RE: [RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[olofstroh]

My custom Riv from 1999 – JB paint in dark metallic cinnamon still better 
looking – has 44,5 cm chainstays. At that time Grant complained that he 
couldn´t get his hands on longer ones so his thought were probably already in 
that direction.

Rides very, very nice though, also with the „short“ stays.

 

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

 

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Subject: [RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

 

@Don C.

 

I think the longer stays (47cm) are there to predominantly compliment the 
intended performance of the bike and not just for tire (up to 42mm) clearance. 
Looking at the RBW geo charts, the 63 AHH has 45cm CS and fits up to 43mm tires 
while the 62 Hillborne CS is at 45.5cm and fits up to 45mm tires. 



On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 9:56:14 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:

Would his bike need the extra space for the larger tires and fenders? Just a 
thought.

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-8, John Hawrylak wrote:

Pano

 

The 47cm CS seem 2 to 3cm longer than normal.Were longer CS a conscience 
decision

 

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 10:03:11 PM UTC-5, panog wrote:

 

CS length 47cm

 

 

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[panog]

@Don C.

I think the longer stays (47cm) are there to predominantly compliment the 
intended performance of the bike and not just for tire (up to 42mm) 
clearance. Looking at the RBW geo charts, the 63 AHH has 45cm CS and fits 
up to 43mm tires while the 62 Hillborne CS is at 45.5cm and fits up to 45mm 
tires. 


On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 9:56:14 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
> Would his bike need the extra space for the larger tires and fenders? Just 
> a thought.
>
> On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-8, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Pano
>>
>> The 47cm CS seem 2 to 3cm longer than normal.Were longer CS 
>> a conscience decision
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 10:03:11 PM UTC-5, panog wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> CS length 47cm
>>>
>>  
>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[panog]

@John H.

The 47cm chainstays were Grant's decision and seemingly one of the twists 
he did on my Hilsen-like custom. The thinking is that there is no reason 
for shorter than 47 considering also that my SH is at 80.5cm. The notion 
here is being positioned less on top of the rear wheel which would affect 
comfort. Grant also mentioned that the longer stays would not affect the 
ability to adjust the line the bike takes around a turn. 
The 47-49cm stays are more evident at the Riv touring style bikes ( ie 
Atlantis and Hunq) vs. the more roadish style Roadeo. Even longer stays in 
excess of 50cm appear to be the direction RBW is now taking with the newer 
Appas, Rosco, etc 
My experience with these is very superficial and limited to a couple of 
hours on an Appaloosa. Until now the longest stays I had on any of my other 
bikes were 43.5cm on my light touring and 41.5cm on my racing-like. I could 
do a wheelie at will with either; particularly easy on a steep up-slope.



On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 6:58:56 PM UTC-5, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Pano
>
> The 47cm CS seem 2 to 3cm longer than normal.Were longer CS 
> a conscience decision
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 10:03:11 PM UTC-5, panog wrote:
>
>>
>> CS length 47cm
>>
>  
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Dave Johnston]

Waterford custom paint is about $100 unless its gone up or you get extra 
fancy.

-Dave

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 7:59:42 PM UTC-5, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> What has been the typical time from the order to delivery of Waterford 
> made Atlantis or Hunqapillar?  I called Waterford and was told at least 8 
> weeks, which isn't too bad but I feel like it could be a bit longer, maybe 
> a lot longer. I was also informed they are waiting for chainstays to 
> complete current orders so that would likely put up a bit of a delay as 
> well. It's winter here in MI so I have some time, I'd just hate to have 
> wait until September. Also, has anyone opted for alternate color choices 
> and what has the cost been, if you are willing to share. Many thanks. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: RAWLANDS PORTEUR RACK INSTALLED ON CHEVIOT

[Jon BALER]

You can easily get longer struts, as they are common with salsa, tubus, and 
other rack companies. Just don't use nitto struts, as they are slightly smaller.

I had to use longer struts with Salsa Marrakesh, which has the mid-blade, low 
rider, rack mounts.  I also had to use a long spacer (30 mm) for the top mount, 
so my tall bag would clear in front of my bars.  The rawland rack mounts very 
close to the head tube.  I really think they should have designed an adjustable 
mount.

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Don Compton]

Would his bike need the extra space for the larger tires and fenders? Just 
a thought.

