Re: [RBW] Re: stopping and rim brakes

[Lum Gim Fong]

Sidepulls are easiest for me too. Thanks for the comparison to the Compass 
brakes. I love my Tektro R559 brakes. R539 are awesome, too.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[EasyRider]

I see thought behind Crust designs. A (relatively) low q-factor fat bike? An 
aftermarket cargo fork  for 1" threaded steerers? These are unique, interesting 
products. 

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Re: [RBW] Model(s) going away

[James Warren]

I remember when the Saluki was in the works, they said it would be for “650B 
and centerpulls” which seemed so badass at the time.

The Silver brake (AKA Tektro R559) still didn’t exist yet, so it was presumed 
that the centerbolt sidepull models would be set up with centerpulls. A year or 
two down the road, the Silver brake got made right around when AHH was being 
designed, and that was a pretty big game-changer.

Thanks for the info on the brake post fact, Joe.

-Jim W


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> On Jun 15, 2018, at 9:16 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Nope. That was around the time Riv first started promoting centerpulls, but 
> they always sold the Paul Racer with the center bolt. 
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Re: [RBW] Model(s) going away

[Joe Bernard]

Nope. That was around the time Riv first started promoting centerpulls, but 
they always sold the Paul Racer with the center bolt. 

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Re: [RBW] Model(s) going away

[James Warren]

Funny enough, the Salukis did come in either sidepull version or cantilever 
version, the main distinguishing feature of MIT Hilsens versus Hillbornes.

I found an online image of a Saluki with sidepull Silver brakes, but I have a 
question out of curiosity: were any Salukis made with dedicated posts on the 
frame for centerpulls?

-Jim W.

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> On Jun 15, 2018, at 7:58 PM, Drw  wrote:
> 
> I know. 
> 
> 
> BUT, it could be as simple a decal and headbadge swap
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[RBW] Model(s) going away

[Drw]

I know. 


BUT, it could be as simple a decal and headbadge swap

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[RBW] Model(s) going away

[Joe Bernard]

That would make both Country Bikes in the new catalogue obsolete. This seems an 
unlikely move. 

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[RBW] Re: Notes on a new Sam Hillborne, Albastache handlebars, and on being "fast enough"

[Tim Bantham]

Your story is very similar to my story. When I first started riding as an 
adult I was influenced by racing. I emulated what I saw on TV and pretty 
soon began the slippery slope of racing, group rides and always trying to 
beat the guy in the pack or be the person who doesn't get dropped. After 
seeing the light and buying a Rivendell my first bike was a drop bar Sam 
because that was the closest to my previously owned carbon fiber racing 
bike. After riding that the first year I never really felt as comfortable 
as I thought I should so I eventually went to upright bars with the 
Albatross bars. This was a big improvement and I eventually added racks and 
bags to my Sam and started to do some overnight camping trips with it. 
After that I decided that I wanted a full blown touring bike so I bought an 
Appaloosa frame. All the parts from the Sam went to the Joe. 

Once I decided that I'd like to reinvent the Sam I had been enamored with 
some of the drop bar "rando" bikes that I saw on the internet. I added 
metal fenders and I once again had a drop bar Sam. Now I have reached the 
conclusion that drop bars are just not for me anymore and my ego is finally 
allowing myself to let go of them. A friend has loaned me the Albastache 
bars and dirt drop stem so I am now building up the fourth version of my 
Sam with Albastache bars. I have it set up with 40mm Clement MSO's without 
fenders. It has a front rack and Wald basket but I am trying to keep it to 
a minimum since the Joe does most of my heavy lifting. The Appaloosa is 
great but I am really excited about my latest version of the Sam. I too am 
no longer concerned with how fast I go. I just want to ride a good, 
reliable, practical bike. This is the essence of the Sam Hillborne. I'll 
post photos once I get passed the experimental stage with the new bars. 

On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 5:34:44 PM UTC-4, Jonathan K. wrote:
>
> I just became a Rivendell owner last fall when I bought a new Appaloosa. I 
> was so impressed with that bike, and loved riding it so much, that I wanted 
> to replicate that super comfortable, smooth ride on my long-distance road 
> bike. I wanted to try a more road-ish Riv, and when the pre-sale for the 
> new canti-Sams opened up, I couldn't resist. I had intended Sam to be a 
> straight up replacement for my current drop bar road bike that I really do 
> like, but that I had struggled to get comfortable on. Sam had other ideas, 
> though...
>
>
> I first built it with 44cm Noodles that I had on hand, but even with the 
> Riv-recommended 8cm stem (that I worried would be too short), I felt way 
> too stretched out and uncomfortable. The first few rides I took on this 
> setup were not fun. I thought the bike handled weird - the front end felt 
> sort of squirrely. To be honest, I was pretty disappointed. After a quick 
> mock up with some old Nitto moustache bars I had, I decided to order a set 
> of Albastache bars from Riv. 
>
> Sam Hillborne with Albastache bars is the most comfortable, fun bike I 
> have ever ridden. (Right next to my Appaloosa, of course.) I love the more 
> upright position, the sweep, the angles, the width, everything. The curves 
> are great to sit and grind out the miles, but the ends offer a very 
> comfortable upright position to alternate with as well. I was nervous that 
> my enthusiasm would be squashed once the rides got longer, but I've done 
> enough long rides in the last few weeks to be confident that these are the 
> bars for this bike. I have no desire to go back to drops. These bars 
> changed the bike, and my whole outlook on bikes in general. I realize that 
> I don't have to have drop bars to ride long distances, or to be a "serious" 
> cyclist (whatever that means). This is such a big deal to me, because my 
> biggest struggle since I started riding has been fit/comfort on longer 
> rides. 
>
> This bike was originally intended to be just another road bike. I feel 
> like what I have is so much more. At first I was worried, because I was not 
> as fast on the Sam as my lighter drop bar bike, but who cares? Now, I only 
> want to ride the Hillborne. When I ride this bike, I find myself not caring 
> how fast I'm going, or about anything except enjoying the ride. When I'm on 
> it, I just want to keep going. I can't think of a better compliment for a 
> bike. This bike (and these bars) have completed my transformation to 
> unracer.
>
> I realize after re-reading the above that it might sound like I am saying 
> Sam Hillborne is a slow bike. It is not. The Sam that I built, with heavier 
> touring style wheels, and upright-ish bars is definitely not as fast as my 
> more traditional stripped down drop bar road bike, but it's a heck of a lot 
> more comfortable, useful, and fun. How fast is Sam Hillborne? My answer 
> after putting a few hundred miles on it: Fast enough.
>
>
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1. But it will have to be a Roadeo-followup.


One of the most remarkable records Beryl held was for the women’s 12 hour
time trial. This she achieved in 1967 when she recorded 277.25 miles.This
record still stands today despite massive improvements in equipment,
nutrition and training methods. What was even more remarkable, the men’s
record was set in the same event, the Otley CC 12, by the Yorkshireman Mike
McNamara, the then king of men’s time trialling. But he ‘only’
managed 276.8 miles. Beryl started 1 minute behind Mike (in time trials
competitors set off at fixed intervals and have to ride alone and
unassisted – what the French call ‘the race of truth’) but 10 hours into
the race she caught him up. As she rode past him she offered him a
liquorice allsort  Apparently he said ‘ta love’  and promptly ate it as she
swept by. What further rubbed salt into the wound was the fact that Beryl
worked full-time (variously on a beetroot farm and as a rhubarb picker) and
only trained evenings and weekends whereas McNamara was virtually a full
time racing cyclist

But hardly "just ride."

