Re: [RBW] Wanted: Old, used, torn, too short, Brooks leather handlebar tape...

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

> The people on here are great. Thanks to Rene', I have sweet looking 
> aerobars on my Atlantis. I can't thank him enough. All matched up. 
>
>
Clayton 

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[RBW] Rivendell Wilbury Mixte

[Lungimsam]

Wow! The best upright Rivendell model! 
Im sure it will generate tons of interest and I would not be surprised if you 
are getting offers already.

1. Are you in the Maryland area?
2. Does the personal name lettering come off the top tube?
3. At 5'6", is that the real seat height at which you ride the bike? Looks 
really low. I am 5'7".
4. Looking to trade for any other Rivendell model?

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[RBW] Rivendell Wilbury Mixte

[Lungimsam]

Are you located in the DC/Maryland area?

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[RBW] Rivendell Wilbury Mixte

[masmojo]

In a few months I would be very interested,  but right now . . things is a 
little tight.

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[RBW] Where to buy RBW Summer Gloves now that they are gone?

[Lungimsam]

I love those gloves. Except for the spotty tan they give your hands. Makes 
you look like you have liver spots or something.

But I really like the terry on the back of the thumbs and the massive 
cushiness of the huge pad.

They only have those Thinny gloves now. No terrycloth snot/sweat wipers.

Anyone know who manufactured them and where to find now?

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Re: [RBW] VO heads up

[masmojo]

I've always put it on top, putting it on the bottom really would not work too 
well,  the bottoms are typically rough and very porous and they recommend only 
using a small amount. It would take a whole tin if you put it on the bottom, 
and the leather would soak up too much. 

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Re: [RBW] VO heads up

[René Sterental]

I just read that the proofide goes in the underside of the leather, not on
top as I thought. Have to remember where I read it.

René

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> If anybody ordered the VO Model 8 sprung in black and decides they don't
> want it, I will be happy to buy it. I saw the sale, snoozed for a day, they
> are now out of stock. By the way, does anyone have a theory on whether to
> put the saddle treatment on the bottom of these? I do it on all my Brooks,
> but this is some kind of soaked resin.
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 7:55:21 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:
>>
>> I jumped on one of those VO saddles a couple years ago for $50. It looked
>> so nice I had to try it. The leather was very stiff.  I was never able to
>> get it to break in so I gave it away.
>>
>> Howard
>> Livonia Mi
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[RBW] Re: Drop bars on Roadeo demos. Which make/model?

[Don Compton]

It's probably not a Hwy One, but why pay more for the same bar considering 
that the Hwy One bar is an extremely durable bar. There's a connection 
between SOMA and Riv. 

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 8:13:49 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> I remember riv talking about developing a drop bar with nitto awhile back. 
> Could these be it? 
>
> Definitely not a soma highway as it has the nitto stamp sleeves at the bar 
> clamp
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Re: [RBW] Current projects finished! Now on to the next!

[Tim Butterfield]

Nice pair!

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Keith Muller  wrote:

> So I finally finished up my projects I've been working on.  I setup my
> Hunqapillar with a little more MTB bias.  Big 2.3 tires and I decided to
> run black components it.  I think it looks pretty good.  The Atlantis got
> built up with the parts I pulled off the Hunqapillar.  They both turned out
> great and are fun to ride.  Still ride the Hunqapillar the most though.  I
> just ordered an Appaloosa frameset the other day.  So that should be
> another fun project that I will start here in the next couple weeks.  It's
> gonna be my parts bin/cheap/probably still ridiculous build.  Bike builds
> are like a drug habit for me!  It never ends!  It's a fun time though.
>
> Keith
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> When *I* get a new Rivendell, I immediately start planning to Dremel,
> cut, file, twist, hammer, and otherwise remove braze ons.
>
> Patrick Moore, who actually did amputate* bits from a custom Riv Road, in
> ABQ, NM, and who likes to yank Steve's chain.
>
> * I did this wisely, and the results were astounding. The bike in question
> was my 1995 26" road custom, and I removed the bits that were irrelevant to
> a fixed drivetrain.
>

Oh, the horror!  :)  But, if you're happy with the results, that's the
important thing and it sounds like you are.  Did you leave the raw wound
exposed or give it a new custom paint job?  Does that count as beausage?

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Tim -- please report your build progress in minute and excruciating detail.
>
> This episode shows that the best marketing is happy customers. All of us
> have used Rivendell parts and ridden Rivendell bicycles, and this thread
> shows how much we love the company and its products.
>
> I'll be very interested to learn how you build up your Homer and even more
> about how it feels, fits, and rides.
>

I agree with happy customers providing great marketing.  You sure this
thread hasn't been excruciating enough?  :)  So far, the output of this
thread is an assortment of notes in a text file.

Once I convince Roman to start discussing the component selection, I'll
create a shared build spreadsheet and post notable (minute/excruciating?)
updates to the list.  He mentioned RBW is reluctant to do that as they
don't want to pull parts this early.  If they are floating the cost of
items they can no longer sell, I can't say I blame them.  Maybe I can speed
the process if I offer to increase my deposit to cover the cost of any part
pulled or ordered.  That way, the risk is on me.  I would rather do as much
up front as possible to reduce the risk of a potential back order
preventing timely delivery.

This is especially true if I have to plan for a trip to Walnut Creek.  One
of my ways of making that trip is planning for maintenance on my RV in
Junction City, OR and driving to CA while that work is being done.  I'll be
out of the RV anyway.  Might as well make that time productive.  I would
need to find a way for laying the bike in the (covered) bed of the truck in
a way that reduces risk of paint damage.  I think I can find a way, maybe
taking of the front tire off and laying the bike on a dog bed.  Of course,
with these brakes, I would need to deflate the tire a bit.  Hmmm.  :)
 Still not something that would happen often, though.  I can live with that.

The internet mantra is, "Pics or it didn't happen."  Those are a few months
out yet, but will get here eventually.

Tim

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[RBW] Re: Drop bars on Roadeo demos. Which make/model?

[Philip Kim]

I remember riv talking about developing a drop bar with nitto awhile back. 
Could these be it? 

Definitely not a soma highway as it has the nitto stamp sleeves at the bar clamp

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[RBW] Re: Drop bars on Roadeo demos. Which make/model?

[Don Compton]

Those short and shallow bars are probably Soma Hwy. One bars

On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 5:42:04 PM UTC-7, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Anyone know what make/model of drop bars are on a couple Roadeo demo 
> builds?
> Here: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-roadeo-wsf1.htm
> They appear to be Nitto, not Noodles or Mark's bar. 
> David
> Chicago

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Re: [RBW] WTT: Nitto r-14 for Pannier-compatible rear rack

[kielsun]

Found a trade. Thanks!

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[RBW] Rivendell Wilbury Mixte

[Joe Bernard]

You can measure from bottom bracket to top of seattube to get a frame size. Or 
ask David. 

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[RBW] Re: VO heads up

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If anybody ordered the VO Model 8 sprung in black and decides they don't 
want it, I will be happy to buy it. I saw the sale, snoozed for a day, they 
are now out of stock. By the way, does anyone have a theory on whether to 
put the saddle treatment on the bottom of these? I do it on all my Brooks, 
but this is some kind of soaked resin.

