Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[Eric Floden]

as an OTR fan I loved that



On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 21:09, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> I could see RBW with on OTR type intro to their podcasts:
> Tired of the every day 52 x 26 grind?...
> Backpack getting you down?...
> The clock on those 8-year old carbon forks closing in on you?...
> We offer you... ESCAPE
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[Leah Peterson]

We shall live vicariously through you, Roberta! You must take photos and report 
back here! 

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> On Oct 3, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:
> 
> I could see RBW with on OTR type intro to their podcasts:
> Tired of the every day 52 x 26 grind?...
> Backpack getting you down?...
> The clock on those 8-year old carbon forks closing in on you?...
> We offer you... ESCAPE
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[RBW] Re: Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[Lum Gim Fong]

I could see RBW with on OTR type intro to their podcasts:
Tired of the every day 52 x 26 grind?...
Backpack getting you down?...
The clock on those 8-year old carbon forks closing in on you?...
We offer you... ESCAPE

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[RBW] FS: Compass Antelope Hill Skinwall/ 2 Velo Orange Setback seatposts

[Reid Echols]

Pm sent re the tires!

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[RBW] Re: Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[Lum Gim Fong]

Olde Tyme Radio podcasts

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[RBW] Re: Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[Lum Gim Fong]

Three words:
OTR

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Lum Gim Fong]

Gorgeous!! Congrats!!

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[RBW] WTB Brooks c19

[Timothy Hurley]

Hi all,
I’ve convinced myself that a c19 will solve all my problems. Does anyone 
have one collecting dust that’d they’d like to sell? Any color is cool.

Thanks and happy riding,
 T.J.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Billie bar / choco bar

[J L]

Jeffery,

Thanks for the insight and picture reference! 

Jason

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 5:10 PM, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't ride these bars flipped downward but here's a few observations:
> 
> I've been riding a Choco with an old school style Ritchy MTB stem since mid 
> 2016 -- it's got an approx 15 degree rise and 130 length. That's longer than 
> normal length for me but works for the Choco because I like to stretch out 
> onto the front "hook" where the bar bends back toward you and the Choco 
> doesn't have the forward extension like an Alba. My other primary hand 
> position ends up on top of the brake lever clamp, which, isn't so bad as the 
> clamp itself is pretty low in profile -- but it's been bugging me a bit. I do 
> like the cool factor of the Ritchy MTB stem (it matches my Nitto/Ritchy 
> seatpost and brake levers) but 130 does put the bar out over my basket a bit 
> more than I'd like. 
> 
> So I just picked up a Billie here on the list and plan on pairing with a 
> Ritchy/Nitto 90 degree x 110 stem. The Billie has the forward hook extension 
> to get me the same stretched position but with a shorter stem that won't 
> crowd man basket and it has a little more rise than the Choco so I don't need 
> rise in the stem itself. Lately, I'm loving the look and usefulness of 90 
> degree stem angles on pretty much all my bikes (check out those SimWorks 
> Getting  Hungry Nitto made stems ... they're my new favorite).
> 
> Also: In a side by side comparison the Billie flares just slightly more than 
> the Choco as well, which, I'm also looking forward to.
> 
> Here's a pic of the current Choco set up - I expect to switch it out for the 
> Billie over the weekend:
> 
>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 1:45:07 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>> Hello rivsters, 
>> 
>> I have been looking for a new upright bar. I love love love albatross bars 
>> with the handles angled down about 10° - that is the end of the bars point 
>> toward the rear hub. 
>> 
>> What are peoples experience with the billie and choco bars? They look 
>> similar to albatross but with less rise. I want to try one of them set up 
>> almost like a flat bar with swept back handles. I am looking for a slightly 
>> more swept back Jitensha bar (nitto b2522). I plan to cut the bar ends to 
>> the length I want. 
>> 
>> Thoughts? Other options. 
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> Jason
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Re: [RBW] Re: Billie bar / choco bar

[Ed Fausto]

Please give us your ride report once you have installed the Billie bar.
Don’t forget the pictures too :-)

> On 4 Oct 2018, at 8:10 AM, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't ride these bars flipped downward but here's a few observations:
> 
> I've been riding a Choco with an old school style Ritchy MTB stem since mid 
> 2016 -- it's got an approx 15 degree rise and 130 length. That's longer than 
> normal length for me but works for the Choco because I like to stretch out 
> onto the front "hook" where the bar bends back toward you and the Choco 
> doesn't have the forward extension like an Alba. My other primary hand 
> position ends up on top of the brake lever clamp, which, isn't so bad as the 
> clamp itself is pretty low in profile -- but it's been bugging me a bit. I do 
> like the cool factor of the Ritchy MTB stem (it matches my Nitto/Ritchy 
> seatpost and brake levers) but 130 does put the bar out over my basket a bit 
> more than I'd like. 
> 
> So I just picked up a Billie here on the list and plan on pairing with a 
> Ritchy/Nitto 90 degree x 110 stem. The Billie has the forward hook extension 
> to get me the same stretched position but with a shorter stem that won't 
> crowd man basket and it has a little more rise than the Choco so I don't need 
> rise in the stem itself. Lately, I'm loving the look and usefulness of 90 
> degree stem angles on pretty much all my bikes (check out those SimWorks 
> Getting  Hungry Nitto made stems ... they're my new favorite).
> 
> Also: In a side by side comparison the Billie flares just slightly more than 
> the Choco as well, which, I'm also looking forward to.
> 
> Here's a pic of the current Choco set up - I expect to switch it out for the 
> Billie over the weekend:
> 
>> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 1:45:07 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>> Hello rivsters, 
>> 
>> I have been looking for a new upright bar. I love love love albatross bars 
>> with the handles angled down about 10° - that is the end of the bars point 
>> toward the rear hub. 
>> 
>> What are peoples experience with the billie and choco bars? They look 
>> similar to albatross but with less rise. I want to try one of them set up 
>> almost like a flat bar with swept back handles. I am looking for a slightly 
>> more swept back Jitensha bar (nitto b2522). I plan to cut the bar ends to 
>> the length I want. 
>> 
>> Thoughts? Other options. 
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> Jason
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[RBW] FS: Compass Antelope Hill Skinwall/ 2 Velo Orange Setback seatposts

[Michael Williams]

Hey group,  I have a slightly used pair of Compass Antelope Hill tires( 700x55) 
for sale in the Skinwall/ standard version.  1pair.  Excellent condition.  $105 
shipped.

2 Velo Orange Grand Cru setback seatposts.   Used condition.  There are some 
scratches.  $22 shipped each

Pics available.   Thanks!   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Steve Butcher]

Also, being one who lives in a very car-centric part of the U.S., bicycle 
compliments here are rare as "hen's teeth".  Instagram has been, for me, a 
nice source of encouragement in, not only my Rivs, but other bikes I own 
and, upon which, I have put my personal touches.  