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 3:58:56 PM UTC-8, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Pano
>
> The 47cm CS seem 2 to 3cm longer than normal.Were longer CS 
> a conscience decision
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 10:03:11 PM UTC-5, panog wrote:
>
>>
>> CS length 47cm
>>
>  
>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Steve Palincsar]

/Where black is the color, where n plus one is the number//
//And I’ll tell it and think it and speak it and breathe it//
//And reflect it from the mountain so all souls can see it/


On 02/04/2017 06:54 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

HA! "Or not" is the problem, Steve. I have a tendency to buy new bikes, then 
"forget" to sell the old ones ;-)



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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for the comments regarding tires. That is an important point for me. 
I would like the ability to ride 50s. Bob, I appreciate the kind offer to 
help out with camping recommendations.  I will keep that in mind as the 
trip planning progresses. 

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding 
> between an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your 
> input; particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes. 
>  90%+ of my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over 
> occasionally bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, 
> specifically doing the Great Allegheny Passage and C Canal this Spring. I 
> will likely do this with a mix of camping and B stays. I am an older guy 
> (pushing seventy). Comfort is definitely a consideration. In reading 
> previous posts I have noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of 
> ease on the Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that 
> perception could you characterize that more fully? I also understand that 
> the Sam is a more "spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how 
> would you describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences 
> relatively subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. 
> I am more than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present 
> there are no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in 
> the wild in my neck of the woods. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ordering to delivery timeframe

[RichS]

Long wait for my Atlantis. 8 months. The frame is a custom color so I figured 
that added to the timeline. Worth the wait. Like Kai said the anticipation was 
part of the fun!

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Bob B]

I rode the GAP-C last summer on a Hunqapillar. The C, while my favorite 
half, was pretty bumpy. If you want to do more adventure rides, I'd suggest 
the Appaloosa because you'll get the clearance for fatter tires and 
fenders. It will ride fine on pavement. Have fun on your trip!!!

P.S., feel free to direct message me if you want camping recommendations 
for camp spots (I did it all camping!)


On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:15:15 PM UTC-5, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Guys, I have a good problem to have. I'm in the process of deciding 
> between an Appaloosa and a Sam Hillborne. I'd very much appreciate your 
> input; particularly from folks who are familiar with both of these bikes. 
>  90%+ of my riding is on pavement. The rest is light trail riding over 
> occasionally bumpy terrain. I am planning on some longer touring, 
> specifically doing the Great Allegheny Passage and C Canal this Spring. I 
> will likely do this with a mix of camping and B stays. I am an older guy 
> (pushing seventy). Comfort is definitely a consideration. In reading 
> previous posts I have noted that some feel what they describe as a sense of 
> ease on the Appaloosa. That sounds appealing. For those who share that 
> perception could you characterize that more fully? I also understand that 
> the Sam is a more "spritely" ride. For those who have ridden both bikes how 
> would you describe what distinguishes the two? Are these differences 
> relatively subtle or easily noticeable? I hope that the above makes sense. 
> I am more than happy to provide additional info. Unfortunately at present 
> there are no Rivendell dealers in my region nor have I yet to see a Riv in 
> the wild in my neck of the woods. 
> Thanks,
> Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Bob B]

My Hunqapillar took 3 months + a week to arrive (ordered April 2016). 
Assume you might wait a little extra!

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 7:59:42 PM UTC-5, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> What has been the typical time from the order to delivery of Waterford 
> made Atlantis or Hunqapillar?  I called Waterford and was told at least 8 
> weeks, which isn't too bad but I feel like it could be a bit longer, maybe 
> a lot longer. I was also informed they are waiting for chainstays to 
> complete current orders so that would likely put up a bit of a delay as 
> well. It's winter here in MI so I have some time, I'd just hate to have 
> wait until September. Also, has anyone opted for alternate color choices 
> and what has the cost been, if you are willing to share. Many thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[John Hawrylak]

Pano

The 47cm CS seem 2 to 3cm longer than normal.Were longer CS 
a conscience decision

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 10:03:11 PM UTC-5, panog wrote:

>
> CS length 47cm
>
 

>
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Re: [RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Dave]

Stopped by to pick up an order today and got a glimpse in person. Wow! Gorgeous 
color, unbelievable lug work, and incredible attention to detail. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Joe Bernard]

HA! "Or not" is the problem, Steve. I have a tendency to buy new bikes, then 
"forget" to sell the old ones ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Steve Palincsar]

You have the sequence of events reversed.  First you order the new one; 
when it comes, you sell the old one.  Or not.



On 02/04/2017 06:14 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

I really need to stop staring at your frame before I sell my Appaloosa and order a 
custom. "Make it just like Pano's, but Candy Apple Red." 



