must be done to induce a current.  What object is doing the 
> work?
>
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/farlaw.html
>
> Curtis "where friction is is not work" McKenzie
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Eric Norris  > wrote:
>
>> This looks like it works on the same principle as the Magnic Lights, 
>> which I’ve been using for several years. Magnic just came out with Ver. 2 
>> of their product, which added new circuitry for a steadier and brighter 
>> light.
>>
>> No friction!? Absolutely true. There is no contact between the Magnic 
>> light and the bike, other than the mount. The system generates energy from 
>> the motion of the (alloy or steel) rims passing by the light.
>>
>> I have one of the new headlights, but I haven’t had time to use it. The 
>> first gen lights aren’t nearly as bright as, say, an Edelux, but for me 
>> they’re certainly bright enough to ride with. They’re also always on, 
>> adding the benefit of daytime running lights.
>>
>> Despite the protests of skeptics, I would say that the lights have no 
>> effect on the bike’s speed. If there is, I can’t feel it. Yes, you don’t 
>> get something (light) for nothing, but the Magnic Lights come very, very 
>> close.
>>
>> P.S. The inventor of the Magnic Light is currently fighting several 
>> patent battles with other companies using the “eddy technology.” This might 
>> be one of them.
>>
>> P.P.S. Magnic Lights are available in the USA from Clever Cycles in 
>> Portland OR.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com 
>> www.campyonly.com
>> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Curtis McKenzie > > wrote:
>>
>> Neo Light
>>
>> No friction?  Interesting. Grin.
>>
>> Curtis "cannot get something for nothing" Mckenize
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, dstein  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I got a little liquored up and backed a few too many kickstarter 
>>> projects the other night: 
>>> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651132789/neo-worlds-most-powerful-friction-free-bikelight
>>>
>>> This looks cool but looks like it is just meant for city riding? Not a 
>>> lot of info on the site about brightnewss. Either way, I don't want to 
>>> spend the time and money on a dedicated dyno set so we'll see how this 
>>> turns out. Will write up on it when I have it
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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RE: [RBW] Re: Teaser

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Dan Reid, the guy who makes the chainrings, is a one man shop in Australia:  
http://bespokechainrings.com/

He's a delightful guy to deal with, and his stuff (I have a couple of his 
vintage design-based chainrings) is just beautiful.

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Teaser

A chainring like that deserves a classy bicycle project.  Well done!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas
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Re: [RBW] Neo Light

[Philip Kim]

pun was not intended...


On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:22:16 PM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>  Eric,
>
> Thanks for shedding light via your personal experience.
>
> How do the magnetic lights do in rain/mud. It seems like it has to be 
> close to the rim in order to generate the magnetic force to turn the 
> generator inside the light, but is there any safety risks to being so close 
> to the rim?
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 1:51:25 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> The lights have a rotating ring of small, very strong magnets in them, 
>> which think are somehow turning in response to the wheel going by them, but 
>> I’m not sure.
>>
>> As I said, in the real world, on real bikes, I can’t feel any kind of 
>> drag from these lights. My guess is that they’re much more efficient than a 
>> standard hub or bottle generator, which has much larger physical parts that 
>> are rotated by the motion of the bike and, in the case of a bottle 
>> generator, friction between the tire and the generator. The drag must be 
>> measurable, but it’s not perceptible to me.
>>
>> Hold up the front wheel on a Magnic-equipped light and spin it … it just 
>> spins, like the lights weren’t there. Even a very efficient hub generator, 
>> with the lights off, doesn’t spin as easily.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> www.campyonly.com
>> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
>>
>> So true, not friction.  
>>
>> However, work must be done to induce a current.  What object is doing the 
>> work?
>>
>> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/farlaw.html
>>
>> Curtis "where friction is is not work" McKenzie
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>>
>>> This looks like it works on the same principle as the Magnic Lights, 
>>> which I’ve been using for several years. Magnic just came out with Ver. 2 
>>> of their product, which added new circuitry for a steadier and brighter 
>>> light.
>>>
>>> No friction!? Absolutely true. There is no contact between the Magnic 
>>> light and the bike, other than the mount. The system generates energy from 
>>> the motion of the (alloy or steel) rims passing by the light.
>>>
>>> I have one of the new headlights, but I haven’t had time to use it. The 
>>> first gen lights aren’t nearly as bright as, say, an Edelux, but for me 
>>> they’re certainly bright enough to ride with. They’re also always on, 
>>> adding the benefit of daytime running lights.
>>>
>>> Despite the protests of skeptics, I would say that the lights have no 
>>> effect on the bike’s speed. If there is, I can’t feel it. Yes, you don’t 
>>> get something (light) for nothing, but the Magnic Lights come very, very 
>>> close.
>>>
>>> P.S. The inventor of the Magnic Light is currently fighting several 
>>> patent battles with other companies using the “eddy technology.” This might 
>>> be one of them.
>>>
>>> P.P.S. Magnic Lights are available in the USA from Clever Cycles in 
>>> Portland OR.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> www.campyonly.com
>>> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>>>
>>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Curtis McKenzie  wrote:
>>>
>>> Neo Light
>>>
>>> No friction?  Interesting. Grin.
>>>
>>> Curtis "cannot get something for nothing" Mckenize
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, dstein  wrote:
>>>
 I got a little liquored up and backed a few too many kickstarter 
 projects the other night: 
 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1651132789/neo-worlds-most-powerful-friction-free-bikelight

