[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Collin A]

Looks swanky, though personal preference for me is flat bars with cushy 
grips when it comes to rough off-roading; having my hands in the hoods 
while i'm getting bounced around at any noticeable speed just isn't 
comfortable for me and my thumb wedges. 

The idea of just riding your bike with what works and not always looking at 
what the trends are or what the "best" bike/gear/tech for a situation seems 
very Riv.

Happy riding everyone,
Collin

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 10:22:38 AM UTC-8, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> Check out this Radavist article. 
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/?no_cache=1=IwAR2wUcRjIMLbddCD5n4U4xA6rikEuINj9y-XjlIZfnJOQgsysE7OwTA6N4o#1
>
> Yes, you can ride a Rivendell like an MTB and have a ton of fun doing it. 
> Man, I wish I were tall enough to get a second top tube Riv, because I 
> think they look awesome. 
>
>
>
> This is a great setup for an off road Rivendell, but I would go with a 
> Cambium saddle instead of a leather one, personally, but whatever. I 
> haven't used drop bars on an off road bike except for cyclocross stuff, and 
> those bars I've always felt were too narrow. Not these; check out the width 
> of the bars...just wonderful. I have to try and get a similar bike together 
> as I just bought a set of these bars in 615 length. I was thinking about 
> installing them on my Appaloosa but I'm really digging the Bullmoose bars I 
> have on it right now. 
>
> Huh, might need another frame now. 
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Steven Sweedler]

I met Bene in northern New Mexico in what was the low point of my Great
Divide ride in 2016. We stopped to talk and he assured me I was near the
end of what seemed like an endless climb. The day before I was caught in a
downpour that turned the trail into a slippery mud hole, my bike had pounds
of dried mud stuck to it. Nothing but positive feelings about my encounter.
  Steve

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 8:34 PM Drw  wrote:

> I don’t know how to do the thumbs up emoji thing here. But thumbs up
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[RBW] Re: Just your average Clem Smith.... not!

[Collin A]

Yeah, no kidding. And here I thought I was being lavish with a custom 
framebag and a dynamo system. I haven't seen too many rohloff'd Rivs, and 
looking at the mounting system required, I can see why.

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 1:33:56 PM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> No affiliation to the seller and have no knowledge of the bike... but 
> wow!?  Possibly the most lavished upon Clem in the world.  Not saying it 
> shouldn't be done, but still... Makes me laugh to think how builds can take 
> on a life - and budget - of their own.
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-with-rohloff/6788752899.html
>
> Bob
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Mark Schneider]

Mark Schneider liked your email

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Drw]

I don’t know how to do the thumbs up emoji thing here. But thumbs up

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Justin, Oakland]

To be clear: I think he’s a good advocate. He’s been amazing at being 
supportive of lots of capital G good causes and businesses. That is awesome. 
You can be an advocate for bikes no matter what your identity is. And you 
can/should be an ally then as well! It takes a little more care to do it in a 
way that isn’t othering and it’s been really great to see Bene (as well as 
Crust, the Radavist, a multitude of other fellow white dudes on bikes) grow 
into handling the issues of inclusion, representation and challenging the 
status quo. 

Two thumbs up for Bene. 

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Jeremy Till]

Lester, no, it's a drainage channel leading to the American River, just off 
the bike trail that parallels it, in Sacramento, CA. 

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 2:11:47 PM UTC-8, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> Jeremy. Is that the LA River in your bike pic? 
>
> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 5:27:50 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>
>> I've been riding a long chainstay Rivendell 
>> 
>>  
>> with fancy Shimano v-brakes, double chainrings, and no front derailleur as 
>> an MTB for the past 2.5 years. Guess I'm just ahead of the curve. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 10:22:38 AM UTC-8, Ryan M. wrote:
>>>
>>> Check out this Radavist article. 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/?no_cache=1=IwAR2wUcRjIMLbddCD5n4U4xA6rikEuINj9y-XjlIZfnJOQgsysE7OwTA6N4o#1
>>>
>>> Yes, you can ride a Rivendell like an MTB and have a ton of fun doing 
>>> it. Man, I wish I were tall enough to get a second top tube Riv, because I 
>>> think they look awesome. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a great setup for an off road Rivendell, but I would go with a 
>>> Cambium saddle instead of a leather one, personally, but whatever. I 
>>> haven't used drop bars on an off road bike except for cyclocross stuff, and 
>>> those bars I've always felt were too narrow. Not these; check out the width 
>>> of the bars...just wonderful. I have to try and get a similar bike together 
>>> as I just bought a set of these bars in 615 length. I was thinking about 
>>> installing them on my Appaloosa but I'm really digging the Bullmoose bars I 
>>> have on it right now. 
>>>
>>> Huh, might need another frame now. 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Cody Bartz]

YES! to Drw and John G. - We are a positive and supportive group here. 

