Re: [RBW] Re: Roast your own coffee?

[Ray Varella]

I've been home roasting for years and years. 
Even in the Bay Area where I live, there is no coffee available that is as good 
as what I can roast in 7 minutes in my kitchen. 
Benefits, fresher coffee
Lower expense, about half the cost of buying roasted coffee
Ups drops green beans at the door
Green coffee stays fresh for months but after about six months, some of the 
nuances can degrade a bit but it's still very good
I'm able to drink something different every couple days
High quality coffee and lots of varietals available. 
Nuanced coffee like you probably have not tasted before. Coffee has about twice 
the flavonoids of wine. 
Ability to control your roast profile and tailor your roasts to your specific 
tastes. 
Super simple
Takes less time to roast coffee than to go buy it. 
Plenty more pluses

Negatives?
I haven't really found any. 
I usually keep about two days ahead on my roasting so the coffee has a chance 
to rest and the oils settle. 
Some types benefit from a longer rest but two days is a good ballpark. 

A little smokey but I just open the window over the sink. 
Chat makes a little mess but I let it blow into the sink and it takes ten- 
fifteen seconds to pick up. 

It's far easier than most people expect and you really don't need to overthink 
it. 

It's just like cooking, don't waste your money on a bunch of gadgets, just play 
attention, decide how dark or light you prefer your brew and roast accordingly. 

I'm happy to talk with you privately. 

Cheers,
Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roast your own coffee?

[dstein]

I did this for a while with sweet maria beans and some of the air popcorn 
poppers, later upgrading to a purpose built coffee bean roaster (that 
worked like the air popcorn poppers). It was a lot of fun, I enjoyed doing 
it. But a huge amount of work for very little results. I forget the amounts 
but the air popcorn poppers and most consumer grade poppers could only 
roast 2-3 days worth of coffee at one time. It gets risky doing batches 
back to back as the roasters get too hot, you're supposed to wait for it to 
cool down first which adds 10-20 minutes b/w roasts. So it could take 45 
minutes to get a weeks worth of coffee roasted in one sitting. Oh, and you 
need to do this outside lest your family revolt against you. It can get 
smoky. This was 8 years ago, so maybe the market for consumer roasters has 
changed. Again, enjoyed it, taught me a lot and it was relatively cheap to 
get into if you do the popcorn air popper route, but not something that was 
sustainable. And someone mentioned stovetop, which I guess is how grandma 
and her generation used to do it, but I've never tried it.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 26" dyno wheelset, brooks cambium natrual, nitto big back medium

[dstein]

It would have been nice if I could spell 'Natrual' right in the subject ;)

Rack and saddle are sold. Dyno wheelset remains.135mm spacing on the rear 
wheel btw.

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 5:51:59 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Dyno Wheelset - 26” Atlas rim with Rivendell Silver rear hub and SP SV-9 
> Dyno hub (36 rear, 32 front), db spokes - $350
> Brooks Cambium Saddle Natural- $110 (like new - cambium natural, maybe 50 
> miles)
> Nitto Big Back Rack (rear) - Medium 32R - $150
>
> Plus actual shipping charges (and pending time for me to get boxes for 
> each item) or local pickup in Oakland, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roast your own coffee?

[Lee Legrand]

Way too much time Deacon.  I need my coffee in the morning to get me
going.  Cant spend 30 minutes roasting, then 5 minutes grinding, 5 minutes
boiling water, 4 minutes brewing in french press and then to drink.  Way
too much time.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Jonathan D.  wrote:

> I have several friends bag roast. You can get a fine product from the air
> pop. However to really get a great roast you have to control for a lot of
> variables including the temperature of the room. It can be fun but to match
> a good roast from a local roaster takes a lot of work.
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Re: [RBW] Saddle height vs PBH

[Richard Rios]

I prefer the heel on pedal method plus a few hairs up. I found Riv's 
recomendation of pbh -10 or 11 put me a tad high. Always felt like I was 
reaching for the pedals and my toes were pointed down to much for my taste. I 
prefer a flatter foot while pedaling. I end up around 72.5-73 with a 85 cm pbh 
measured by the old book jammed up crotch method.

Richard "it's close either way though" rios

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Dave; Sabots and these Power Grips clones might be the best
compromise, which is somewhat adequate retention while accommodating all
shoes.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 7:14 PM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> My only experience with the Hold-Fast straps is with VO Sabot pedals.  In
> that case retraction hasn't been a problem because the pins on the pedal
> aren't that tall and are rounded.  I tightened the straps to the point that
> they're snug, but not so tight they were cutting off blood flow to my toes,
> and I made sure I could remove my feet quickly without issue.  The
> tightness level is a fine line, but I found it pretty quickly.
>
> On a recent tour I considered going with the Sabots and no straps, and
> ended up taking the pedals with straps thinking that I could remove the
> straps during the trip if I wanted to.  On the 2nd afternoon it rained
> fairly hard for a couple of hours and I flipped the pedals to test the
> Sabots without retention, and my foot slipped more than I thought they
> would.  I was glad I had the straps.  With longer spikier pins I think
> retracting from the Hold-Fasts would be a problem, and in that case you may
> not need retention even when it rains.
>
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 6:42:51 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>
>> I've never tried this, but wouldn't pins be somewhat redundant on a pedal
>> with straps? Also, wouldn't the pins make foot entrance/exit difficult? I
>> was under the assumption that grippy pedals with pins were made for bmx or
>> mtb applications where you wouldn't want straps.
>>
>> I have thin gripsters on 2 bikes, and my foot does zero sliding around. I
>> hear you on the pulling up part, but I haven't thought about that since
>> installing them on the bike.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Ortlieb handlebar bag, XTR rear der, Bicycle Quarterly mags, saddles, more

[Anne]

The XTR rerouted der and Bicycle Quarterly mags have been claimed. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

[Jeff Lesperance]

I've never measured saddle height, well, I suppose I tried once and I
observed that there appeared to be enough room for error and variability in
measuring based on the type and position of my saddle that I wasn't sure I
could use a tape measure measurement as a baseline to set saddle height
across my array of bikes. How do you all measure consistently, and is it
necessary to take into account varying setback across different bikes?

I've mostly standardized to two different saddle models that have no
padding but do squish/deflect some (Brooks C-17 and B17 models) so saddle
make up does cause variance, but seat tube angles, seatpost setback, saddle
rail length and desired seating position (close to or further from KOPS)
pending riding style/bike style create enough perceived variability for me
that I just put the saddle where I think I want it to be fore/aft (usually
as aft as possible), put on my most common riding shoes (Keen Newports) and
put the saddle in position whereas my leg is as straight as can be when my
heel is on the pedal and the crank is straight down. From bike to bike,
across the variables I've mentioned, I've found that I've had to make up to
+/- 2 cm adjustments, but that's pretty rare, and really only tends to rear
its head as a necessity for longer-than-average mileage days. I think I
used to be more sensitive to saddle height over shorter distances when I
used foot retention, but since going to flat pedals and sandals I know that
I move my foot around on the pedal over the course of a day, not unlike the
way I move my hands around my handlebars.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

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> Good point, I do shove the saddle back as far as it goes on an offset seat
> post. I've been measuring along the seat tube. That would make a difference.
>
> Chris "trigonometry" Cote
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[RBW] Re: D2R2 2017

[Call Me Jay]

I'll be there again this year with my two boys, age 8 and 10, and either my 
Homer or Legolas.  We should definitely all meet up for a beer.