Steve Butcher aka graveldoc
southwest Missouri

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 10:18:57 AM UTC-5, LeRoy wrote:
>
> I've only had my Clem Smith Jr since late spring of this year and have put 
> about 750 miles on it. Rivendells of any sort are thin on the ground in my 
> Midwestern home. Most of the guys I ride with are only vaguely aware of the 
> brand. They do recognize my bike as an interesting curiosity. It's 
> something that's at variance with the generally mountain bike-oriented 
> bikes they own. So I've been pedaling along and simply enjoying the ride. 
> Thus it was with a bit of personal pleasure that I heard another rider call 
> out, *"Hey, nice Riv!"* as he cycled past this morning. I felt pretty 
> chuffed, in a private sort of way, that a stranger recognized the bike and 
> called it out. Did I need the "validation?" Well, maybe. Whatever. I must 
> say that it was nice to hear. When was your first such experience?
>

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[RBW] Re: OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Well, it's done. I hated to give up the hope on the Islabike but the site now 
says, "SOLD OUT - there won't be any available", and customer service offered 
me zero hope. Such a bummer. I ordered the Woom 6 in sky blue with the 
kickstand for just a little more than the discounted Islabike. I debated going 
with a small adult bike, but light weight is really important here. My son is a 
7th grader but he is so slim; he only weighs 70 pounds.

The developing crisis is going to be when I sell my younger son's Islabike 
Beinn 20 and hand him the old Specialized. It is noticeably heavier and he is 
going to resent that after his dreamy Islabike ride. He is 10 and only 55 
pounds. Oh, how I wish I had ordered Islabikes last night and not waited until 
today.

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Joe,

Thanks! This orange Riv is certainly giving me a sunny disposition on a 
cloudy New England day...



Serial number of this bike is RB031.

rod

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 3:48:03 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Welcome to the Orange RivBikes Club! Which I just invented cuz I have an 
> Orange Roadini. That Ram is sweet!

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

Shoji,

Thanks! I look forward to it. I raised the saddle a bit (necessary), and 
took it for a little shakedown cruise on the Minuteman this afternoon. It's 
a sweet bike, and I've got a little list of wrenching projects for it 
forming up...



rod

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 3:26:40 PM UTC-4, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Congrats, Rod. The best colorway... probably never to-be reproduced. And a 
> classic Ritchey crank, too. 
>
> Hope to see it on the road/bikeway sometime.
>
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 3:08:47 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>>
>> I drove over to JP this afternoon and found the bike. "So, whaddya 
>> think?" I said. "Take me home," said the bike. So I did.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Peter, thank you for the heads up! I've been looking for one of these for 
>> years...
>>
>> More of this in a bit. I have to raise the seat and go ride the bike now.
>>
>> rod
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:39:23 PM UTC-4, Peter H wrote:
>>>
>>> I was pleasantly surprised when visiting my LBS yesterday, there on the 
>>> for sale racks amongst a bunch of used bikes was a gorgeous Rambouillet. 
>>>
>>> Tag has it as 58, for $1,500. 
>>>
>>> It’s over at Bikes Not Bombs in Jamaica Plain. 
>>>
>>> It’s a real beaut! 
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/pg9LxRacWXwPb9wT9 
>>>
>>> -Peter 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bike Shop Radio: A podcast by 718 Cyclery

[REC (Roberta)]

Hi, Leah!

Thanks for the information.  I'm in the car a lot and downloaded and listed 
to episodes 1-4 all in the same day!  

For anyone who is interested in listening, I found the first part of 
episode 3--how Joe got into the business and how architecture relates to 
bikes (he is a registered architect)-- interesting.  I also loved episode 4 
(and feared for the future of LBS everywhere), where he published the 
keynote from Interbike.

The most "fun-ist" thing for me after listening to these podcasts, though, 
is that I'll be in Brooklyn in about a month and I'm now planning on 
stopping by to visit, assuming NY traffic doesn't cause me to be late to my 
original appointment.

Roberta

On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 4:58:38 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> Hi All,
> 718 Cyclery is a Rivendell dealer based out of Brooklyn, NY. They really 
> have quite a presence in their city and nowa podcast! I don't know if 
> I'm speaking to any fellow podcast junkies out there, but if you love bikes 
> and you love stories about bikes and bike culture, I bet you'll love 718's 
> podcast. Podcasts are free and easy to access. If you have an iPhone or 
> iPad, just search for Bike Shop Radio on your purple podcast app, hit 
> "subscribe" (again, this is FREE) and get listening.
> Oh, and if you subscribe and fall headlong in love with podcasts, message 
> me and I'll tell you all the best podcasts in existence and we'll both be 
> junkies. But back to business; here's the website:
>
> http://www.718c.com/bikeshopradio/
>
> Enjoy!
> Leah
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times!

[Joe Bernard]

It was custom in the sense that you had to order your size and wait, kinda like 
the current Waterford frames. You're right about choosing paint, which was a 
great benefit. The spec sheet someone posted in this thread shows that you 
could order a non-stock size for a $300 upcharge; I think the one you're 
selling is the stock 53cm A/R.

Which is a great bike, I'm just commenting on how all this worked back in the 
day as I recall it.

I'm surprised it hasn't sold yet, but maybe people are struggling with buying 
another bike right now same as I am. Somebody buy this before I do! 

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[RBW] Re: OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

We just went through this with my 12 year old, who was maxed out riding his 
24" bike.  I looked around at newer bikes and couldn't find anything we 
wanted in our price range, though I might have reconsidered if I'd seen the 
info from this thread.  In the end we took a similar route with him that I 
have for me in the past:  a late 80s to mid-90s mountain bike.  They are 
ubiquitous, and therefore cheap enough that I can afford to spend money to 
modify them, and they typically have all the attachment points we might 
want.  He's only going to fit this bike for a few years, so this is a good 
time to experiment and find out what he likes.  We ended up with a +/- 1990 
Specialized Hardrock.  I'm replacing what is likely the original chain, 
cables, and brake pads, and adding a stem mounted cable hanger for the 
front brake, and then swap out for whatever handlebars he wants.  It'll fit 
fenders, and it's tall enough for a saddle bag if he wants it.  Other 
models had attachments for front racks, but he was less interested 
specifically in that.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

[G.E.]

I'm going to be singing, "C is for cookie" all day long... so thanks for 
that earworm. :)

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 11:02:29 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
> 
> 
> As for the Terry tire being 650c/571 . "c" *must* be for *Cookie* ;-)
> Cookie Cookie Cookie !  more Cookies !
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

[G.E.]

So, yes, it's a small road bike that happens to have 650b wheels. I have 
had 650c wheels as well on another bike... and there aren't a ton of 
options there either. It's almost the opposite problem though. One can find 
narrower 650c tires, but finding wider ones becomes more of a challenge. My 
initial question was really more out of curiosity... an "if I should ever" 
type of wondering. The 32mm ones work fine, but I know when I'd looked it 
was about the narrowest available, so was curious if anyone had tried 
something narrower on a 650b wheelset.

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:39:01 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> So is that what this is in aid of, really small size road bikes?  Time 
> was, 650C was the size of choice for really small road bikes even though 
> only really narrow tires were available in that size.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

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This is great, Philip! Way to rule the internets! 

