[RBW] FS: Small Gray Trunk Sack/King Cages/Berthoud Touring Saddles

[Philip Kim]

Would love the two king cages, can't pm as I'm on mobile could you email me at 
philipw...@gmail.com? Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Pondero]

As someone else on this list would say, "APPROVE!"

I'll bet that ride is sublime.  There are many wonderful details, but I think 
you'll love the stem shifters.  Enjoy!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

It's a leather top tube protector with a loop for the U-Lock. I discovered
them on Etsy. Can look for the details later.

Thanks for the comments!

On Saturday, September 24, 2016, WETH  wrote:

> Rene,'
> thanks for photos of that beautiful bike! I am also glad to learn how much
> you like to ride it!  What is the leather cover on the top tune? Is that to
> hold a u-lock or to lift the bike when carrying it?
> I'll look forward to more photos.  Congratulations again.
> Erl
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Re: [RBW] Tire trouble & puzzlement

[Patrick Moore]

Michael: I successfully and amicably warranteed a 2d hand pair of Schwabe
Kojaks  some months after purchase, when  I found the beads to be
defective. I was the second owner, but I contacted Kojak, they requested
photos, and after reviewing them, agreed to send me a new pair.

It might be worth a try ...

Patrick Moore, slowly getting the hang of an Android tablet.
On Sep 24, 2016 2:23 PM, "Michael Hechmer"  wrote:

> Yesterday afternoon while out for a short but pleasant ride on the Saluki,
> about 10 miles around a loop and five miles from home, I suddenly became
> aware of a slight bumping sensation, which I surmised was coming from my
> front tire.  I couldn't see anything wrong with it but rode the last 5
> miles very cautiously.  At home I found a bump right across the tread.  The
> tire is a nearly new Pari-Moto.  I removed the tire and on the inside
> discovered an inch long slit in the casing.
>
> Unfortunately, I bought the tire early last Summer, then decided to
> experiment with the Fatty Bumpkins which came on Pat's Betty but didn't
> actually fit very well.  Recently I realized I wasn't riding the Saluki
> much and suspected it was the tires which were leading me to avoid it.
> About two weeks ago I put the new Pari-Motos on and fell in love with the
> bike again.
>
> So, bottom line, even if I was certain this was a mfg. defect it would be
> hard to make a claim now.  I tried putting three rolls of electrical tape
> across the slit but the bubble returned.
>
> I cant think of any way the inside of the casing could have failed with
> out anything coming through the tire.  The only other hypothesis I might
> have is that in order to seat the tire properly I had blown it up to 85,
> which is 10 more than the recommended max.  After the I was sure the bead
> was on straight, I let some air out but don't own a gage and so didn't
> recheck the pressure.  Still it seems pretty remote that I could have
> damaged it.
>
> Michael
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[RBW] FS: Small Gray Trunk Sack/King Cages/Berthoud Touring Saddles

[johnb]

I am cleaning out the bike garage. I am selling the following items:

- 1 small gray Trunk Sack. Sack is lightly used and a year old - $60
- 2 Berthoud Cork Touring saddles both with superficial damage. $100 each

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B04G4TcsmG4Scu5
- 2 King Stainless cages/3 Iris Stainless cages. $5/each

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[Howard Hatten]

Nice build Rene. Thanks for the photos. The tire clearance shots are very 
helpful 
Enjoy the ride

Howard
Livonia Mi

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[RBW] Re: 650b'd romulus

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Erl, I appreciate the kind words. 

I might go all the way to 165mm myself - I just measured floor to pedal on 
the rom vs the saluki and the saluki has 9cm clearance (with pari-moto 38mm 
and 170mm crank), whereas the rom has 8cm clearance (with 42mm hetres and 
175mm crank).  so i ought to be able to even things out with a 165mm crank.
 