On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 7:55:21 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:
>
> I jumped on one of those VO saddles a couple years ago for $50. It looked 
> so nice I had to try it. The leather was very stiff.  I was never able to 
> get it to break in so I gave it away. 
>
> Howard
> Livonia Mi
>

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[RBW] Rivendell Wilbury Mixte

[Abcyclehank]

Personally Interested.  However site policy is generally to list things clearly 
For Sale with a specific price.  Don't fear offending anyone if you ask for too 
much $ you just hang on to your bike longer than intended.  Not really the 
place to put feelers out.  

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On the other hand, you've found a way of getting to that point via dialog
> here that's pretty similar to what in Myers-Briggs terms might be called
> extraverted intuition.
> http://personalityjunkie.com/10/extraverted-intuition-ne/
>

Another cool coincidence.  I just discovered that site a couple of days ago
as I was reading up on my personality type with Dr. Drenth's book on INTP.
As one of my auxiliary functions, the extraverted intuition (Ne) is
something I work at through mediums such as this list.  It works very well
that way with the sharing of lots of good information, but not too much 'in
your face' contact to overwhelm my introverted nature.  :)

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Mini-Ring the Peak Trail

[René Sterental]

Ha ha ha ha!!! Got it!

On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> That'd be great, René! LCG=lowest common gear. My eldest's term for
> hike-a-bike.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 8:00:15 PM UTC-6, René wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful! Maybe one day I'll be able to visit as well. What's LCG?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Mini-Ring the Peak Trail

[Deacon Patrick]

That'd be great, René! LCG=lowest common gear. My eldest's term for 
hike-a-bike.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> Beautiful! Maybe one day I'll be able to visit as well. What's LCG?
>

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Re: [RBW] Current projects finished! Now on to the next!

[René Sterental]

Nice!!!

On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Andrew Patteson <
andrewpatte...@waterfordschool.org> wrote:

> Wow!! very very very nice.
>
> -Andrew in SLC
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[RBW] Re: Current projects finished! Now on to the next!

[Andrew Patteson]

Wow!! very very very nice.

-Andrew in SLC

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Mini-Ring the Peak Trail

[René Sterental]

Beautiful! Maybe one day I'll be able to visit as well. What's LCG?

On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Yeah, I'm not very good at rating trails for folks. Except for my
> daughters who don't know any better, no one I've ridden with has agreed
> with my trail assessment. I guess that comes from riding only the stuff
> around here. My apologies for putting your through terror! I'd rate this
> trail as harder than Rampart by a notch or two (out of how many? Who
> knows!), but (I think) it doesn't have the drop off issue -- though who
> knows, I'd not have said Rampart has a drop off issue either, so what do I
> know?). For the record, I've taken trails with drop off issues, and usually
> end up LCGing them. Back to the trail though. Keep in mind this is 20 yards
> of the trail, and a nice pastoral part at that. Hopefully my road picking
> skills are a better match! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 5:59:46 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Aha, I see the trail -- the route seems less "fraught" than that
>> encircling Rampart Reservoir. (To all the others: Deacon took me on a
>> circuit of Rampart Reservoir last August, where I spent all my time afraid
>> of falling off the edge into the water, picking my way anxiously through
>> boulders, and trying not to fall down in muddy crossings. I did fall once,
>> in the direction of the dropoff, but fortunately intervening boulders
>> caught me and the Fargo and kept me on the level. My bar tape still shows
>> the trauma.
>>
>> I may have to drive up to C Springs at the very beginning of August to
>> pick up my daughter from the Rocky Mountain Orthodox Youth Camp and, if
>> circumstances permit staying a day or two, I will very definitely look you
>> up.
>>
>> And, I like the blue bonnet.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Help me decide how to spend a day in Sacramento /San Francisco

[Daniel D.]

I agree and I ride it frequently.  Least enjoyable part of a ride headed 
north from SF.  Kinda feel it's the most dangerous part of my ride too. 
 Just be mentally prepared for an especially crappy and crowded MUP 
experience.  But there are some nice routes on the other side that are 
worth it, kinda :p.

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 5:02:08 PM UTC-7, Richard Lawrence wrote:
>
> Surlyprof > writes: 
>
> I guess if this is your only time in SF, you should probably also see 
> the Golden Gate Bridge.  Personally, I would skip the bike, though.  I 
> have ridden over the bridge a few times but I always find it unpleasant, 
> between the roadies who want to go super fast, and all the pedestrian 
> and bicycle tourist traffic, all sharing the same strip of sidewalk...I 
> would recommend walking, or simply taking it in from a distance. 
>
> Best, 
> Richard 
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Re: [RBW] VO Grand Cru Bag

[René Sterental]

Sorry. The Rando bag is already sold. Still have the tool roll bag. $52
shipped to CONUSA.

René

On Saturday, June 4, 2016, Call Me Jay  wrote:

> Rene: how much for the set?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Friction solvdes S3X shifting problem.

[Lungimsam]

But is has a logo on it...most un-Riv-ish...

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Re: [RBW] VO Grand Cru Bag

[Call Me Jay]

Rene: how much for the set?

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[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru Bag

[Call Me Jay]

I'm probably over thinking it.  It's just feels off to me since they're 
competitors.

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Mini-Ring the Peak Trail

[Deacon Patrick]

Yeah, I'm not very good at rating trails for folks. Except for my daughters 
who don't know any better, no one I've ridden with has agreed with my trail 
assessment. I guess that comes from riding only the stuff around here. My 
apologies for putting your through terror! I'd rate this trail as harder 
than Rampart by a notch or two (out of how many? Who knows!), but (I think) 
it doesn't have the drop off issue -- though who knows, I'd not have said 
Rampart has a drop off issue either, so what do I know?). For the record, 
I've taken trails with drop off issues, and usually end up LCGing them. 
Back to the trail though. Keep in mind this is 20 yards of the trail, and a 
nice pastoral part at that. Hopefully my road picking skills are a better 
match! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick



On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 5:59:46 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Aha, I see the trail -- the route seems less "fraught" than that 
> encircling Rampart Reservoir. (To all the others: Deacon took me on a 
> circuit of Rampart Reservoir last August, where I spent all my time afraid 
> of falling off the edge into the water, picking my way anxiously through 
> boulders, and trying not to fall down in muddy crossings. I did fall once, 
> in the direction of the dropoff, but fortunately intervening boulders 
> caught me and the Fargo and kept me on the level. My bar tape still shows 
> the trauma.
>
> I may have to drive up to C Springs at the very beginning of August to 
> pick up my daughter from the Rocky Mountain Orthodox Youth Camp and, if 
> circumstances permit staying a day or two, I will very definitely look you 
> up. 
>
> And, I like the blue bonnet.
>

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[RBW] Re: OT - Help me decide how to spend a day in Sacramento /San Francisco

[Neil Doran]

Another recommendo for SF walking or biking tour. Suggestions by dstein and 
Kurt are spot on. You will love the ferry ride from Oakland, and SF is 
truly a walkable town. 

I'm one of the few (former) locals that still really digs riding across the 
GG bridge. If you rented a bike, you could do that, ride through Golden 
Gate park, part of the Marin Headlands, lunch in Sausalito...you will get 
all of the million-dollar views that way.

If the Giants are playing at home, don't forget that visitors can view the 
playing field for free, from the waterfront side. You could soak up a 
little SF baseball atmosphere that way. Short ride from the Ferry Building.

As much as it pains me, I would skip Riv. I think most first-time visitors 
find the warehouse a bit underwhelming (sacrilege!), and BBH is cool and 
all, but spend your time in SF. You will not regret it.

Final thoughts: skip Alcatraz and Fishermans Wharf. Too many damn people. 
You will have the tailored experience you seek by getting off on your own. 
And definitely skip Muir Woods, Napa wine country, etc...way too much 
driving, and again, Bay Area traffic is the suk.