- Cody

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 10:14:27 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> Drw said: "(Also maybe let’s try to not discourage advocates from being 
> advocates because they themselves happen to be of the current majority. 
> It’s not helpful to anyone IMHO. I see more diversity in his and his 
> girlfriend’s feed than about anywhere else in the popular cycling world. It 
> isn’t perfect but it’s something)."
>
> To which I say AMEN and Well Said! I posted about this over at iBob: went 
> on the 50 miler at the Nutmeg Nor'Easter, and noticed two things: 1) he can 
> shred the hell out of his Sam Hillborne, and he genuinely seemed to give a 
> shit that everyone on the ride felt welcome, no matter what they were 
> riding or how they looked.
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 9:50:57 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>>
>> I don’t know. He’s a little cartoony but definitely seems smart enough to 
>> own all the cliches. I’ve seen more than 1 (5) thing he did that I thought, 
>> “woah. Cool. Haven’t seen that in that way before.” I’m happy he’s repping 
>> rivendells and maybe I’m dumb but I don’t think he’d do it if he didn’t 
>> like them I mean they can’t be paying him much and I bet there are 
>> a lot of other companies offering a lot more money. 
>>
>> I also think that Atlantis is bad ass. 
>>
>> Anyway, I’m just a straight white dude who only takes his shirt off when 
>> swimming and would really rather have it on then too. 
>>
>> (Also maybe let’s try to not discourage advocates from being advocates 
>> because they themselves happen to be of the current majority. It’s not 
>> helpful to anyone IMHO. I see more diversity in his and his girlfriend’s 
>> feed than about anywhere else in the popular cycling world. It isn’t 
>> perfect but it’s something). 
>>
>> I’ve never typed “imho” before. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Boyz on the Hoods: 4th Annual Escape from Super Bowl Weekend Campout

[Clayton.sf]

if you can make it I recommend it! I will be coming down from healdsburg and 
will spend the day mtb-ing at annadel. happy to let up with northbay folk and 
bike down there. see you there!?

clayton scott, hbg, ca

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[John G.]

Drw said: "(Also maybe let’s try to not discourage advocates from being 
advocates because they themselves happen to be of the current majority. 
It’s not helpful to anyone IMHO. I see more diversity in his and his 
girlfriend’s feed than about anywhere else in the popular cycling world. It 
isn’t perfect but it’s something)."

To which I say AMEN and Well Said! I posted about this over at iBob: went 
on the 50 miler at the Nutmeg Nor'Easter, and noticed two things: 1) he can 
shred the hell out of his Sam Hillborne, and he genuinely seemed to give a 
shit that everyone on the ride felt welcome, no matter what they were 
riding or how they looked.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 9:50:57 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> I don’t know. He’s a little cartoony but definitely seems smart enough to 
> own all the cliches. I’ve seen more than 1 (5) thing he did that I thought, 
> “woah. Cool. Haven’t seen that in that way before.” I’m happy he’s repping 
> rivendells and maybe I’m dumb but I don’t think he’d do it if he didn’t 
> like them I mean they can’t be paying him much and I bet there are 
> a lot of other companies offering a lot more money. 
>
> I also think that Atlantis is bad ass. 
>
> Anyway, I’m just a straight white dude who only takes his shirt off when 
> swimming and would really rather have it on then too. 
>
> (Also maybe let’s try to not discourage advocates from being advocates 
> because they themselves happen to be of the current majority. It’s not 
> helpful to anyone IMHO. I see more diversity in his and his girlfriend’s 
> feed than about anywhere else in the popular cycling world. It isn’t 
> perfect but it’s something). 
>
> I’ve never typed “imho” before. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Jonathan D.]

I also remember he pushed the Rivendell Hail Mary last year and has been a long 
time supporter. I can’t imagine anyone is making a lot of money here and glad 
to see the publicity for Rivendell. 

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Drw]

I don’t know. He’s a little cartoony but definitely seems smart enough to own 
all the cliches. I’ve seen more than 1 (5) thing he did that I thought, “woah. 
Cool. Haven’t seen that in that way before.” I’m happy he’s repping rivendells 
and maybe I’m dumb but I don’t think he’d do it if he didn’t like them I 
mean they can’t be paying him much and I bet there are a lot of other 
companies offering a lot more money. 

I also think that Atlantis is bad ass. 

Anyway, I’m just a straight white dude who only takes his shirt off when 
swimming and would really rather have it on then too. 

(Also maybe let’s try to not discourage advocates from being advocates because 
they themselves happen to be of the current majority. It’s not helpful to 
anyone IMHO. I see more diversity in his and his girlfriend’s feed than about 
anywhere else in the popular cycling world. It isn’t perfect but it’s 
something). 

I’ve never typed “imho” before.

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Noodle vs. Dirt Drop vs. B135 Randonneur - switching to drop bars with flare

[John Hawrylak]

you stated wrt to B132's  "The B132 has a shallower drop but a longer 
reach, otherwise similar but different sizes available."
True but the B132's have a very shallow ramp angle, about 5° vs the 12° on 
the B177 and more on the B135.  However the B132 ramp is flat and does not 
curve upward like the Compass AVA copy does.  I have B132's on my 88 
Voyaguer and have measured the ramp angle on the bench.  The long ramps 
(due to 132mm reach C-E) allow a hand position behind the hoods.

The Nitto catalog gives a good picture/drawings of the B132 and B135 for 
reference.  The B132 rise is greater (12mm vs 7mm on the B135) and the 
flare is less.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ 

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[sameness]

Helluva beard Little Mack's got going.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 5:03:40 PM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I think Bene'e Fame really skyrocketed when he was photographed at the 
> North American Hand-Built Bicycle Show hanging out with Little Mack Roland.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Lester Lammers]

You won't regret it. I was skeptical but took a leap of faith. No regrets 
whatsoever. It's not a road bike but it's no slug.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 5:25:00 PM UTC-5, Randall Rupp wrote:
>
> I may have to upgrade (more likely add another) at some point.  I like big 
> rubber, and the long wheelbase sounds fun.
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Lester Lammers  > wrote:
>
>> I have a 53 MIT Atlantis w/ Bille bars but could use drop bars with a 
>> short stem. I'm at the bottom of the PBH range. Enough top tube clearance 
>> for the jewels The fit is perfect. I don't think it is as nimble as a 
>> Hillborne but the cloud like ride is exceptional. My heels would never 
>> touch a rear load.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-5, Randall Rupp wrote:
>>>
>>> The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size 
>>> - wow.  I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the 
>>> Atlantis geometry changed.  Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it.  I'm 
>>> sure they both ride swell.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[dougP]