On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 5:30:07 PM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>
> Sky,
> Your 650b Rom looks great.  I like how the 650b tires look on the frame. 
>  I have 1200 miles on mine and continue to enjoy the ride.  I am not 
> sensitive to crank arm length, as I know others are, so going from a 170 to 
> a 165 worked. It worked so well I am slowly converting all my cranks to 
> 165. ( i am 5'10 with a 86PBH). 
> Keep the photos coming as you tweak things.
> Safe cycling wishes,
> Erl
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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[WETH]

Rene,'
thanks for photos of that beautiful bike! I am also glad to learn how much you 
like to ride it!  What is the leather cover on the top tune? Is that to hold a 
u-lock or to lift the bike when carrying it?
I'll look forward to more photos.  Congratulations again.
Erl

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[RBW] The Cheviot has arrived!

[WETH]

Congratulations! I am looking forward to photographs!
All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

What a fantastic bike! I cannot believe this is the last batch. I thought
it would not be possible, but I like it even more than the Betty. The fact
that it's my correct size probably has a lot to do with it. But it's more
than that alone. Being able to place the saddle further back (Darn Brooks
with its limited rearward positioning), the longer stays, the overall
feeling when riding it is pure bliss. Truly just ride!

I rode 14 miles with a friend this morning, then met my wife for breakfast
at our favorite place in California Ave., and I was having so much fun that
I just didn't want to go back home. Kept riding to Palo Alto Bikes in
downtown to show it to my mechanic, then went onwards to Stanford where my
oldest daughter just started her MBA and managed to catch her so I took her
for brunch as well, although I didn't eat. Then finally rode home, since I
had to pack as I'm traveling this evening.

Some first impressions:
- Wowed by the B67 Select. I keep wanting to sit a bit further back, but
it's quite comfortable and pushed all the way back. I did ride it with
padded knickers, but tested it for a short spin on regular shorts and found
it comfortable. Especially on the upright (not 100%) position I like.
- The Ahearne cockpit with Brooks slender grips is just fantastic.
- The shifters on the quill are just perfect for this bike. My mechanic
loved the setup.
- The 44mm tires are amazing. Tolerances for fenders, as you can see on the
photos, will be probably fine, but on the tighter side in terms of extra
clearance for safety.
- Like the Teltro brakes very much. Did swap their pads for the Yokozuna
salmon ones RBW sells.
- Added my custom aesthetic touches as you can see in the photos. The
kickstand with its own shellacked tape will be added when I get back. So
will the rear rack. I was planning to go with the Pleitecher rack, but
after seeing the bike built, I can't help but think it has to get the Nitto
rear rack. Another excellent improvement on this last series is that
braze-one were added in the seat stays higher than the dropout to allow for
the mid sized Nitto rear rack to fit. I like it much better since it goes
closer to the seat stays and the saddle.

Anyway, here are the photos. Enjoy!
https://flickr.com/photos/25160594@N05/sets/72157674336110365

BTW, did I say that the blue Cheviot is the prettiest of them all?

René

On Saturday, September 24, 2016, René Sterental  wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> Photos will come later, but on the Cheviot, since it's a mixte, the top
> tube intersects the seat tube in the middle, not at the top. For the rear
> center pull brake, you need the cable to be on the top of the tube so the
> cable yoke can be in front of the seat tube. Photos will clarify. And on a
> mixte for centerpulls, you only need one brazen-on on the front near the
> head tube, not both. But that single braze-on needs to be at the 12 o'clock
> position. On the Betty they were at 2 o'clock and some people were able to
> pull it off. I learned it a few weeks ago. My Betty had a front Paul
> centerpull and a rear Silver brake (like the Tektro).
>
> Will report in clearances between the tires and the fenders later today.
>
> René
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2016, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
> row.n.2nowh...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Rene,
>> Thanks for the update.
>> I'm waiting for mine too. Excited about the blue.
>> Anxious to hear about your tire/ fender clearance.
>>
>>> Jon
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[RBW] 650b'd romulus

[WETH]