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[RBW] Re: Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Andrew Huston]

im only concerned about excessively long waits but that seems to be more likely 
with customs. This makes me realize that I'd better make up my mind soon so the 
bike can be here by the time the weather breaks. I'm patiently waiting to see 
the new Appaloosa builds which could satisfy immediate gratification. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Joe Bernard]

I really need to stop staring at your frame before I sell my Appaloosa and 
order a custom. "Make it just like Pano's, but Candy Apple Red." 

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[RBW] Re: Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Kai Vierstra]

I should've mentioned that it was 8 wonderful months that I was warned of 
and had fully anticipated waiting. 
I think it's even better than immediate gratification. When you've finally 
put it out of your mind* and it suddenly shows up!!
-Kai
Brooklyn NY

*as if


On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 7:51:05 AM UTC-5, Kai Vierstra wrote:
>
> I plopped money down and waited 8 months for my Clem...
> -Kai
> Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Pudge, you out there? I sent a PM yesterday about your pedals. 

Joe Bernard

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[RBW] ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[BenG]

Ride difference between my Sam and my Appaloosa (prototype) seems to be in the 
40mm vs 50mm tires on them at max clearance. 50 lets me run lower pressure and 
rides softer. The longer stays don't make much difference to me.

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[RBW] Re: ?Appaloosa versus Sam Hillborne

[Edwin W]

Having owned both, I would say the major differences are tire width, chain stay 
length and brake style. And of course color. I know the Appaloosa is billed 
more as a touring bike, but I haven't heard of anyone feeling the Sam to be too 
flimsy for touring!

Currently with an Appaloosa for tire width flexibility. 

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Ron Mc]

my omelettes are even better than my breakfast tacos.  
I use Nova salmon, one continuous paper-thin flake
The right salsa on top.  

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 2:27:11 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Interesting. It was Paul Theroux who snidely used the term "bobble hats" 
> in "Kingdom by the Sea." 
>
> To paraphrase Mark Twain, the coldest August I ever experienced was an 
> August in London, long ago. 
>
> This could turn into a "Yanks are strange" versus "Brits are weird" 
> thread, easily.
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Ian A  
> wrote:
>
>> A soft-boiled egg loses heat quickly. The egg-cozy keeps the egg warm for 
>> the long trek from the kitchen to the dining room (or bedroom if we're 
>> talking breakfast in bed). In a country where they've only just discovered 
>> central heating, and mostly still seem to refuse to use it, a warm 
>> breakfast is a good thing.
>>
>> Ian A - who was raised in the UK.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: front rack recommendations

[Scott Blouke]

Bin
Great bike is that a Nitto NR-20 supporting what looks like a 
Swift/Ultraromance bag? Is it the Large or Small bag?
It looks like its far enough back to not hit your legs and helps with 
wobble while still being low profile?

Scott.

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 5:02:10 PM UTC-8, Bin Chen wrote:
>
> Another vote for the Soma Porteur Rack.
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 9:11:48 AM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>>
>> im finding myself overloading my nitto m-18+basket regularly, and it is 
>> wiggling and bending more than i approve of. i think id like to replace it 
>> with a non-mini rack. looking around, there seem to be way more options 
>> than i thought there would be, especially with so many porteur style racks 
>> now .So im wondering if its possible to compile a semi comprehensive list 
>> of front racks that fullfill this criteria.
>>
>> -attach to the dropout eyelets
>> -clear 700x50 tires
>> -have an adequate platform for a basket
>> -are steel and silver
>> -are not super big/overbuilt/loaded touring style racks.
>>
>> pannier rails are not needed, but neednt be avoided either. 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

Interesting. It was Paul Theroux who snidely used the term "bobble hats" in
"Kingdom by the Sea."

To paraphrase Mark Twain, the coldest August I ever experienced was an
August in London, long ago.

This could turn into a "Yanks are strange" versus "Brits are weird" thread,
easily.

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Ian A  wrote:

> A soft-boiled egg loses heat quickly. The egg-cozy keeps the egg warm for
> the long trek from the kitchen to the dining room (or bedroom if we're
> talking breakfast in bed). In a country where they've only just discovered
> central heating, and mostly still seem to refuse to use it, a warm
> breakfast is a good thing.
>
> Ian A - who was raised in the UK.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Ian A]

A soft-boiled egg loses heat quickly. The egg-cozy keeps the egg warm for 
the long trek from the kitchen to the dining room (or bedroom if we're 
talking breakfast in bed). In a country where they've only just discovered 
central heating, and mostly still seem to refuse to use it, a warm 
breakfast is a good thing.

Ian A - who was raised in the UK.