He did a video in which his mother makes a pitch for his luggage.  It was 
something along the lnes of "my son makes the best bike bags so you should 
buy one".  Any commercial you remember is an effective one.  Kinda fun, too.

dougP

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 10:49:45 AM UTC-8, phil k wrote:
>
> Since he popped up on instagram he's never really changed though. He was 
> one of the first people I encountered that converted a threadless to 1" 
> threaded stem. I asked him how he did it and he happily shared his 
> knowledge. I asked him if it was durable, and he shared that he did the 
> whole Arizona trail with it. Even now he still replies to a surprising 
> amount of inquiries. I'm sure he gets tired of answering, "what bars. what 
> tires, what saddle, what derailleur"" questions but he still does it.
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 12:42:45 PM UTC-5, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Bene has been a Riv rider for a long time and is what the kids call an 
>> Influencer. I have lots of issues with straight white shirtless guys on 
>> bikes but UltraBromance has done a lot of good for the cause of practical 
>> bikes with fat tires and mismatched drivetrains. He’s also not orthodox so 
>> he’ll use disc brakes and clicky shifting. I’m glad that most of ironic 
>> co-opting of queer culture has vanished and now he just rides cool bikes 
>> and sells well-thought out goods. 
>>
>> Ignore the marketing and focus on the wares.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Noodle vs. Dirt Drop vs. B135 Randonneur - switching to drop bars with flare

[Paul G]

Nice bit of information.

Regarding the Noodles though, at least on my 44cm version, instead of a 
slight "rise" from the stem clamp area to the ramps, there is a slight 
"drop" in that the tops slope downwards slightly (as well as a bit rearward 
as we know) before curving to the front and becoming the ramps. This is 
when the bars are set up with the ramps roughly horizontal to the ground.

I find that bit of slope down from the stem clamp quite natural and 
ergonomic when riding on the tops. That said, I switched to a Compass Maes 
Parallel and find it a bit more supportive than the Noodle when riding on 
the ramps. But the Noodle had the better tops.

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[RBW] WTB/trade Billiebar, 130 Rear Hub

[Jonathan D.]

Looking to purchase a Billie Bar to replace my Albatross bars and also building 
up a new rear wheel for my Rambouillet. I was wondering if anyone has a nice 
shimano 8-10 speed compatible 32 spoke rear hub to go with an A23 Rim.  I could 
make a 135 work as well but will use the wheels on either a Ram or Monstercross 
with Bon Jon tires. 

I have Nitto noodle, moustache bars, multiple stems, Albatross, 58 Bosco, 
Brooks saddles b17 or Sugino cransets I could trade. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Randall Rupp]

I may have to upgrade (more likely add another) at some point.  I like big
rubber, and the long wheelbase sounds fun.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Lester Lammers 
wrote:

> I have a 53 MIT Atlantis w/ Bille bars but could use drop bars with a
> short stem. I'm at the bottom of the PBH range. Enough top tube clearance
> for the jewels The fit is perfect. I don't think it is as nimble as a
> Hillborne but the cloud like ride is exceptional. My heels would never
> touch a rear load.
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-5, Randall Rupp wrote:
>>
>> The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size
>> - wow.  I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the
>> Atlantis geometry changed.  Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it.  I'm
>> sure they both ride swell.
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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Lester Lammers]

Jeremy. Is that the LA River in your bike pic? 

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 5:27:50 PM UTC-5, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> I've been riding a long chainstay Rivendell 
> 
>  
> with fancy Shimano v-brakes, double chainrings, and no front derailleur as 
> an MTB for the past 2.5 years. Guess I'm just ahead of the curve. 
>
> On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 10:22:38 AM UTC-8, Ryan M. wrote:
>>
>> Check out this Radavist article. 
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/?no_cache=1=IwAR2wUcRjIMLbddCD5n4U4xA6rikEuINj9y-XjlIZfnJOQgsysE7OwTA6N4o#1
>>
>> Yes, you can ride a Rivendell like an MTB and have a ton of fun doing it. 
>> Man, I wish I were tall enough to get a second top tube Riv, because I 
>> think they look awesome. 
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a great setup for an off road Rivendell, but I would go with a 
>> Cambium saddle instead of a leather one, personally, but whatever. I 
>> haven't used drop bars on an off road bike except for cyclocross stuff, and 
>> those bars I've always felt were too narrow. Not these; check out the width 
>> of the bars...just wonderful. I have to try and get a similar bike together 
>> as I just bought a set of these bars in 615 length. I was thinking about 
>> installing them on my Appaloosa but I'm really digging the Bullmoose bars I 
>> have on it right now. 
>>
>> Huh, might need another frame now. 
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano, Tektro, Nitto, and friends

[Dave Redmon]

Will you accept $35 for your Nitto Dirtdrop Stem MT10 80x25.4? 


Pls contact me offline.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Lester Lammers]

I have a 53 MIT Atlantis w/ Bille bars but could use drop bars with a short 
stem. I'm at the bottom of the PBH range. Enough top tube clearance for the 
jewels The fit is perfect. I don't think it is as nimble as a Hillborne but 
the cloud like ride is exceptional. My heels would never touch a rear load.