Sky,
Your 650b Rom looks great.  I like how the 650b tires look on the frame.  I 
have 1200 miles on mine and continue to enjoy the ride.  I am not sensitive to 
crank arm length, as I know others are, so going from a 170 to a 165 worked. It 
worked so well I am slowly converting all my cranks to 165. ( i am 5'10 with a 
86PBH). 
Keep the photos coming as you tweak things.
Safe cycling wishes,
Erl

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[RBW] 650b'd romulus

[Sky Coulter]

I've been wanting to try 650b on my romulus since I saw Leslie's ram 
conversion. Then I was reminded again by Erl's rom conversion, So with 
soma's recent 20% sale i picked up a 650b wheelset and changed up the 
romulus:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/29822103061/in/dateposted-public/

I'm pretty happy with the change. I still need to swap out some parts and 
refine some details, but i mostly just used parts I had around. The cranks 
on the bike are 175mm and i do worry about the cornering clearance, 
especially giving the large platform pedals i like. So i'm hoping to switch 
that out at some point.  But for now I'm glad I finally took the plunge - 
makes the bike so much more enjoyable for me.


Sky in new west

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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[Broccoli Cog]

Awesome! No truer words have been spoken. Had a nice ride today on my Sam 
and didn't worry one second about how hard I was working! Life is too short 
not to enjoy what we do on two wheels. 

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 2:39:43 PM UTC-4, RoadieRyan wrote:
>
> BC -First off gorgeous Sam.  Secondly I had a very similar epiphany in 
> 2008, every ride was training, I needed to go faster lose weight get a 
> lighter bike etc. and finally realized that biking had become a chore, I 
> dropped the HRM, bought a steel bike started noticing the world around me 
> on my rides and a big goofy grin started appearing every time a threw a leg 
> over the top tube.  Enjoy your Sam!
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 3:28:15 PM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>>
>> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
>> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
>> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
>> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
>> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
>> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
>> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
>> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
>> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
>> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
>> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
>> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
>> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
>> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
>> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
>> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
>> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
>> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
>> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
>> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
>> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
>> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
>> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
>> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
>> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
>> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
>> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
>> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
>> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
>> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
>> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FS/ FT 2 46T chainrings( 110bcd)

[Mike Williams]

Yes Ryan,  both made by Sugino.   -Mike

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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 4:22 PM, Mike Williams  wrote:
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> Both Silver,  Im pretty sure both Sugino,  let me get back to you on the 
> maker Ryan
> 
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>> 
>> Color? Maker?
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Re: [RBW] FS/ FT 2 46T chainrings( 110bcd)

[Mike Williams]

Yes Ryan,  both Sugino made

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> Both Silver,  Im pretty sure both Sugino,  let me get back to you on the 
> maker Ryan
> 
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>> Color? Maker?
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Re: [RBW] FS/ FT 2 46T chainrings( 110bcd)

[Mike Williams]

Both Silver,  Im pretty sure both Sugino,  let me get back to you on the maker 
Ryan

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[RBW] FS/ FT 2 46T chainrings( 110bcd)

[Ryan Ray]

Color? Maker?

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[RBW] Re: Tire trouble & puzzlement

[Jeremy Till]

Interior casing failures can happen from manufacturing defects.  I've seen 
it a fair bit, most commonly on continental tires.  I doubt that it's from 
anything you did.  Tires should be tested well past their maximum listed 
psi so I doubt that a short period of high pressure (you probably didn't 
even ride it at that pressure, I would take it) would be the real cause of 
such a failure.  