I came to Rivendell via B'Stone and iBOB, but from the dirty side. It 
started with my MB-2 purchased from Beverly Hills Bikes that was my go-to 
ride for many years. So my tastes were formed in the Proto era, but my 
finances didn't catch up till the Golden era when I was able to commission 
a Joe/Joe custom in 2001. I also had an original Bleriot (shoulda' kept 
that one), a second (used) '01 Joe/Joe custom, and have had three different 
Quickbeams. My wife had a Glorius, and I would still like to find a larger 
one for me! My tastes lean toward single top tubes and shorter stays, and 
would love to have a Legolas. 

But enough about me...


On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
>
> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or 
> aesthetic most appeals to list members? 
>
> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? 
> Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through 
> the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, 
> travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? 
>
>- Are you a "*Proto-Riv*" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and 
>Herons? 
>- A "*Golden Ager*?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your 
>favorites? 
>- Or are you a "*2TTer,*" a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?
>- A "*Clemster*" and a Rosco? 
>- Have you become a "*New Atlantean*?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, 
>and a Gus Bootster? 
>
> Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era 
> before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in 
> the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but 
> the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA 
>

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Re: [RBW] Billie bar / choco bar

[Joe Bernard]

Choco is probably - between those two, I've never used a Billie - the better 
flipped bar. Less rise becomes less drop, with a more natural grip position in 
the curves than Alba. By an infinitesimal amount, mind you, but the details 
matter when choosing a bar. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Joe Bernard]

Welcome to the Orange RivBikes Club! Which I just invented cuz I have an Orange 
Roadini. That Ram is sweet!

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[RBW] Re: OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

We went with a Fairdale Weekender Archer when my son hit 5' 1" or so -- the 
Adult small size was designed around 27.5 (650b) wheels and with it's 
sloping top tube was a perfect "grow into" size. We never did install racks 
or fenders but there were plenty of attachment points on the fork and seat 
stays as well as both drop outs. Of course, he grew 4" that year and 
another 3" the next and already it's too small(ish). He's also going on 14 
and pretty much only riding in the summer anymore ... sigh. I'm betting I 
can switch out the stem and maybe do a bar swap of some sort and he'll eek 
out another summer on it  but then he'll likely have outgrown my bikes 
as well since he's already at least 1/2" taller than me!


On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 1:07:24 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Well, Islabikes announced yesterday afternoon they are shutting the doors 
> to the US office in Portland. The bikes and gear are all discounted and I 
> was so excited to get my hands on the Beinn 27 for my 7th grader. Alas, 
> they are SOLD OUT. As of now, the UK headquarters does not and will not 
> ship to US. There are 3 companies Islabikes recommended: Woom, Cleary and 
> Prevelo. None have a nice commuter option like Islabikes did. I'm so, so 
> disappointed.
>
> Do any of you have a recommendation for a bike to fit a 12.5 year old? I 
> see that the major bike companies offer only adult sizes at this point. I 
> want something that will take a rack so we can do our school commute. He 
> currently rides a Specialized Hot Rock 24 incher that he's had since FIRST 
> GRADE. It's been a wonderful bike. My younger son rides a little Islabike 
> and needs to size up, so that Specialized is going to be his. Thanks in 
> advance for your help - and if you need a great kid bike at a discount, 
> maybe Islabikes will still have the size you need.
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Shoji Takahashi]

Congrats, Rod. The best colorway... probably never to-be reproduced. And a 
classic Ritchey crank, too. 

Hope to see it on the road/bikeway sometime.

shoji
Arlington MA

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 3:08:47 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> I drove over to JP this afternoon and found the bike. "So, whaddya think?" 
> I said. "Take me home," said the bike. So I did.
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> Peter, thank you for the heads up! I've been looking for one of these for 
> years...
>
> More of this in a bit. I have to raise the seat and go ride the bike now.
>
> rod
>
>
> On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:39:23 PM UTC-4, Peter H wrote:
>>
>> I was pleasantly surprised when visiting my LBS yesterday, there on the 
>> for sale racks amongst a bunch of used bikes was a gorgeous Rambouillet. 
>>
>> Tag has it as 58, for $1,500. 
>>
>> It’s over at Bikes Not Bombs in Jamaica Plain. 
>>
>> It’s a real beaut! 
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/pg9LxRacWXwPb9wT9 
>>
>> -Peter 
>
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Re: [RBW] OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

[Shoji Takahashi]

Woom is lightweight-- more important for children bikes to-be light.
Brakes have a nice light feel, easy to squeeze and stop the bike.
Grip shifter works well.

Otherwise, it's a nice bike. Bummer was having to get rack and fenders from 
Islabikes! With a larger size (e.g., Woom 6), one could probably use 
adult-size bike accessories (e.g., fenders for 26" wheels, rear bike rack). 
I wasn't sure about those fitting on Woom5, which is 24" wheels, so I went 
with Islabikes accessories for 24"-wheel bike.

The quality difference between Isla and Woom is not noticeable unless you 
have them next to each other. For me, I see slight difference in paint, 
weld beads. I think most parts, e.g., crank/shifters/brakes, are 
similar/same. One difference: assembly of Islabikes was with appropriate 
grease... but the Woom I took off some parts and greased them. 

I have no problem recommending Woom. It's still more expensive than many 
children's bikes. For 26" wheel bikes, people ~5' or so, I would consider 
looking at adult-size small bikes. (I know some shorter adults have been 
recommended to look at Islabikes...)

Good luck!
shoji



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>
> Shoji, thanks so much for encouraging me to have a second look - if Woom 
> takes racks and fenders, this changes everything. I’m sure you’re at work 
> and I don’t want to take too much of your time, but if you  don’t mind, can 
> you tell me what you’ve liked about the Woom and why you felt it was lesser 
> quality than the Islabike? Thanks!!!
>
> On Oct 3, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Shoji Takahashi  > wrote:
>
> Hi BBDD,
> Woom has islets for rack and/or fenders. The Woom6 is for 55" - 65".
> https://us.woombikes.com/products/6
>
> Woom used to sell a "commuter"-style bike with racks+fenders, but sadly 
> discontinued it. I think it's a USA market thing-- they can't sell them. 
> (Looks like Woom still offers racks+fenders in EU, maybe other markets.)
>
> This past spring, I bought my 8-yo the Woom5, and purchased fenders+rack 
> from Islabikes. (Woom is a nice bike, and much nicer than most children's 
> bikes. Islabikes is higher quality, IMHO, but I couldn't justify the $100+ 
> difference.)
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 2:19:26 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> Oh Patrick, therein lies the crux. The cool factor for the teen boy. He 
>> has been pretty darn accommodating to all his mother’s whims and staunch 
>> beliefs. He eats homemade lunch every single day with weird things like 
>> fermented pickles and homemade sourdough, and organic everything. He’ll 
>> take the probiotics, drink the bone broth, be the only kid in school who 
>> bikes with his mother and brother, won’t cuss, loves good, hates evil, 
>> wears a matching leather bicycle cuff like mine. But this? Riding a 
>> bonafide girls’ bike that appears to be from bygone times? Oh, no. He would 
>> love the Clem L but it would offend the aesthetic sensibilities of the 
>> jerks that are his peers. I’ve dreamed of him riding my husband’s Clem H 
>> but that top tube is just too high for my 4’ 11” kid. 
>>
>> The Cleary bikes don’t take racks, do they? 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>> > On Oct 3, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > We’ve gone Cleary Bikes and then a Clementine we anticipate will fit 
>> them when full grown (M so far). As an inbetween step, we could also go 
>> with a small Clementine. The “L” allows great flexability in sizing. But 
>> we’ve all lassies, and I wouldn’t have been seen dead on a “girls” bike 
>> growing up, though I’ve no problem with the idea now and most mountain 
>> bikes are nearly girls bikes anyroad. Grin. 
>> > 
>> > With abandon, 
>> > Patrick 
>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Billie bar / choco bar

[J L]

Thanks Joe,

That was my thinking too. Looks like the Billie is in between in terms of rise. 
Billie is also wider... because the handles go back further? 