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 12:08:09 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Oh, no. For a quick (ish) and very easy late night snack when you don't 
> anything more elaborate (I assume y'all don't keep junk snacks in the 
> house), hardboiled eggs are very nice. A lot of salt, a little black pepper.
>
> Softboiled eggs: why do the British use those little bobble caps?
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 10:30 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Boiled eggs are a waste of good eggs.   ;>)  
>>
>> But seriously, I've never had a soft-boiled egg and now I'm intrigued.  I 
>> can't stand hard boiled eggs (sulphur flavored chalk, anyone?) but what 
>> I've seen of soft-boiled looks good!  
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: RAWLANDS PORTEUR RACK INSTALLED ON CHEVIOT

[Jon Dukeman]

Sean,
I bought the Rawlands Rack after trying a Nitto Pot luck rack.
It would not fit due to the legs that attach to the eyelet on the fork drop
out were too short to fit over a 700c38 tire with fender.
Like you I wanted a wider rack than a Mark's rack.Also Marks rack is rated
at 4.4 lbs.The Rawlands capacity is 22lbs.
Marks rack is $140 Rawlands is $80.Rawlands only comes in black.
Another rack you might like is the Pass and Stowe, capacity of 25lbs but a
bit pricey at $280. I have one on my Sam.It's a great rack.
Are you planning on carrying panniers???
Jon

"FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS RIDE JUNK "

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 12:16 PM, SeanMac  wrote:

>
> Thanks for sharing your pictures.  I'm in the process of gathering the
> odds and ends for my Cheviot build.  I ordered one of the recently produced
> grey models, but have yet to take it out of the box.  Anyway, I'm intrigued
> by your photos.  Why did you choose to go with the Rawlands rack?  I've had
> my eye on one of the Soma porteur racks - I particularly like the Soma
> Deluxe Porteur rack, but I wonder how well it will play with the side pull
> brakes that I plan to use on my Cheviot.
>
> I would love to hear comments / see pictures if anyone has installed a
> Soma Porteur rack on a Cheviot.  It seems like going with a porteur rack
> would provide much more support than something like a Mark's rack with a
> Wald basket.  Anyway - love to hear what others have experienced.
>
> Sean
> East Aurora, NY
>
>>
>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 6:45:33 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central
>>> Colorado wrote:

 Installed the Rawlands rack on my Cheviot that has a front Dia Comp 750
 center pull brake and P50 fenders.
 Rack Load Rated @ 10kg or 22lbs.
 There is about the thickness of a human hair between the rack mount and
 head set.Plenty of room for brake. Works great!
 Wald basket decisions to be made soon.
 Jon

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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks all. Garth's video and especially Part 2 are very helpful. I have
plenty of tortillas, so I'll start with one of those for practice.

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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Ray Varella]

Patrick,
 Flipping eggs is a fluid motion, gently work the pan in a slightly 
downward arc away from you at at the outermost point of the arc, give a gentle 
flip while returning the pan back towards youto catch the airborne omelette. 
Be sure to make sure the contents of the pan are loose and you can gently shake 
the pan and see the omelette (or other contents) slip and slide around the pan. 

You can practice with a skillet and a handful of dried beans. 
Once you are no longer spilling beans all over the floor, move on to food. 
You can also practice with a tortilla, once you get the hang of it, you'll be 
flipping most things with out utensils. 

The shape of the pan helps too. 
My egg pans are old thin carbon steel with flared sides. 

Ray
Vallejo CA

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[RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Wayne Naha]

Just for something to do today, I made some soft boiled eggs as per Will's 
procedure, and they turned out great.  Just the right consistency, and they 
peeled like butter.  My girls were so excited.  They asked "Is this the 
kind of eggs where you take off the top and eat it out of a little cup?" 
 We don't have egg cups in out house anymore, so I let them use a shot 
glass.  That worked pretty well.

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 8:27:17 PM UTC-5, Mojo wrote:
>
> No no no! Like a high trail bike climbing at 4 mph, my egg boil method 
> veers wildly from Will@Riv's advice in the email that came today. Never 
> drop a cold egg into boiling water unless you want it to crack and bleed 
> whites into the water. Now my method is modified by living at 5000 feet. 
> But I place cold eggs in cold water then add heat. When boiling starts I 
> time for 4 minutes for soft boiled eggs that look similar to the egg in the 
> email. Seven minutes firms the yoke but not into the 'hard boiled' 
> category. At the end of the 4-7 minutes, I come back into Riv agreement 
> with an ice bath. 
>
> Joe "who has eaten about 5000 eggs since I went low(er) carb in August 
> 2011 and only my HDL cholesterol numbers are higher" Ramey
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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick, you have to have flip it without a spatula. In other words, with a 
flip of the wrist. Use a good, non-stick pan with butter. Let the bottom get 
nice and done. With a circular motion get the omelet moving around in the pan, 
then, once it's sliding well and toward the front, a flick forward and up. It 
works great. It impresses the ladies too :-) I worked at Denny's for a bit in 
the 70s and flipping an omelet was the only thing I learned (besides to never 
eat at Denny's). 