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 1:23:38 PM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Yesterday afternoon while out for a short but pleasant ride on the Saluki, 
> about 10 miles around a loop and five miles from home, I suddenly became 
> aware of a slight bumping sensation, which I surmised was coming from my 
> front tire.  I couldn't see anything wrong with it but rode the last 5 
> miles very cautiously.  At home I found a bump right across the tread.  The 
> tire is a nearly new Pari-Moto.  I removed the tire and on the inside 
> discovered an inch long slit in the casing.
>
> Unfortunately, I bought the tire early last Summer, then decided to 
> experiment with the Fatty Bumpkins which came on Pat's Betty but didn't 
> actually fit very well.  Recently I realized I wasn't riding the Saluki 
> much and suspected it was the tires which were leading me to avoid it. 
>  About two weeks ago I put the new Pari-Motos on and fell in love with the 
> bike again.
>
> So, bottom line, even if I was certain this was a mfg. defect it would be 
> hard to make a claim now.  I tried putting three rolls of electrical tape 
> across the slit but the bubble returned.
>
> I cant think of any way the inside of the casing could have failed with 
> out anything coming through the tire.  The only other hypothesis I might 
> have is that in order to seat the tire properly I had blown it up to 85, 
> which is 10 more than the recommended max.  After the I was sure the bead 
> was on straight, I let some air out but don't own a gage and so didn't 
> recheck the pressure.  Still it seems pretty remote that I could have 
> damaged it.
>
> Michael
>

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[RBW] FS/ FT 2 46T chainrings( 110bcd)

[Michael Williams]

Hey group,   Up for sale or trade are 2 46T(110bcd) chainrings.  $20 each( 
including shipping) or trade for a 36 T ring. Like new condition.  If 
interested,  please message me.   Thanks so much!   -Mike

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[RBW] Tire trouble & puzzlement

[Michael Hechmer]

Yesterday afternoon while out for a short but pleasant ride on the Saluki, 
about 10 miles around a loop and five miles from home, I suddenly became 
aware of a slight bumping sensation, which I surmised was coming from my 
front tire.  I couldn't see anything wrong with it but rode the last 5 
miles very cautiously.  At home I found a bump right across the tread.  The 
tire is a nearly new Pari-Moto.  I removed the tire and on the inside 
discovered an inch long slit in the casing.

Unfortunately, I bought the tire early last Summer, then decided to 
experiment with the Fatty Bumpkins which came on Pat's Betty but didn't 
actually fit very well.  Recently I realized I wasn't riding the Saluki 
much and suspected it was the tires which were leading me to avoid it. 
 About two weeks ago I put the new Pari-Motos on and fell in love with the 
bike again.

So, bottom line, even if I was certain this was a mfg. defect it would be 
hard to make a claim now.  I tried putting three rolls of electrical tape 
across the slit but the bubble returned.

I cant think of any way the inside of the casing could have failed with out 
anything coming through the tire.  The only other hypothesis I might have 
is that in order to seat the tire properly I had blown it up to 85, which 
is 10 more than the recommended max.  After the I was sure the bead was on 
straight, I let some air out but don't own a gage and so didn't recheck the 
pressure.  Still it seems pretty remote that I could have damaged it.

Michael

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Re: [RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

[Eric Karnes]

All good points. One more observation: watching this list the last year, 
I've found frame sales tends to go better for the seller than full bike 
sales. Not that you can't sell complete bikes, but many of the posters here 
(myself included), tend to build up their own rigs and often have enough 
spare parts banging around to complete at least one bike (again, myself 
included). In addition, many of us have personal preferences for parts and 
personal needs for stem length, crank length, gearing, handlebar width, etc.

That said, if it was a 62 and I was in the market for a road bike, I'd jump 
on it!

Eric
  

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 1:53:22 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>
> I appreciate the comments of all.  I could use the wheels and some other 
> parts for another project, so I may strip it down and relist the frame 
> alone in a few months.  Maybe just think about it some more.  Not sure yet.
> Patrick, I'll let you know if the cranks don't get used.
>
> Alan
>
> On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 1:14:59 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> If I didn't have a converted 650b Redwood if be considering this very 
>> seriously. 
>> FWIW, I paid $1000 shipped for my Redwood (came with 700c) with a very 
>> nice parts package that I sold off and nearly made my money back. 
>> David
>> Chicago 
>
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[RBW] Re: Becoming an "Unracer"

[RoadieRyan]

BC -First off gorgeous Sam.  Secondly I had a very similar epiphany in 
2008, every ride was training, I needed to go faster lose weight get a 
lighter bike etc. and finally realized that biking had become a chore, I 
dropped the HRM, bought a steel bike started noticing the world around me 
on my rides and a big goofy grin started appearing every time a threw a leg 
over the top tube.  Enjoy your Sam!