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[RBW] Re: Let's Talk Fenders...

[Jon BALER]

Planet bike now has aluminum fenders, which are easy to install.  They go by 
'alx' and come in silver in 65mm

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[RBW] Possibly FS: 1986 Pinnarello Montello

[Fullylugged]

I passed your email address along.

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[RBW] Re: Roast your own coffee?

[Jonathan D.]

I have several friends bag roast. You can get a fine product from the air pop. 
However to really get a great roast you have to control for a lot of variables 
including the temperature of the room. It can be fun but to match a good roast 
from a local roaster takes a lot of work. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My only experience with the Hold-Fast straps is with VO Sabot pedals.  In 
that case retraction hasn't been a problem because the pins on the pedal 
aren't that tall and are rounded.  I tightened the straps to the point that 
they're snug, but not so tight they were cutting off blood flow to my toes, 
and I made sure I could remove my feet quickly without issue.  The 
tightness level is a fine line, but I found it pretty quickly.  

On a recent tour I considered going with the Sabots and no straps, and 
ended up taking the pedals with straps thinking that I could remove the 
straps during the trip if I wanted to.  On the 2nd afternoon it rained 
fairly hard for a couple of hours and I flipped the pedals to test the 
Sabots without retention, and my foot slipped more than I thought they 
would.  I was glad I had the straps.  With longer spikier pins I think 
retracting from the Hold-Fasts would be a problem, and in that case you may 
not need retention even when it rains.   

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 6:42:51 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> I've never tried this, but wouldn't pins be somewhat redundant on a pedal 
> with straps? Also, wouldn't the pins make foot entrance/exit difficult? I 
> was under the assumption that grippy pedals with pins were made for bmx or 
> mtb applications where you wouldn't want straps. 
>
> I have thin gripsters on 2 bikes, and my foot does zero sliding around. I 
> hear you on the pulling up part, but I haven't thought about that since 
> installing them on the bike. 
>

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[RBW] Re: D2R2 2017

[Eli Queen]

Thanks for the replies everyone. It would be awesome to meet some of the kind 
folks from this list while in Deerfield. 

- Eli

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[RBW] Re: Roast your own coffee?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

There is a guy in town here who started roasting maybe 8-10 years ago, with 
a small but commercial setup, Taz Kafe.  It took 
him a while before people liked his roasts. Now he has some of the best 
beans around. 

It's kind of like making your own yogurt from starter, or your own 
tortillas from flour and water. I guess you'll save a few pennies, 
butI've never looked into the cost difference when buying green vs. 
roasted. If sourcing is not an issue, and it's substantially cheaper, and 
you get better than available coffee results with a short ramp time, it 
might make sense. Me,  I'll stick to grinding a good local roast and 
brewing in the bathtub.

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 7:28:13 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I’ve toyed with the idea of roasting my own coffee. Then Kellie goes and 
> mentions Sweet Maria’s and I find this:
>
> https://www.sweetmarias.com/product/heavy-gauge-stovetop-popper-with-ss-base
>
> Experiences and recommendations? Is it practical to roast your own coffee? 
> Benefits?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Roast your own coffee?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've tried several times to roast coffee in a cast iron skillet, using a 
whisk to stir the beans.  I think I did this about three times and got 
drinkable but not really good coffee.  

Friday, I picked up an air popcorn popper and after about three tries, I 
found that roasting green coffee beans is quite easy.  I haven't tried the 
beans I roasted because they are generally best after sitting for a few 
days but I expect it to take some practice, which is half the fun.  The 
biggest issue with an air popper is that the beans blow out the top so you 
have to figure out a way to keep them in the popper.  A wire mesh seems to 
be a popular choice.  

Overall, green coffee beans are cheap and you can get into roasting with 
just a pan and a whisk.  An air popper costs about $20 and people report 
roasting excellent coffee with them. 




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>
> I’ve toyed with the idea of roasting my own coffee. Then Kellie goes and 
> mentions Sweet Maria’s and I find this:
>
> https://www.sweetmarias.com/product/heavy-gauge-stovetop-popper-with-ss-base
>
> Experiences and recommendations? Is it practical to roast your own coffee? 
> Benefits?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Garth. More good information to feed into the knowledge mill.

No, I've never tried no-ret, at least, not since about 1972 -- actually,
had a grocery store Raleigh Sprite in WDC circa 1986-8 with rubber blocks,
but since then, nope. I keep meaning to try it but haven't gotten a round
tuit yet. But I want to!

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Garth  wrote:

> Hollow point pins, the most common, grip anything soft. Depending on the
> softness it may even create voids in the sole. I
> This happens on Crocs slides I wear and my feet do not move at all on tne
> pedals, but since the the sandals fit somewhat loose my feet move around a
> bit, whatever is natural. I removed all the pins on o e side and installed
> spome skate tape on the exposed surfacw of the Vice, and though I can move
> my feet around easily my feet still have never flown off. I suppose it is
> in the technique. I started many eons ago keeping my feet level
> throughout(like cleaning mud off your shoes) the stroke with the
> availablity of clipless and this easily translated to flat pedals and a
> midfoot position. It's all in the technique, not the pedal itself.
>
> Your boat shoes are a harder rubber but they may still create holes in the
> soles.
>
> Have you not tried going strapless many times Patrick and it never felt
> good enough for you ?  That's what I recall. If so don't bother, just go
> with a retention system. Unless your technique has changed it'll be a
> Groundhod Day, and there's nowhere to go but off the cliff with the little
> fella !
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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

[Christopher Cote]

Good point, I do shove the saddle back as far as it goes on an offset seat 
post. I've been measuring along the seat tube. That would make a difference. 

Chris "trigonometry" Cote

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Garth]

Hollow point pins, the most common, grip anything soft. Depending on the 
softness it may even create voids in the sole. I
This happens on Crocs slides I wear and my feet do not move at all on tne 
pedals, but since the the sandals fit somewhat loose my feet move around a bit, 
whatever is natural. I removed all the pins on o e side and installed spome 
skate tape on the exposed surfacw of the Vice, and though I can move my feet 
around easily my feet still have never flown off. I suppose it is in the 
technique. I started many eons ago keeping my feet level throughout(like 
cleaning mud off your shoes) the stroke with the availablity of clipless and 
this easily translated to flat pedals and a midfoot position. It's all in the 
technique, not the pedal itself.

Your boat shoes are a harder rubber but they may still create holes in the 
soles. 

Have you not tried going strapless many times Patrick and it never felt good 
enough for you ?  That's what I recall. If so don't bother, just go with a 
retention system. Unless your technique has changed it'll be a Groundhod Day, 
and there's nowhere to go but off the cliff with the little fella ! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Ty Graham]

some of us have to check everything. :-)


On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 4:21:02 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Ooooh medical tape.  Maybe.  I'll rewatch the movie and make a judgement. 
>  Who's in the pool for:
>
> Electrical tape
> Scotch tape 
> Newbaums
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Re: [RBW] Feeler: 56cm Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis

[Philip Kim]

Srry to hear that Igor, I know how it goes. A one bike hard limit has been 
freeing for myself personally. It's surprising how adaptable bike use can be 
(if you get the right one). Though, I do look at some bikes, including this 
one, where I want to get another bike. But always have to snap myself out of it.

Best of luck! This one is a good one at a good price.