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> The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size - 
> wow.  I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the 
> Atlantis geometry changed.  Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it.  I'm 
> sure they both ride swell.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Lester Lammers]

I agree. I have a 53 MIT Atlantis w/ Bille bars. I'm at the bottom of the 
PBH range. The fit is perfect and the ride is exceptional.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 12:00:35 PM UTC-5, Hugh Flynn wrote:

> As a recent newbie to LCS (long chainstay) bikes, all I can say is try it.
>
> It's magnificent.
>
> Seriously. I look at my short chainstay bikes with marginal contempt now.
>
> Hugh Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 11:08 AM Randall Rupp  > wrote:
>
>> The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size 
>> - wow.  I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the 
>> Atlantis geometry changed.  Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it.  I'm 
>> sure they both ride swell.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:02 AM hugh flynn > > wrote:
>>
>>> Not to complicate things further, but there's also the Appaloosa to 
>>> consider. Pretty 95% overlap with the MIT Atlantis, but in different colors 
>>> and size points. 
>>>
>>> Def good for road and touring with the wider tire options of the 
>>> Atlantis.
>>>
>>> Hugh "Joe" Flynn
>>> Newburyport, MA
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jonathan D. >> > wrote:
>>>
 Has the tubing for the Sam changed over time?  I thought it was the 
 same as the old Toyo Atlantis, which I thought was double butter and 
 .9.6.9. I think I read it in an old Riv Reader. I am not sure in the end 
 it 
 really matters but always interesting to know. I have had a Sam and a 
 Appaloosa and a Toyo Atlantis. They all
 ride like a Riv, and as Bill points out, can ride similar based on the 
 build. The long chainstay heavier tube lend to loaded touring well but 
 skimmed down feels stable and smooth. The Appaloosa almost feels like you 
 are on water. It turns and handles great but in a very smooth way that is 
 unique. I almost sold the Appaloosa until I switched it back to 42s. Now 
 it 
 rides more like the Sam I sold. If I bought a Sam again (would love an old 
 green Toyo Sam) I would build it as a road drop bar bike. If I wanted 
 Albatross or Choco bars I would get a long chain stay bike. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar fender options

[Bob B]

Hey Kurt, 

Seems like you have a lot of replies already and I'm late on this, but I do 
have a 2016 58cm Hunq. I have Velocity Atlas rims and I run 55mm big bens 
and 2.1 Smart Sams, both have healthy clearance for SKS commuter fenders.

I know that's not as big as you wanna go, especially with cliffhanger rims. 
But I dunno if I'd go too much more than that with fenders, honestly, even 
with Atlas.

Hope that helps

Bob B.
Brooklyn, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Bill Schairer]

“The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size - 
wow. ”

I was on the phone with Bruce Gordon some months ago to order a rear rack for 
my Atlantis.  He asked me to measure the chainstays and when I told him 47 cm 
he reacted as though they were so long I must have mis-measured, but then he 
added “well, Grant does have his own ideas,” or something to that effect.

Bill S

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Ryan M.]

Is there some sort of history with Ultraromance co-opting queer culture or 
a bunch of straight white shirtless guys riding bikes? I'm intrigued. 


day, January 8, 2019 at 11:42:45 AM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:

> Bene has been a Riv rider for a long time and is what the kids call an 
> Influencer. I have lots of issues with straight white shirtless guys on 
> bikes but UltraBromance has done a lot of good for the cause of practical 
> bikes with fat tires and mismatched drivetrains. He’s also not orthodox so 
> he’ll use disc brakes and clicky shifting. I’m glad that most of ironic 
> co-opting of queer culture has vanished and now he just rides cool bikes 
> and sells well-thought out goods. 
>
> Ignore the marketing and focus on the wares.

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[RBW] Re: Four framesets for sale, so I can buy one.

[Bill Lindsay]

Mark S Hall asked two kind of cryptic questions:

"what size tire is fendered on your Roadini?"

I think this maybe should be translated to:  What size tires are pictured 
on your fendered Roadini?  Assuming that is the question, then they are 
Soma New Express 700x28 on the label.  They measure an actual 27mm on very 
skinny rims

"And fenders are shown?"  

I think this means: What make and model of fenders is shown in the 
picture?  Assuming that is the question, they are Velo Orange 700x35 
hammered in "noir".

Let me know if these were not your questions.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 8:51:16 AM UTC-8, mark s hall wrote:
>
> Bill, what size tire is fendered on your Roadini? And fenders are shown? 
> Mark 415-524-3426
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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Eric]

To Jack's comment, 

The Radavist is not transparent on which posts are "sponsored". 

But it's better to be "sponsored" by Riv than the Big S! 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Shimano, Tektro, Nitto, and friends

[Mike K.]

Update since a few things sold.

Again, the pictures can be found here 


Description Model # Size Condition Price
Tektro Dual Pivot Medium Reach brakes R539 Recessed allen nut Good-Excellent 
$40
Nitto Dirtdrop Stem MT10 80x25.4 Good $40
*WTB Horizon Tire (single)* *650bx47* *New* *SOLD*
*Tektro Interrupter "Cross" brake levers* *RL720* *24mm (for road bars)* 
*Excellent* *SOLD*
Shimano Tiagra road aero brake levers BL-R400 23.8mm mounts (standard road) 
Fair $25
*microShift 10sp Road shifters w/ barend pods* *BS-T10 or BS-T10B* *Fits 
road bars* *Excellent* *SOLD*
Tektro RL520 long pull brake levers RL520 Road drops for V-brakes New $30
Red Rando Bag appx 8"x8"x10" Fair $30
Vintage Bullmoose Bars 1" threaded x Excellent $70

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[RBW] Big Clem Ls anyone thinking of selling?