Good to know that functionally they are familiar. That is what i was hoping to 
find. 


> On Oct 3, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> I've used Albas (a bunch of them, steel and alu) and one Choco-Norm. IMO 
> either bar could pass for the other with a stem length-and-rise change to 
> match where the other was on your bike. Therefore if you like Albas but want 
> less rise and further reach-back, you'll like the Choco. 
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[RBW] Billie bar / choco bar

[Joe Bernard]

I've used Albas (a bunch of them, steel and alu) and one Choco-Norm. IMO either 
bar could pass for the other with a stem length-and-rise change to match where 
the other was on your bike. Therefore if you like Albas but want less rise and 
further reach-back, you'll like the Choco. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Rod Holland]

I drove over to JP this afternoon and found the bike. "So, whaddya think?" 
I said. "Take me home," said the bike. So I did.





Peter, thank you for the heads up! I've been looking for one of these for 
years...

More of this in a bit. I have to raise the seat and go ride the bike now.

rod


On Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 9:39:23 PM UTC-4, Peter H wrote:
>
> I was pleasantly surprised when visiting my LBS yesterday, there on the 
> for sale racks amongst a bunch of used bikes was a gorgeous Rambouillet. 
>
> Tag has it as 58, for $1,500. 
>
> It’s over at Bikes Not Bombs in Jamaica Plain. 
>
> It’s a real beaut! 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/pg9LxRacWXwPb9wT9 
>
> -Peter 

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Re: [RBW] OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

[Leah Peterson]

Shoji, thanks so much for encouraging me to have a second look - if Woom takes 
racks and fenders, this changes everything. I’m sure you’re at work and I don’t 
want to take too much of your time, but if you  don’t mind, can you tell me 
what you’ve liked about the Woom and why you felt it was lesser quality than 
the Islabike? Thanks!!!

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 11:53 AM, Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi BBDD,
> Woom has islets for rack and/or fenders. The Woom6 is for 55" - 65".
> https://us.woombikes.com/products/6
> 
> Woom used to sell a "commuter"-style bike with racks+fenders, but sadly 
> discontinued it. I think it's a USA market thing-- they can't sell them. 
> (Looks like Woom still offers racks+fenders in EU, maybe other markets.)
> 
> This past spring, I bought my 8-yo the Woom5, and purchased fenders+rack from 
> Islabikes. (Woom is a nice bike, and much nicer than most children's bikes. 
> Islabikes is higher quality, IMHO, but I couldn't justify the $100+ 
> difference.)
> 
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA
> 
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 2:19:26 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
> Oh Patrick, therein lies the crux. The cool factor for the teen boy. He has 
> been pretty darn accommodating to all his mother’s whims and staunch beliefs. 
> He eats homemade lunch every single day with weird things like fermented 
> pickles and homemade sourdough, and organic everything. He’ll take the 
> probiotics, drink the bone broth, be the only kid in school who bikes with 
> his mother and brother, won’t cuss, loves good, hates evil, wears a matching 
> leather bicycle cuff like mine. But this? Riding a bonafide girls’ bike that 
> appears to be from bygone times? Oh, no. He would love the Clem L but it 
> would offend the aesthetic sensibilities of the jerks that are his peers. 
> I’ve dreamed of him riding my husband’s Clem H but that top tube is just too 
> high for my 4’ 11” kid. 
> 
> The Cleary bikes don’t take racks, do they? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> > On Oct 3, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
> > > wrote: 
> > 
> > We’ve gone Cleary Bikes and then a Clementine we anticipate will fit them 
> > when full grown (M so far). As an inbetween step, we could also go with a 
> > small Clementine. The “L” allows great flexability in sizing. But we’ve all 
> > lassies, and I wouldn’t have been seen dead on a “girls” bike growing up, 
> > though I’ve no problem with the idea now and most mountain bikes are nearly 
> > girls bikes anyroad. Grin. 
> > 
> > With abandon, 
> > Patrick 
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Re: [RBW] OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

[Eric Daume]

At 12, can he fit on an XS adult bike? My then 10 year old got an XS Trek
FX for his birthday a few years back, now he’s creeping up on adult medium
sized bikes at 5’1” it so (I buy a size up so there’s room to grow, pretty
easy with sloping top tubes these days)

Eric

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, Islabikes announced yesterday afternoon they are shutting the doors
> to the US office in Portland. The bikes and gear are all discounted and I
> was so excited to get my hands on the Beinn 27 for my 7th grader. Alas,
> they are SOLD OUT. As of now, the UK headquarters does not and will not
> ship to US. There are 3 companies Islabikes recommended: Woom, Cleary and
> Prevelo. None have a nice commuter option like Islabikes did. I'm so, so
> disappointed.
>
> Do any of you have a recommendation for a bike to fit a 12.5 year old? I
> see that the major bike companies offer only adult sizes at this point. I
> want something that will take a rack so we can do our school commute. He
> currently rides a Specialized Hot Rock 24 incher that he's had since FIRST
> GRADE. It's been a wonderful bike. My younger son rides a little Islabike
> and needs to size up, so that Specialized is going to be his. Thanks in
> advance for your help - and if you need a great kid bike at a discount,
> maybe Islabikes will still have the size you need.
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Re: [RBW] OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi BBDD,
Woom has islets for rack and/or fenders. The Woom6 is for 55" - 65".
https://us.woombikes.com/products/6

Woom used to sell a "commuter"-style bike with racks+fenders, but sadly 
discontinued it. I think it's a USA market thing-- they can't sell them. 
(Looks like Woom still offers racks+fenders in EU, maybe other markets.)

This past spring, I bought my 8-yo the Woom5, and purchased fenders+rack 
from Islabikes. (Woom is a nice bike, and much nicer than most children's 
bikes. Islabikes is higher quality, IMHO, but I couldn't justify the $100+ 
difference.)