More final thoughts...bring a warm layer and hat to SF. Sacramento will be 
somewhere around 100 degrees in July, while SF and environs can be in the 
upper 50s with a stiff wind and fog rolling in. No joke, you will be cold, 
especially if you are walking.

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:32:42 PM UTC-7, SeanMac wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm hoping for some advice for a trip that I will be taking in late July.  
> I will be spending a bit more than a week in Sacramento participating in a 
> seminar for teachers on the Transcontinental Railroad.  The seminar ends on 
> a Friday evening, but I decided to extend my visit a bit so that I have a 
> day to play / explore before getting on a train to head home (to Buffalo, 
> NY) on Sunday morning.
>
> I'm a Midwestern boy - never having ventured west beyond St. Louis, 
> Missouri.  It is possible that this will be the only time that I will ever 
> be in California, so I am looking for advice about what I should do on a 
> Saturday in late July.
>
> One option, of course, is to visit Riv headquarters in Walnut Creek.  I 
> certainly am considering doing just that.  I'd love comments regarding how 
> high this should be on my list of things to do (yes, I know that this list 
> is pretty biased).  I've also thought about attending a Giants baseball 
> game, or simply walking around Fisherman's Wharf / Ghiradelli Square in 
> downtown San Francisco.  A few friends have also suggested a visit to 
> Alcatraz.
>
> The only real constraint that I have is that I will need to rely on public 
> transportation to get from Sacramento to wherever I decide to go.  I also 
> would love to be back in Sacramento before it gets too late on Saturday so 
> that I can make my train home on Sunday morning.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions.  Please respond off list to :  
> sean...@gmail.com 
>
> Sean
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[RBW] Re: Drop bars on Roadeo demos. Which make/model?

[Jack K]

Nitto M106NAS? Shape looks close, but my M106NAS have screened on logos and 
the bars pictured appear to have engraved logos. 

The M106NAS is "short and shallow" bar whose shape works well with modern 
brake (or brifter) shapes. The shape is very close to the (much cheaper) 
Soma HWY1 bar.

-Jack K.

Raleigh, NC

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>
> I'd like to know too...I kinda dig them. Those aren't Mark's bars because 
> that is what I used on my Roadeo and they have a little deeper drop. 
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 7:42:04 PM UTC-5, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> Anyone know what make/model of drop bars are on a couple Roadeo demo 
>> builds?
>> Here: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-roadeo-wsf1.htm
>> They appear to be Nitto, not Noodles or Mark's bar. 
>> David
>> Chicago
>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Mini-Ring the Peak Trail

[Patrick Moore]

Aha, I see the trail -- the route seems less "fraught" than that encircling
Rampart Reservoir. (To all the others: Deacon took me on a circuit of
Rampart Reservoir last August, where I spent all my time afraid of falling
off the edge into the water, picking my way anxiously through boulders, and
trying not to fall down in muddy crossings. I did fall once, in the
direction of the dropoff, but fortunately intervening boulders caught me
and the Fargo and kept me on the level. My bar tape still shows the trauma.

I may have to drive up to C Springs at the very beginning of August to pick
up my daughter from the Rocky Mountain Orthodox Youth Camp and, if
circumstances permit staying a day or two, I will very definitely look you
up.

And, I like the blue bonnet.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Ha! That's funny. The single track is where my cares melt away! Grin.
> Should you accidentally find yourself this-a-way, holler. We can do a
> forest service road centric ride and avoid single track altogether! Yes, we
> reached a sweltering 60˚F for this ride. Of course, that feels hot in the
> trees on a long LCG climb up a utility connector road. I even had a drop of
> sweat escape from my blue bonnet! Grin.
>
> That first photo shows the trail. View it full size, and you'll see it
> going past my bike at the aspen, toward the lower right corner.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/27429773766/in/album-72157669334583115/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 5:36:55 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Very pretty, and thanks for the photos. Gad, motor traffic in that
>> beautiful area is like the selfie-taking tourists in Chartres,
>>
>> I just talked to my sister west of Florissant the other day, and she
>> described how the aspens at 9K feet are just starting to leaf. Here, spring
>> just turned into summer, with temps moving viciously into the mid 90s.
>>
>> I had hoped to make at least one more visit to the Pikes Peak are, but,
>> alas, my sister and her husband have sold their house and are moving to GA
>> next week, God willing -- her husband must take care of his mother.
>>
>> I recall the lovely reservoir trails we rode last summer; the views with
>> pleasure, the singletrack with anxiety. But the approach roads, through
>> those lovely rolling and green meadows, are roads I wish I could ride some
>> more.
>>
>> Did you take any photos of the actual trails? If so, and if you care to
>> post them, I for one will be delighted to look at them.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> A! My first longer single track ride of the year. Delicious!
>>>
>>> Popped down to and then up the Pikes Peak Highway (Loads of traffic
>>> because I was a laggard getting started, plus the test runs for the racers
>>> of the Hill Climb were coming down with their big trucks and trailers),
>>> branching off on the Ring the Peak Trail, which I rode past the stunningly
>>> crowded reservoirs (fortunately not crowded trails, so I saw the crowds
>>> mostly from afar) to Edlow Rd, and came back down (thus discovering that
>>> for the moment downhill speeds and creosote scents are within exposure
>>> limits!). What an amazing day and wonderful to get back out on the
>>> single track!
>>>
>>> (yes, the astute will notice I’m posting these to flickr. The Grid isn’t
>>> ready to handle a photo heavy sight yet, but it’s still in beta).
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157669334583115
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Help me decide how to spend a day in Sacramento /San Francisco

[Richard Lawrence]

Surlyprof  writes:

> I'd second Dave's suggestion.  The ferry rides are nice.  If Amtrak gets 
> you to Oakland, that would be a nice day.

Like John and Dave, I'd also recommend the Amtrak/ferry trip.  The
ferry is a nice way to see the Bay from a perspective you won't get any
other way.  (If the ferry is not your thing, though, you can get off
Amtrak in Berkeley or Oakland and take BART to SF instead.)

As an Oaklander, I feel I must plug for some sights on the sunny side of
the Bay.  These are things within walking distance of the Amtrak station:
  - lunch in Oakland's China Town (I quite like Shan Dong)
  - the Oakland Museum of California is a neat, eclectic museum near China Town
  - have a beer on the waterfront at Heinold's First and Last Chance Saloon
before you get back on the train 

> If you want to venture an Uber, I'd also suggest the view from the
> observation tower at the DeYoung Museum in Golden Gate Park.  Great
> place to see the city.

I also second John's suggestion for Golden Gate Park!  Besides the
DeYoung, the Academy of Science is awesome, and the Japanese tea garden
is a nice little retreat.

I guess if this is your only time in SF, you should probably also see
the Golden Gate Bridge.  Personally, I would skip the bike, though.  I
have ridden over the bridge a few times but I always find it unpleasant,
between the roadies who want to go super fast, and all the pedestrian
and bicycle tourist traffic, all sharing the same strip of sidewalk...I
would recommend walking, or simply taking it in from a distance.