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 3:28:15 PM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> Hello All, I am fairly new to the group and have been reading and taking 
> in some of the information shared here for the last few weeks.  My cycling 
> history has been heavily influenced by racing. My competitive experience 
> has been in road, mountain and cyclocross. I had gotten to the point where 
> riding a bike was no longer simply just riding a bike. I called it 
>  "training" and I always followed a structured plan and even had a cycling 
> coach.  In short riding became like work and took all the fun out of it. I 
> knew something had to change as I could no longer sustain my chosen path. 
> At the end of the day I am just a guy with a regular job and a family.  I 
> had been aware of Grant Peterson and the folks at Rivendell for several 
> years now. While my interest was piqued when I first learned of them I 
> never fully embraced the Rivendell style. As I began to build up my 
> conditioning for another season of racing I happened to read Grant's book 
> "Just Ride" the words on the pages leapt out at me getting to the heart of 
> everything that I had been thinking.  It was time for me to make a change. 
> While the book is full of many nuggets of wisdom there is one short 
> sentence in the book that really resonated with me. It read, *A bicycle 
> should make your life better, not take it over and boss you around*.  My 
> bike and my immersion in the racing subculture had taken over my life. So I 
> took a giant step back and reevaluated the time and effort I was putting 
> into the sport of cycling. I decided to sell off three bikes, several 
> wheelsets and many random parts that I felt I no longer needed. Frankly, 
> It's a little embarrassing to think about how much money I had spent on 
> bikes and cycling equipment through the years. The money raised from 
> selling off all of this stuff was used to purchase one awesome Sam 
> Hillborne. I love this bike as much as one can love a bicycle. It's 
> everything I need an nothing more. I have been riding it everywhere. On the 
> road, bike paths, single track, gravel, you name it. Sam does it all well 
> and it's comfortable as a bike can be. I thought I would post a picture of 
> it so you can all see how it turned out. I went with the complete bike that 
> Rivendell offers later adding a Marks Rack, SaddleSack X-small bag and a 
> Swift Industries Handlebar bag. I love it!
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] SHIPPING CASES FOR A BIKE

[Kellie]

I'm sitting at home after bi-lateral hand surgery dreaming of riding the 
C next year. What better to do than plan? I've asked about Amtrak, and 
though I've had success receiving and sending a bike using a box, I'm 
anticipating more bike shipping as I plan more rides in other locations. 
Any recommendations for cases? I'm intrigued by Chainreactions Pro carrier.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

[alan lavine]

I appreciate the comments of all.  I could use the wheels and some other 
parts for another project, so I may strip it down and relist the frame 
alone in a few months.  Maybe just think about it some more.  Not sure yet.
Patrick, I'll let you know if the cranks don't get used.

Alan

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 1:14:59 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> If I didn't have a converted 650b Redwood if be considering this very 
> seriously. 
> FWIW, I paid $1000 shipped for my Redwood (came with 700c) with a very 
> nice parts package that I sold off and nearly made my money back. 
> David
> Chicago 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

[David Banzer]

If I didn't have a converted 650b Redwood if be considering this very 
seriously. 
FWIW, I paid $1000 shipped for my Redwood (came with 700c) with a very nice 
parts package that I sold off and nearly made my money back. 
David
Chicago 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

[James Warren]

Totally reasonable, and a great buy for the right person. If I didn't already 
have one in that size, I would have leapt earlier.