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[RBW] Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Joe Bernard]

Well yes, I'm obviously referring to frames advertised as current models, not 
pre-preproduction promotions. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: RAWLANDS PORTEUR RACK INSTALLED ON CHEVIOT

[SeanMac]

Thanks for sharing your pictures.  I'm in the process of gathering the odds 
and ends for my Cheviot build.  I ordered one of the recently produced grey 
models, but have yet to take it out of the box.  Anyway, I'm intrigued by 
your photos.  Why did you choose to go with the Rawlands rack?  I've had my 
eye on one of the Soma porteur racks - I particularly like the Soma Deluxe 
Porteur rack, but I wonder how well it will play with the side pull brakes 
that I plan to use on my Cheviot.

I would love to hear comments / see pictures if anyone has installed a Soma 
Porteur rack on a Cheviot.  It seems like going with a porteur rack would 
provide much more support than something like a Mark's rack with a Wald 
basket.  Anyway - love to hear what others have experienced.

Sean
East Aurora, NY

>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 6:45:33 PM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central 
>> Colorado wrote:
>>>
>>> Installed the Rawlands rack on my Cheviot that has a front Dia Comp 750 
>>> center pull brake and P50 fenders.
>>> Rack Load Rated @ 10kg or 22lbs.
>>> There is about the thickness of a human hair between the rack mount and 
>>> head set.Plenty of room for brake. Works great!
>>> Wald basket decisions to be made soon.
>>> Jon
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Re: [RBW] OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Garth]

It's quite easy actually. This guy pretty much says it all in short. 
Essentials are a proper pan and don't f'n hesitate ! Just flick your wrist 
sorta like you want to flip someone off :) 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acVoEWiqL40



On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 2:02:23 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Boiled eggs, hell. I want to know how to flip an omelet without breaking 
> it. Seriously.
>
>
>

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[RBW] 55 CROMO Bosco bars for sale

[Richard Rios]

HI Everyone,

I just swapped out stock 55cm bosco bars for the wider 58 version so i am 
selling the originals.

Asking 45$  paypal friends and family plus actual shipping cost. My guess 
would be around 15$ shipping, I will be using the box and packing riv sent 
me which is kinda large. local pickup is welcomed 92313.  I'll post a 
picture shortly but nothing much to see other then the bars.  There might 
be some VERY faint insertion marks but basically looks new. 

Preguntas,
Call  909 910-7424

Thanks,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Patrick Moore]

Boiled eggs, hell. I want to know how to flip an omelet without breaking
it. Seriously.

(Hardboiled; works for me: cold eggs in cold water, very low heat, walk
away for at least 30 minutes but I've left them for an hour; come back,
cool, peel with no problems.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Daniel D.]

And no one's saying you must eat boiled eggs or you'll die either.  I guess 
you're right.

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 8:51:18 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 02/04/2017 11:27 AM, Daniel D. wrote: 
> > Boiling eggs will top helmets as most contentious topic. 
>
> I don't hear anyone actually arguing against boiled eggs. 
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Boiled eggs are a waste of good eggs.   ;>)  

But seriously, I've never had a soft-boiled egg and now I'm intrigued.  I 
can't stand hard boiled eggs (sulphur flavored chalk, anyone?) but what 
I've seen of soft-boiled looks good!  




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>
>
> On 02/04/2017 11:27 AM, Daniel D. wrote: 
> > Boiling eggs will top helmets as most contentious topic. 
>
> I don't hear anyone actually arguing against boiled eggs. 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Ron Mc]

mine was subtle

On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 10:51:18 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 02/04/2017 11:27 AM, Daniel D. wrote: 
> > Boiling eggs will top helmets as most contentious topic. 
>
> I don't hear anyone actually arguing against boiled eggs. 
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Steve Palincsar]

On 02/04/2017 11:27 AM, Daniel D. wrote:

Boiling eggs will top helmets as most contentious topic.


I don't hear anyone actually arguing against boiled eggs.



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[RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[William R.]

Wow! That is such a beauty. I love everything about it, except it doesn't have 
MY name on the top tube!