[Justin, Oakland]

Jim-
Ask @Hobocross on Instagram. He seems to know quite a few Riv-riders in Austin. 

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Justin, Oakland]

Totally - he’s very accessible. To be real: he reminds me a lot of Grant in 
that regard and many others.

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[phil k]

Since he popped up on instagram he's never really changed though. He was 
one of the first people I encountered that converted a threadless to 1" 
threaded stem. I asked him how he did it and he happily shared his 
knowledge. I asked him if it was durable, and he shared that he did the 
whole Arizona trail with it. Even now he still replies to a surprising 
amount of inquiries. I'm sure he gets tired of answering, "what bars. what 
tires, what saddle, what derailleur"" questions but he still does it.

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 12:42:45 PM UTC-5, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Bene has been a Riv rider for a long time and is what the kids call an 
> Influencer. I have lots of issues with straight white shirtless guys on 
> bikes but UltraBromance has done a lot of good for the cause of practical 
> bikes with fat tires and mismatched drivetrains. He’s also not orthodox so 
> he’ll use disc brakes and clicky shifting. I’m glad that most of ironic 
> co-opting of queer culture has vanished and now he just rides cool bikes 
> and sells well-thought out goods. 
>
> Ignore the marketing and focus on the wares.

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[RBW] Re: Inventory Management Project - buy a hub

[Justin, Oakland]

There’s also: https://velo-orange.com/collections/lighting

The E3 light brackets. They may be out of stock though. 

-J

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[RBW] Big Clem Ls anyone thinking of selling?

[Jim Bronson]

Anyone thinking of parting with their 64/65 Clem L?

My dad is having a hip replacement and needs a bike for rehab afterwards
per his doctor.  He's tall like me, so I can't think of any other bike on
the market that would work for him better than a Clem L.  He looked at some
of my bikes but commented that the top tubes were too high for him to swing
a leg over.  He's 6'5" and shinking somewhat, PBH unknown.

Would be happy to buy a new one, I'm sure, but understandably Riv only did
1 batch of big Ls, and I think something like 10 big Rosco Bubbes in an L
style.

I looked at the Cheviot presale, but I'm not sure a 60cm Cheviot is going
to be big enough for him, and I hate to recommend something that's
suboptimal if he's going to be dropping $2.5K into it.  He's not a cycling
nut like me or even my sister (who's kind of a runner first, cyclist 2nd),
so talking him into $1400 frame only might be too big of a stretch anyway.

>From past threads I realize that most of the big guys who got big Clem Ls
on this list were really happy with them, but I guess it never hurts to ask.

Alternately, is there anyone in the Austin, Texas area with a 60cm Cheviot
that we could compare against my dad's comfort level?

Hope everyone's having a great day.

-Jim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[RichS]

Randall:

I currently have a 650b sage colored Sam and a 26” wheeled MUSA Atlantis (46cm 
chain stays). Absolutely love them both. The Sam is presently set up as a more 
roadish ride with drop bars, a small handlebar bag and a saddlebag. It has also 
been set up with a basket/large bag combo which allowed me to carry a sizeable 
groceries front and rear. Handled just fine.

The Atlantis has a basket and a saddlebag so it does grocery and commuting 
duty. Handlebars are Albatross. I have run drops on it but my preference is for 
the Alba’s.

As others have said, there is overlap between the two models and you could 
certainly tour with the Sam. There are differences in the way they feel. Sam 
has a lighter feel at the front. Keep in mind too, the Sam’s geometry is a bit 
more slack.

The Atlantis on the other hand feels more “planted”, if I can use that term. 
The feel is stable, balanced and well, just plain neutral. These 
characteristics could be attributed to wheel size, geometry (not as slack as a 
Sam) and tubing. Probably just want you want if you’re looking for a more rough 
stuff ride. It feels pretty darn good that way on a smooth surface.

The tubing question has come up before; if my memory is correct, the Atlantis 
tubing is 0.9 straight gauge. 

Hope my observations are helpful. For sure, everyone else’s comments are spot 
on.

Regards,
Rich in ATL

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[RBW] Re: Inventory Management Project - buy a hub

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Marc,

I just sent an offline message... and thanks for making this known and 
available.  I suppose it is not the kind of thing needed very often but I 
am intrigued by the idea of being able to create small parts as envisioned 
and designed.  I need to learn more about what is possible these days!

Thanks for the info and the help.  

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 10:51:56 AM UTC-6, Marc Pfister wrote:
>
>
> If you don't plan to mount a rack but would like have a 50mm rack-style 
> dyno tail light, I have an adjustable design for a light bracket that 
> mounts to the rack bosses. You can configure the model to fit your bike,  
> download it, and send the model to be 3d printed:
>
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3091821 and
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3093032
>
> One has the bracket arms parallel to the face of the light. The other has 
> arms at 45 degrees to more efficiently bridge over cantilever and 
> centerpull brake cables.
>
> I have my own 3d printer so can also assist in getting these into the 
> hands of anyone that wants one. Just email me off-list.
>
> Marc Pfister
> Windsor CO
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Re: [RBW] Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Ryan M.]

I have 650b x 2.25 Schwalbe G Ones on my Appaloosa and they fit fine. The 
Ikons aren't particularly knobby so I bet they would work. 

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-6, Derek Atkins wrote:
>
> As the owner of a double top tube Appaloosa, I am a little jealous of the 
> swoopy double on the Atlantis. Does make me want to throw some Ikons on 
> though. Anyone know if the Joe can clear those 2.2s? 