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 5:24 PM, Scott Calhoun 
wrote:

> ...  Or Beryl Burton.
>

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[RBW] Model(s) going away

[Drw]

I say get rid of the AHH and Sam and bring back the Saluki. All functionally 
equivalent, but the newluki could embody both more concisely and get the best 
riv headbadge back in circulation. 

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[Bob K.]

Tom,

I ride very rocky, rutted, rooty, and washed out trails here in MD with a good 
bit of elevation change—generally 100 feet of gain per mile on average, and 
often more. My steed is a non-suspension-corrected Surly Troll with 26x3.0 
tires. I love the ride and handling to and from the trails, and I never feel 
limited on the trails themselves.

I’ve ridden a very expensive full suspension Santa Cruz on the same trails, and 
while it was definitely fun, I don’t like the bounce and give of a suspension 
fork.

In terms of design, like someone already said, a suspension-corrected front end 
requires a shorter headtube—and I’m guessing a different headtube angle—and 
these things change the ride and comfort of a bike, as well as the handling.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[Deacon Patrick]

Hey Tom! Exactly! I agree wholeheartedly and highly suspect we could ride the 
same ride and have a great time together. There is a fairly large swath of 
middle ground where some may like the squish and others not. Which was my 
point, responding to “if your riding requires suspension.” Grin. Equally, there 
is no need to justify suspension in whatever form when rocks, roots, and slopes 
are involved. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[tc]

Patrick!  Gosh, poor guy.  I fully expect to see you in your armor in your 
next travelogue!

Your comment is a great one, since it speaks to what I think is another 
possible misunderstanding of why anyone would choose to ride a squish 
forked bike.  It's not always about being a daredevil.  Sometimes its about 
being able to ride at a fun (not stoopid) pace, over rooty, rocky, rutted 
paths, without shaking your teeth or bones loose.  There is a middle ground 
of speed for the fun of it, but not balls-to-the-wall crazy speed.  And it 
does depend on terrain.  There's also the enjoyment - *after* a lengthy 
singletrack ride - of not feeling like you've been body slammed all day.  I 
know the difference because I've felt it.  I'm in great shape, and I know 
how to use my body to absorb shock.  A measly 80-100mm sus fork simply 
takes the edge off where I ride, given how I like to ride.  

But I've digressed into what I didn't want this discussion to be 
(justification).  I was looking for more of the design points and different 
ride qualities that others have experienced who've had bikes with 
sus-corrected bikes and used them in both modes.  The only experience I've 
had is with an Ogre I used to have, as well as a Karate Monkey.  I liked 
both in both modes (the Ogre better), but for other reasons got rid of 
them...in one case to get my first Riv.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Eric Floden]

Likely not a realistic choice (a living person and all), but l would like
Rachel Robinson's name on something of quality and elegance...

EricF
Vancouver

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Scott Calhoun]

Jackie O. Lope then. Or Beryl Burton. 

On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 9:34:09 PM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> If Grant reads this: please pick a woman’s name for the MTB. Perhaps even 
> a non-WASPy woman’s name. It’s be a welcome change and I’d love to shred on 
> a Ellie Fant, Hilda Clime, Filla Gree, or Some such. 
>
> Just my two cents. 
>
> -J

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[iamkeith]

Man, I hope this doesn't come off as snotty because I definitely don't mean 
it that way but, I'm not following your logic at all.

Why would a wider-than-currently-available rim brake rim be considered 
"proprietary?!"  You realize don't you, that the ONLY reason 650b mountain 
bike wheels and tires are even available in the first place is because 
Rivendell alone wanted to make them happen?  (That's not an exaggeration.)  
 Even 700c road tires wider than 28mm are directly attributable to 
Rivendell, but now they're everywhere.

Similarly and almost as single-handedly, Rivendell has kept quality 25.4 & 
26.0 handlebars and stems relevant and available.  Likewise, multiple forms 
of improved and still-evolving rim brakes are still available ONLY because 
Rivendell willed them into existence.  

None of those things are 'proprietary' in the sense that they're the only 
one who can use them, and many other companies and consumers do.   And 
don't minimize the fashion-setting influence Rivendell still wields.  
 Trends like 'gravel grinders,"  "monster cross," "adventure bikes," and 
bike packing in general can all be traced directly back to Rivendell.  Not 
to mention ANY road bike that actually *fits*.

This argument seems to be like religion in that, for people who have bought 
into certain types of hype and who are financially invested in a new 
technology, I will never be able to convince them otherwise.   But, as 
someone who uses both, there is no question for me that canti/rim brakes 
are superior to discs in many ways.I'm not alone though.  Recall the 
original concept for the joint Compass/Rawland Ravn project?  It was 
intentionally conceived as  a rim brake bike because it would be lighter 
and allow for a superior fork construction which would, in turn, achieve a 
better ride quality.  They weren't able to pull off the construction at a 
viable price-point, but others (i.e.: Crust) have since jumped in and built 
slightly-lesser bikes around the tires and general concept.  They just took 
the 'easy' route in terms of brakes.

I have zero doubt that once Rivendell (or Compass or Surly, for that 
matter) makes a new product available, that others will either use it or 
copy it.  Even if it makes you scratch your head when you first hear of 
it.   That's been the case over and over and over  again.  (And on that 
note, plus size tires aren't going anywhere.   They're the single best gift 
to bikers since gears - especially for people who don't have time or desire 
to hassle with the complexities or cost of active suspension.)

Meanwhile, it is a foregone conclusion that most or all of that current 
technology, represented by the "nature of the bike industry right now" that 
you speak of, actually WILL become obsolete "retro standards."

Cases in point:  I had a disc brake bike that utilized the 22mm Hayes 
mounting standard, because it was the most established and promising at the 
time.   Now, the ISS mounting standard is being obsoleted by post mount 
standard.  Shimano is even doing their darnedest to kill the 6-bolt rotor 
mounting standard.   Heck, they're even trying to kill the derailleur 
hanger, for crying out loud, in favor of that 'direct-mount' thingy.   I 
have multiple, very nice bikes that require a suspension forks with 1" 
headsets, and are thus useless.   Nowadays, you can't even get a good fork 
with 1 1/8" steerer, so more of my bikes will eventually become obsolete.  
Not to mention, the length and rake dimensions of forks themselves, which 
frames need to be designed around, change almost annually according to 
consumers' travel expectation whims.   I have bikes designed around 43mm, 
65mm, 80mm, 100mm, and 120mm travel.   Nowadays, 140 & 160mm is common even 
on xc bikes.  I have mountain bikes with 126mm rear hubs, 130mm rear hubs, 
145mm rear hubs, 170mm rear hubs, 135mm symmetrical front hubs, 135mm 
asymmetrical front hubs, and every single one of them promised at one time 
to be the final state-of-the-art development, and every one of them is 
obsolete.   Even thru-axle standards are still changing.   Are we going to 
settle on 12mm or 15mm for the front?  Anyone who thinks the SRAM-driven 
"boost" width standard is anything more than a flash in the pan is deluding 
themselves.   150mm 'super-boost' rear perhaps makes enough sense to have 
staying power, but only a couple of bike companies are smart enough to 
realize it, and they're not powerful enough to make it happen.  110mm front 
spacing is equally ridiculous, especially when 142mm and SRAM's own damned 
150mm standard already existed AND achieve symmetrical spoke tension. And 
don't even get me started on bottom bracket standards, which are nowhere 
near settled yet. 