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA

 

On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 2:19:26 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Oh Patrick, therein lies the crux. The cool factor for the teen boy. He 
> has been pretty darn accommodating to all his mother’s whims and staunch 
> beliefs. He eats homemade lunch every single day with weird things like 
> fermented pickles and homemade sourdough, and organic everything. He’ll 
> take the probiotics, drink the bone broth, be the only kid in school who 
> bikes with his mother and brother, won’t cuss, loves good, hates evil, 
> wears a matching leather bicycle cuff like mine. But this? Riding a 
> bonafide girls’ bike that appears to be from bygone times? Oh, no. He would 
> love the Clem L but it would offend the aesthetic sensibilities of the 
> jerks that are his peers. I’ve dreamed of him riding my husband’s Clem H 
> but that top tube is just too high for my 4’ 11” kid. 
>
> The Cleary bikes don’t take racks, do they? 
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Oct 3, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote: 
> > 
> > We’ve gone Cleary Bikes and then a Clementine we anticipate will fit 
> them when full grown (M so far). As an inbetween step, we could also go 
> with a small Clementine. The “L” allows great flexability in sizing. But 
> we’ve all lassies, and I wouldn’t have been seen dead on a “girls” bike 
> growing up, though I’ve no problem with the idea now and most mountain 
> bikes are nearly girls bikes anyroad. Grin. 
> > 
> > With abandon, 
> > Patrick 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Och, well. Worth a shot. He’s well ahead of where I was then. No need to push 
things over a top tube. Grin. Your shop should be able to mount racks on Cleary 
Bikes via P-clamps by being a bit creative. Folks here do on Rivs et al without 
brazons by that method. Call them and talk with them at Cleary. They were great 
to work with. I’m unaware of those other options. They didn’t exist when we 
bought for four, and we’ve been able to spread things out well, so haven’t 
needed more of the same size till their adult bikes.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

[Leah Peterson]

Oh Patrick, therein lies the crux. The cool factor for the teen boy. He has 
been pretty darn accommodating to all his mother’s whims and staunch beliefs. 
He eats homemade lunch every single day with weird things like fermented 
pickles and homemade sourdough, and organic everything. He’ll take the 
probiotics, drink the bone broth, be the only kid in school who bikes with his 
mother and brother, won’t cuss, loves good, hates evil, wears a matching 
leather bicycle cuff like mine. But this? Riding a bonafide girls’ bike that 
appears to be from bygone times? Oh, no. He would love the Clem L but it would 
offend the aesthetic sensibilities of the jerks that are his peers. I’ve 
dreamed of him riding my husband’s Clem H but that top tube is just too high 
for my 4’ 11” kid.

The Cleary bikes don’t take racks, do they? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 10:34 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> We’ve gone Cleary Bikes and then a Clementine we anticipate will fit them 
> when full grown (M so far). As an inbetween step, we could also go with a 
> small Clementine. The “L” allows great flexability in sizing. But we’ve all 
> lassies, and I wouldn’t have been seen dead on a “girls” bike growing up, 
> though I’ve no problem with the idea now and most mountain bikes are nearly 
> girls bikes anyroad. Grin.
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Reed Kennedy]

Interesting Bruce! That's not what I would have expected. Were the Nord and
the Ram built up and fit similarly?

Curious about the brakes in particular. I originally had my Nord set up
some dual pivot calipers, which I did not like. Power was fair, but
modulation poor. They made me uncomfortable on dirt. I worried I would
jiggle my grip over a bump and lock a wheel. I replaced them with a pair of
Paul Racer M brakes driven by Gevenalle (Tektro) levers, and it is now the
best braking bike I own.

I haven't heard of TIG vs lugs effecting frame flexibility or ride quality
before, but it'd be curious to learn more. Any engineers out there who
would care to comment?

Have fun at the Southern Magnolia Century! That sounds like a lovely place
for a ride.


Best,
Reed

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 8:34 AM Bruce Herbitter 
wrote:

> Hi Reed:
>
> I test rode a Norvindian owned by a fellow cyclist in Mobile.  I found it
> much less lively than my Ram.  She loves it however.  Maybe lugs vs welds?
>   The Ram is fine on gravel with fat tires.  I did a gravel grind on Pasela
> 1 1/2” and ride was okay.  I was leery of the brakes on steep loose down
> hills and canti or disc would be my suggestion for gravel. On packed clay
> the bike as is is fine.
> Have a super ride. Mine will be in Saucier MS this weekend for the
> Southern Magnolia Century.  A cousin of my wife from LA is meeting me to
> ride the New Albion Starling I built for her.  There’s a riv ish brand at a
> lower price point too. Very good ride.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 3, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Reed Kennedy  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:51 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
>
>> I have a 58 Ram and 57 Rom and there does feel like a difference. I
>> wonder if it is in my head. They are built similar but different wheels.
>> The models are the same geometry and supposedly 98% the same. The Ram feels
>> like a more flexible lovely ride. Perhaps it is just the color orange. At
>> some point I’ll probably post a Romulus for sale. I am 210 so anything
>> thinner then 858 probably would be a bad idea.
>
>
> Food for thought: I weigh 201 pounds and my 61 cm Rawland Nordavinden
> works extremely well for me. That frame uses a standard diameter 7/4/7 top
> tube and standard diameter 8/5/8 downtube:
>
> http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2012/07/nordavinden-geometry-and-specifications.html
>
> Taking in to account the narrower diameter tubing, this frame is
> significantly more flexible than an 8/5/8 oversized frame. Leaves me
> wondering: Am I special? Or do folks tend to over-estimate the tubing
> needed by larger riders?
>
> I’ll be riding it on the New England Randonneurs Fall Classic 120k this
> Saturday. Curious to see how it holds up on an 85% dirt route!
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Rod, my subjective experience is similar to yours. My A. Homer Hilsen
has a different feel than my Nordavinden, which in turn feels different
than my MAP. I have subjective thoughts on which of them "feel" fastest,
but none of them hold me back significantly in my non-competitive
randonneuring.

I personally believe that bike fit is by far the most important factor.
After that, running high supple tires seems to make the second biggest
difference. Once I've optimized those two things, having a frame that
flexes in a way that works for me comes third. Weight, within a couple
pounds, comes a distance fourth for me when it comes to optimal performance.

Which is to say, I recommend getting your tires and fit dialed in as
perfectly as possible before you even begin to worry about frame flex or
weight!


Best,
Reed

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 8:33 AM Rod Holland  wrote:

> Reed,
>
> I'll raise you a few pounds. At 227, I'm very happy with the lively
> handling of my 58 cm Nordavinden. I'm also delighted with my two Surly LHT
> variants (700c and 26"), and my Ebisu All Purpose. I can tell the
> difference in handling among them, of course, but can ride any of them fast
> and far, over a gamut of surfaces. I'm running Compass or Grand Bois ELs on
> all of them, and that has no doubt improved the ride experience in all
> cases.
>
> rod
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[RBW] Billie bar / choco bar

[J L]

Hello rivsters,

I have been looking for a new upright bar. I love love love albatross bars with 
the handles angled down about 10° - that is the end of the bars point toward 
the rear hub.

What are peoples experience with the billie and choco bars? They look similar 
to albatross but with less rise. I want to try one of them set up almost like a 
flat bar with swept back handles. I am looking for a slightly more swept back 
Jitensha bar (nitto b2522). I plan to cut the bar ends to the length I want. 

Thoughts? Other options. 

Thanks
Jason

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times!