It's also interesting and fun to compare it to that orange Sam in the previous 
post. Very similar. Just not with all bells and whistles. All Rivendells are 
great, capable bikes, from the Taiwan built all the way up to the ultimate 
customs built by Mark Nobilette. But yeah, if I'm ever in that kind of 
financial position, I won't hesitate to call Grant and order myself a custom!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Jeff Lesperance]

We go through up to 2 dozen boiled eggs a week in my household, a majority
of that consumption is from me. I typically cook a dozen or so at a time,
and go with the cold egg into cold water, bring to a boil and as soon as a
boil is achieved, turn off the heat, cover and let stand for 9 - 10 minutes
then immediate ice bath. This makes for a softish-firm yolk, not chalky
overdone, not underdone/runny.

I have tried all sorts of methods and tricks to try to make peeling easier,
including salted water, vinegar in the water and steaming, but nothing has
worked better than using at least week-old eggs, preferably closer to two
week-old eggs. We get fresh eggs delivered to our house weekly by a
somewhat local farm, and I've taken to having to order enough to keep a
general backlog of eggs so that I don't have to boil fresh eggs, as I know
peeling them will be a nightmare.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Garth  wrote:

>   FWIW , I always drop my cold-from-the-fridge eggs directly into the
> boiling water and only rarely does one crack, and if it does it seals very
> quickly. I boil about 8-10 at a time. I let the water boil again with the
> lid on, stop the heat and just let them sit in the pot w/lid on, as in just
> forget about them, even naturally cooling for hours. They always peel like
> butter whether warm or store the in the fridge to peel another day :)
> Having boiled tons of eggs in past restaurant daze, I found this rather
> straightforward approach just works, meaning when you have to peel dozens
> at a time you want them to peel easily.
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 8:27:17 PM UTC-5, Mojo wrote:
>
>> No no no! Like a high trail bike climbing at 4 mph, my egg boil method
>> veers wildly from Will@Riv's advice in the email that came today. Never
>> drop a cold egg into boiling water unless you want it to crack and bleed
>> whites into the water. Now my method is modified by living at 5000 feet.
>> But I place cold eggs in cold water then add heat. When boiling starts I
>> time for 4 minutes for soft boiled eggs that look similar to the egg in the
>> email. Seven minutes firms the yoke but not into the 'hard boiled'
>> category. At the end of the 4-7 minutes, I come back into Riv agreement
>> with an ice bath.
>>
>> Joe "who has eaten about 5000 eggs since I went low(er) carb in August
>> 2011 and only my HDL cholesterol numbers are higher" Ramey
>>
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[RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Daniel D.]

Boiling eggs will top helmets as most contentious topic.

 Bring eggs to boil covered.  Take off heat, let sit for 6 minutes.  cold water 
bath.  Spoon to help with shelling.

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[RBW] Ordering to delivery timeframe

[William R.]

I know you are talking about Riv production, Waterford frames. But I think the 
way they do it is a cause and effect of their size and the lean machine that is 
Riv. I really enjoyed the experience of getting on the Appaloosa pre-sale. The 
savings and the service or "help" that I was giving to Riv by paying up front 
was clear. The waiting and anticipating was half the fun. And the reward at the 
end of the line was a great product that checked every box when you think of 
what we've all come to expect with confidence in Riv. And you get even more 
when you order one of the Waterford built models. I would take them at their 
word with maybe a month padding too. If you order now you should have it in May.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Anyone have experience using Bosco bars?

[John McClusky]

That makes sense.  I think my thumb shifters and bell may have been in the 
way.

John

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:14:35 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> John, the "hood position" is right at the top front where the the bar 
> starts curving down towards the flat section that flanks the stem. It's 
> kinda useless if you're using mtb grips and above bar shifters; the demo I 
> rode at RBW had cloth tape for grips and no obstacles in front of them. 

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[RBW] Re: Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Kellie]

I ordered an Atlantis last Aug. and received it the first week of Nov. But 
I remember recently reading a Rivendell remark that orders placed at the 
end of the year ('16) would take at least 3 months. FWIW, Riv told me 2-3 
months when I placed the order and I feel like I was lucky to get it in two.