But you know what *has and will* stay relevant, available and functional 
through all of the other noise?!:   1" threaded headsets; 100mm/135mm QR 
hubs; rim brakes; and forks that don't wear out.  Perhaps I think of a 
Rivendell as a bit too 

[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[Deacon Patrick]

“If you're riding requires some sort of suspension”

Suspension in various forms is a part of all riding. Be it pnumatic tires, arms 
and elbows, flex of frame/fork, bouncy bike shocks ... whatever. However, I’d 
posit no riding requires what is refered to as “full suspension shocks” except 
downhill racing. I have do desire to downhill race.

I ride trails not for the technicality, but for their remoteness, though the 
two strongly correlate. I regularly pass sponsored bouncy bikers, and almost 
never (1-2x a year?) does one pass me ... generally on the downhill with them 
needing body armor to survive any mishap. Seriously. The other day a guy 
skewerd himself on a tree near here. His lesson to all bikers out there from 
his hospital bed after his very near death experience? “Wear your body armor!” 
Yup. That was the lesson. Sigh. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I guess it's along this same line of thinking that you could consider my 
Clem Smith, Jr. with newly installed Jones loop bars a bit of a compromise 
vs. owning one of each, haha.  I know there are several others with Jones 
bars on a Riv and now that I've finally got my hands on one it's a 
delightful combo.  Although using a quill to threadless adapter isn't the 
most visually pleasing solution with a child seat mount now clamped right 
there on the quill and an otherwise slammed stem I barely notice it any 
longer.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 4:44:37 PM UTC-4, ian m wrote:

>
> This is exactly why I went with a Jones. If you listen to his design 
> philosophy you can't help but notice the parallels with Grant/Rivendell, 
> they're like opposite sides of the same coin. Jones has been working at 
> perfecting the off road bicycle based on ride quality, bucking certain 
> industry trends when they don't positively impact how the bike rides. Long 
> and stable, upright, and a feeling of being "in" the bike, switching 
> between my Clem and Jones feels totally natural as far as fit. And the way 
> the Jones handles is incredible, with plus tires and disc brakes being 
> serious confidence boosters.
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy w/40 miles for sale

[Abcyclehank]

Ditto

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[RBW] Re: Bought a Rambouillet from CL...

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi Stasi,

Congrats on the new bike!  Although not a Ram fork If you know the 
necessary fork length/specs and the steerer length happens to be in the 
range of 238mm with 40mm of threads included, I have a Rivendell surplus 
SimpleOne fork available (238mm steerer, 384mm axle to crown, 47.5mm 
offset.)  It fits 700c with cantilever posts and has those upper mid fork 
rack mounts.  Never been ridden and only ever installed as a dry fit with 
wheel and rack but the project ultimately fell through for other reasons.  
I never formally listed for sale but previously offered this up in another 
ISO/WTT post when I was looking for other parts and had a potential buyer 
for a sale/trade that just never materialized.  Using it is still low on 
the priorty list for any other potential back-up plan rebuilds so I'd be 
willing to sell if it fits your needs and you really prefer a Riv fork for 
the Ram and can't otherwise locate an original.

It's the raw steel unpainted version so you'd need to be ok with a DIY 
finish or maybe you'd find it worth investing in a professional repaint of 
frame/fork to match?  My original project wasn't worth the cost of a 
professional repaint and fortunately I waited to rattle can it long enough 
to discover an issue with the intended frame so it remains unused and 
unfinished.

They were sold by Riv for $125 before the Rosco Bubbe project came together 
to use up the remaining forks.

I'd sell it for $100 plus shipping. Reply directly if you were at 
all interested.

Thanks, 

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 12:26:06 PM UTC-4, Stasi Chase wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We bought a well-loved Rambouillet from CL with a replaced fork - is it 
> worth it to track down an original part? (I saw one recently on eBay.) 
>
> The bike rides fine but as a non-expert, I don't know how crucial it is to 
> have an original part as opposed to a replacement.
>
> Any thoughts/ideas you can share would be helpful.
>
> Thanks!
>
> :)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[ian m]

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 2:43:48 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
>
>
>  If so, the solution for everyone who keeps insisting that they want a 
> "Rivendell" mountain bike - but only if it has disc brakes, suspension 
> corrected geometry, dropper post cable routing, etc. - already exists.  
> Jones' bikes are about as Riv inspired as you can get in terms of fit, 
> philosophy and ride quality (which is why I ride one.  Probably you, too), 
> and Stooge is about as blatant of a Jones copy as you can get, but with a 
> suspension corrected fork length.
>


This is exactly why I went with a Jones. If you listen to his design 
philosophy you can't help but notice the parallels with Grant/Rivendell, 
they're like opposite sides of the same coin. Jones has been working at 
perfecting the off road bicycle based on ride quality, bucking certain 
industry trends when they don't positively impact how the bike rides. Long 
and stable, upright, and a feeling of being "in" the bike, switching 
between my Clem and Jones feels totally natural as far as fit. And the way 
the Jones handles is incredible, with plus tires and disc brakes being 
serious confidence boosters.

I don't really understand the interest in Crust bikes. I don't see any real 
thought behind anything, just throw disc brakes on designs cribbed from 
everywhere else and add some over the top marketing?

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[RBW] Re: Nitto rear rack shortage?

[Ron Mc]

they seem to make them in batches, and I think Rivendell is one of their 
baseline customers.  

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 12:13:12 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote:
>
> Seems like everywhere is out of stock except on the 26" MT Campee. Anyone 
> have any insight on why, if they hit a production bottleneck or 
> distribution problems or something? 
>
> Anyone have one they are looking to unload?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Joe Bernard]

Masmojo: Or you could snap up one of those demos on the Specials page. If they 
had a 48 or 52 I would probably own it now. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[masmojo]

I've been wanting a Hunq. For some time & I would probably be close to pulling 
the trigger before 2019, but I am intrigued  by this latest development. 