[Kenneth Peyton]

Hi,
   Thank you Kevin for the background.  That helps explain  the
peculiarities of the Waterford built well-used All Rounder I bought from
Mt. Airy Bicyles about 4 years ago. It has a thinner seatpost, for
example.  It had a few dents; a little rust, and I had to change post and
stem to get it to fit. It must be about the same size as yours.   I really
like it.  I paid $2,000.  Hope you get a good buyer.
Best,
Ken P., Alexandria, Va.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:03 PM kevin spicher  wrote:

> To those that are interested, please keep in mind this is a Waterford
> Rivendell, and if memory serves me correctly, they were all custom. In
> 1997/1998 you could not drive over to Riv and pick up a frame. They were
> built to your size, specs, color, lug paint details, etc. You put down a
> deposit and waited while it was hand built and hand painted. When it
> arrived at Riv they built it up with the parts you chose from their
> catalog. This was our process. I was sized at Riv by Grant, I believe my
> wife was as well.
>
> There have been a lot of questions about size, and I realize this is very
> important, but top tube length and standover height should be enough detail
> to determine if this bike will fit. A lot of adjustments can be made with
> saddle height, stem length, stem height, crank length etc.
>
> If you are interested, please make an offer, I will take the post down on
> Fri.
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:00:52 PM UTC-7, KenP wrote:
>>
>> Cyclofiend web has an image of the specs for the early bikes:
>> http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:26:40 AM UTC-4, kevin spicher wrote:
>>>
>>> I will continue to post all requested measurements I receive via email.
>>> 20 3/4" from center of crank bolt to top of top tube.
>>> I think this is the most this bike has ever been measured. :-)
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:46:35 AM UTC-7, kevin spicher wrote:

 21 1/2" TTL from center of head tube to center of seat tube.

 On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-7, kevin spicher wrote:
>
> Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times. Bought in 1997 (I
> think, could have been 1998)
>
> This is my wifes bike, she is 5'7" 32" inseam.
>
> I'm selling it for her because she is not interested in riding it and
> she would like to sell it.
>
>
> Will ship if buyer pays shipping, and details how and where bike is to
> be shipped from (specific bike shop etc.)
>
> Bike is located in Phoenix AZ
>
> $1500.00 or best offer.
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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Garth]

Around here in this little corner of O-Hi-O there are few cyclists. I once 
saw another cyclist about a month I go, thought I do see banana peels on 
the side of the road more often, maybe once every 2-3 weeks.  I guess 
tossing the peel into the grass must just be too laborious for the poor 
soul  hah !  The "bike store" in town is Wally World(that's Wal-Mart 
for the unimaginable). Always stocked with fresh bikes ready to roll off 
the shiny "showroom floor"  kinda literally !

   I did meet one cyclists a few years back, a lawyerly fella who knew what 
a Rivendell Bombadill sorta was at least, but apparently it was unworthy 
compared to the plas-tique space ship he was riding   Va va varm 
and away he went into the statosphere faster than light . onto the 
wings of angels I suppose ..or so the promise goes . ahahahahahaa ! 

   Someone did compliment the ol' warhorse once though  "Hey ... you 
ride that old thing everywhere " .   Yes I do ... I certainly do ! 

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[RBW] Re: handlebar/stem bags - what do people like?

[Birdman]

I just got a Pedal Bikes Shoot Film stem mount camera bag from Rivelo/Randi Jo. 
It’s an excellent size with decent padding, waterproof fabric, and a rolltop 
design. I use it with a rangefinder, but it fits my FM2, Olympus OM1, and Nikon 
F3 with pancake 50mm. Highly recommended! You can find it on Rivelo’s website.
Isaac in PDX

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[RBW] OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

We’ve gone Cleary Bikes and then a Clementine we anticipate will fit them when 
full grown (M so far). As an inbetween step, we could also go with a small 
Clementine. The “L” allows great flexability in sizing. But we’ve all lassies, 
and I wouldn’t have been seen dead on a “girls” bike growing up, though I’ve no 
problem with the idea now and most mountain bikes are nearly girls bikes 
anyroad. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Northeast Riv Unmeeting 2018, Interest/Headcount, Columbus Day Weekend

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Shoot!  Sorry to hear that Marc, I'll spread the word


I had a chance to prove most of the route the other day.  I also stumbled 
across a convenience store and a sandwich/ice cream shop about 4 miles from 
the cabins.  Since it's directly on our route down I figure we can grab 
dinner to go and maybe some breakfast supplies there.

Day two we have a couple food stops in the loop and I figure we can make a 
trip up to the store for a dinner re-supply Sunday night.

The routes may vary a little bit but here's the three days of routes for 
simplicity I used google maps:

Day 1
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Pittsford+Community+Library,+24+State+St,+Pittsford,+NY+14534/Onanda+Park,+County+Road+16,+Canandaigua,+NY/@42.936249,-77.5347786,11z/data=!4m15!4m14!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d134df192da4af:0x3ace1875a56ec4b6!2m2!1d-77.5132719!2d43.0904602!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d122716b4fe415:0xcf114124a043ec01!2m2!1d-77.314276!2d42.782099!3e1!5i1

Day 2
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Onanda+Park,+County+Road+16,+Canandaigua,+NY/Brew+%26+Brats+at+Arbor+Hill,+Naples,+NY/Lock's+Stock+%26+Barrel,+New+York+64,+Canandaigua,+NY/Onanda+Park,+County+Road+16,+Canandaigua,+NY/@42.7481626,-77.3953918,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m31!4m30!1m10!1m1!1s0x89d122716b4fe415:0xcf114124a043ec01!2m2!1d-77.314276!2d42.782099!3m4!1m2!1d-77.3393653!2d42.7444655!3s0x89d118515628f613:0xf277bcd6c77ff5e7!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d110aac597ded9:0xa773fa1f2bc1a644!2m2!1d-77.379806!2d42.707171!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d117a2ff67e1ff:0x26af984ba0d12ca5!2m2!1d-77.4043076!2d42.7560736!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d122716b4fe415:0xcf114124a043ec01!2m2!1d-77.314276!2d42.782099!3e1

Day 3
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Onanda+Park,+County+Road+16,+Canandaigua,+NY/Twisted+Rail+Brewing+Co.,+Main+Street,+Macedon,+NY/Pittsford+Community+Library,+State+Street,+Pittsford,+NY/@42.9433365,-77.5347069,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m20!4m19!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d122716b4fe415:0xcf114124a043ec01!2m2!1d-77.314276!2d42.782099!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d12cbb3036eb9b:0x33fd6abaf859bf9a!2m2!1d-77.2985457!2d43.0695535!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d134df192da4af:0x3ace1875a56ec4b6!2m2!1d-77.5132719!2d43.0904602!3e1

Note day two has some rather short & steep elevation changes, granny gears 
welcome (I'll probably walk a few).  Rewards include some pretty fun/long 
downhills and some killer panoramas of the lake.

Also, I'm thinking of bringing a fishing rodI've been to this little 
park before and there's always people fishing from the short/small pier.

Just a thought...if anyone wants to join for part of the trip you are 
welcome to do thatespecially so since Marc has a cabin up for graps.  
Carpe diem

Cheers,

Alex


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[RBW] OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Well, Islabikes announced yesterday afternoon they are shutting the doors to 
the US office in Portland. The bikes and gear are all discounted and I was so 
excited to get my hands on the Beinn 27 for my 7th grader. Alas, they are SOLD 
OUT. As of now, the UK headquarters does not and will not ship to US. There are 
3 companies Islabikes recommended: Woom, Cleary and Prevelo. None have a nice 
commuter option like Islabikes did. I'm so, so disappointed.