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Acorn and Treetop Bags for sale

[Steven Butcher]

I'm offering for sale one Acorn Medium saddlebag, one Treetop Mini Rando 
Bag (fits a mini front rack), and two Acorn 10.25 inch straps.  Both bags 
are Ranger Tan waxed canvas and are in as new condition.  I'd be happy to 
text photographs of the bags if desired.  I want to sell all as one lot 
for  $150.00 plus shipping CONUS with transaction via PayPal family and 
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Mini-Ring the Peak Trail

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha! That's funny. The single track is where my cares melt away! Grin. 
Should you accidentally find yourself this-a-way, holler. We can do a 
forest service road centric ride and avoid single track altogether! Yes, we 
reached a sweltering 60˚F for this ride. Of course, that feels hot in the 
trees on a long LCG climb up a utility connector road. I even had a drop of 
sweat escape from my blue bonnet! Grin.

That first photo shows the trail. View it full size, and you'll see it 
going past my bike at the aspen, toward the lower right 
corner. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/27429773766/in/album-72157669334583115/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 5:36:55 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Very pretty, and thanks for the photos. Gad, motor traffic in that 
> beautiful area is like the selfie-taking tourists in Chartres,
>
> I just talked to my sister west of Florissant the other day, and she 
> described how the aspens at 9K feet are just starting to leaf. Here, spring 
> just turned into summer, with temps moving viciously into the mid 90s.
>
> I had hoped to make at least one more visit to the Pikes Peak are, but, 
> alas, my sister and her husband have sold their house and are moving to GA 
> next week, God willing -- her husband must take care of his mother.
>
> I recall the lovely reservoir trails we rode last summer; the views with 
> pleasure, the singletrack with anxiety. But the approach roads, through 
> those lovely rolling and green meadows, are roads I wish I could ride some 
> more.
>
> Did you take any photos of the actual trails? If so, and if you care to 
> post them, I for one will be delighted to look at them.
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> A! My first longer single track ride of the year. Delicious!
>>
>> Popped down to and then up the Pikes Peak Highway (Loads of traffic 
>> because I was a laggard getting started, plus the test runs for the racers 
>> of the Hill Climb were coming down with their big trucks and trailers), 
>> branching off on the Ring the Peak Trail, which I rode past the stunningly 
>> crowded reservoirs (fortunately not crowded trails, so I saw the crowds 
>> mostly from afar) to Edlow Rd, and came back down (thus discovering that 
>> for the moment downhill speeds and creosote scents are within exposure 
>> limits!). What an amazing day and wonderful to get back out on the 
>> single track!
>>
>> (yes, the astute will notice I’m posting these to flickr. The Grid isn’t 
>> ready to handle a photo heavy sight yet, but it’s still in beta).
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157669334583115
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>
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[RBW] Ride Report: Mini-Ring the Peak Trail

[Howard Hatten]

Beautiful photos Patrick. I'm jealous of you Rivsters out west. 

Howard
In the flatlands of Livonia Mi. 

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Mini-Ring the Peak Trail

[Patrick Moore]

Very pretty, and thanks for the photos. Gad, motor traffic in that
beautiful area is like the selfie-taking tourists in Chartres,

I just talked to my sister west of Florissant the other day, and she
described how the aspens at 9K feet are just starting to leaf. Here, spring
just turned into summer, with temps moving viciously into the mid 90s.

I had hoped to make at least one more visit to the Pikes Peak are, but,
alas, my sister and her husband have sold their house and are moving to GA
next week, God willing -- her husband must take care of his mother.

I recall the lovely reservoir trails we rode last summer; the views with
pleasure, the singletrack with anxiety. But the approach roads, through
those lovely rolling and green meadows, are roads I wish I could ride some
more.

Did you take any photos of the actual trails? If so, and if you care to
post them, I for one will be delighted to look at them.


On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> A! My first longer single track ride of the year. Delicious!
>
> Popped down to and then up the Pikes Peak Highway (Loads of traffic
> because I was a laggard getting started, plus the test runs for the racers
> of the Hill Climb were coming down with their big trucks and trailers),
> branching off on the Ring the Peak Trail, which I rode past the stunningly
> crowded reservoirs (fortunately not crowded trails, so I saw the crowds
> mostly from afar) to Edlow Rd, and came back down (thus discovering that
> for the moment downhill speeds and creosote scents are within exposure
> limits!). What an amazing day and wonderful to get back out on the
> single track!
>
> (yes, the astute will notice I’m posting these to flickr. The Grid isn’t
> ready to handle a photo heavy sight yet, but it’s still in beta).
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157669334583115
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Ride Report: Mini-Ring the Peak Trail

[Deacon Patrick]

A! My first longer single track ride of the year. Delicious!

Popped down to and then up the Pikes Peak Highway (Loads of traffic because I 
was a laggard getting started, plus the test runs for the racers of the Hill 
Climb were coming down with their big trucks and trailers), branching off on 
the Ring the Peak Trail, which I rode past the stunningly crowded reservoirs 
(fortunately not crowded trails, so I saw the crowds mostly from afar) to Edlow 
Rd, and came back down (thus discovering that for the moment downhill speeds 
and creosote scents are within exposure limits!). What an amazing day and 
wonderful to get back out on the single track!

(yes, the astute will notice I’m posting these to flickr. The Grid isn’t ready 
to handle a photo heavy sight yet, but it’s still in beta).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/albums/72157669334583115

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Friction solvdes S3X shifting problem.

[Patrick Moore]

Here ya go! $10 cheaper and sold, if not made, in the Yew Ess of A.

http://www.niagaracycle.com/categories/origin8-downtube-shifter-adapter-31-8-28-6mm-black
.

Still looking to trade 

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

>  VIA DT shifter clamp with Silver DT shifters.
>
> Got it from an online British bike shop. Comes with a shim for slimmer
> tubed bikes. Total with shipping I think was 26$US or something like that
> iirc. http://www.bricklanebikes.co.uk/via-downtube-shifter-mount
> 
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[RBW] Re: Two Nitto racks FS

[Jim Bronson]

SOLD
On Jun 4, 2016 1:56 PM, "Jim Bronson"  wrote:

> I can't recall model numbers.  See pics.
>
> $40 shipped for the small one, $80 shipped for the large one.
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[ted]

This is one advantage of AHH over Sam, AHH has DT shifter bosses, Sam has 
brazed on cable stops.

On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 5:10:05 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 06/04/2016 03:58 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote: 
> > John, 
> > Thanks for the additional option.  If needed, I can mention the 
> > possibility to Roman when I speak with him.  Like Joe, I personally 
> > don't care if I have to insert a repaired flat as partially inflated 
> > and then complete inflation on the bike.  I don't think it's that big 
> > of a deal.  But, it's good to have options.  As for the shifters, I've 
> > discussed all kinds of options there also.  Though I would like 
> > brifters to start with, I would like to keep the option of switching 
> > to DT or bar ends later. 
>
> As long as your frame comes equipped with downtube shifter bosses, 
> you're good on all three counts.  Where you could get shut out is if 
> instead of a shifter boss the frame comes only with a brazed-on cable 
> stop with adjuster where the shifter boss should go (very common 
> configuration these days) but I would expect Riv to be among the very 
> last to go that way. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2016 05:45 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

(Let me tell you how I used a hammer to get more crank arm clearance.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGjxWKLo7M


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[RBW] Tubeless 24 pound Sam Hillborne, plus "how to easily QR your CX70 brakes"

[Bill Lindsay]

I built a road wheelset around the HED Belgium C2 Plus rims, wanting to get 
the plumpest tubeless road tires on my road bike.  It turns out I went too 
wide, both in the tire and in the rim, and it just was not going to work.  
I took a half-step down in rim width to the normal HED Belgium C2 on the 
road bike.  The happy consequence was my Hillborne got a nice wheel 
upgrade, and now sports Compass Barlow Pass Extralights, tubeless, and now 
weighs 24 pounds.