I too would dig the idea of threadless 1 1/8" steerers,Disk brakes & even thru 
axels on my Riv; not so much because I prefer them, but because that's the 
nature of the bike world right now. 
I recently rehabbed an old Raleigh Mountain Tour & everything about it was a 
headache. Finding economical 650B rims for rim brakes was a trial & I 
eventually gave up & bought VO's. $69. Each, but I could have gotten nice disc 
brake rims for $40. :-(
If Rivendell is going to build a Plus tired mountain bike they would either 
have to have a rim made (read: proprietary) or go with a preexisting rim, most 
of which are disc specific these days. If Rivendell bucked the trends in the 
past in favor of the the tried & true, now they would be doing the opposite. 
Why create some sort of new retro standard!? 
All that said I'll most likely say "here, take my money" when this mystery bike 
comes out and deal with the eccentricities as they come.
That or buy a Crust.
Still, in the context of other things & other models, it's perplexing. I'll 
probably be in Walnut Creek the second week of August so maybe I can check out 
this mythical beast

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[RBW] Model(s) going away

[Joe Bernard]

Update from Dave: No Sams planned for '18/'19 beyond the upcoming small Sparkly 
Orange 51cm run. Could be back later, but hoo boy I better think about getting 
that 51 before I become a much older person. Orange! With sparkles!

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I'd be more surprised to see Grant/Rivendell design any suspension 
corrected frame than I would be to see a disc equipped fully rigid 
Rivendell.  Not that either are likely to happen but I think what would be 
given up is essentially everything a Rivendell bicycle represents in terms 
of handling and frame/fork being designed as a singular and cohesive unit.  
Ok, the Rosco Bubbes may have been designed around existing forks, but they 
were still designed individually and to work exclusively with each fork 
variation for a desired ride/handling.  There are too many variables and 
options for aftermarket forks and Rivendell wouldn't be able to do anything 
but design compromises around all the possibilities and doing would be a 
huge contradiction, I think.

I also agree with what Philip mentioned regarding the "misproportioned" 
appearance of suspension correct forks in general.  I have a Surly Big 
Dummy fork I bought to install on an older Rockhopper that had a stock 
short travel Manitou fork.  I used the Manitou suspension fork to rebuild 
an even older full suspension Mongoose Amplifier II with a crusty old Rock 
Shox (Quadra [something] model) that needed replacing and decided to make 
the Rockhopper rigid.  I have since blown the seals on that Manitou fork 
and the chainstay of the aluminum Amplifier eventually cracked as well.  
But back to the Big Dummy fork... with 425 axle to crown it split the 
difference between the other suspension corrected rigid fork options I was 
considering (some below 420mm and others 440+mm or 453mm) and is designed 
around 26" with canti/v-brake posts and disc tabs but is tall enough to 
actually clear a 29x2" tire with ease which actually looks much more 
proportioned between the blades... so much so that if I had a 29er QR disc 
wheel I'd have made the Rockhopper a 69er (26" in back, 29" up front) and 
removed the canti posts from the Dummy fork.  A 26x2.35" tire just looks 
tiny with all that headspace in the fork.  

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:56:05 AM UTC-4, tc wrote:

> With the exciting news about a new Riv MTB in the works, I wonder what 
> would be given up by offering it with a suspension-corrected rigid fork to 
> allow those of us who prefer some squish in front to have that option?  I 
> realize it's too late for that, but I can always hope for a "2.0" model :)
>
> And I'd like to stay away from justifying the need for me or anyone else 
> needing a suspension fork, and instead stick to the design principles 
> involved, and mostly the experience of those who've had bikes that were 
> offered with suspension corrected forks/frames and rode them with both 
> setups.  For the type of riding you do/did, did the offset/trail/whatever 
> bug you to the point that you didn't like one version or the other?  Did 
> you really appreciate the flexibility it gave you?  Did you enjoy it both 
> ways, for different purposes?
>
> Tom
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction - Doug Shaker

[Doug Shaker]

Oh, man, I remember.  I used to make leather washers for fender mounting 
(I still think it is a good idea)
and then give them away in return for a postcard from a ride. That was 
fun.  For a while my refrigerator

had a pretty healthy compliment of postcards on it.  Fun!

-Doug

On 6/12/2018 12:45 PM, George Schick wrote:
DOUG!!  Long time, no see/hear.  You made some leather mud flaps for 
my Ram's fenders w-a-a-ay back in '05 or '06 I think it was.  Good to 
see you active on the blog again!


George


On Tuesday, June 12, 2018 at 12:46:14 PM UTC-5, Doug Shaker wrote:

I'm just joining the group, so I thought it would be polite to
introduce myself.

I've been riding Rivendells since about 2003, when I realized that
I'd never bought a bike for myself and had just had them given to
me.  I bought a Rambouillet and was instantly hooked.  I still
ride that Rombouillet, but I also have a Saluki and some generic
cross bike that has been made into a cargo bike with an Xtracycle
attachment.

I used to be a regular contributor to the old RBW mailing list,
but I faded out and got interested in other things.  I build bikes
for short friends that can't find bikes that will work for them in
the commercial sphere.  And I work for a bike charilty
(www.bikex.org ) that donates fixed up bikes
to social service agencies.

I live in Palo Alto and am newly retired.  I used to run a
business that did contract technical writing.

There we have it.

-Doug Shaker

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[tc]

d2mini, I agree with your 'no replacing' statement, though in my riding 
areas, full sus would be fun but not requireda hard tail is fine.

In general, I think there is a large misunderstanding of the types of 
singletrack to be found in different parts of the U.S. (and world).  In NC, 
the trails I have access to are rooty, rocky, often rutted, often damp, 
heavily wooded, with oh-so-nice brief stints of what a lot of the Riv 
videos show.  I mean, if the test of a mountain bike's design worth is 
Repack Road, then fine, no suspension needed.  But that's a far, far cry 
from what we experience "over here".

Thus my wish for an MTB that could appeal to a wider audience by offering 
sus-corrected fork/frame.

Yes, I know I can get that somewhere else.  I've had several.  But the 
thought of a RIv-designed one, which I know would be the best, is exciting 
to me, anyway.

Tom





On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:59:17 AM UTC-4, d2mini wrote:
>
> For my mountain biking, there is no replacing my full suspension mtn bike. 
> Period.
>
> That's ok though. I have my Riv for my casual riding on roads and light 
> trails and my specialized rockhopper for taking the real abuse.
>
> In other words, don't force something to be something it's not. Let Riv be 
> Riv. 
> If you're riding requires some sort of suspension, there are so many good 
> options out there already.
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 9:56:05 AM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>>
>> With the exciting news about a new Riv MTB in the works, I wonder what 
>> would be given up by offering it with a suspension-corrected rigid fork to 
>> allow those of us who prefer some squish in front to have that option?  I 
>> realize it's too late for that, but I can always hope for a "2.0" model :)
>>
>> And I'd like to stay away from justifying the need for me or anyone else 
>> needing a suspension fork, and instead stick to the design principles 
>> involved, and mostly the experience of those who've had bikes that were 
>> offered with suspension corrected forks/frames and rode them with both 
>> setups.  For the type of riding you do/did, did the offset/trail/whatever 
>> bug you to the point that you didn't like one version or the other?  Did 
>> you really appreciate the flexibility it gave you?  Did you enjoy it both 
>> ways, for different purposes?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I wouldn't consider any cruiser/paperboy fork ever made to be comparable to 
(for example) a Hunqapillar or Bombadil fork (which I would consider "mtb" 
forks).