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[RBW] Re: Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

[Philip Kim]

I also need use the same one as Kellie. Got mine from ocean air as well. Very 
useful and compact!

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[RBW] Roast your own coffee?

[Deacon Patrick]

I’ve toyed with the idea of roasting my own coffee. Then Kellie goes and 
mentions Sweet Maria’s and I find this:
https://www.sweetmarias.com/product/heavy-gauge-stovetop-popper-with-ss-base 


Experiences and recommendations? Is it practical to roast your own coffee? 
Benefits?

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[RBW] Re: Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That top one is a very similar concept but even more compact.  Pretty cool 
if it makes good coffee.



On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 5:01:04 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:
>
> Here's a much more packable drip coffee maker. This photo from Ocean Air 
> Cycles, where you can purchase it from. The cone totally collapses; becomes 
> flat, and it weighs next to nothing. I also use a Clever Coffee maker (2nd 
> photo), looks much like yours but it's more like a french press where you 
> let the water steep and when you* put it on top of your cup* it pours 
> out. Order from Sweet Maria's in Oakland. Both use filters, easier to clean 
> than an Aeropress.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 8:14:37 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> I know a lot of people here have a lightweight coffee brewing system they 
>> carry on their bikes and I just discovered a product that is extremely 
>> light, relatively cheap and makes a good cup of coffee with no skill 
>> needed.  
>>
>> The product is the brew basket from the Technivorm Moccamaster Cup One 
>> brewer.  This brewer is designed to run 10oz of water thru 18-20 grams of 
>> coffee at an optimum extraction time.  The brew basket is durable plastic, 
>> weighs less than 1/3 of what an Aeropress weighs and has a built in rim 
>> that will sit on the top of a wide coffee cup.  It's designed for #1 
>> filters but I found that #4 filters work fine.  The brew basket is 
>> available from Technivorm for $15.  
>>
>> The brew method is simple:
>>
>> 1)  Put filter in brew basket, grind coffee, add coffee to brew basket, 
>> set brew basket on top of cup.
>> 2)  Heat water and pour 330ml or 10 oz of water (If you measure it once 
>> while at home, it's easy to approximate without measuring) into brew 
>> basket.  Stir
>> 3)  Wait for coffee to drain into cup.  Takes about 4 minutes.  
>>
>> It's essentially a cheap, lightweight, low-attention pour over.   
>>
>> The brew basket:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> In action:
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Deacon. One more very useful data point.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Barefoot and pins, no. Thin, flat sandals work great with pins. You should
> be just fine. You may find a grippier rubber sole grips better, but you'll
> get a lot of grip short of a wooden clog. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
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>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 4:45:25 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Whoops! Good point! You might have saved me from yet one more expensive
>> Trial And Error experiment, with the result being the Error.
>>
>> But this raises a question: do the pins work to hold any shoe in place --
>> eg, the Sperry boat shoes I'm wearing right now? Or do you need to buy
>> special grippy soles for grippy pins? If so, if I have to change out of my
>> slip on boat shoes, I might as well slip into SPD shoes.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 4:42 PM, drew  wrote:
>>
>>> I've never tried this, but wouldn't pins be somewhat redundant on a
>>> pedal with straps? Also, wouldn't the pins make foot entrance/exit
>>> difficult? I was under the assumption that grippy pedals with pins were
>>> made for bmx or mtb applications where you wouldn't want straps.
>>>
>>> I have thin gripsters on 2 bikes, and my foot does zero sliding around.
>>> I hear you on the pulling up part, but I haven't thought about that since
>>> installing them on the bike.
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Re: [RBW] Feeler: 56cm Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis

[Belopsky]

https://www.flickr.com/gp/14767344@N07/1e45N0

Photos from today.
Bike is in Ann Arbor,MI

Fat bike sold. looks like Vigorelli frame will sell. Wheels from the Bob are 
sold. Rivendell is on the block.

I'd hang on to it but for the riding I do I need something snappy. Space 
constraints mean 1 bike two wheelsets at most  (road and gravel), not counting 
my brompton.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Deacon Patrick]

Barefoot and pins, no. Thin, flat sandals work great with pins. You should 
be just fine. You may find a grippier rubber sole grips better, but you'll 
get a lot of grip short of a wooden clog. Grin.

With abandon,
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On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 4:45:25 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Whoops! Good point! You might have saved me from yet one more expensive 
> Trial And Error experiment, with the result being the Error.
>
> But this raises a question: do the pins work to hold any shoe in place -- 
> eg, the Sperry boat shoes I'm wearing right now? Or do you need to buy 
> special grippy soles for grippy pins? If so, if I have to change out of my 
> slip on boat shoes, I might as well slip into SPD shoes.
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 4:42 PM, drew  
> wrote:
>
>> I've never tried this, but wouldn't pins be somewhat redundant on a pedal 
>> with straps? Also, wouldn't the pins make foot entrance/exit difficult? I 
>> was under the assumption that grippy pedals with pins were made for bmx or 
>> mtb applications where you wouldn't want straps.
>>
>> I have thin gripsters on 2 bikes, and my foot does zero sliding around. I 
>> hear you on the pulling up part, but I haven't thought about that since 
>> installing them on the bike.
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[RBW] Possibly FS: 1986 Pinnarello Montello

[Fullylugged]

No.  Non Riv friend who rides current Pinarello and would enjoy having a 
classic one also.  

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[RBW] Re: Let's Talk Fenders...

[Michael Morrissey]

I've had the Velo Orange 45mm hammered fenders, 50mm sks ones w/ 50mm tires 
(fits, but any rough stuff or misuse easily causes them to rub), and now I have 
the 65mm SKS ones on my Appaloosa (much more clearance for 50mm tires!). 

I have a few suggestions:
Call around to auto paint shops and have them paint your fenders silver. As 
silver is the #1 most popular car color in the USA, chances are likely they can 
spray yours cheaply and promptly. 

Skip the back L bracket and drill a hole in the fender to mount your fender 
under the back brake. 

Use Honjo daruma hardware. See SimWorks USA and Ben's Cycle websites for what's 
available. 

If all else fails, use zip ties. 

Good luck and post your results here!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

Whoops! Good point! You might have saved me from yet one more expensive
Trial And Error experiment, with the result being the Error.

But this raises a question: do the pins work to hold any shoe in place --
eg, the Sperry boat shoes I'm wearing right now? Or do you need to buy
special grippy soles for grippy pins? If so, if I have to change out of my
slip on boat shoes, I might as well slip into SPD shoes.

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> I've never tried this, but wouldn't pins be somewhat redundant on a pedal
> with straps? Also, wouldn't the pins make foot entrance/exit difficult? I
> was under the assumption that grippy pedals with pins were made for bmx or
> mtb applications where you wouldn't want straps.
>
> I have thin gripsters on 2 bikes, and my foot does zero sliding around. I
> hear you on the pulling up part, but I haven't thought about that since
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[drew]

I've never tried this, but wouldn't pins be somewhat redundant on a pedal with 
straps? Also, wouldn't the pins make foot entrance/exit difficult? I was under 
the assumption that grippy pedals with pins were made for bmx or mtb 
applications where you wouldn't want straps. 

I have thin gripsters on 2 bikes, and my foot does zero sliding around. I hear 
you on the pulling up part, but I haven't thought about that since installing 
them on the bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

[Dan McNamara]

The Clever Coffee dripper has a valve at the bottom that releases when put on a 
cup. So it functions like an immersion brewer (French Press or a Clover) but 
has the advantages of a drip brewer - filter and use of gravity. It makes a 
great cup but does not pack small. 