Tubeless Hillborne 

In the process of wanting to run really fat tires on a roadish bike, I 
decided I wanted cantilever brakes that would open WIDE, so I picked up a 
set of Shimano CX70 brakes here on the list, only to find how hard it is to 
actually QR them.  It's quite difficult to get the cable head out of it's 
little receptacle.  I suspect that might have been part of why the seller 
sold them.  Anyway, I stared and thought, and cogitated, deliberated, and 
ruminated, and came up with a solution.  First, here's a photo of the cable 
end we're talking about:

CX70 brake 

The issue is that the cylindrical head fits into the ROUND recess in the 
front part of the brake arm, and there's a LONG finger on the back part.  
Un-modified you have to have enough slack to get the cable part all the way 
around that back finger, so the cylindrical head can pop out.  

My modification involved filing the front face of that cylinder.  I tapered 
the non-load bearing end quite a bit so now you can push the cable straight 
down (in-line with the cable itself) and the cylindrical head just pops out 
of that round hole, and frees right up.  

Close-up of the mod 

So, if you are like me and bought CX70s for the express purpose of being 
able to remove fat-tired wheels without deflating a tire, and you are like 
me and dislike how hard it is to QR your CX70s, then consider this mod.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, alright: chain, yank, cat, chain -- I get it.

Patrick "I may be slow, but I'm dumb" Moore

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> (Let me tell you how I used a hammer to get more crank arm clearance.)
>
> Patrick Moore, who is puzzled by the cat.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 06/04/2016 05:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> When *I* get a new Rivendell, I immediately start planning to Dremel,
>> cut, file, twist, hammer, and otherwise remove braze ons.
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment
>>
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who actually did amputate* bits from a custom Riv Road, in
>> ABQ, NM, and who likes to yank Steve's chain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> * I did this wisely, and the results were astounding. The bike in
>> question was my 1995 26" road custom, and I removed the bits that were
>> irrelevant to a fixed drivetrain.
>>
>>
>> and when you decide you've had enough of that fixie fad and want to
>> convert it back to a geared bike like a normal person...
>>
>> :-)
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Patrick Moore]

(Let me tell you how I used a hammer to get more crank arm clearance.)

Patrick Moore, who is puzzled by the cat.



On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 06/04/2016 05:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> When *I* get a new Rivendell, I immediately start planning to Dremel,
> cut, file, twist, hammer, and otherwise remove braze ons.
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment
>
>
> Patrick Moore, who actually did amputate* bits from a custom Riv Road, in
> ABQ, NM, and who likes to yank Steve's chain.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * I did this wisely, and the results were astounding. The bike in question
> was my 1995 26" road custom, and I removed the bits that were irrelevant to
> a fixed drivetrain.
>
>
> and when you decide you've had enough of that fixie fad and want to
> convert it back to a geared bike like a normal person...
>
> :-)
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2016 05:19 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
When /I/ get a new Rivendell, I immediately start planning to Dremel, 
cut, file, twist, hammer, and otherwise remove braze ons.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment



Patrick Moore, who actually did amputate* bits from a custom Riv Road, 
in ABQ, NM, and who likes to yank Steve's chain.









* I did this wisely, and the results were astounding. The bike in 
question was my 1995 26" road custom, and I removed the bits that were 
irrelevant to a fixed drivetrain.


and when you decide you've had enough of that fixie fad and want to 
convert it back to a geared bike like a normal person...


:-)

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Patrick Moore]

When *I* get a new Rivendell, I immediately start planning to Dremel, cut,
file, twist, hammer, and otherwise remove braze ons.

Patrick Moore, who actually did amputate* bits from a custom Riv Road, in
ABQ, NM, and who likes to yank Steve's chain.

* I did this wisely, and the results were astounding. The bike in question
was my 1995 26" road custom, and I removed the bits that were irrelevant to
a fixed drivetrain.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> If you mean adjustments to seat height, angle and handlebar height, then
> sure.  Otherwise, after all the effort you've put into getting it right the
> first time, all I can say to immediately starting "upgrades" is
> *God forbid!*
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Patrick Moore]

Tim -- please report your build progress in minute and excruciating detail.

This episode shows that the best marketing is happy customers. All of us
have used Rivendell parts and ridden Rivendell bicycles, and this thread
shows how much we love the company and its products.

I'll be very interested to learn how you build up your Homer and even more
about how it feels, fits, and rides.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, René Sterental 
> wrote:
>
>> Imagine when Tim finally gets his bike and then starts asking about
>> upgrades and tweaks! 😎😎😎
>
>
> :)  I could do those on a separate thread just to keep the counts down.  :)
>
> i'm hoping I got it perfect the start with, but I also know there will be
> tweaks as I get used to it.  Maybe it's inevitable.
>
> Speaking of updates, should I post order updates as dates get closer or
> just wait until delivery?  With all of the help I have received, I feel
> this bike is a bit of a group effort.  Or, maybe I could create a
> spreadsheet on Google Drive to track the build.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2016 03:58 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:

John,
Thanks for the additional option.  If needed, I can mention the 
possibility to Roman when I speak with him.  Like Joe, I personally 
don't care if I have to insert a repaired flat as partially inflated 
and then complete inflation on the bike.  I don't think it's that big 
of a deal.  But, it's good to have options.  As for the shifters, I've 
discussed all kinds of options there also.  Though I would like 
brifters to start with, I would like to keep the option of switching 
to DT or bar ends later.


As long as your frame comes equipped with downtube shifter bosses, 
you're good on all three counts.  Where you could get shut out is if 
instead of a shifter boss the frame comes only with a brazed-on cable 
stop with adjuster where the shifter boss should go (very common 
configuration these days) but I would expect Riv to be among the very 
last to go that way.


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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2016 04:05 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, René Sterental > wrote:


Imagine when Tim finally gets his bike and then starts asking
about upgrades and tweaks! 😎😎😎


:)  I could do those on a separate thread just to keep the counts 
down.  :)


i'm hoping I got it perfect the start with, but I also know there will 
be tweaks as I get used to it.  Maybe it's inevitable.





If you mean adjustments to seat height, angle and handlebar height, then 
sure.  Otherwise, after all the effort you've put into getting it right 
the first time, all I can say to immediately starting "upgrades" is *God 
forbid!


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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/04/2016 04:07 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Joe Bernard > wrote:


Wait 'til this thread convinces me to start planning my own Homer!


What might your Homer look like?  Is it rando oriented or something 
different?  I suspect you have a much clearer idea of what is needed 
than I did when I started.





It's definitely easier if you do.  On the other hand, you've found a way 
of getting to that point via dialog here that's pretty similar to what 
in Myers-Briggs terms might be called extraverted intuition. 
http://personalityjunkie.com/10/extraverted-intuition-ne/


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[RBW] Re: FS- Nitto, Paul, Zefal, Rivendell Sackville, VP-001 & SRAM

[Bruce Smitham]

*Make an offer on remaining items and I'll try to make it happen:*
Rivendell Sackville saddlesack XS in grid grey and in excellent condition 
$55
Paul Components Engineering "Love Levers" compact in black. New $80
Crane bell- either copper or brass but I can't remember $8
Tange BB 37 X 24T L-68-R in good condition $10
Sram Rival 2 X 10 front derailleur 31.8 clamp black in excellent condition 
$20

Pictures here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskBqb7uj

Paypal "friends and family" or cover any fees. Shipping is extra CONUS only.

Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks,

Bruce in San Diego (310) 968-6910

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 8:58:07 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> *Update on items SOLD. Make an offer on remaining items and I'll try to 
> make it happen:*
> VP-001 silver pedals in excellent condition $45 *SOLD*
> 2 Nitto R bottle cages in excellent condition $40 each or 2 for $75 *SOLD*
> Nitto R-14 top rack with all hardware and P-Clamps. Stays were cut to 12 
> inches. Excellent/new condition $90 
> Rivendell Sackville saddlesack XS in grid grey and in excellent condition 
> $55
> Paul Components Engineering "Love Levers" compact in black. New $80
> Nitto Technomic quill stem. 50mm stem length and 225mm quill 1" length. 
> Some marks for insertion $20 *SOLD*
> Zefal HPX frame pump silver No. 4 fits gaps between 50cm-56cm in excellent 
> condition $30 *SOLD*
> Crane bell- either copper or brass but I can't remember $8
> Tange BB 37 X 24T L-68-R in good condition $10
> Sram Rival 2 X 10 front derailleur 31.8 clamp black in excellent condition 
> $20
> Sram Apex Road shift/brake lever set 2 X 10 in excellent condition $125 
> *SOLD*
> Salsa Woodchipper 44cm black handlebars with 31.8 clamp. 30mm cut and 
> filed off each end. In great condition $45 *SOLD*
>
> Pictures here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskBqb7uj
>
> Paypal "friends and family" or cover any fees. Shipping is extra CONUS 
> only.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks,
>
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>> For sale are some goodies from  my garage that I no longer need:
>> VP-001 silver pedals in excellent condition $45
>> 2 Nitto R bottle cages in excellent condition $40 each or 2 for $75
>> Nitto R-14 top rack with all hardware and P-Clamps. Stays were cut to 12 
>> inches. Excellent/new condition $90 
>> Rivendell Sackville saddlesack XS in grid grey and in excellent condition 
>> $55
>> Paul Components Engineering "Love Levers" compact in black. New $80
>> Nitto Technomic quill stem. 50mm stem length and 225mm quill 1" length. 
>> Some marks for insertion $20
>> Zefal HPX frame pump silver No. 4 fits gaps between 50cm-56cm in 
>> excellent condition $30
>> Crane bell- either copper or brass but I can't remember $8
>> Tange BB 37 X 24T L-68-R in good condition $10
>> Sram Rival 2 X 10 front derailleur 31.8 clamp black in excellent 
>> condition $20
>> Sram Apex Road shift/brake lever set 2 X 10 in excellent condition $125
>> Salsa Woodchipper 44cm black handlebars with 31.8 clamp. 30mm cut and 
>> filed off each end. In great condition $45
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Friction solvdes S3X shifting problem.

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for this -- just what I need. If no one takes me up on the trade,
I'll get one.

In other news: brief errand shakedown ride indicates that all is well. No
hills, but I did try the lower gears. 2nd -- 57" -- feels "normal"; in1st
-- 48" -- I feel a mild "coffee grinder" effect; not so much drag as such,
but a lack of smoothness -- which I daresay implies drag. But 1st will be
fine for seated climbing. 3d is direct, 76".

Man, I wish that they had designed this with a 16% drop from 3d/direct to
2nd, and the 25% drop between 2d and 3d (76, 64, 48). But for a quick fix
for longer rides without too much expense or too much hassle in swapping
over from fixed, it's quite good.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

>  VIA DT shifter clamp with Silver DT shifters.
>
> Got it from an online British bike shop. Comes with a shim for slimmer
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> iirc. http://www.bricklanebikes.co.uk/via-downtube-shifter-mount
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[RBW] Re: Appendectomy and cycling- how long to heal?

[Kainalu]

Walking's never a bad thing. That's what I've been up to the last couple days. 
Not nearly ready for biking or any other remotely exercisey exercise, but I'm 
getting closer. 
I'd say do the research and get it done. I've been telling [joking with] my 
friends they ought to get preemptive appendectomies to avoid the before pain.
Feel better
-Kai 
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[WETH]

This thread epitomizes everything I love about this group and what makes it the 
best group I've found on the internets!  

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Wait 'til this thread convinces me to start planning my own Homer!


What might your Homer look like?  Is it rando oriented or something
different?  I suspect you have a much clearer idea of what is needed than I
did when I started.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 10:43 AM, René Sterental  wrote:

> Imagine when Tim finally gets his bike and then starts asking about
> upgrades and tweaks! 😎😎😎


:)  I could do those on a separate thread just to keep the counts down.  :)

i'm hoping I got it perfect the start with, but I also know there will be
tweaks as I get used to it.  Maybe it's inevitable.

Speaking of updates, should I post order updates as dates get closer or
just wait until delivery?  With all of the help I have received, I feel
this bike is a bit of a group effort.  Or, maybe I could create a
spreadsheet on Google Drive to track the build.

Thanks.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> 241 posts?!?!?!? I think this is a history making thread on this forum.
> Never seen one longer.
>

The support and responses from the group have been absolutely incredible.
I have learned a great deal and should end up with a Homer very well suited
to me.  Thanks again everyone.

Tim

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[RBW] Re: Friction solvdes S3X shifting problem.

[Lungimsam]

PS- I run it with a Silver Shifter  - bare washer against post. The boss 
posts are too long for the DT shifter tab stops that come with Silver 
Shifters. Works fine.

I don't know about your shifter, though. 

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Re: Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Tim Butterfield]

John,
Thanks for the additional option.  If needed, I can mention the possibility
to Roman when I speak with him.  Like Joe, I personally don't care if I
have to insert a repaired flat as partially inflated and then complete
inflation on the bike.  I don't think it's that big of a deal.  But, it's
good to have options.  As for the shifters, I've discussed all kinds of
options there also.  Though I would like brifters to start with, I would
like to keep the option of switching to DT or bar ends later.

Thanks.

Tim

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:04 AM,  wrote:

> Tim
> Perhaps if you used a Tektro brake lever (200A I believe) which has a pin
> allowing the lever to relax further, providing more slack and allowing both
> CP and cantis to open wider, you will be able to used wider tires inflated
> before insertion.
> You were talking about DT or bar end shifters, so the non-Shimano levers
> would work.
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
> On 06/03/16, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> Ted,
> I understand and appreciate your efforts.  It's good to understand the
> options.  I'll definitely have this conversation with Roman to clarify.
> I'll take a look at the model differences again.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 6:40 PM, ted  wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>> Just thought you may want to look into the options, not recommending a
>> choice.
>> The Paul and compass pads/holders are not interchangeable, the slots in
>> the brake arms are oriented differently. Look at pictures of the Paul racer
>> m model to see the difference more clearly.
>> Regarding squeal I've read conflicting reports on the raid/compass
>> brakes. Some say some say they have lots, others say not a problem.
>> I believe both the Paul and compass brakes have their adherents.
>> Ted
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[RBW] Re: Friction solvdes S3X shifting problem.

[Lungimsam]

 VIA DT shifter clamp in silver color.
Comes with a shim for slimmer downtubed bikes.
Total with shipping I think was 26$US or something like that iirc. 
http://www.bricklanebikes.co.uk/via-downtube-shifter-mount

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[RBW] Re: Friction solvdes S3X shifting problem.