Do any of you have a recommendation for a bike to fit a 12.5 year old? I see 
that the major bike companies offer only adult sizes at this point. I want 
something that will take a rack so we can do our school commute. He currently 
rides a Specialized Hot Rock 24 incher that he's had since FIRST GRADE. It's 
been a wonderful bike. My younger son rides a little Islabike and needs to size 
up, so that Specialized is going to be his. Thanks in advance for your help - 
and if you need a great kid bike at a discount, maybe Islabikes will still have 
the size you need.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times!

[kevin spicher]

To those that are interested, please keep in mind this is a Waterford 
Rivendell, and if memory serves me correctly, they were all custom. In 
1997/1998 you could not drive over to Riv and pick up a frame. They were 
built to your size, specs, color, lug paint details, etc. You put down a 
deposit and waited while it was hand built and hand painted. When it 
arrived at Riv they built it up with the parts you chose from their 
catalog. This was our process. I was sized at Riv by Grant, I believe my 
wife was as well.

There have been a lot of questions about size, and I realize this is very 
important, but top tube length and standover height should be enough detail 
to determine if this bike will fit. A lot of adjustments can be made with 
saddle height, stem length, stem height, crank length etc. 

If you are interested, please make an offer, I will take the post down on 
Fri.
Thanks



On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 4:00:52 PM UTC-7, KenP wrote:
>
> Cyclofiend web has an image of the specs for the early bikes: 
> http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg
>
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 11:26:40 AM UTC-4, kevin spicher wrote:
>>
>> I will continue to post all requested measurements I receive via email.
>> 20 3/4" from center of crank bolt to top of top tube. 
>> I think this is the most this bike has ever been measured. :-)
>>
>> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 8:46:35 AM UTC-7, kevin spicher wrote:
>>>
>>> 21 1/2" TTL from center of head tube to center of seat tube.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 30, 2018 at 10:32:22 AM UTC-7, kevin spicher wrote:

 Rivendell All Rounder ridden less than 10 times. Bought in 1997 (I 
 think, could have been 1998)

 This is my wifes bike, she is 5'7" 32" inseam.

 I'm selling it for her because she is not interested in riding it and 
 she would like to sell it.


 Will ship if buyer pays shipping, and details how and where bike is to 
 be shipped from (specific bike shop etc.)

 Bike is located in Phoenix AZ

 $1500.00 or best offer.

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

[Garth]

As for the Terry tire being 650c/571 . "c" *must* be for *Cookie* ;-)
Cookie Cookie Cookie !  more Cookies !


Obviously a typo for the Panaracer , stuff happens even for bike parts 
dealers. I guess no cookie for them !  hardy har har  .

Still, this one is listed too ...   
https://www.modernbike.com/ritchey-tom-slick-wcs-k-tire-27.5-650b-x-1.1

Tom must like Cookies. 




On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 7:39:02 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> Interesting.,  Notethe claimed sizes.  1.75 is 1 3/4".  That should be 
> what in mm?  44.  And yet, the copy says this is a 25mm tire.  Does that 
> make even the slightest bit of sense?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

It's car-centric here, and it's rare I get a compliment that isn't "nice beach 
cruiser" or "How do you get up the hill with no gears?" in regards to my Betty 
Foy. But yesterday I had her in for repairs and the owner of the shop was 
complimenting me on my bike and telling me what a pleasure it was to take it 
for a test ride when he had finished the work. So smooth! So comfortable! 

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Runner I passed as I stumped up the trail on my Hunqabeam: “Nice bike! What is 
it?” “A Rivendell.” Without missing a beat she said “I figured it was Petersen, 
with a top tube like that.” 

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Hi Reed:

I test rode a Norvindian owned by a fellow cyclist in Mobile.  I found it much 
less lively than my Ram.  She loves it however.  Maybe lugs vs welds?   The Ram 
is fine on gravel with fat tires.  I did a gravel grind on Pasela 1 1/2” and 
ride was okay.  I was leery of the brakes on steep loose down hills and canti 
or disc would be my suggestion for gravel. On packed clay the bike as is is 
fine.  
Have a super ride. Mine will be in Saucier MS this weekend for the Southern 
Magnolia Century.  A cousin of my wife from LA is meeting me to ride the New 
Albion Starling I built for her.  There’s a riv ish brand at a lower price 
point too. Very good ride.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Reed Kennedy  wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:51 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
> 
>> I have a 58 Ram and 57 Rom and there does feel like a difference. I wonder 
>> if it is in my head. They are built similar but different wheels. The models 
>> are the same geometry and supposedly 98% the same. The Ram feels like a more 
>> flexible lovely ride. Perhaps it is just the color orange. At some point 
>> I’ll probably post a Romulus for sale. I am 210 so anything thinner then 858 
>> probably would be a bad idea.
> 
> Food for thought: I weigh 201 pounds and my 61 cm Rawland Nordavinden works 
> extremely well for me. That frame uses a standard diameter 7/4/7 top tube and 
> standard diameter 8/5/8 downtube:
> http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2012/07/nordavinden-geometry-and-specifications.html
> 
> Taking in to account the narrower diameter tubing, this frame is 
> significantly more flexible than an 8/5/8 oversized frame. Leaves me 
> wondering: Am I special? Or do folks tend to over-estimate the tubing needed 
> by larger riders?
> 
> I’ll be riding it on the New England Randonneurs Fall Classic 120k this 
> Saturday. Curious to see how it holds up on an 85% dirt route!
> 
> 
> Best, 
> Reed
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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[M D Smith]

Many years ago, I did a MS ride on Martha’s Vinyard on my then new All’rounder.

The entire field of riders were on mid to upper level aluminum or carbon Treks, 
Specializeds, etc.  (This was ‘04 or so right in the middle of the Lance 
hysteria years.) As we were pulling in to one of the rest areas I overhear one 
of the event mechanics say to another “Oh, a Rivendell.  At least someone’s 
bringing a little class.”

That put a smile on my face for the rest of the ride.

Cheers- Mike, keeping it classy in Somerville, MA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Rod Holland]

Reed,

I'll raise you a few pounds. At 227, I'm very happy with the lively handling of 
my 58 cm Nordavinden. I'm also delighted with my two Surly LHT variants (700c 
and 26"), and my Ebisu All Purpose. I can tell the difference in handling among 
them, of course, but can ride any of them fast and far, over a gamut of 
surfaces. I'm running Compass or Grand Bois ELs on all of them, and that has no 
doubt improved the ride experience in all cases.

rod

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sadly, I missed a chance to "nice bike" someone last weekend :-(  Someone 
riding the other way, I noticed the canvas looking handlebar bag first, 
then what looked like moustache bars and that the rider may have been 
female(?) but then we'd passed each other.  I gotta be quicker on the 
uptake and make eye contact if I'm going to meet others this way.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Reed Kennedy]

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:51 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:

> I have a 58 Ram and 57 Rom and there does feel like a difference. I wonder
> if it is in my head. They are built similar but different wheels. The
> models are the same geometry and supposedly 98% the same. The Ram feels
> like a more flexible lovely ride. Perhaps it is just the color orange. At
> some point I’ll probably post a Romulus for sale. I am 210 so anything
> thinner then 858 probably would be a bad idea.