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> On Sep 24, 2016, at 4:32 AM, alan lavine  wrote:
> 
> I'm rather surprised by the lack of interest in the Ram...is my pricing way 
> off?  How about $1500 for the full bike, $900 for frame?  Feel free to make 
> offers that are reasonable.
> 
> Thanks, Alan
> 
>> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:21:40 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>> Willing to ship, if needed, and price drop to $1600.  Next stop, Flea Bay.
>> 
>> Alan
>> NYC
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[RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

[Chris]

just a guess, but a 64cm bike is a BIG bike... even in Grant's "go bigger" 
mentality...  $1,500 seems very reasonable, you just gotta find the right 
person that needs a bike that big...  I can tell I have an almost brand new 
Ibis cross bike on http://forums.thepaceline.net for $1600 with no bites, 
and that's a $3k bike new... I think it's just a buyer's market right now 
with plenty of choices...  if your bike was more my size, I might be all 
over it... an orange Ram is one of "grail bikes"...  ;^)

Good Luck!

Chris

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>
> I'm rather surprised by the lack of interest in the Ram...is my pricing 
> way off?  How about $1500 for the full bike, $900 for frame?  Feel free to 
> make offers that are reasonable.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:21:40 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>>
>> Willing to ship, if needed, and price drop to $1600.  Next stop, Flea Bay.
>>
>> Alan
>> NYC
>>
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[RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

[Chris]

just a guess, but a 64cm bike is a BIG bike... even in Grant's "go bigger" 
mentality...  $1,500 seems very reasonable, you just gotta find the right 
person that needs a bike that big...  I can tell I have an almost brand new 
Ibis cross bike on paceline.net for $1600 with no bites, and that's a $3k 
bike new... I think it's just a buyer's market right now with plenty of 
choices...  if your bike was more my size, I might be all over it... an 
orange Ram is one of "grail bikes"...  ;^)

Good Luck!

Chris

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 7:32:11 AM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>
> I'm rather surprised by the lack of interest in the Ram...is my pricing 
> way off?  How about $1500 for the full bike, $900 for frame?  Feel free to 
> make offers that are reasonable.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:21:40 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>>
>> Willing to ship, if needed, and price drop to $1600.  Next stop, Flea Bay.
>>
>> Alan
>> NYC
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bars for Climbing

[Jim D Massachusetts]

Kai,Thanks. Would love to see photo.   Jim  D   
 Massachusetts

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 11:24:29 AM UTC-4, Kai Vierstra wrote:
>
> Yes, I did (put choco-mooses on my Clem). They're great, wouldn't mind a 
> little more extension, but great regardless.
> Still plenty upright and comfy, and I love having the triangle to run a 
> cable through on extended lockups in the city. Never having to worry about 
> bar slippage or fussing with stem swaps in a quest for extension perfection 
> is another added bonus of the Bullmoose style. Will post a photo if that 
> helps your decision. 
> -Kai Vierstra 
> Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: Bars for Climbing

[Kai Vierstra]

Yes, I did (put choco-mooses on my Clem). They're great, wouldn't mind a little 
more extension, but great regardless.
Still plenty upright and comfy, and I love having the triangle to run a cable 
through on extended lockups in the city. Never having to worry about bar 
slippage or fussing with stem swaps in a quest for extension perfection is 
another added bonus of the Bullmoose style. Will post a photo if that helps 
your decision. 
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: Bars for Climbing

[Jim D Massachusetts]

I do not care for the look of the bosco bulls that came with my Clem (H). I 
like the look of the choco moose bars on the Joe Appaloosa much better. I 
like that the choco bars are flatter with less rise. I have contemplated a 
switch. However, in the riding I have done so far, I have found the 
standard bosco bars to be very comfortable and I will probably stay with 
them for a while. I am concerned that Riv is going to stop carrying the 
bosco bull bars because they say they are hard to ship. Has anyone put 
choco bars (moose or normal) on their Clem?  

 Jim  DMassachusettss

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Re: [RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

[Patrick Moore]

Alan: I went back and looked at your original post (I find it useful to
include the original FS post and photos in bumps) and it looks like a very
nice bike and actually a good deal especially with rack and bags.

But I've found over the years that demand will swell and dwindle; you might
list the bike in a few months and find several offers; OTOH, there are dry
spells.

Also, I've found out literally dozens of times, that unless you adamantly
buy and build cheap and used, it is very rare to get close to one's money
back on the sale of a bike or frame.