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:51:36 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Eamon, hmm, I understood this new bike to be a 'dedicated' mountain bike, 
> which in my experience means no need for racks and fenders.  Maybe I got 
> that wrong?
>
> Also, there are plenty of old steel "paperboy" and cruiser bikes with 
> nicely curved, very strong blades.
>
> Tom
>
> On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:25:11 AM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>> Well, for starters the headtube has to be shorter, and the fork crown 
>> ends up a million miles from the rack mounting braze ons, limiting your 
>> front rack mounting options (also making fender mounting difficult). The 
>> fork blades have to be much longer (and probably stouter), making chances 
>> for an elegant looking fork slim to none. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[tc]

Eamon, hmm, I understood this new bike to be a 'dedicated' mountain bike, 
which in my experience means no need for racks and fenders.  Maybe I got 
that wrong?

Also, there are plenty of old steel "paperboy" and cruiser bikes with 
nicely curved, very strong blades.

Tom

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:25:11 AM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> Well, for starters the headtube has to be shorter, and the fork crown ends 
> up a million miles from the rack mounting braze ons, limiting your front 
> rack mounting options (also making fender mounting difficult). The fork 
> blades have to be much longer (and probably stouter), making chances for an 
> elegant looking fork slim to none. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bought a Rambouillet from CL...

[Karl]

Congratulations on the new bike! Enjoy her!

Karl
Nashville, TN

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[iamkeith]

On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 9:04:23 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Single HHH sounds pretty fantastic... I thought the HHH was supposed to be 
> a 'double Clem' myself so maybe the new Riv Mtn is a lugged MIT Clem but a 
> bit heavier duty...?!?  


I'm slow and didn't understand Grant's comment until you said this, but 
obviously "HHH" was referring to the Hubbuhubbuh.   I wonder if that means 
it's going to be tig welded and have a segmented fork?  If so, the solution 
for everyone who keeps insisting that they want a "Rivendell" mountain bike 
- but only if it has disc brakes, suspension corrected geometry, dropper 
post cable routing, etc. - already exists.  Jones' bikes are about as Riv 
inspired as you can get in terms of fit, philosophy and ride quality (which 
is why I ride one.  Probably you, too), and Stooge is about as blatant of a 
Jones copy as you can get, but with a suspension corrected fork length.

Personally, I'm still hoping for something with a more typical 
rivendellesque refined aesthetic and versatility, still fully lugged, but 
with a wee bit more aggressive (trail-oriented versus  
paved-road-touring-oriented geometry) than the Hunq., and with room for 
2.8" or 3" b+ tires.  And in my size.  That would pretty much be the 
end-all, last bike I ever needed, pass-it-down heirloom fantasy.

Above all, I hope there is a wider-clearance cast fork crown being 
developed as part of this project.  If so and if the rest doesn't work or 
if a size doesn't fit, then I could at least get a custom.

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree.  The only thing I really don't like about my Karate Monkey is the 
fact that it's suspension corrected.  The new Ogre fixes that but when I 
decide to get a new frame, it's going to be something much nicer than a 
Surly.  



On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:25:11 AM UTC-5, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>
>
> I think a bike is either designed for suspension or it isn’t. Trying to do 
> both is a bad idea. 
>
> There’s also the admittedly subjective matter of aesthetics (I think they 
> are as ugly as including disc and canti mounts - i.e. super ugly). 
>
> Eamon 
> Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: Nitto rear rack shortage?

[tc]

You might try Ben's Cycle.  They carry many Nitto racks, and also state on 
the page for each how many are in stock.

https://www.benscycle.com/racks-and-holders/rear-mount-rack-nitto/23743-25444/search

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 1:13:12 PM UTC-4, ian m wrote:
>
> Seems like everywhere is out of stock except on the 26" MT Campee. Anyone 
> have any insight on why, if they hit a production bottleneck or 
> distribution problems or something? 
>
> Anyone have one they are looking to unload?
>

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[RBW] Notes on a new Sam Hillborne, Albastache handlebars, and on being "fast enough"

[John W]

Nice build. How does the toe clip overlap compare on the two bikes? And more 
importantly — how do you decide which one to ride?

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[RBW] Re: Cracking paint or (gulp) cracking frame?

[William R.]

I once suspected that I had a cracked frame at the base of the seat tube in 
the area just above the lug in your first photo. I called the builder of 
the frame and they sent me to a shop that was local to me for inspection. 
The shop mechanic pulled the seat post out of the frame, grabbed a 
flashlight and pointed it down the seat tube while cupping his hand around 
the top of the seat post and the flashlight so no light would leak out 
there. They turned out the lights in the room and we could all clearly see 
the line of light leaking out at the area where I thought the crack was. It 
was a tig welded Reynolds 853 frame and the builder admitted that they had 
made some changes with the building process on the newer frames. Only frame 
I've ever had crack on me and I've always been north of 180lbs, at times 
well north! Anyway, maybe that method would work here too.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Bought a Rambouillet from CL...

[iamkeith]

That ebay fork appears to still be available.  If your frame is blue and 
the steerer tube is the correct length, this is a no-brainer.  If not, I'd 
have Riv build me a new one with the correct crown if it were me.

Lisiting:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/323210418368?ViewItem==323210418368



On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 10:26:06 AM UTC-6, Stasi Chase wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> We bought a well-loved Rambouillet from CL with a replaced fork - is it 
> worth it to track down an original part? (I saw one recently on eBay.) 
>
> The bike rides fine but as a non-expert, I don't know how crucial it is to 
> have an original part as opposed to a replacement.
>
> Any thoughts/ideas you can share would be helpful.
>
> Thanks!
>
> :)
>

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[RBW] Model(s) going away

[Joe Bernard]

I have an email in to Dave @ Riv about the Sam situation, but haven't heard 
back yet. I think they're all headed to Rivelo for the weekend. 

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[Philip Williamson]

I have a long rigid Kona fork on my Bontrager 
, replacing a 
suspension fork. I had the same setup with a Gary Fisher Utopia hybrid 
. I see them 
as misproportioned, and I don't like that it's an obvious hack. The Fisher 
had a bad SR fork when I got it, and the Bontrager's SID Air was just older 
and flexier than I wanted to deal with. One of the things I really liked 
about my Gryphon mountain bik 
e was that it 
was designed as a rigid bike. It looked good.

Of these two bikes, the dedicated rigid version is more attractive to me, 
and presented as an improvement on the suspension-able design by the 
builder: (non-Riv trigger warning) Suspension-corrected 
 hybrid vs Rigid 
 hybrid.  

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 7:56:05 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> With the exciting news about a new Riv MTB in the works, I wonder what 
> would be given up by offering it with a suspension-corrected rigid fork to 
> allow those of us who prefer some squish in front to have that option?  I 
> realize it's too late for that, but I can always hope for a "2.0" model :)
>
> And I'd like to stay away from justifying the need for me or anyone else 
> needing a suspension fork, and instead stick to the design principles 
> involved, and mostly the experience of those who've had bikes that were 
> offered with suspension corrected forks/frames and rode them with both 
> setups.  For the type of riding you do/did, did the offset/trail/whatever 
> bug you to the point that you didn't like one version or the other?  Did 
> you really appreciate the flexibility it gave you?  Did you enjoy it both 
> ways, for different purposes?
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: Tubeless question from an old fart

[phil k]

I used to run tubeless. It allows you to ride lower pressure, which is 
nice. However, the hassle outweighed the benefit for me. So I went back to 
tubes.