Food for thought: I weigh 201 pounds and my 61 cm Rawland Nordavinden works
extremely well for me. That frame uses a standard diameter 7/4/7 top tube
and standard diameter 8/5/8 downtube:
http://rawlandcycles.blogspot.com/2012/07/nordavinden-geometry-and-specifications.html

Taking in to account the narrower diameter tubing, this frame is
significantly more flexible than an 8/5/8 oversized frame. Leaves me
wondering: Am I special? Or do folks tend to over-estimate the tubing
needed by larger riders?

I’ll be riding it on the New England Randonneurs Fall Classic 120k this
Saturday. Curious to see how it holds up on an 85% dirt route!


Best,
Reed

>

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[RBW] Re: handlebar/stem bags - what do people like?

[phil k]

One thing I do not like about the GB bags is the strap that attaches to the 
tombstone. I wish it had tighter tolerances.

On Friday, September 28, 2018 at 4:13:15 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> The Berthoud GB25 is a fantastic bag if you are not concerned about 
> weight. Empty, and without stiffner, it is 600+ grams.
> You would also need a front rack to support it.
> But it has so much function, it is worth it if you are a string rider and 
> not weight concerned.
>
> I have one for sale if interested, PM me. I have a FS thread here about 
> it, too.
>
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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

[Jonathan D.]

I have a 58 Ram and 57 Rom and there does feel like a difference. I wonder if 
it is in my head. They are built similar but different wheels. The models are 
the same geometry and supposedly 98% the same. The Ram feels like a more 
flexible lovely ride. Perhaps it is just the color orange. At some point I’ll 
probably post a Romulus for sale. I am 210 so anything thinner then 858 
probably would be a bad idea. 

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[RBW] Re: Heard my first "Hey, nice Riv!" today. Felt chuffed

[bo richardson]

my favorite call out was a couple of summers ago. I was riding from Bellingham 
to Seattle
and was depleted in Snohomish. I bought a pint of HaganDasz and went to sit 
down off the street by the river.
A rather overweight fellow and his girlfriend were up by the wall quite a ways 
away staring a bit. I thought they might be hostiles till the fellow yelled 
“nice Rivendell”.

Why do I never learn not to judge people by their appearance?
Boy that was some good ice cream.

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[RBW] Re: Feedback? Velo Orange Double Kickstand

[Tom Wyland]

The comment about my"heavier" kickstand isn't the VO but one that looks 
like this (images below). It's steel and doesn't fold. I think it's a 
Sunlite brand..

 I still wouldn't trust a kid on a bike that is up on this kickstand unless 
you're holding it.  You can also find more sturdy ones that are more 
U-shaped like these , but they are 
super wide and need to be well out of range of your heels/pedals.




[image: Kickstand.JPG]



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[RBW] Re: Northeast Riv Unmeeting 2018, Interest/Headcount, Columbus Day Weekend

[Marc Irwin]

Well Crap!!   A family situation has come up and I have to bail on this 
trip.  I was really looking forward to it.  I have a cabin (Tilipe) 
reserved and paid for, if anybody wants it I'll let the town clerk know so 
you can use it.

Marc

On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 at 1:09:23 PM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> You should come Deborah!  
>
> On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 11:27:12 AM UTC-4, Deborah Coffin wrote:
>>
>> This sounds so fun. I’m so tempted to join you.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/03/2018 06:02 AM, Garth wrote:
 Modern Bike website lists a 25 and 28mm 
 https://www.modernbike.com/650b---27.5-tires . Refine width on 
the left side.


Interesting.,  Notethe claimed sizes.  1.75 is 1 3/4".  That should be 
what in mm?  44.  And yet, the copy says this is a 25mm tire. Does that 
make even the slightest bit of sense?



 Panaracer Pasela 27.5 x 1.75 Wire Bead Black/Gum

your price $34.29

BuyBuy  PART NUM 434220
Panaracer Pasela 27.5 x 1.75 Wire Bead Black/Gum 
 



 * Hybrid commuter tire with raised center for low rolling resistance.
 * Type: Urban
 * Size: 27.5 x 1.75
 * ISO: 584
 * Bead: Wire
 * Tread/SideWall: Black/Gum
 * PSI: 90
 * TPI: 60

Width: 25 mm 

Tire Type: Clincher 

Color: Black/Gum 

Tire Bead: Wire 







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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/03/2018 07:07 AM, Garth wrote:


  A Terry Tellus tire also 
.  http://www.terrybicycles.com/accessories/tires-tubes-1/tellus-pt-tire-x-c-

/
/Quoting from the web site linked to above:
//

/There are a lot of bikes designed for //*650c/571 *//mm tires, but 
until recently, only very narrow widths have been available in this 
size. The Terry Tellus is the first //*650c tire offered in a 28mm 
width*//. The Tellus PT improves on the original Tellus by adding PT 
protection technology which provides a nearly inpenetrable layer of tire 
protection -- three times more puncture resistance than a kevlar belted 
tire of the same approximate weight. Max inflation pressure: 107 psi; 
weight 317.5 g (11.2 oz)./


So no, not a narrow 650B tire at all.



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[RBW] Re: Velocity Atlas Road Wheelset 650b Rim Brakes & Compass Loup Pass Tires

[RDS]

Tires are sold.

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 7:47:27 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> Lightly used wheelset for sale.  Velocity Atlas (purchased from Velocity) 
> road wheelset in size 650B.  Velocity hubs.  Front 36 spokes.  Rear 40 
> spokes.  Rim Brakes.  130 rear spacing.  They have less than 20 miles on 
> the rims.  I sold the frame that I was going to use them on, so I no longer 
> have use for them.  Purchased earlier this year from Velocity.  Paid $400+, 
> I'll take $250 + plus shipping to continental USA.  Contact me off list.
>
> I also have 2 Compass Loup/Loup Pass tires for sale in size 650x38.  Less 
> than 20 miles on them.  Plenty of good tread remaining.  I'll take $50 
> shipped to continental USA (that includes shipping).  I have the schwalbe 
> tubes to go along with it if you want those included.  Contact me off list.
>
> Paypal friends and family for payment.
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=19dPb1hda09j883FtdDBEQ4HoUmvN_4rH
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[RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

[Garth]

  A Terry Tellus tire also 
.  http://www.terrybicycles.com/accessories/tires-tubes-1/tellus-pt-tire-x-c-


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[RBW] Re: 650b narrow tires

[Garth]

 Modern Bike website lists a 25 and 28mm 
 https://www.modernbike.com/650b---27.5-tires . Refine width on the 
left side. 


On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 at 5:50:21 PM UTC-4, G.E. wrote:
>
> I realize this is a strange thing to be asking (particularly here, since 
> most are riding wider tires), and normally I'd be looking for the widest 
> possible tire to fit on a bike myself, but I'm curious if anyone has seen 
> and/or used a 650b tire that is 30mm or narrower? I've seen a couple of 
> options in a 32mm, but am specifically hunting for something narrower than 
> that. Though it's unlikely to exist, I thought perhaps someone may have run 
> across a tire of this sort.
>
> Thanks in advance! 
>

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