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[sameness]

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 9:42:45 AM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> I have lots of issues with straight white shirtless guys on bikes


I'm listening.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Justin, Oakland]

Bene has been a Riv rider for a long time and is what the kids call an 
Influencer. I have lots of issues with straight white shirtless guys on bikes 
but UltraBromance has done a lot of good for the cause of practical bikes with 
fat tires and mismatched drivetrains. He’s also not orthodox so he’ll use disc 
brakes and clicky shifting. I’m glad that most of ironic co-opting of queer 
culture has vanished and now he just rides cool bikes and sells well-thought 
out goods. 

Ignore the marketing and focus on the wares.

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Joe Bernard]

All the Waterford bikes are pretty much gone, although I suspect if you call 
Grant and insist you want a Roadeo or Hunqapillar and are willing to pony up 
the cash and wait, you'll get one. 

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Chris L]

The new Hunqapillar is sort of an anomaly.  It was always RBW's true 
expedition or off-road bike but the new versions actually have short 
chainstays, compared to other new Riv models.  I believe the 56 cm Hunq has 
chainstays that are only 49 cm.  I also believe that the Gus Boots-Willsen 
is somewhat a stand-in for the Hunqapillar and it appears to have very long 
chainstays.  It would be interesting to hear RBW's thinking on where the 
new Hunqapillar fits and why they kept the chainstays on the shorter side.  
It would also be interesting to hear why it's currently on hiatus.  Maybe 
they plan an MIT version?  That would be spectacular. 



On Tuesday, January 8, 2019 at 9:53:15 AM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
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> I guess that sort of explains why Rivendell no longer lists the 
> Hunqapillar on their web site? Between the new Atlantis & the new Hill 
> bike, maybe it's a bit of redundancy?
>
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[RBW] FS: Gold Paul Love Levers (Compact)

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

Ok how about $85 shipped?

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Quickbeam in Chicago

[Jake P]

I'd bet it's a 56. This is the seller I bought my AR in summer 2017. It 
measures 55.5. I'd be surprised if this guy bought a 56 and a 58. 56/56 seems 
more realistic. I asked him if he'd sell the QB when I was there and he said 
'never!' hope it finds a good home.. they were good people. 

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Mark Schneider]

I am under the impression that the Atlantis is slightly heavier, with 
thicker tubing, and room for wider tires. I have a MUSA Atlantis and a MUSA 
Homer, and the difference in ride is quite noticeable. Kevin explained to 
me a long time ago that the Hillborne was in between the Homer and 
Atlantis, so they might be very close. If you are planning on staying on 
pavement the vast majority of the time I'd think the Hillborne would be 
fine. But, the long chainstays on the new Atlantis are perfect for panniers 
and it's stouter tubing might end up being faster with weight than an 
overloaded lighter frame. Either way, you have permission to buy a new 
Atlantis, I'm sure you'll love it.

Mark

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 1:48:56 PM UTC-8, Randall Rupp wrote:
>
>
> For those that have ridden both the Atlantis and Hillborne, how similar 
> are they riding-wise?  I have a lovely Hillborne in orange that I think is 
> great and have used on a couple week long bike tours, but have always 
> wondered whether the Atlantis was better for touring.  Hillborne seems 
> pretty stout and handles well loaded up.  I guess I can get bigger tires on 
> an Atlantis, but is that the primary difference especially now with the 
> made in Taiwan frames.
>
> Of course, now that I'm writing this I imagine this has been asked plenty 
> of time before, but I'll post anyway on the slim chance it hasn't.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[hugh flynn]

As a recent newbie to LCS (long chainstay) bikes, all I can say is try it.

It's magnificent.

Seriously. I look at my short chainstay bikes with marginal contempt now.

Hugh Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 11:08 AM Randall Rupp  wrote:

> The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size -
> wow.  I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the
> Atlantis geometry changed.  Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it.  I'm
> sure they both ride swell.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:02 AM hugh flynn  wrote:
>
>> Not to complicate things further, but there's also the Appaloosa to
>> consider. Pretty 95% overlap with the MIT Atlantis, but in different colors
>> and size points.
>>
>> Def good for road and touring with the wider tire options of the Atlantis.
>>
>> Hugh "Joe" Flynn
>> Newburyport, MA
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
>>
>>> Has the tubing for the Sam changed over time?  I thought it was the same
>>> as the old Toyo Atlantis, which I thought was double butter and .9.6.9. I
>>> think I read it in an old Riv Reader. I am not sure in the end it really
>>> matters but always interesting to know. I have had a Sam and a Appaloosa
>>> and a Toyo Atlantis. They all
>>> ride like a Riv, and as Bill points out, can ride similar based on the
>>> build. The long chainstay heavier tube lend to loaded touring well but
>>> skimmed down feels stable and smooth. The Appaloosa almost feels like you
>>> are on water. It turns and handles great but in a very smooth way that is
>>> unique. I almost sold the Appaloosa until I switched it back to 42s. Now it
>>> rides more like the Sam I sold. If I bought a Sam again (would love an old
>>> green Toyo Sam) I would build it as a road drop bar bike. If I wanted
>>> Albatross or Choco bars I would get a long chain stay bike.
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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[jack loudon]

Hmmm... Ultra-romance is called a 'Rivendell sponsored rider and mobile 
dealer".  Does this mean Ultra got a free frame plus revenue on (his) sales 
in exchange for promoting Rivendell?  No negativism intended, as it sounds 
like a good move, that will potentially expose Rivendell to a younger 
hipper market.