[Lungimsam]

 
Other recipients: 
VIA DT shifter clamp with Silver DT shifters. Got it from an online British 
bike shop. Comes with a shim for slimmer tubed bikes. Total with shipping I 
think was 26$US or something like that iirc. 
http://www.bricklanebikes.co.uk/via-downtube-shift 
 VIA DT shifter clamp with Silver DT shifters.

Got it from an online British bike shop. Comes with a shim for slimmer 
tubed bikes. Total with shipping I think was 26$US or something like that 
iirc. http://www.bricklanebikes.co.uk/via-downtube-shifter-mount 


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[RBW] Re: Appendectomy and cycling- how long to heal?

[IanA]

Interesting stuff.  I have a inguinal hernia that I've been putting off 
having repaired.  Partially because they told me two months off the bike 
and away from yoga and partially because I am still trying to find a 
surgeon who will do it with resorbable mesh.  In Canada, the procedure is 
paid for etc., but it can be a struggle navigating the health service.

I'm starting to feel it more and more and I think I getting some odd 
side-effects from living with it unrepaired, so maybe it;s time.  I've 
though about the exercise following surgery a lot, and am wondering if just 
walking long distances will fill the exercise void and promote health after 
surgery.

Not meaning to derail the thread, but as it is not entirely unrelated 
(surgery etc) I'd appreciate the info.

Ian A/Canada



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>
> I'm glad to be rid of it, I just wondered if there were any nightmarish 
> stories of riding before the 4 week mark. I think I'll do my best to stay 
> within the prescribed guidelines. In 6 or so weeks I'll be seeing my 
> mustard Clem for the first time, so perhaps I'll make that my must ride by 
> date. Took my two year old for a long stroller roll today and did some 
> weeding in the planter, and as an oxy-codone every four hours isn't giving 
> me any false courage, I'm just taking it easy...
> Thanks 
> -Kai 
> Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: Friction solvdes S3X shifting problem.

[Lungimsam]

 VIA DT shifter clamp with Silver DT shifters.

Got it from an online British bike shop. Comes with a shim for slimmer 
tubed bikes. Total with shipping I think was 26$US or something like that 
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Joe Bernard]

Wait 'til this thread convinces me to start planning my own Homer!

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[RBW] Re: Friction solvdes S3X shifting problem.

[Patrick Moore]

If anyone has an easy on/easy off (= hinged?***) clamp type dt shifter boss
for sale or trade, I'd be happy to talk. Problem Solvers has an elegant
one, and there are a couple of decent ones on eBay, but the totals with
shipping will all be over $50.

I have a pair of 7 speed indexed (friction option too) Dura Ace dt
shifters, and a pair of even earlier friction DA dt shifters (in pieces,
but I think I have all the pieces), for either of which I'd make a straight
swap.

*** I want something that doesn't require bending metal for attachment -- a
clamp that can be easily and often removed and installed.

Thanks.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> The OEM shifter must be buggered up. I replaced it with a nice old Shimano
> 600, and it seems to hold each gear in place -- the forgiving nature of the
> hub makes it relatively easy to find 2nd, and of course 3d is all the way
> up, 1st all the way down.
>
> Shown below in 2d gear.
>
> Shakedown ride shortly.
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[RBW] NIB Veloce 9sp cassette for sale

[Jim Bronson]

I have a new in the box Veloce 9 speed I just found when cleaning out the
garage.  It's a 14-28.  How about $40 shipped?

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[RBW] Re: Friction solvdes S3X shifting problem.

[Patrick Moore]

I forgot to add that 15 minutes with a grinder and files turned a clamp-on
bottle cage boss into a clamp on shifter mount. It works very well.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> The OEM shifter must be buggered up. I replaced it with a nice old Shimano
> 600, and it seems to hold each gear in place -- the forgiving nature of the
> hub makes it relatively easy to find 2nd, and of course 3d is all the way
> up, 1st all the way down.
>
> Shown below in 2d gear.
>
> Shakedown ride shortly.
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[RBW] Re: VO heads up

[masmojo]

My stuff arrived today (a few days early!) & I have to say I have ordered 
things from VO in the past and maybe I've forgotten,  but I was really 
impressed with how well everything was put together! The leather on the saddles 
is THICK and I don't think I will have to worry about them wearing out in my 
lifetime!!

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[René Sterental]

Imagine when Tim finally gets his bike and then starts asking about
upgrades and tweaks! 😎😎😎

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[RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Lungimsam]

241 posts?!?!?!? I think this is a history making thread on this forum. 
Never seen one longer.

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Lungimsam]

I have Tektro R559's and cannot get at 38mm tire through without partial 
deflating.

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Re: [RBW] WTB bullmoose or albatross

[René Sterental]

I have all of them for sale. Contact me off list if you want.

René

On Friday, June 3, 2016, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You'll want a long stem, especially if you're used to dropbars. I need a
> 12 or 13 even on frames too long for me to ride with drops..Albas come WAY
> back.
>
> I have a cromo Alba in nice shape if you'd like it. I'd be looking for $55
> shipped, which isn't a fabulous discount over new..these things are pricey
> to ship. Gimme a holler at joeremi62 at Gmail dot com, or text 415-786-4623
> if you'd like pics.
>
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Re: [RBW] OT: Mac OS X to Ubuntu question

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. Problem identified, if not solved.

 Garth: that link identified the problem. When I downloaded Ubuntu back
circa 2006 onto a PC using Windows something or other, all it took was to
click on the download button and follow the instructions; the process
erased Windows and substituted Ubuntu. I expected to do the same with this
old Macbook but, apparently, with Macs, damn Apple's eyes, it is hardly as
straightforward.

Hopefully the video technique will help.

"Apple’s made it difficult to boot non-Mac OS X operating systems off of
USB drives. While you can connect an external CD/DVD drive to your Mac and
boot from standard Linux live CDs and USBs, simply connecting a Linux live
USB drive created by standard tools like Universal USB Installer and
uNetbootin

to
a Mac won’t work."

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Re: [RBW] Shifting problems with the S3X

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. I may have figured it out. The ist gear "click" on the lever is
somewhat elusive, and it takes a subtle touch to get the lever to click
into the 1st position and reach the detente.  I think that the lever's
internals may be a bit worn. The hub itself seems to be fine.

If this latest adjustment doesn't work, I'll try a derailleur shift lever.
The ideal shifter, IMO, would have a sturdy detente for 2d gear, and rely
on friction for the other two.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> You're sure you have the cable properly tensioned (e.g., no slack in 3rd
> gear)? It sounds like the shift lever is rotated too far to get the hub
> into 1st gear, and slips back into the "normal" 1st position.
>
> Also, you're certain it's the correct shifter?
>
> You could try putting a friction lever on the boss and see if it's the
> hub. I haven't done it, but I have read of people running the hubs with a
> friction lever. The hub is pretty forgiving I terms of getting into gear.
>
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> On Jun 3, 2016, at 6:47 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> I can't get 1st gear to work on the hub. I can get 3d and 2nd to click
> into place, but when I get the cable tight enough for 1st to click, when I
> release the lever, the cable tension pulls the lever down away from the
> "click position", loosening the cable and allowing the gear to skip.
>
> Is this slop in the lever, or is this wear in the hub? The seller said
> that he refurbished the hub shortly before selling.
>
> Also, am I somehow stressing the shift lever by installing it on a
> clamp-on bracket on the seatstay or, as now, on the seat tube? IOW, might I
> be somehow stressing the system by not using the housing, housing stop, and
> roller wheel, and instead running it directly from shifter to pull chain?
>
> I've tried the SA instructions to no avail.
>
> I know that you, Philip, have your shifter bolted to a seatstay boss, so
> your situation ought to be much the same as mine. Do you get this same
> lever slop in the gear 1 position?
>
> Note that when I remove the cable, and shift the lever with no tension at
> all, all 3 positions appear to click loudly and firmly -- but again, when
> installed with the cable, 1st gear tension pulls the lever away from the
> click position.
>
> Any suggestions gratefully accepted.
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] OT: Mac OS X to Ubuntu question

[Garth]

Try this :  
http://www.howtogeek.com/213396/how-to-boot-a-linux-live-usb-drive-on-your-mac/

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Dan McNamara]

I have brazed-on Paul Racers on a 650b frame and the brakes will not clear a 
42mm tire up front without deflating. The pads do not clear the fork when 
opening the brakes and that is the limiting factor. Tried Kool Stop mountain 
pads instead of thin lines but did not really help. 