I seem to recall buying and then a couple of years later selling on a Ram
frameset for about $600; granted I was owner # 2, if not #3, but this was a
mid-curve 58 cm frame of the later model that takes 35s and fenders, and
the frameset was in good condition. Demand for a 64 is bound to be less and
more sporadic.

I also recall selling a 56 cm, original model, original owner Sam Hill,
nicely augmented with front low rider bosses, and finding less demand than
I'd wished -- I finally sold it as a well built complete bike (but not as
nicely built as yours!) for, IIRC, $1,200.

This bike might interest someone on the Boblist, which I think is
considerably bigger than the RBW list though there is great overlap;
perhaps you are not a member of that list? I know that the Boblist
listminders disapprove of joining just to sell, but this bike ought to
interest so many that perhaps they'd make an exception.

(Steve: are you listening?)

Aside: If you ever consider selling the 175, 42/30, 50.4 bcd Sugino
chainset, I'd be interested in talking.





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> I'm rather surprised by the lack of interest in the Ram...is my pricing
> way off?  How about $1500 for the full bike, $900 for frame?  Feel free to
> make offers that are reasonable.
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:21:40 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
>>
>> Willing to ship, if needed, and price drop to $1600.  Next stop, Flea Bay.
>>
>> Alan
>> NYC
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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

Hi Tim,

Photos will come later, but on the Cheviot, since it's a mixte, the top
tube intersects the seat tube in the middle, not at the top. For the rear
center pull brake, you need the cable to be on the top of the tube so the
cable yoke can be in front of the seat tube. Photos will clarify. And on a
mixte for centerpulls, you only need one brazen-on on the front near the
head tube, not both. But that single braze-on needs to be at the 12 o'clock
position. On the Betty they were at 2 o'clock and some people were able to
pull it off. I learned it a few weeks ago. My Betty had a front Paul
centerpull and a rear Silver brake (like the Tektro).

Will report in clearances between the tires and the fenders later today.

René

On Saturday, September 24, 2016, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
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> Rene,
> Thanks for the update.
> I'm waiting for mine too. Excited about the blue.
> Anxious to hear about your tire/ fender clearance.
>
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Re: [RBW] The Cheviot has arrived!

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Rene,
Thanks for the update.
I'm waiting for mine too. Excited about the blue.
Anxious to hear about your tire/ fender clearance.

> Jon
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Re: [RBW] The Cheviot has arrived!

[Howard Hatten]

Congrats on the Cheviot Rene. I'm expecting mine later this week. I noticed the 
cable stops were moved in the photos. Looking like maybe tectro in the rear and 
Paul in the front for me. I'm interested in how your tire fender fit goes. 
Those are the tires I'm planning on using also. 
Pics please

Howard
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[RBW] Re: Bars for Climbing

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Although my Clementine was a naturally comfortable fit out of the blocks, I 
did give myself time to adapt to the upright position and the Bosco Bulls. 
I have no issues with getting up out of the saddle to honk up a hill with 
this setup. And of course it it no problem to gear down and spin up. I will 
not be touring any time soon, I look forward to reading about your 
experiences out on the long road with a Clementine. Bon voyage.

On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 10:02:51 AM UTC-4, anniebikes wrote:
>
> I'm about to tour on my Clementine and have decided to trust the Boscos. 
> With the purchase of the Clementine I need to get used to two things: 
> upright seating and an unusual bar. I figure Grant specked the builds for a 
> reason so I will be positive, plan to have a great time, and will report 
> the outcome on my blog.
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 6:44:41 PM UTC-4, Bustini wrote:
>>
>> I'm close to buying an Appaloosa, to be used for everything including 
>> loaded touring. There will be plenty of climbing to be done, so my question 
>> is this: Does the Choco-Moose bar allow for enough forward and downward 
>> lean to make for a decent (for me) climbing position? And how about a stiff 
>> headwind? Is the position too upright? I really like a rather upright 
>> riding position for most conditions, but I like to crouch when necessary. 
>> Should I consider putting drops on the bike? I know this is all somewhat 
>> subjective, but I could use some sage advice that is based in actual 
>> experience. Thank you all!
>>
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[RBW] A list of what I like most about riding my new Sam

[Broccoli Cog]

 Now that I have had some time with my Sam I have adopted a “Just Ride” 
approach to enjoying it. I thought it would be fun to share a short list of 
the things that have appealed to me most.  Feel free to reply with list of 
your own. 