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 7:56:14 AM UTC-4, Larry Charlton wrote:
>
> So last year while having my Proto-Appaloosa built up the 20-something LBS 
> mechanic insisted that I MUST run tubeless on my 700x38 tires.  I shrugged 
> and let him go.  Two weeks ago I scrubbed a high curb cut and unseated the 
> bead.  Flat tire.  Walked the 3 blocks home and tried pumping it up which I 
> now know can't be done.  I used my last CO2 cartridge and inflated the 
> tire.  Rode the bike the last two weeks and yesterday the tire was flat 
> again.  So today I have to take the wheel back and (I guess) have it 
> re-sealed.
>
> This seems like a pain.  It would have been very easy to simply patch a 
> tube if the scrubbing had caused a pinch flat.  I can patch and be riding 
> in 5 minutes.  So what, exactly, is the advantage of riding tubeless?  That 
> said, can I just take off the wheel, remove the stem, and put a spare tube 
> in there?  Does the sealant need to be cleaned out before doing that?
>
> I'm old school, I guess.  Anyone want to bring me up to speed, info-wise, 
> on this subject?
>
> PS:  Even though the Proto has a fairly long top tube I'm changing it over 
> from an Albastache bar to a noodle.  I'm finding myself more and more 
> comfortable lowering the bar and I'm riding on the hoods (stretched) often, 
> so why not?Pics coming soon.
>

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Re: [RBW] Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[Eric Daume]

Suspension corrected means the fork compensated for the extra length of a
sagged suspension fork.

For instance, the 29er Clem fork is maybe 400-410mm long. An 80mm
suspension corrected 29er rigid fork is 465mm long. So you would have an
extra 2” above the tire due to the suspension correction.

Eric

On Friday, June 15, 2018, 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> A question and a comment:
>
> Question: What is a suspension corrected fork? (In Italy caffe correto is
> "coffee corrected" meaning adding liquor...)
>
> Comment: Now that I'm working in AZ, I took the Hunq to Sedona and hit the
> MTB trails. The bike never limited me, my skills did. I'm a novice on rocks
> and it's rocky there. The first day was a big, big challenge with lots of
> walking the bike. My technique improved probably 50% the first day and
> another 50% per day the next two. I had two low speed crashes (which I
> almost always do on single track) but I rode stuff on day 3 that I would
> have just turned around and avoided on day one. I'm still a super mediocre
> off road rider.
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[RBW] Model(s) going away

[Rod Holland]

Blame it on intertextuality, but I recall Grant saying elsewhere that the 
Clem-L would probably replace the Clem-H going forward, and so gave the text a 
narrow reading: last of the Clem-Hs, but not last of tbe Clem-*s... unless they 
bring back the Clementine model name.

Based mostly on remarks in the catalog, I read the comments about Sams and MIT 
Homers as suggesting staggered availability of the two models, not extinction 
for the Sams. But as they say at the Cretaceous-Tertiary Boundary, "Shit 
happen, and the situation evolves."

rod

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[CMR]

It would need a very different type of headset that would look goofy with a 
steel fork that 95% of Rivendell riders would use. Unless you want to do 
the hunting for straight steerer suspension forks, that's not a search I 
want to do. And there would be way too much space in the fork to mount the 
front racks Rivendell often uses. It really doesn't go with the Rivendell 
style or purpose. Just so many reasons, please don't do it Rivendell haha

Chris
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Nitto rear rack shortage?

[ian m]

Seems like everywhere is out of stock except on the 26" MT Campee. Anyone 
have any insight on why, if they hit a production bottleneck or 
distribution problems or something? 

Anyone have one they are looking to unload?

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Patrick Moore]

That Schwinn wouldn't slow this fellow down:

https://www.bikemag.com/news/news-fat-and-furious/

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:04 AM, tc  wrote:

> Take the fenders off a Schwinn Heavy Duty
>  and add some
> big 'ol knobbies :)  For a tad more, the Surly Lowside
> might work.
>
> Tom
>
> On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 7:36:32 PM UTC-4, Christopher Murray wrote:
>>
>> What are the chances the new bike is going to look something like Gary
>> Fishers Repack bike? THAT..would..be..amazing!
>>
>> Chris
>>
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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A question and a comment: 

Question: What is a suspension corrected fork? (In Italy caffe correto is 
"coffee corrected" meaning adding liquor...)

Comment: Now that I'm working in AZ, I took the Hunq to Sedona and hit the MTB 
trails. The bike never limited me, my skills did. I'm a novice on rocks and 
it's rocky there. The first day was a big, big challenge with lots of walking 
the bike. My technique improved probably 50% the first day and another 50% per 
day the next two. I had two low speed crashes (which I almost always do on 
single track) but I rode stuff on day 3 that I would have just turned around 
and avoided on day one. I'm still a super mediocre off road rider. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bought a Rambouillet from CL...

[Anastasia Chase]

Will do.  I'm hoping to get a chance to go visit in person next week.
(Fingers crossed!)

Thanks!

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:34 AM, Cyclofiend Jim 
wrote:

> Depends a great deal on what fork they used for replacement.
>
> Rivendell used to list the "Carbonomas" fork on the site, but for some
> reason, that does not seem to be coming up.  Thought I saw it fairly
> recently. Ahhh well...
>
> You might give them a call to see the status on that.
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[RBW] Re: Bought a Rambouillet from CL...

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Depends a great deal on what fork they used for replacement.  

Rivendell used to list the "Carbonomas" fork on the site, but for some 
reason, that does not seem to be coming up.  Thought I saw it fairly 
recently. Ahhh well...

You might give them a call to see the status on that.  

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[RBW] Re: Totally OT, but no TV

[Max S]

Would love to know more, too. Also, how do they compare when going abroad? 

- Max “sick of TV, but accommodating others in the household” in A2

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[RBW] Tubeless question from an old fart

[Joe Bernard]

I'm new to tubeless, too, and still carry a tube and patch kit out of 'old 
fart' habit (plus tire plugs), which I guess kinda defeats the whole purpose. 
The advantage I discovered last week was getting a rear flat OH MAN THIS SUCKS, 
then after watching sealant spew for a few seconds, it stopped and I finished 
my ride. Amazing! Added 20 psi back at home and all is good. 

Yes you can stuff a tube in there, I wouldn't worry about scraping out sealant 
unless it's really gooped up. 

I recommend watching some YouTube videos about installing tubeless tires 
instead of taking it back to the shop. It looks like kind of a hassle but 
realistically isn't much more so than installing tube tires, we're just used to 
the latter. You'll get your tire resealed and will be up on how all this works. 
I haven't done this yet, but need to. 

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[Eric Karnes]

I would definitely appreciate front suspension during the (extremely rare) 
occasions that I'm riding seriously off-road. But I'm guessing a 500 or 
600mm fork completely changes the ride characteristics of the bike. I'm no 
geometry expert, but have definitely found suspension corrected Surlys to 
ride awkwardly on anything but the single track they were designed for. 
Kind of a lumbering feel. Certainly compared to a Rivendell. And as was 
mentioned, there are plenty of steel, suspension-corrected mountain bike 
frames out there today. 