Dan

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> It looks just like the smaller of my 2 Melita drip makers. Is there something 
> about it that is different that doesn't appear in the photo? Or is the 
> difference the Technivorm system's water heater?
> 
> I agree that such baskets make excellent coffee!
> 
> Patrick "2 X #4/day man" Moore
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:14 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>> I know a lot of people here have a lightweight coffee brewing system they 
>> carry on their bikes and I just discovered a product that is extremely 
>> light, relatively cheap and makes a good cup of coffee with no skill needed. 
>>  
>> 
>> The product is the brew basket from the Technivorm Moccamaster Cup One 
>> brewer.  This brewer is designed to run 10oz of water thru 18-20 grams of 
>> coffee at an optimum extraction time.  The brew basket is durable plastic, 
>> weighs less than 1/3 of what an Aeropress weighs and has a built in rim that 
>> will sit on the top of a wide coffee cup.  It's designed for #1 filters but 
>> I found that #4 filters work fine.  The brew basket is available from 
>> Technivorm for $15.  
>> 
>> The brew method is simple:
>> 
>> 1)  Put filter in brew basket, grind coffee, add coffee to brew basket, set 
>> brew basket on top of cup.
>> 2)  Heat water and pour 330ml or 10 oz of water (If you measure it once 
>> while at home, it's easy to approximate without measuring) into brew basket. 
>>  Stir
>> 3)  Wait for coffee to drain into cup.  Takes about 4 minutes.  
>> 
>> It's essentially a cheap, lightweight, low-attention pour over.   
>> 
>> The brew basket:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In action:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Feeler: 56cm Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry to hear about your injury, but man, hold on to that Atlantis! Rent a
U-Stor-It!

Riding for exercise is *fun!* Riding to explore is *fun!* Riding to get
places is *fun!* *Any* riding is (or ought to be and can be) *fun!*

I'd keep an Atlantis (even if it don't have disc brakes!).

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Long story short - meniscus/knee injury and a move to a smaller place and
> the fact that I don't do any loaded touring means I am more motivated to
> sell off bikes than usual. If I can sell my fat bike, my Bob Jackson single
> speed the Rivendell is also on the chopping block.
>
> Long story shorter - I can commute by bike currently but riding for
> fitness is not fun. Riding to explore is not fun. All else has to go.
>
>
> It's a 56cm Toyo build Rivendell. It's in pretty good shape with a few
> knicks here and there. Lots of relatively new parts.
>
> Nitto Compass Maes Bars
> Nitto 90mm Stem
> Dura-Ace bar end shifters
> Black Newbaums w/ shellac
> Shimano R400 Brake levers
> Tektro CR720 Calipers w/ ceramic pads
> Mavic Crossmax UST Ceramic (tubeless ready!)
> TA Zephyr Triple
> Thomson zero-offset elite seatpost (silver)
> Shimano Ultegra front derailleur
> Shimano Deore XT rear derailleur
>
> No seat.
>
> This bike weighs 24.x lbs.
>
> $1800 is what would take it. Price is shipped.
> A bit outdated photos (bars and levers are different than this, and
> wrapped and there are bar ends)
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/34371942264/in/
> dateposted-public/
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> right now.
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Re: [RBW] Saddle height vs PBH

[Patrick Moore]

Christopher: any saddle height rule is only a "rule of thumb." It's a
starting point, like KOPS. Measure per Grant or whomever; ride; adjust.

Patrick Moore, who has recently very slightly reduced his saddle setback
over the center of the bb spindle.

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Christopher Cote <
christopherjamesc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm curious how many here find that Grant's "rule" about saddle height
> being 10-11cm lower than PBH to be true for them. My PBH is 86cm and for
> the longest time, ran my saddle at 75cm from the center of the cranks.
> Lately, I switched from clipless pedals to flats, and now that the weather
> is warm, I have been riding in Bedrock Sandals. Because the soles are so
> thin, I had to lower my saddle a bit. I've also been dealing with some knee
> pain and came across these articles: https://www.
> stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/02/seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be/ and
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/addendum-to-
> seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be-2/. I think a lot of what he says is going
> on for me: knee and back pain, tilted hips, pedaling toes-down, etc. I went
> for a ride this morning and stopped to lower my saddle a few times. No new
> knee pain (same as before), and now I feel like I can pedal with a more
> level foot. My legs are still pretty far extended at the bottom of the
> stroke, and I can't reach them at the bottom with my heels (another
> possibly flawed guide for setting saddle height). When I got home I
> measured the saddle height at 73cm. I know the Bedrock sandals are thin,
> but I doubt they're 2cm thinner than my clipless pedals and shoe combo.
> Maybe the additional sole flex makes them effectively even thinner?
>
> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

[Patrick Moore]

Jay: grind it very fine as if for Turkish (and not the medium as Melita
recommends -- dunno about Technivorm). This will get it as strong as you
like -- my bro in law prepared mine on Friday morning (7 am) -- usual 12 oz
-- but used a much finer grind than I'd been using. Man, I was wired until
2 pm!

I have a #1 or #2 Melita, but like a bigger basket, so I ordered a #4
which, oddly, came with 3 great big holes in the bottom. I Shoe Goo'd holes
#s 1 and 3 shut; now it's much better!

Patrick "also uses a press" Moore

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Jay Connolly 
wrote:

> I really like bold coffee, and I find that coffee made with this sort of
> system comes out a bit "thin." Best thing I've found is the aeropress,
> which allows you to control the brew time and make anything from "espresso"
> to a full cup of coffee. If you're getting the taste you want, though, then
> there's probably nothing simpler, easier, and more cost effective than what
> you're doing.
>
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Re: [RBW] Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

[Patrick Moore]

It looks just like the smaller of my 2 Melita drip makers. Is there
something about it that is different that doesn't appear in the photo? Or
is the difference the Technivorm system's water heater?

I agree that such baskets make excellent coffee!

Patrick "2 X #4/day man" Moore

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:14 AM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> I know a lot of people here have a lightweight coffee brewing system they
> carry on their bikes and I just discovered a product that is extremely
> light, relatively cheap and makes a good cup of coffee with no skill
> needed.
>
> The product is the brew basket from the Technivorm Moccamaster Cup One
> brewer.  This brewer is designed to run 10oz of water thru 18-20 grams of
> coffee at an optimum extraction time.  The brew basket is durable plastic,
> weighs less than 1/3 of what an Aeropress weighs and has a built in rim
> that will sit on the top of a wide coffee cup.  It's designed for #1
> filters but I found that #4 filters work fine.  The brew basket is
> available from Technivorm for $15.
>
> The brew method is simple:
>
> 1)  Put filter in brew basket, grind coffee, add coffee to brew basket,
> set brew basket on top of cup.
> 2)  Heat water and pour 330ml or 10 oz of water (If you measure it once
> while at home, it's easy to approximate without measuring) into brew
> basket.  Stir
> 3)  Wait for coffee to drain into cup.  Takes about 4 minutes.
>
> It's essentially a cheap, lightweight, low-attention pour over.
>
> The brew basket:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> In action:
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's Talk Fenders...

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, the Planet Bike Cascadia fenders come in 60 or 65 mm and in your
choice of black or black. I have them on my Matthews, tho' God willing I'll
eventually swap them for aluminum ones, simply for looks.