So I just live with it. Not a huge deal. 

You can get Paul Racers with a polished finish. I am sure RBW could order them 
for you. 

Dan


> On Jun 3, 2016, at 7:47 PM, Tim Butterfield  wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> An incorrect memory of someone at Riv is reasonable.  I'll mention it to 
> Roman in case anyone cares to correct it.  I agree the polished silver look 
> better. 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Tim
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 06/03/2016 09:57 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>> Steve and Ted,
>>> I took a look at the models again.  It seems the Paul's at Riv are 
>>> different than the Paul's on the Paul web site.
>>> 
>>> This page says "He based his design on the Dia-Compe"
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/brcp2.htm
>>> 
>>> While, this page says it was "Based on the classic Mafac center pull"
>>> https://paulcomp.com/shop/components/racer/
>> 
>> Consider the source, which is more likely to be correct?   I'm sure in the 
>> case of the Riv text that's a "braino".  Both the Mafac and the DiaCompe 
>> were well known classic centerpulls; whoever wrote it reached into their 
>> memory and retrieved the wrong brake name.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Other than coloration, I didn't notice much difference.
>> 
>> As far as coloration is concerned, I believe you can get them in black, 
>> silver matte finish anodized, and polished.  Mine are polished.  IMHO the 
>> polished siver are by far the best looking.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> The Paul's page has recessed and non-recessed options.
>> 
>> Paul Racere brakes were originally for brazed-on pivots only; then later 
>> they introduced a bolt-on model that included a mounting plate, which is now 
>> available with a longer bolt and a shorter bolt, for "recessed" and 
>> "non-recessed" brake mounting holes (essentially, modern and older style 
>> frames respectively).  If you're considering brazed on pivots, this is an 
>> irrelevancy for you.  Both versions (essentially just one version, only one 
>> has a mounting plate and the other doesn't) use the same brake pads, 
>> thinline V-brake style threaded post pads.  Many vendors make that style 
>> pad; however I believe the brakes as they come from Paul come with Kool Stop 
>> pads installed.  Mine certainly did.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> It also says it uses the Kool Stop pads.  So, I'm not sure if the Riv 
>>> version does or not.  It's more stuff to clarify with Roman.
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Mac OS X to Ubuntu question

[ted]

Have you got a root account set up, and are you doing this as root?

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Re: Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[john . hawrylak]

TimPerhaps if you used a Tektro brake lever (200A I believe) which has a pin allowing the lever to relax further, providing more slack and allowing both CP and cantis to open wider, you will be able to used wider tires inflated before insertion.You were talking about DT or bar end shifters, so the non-Shimano levers would work.John HawrylakWoodstown NJOn 06/03/16, Tim Butterfield wrote: Ted,I understand and appreciate your efforts.  It's good to understand the options.  I'll definitely have this conversation with Roman to clarify.  I'll take a look at the model differences again.Thanks.TimOn Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 6:40 PM, ted  wrote:Tim,Just thought you may want to look into the options, not recommending a choice.The Paul and compass pads/holders are not interchangeable, the slots in the brake arms are oriented differently. Look at pictures of the Paul racer m model to see the difference more clearly.Regarding squeal I've read conflicting reports on the raid/compass brakes. Some say some say they have lots, others say not a problem.I believe both the Paul and compass brakes have their adherents.Ted--You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/kXHjPAy6N3s/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Mac OS X to Ubuntu question

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, I'll try this. The MB wouldn't let me use unetbootin the last time
I tried.

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Re: [RBW] OT: Mac OS X to Ubuntu question

[Patrick Moore]

Of course, but following the instructions I come up against "can't open
this file" messages.

I do after all know about google, and ask here only because my efforts
haven't succeeded.

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> Have you simply googled  something like :  2008 macbook install ubuntu  ?
>
> I do not know much about computers either, I type à finger at a time, and
> I don't really understand computer terminal lingo very well, yet I install
> linux on all my windows based pc's as soon as I buy them without ever even
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>
> Installing from a cd(now dvd) now seems archiac compared to the ease and
> speed of usb stick. Once installed on on a usb stick you can first try out
> the linux version live on any existing computer as it completely bypasses
> the installed os. This way you can see what works and what may not before
> actually installing it .
>
> Point being,  I do all this by web searching. I realized in regards to
> computers whatever the issue may be, someone has already experienced it and
> solved it and written about it. When google searching your keywords are
> everything, and putting  a specific word in double quotes is sometimes
> necessary. So while I cannot help you specifically I can tell you wih Mac
> hardware it surely has already been done.
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Mac OS X to Ubuntu question

[Peter White]

Have you tried Bootcamp?

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 6:58 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Me too.   Unlike Ubuntu, they haven't gone crazy with the user interface
> trying to emulate tablets and cell phone apps.
>
>
> On 06/04/2016 06:52 AM, Garth wrote:
>
>>
>> BTW, I run Linux Mint, it is Ubuntu based but more "user friendly" in
>> many ways for most and the best "out of the box" hardware support. Is your
>> Macbook a 4.1 ?   I found this video that may help you.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGjMsJJesbw
>>
>> He is speaking of unetbootin for the bootable usb stick.
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Mac OS X to Ubuntu question

[Steve Palincsar]

Me too.   Unlike Ubuntu, they haven't gone crazy with the user interface 
trying to emulate tablets and cell phone apps.


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many ways for most and the best "out of the box" hardware support. Is 
your Macbook a 4.1 ?   I found this video that may help you. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGjMsJJesbw


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[RBW] Re: OT: Mac OS X to Ubuntu question

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BTW, I run Linux Mint, it is Ubuntu based but more "user friendly" in many 
ways for most and the best "out of the box" hardware support. Is your 
Macbook a 4.1 ?   I found this video that may help you. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGjMsJJesbw

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[RBW] OT: Mac OS X to Ubuntu question

[Garth]

Have you simply googled  something like :  2008 macbook install ubuntu  ?

I do not know much about computers either, I type à finger at a time, and I 
don't really understand computer terminal lingo very well, yet I install linux 
on all my windows based pc's as soon as I buy them without ever even starting 
windows.  I can however read and comprehend directions !

Installing from a cd(now dvd) now seems archiac compared to the ease and speed 
of usb stick. Once installed on on a usb stick you can first try out the linux 
version live on any existing computer as it completely bypasses the installed 
os. This way you can see what works and what may not before actually installing 
it .  

Point being,  I do all this by web searching. I realized in regards to 
computers whatever the issue may be, someone has already experienced it and 
solved it and written about it. When google searching your keywords are 
everything, and putting  a specific word in double quotes is sometimes 
necessary. So while I cannot help you specifically I can tell you wih Mac 
hardware it surely has already been done. 

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