Eric



On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:59:17 AM UTC-4, d2mini wrote:
>
> For my mountain biking, there is no replacing my full suspension mtn bike. 
> Period.
>
> That's ok though. I have my Riv for my casual riding on roads and light 
> trails and my specialized rockhopper for taking the real abuse.
>
> In other words, don't force something to be something it's not. Let Riv be 
> Riv. 
> If you're riding requires some sort of suspension, there are so many good 
> options out there already.
>
>
>
> On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 9:56:05 AM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>>
>> With the exciting news about a new Riv MTB in the works, I wonder what 
>> would be given up by offering it with a suspension-corrected rigid fork to 
>> allow those of us who prefer some squish in front to have that option?  I 
>> realize it's too late for that, but I can always hope for a "2.0" model :)
>>
>> And I'd like to stay away from justifying the need for me or anyone else 
>> needing a suspension fork, and instead stick to the design principles 
>> involved, and mostly the experience of those who've had bikes that were 
>> offered with suspension corrected forks/frames and rode them with both 
>> setups.  For the type of riding you do/did, did the offset/trail/whatever 
>> bug you to the point that you didn't like one version or the other?  Did 
>> you really appreciate the flexibility it gave you?  Did you enjoy it both 
>> ways, for different purposes?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Model(s) going away

[Esteban]

I'm dating myself, but in a different economic, political, and cultural 
moment, I loved, loved loved: Atlantis - Hilsen/Saluki - Ram/Rom - 
Quickbeam - Glorious/Wilbury line-up of differentiation. I like that the 
Hilsen nameplate is sustaining, as the original "country bike."

That being said, my normal-chainstay 700c Hunqa is the forever-Riv and the 
one I have long thought everyone should have (scoop up those demo bikes!), 
and I've had 5 Rivs (3 currently - QB and custom in addition to the Hunqa).

I defer to Grant and the gang regarding their decisions - but if I was 
sketching it out, I'd imagine:

1. Hunqapillar 650B Plus MTB in diamond and step-thru (!)
2. Atlantis bend-a-tube touring
3. Hilsen do-all country bike
4. Roadeo/Rodini
5. Special release - SS/Mixte/hammock bike...

I like this direction.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

All rim brakes, all steel, nothing fancy, fun-as-hell-last-forever.

On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 5:58:53 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The newsletter pretty unambiguously declared the MIT Hilsen is replacing 
> the Hillborne, so there will be no more Sam Hillbornes. The newsletter also 
> said a little bit more ambiguously that Clem’s are going to end. For the 
> year or forever wasn’t clearly stated, but it said the last of the cheap 
> Rivs. Those who were calling for streamlining are getting it. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Bought a Rambouillet from CL...

[Stasi Chase]

Hi all,

We bought a well-loved Rambouillet from CL with a replaced fork - is it 
worth it to track down an original part? (I saw one recently on eBay.) 

The bike rides fine but as a non-expert, I don't know how crucial it is to 
have an original part as opposed to a replacement.

Any thoughts/ideas you can share would be helpful.

Thanks!

:)

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[RBW] Re: Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[d2mini]

For my mountain biking, there is no replacing my full suspension mtn bike. 
Period.

That's ok though. I have my Riv for my casual riding on roads and light 
trails and my specialized rockhopper for taking the real abuse.

In other words, don't force something to be something it's not. Let Riv be 
Riv. 
If you're riding requires some sort of suspension, there are so many good 
options out there already.



On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 9:56:05 AM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> With the exciting news about a new Riv MTB in the works, I wonder what 
> would be given up by offering it with a suspension-corrected rigid fork to 
> allow those of us who prefer some squish in front to have that option?  I 
> realize it's too late for that, but I can always hope for a "2.0" model :)
>
> And I'd like to stay away from justifying the need for me or anyone else 
> needing a suspension fork, and instead stick to the design principles 
> involved, and mostly the experience of those who've had bikes that were 
> offered with suspension corrected forks/frames and rode them with both 
> setups.  For the type of riding you do/did, did the offset/trail/whatever 
> bug you to the point that you didn't like one version or the other?  Did 
> you really appreciate the flexibility it gave you?  Did you enjoy it both 
> ways, for different purposes?
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy w/40 miles for sale

[S. Greco]

I'm very interested. Also very interested in size and price.

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[RBW] Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, for starters the headtube has to be shorter, and the fork crown ends up a 
million miles from the rack mounting braze ons, limiting your front rack 
mounting options (also making fender mounting difficult). The fork blades have 
to be much longer (and probably stouter), making chances for an elegant looking 
fork slim to none.

I think a bike is either designed for suspension or it isn’t. Trying to do both 
is a bad idea.

There’s also the admittedly subjective matter of aesthetics (I think they are 
as ugly as including disc and canti mounts - i.e. super ugly).

Eamon 
Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: Totally OT, but no TV

[Arthur Mayfield]

I cut the cable about a month ago. My setup is a Roku stick plugged into my 
tv and high speed internet over a DSL connection. I am mostly 
Apple-centric, but decided to go with Roku after some internet research. 
I'm still learning to use the system, but I've been happy so far. I already 
had Netflix and Amazon Prime accounts, and am a PBS sustainer, so those are 
my main sources. I added the Acorn channel to Prime for British and Aussie 
shows. There are a lot (thousands) of free channels on Roku, but most are 
either old tv/movies, or for specific interests. ABC offers a free channel, 
but you have to wait a week after they air their shows live. NBC is much 
the same. CBS is subscription. I get my current news via the internet, so 
Roku is providing me with far more than I have time to watch.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[tc]

Take the fenders off a Schwinn Heavy Duty 
 and add some 
big 'ol knobbies :)  For a tad more, the Surly Lowside 
might work.

Tom

On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 7:36:32 PM UTC-4, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> What are the chances the new bike is going to look something like Gary 
> Fishers Repack bike? THAT..would..be..amazing!
>
> Chris
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[RBW] Why not a suspension-corrected fork/frame?

[tc]

With the exciting news about a new Riv MTB in the works, I wonder what 
would be given up by offering it with a suspension-corrected rigid fork to 
allow those of us who prefer some squish in front to have that option?  I 
realize it's too late for that, but I can always hope for a "2.0" model :)

And I'd like to stay away from justifying the need for me or anyone else 
needing a suspension fork, and instead stick to the design principles 
involved, and mostly the experience of those who've had bikes that were 
offered with suspension corrected forks/frames and rode them with both 
setups.  For the type of riding you do/did, did the offset/trail/whatever 
bug you to the point that you didn't like one version or the other?  Did 
you really appreciate the flexibility it gave you?  Did you enjoy it both 
ways, for different purposes?

Tom

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[RBW] Grabsack anyone?

[Christopher Wiggins]

I've got a handful of GrabSacks in stock that have been here a bit too 
long.  Brown and Tan only.  Priced for your consideration.

Thanks!

Chris @ A1 Cyclery

https://a1cyclery.com/product/sackville-grabsack/

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[RBW] Re: Cracking paint or (gulp) cracking frame?