On my 2003 custom Road, I rather neatly indented the 45 mm fender at the
crown/legs junctions to clear fork, of course, but also to clear the front
caliper. There were threads about doing this denting neatly last year or
'15, IIRC.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Kiley DeMond  wrote:

> OK, I think I am going to go with the SKS B65, paint the inside stripes,
> and cut it Will-style. I am looking all over for the picture of the
> Will-fix — link, anyone? Rivet a tab through the front section that holds
> up the front instead of tie wraps.
>
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 8:45:14 AM UTC-7, Kiley DeMond wrote:
>>
>> When I got my 60cm Cheviot, I ordered the SKS P50 fenders. I hear they
>> 'fit' even if the front has to be cut and attached to either side of the
>> front brake because with Schwalbe 50cm tires leave precious little
>> clearance, but I could not get them to fit and sold them. I suspect part of
>> it was because I really didn't care for them, and I didn't really care for
>> the idea of cutting them. (I bought smaller front tires (47s, then 42s),
>> but have gone back to the original Big Bens.) I did not like the clear
>> stripes which look black when on. I want all silver. I thought I might try
>> the P65s, but I think I will have the same issues.
>>
>> So, I am throwing the door open for options. I have been thinking about
>> this for months, and with monsoons in AZ, I need fenders *now*. I am
>> open to anything silver, not made in China, and safe.
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[RBW] Re: Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

[Kellie]

Here's a much more packable drip coffee maker. This photo from Ocean Air 
Cycles, where you can purchase it from. The cone totally collapses; becomes 
flat, and it weighs next to nothing. I also use a Clever Coffee maker (2nd 
photo), looks much like yours but it's more like a french press where you 
let the water steep and when you* put it on top of your cup* it pours out. 
Order from Sweet Maria's in Oakland. Both use filters, easier to clean than 
an Aeropress.









On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 8:14:37 AM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> I know a lot of people here have a lightweight coffee brewing system they 
> carry on their bikes and I just discovered a product that is extremely 
> light, relatively cheap and makes a good cup of coffee with no skill 
> needed.  
>
> The product is the brew basket from the Technivorm Moccamaster Cup One 
> brewer.  This brewer is designed to run 10oz of water thru 18-20 grams of 
> coffee at an optimum extraction time.  The brew basket is durable plastic, 
> weighs less than 1/3 of what an Aeropress weighs and has a built in rim 
> that will sit on the top of a wide coffee cup.  It's designed for #1 
> filters but I found that #4 filters work fine.  The brew basket is 
> available from Technivorm for $15.  
>
> The brew method is simple:
>
> 1)  Put filter in brew basket, grind coffee, add coffee to brew basket, 
> set brew basket on top of cup.
> 2)  Heat water and pour 330ml or 10 oz of water (If you measure it once 
> while at home, it's easy to approximate without measuring) into brew 
> basket.  Stir
> 3)  Wait for coffee to drain into cup.  Takes about 4 minutes.  
>
> It's essentially a cheap, lightweight, low-attention pour over.   
>
> The brew basket:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> In action:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Feeler: 56cm Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis

[Doug Bloch]

What a treasure. Sorry to hear about your miniscus z
Where is this bike located?

Doug
Alameda CA USA

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[RBW] Possibly FS: 1986 Pinnarello Montello

[Davey Two Shoes]

Is it Santosh? 

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[RBW] Re: Let's Talk Fenders...

[J Imler]

Per Riv website - The P50 is perfect for the Sam Hillborne, the Cheviot, and 
the A Homer Hilsen.

Based on my experience with the B65, I think that they (B65) would be overkill 
on the Chev. I think the P 50 is right and once customized to fit (modest 
cutting for brake clearance about the forks) you could run 50 mm tires which I 
think is close to max width on the Chev. 

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Bars: Drop or Moustache?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

New bike for moustache bar. Stop.

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 11:03:23 AM UTC-4, Kellie wrote:
>
> Choco.Stop.
>
> On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 6:02:18 AM UTC-7, ADH wrote:
>>
>> I have been riding my Atlantis with drop bars since I bought it almost 10 
>> years ago. I ride with my hands either up against the brake hoods or on the 
>> flat near the stem when I want to be more upright and almost never drop 
>> down any more. I was all set to switch to a moustache bar when I realized 
>> that the shape might require me to stretch forward more. Do those of you 
>> who ride with moustache bars tend to keep your hands outboard near the bar 
>> end shifters or more inboard near the brake levers? Thanks
>>
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[RBW] Re: Richmond/El Cerrito RBW owners, hi!

[Corwin]

Hi Dave -

I'm only partly in El Cerrito (my house straddles the city and county line 
at the south end), but have been here off and on for twenty years. I am 
familiar with lots of rides in the area and would like to get together. 
Unfortunately, I have precious little time - but that should not stop you 
from trying to ride with me.

I have seen posts from others in the area over the years - but not many in 
the recent past (with the exception of Bill Lindsay).

Hope to get in some rides with you.

Namaste,



Corwin

On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 10:11:03 AM UTC-7, Dave wrote:
>
> Hey now, 
>
> Just moved over to the Richmond Annex from N. Berkeley and know there's at 
> least one bill lindsay over this-a-wayare there others? Would love to 
> learn of some fun rides on this side of that Albany hill
>
> Saw a fun looking Rosco Bubbe on san pablo recently
>
> Dave
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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

[John]

Hi, 
   I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but when I set my saddle back, 
like way back on the Nitto lugged seat post, I have to measure my saddle 
height from BB to where my sit bones go, not parallel to the seat post 
tube, thus lowering the saddle more in relation to the ground. 

Also, I have to adjust my saddle further if I make changes in shoe & 
pedal thicknesses.

The (PBH x 0.883 = saddle height) & (PBH - 10-11cm = saddle height) 
equations have always worked for me as a good place to start. My wife has a 
73cm PBH and starting with these formulas as a place to work from has 
worked out for her too.

John

 
On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 4:20:50 PM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> I'm curious how many here find that Grant's "rule" about saddle height 
> being 10-11cm lower than PBH to be true for them. My PBH is 86cm and for 
> the longest time, ran my saddle at 75cm from the center of the cranks. 
> Lately, I switched from clipless pedals to flats, and now that the weather 
> is warm, I have been riding in Bedrock Sandals. Because the soles are so 
> thin, I had to lower my saddle a bit. I've also been dealing with some knee 
> pain and came across these articles: 
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/02/seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be/
>  and 
>
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/addendum-to-seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be-2/.
>  
> I think a lot of what he says is going on for me: knee and back pain, 
> tilted hips, pedaling toes-down, etc. I went for a ride this morning and 
> stopped to lower my saddle a few times. No new knee pain (same as before), 
> and now I feel like I can pedal with a more level foot. My legs are still 
> pretty far extended at the bottom of the stroke, and I can't reach them at 
> the bottom with my heels (another possibly flawed guide for setting saddle 
> height). When I got home I measured the saddle height at 73cm. I know the 
> Bedrock sandals are thin, but I doubt they're 2cm thinner than my clipless 
> pedals and shoe combo. Maybe the additional sole flex makes them 
> effectively even thinner? 
>
> Chris
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

BTW, I'm particularly interested in knowing if those Holdfasts retain
better than slightly tightened straps, for the (climbing" reason mentioned.