Riding in regular clothes (my favorite) 
Flat grippy pedals 
Bar End friction shifters (so simple) 
Noodle Bars wide and comfortable
Cloth Tape properly shellaced 
Quill stem raised up just high enough 
A non wedge saddle bag that actually fits more than a multi-tool 

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[RBW] Re: 64 cm Orange Ram Update

[alan lavine]

I'm rather surprised by the lack of interest in the Ram...is my pricing way 
off?  How about $1500 for the full bike, $900 for frame?  Feel free to make 
offers that are reasonable.

Thanks, Alan

On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:21:40 PM UTC-4, alan lavine wrote:
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> Willing to ship, if needed, and price drop to $1600.  Next stop, Flea Bay.
>
> Alan
> NYC
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Re: [RBW] Re: Surly Pacer sizing

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Thanks guys.

I was toying with the idea of something a little lighter and sportier than 
my 56 Sam.
The Sam felt a tiny long for me with Noodles, even with an 8 cm stem. Much 
better since I changed to Albas and an 11 cm stem a couple years ago. Bars 
more or less level with the saddle depending on fitness etc.

Since Surly won't allow their dealers to ship, the Bob Jackson end to end 
Audax was a tempting alternative. With the weak pound i could get a frame 
and fork shipped for around $700.
They suggested a 22.5 of 23" frame which works out to either just shy of 58 
cm or a bit over. Either way would probably be fine.

Unfortunately, as my wife has correctly and repeatedly pointed out, I live 
in an apartment and have no room (or need) for another bike. I could 
replace the Sam, but I don't think I want to.

Jay

On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 3:23:53 AM UTC+3, Belopsky wrote:
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> I had a 56 Sam that was too long for drop bars for me but perfect w some 
> upright ones, alas I sold it.
>
> The now 51 would be a good fit for me if I was to buy another
>
> On Thursday, September 22, 2016, Richard Rios  > wrote:
>
>> I don't think it was mentioned and it's a great point about the bars. 
>> Lots of stuff plays into sizing. Perhaps he would like to offer more info 
>> and someone could offer a more specific response. Or maybe he was already 
>> leaning towards one and was looking for a bit of reassurance. Don't know. 
>> Hopefully some of the feedback he gets will be helpful though. I know I've 
>> bought a few bikes sight unseen for ok, better, and worse. It's a tough 
>> spot to be in because nice bikes can be kinda expensive and you tend to 
>> lose your butt if you decide to sell cause you don't dig the fit. Had 
>> happened to me a few times. For example I originally  bought a 52 Sam H. 
>> And after riding and remeasuring my PBH decided it was a bit small...so 
>> then I bought a 56 and wow that felt like a huge jump in size. I never got 
>> comfortable and sold it. Truth be told they were technically both fine and 
>> great bikes But I was doing the whole hand wringing thing. In the end 
>> though a 56 atlantis feels much better to me then either of the sams...any 
>> way lost my behind on both bikes / frames so the topic is kinda close to my 
>> heart and if I can help a brother out in this area I do my best to point in 
>> a reasonable direction. I think performance / competitive has a fit 
>> calculator out there that offers three frame sizes calling them french, 
>> eddy, and something else...maybe try that see what shakes out.
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[RBW] Re: The Cheviot has arrived!

[René Sterental]

To get you ready! It's finished minus the rear rack, the kickstand and as
stated, the fenders.

Sweet dreams!

On Friday, September 23, 2016, LeahFoy  wrote:

> All this, and no pictures. Why must you treat us so?
> ;)
> Leah
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