[lconley]

You could try Magnafluxing. Most auto machine shops can do it. They apply a 
magnetic particle dye and then put a magnetic field around the part. The 
magnetic dye will migrate to the crack if there is one (a blacklight may be 
involved). Standard test for finding cracks in engine parts during a 
rebuild. It is a type of non-destructive testing as suggested before. You 
can even buy a kit and do it yourself, not cheap, but less than the cost of 
a new Riv.

Laing
Cocoa, FL


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[RBW] Re: 650B Roadini build

[lconley]

The Tektro R-539 does fit on the front of the 650b Roadini. I swapped out 
the ugly black cable adjuster for the nice silver one from the R-559.
 


I also installed the 30+ year old Blackburn Fastrak rack with 1/2 of a 
Pletscher Clem hardware kit.



 
 Laing
 

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[RBW] Re: Cracking paint or (gulp) cracking frame?

[lambbo]

If I were looking for a crack in a sanded down stay, I would put liberally 
apply some removable ink on the effected area, hop on the bike and flex it 
a little, get off and wipe away the ink carefully with a FLAT hand, or a 
tight ball of rag (if your towel is loose it will get in any cracks and 
wipe away, if it's firm and flat-ish it will not wipe down into the 
crevice).  If there's a crack the ink should expose it.  

This is of course a printmaking technique - etching - but I don't see why 
it wouldn't hold up here. 

-
Antone


On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 7:12:06 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> you can check for local Non-Destructive Inspection companies in your area 
> - they support industry repairs and turnarounds in power plants, etc.  
> They typically work out of a shop.  
> They might cut you a deal on a quick PT inspection of the sanded area to 
> determine if a crack indication exists.  Worth a call to find out.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Model(s) going away

[JohnS]

Sorry Joe, my bad. Should have been.a question to the people at RBW.

JohnS

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 12:45:41 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> John, are you asking me/Joe? I don't understand the question. 

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[RBW] lum gom fong please PM

[bo richardson]

i cant pm from my ipad
i will take the 7 stem if we can communicate

thanks and thanks again

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[RBW] Re: Tubeless question from an old fart

[Ron Mc]

I'm a hold-out, run latex (challenge cross) tubes and carry a 2oz bottle of 
Stans and valve core tool (and spare valve core) for Alt Flat Kit.  
Stans repair has always lasted me as long as remaining tread.  I start with 
1 ounce at roadside, and 6 weeks later have to add the 2nd ounce.  I 
started this running Challenge tubulars, but it became my system with 
clinchers, as well.  

On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 6:56:14 AM UTC-5, Larry Charlton wrote:
>
> So last year while having my Proto-Appaloosa built up the 20-something LBS 
> mechanic insisted that I MUST run tubeless on my 700x38 tires.  I shrugged 
> and let him go.  Two weeks ago I scrubbed a high curb cut and unseated the 
> bead.  Flat tire.  Walked the 3 blocks home and tried pumping it up which I 
> now know can't be done.  I used my last CO2 cartridge and inflated the 
> tire.  Rode the bike the last two weeks and yesterday the tire was flat 
> again.  So today I have to take the wheel back and (I guess) have it 
> re-sealed.
>
> This seems like a pain.  It would have been very easy to simply patch a 
> tube if the scrubbing had caused a pinch flat.  I can patch and be riding 
> in 5 minutes.  So what, exactly, is the advantage of riding tubeless?  That 
> said, can I just take off the wheel, remove the stem, and put a spare tube 
> in there?  Does the sealant need to be cleaned out before doing that?
>
> I'm old school, I guess.  Anyone want to bring me up to speed, info-wise, 
> on this subject?
>
> PS:  Even though the Proto has a fairly long top tube I'm changing it over 
> from an Albastache bar to a noodle.  I'm finding myself more and more 
> comfortable lowering the bar and I'm riding on the hoods (stretched) often, 
> so why not?Pics coming soon.
>

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[RBW] Tubeless question from an old fart

[Larry Charlton]

So last year while having my Proto-Appaloosa built up the 20-something LBS 
mechanic insisted that I MUST run tubeless on my 700x38 tires.  I shrugged 
and let him go.  Two weeks ago I scrubbed a high curb cut and unseated the 
bead.  Flat tire.  Walked the 3 blocks home and tried pumping it up which I 
now know can't be done.  I used my last CO2 cartridge and inflated the 
tire.  Rode the bike the last two weeks and yesterday the tire was flat 
again.  So today I have to take the wheel back and (I guess) have it 
re-sealed.

This seems like a pain.  It would have been very easy to simply patch a 
tube if the scrubbing had caused a pinch flat.  I can patch and be riding 
in 5 minutes.  So what, exactly, is the advantage of riding tubeless?  That 
said, can I just take off the wheel, remove the stem, and put a spare tube 
in there?  Does the sealant need to be cleaned out before doing that?

I'm old school, I guess.  Anyone want to bring me up to speed, info-wise, 
on this subject?

PS:  Even though the Proto has a fairly long top tube I'm changing it over 
from an Albastache bar to a noodle.  I'm finding myself more and more 
comfortable lowering the bar and I'm riding on the hoods (stretched) often, 
so why not?Pics coming soon.

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[RBW] Re: Notes on a new Sam Hillborne, Albastache handlebars, and on being "fast enough"

[Austin B.]

Similar story with my 62cm Sam. Noodles on a 90mm stem left me feeling 
stretched out no matter the bar height.  Then I picked up an 80mm stem and 
an Albastache bar and it was glorious! I have it set up as my offroad trail 
bike with 42mm knobbies.

-Austin
Sykesville, MD

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[RBW] Re: Cracking paint or (gulp) cracking frame?

[Ron Mc]

you can check for local Non-Destructive Inspection companies in your area - 
they support industry repairs and turnarounds in power plants, etc.  
They typically work out of a shop.  
They might cut you a deal on a quick PT inspection of the sanded area to 
determine if a crack indication exists.  Worth a call to find out.  

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[RBW] Re: Notes on a new Sam Hillborne, Albastache handlebars, and on being "fast enough"

[Ron Mc]

your bike is a beauty, and just how I would set one up.  Currently, my 
closest bike is my '74 International.  This may change before too long, 
since my thousand-dollar monthly child support commitment just ended for 
good.  


I ride religiously with a 7a Sunday morning group from Alamo Heights to the 
Alamodome.  It's a fun group of friends, all wheels, many old-bike-guys 
there, and 30-40 riders usually ride in to join the group.  
The lead group breaks into a sprint heading into downtown and the final 
stretch to the Alamodome.  My friends last week were commenting on my speed 
and place riding "the fender bike"

 

another group of us always split off for coffee before we head back uptown. 
. 

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[RBW] Re: Notes on a new Sam Hillborne, Albastache handlebars, and on being "fast enough"

[Lester Lammers]

Great write up.


> *I first built it with 44cm Noodles that I had on hand, but even with the 
> Riv-recommended 8cm stem (that I worried would be too short), I felt way 
> too stretched out and uncomfortable.*
>

 I felt the same way about my 55cm Bleriot with a similar set up. My legs 
are longer than my torso and I struggled with the stem and drops. FYI, I 
ordered one of these to be able to use drops on a MIT Atlantis.

https://www.analogcycles.com/2018/02/26/wright-stem-write-up/

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