Do Power Grips hold your non-slotted-cleat shoe in place better than just
slightly tight straps?

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks, Chris. I will indeed try retentionless, if I do get the Gripsters
> or the VO Sabot (which takes clips and straps). But I so often pull rather
> strongly upward or backward when climbing that in fact, rather than either
> of these, I may simply go back to SPDs.
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:30 AM, christian poppell 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>>
>> Have you tried just using flat pedals without straps? I use them on my
>> multi speed and fixed gear and have not had a problem with my feet flying
>> off. On the fixed gear, which sees a lot of offroad, slow cadence hill
>> climbing, I am able to pull on the upstroke by pointing my toe downward
>> (also works in flip flops). A differet technique but it does work.
>>
>> Christian
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Chris. I will indeed try retentionless, if I do get the Gripsters
or the VO Sabot (which takes clips and straps). But I so often pull rather
strongly upward or backward when climbing that in fact, rather than either
of these, I may simply go back to SPDs.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:30 AM, christian poppell 
wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> Have you tried just using flat pedals without straps? I use them on my
> multi speed and fixed gear and have not had a problem with my feet flying
> off. On the fixed gear, which sees a lot of offroad, slow cadence hill
> climbing, I am able to pull on the upstroke by pointing my toe downward
> (also works in flip flops). A differet technique but it does work.
>
> Christian
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[RBW] Re: Let's Talk Fenders...

[Kiley DeMond]

OK, I think I am going to go with the SKS B65, paint the inside stripes, 
and cut it Will-style. I am looking all over for the picture of the 
Will-fix — link, anyone? Rivet a tab through the front section that holds 
up the front instead of tie wraps. 

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 8:45:14 AM UTC-7, Kiley DeMond wrote:
>
> When I got my 60cm Cheviot, I ordered the SKS P50 fenders. I hear they 
> 'fit' even if the front has to be cut and attached to either side of the 
> front brake because with Schwalbe 50cm tires leave precious little 
> clearance, but I could not get them to fit and sold them. I suspect part of 
> it was because I really didn't care for them, and I didn't really care for 
> the idea of cutting them. (I bought smaller front tires (47s, then 42s), 
> but have gone back to the original Big Bens.) I did not like the clear 
> stripes which look black when on. I want all silver. I thought I might try 
> the P65s, but I think I will have the same issues.
>
> So, I am throwing the door open for options. I have been thinking about 
> this for months, and with monsoons in AZ, I need fenders *now*. I am open 
> to anything silver, not made in China, and safe. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's Talk Fenders...

[Kiley DeMond]

I think I will do this with the B65s. And my handy beau who will fabricate 
a metal tab for the front attachment.

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 12:26:43 PM UTC-7, J Imler wrote:
>
> I cut the B 65's using a dremel tool to fit my JA. With a steady hand you 
> can make a custom fit for max tire width. You might want to reconsider 
> doing so on the Chev with the 50's. Maybe there's a local dealer or lbs 
> that could help. 

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[RBW] Re: Let's Talk Fenders...

[Kiley DeMond]

I live in a part of Arizona that has seasons and rain (even snow). We had 
over an 1" yesterday. And when it dries, it is dry, which creates dust. So 
yes, permanent fenders will be great. 

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Are you sure you need big permanent fenders? You're trying to fit them 
> between fat tires and road brakes in Arizona, which seems more trouble than 
> it's worth to me. PDW makes these clip-on thingys. 
>
> https://ridepdw.com/collections/fenders/products/sodapop-fenders
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[RBW] Let's Talk Fenders...

[J Imler]

I cut the B 65's using a dremel tool to fit my JA. With a steady hand you can 
make a custom fit for max tire width. You might want to reconsider doing so on 
the Chev with the 50's. Maybe there's a local dealer or lbs that could help. 

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[RBW] Re: Let's Talk Fenders...

[Joe Bernard]

Are you sure you need big permanent fenders? You're trying to fit them between 
fat tires and road brakes in Arizona, which seems more trouble than it's worth 
to me. PDW makes these clip-on thingys. 

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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Patrick
I've done Waldo Canyon..Gold camp,11 mile canyon.
Jon

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 7:54:37 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Jon,
>
> We don't have many rails-to-trails here in Colorado, but we have a lot of 
> rails to roads, and they are amazing roads to ride! Phantom Canyon, Borious 
> Pass, 11 Mile Canyon, Marshall Pass, Gold Camp Road, among many others 
> deeper into the hills. Long, gradual, curving climbs, typically dirt, 
> tunnels, trellis bridges and stunning scenery. Is Waterton Canyon near you 
> one of them, at the start of the Colorado Trail?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 9:02:35 AM UTC-6, Jon Dukeman,central 
> Colorado wrote:
>>
>>
>> Erl,
>> Thanks for sharing your trip photos and stories.
>> I grew up in Ohio and just love those old buildings and beautiful 
>> scenery. We don't have all those Rails- to- Trails out here.
>> Your Cheviot looks amazing.
>> Jon
>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

[Jonathan D.]

I don't like the paper filters. This metal filter is my go to on a daily basis 
and from a local company. https://ablebrewing.com/products/kone-coffee-filter

For this method you need the right grind and Por technique but it tastes great. 
Otherwise for light travel, i.e. Backpacking, hard to be beat Starbucks 
instant. 

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[RBW] Re: Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm kind of with you on that and French Press is my favorite method.  This 
is a nice compromise except I'm actually using this basket on my full size 
technivorm as a fully automatic drip, rather than as a manual pour over. 
 Couldn't be simpler.  The portable idea just occurred to me the first time 
I used this basket.  


On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 12:21:38 PM UTC-5, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> I really like bold coffee, and I find that coffee made with this sort of 
> system comes out a bit "thin." Best thing I've found is the aeropress, 
> which allows you to control the brew time and make anything from "espresso" 
> to a full cup of coffee. If you're getting the taste you want, though, then 
> there's probably nothing simpler, easier, and more cost effective than what 
> you're doing.
>
> Jay
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[christian poppell]

Hi Patrick,

Have you tried just using flat pedals without straps? I use them on my multi 
speed and fixed gear and have not had a problem with my feet flying off. On the 
fixed gear, which sees a lot of offroad, slow cadence hill climbing, I am able 
to pull on the upstroke by pointing my toe downward (also works in flip flops). 
A differet technique but it does work. 

Christian

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[RBW] Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

[Jay Connolly]

I really like bold coffee, and I find that coffee made with this sort of system 
comes out a bit "thin." Best thing I've found is the aeropress, which allows 
you to control the brew time and make anything from "espresso" to a full cup of 
coffee. If you're getting the taste you want, though, then there's probably 
nothing simpler, easier, and more cost effective than what you're doing.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Clem H with drop bars?

[Irreguleur]

If you find the time, I'd love to see some photos of the setup.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

[Mitch Harris]

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 3:12:47 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Patrick Moore implied that duct tape was employed to attach Daves feet to 
> the pedals during the Little 500 at the end of Breaking Away. 
>
> Without checking , I will wager the cost of a pair of HoldFast straps that 
> it was not duct tape, but masking tape.  
>
> Bill Pedal Pedant Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
>

This will require a re-viewing. My memory is it's white athletic trainers 
tape, the kind commonly found in a stadium for taping ankles and vaulting 
poles.

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[RBW] Re: Feeler: 56cm Toyo-built Rivendell Atlantis

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Don't sell it for any reason. A Toyo is a treasure!