 This looks cool but looks like it is just meant for city riding? Not a 
 lot of info on the site about brightnewss. Either way, I don't want to 
 spend the time and money on a dedicated dyno set so we'll see how this 
 turns out. Will write up on it when I have it








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Re: [RBW] Teaser

[Steve Palincsar]

Is that a wooden rim?

On 11/09/2015 09:00 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:


While everybody (including me) is waiting for their Clem/Clementine or 
pics of someone else's, I decided to build up an old school Riv 
mixte.  Attached is an in-progress pic of my Wilbury single speed 
build.  Albatross cockpit, standard Riv build…   ;-)





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[RBW] In Palm Springs for the week. Good source of C/Rivish stuff around?

[Ryan Ray]

I'm in Palm Springs and was wondering if there was a good source of C 
stuff nearby. Craigslist is pretty light too. Is everything good here just 
locked up in people's garages? I would assume there would be some good 
stuff around due to the climate being easy on everything other leather and 
rubber.

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[RBW] Re: In Palm Springs for the week. Good source of C/Rivish stuff around?

[Ryan Ray]

Leaving Friday otherwise I'd try and make it for sure.

- Ryan




On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:09:59 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Ryan, or anyone else, we're having a dirt-heavy ride just on the other 
> side of the San Jacinto pass this Saturday. Little under 40 miles, most all 
> dirt. If you can make it, I can try to scare up a bike! I'll post a formal 
> announcement of it in a sec...
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> I'm in Palm Springs and was wondering if there was a good source of C 
>> stuff nearby. Craigslist is pretty light too. Is everything good here just 
>> locked up in people's garages? I would assume there would be some good 
>> stuff around due to the climate being easy on everything other leather and 
>> rubber.
>>
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[RBW] Re: In Palm Springs for the week. Good source of C/Rivish stuff around?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

It was a good try!!!


On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:24:53 PM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> Leaving Friday otherwise I'd try and make it for sure.
>
> - Ryan
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:09:59 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Ryan, or anyone else, we're having a dirt-heavy ride just on the other 
>> side of the San Jacinto pass this Saturday. Little under 40 miles, most all 
>> dirt. If you can make it, I can try to scare up a bike! I'll post a formal 
>> announcement of it in a sec...
>>
>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 11:33:22 AM UTC-8, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm in Palm Springs and was wondering if there was a good source of C 
>>> stuff nearby. Craigslist is pretty light too. Is everything good here just 
>>> locked up in people's garages? I would assume there would be some good 
>>> stuff around due to the climate being easy on everything other leather and 
>>> rubber.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Teaser

[Bill Lindsay]

Tom has been warned:  If my wife and kids ever kick me out of the house, 
I'm roadtripping to Delaware and taking residence in Tom's workspace.  I'll 
be his "bike gimp".  

Tom yells into workspace:  "Lace me up some wooden wheels, GIMP!"
Bill:  "Yes, master"

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 12:17:44 PM UTC-8, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Agreed, my work area looks like a hurricane hit.
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 7:10:44 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:
>>
>> I have such affection for Riv mixes. But then your glorious (haha) 
>> Wilbury got overshadowed when I saw your wall organization. Amazing!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring ride.

[Mike Schiller]

looks like you'r going to have to pull out those bibs out of the closet... 
  hehe!  

~mike
Carlsbad ca


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[RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring ride.

[Don Compton]

Hugh, 
Looking at your blog, you guys have some great coffee rides.
Don Compton


On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:12:46 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Okay knocked off a couple more. Here's the scoop 
> 
> .
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:13:31 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hot off the presses.
>>
>> Here 
>> 
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Updated Atlantis build, initial Compass tire review

[René Sterental]

I love the Barlow Pass super light on my Atlantis. Definitely!