Jack
Seattle

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 10:22:38 AM UTC-8, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> Check out this Radavist article.
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2019/01/ultra-romance-and-his-rivendell-atlantis-mountain-bike/?no_cache=1=IwAR2wUcRjIMLbddCD5n4U4xA6rikEuINj9y-XjlIZfnJOQgsysE7OwTA6N4o#1
>
> Yes, you can ride a Rivendell like an MTB and have a ton of fun doing it. 
> Man, I wish I were tall enough to get a second top tube Riv, because I 
> think they look awesome. 
>
>
>
> This is a great setup for an off road Rivendell, but I would go with a 
> Cambium saddle instead of a leather one, personally, but whatever. I 
> haven't used drop bars on an off road bike except for cyclocross stuff, and 
> those bars I've always felt were too narrow. Not these; check out the width 
> of the bars...just wonderful. I have to try and get a similar bike together 
> as I just bought a set of these bars in 615 length. I was thinking about 
> installing them on my Appaloosa but I'm really digging the Bullmoose bars I 
> have on it right now. 
>
> Huh, might need another frame now. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Inventory Management Project - buy a hub

[Marc Pfister]

On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 3:41:07 PM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
>
> One thing of note, and I am not sure it is all that elegant, but I used 
> one of the rear tail light mounts (for a Clem rack) to mount a rear facing 
> SON taillight, there between the seat stays.  I did not have room on the 
> seat post for mounting there and also did not want to use a rack (as adding 
> racks and weight are my normal approach).  Anyway, it works!  
>

Bob,

If you don't plan to mount a rack but would like have a 50mm rack-style 
dyno tail light, I have an adjustable design for a light bracket that 
mounts to the rack bosses. You can configure the model to fit your bike,  
download it, and send the model to be 3d printed:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3091821 and
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3093032

One has the bracket arms parallel to the face of the light. The other has 
arms at 45 degrees to more efficiently bridge over cantilever and 
centerpull brake cables.

I have my own 3d printer so can also assist in getting these into the hands 
of anyone that wants one. Just email me off-list.

Marc Pfister
Windsor CO
 

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Re: [RBW] Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Mark Anderson]

Touché and chapeau for apologizing. It ain’t easy. 





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[RBW] Re: Bike tour around Idaho, ideas?

[Matt C]

Here is a link to a bike tour I did a few years ago in and out of Boise. We 
did it in four days, but lots of options to extend along the way. The 
scenery was great and the hot springs at Pine Flat were awesome.

https://intotheoutdoors.wordpress.com/2015/08/17/idaho-bike-tour/

Matt


On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 10:18:50 PM UTC-7, Mike Ahern wrote:
>
> Hi, anyone with an idea about a circle bike trip starting in Boises in 
> June or July?  Id like about 6 days of riding on a Riv Cheviot, some hotels 
> some camping, my thought is Id like to stay at hot springs as many nights 
> as possible.  
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[RBW] Re: Four framesets for sale, so I can buy one.

[mark s hall]

Bill, what size tire is fendered on your Roadini? And fenders are shown? 
Mark 415-524-3426

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 1:44:32 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Front Story.  Four of my framesets are for sale.  Complete bikes or 
> partial builds can be discussed.  I'm 5'10" with a 75.5cm Saddle height. 
> 86cm PBH.  
>
> 1. 58cm Gunnar singlespeed.  It's 58cm to the top of the seat clamp.  The 
> effective horizontal top tube length is 57cm center to center.  130mm rear 
> O.L.D.  Imagine a 55cm caliper-brake Hillborne with track ends.  Imagine a 
> MUSA-tig Quickbeam/Simpleone with caliper brakes. $600 
> Frame/Fork/Headset/Seatpost.  A complete would be ~$1200. Link to Flickr 
> Photo 
>
> 2.  54cm Rosco Bubbe 27.5" step through mountain frame.  This is the 
> Roman-designed Medium Mountain Step Through.  Imagine a tigged medium 
> Cheviut with cantilever brakes and clearance for 27.5 x 2.2" tires.  $600 
> Frame/Fork/Headset/Seatpost  A complete would be ~$2000 Link to Flickr 
> Photo 
>
> 3.  57cm Leo Roadini Grilver.  I've gotten my 1000 mile test ride in. It's 
> an awesome road bike, and I likely will buy another at another time.  I 
> have a bunch of nice road bikes that I can't replace, so this one is 
> available.  $600 Frame/Fork/Headset/Seatpost.  A complete would be ~$1400 
> Link 
> to Flickr Photo 
>
> 4.  59cm Niner RLT9 Aluminum.  Aluminum frame, carbon fork, disc braked 
> all-road/gravel/alternative adventure touring frame. It takes 700c wheels 
> or 650B.  Max tire width is ~43mm.  $600 Frame/Fork/Headset.  A complete 
> would be ~$2300 Link to Flickr photo 
> 
>
> Backstory.  I've got a ton of bikes.  I have decided to log 1000 miles on 
> Strava on each of my bikes, focusing on 2 or 3 bikes at a time.  Three of 
> these bikes have reached their 1000 mile quota and are going to be parked 
> for a while anyway.  This is your opportunity to grab them instead of 
> letting them sit in the stable.  The Gunnar singlespeed is a cute novelty 
> to me, but singlespeed riding is not something I need.  I've got 1000 miles 
> of trying it to prove I CAN do it, but I don't need to do it.  Having only 
> one gear gets me nothing.  Maybe it's time for you to do a 1000 mile 
> experiment, or maybe you know singlespeed is for you.  The Rosco Step 
> Through has not been ridden 1000 miles, but I want to replace it with a 
> 56cm 650B Atlantis frameset.  Rivendell has 14 of them in stock, so if you 
> buy this Rosco, you'll indirectly help Rivendell manage their inventory.  
> The Leo Roadini is awesome, but I can always get another.  The Niner RLT9 
> is awesome as well, but I'm convinced that if I'm going to run a 650B disc 
> road bike, I want to be able to run >2.1" mountain bike tires.  This frame 
> is limited to 43mm wide tires, which in my book makes the disc brakes 
> unnecessary.  There may be a Black Mountain disc bike in my future, or a 
> custom Steve Rex, but my Niner experiment is sufficiently complete.  
>
> Also available for sale:  A Lauf Grit suspension fork  $500.  Link to 
> Flickr Photo 
>
> Let me know if you are interested in any of the above.  I'd be delighted 
> with local sales, but bikeflights shipping is possible and negotiable in 
> the pricing of the stuff you buy.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[Derek Atkins]