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 6:53:21 PM UTC-7, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Long story short - meniscus/knee injury and a move to a smaller place and 
> the fact that I don't do any loaded touring means I am more motivated to 
> sell off bikes than usual. If I can sell my fat bike, my Bob Jackson single 
> speed the Rivendell is also on the chopping block.
>
> Long story shorter - I can commute by bike currently but riding for 
> fitness is not fun. Riding to explore is not fun. All else has to go.
>
>
> It's a 56cm Toyo build Rivendell. It's in pretty good shape with a few 
> knicks here and there. Lots of relatively new parts.
>
> Nitto Compass Maes Bars
> Nitto 90mm Stem
> Dura-Ace bar end shifters
> Black Newbaums w/ shellac
> Shimano R400 Brake levers
> Tektro CR720 Calipers w/ ceramic pads
> Mavic Crossmax UST Ceramic (tubeless ready!)
> TA Zephyr Triple
> Thomson zero-offset elite seatpost (silver)
> Shimano Ultegra front derailleur
> Shimano Deore XT rear derailleur
>
> No seat.
>
> This bike weighs 24.x lbs.
>
> $1800 is what would take it. Price is shipped. 
> A bit outdated photos (bars and levers are different than this, and 
> wrapped and there are bar ends)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/14767344@N07/34371942264/in/dateposted-public/
>
> I'm frustrated but I can lift weight without pain, and that's good for me 
> right now.
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's Talk Fenders...

[Ian A]

Velo Orange have a wide 700c fender, if it fits the frame/fork? Don't know 
where they are 
made. https://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-fluted-63mm-fenders-700c.html

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:45:14 AM UTC-6, Kiley DeMond wrote:
>
> When I got my 60cm Cheviot, I ordered the SKS P50 fenders. I hear they 
> 'fit' even if the front has to be cut and attached to either side of the 
> front brake because with Schwalbe 50cm tires leave precious little 
> clearance, but I could not get them to fit and sold them. I suspect part of 
> it was because I really didn't care for them, and I didn't really care for 
> the idea of cutting them. (I bought smaller front tires (47s, then 42s), 
> but have gone back to the original Big Bens.) I did not like the clear 
> stripes which look black when on. I want all silver. I thought I might try 
> the P65s, but I think I will have the same issues.
>
> So, I am throwing the door open for options. I have been thinking about 
> this for months, and with monsoons in AZ, I need fenders *now*. I am open 
> to anything silver, not made in China, and safe. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks Dave!  I am looking forward to looking over the links you sent. 
 After talking with some people, I am sure, well, fairly sure anyway, I can 
find some truly interesting rides from here in Galesburg, especially when I 
throw in Amtrak for multimodal adventures.  The basic outline of a plan is 
to take Amtrak (with bike) from Galesburg to Kansas City, then ride the 
Katy Trail back to near St. Louis.  From there, someone was telling me 
about the roads and trails that comprise the Mississippi River Trail and I 
am betting there are other options as well.

I rented a car on Friday and did something of a driving tour of eastern 
Iowa and, well ok, bike shops... (Burlington, Iowa City, Cedar Falls).  At 
most of the stops, especially Bickel's in Burlington, I picked up maps and 
notes for different trails and routes so I have much to study.  I am hoping 
to put together at least a few rides  that can be done in a reasonable 
time, practice I am thinking for longer adventures.

Anyway, I will definitely post notes and pictures of anything I figure out. 
 Thanks again for the links!

Bob

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 8:14:49 AM UTC-5, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> Bob,
> It looks like you live pretty close to the Rock Island trail from Toulon 
> to Peoria. If you go a bit further north it looks like you can ride across 
> the entire state from Moline to Chicago starting on the Hennepin and 
> Illinois-Michigan Canal systems.  If you look for bike shops near trails 
> they will often offer shuttle services if you only want to ride one way. 
> The reports below mentions Amtrack service. Start researching and planning 
> and report back with your pictures from the trip!
>
> http://www.illinoistocht.com/bicycling-the-hennepin-and-im.html
> http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/hennepin-canal-trail
>
> -Dave J
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

[Christopher Cote]

Thanks for the input everyone. Seems like the 10cm delta holds for a lot of 
folks, but they're riding with "normal" shoes and pedals. For those of you 
in that camp, are you also able to reach the pedals in the down position 
with your heels? Just curious.

Chris "just a number"

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[RBW] Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

[Nash Taylor]

Yeah, those work great!

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[RBW] Let's Talk Fenders...

[Kiley DeMond]

When I got my 60cm Cheviot, I ordered the SKS P50 fenders. I hear they 
'fit' even if the front has to be cut and attached to either side of the 
front brake because with Schwalbe 50cm tires leave precious little 
clearance, but I could not get them to fit and sold them. I suspect part of 
it was because I really didn't care for them, and I didn't really care for 
the idea of cutting them. (I bought smaller front tires (47s, then 42s), 
but have gone back to the original Big Bens.) I did not like the clear 
stripes which look black when on. I want all silver. I thought I might try 
the P65s, but I think I will have the same issues.

So, I am throwing the door open for options. I have been thinking about 
this for months, and with monsoons in AZ, I need fenders *now*. I am open 
to anything silver, not made in China, and safe. 

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[RBW] Re: Dog trailer for bikes - any experience or recommendations?

[Kiley DeMond]

I had the Solvit. They are very nice and come in two sizes (you will need 
the large probably). Like bike frames, they come in aluminum and steel, and 
yes; one is heavier and sturdier. I bought it off CL when I was in Michigan 
and sold it there too.

On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 8:26:12 AM UTC-7, gordo wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> We just adopted the sweetest rescue dog and I am trying to figure out a 
> way to transport him to work with me via bike.  He's a 50 lb shepherd mutt 
> who does not spook easily - hopefully he will learn to enjoy traveling by 
> trailer.
>
> Any recommendations for models to consider or avoid?
>
> Riv content: I will be attaching the trailer to my Toyo-built Atlantis 
> that is currently in commuter mode with MAP/Ahearne bars.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric 
> SF, CA
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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

[Kiley DeMond]

Hmmm, I have read most if not all GP wrote, and while message is received, 
numbers rarely stick. So, I got out my tape measure: with a PBH of 91, and 
Keen bike sandals with a sole of 1.9, my saddle height is 67 cm to center 
of crank. I don't think it is the numbers (36", .75", 26.5"), so, I am not 
sure why my numbers seem out of whack. My bike is 60cm Cheviot, saddle is a 
Rivet Loveland, and pedals are Grand Cru Sabots. Perhaps it is because I 
have a 175cm crank instead of the usual 172 (an idea I got from GP for a 
leg length/arm length ratio issue). 