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 5:55 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> I've mine on Dyads, no issues.
> David
> Chicago
>
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 5:51:45 PM UTC-6, John Phillips wrote:
>>
>> I have mine mounted on Velocity Atlas rims. No problems at all.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 3:44:16 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
>>>
>>> Could be wrong, but it looks like you're running Velocity rims on the
>>> Atlantis...Can you speak to the mounting of the tires on your rims? Easily
>>> mounted, or only with care and patience? I've been told mounting Compass
>>> tires can be a challenge on Velocity synergy rims (not sure about the other
>>> Velocity's, though).
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 7:34:32 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:

 With winter around the bend and 11 straight days of rain, I was getting
 a bit down. But the weekend suddenly cleared off and temperatures soared,
 40 degrees C higher than it was two years ago! Better go ride. The ground
 was still very wet so I decided to change up the Atlantis:

 - Put my Velo Orange 52mm fenders on and picked up some leather
 off-cuts from a local shop, cut them into mud flaps to extend coverage.
 - Mounted some 38mm Compass extra light Barlow Pass tires
 - Tried mounting the Carradice Camper Longflap up front for a change,
 just to keep all my load in the front

 I went on a 100km ride through some really gnarly terrain, including
 crossing a handful of gravel pits, a beach, travelling along hydro lines,
 crossing a farmer's field, riverbed trails, gravel roads, mud pits from new
 construction developments in progress, and more. Even flew through two big
 piles of glass that I didn't see at night.

 I rode with four other guys - one on the regular weight Barlow Pass, a
 guy with WTB nano's, another on some 26" tire, and a Jones 29+. Everyone
 flatted on the ride except the two Barlow Pass riders and the Jones. Wow, I
 was surprised!

 Even more surprising was how much they instantly transformed the feel
 of the Atlantis. It feels MUCH quicker than any other tire I've ridden
 before. I was able to stick with the group for the full 100km, which has
 typically been a challenge for me while riding the Atlantis. They gripped
 nicely on most surfaces. Only slick mud and wet leaves posed a problem,
 which would be an issue for any slick tire.

 Maybe I just got lucky, but I've gotta say I'm a huge fan of these
 tires. And the mudflaps were great as well - everyone else looked like they
 jumped in the river, and I ended the ride clean and dry.


 


 


 




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Re: [RBW] Re: Coffeeneuring ride.

[Hugh Smitham]

Spot on Don.
On Nov 9, 2015 9:07 PM, "Don Compton"  wrote:

> Hugh,
> In '84 I started riding to replace running. I was a college golfer and
> played after college in amateur tournaments. I had some serious back issues
> and decided to replace running with cycling after watching Grewal winning
> the Olympic road race in Costa Mesa. Golf became less fun and cycling
> became a passion. The rides that our group did always included a stop in
> the middle of the ride. To me it was the most important part of the ride (
> conversation, camaraderie ). I was never a racer, but have ridden with a
> lot of folks that raced bikes. But, for me to think a ride is a good one,
> the stop in the middle of the ride has to be good.
> I always saw Century rides as 4 25mile rides with 3 special stops.
> Sincerely, Don
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 8:55:30 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> You know I think so too. Clearly you have some fantastic terrain and I'm
>> sure coffee stops too.
>>
>> Tail Winds,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>> On Nov 9, 2015 7:28 PM, "Don Compton"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hugh,
>>> Looking at your blog, you guys have some great coffee rides.
>>> Don Compton
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 10:12:46 AM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:

 Okay knocked off a couple more. Here's the scoop
 
 .

 Tail Winds,

 ~Hugh

 On Saturday, October 31, 2015 at 1:13:31 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hot off the presses.
>
> Here
> 
>
> Tail Winds,
>
> ~Hugh
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[RBW] Re: Let's See Some Clem/Clementine Pics

[Jonathan in Ri]

Thanks for posting pics of the grey. I ordered a complete Clem Smith in the 
same color. Trying not to get too anxious.

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[RBW] Re: Updated Atlantis build, initial Compass tire review

[John Phillips]

I have mine mounted on Velocity Atlas rims. No problems at all.