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 4:59:42 PM UTC-8, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> What has been the typical time from the order to delivery of Waterford 
> made Atlantis or Hunqapillar?  I called Waterford and was told at least 8 
> weeks, which isn't too bad but I feel like it could be a bit longer, maybe 
> a lot longer. I was also informed they are waiting for chainstays to 
> complete current orders so that would likely put up a bit of a delay as 
> well. It's winter here in MI so I have some time, I'd just hate to have 
> wait until September. Also, has anyone opted for alternate color choices 
> and what has the cost been, if you are willing to share. Many thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Garth]

  FWIW , I always drop my cold-from-the-fridge eggs directly into the 
boiling water and only rarely does one crack, and if it does it seals very 
quickly. I boil about 8-10 at a time. I let the water boil again with the 
lid on, stop the heat and just let them sit in the pot w/lid on, as in just 
forget about them, even naturally cooling for hours. They always peel like 
butter whether warm or store the in the fridge to peel another day :)   
Having boiled tons of eggs in past restaurant daze, I found this rather 
straightforward approach just works, meaning when you have to peel dozens 
at a time you want them to peel easily.  



On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 8:27:17 PM UTC-5, Mojo wrote:
>
> No no no! Like a high trail bike climbing at 4 mph, my egg boil method 
> veers wildly from Will@Riv's advice in the email that came today. Never 
> drop a cold egg into boiling water unless you want it to crack and bleed 
> whites into the water. Now my method is modified by living at 5000 feet. 
> But I place cold eggs in cold water then add heat. When boiling starts I 
> time for 4 minutes for soft boiled eggs that look similar to the egg in the 
> email. Seven minutes firms the yoke but not into the 'hard boiled' 
> category. At the end of the 4-7 minutes, I come back into Riv agreement 
> with an ice bath. 
>
> Joe "who has eaten about 5000 eggs since I went low(er) carb in August 
> 2011 and only my HDL cholesterol numbers are higher" Ramey
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[RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Christopher Cote]

I never had good boiled eggs (I like them medium-to-hard) until I learned 
to put them in the pan with cold water, bring to a boil, and then time. 
Perfect every time. Dropping eggs into boiling water was inconsistent and 
lead to broken shells at least half the time. YMWNV.

Chris


On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 8:27:17 PM UTC-5, Mojo wrote:
>
> No no no! Like a high trail bike climbing at 4 mph, my egg boil method 
> veers wildly from Will@Riv's advice in the email that came today. Never 
> drop a cold egg into boiling water unless you want it to crack and bleed 
> whites into the water. Now my method is modified by living at 5000 feet. 
> But I place cold eggs in cold water then add heat. When boiling starts I 
> time for 4 minutes for soft boiled eggs that look similar to the egg in the 
> email. Seven minutes firms the yoke but not into the 'hard boiled' 
> category. At the end of the 4-7 minutes, I come back into Riv agreement 
> with an ice bath. 
>
> Joe "who has eaten about 5000 eggs since I went low(er) carb in August 
> 2011 and only my HDL cholesterol numbers are higher" Ramey
>

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[RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ron, you've got my stomach growling! +1 on using at least week old eggs for 
ease of peeling. I fought that like crazy years ago until I read that. Also, 
cage free organic seem to peel easier as well. As far as the yolks, which I 
like softer too, I drop (ease with a spoon) them into boiling water then remove 
after 7 minutes here in Kansas (altitude 690ft.). The softness isn't always 
consistent though. Sometimes they're a bit too runny. I also think that putting 
them in the cold water and boiling for 4 minutes is great but requires too much 
careful observation for a pretty lazy guy like myself...

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Wayne Naha]

So beautiful!  I can't wait to see it built up.

On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is 
> the one I would be most likely to copy.  
>
> WANT!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jiminy Christmas! What a beautiful bike. I too was surprised about some of 
those features. I got the internal routing, seat stay pump peg and chain slap 
guard on my custom MAP and really like all those features. I thought I was done 
adding bikes for at least a couple of years but now I'm not so sure. I've 
always wanted a custom Riv...Enjoy Pano!

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Re: [RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[panog]

Absolutely! Looking forward to it!

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Re: [RBW] BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[Steve Palincsar]

Provide 2 cm clearance and "folding-up" is far less of a concern.


On 02/04/2017 12:52 AM, panog wrote:

Thank you.

An issue with metal fenders could be the so called "folding-up" when 
sticks caught by the tire are pushed up under the fender as the tire 
rotates forward. This could result in the fender "folding-over" at the 
crown, abruptly stopping the motion of the bike and causing the rider 
to go over the handlebars. The SKS fenders, that RBW advocates, use 
safety release tabs where the fender stays connect to the dropouts. 
These are designed to release and free the fender so it does not get 
squished under the crown.
Very valid concern, specially with deep tread tires that tend to pick 
stuff as they roll. My use is predominantly paved roads and smooth 
tread tires so the chances for this happening are significantly 
reduced, I hope.