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 4:20:50 PM UTC-7, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> I'm curious how many here find that Grant's "rule" about saddle height 
> being 10-11cm lower than PBH to be true for them. My PBH is 86cm and for 
> the longest time, ran my saddle at 75cm from the center of the cranks. 
> Lately, I switched from clipless pedals to flats, and now that the weather 
> is warm, I have been riding in Bedrock Sandals. Because the soles are so 
> thin, I had to lower my saddle a bit. I've also been dealing with some knee 
> pain and came across these articles: 
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/blog/2011/02/seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be/
>  and 
>
> https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/05/addendum-to-seat-height-how-hard-can-it-be-2/.
>  
> I think a lot of what he says is going on for me: knee and back pain, 
> tilted hips, pedaling toes-down, etc. I went for a ride this morning and 
> stopped to lower my saddle a few times. No new knee pain (same as before), 
> and now I feel like I can pedal with a more level foot. My legs are still 
> pretty far extended at the bottom of the stroke, and I can't reach them at 
> the bottom with my heels (another possibly flawed guide for setting saddle 
> height). When I got home I measured the saddle height at 73cm. I know the 
> Bedrock sandals are thin, but I doubt they're 2cm thinner than my clipless 
> pedals and shoe combo. Maybe the additional sole flex makes them 
> effectively even thinner? 
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Possible alternate brew method for those coffee on the go riders.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I know a lot of people here have a lightweight coffee brewing system they 
carry on their bikes and I just discovered a product that is extremely 
light, relatively cheap and makes a good cup of coffee with no skill 
needed.  

The product is the brew basket from the Technivorm Moccamaster Cup One 
brewer.  This brewer is designed to run 10oz of water thru 18-20 grams of 
coffee at an optimum extraction time.  The brew basket is durable plastic, 
weighs less than 1/3 of what an Aeropress weighs and has a built in rim 
that will sit on the top of a wide coffee cup.  It's designed for #1 
filters but I found that #4 filters work fine.  The brew basket is 
available from Technivorm for $15.  

The brew method is simple:

1)  Put filter in brew basket, grind coffee, add coffee to brew basket, set 
brew basket on top of cup.
2)  Heat water and pour 330ml or 10 oz of water (If you measure it once 
while at home, it's easy to approximate without measuring) into brew 
basket.  Stir
3)  Wait for coffee to drain into cup.  Takes about 4 minutes.  

It's essentially a cheap, lightweight, low-attention pour over.   

The brew basket:





In action:






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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Jon Dukeman]

Wow.  Galion...about 15 miles apart

On Jul 30, 2017 8:47 AM, "WETH"  wrote:

Mansfield...about halfway between Columbus and Cleveland if traveling on
I71. You?

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Bars: Drop or Moustache?

[Kellie]

Choco.Stop.

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 6:02:18 AM UTC-7, ADH wrote:
>
> I have been riding my Atlantis with drop bars since I bought it almost 10 
> years ago. I ride with my hands either up against the brake hoods or on the 
> flat near the stem when I want to be more upright and almost never drop 
> down any more. I was all set to switch to a moustache bar when I realized 
> that the shape might require me to stretch forward more. Do those of you 
> who ride with moustache bars tend to keep your hands outboard near the bar 
> end shifters or more inboard near the brake levers? Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[WETH]

Mansfield...about halfway between Columbus and Cleveland if traveling on I71. 
You?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Jon Dukeman]

Wow! Small world... Where in Ohio?
Jon

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> Jon,
> Thanks.  I'm an Ohio native, too, and agree with you on the old buildings.
> All the best,
> Erl
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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[WETH]

Jon,
Thanks.  I'm an Ohio native, too, and agree with you on the old buildings.
All the best,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[WETH]

Dear Andy,
Thanks. The Cheviot is a favorite and a keeper.  It is perfect for a tour of 
this type.  

Yes, someone (PNC?)had trail entrance blocked,  so we backtracked and worked 
our way around the building/block and entered by the bike store.  It was smooth 
sailing from there!  At the time, the blocked trail seemed inauspicious.  In 
hindsight just a small hiccup!   

Trailside in West Newton is a favorite.  Connellsville is the one trail town I 
have not explored much.  I will make exploring it more a goal on my next trip. 

All the best,
Erl
Kensington, MD

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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Deacon Patrick]

Jon,

We don't have many rails-to-trails here in Colorado, but we have a lot of 
rails to roads, and they are amazing roads to ride! Phantom Canyon, Borious 
Pass, 11 Mile Canyon, Marshall Pass, Gold Camp Road, among many others 
deeper into the hills. Long, gradual, curving climbs, typically dirt, 
tunnels, trellis bridges and stunning scenery. Is Waterton Canyon near you 
one of them, at the start of the Colorado Trail?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 9:02:35 AM UTC-6, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
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>
> Erl,
> Thanks for sharing your trip photos and stories.
> I grew up in Ohio and just love those old buildings and beautiful scenery. 
> We don't have all those Rails- to- Trails out here.
> Your Cheviot looks amazing.
> Jon
>
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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Dave Johnston]

Bob,
It looks like you live pretty close to the Rock Island trail from Toulon to 
Peoria. If you go a bit further north it looks like you can ride across the 
entire state from Moline to Chicago starting on the Hennepin and 
Illinois-Michigan Canal systems.  If you look for bike shops near trails 
they will often offer shuttle services if you only want to ride one way. 
The reports below mentions Amtrack service. Start researching and planning 
and report back with your pictures from the trip!

http://www.illinoistocht.com/bicycling-the-hennepin-and-im.html
http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/hennepin-canal-trail

-Dave J

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 9:53:18 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
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> Thanks for the write-up, the pictures and for doing that!  It looked 
> perfect to me, the kind of ride and adventure that calls to me and probably 
> calls out to just about anyone.  How could it not?  I do not live by good 
> trails like that, at least not that I know of or know to be accessible (car 
> free accessible anyway), but I do live in a town with good Amtrak service. 
>  I think an adventure, something very much like yours, just has to happen 
> for me soon, certainly this year.
>
> Thanks for posting this!  Excellent ride, great adventure, true 
> friendship...
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL  
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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[ascpgh]

Love the report and the bike! My fortunate chance that I can ride that 
trail from my front door. Apologies, locally, for the bad signage and way 
from Point State Park to the First Avenue and Grant Street beginning of the 
trail, locally known as the Jail Trail. PNC may have even had the entry 
blocked while they resurface the part around their building on that corner. 
The new structure to keep riders out of traffic detailed here: 
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2017/04/22/Switchback-Smithfield-Street-Bridge-trail-connection-Point-State-Park/stories/201704210221

A couple favorites from my July trip in the rain:
West Newton Lunch at Trailside:




Arriving at Connellsville:



I always stop and buy Gatorade from the bike shop on the trail, just across 
therein drag in Connersville. She loves to chat with riders and can let you 
know who's ahead of you. 


Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh




On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 7:21:13 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote:
>
> Ride report/ first tour on Cheviot
>
> After commuting 1500 miles since October on my 60cm Cheviot, I figured it 
> was past time to undertake a tour with it.  My ride report on the credit 
> card tour is here:
> https://lightofferings.wordpress.com/2017/07/23/gap-trail-july-2017/
>
> The Cheviot of course lived up to my expectations.  Loaded with a large 
> Saddlesack on the rear and a basket with a Shopsack on the front, it was 
> steady, quick when needed, and comfortable.  My daily commute is 8 miles 
> each way with stops about every 2 miles for traffic lights.  I did need to 
> tweak handlebar height and angle so I was comfortable for longer distances 
> without a break.  I circumvented the single set of bottle mounts on the 
> Cheviot by carrying a bottle in the front basket and one in the Saddlesack, 
> a workable solution.  The Shopsack held my clothes and toiletries, and the 
> Saddlesack housed tools, snacks, extra sandals, raincoat, and 1st aid kit, 
> with plenty of room to add a tent and sleeping bag for when I camp.  I look 
> forward to more touring on this great bike!
>
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