John

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 3:44:16 PM UTC-8, john wrote:
>
> Could be wrong, but it looks like you're running Velocity rims on the 
> Atlantis...Can you speak to the mounting of the tires on your rims? Easily 
> mounted, or only with care and patience? I've been told mounting Compass 
> tires can be a challenge on Velocity synergy rims (not sure about the other 
> Velocity's, though).
>
> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 7:34:32 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> With winter around the bend and 11 straight days of rain, I was getting a 
>> bit down. But the weekend suddenly cleared off and temperatures soared, 40 
>> degrees C higher than it was two years ago! Better go ride. The ground was 
>> still very wet so I decided to change up the Atlantis:
>>
>> - Put my Velo Orange 52mm fenders on and picked up some leather off-cuts 
>> from a local shop, cut them into mud flaps to extend coverage.
>> - Mounted some 38mm Compass extra light Barlow Pass tires
>> - Tried mounting the Carradice Camper Longflap up front for a change, 
>> just to keep all my load in the front
>>
>> I went on a 100km ride through some really gnarly terrain, including 
>> crossing a handful of gravel pits, a beach, travelling along hydro lines, 
>> crossing a farmer's field, riverbed trails, gravel roads, mud pits from new 
>> construction developments in progress, and more. Even flew through two big 
>> piles of glass that I didn't see at night. 
>>
>> I rode with four other guys - one on the regular weight Barlow Pass, a 
>> guy with WTB nano's, another on some 26" tire, and a Jones 29+. Everyone 
>> flatted on the ride except the two Barlow Pass riders and the Jones. Wow, I 
>> was surprised!
>>
>> Even more surprising was how much they instantly transformed the feel of 
>> the Atlantis. It feels MUCH quicker than any other tire I've ridden before. 
>> I was able to stick with the group for the full 100km, which has typically 
>> been a challenge for me while riding the Atlantis. They gripped nicely on 
>> most surfaces. Only slick mud and wet leaves posed a problem, which would 
>> be an issue for any slick tire. 
>>
>> Maybe I just got lucky, but I've gotta say I'm a huge fan of these tires. 
>> And the mudflaps were great as well - everyone else looked like they jumped 
>> in the river, and I ended the ride clean and dry. 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Updated Atlantis build, initial Compass tire review

[Daniel Jackson]

Can't wait until Jan produces a 42 or even 50mm 700c tire. 

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[RBW] Re: Updated Atlantis build, initial Compass tire review

[john]

Could be wrong, but it looks like you're running Velocity rims on the 
Atlantis...Can you speak to the mounting of the tires on your rims? Easily 
mounted, or only with care and patience? I've been told mounting Compass 
tires can be a challenge on Velocity synergy rims (not sure about the other 
Velocity's, though).

On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 7:34:32 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> With winter around the bend and 11 straight days of rain, I was getting a 
> bit down. But the weekend suddenly cleared off and temperatures soared, 40 
> degrees C higher than it was two years ago! Better go ride. The ground was 
> still very wet so I decided to change up the Atlantis:
>
> - Put my Velo Orange 52mm fenders on and picked up some leather off-cuts 
> from a local shop, cut them into mud flaps to extend coverage.
> - Mounted some 38mm Compass extra light Barlow Pass tires
> - Tried mounting the Carradice Camper Longflap up front for a change, just 
> to keep all my load in the front
>
> I went on a 100km ride through some really gnarly terrain, including 
> crossing a handful of gravel pits, a beach, travelling along hydro lines, 
> crossing a farmer's field, riverbed trails, gravel roads, mud pits from new 
> construction developments in progress, and more. Even flew through two big 
> piles of glass that I didn't see at night. 
>
> I rode with four other guys - one on the regular weight Barlow Pass, a guy 
> with WTB nano's, another on some 26" tire, and a Jones 29+. Everyone 
> flatted on the ride except the two Barlow Pass riders and the Jones. Wow, I 
> was surprised!
>
> Even more surprising was how much they instantly transformed the feel of 
> the Atlantis. It feels MUCH quicker than any other tire I've ridden before. 
> I was able to stick with the group for the full 100km, which has typically 
> been a challenge for me while riding the Atlantis. They gripped nicely on 
> most surfaces. Only slick mud and wet leaves posed a problem, which would 
> be an issue for any slick tire. 
>
> Maybe I just got lucky, but I've gotta say I'm a huge fan of these tires. 
> And the mudflaps were great as well - everyone else looked like they jumped 
> in the river, and I ended the ride clean and dry. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: [RBW] Teaser

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

And know that I've finally achieved my life's goal

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Subject: RE: [RBW] Teaser

When you see me drop a "meticulously curated" then you know you've really gone 
overboard. 

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