On Saturday, February 4, 2017 at 12:36:36 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

A truly beautiful bike. Congratulations. And a slap on the back to
Grant for confirming that Riv is not in the "retro recreation scene."

Curious: What does Grant have against VO or perhaps just metal
fenders?

More photos, please, as you build it up and ride it, and your
impressions of the ride. I know that my Riv road bikes define fit
and handling for me.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:30 PM, panog  wrote:

Yes, the frameset does show features that may be viewed as
non-Riv typical. After filling out the order forms, these
features included, Grant was kind enough to entertain me in
several hour-long telephone discussions pertaining to the
intended use of the bike, handling characteristics, etc. I
distinctly recall him emphatically mentioning that RBW is not
in the retro recreation scene. Neither was this my intention.
I wanted a Rivendell, with the performance features Riv's are
known for and with a few amenities that make sense for my use.

Following with the features list Bill posted:
1. /Seatstay pump peg:/ During my daily commute I have to
carry the bike up a few steps. I do that holding it by the top
tube. The typical pump install under the TT would interfere
with this. Same reason for going with the internal brake cable
TT routing instead of the CX routing version which I am not
aesthetically fond off.
2. /Frenchie chainstay slap guard:/ I typically use the
self-adhesive VO leather guard. Every six months or so I
usually peel it off and replace it when it gets too dirty as I
often ride in the rain. Glue remnants left behind need
scrubbing with thinner to be removed. The rubber chainslap
guard, suspended over the CS, will alleviate that.
3. /Under the fork crown fender boss:/ I think it makes
installation of fenders without using a L angle easier.
4. /Dynamo wire guides:/  I think it makes for a neater
installation of the wiring and allows easier/quicker removal
of the wire (without having to cut-off too many zip ties) when
a non dynamo-hub wheel is used.

BTW, Mark Nobilette did ask if I would have preferred the SL
dropouts for totally hidden wiring but I opted out because I
have several non connector-less hub wheels and need to be able
to use them from bike to bike if need be.

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[RBW] Re: BLUG reveal of an incredible custom

[ascpgh]

Makes me want to recondition my Orange Rambouillet, erasing sixteen years 
of beausage and adding a couple of braze-ons. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 6:17:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Of all the Riv customs I've ever seen, the one shown on the BLUG today is 
> the one I would be most likely to copy.  
>
> WANT!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Ordering to delivery timeframe

[Kai Vierstra]

I plopped money down and waited 8 months for my Clem...
-Kai
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Ron Mc]

I think the fastidious line has been crossed on this thread
But I'll see your hard-boiled eggs,


and raise you smoked venison and papas breakfast tacos

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Les Lammers]

You can find them on the auction site. They are serviceable.  
http://www.vpcomponents.com/product/vp-push-n2/ 


On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 6:13:46 PM UTC-5, William R. wrote:
>
> Joe, the pedals that came on my Appaloosa are known as VP Push-N2 pedals. 
> I like them a lot and so bought 2 more pairs for $29 each on Amazon. They 
> are tough and smooth and seem serviceable. I say they seem serviceable 
> because I haven't had to do anything to the originals other than tighten 
> the lock nut under the dust cap a couple of times. I ride the Appaloosa a 
> lot and they are stil going strong after almost a year. I put another pair 
> on my Polyvalent and have a spare pair. Really good cheap pedals. Super 
> grippy, thin and reflectors!
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY  
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[Les Lammers]

You can find them on the auction site. They are serviceable,  
http://www.vpcomponents.com/product/vp-push-n2/

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 6:13:46 PM UTC-5, William R. wrote:
>
> Joe, the pedals that came on my Appaloosa are known as VP Push-N2 pedals. 
> I like them a lot and so bought 2 more pairs for $29 each on Amazon. They 
> are tough and smooth and seem serviceable. I say they seem serviceable 
> because I haven't had to do anything to the originals other than tighten 
> the lock nut under the dust cap a couple of times. I ride the Appaloosa a 
> lot and they are stil going strong after almost a year. I put another pair 
> on my Polyvalent and have a spare pair. Really good cheap pedals. Super 
> grippy, thin and reflectors!
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY  
>

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[RBW] OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

[Justin August]

I learned how to do perfect hard cooked eggs and have never looked back. 
Boil water. 
Put eggs in steamer basket (not in the water) and steam with lid on for 12 
minutes. You can leave out or refrigerate immediately it's up to you. 

The way to get the shells to peel off best is by using eggs that are older. The 
pH changes and that is the major issue in shells adhering to the egg. 

Soft cooking would probably just mean changing the time to something lower like 
7 minutes of steaming. 

-Justin

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