As the owner of a double top tube Appaloosa, I am a little jealous of the 
swoopy double on the Atlantis. Does make me want to throw some Ikons on though. 
Anyone know if the Joe can clear those 2.2s? 

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[RBW] Nitto Noodle vs. Dirt Drop vs. B135 Randonneur - switching to drop bars with flare

[Pancake]

I'm replacing the Bosco bars on a new-to-me Sam Hillborne 56cm. I currently 
ride another bike with Randonneur B135 bars in 45cm but they're too narrow. 
In figuring which bars to use on the Sam I needed some information that 
took a while to collect - I figured to include it here because it's 
interesting and may save someone a load of trouble and time in the future.

Comparing the wider Nitto touring drop bars:

*Noodle B177* - the Riv standard for drop bars, slight rise and "the top 
flat portion sweeps back toward you slightly, bringing the bar closer, and 
the drops (lower portion) flare out four degrees" and secret sauce is the 
flat ramp up to the brake hoods. 

Width: 48cm center bar end to center bar end (also in 41, 44, 46)
Drop: 140mm
Reach: 95mm
Flare: ~4 degrees
Clamp: 26mm


*Randonneur B135  - *also has slight rise and flat section sweep back, but 
more flare out and not available as wide as others. The B132 has a 
shallower drop but a longer reach, otherwise similar but different sizes 
available.

Width: 45cm (also in 42) - Width at the drops is ~6cm less than the overall 
width
Drop: 120mm
Reach: 105mm
Flare: ~7 degrees (6cm less than the width 
Clamp: 25.4mm


*Dirt Drop RM-013* - very similar to the Noodle but with significantly more 
flare out (~7 vs. ~4 degrees). Lack the upswept flat section though. Also 
the similar RM-014 which has a narrower flat section and wider flare to 
make up the width, different sizes (50 & 52cm), and bigger clamp at 31.8mm. 
Similar flare as the B135. Middle ground between traditional touring drops 
(noodle) and a wider mountain bike drop (like the Cowbell or Far bar)

Width: 52cm (also in 46, 48) - Width at the drops is ~6cm narrower than the 
overall width
Drop: 140mm
Reach: 95mm
Flare: ~7 degrees
Clamp: 25.4 *or* 26mm


Mark's install / setup video for drop 
bars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEUm3VzF_Z0

Details of my planned setup:

Bars: RM-013 52cm 

Stem: Technomic 70mm

Brakes: TRP RRL SR Retro - gum color, drilled "speed" holes (Simpson's 
reference )
Shifter: Microshift bar end BS-T09 (friction or index on rear, friction 
front ... the BS-A09 is index on rear only)


Hope this saves someone else some time!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will 700x38 Gravelking SKs fit on my Ram?

[Mike K.]

Oh! I see. 

Yep, looks to be a pretty true 38. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will 700x38 Gravelking SKs fit on my Ram?

[Patrick Moore]

Mike: Thanks, but no need, at least on my account; I was just curious about
the actual width and whether my own guesstimates were correct -- I'd
guessed at 37 or so. It's just that so many tires are labeled "X" and
measure just "X-4 mm" like those Kojaks.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:18 AM Mike K.  wrote:

> Patrick, I got 38.2, but I dont have calipers. I used a small square to
> cut cardboard until it was contacting both sides of the tire then measured
> the space. Not sure what that’s worth, but it’s the best I could improvise
> in the moment. Next ride I’ll stop at a shop and ask to borrow their
> calipers.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Will 700x38 Gravelking SKs fit on my Ram?

[Mike K.]

Patrick, I got 38.2, but I dont have calipers. I used a small square to cut 
cardboard until it was contacting both sides of the tire then measured the 
space. Not sure what that’s worth, but it’s the best I could improvise in the 
moment. Next ride I’ll stop at a shop and ask to borrow their calipers. 

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[RBW] Re: Ultra Romance and his Rivendell Atlantis.

[masmojo]

I guess that sort of explains why Rivendell no longer lists the Hunqapillar on 
their web site? Between the new Atlantis & the new Hill bike, maybe it's a bit 
of redundancy?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[Randall Rupp]

The MIT Atlantis and Appaloosa have enormous chainstays, 52cm in my size -
wow.  I knew the Appaloosa was set up that way but didn't realize the
Atlantis geometry changed.  Haven't tried it so I'm not dismissing it.  I'm
sure they both ride swell.


On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:02 AM hugh flynn  wrote:

> Not to complicate things further, but there's also the Appaloosa to
> consider. Pretty 95% overlap with the MIT Atlantis, but in different colors
> and size points.
>
> Def good for road and touring with the wider tire options of the Atlantis.
>
> Hugh "Joe" Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:
>
>> Has the tubing for the Sam changed over time?  I thought it was the same
>> as the old Toyo Atlantis, which I thought was double butter and .9.6.9. I
>> think I read it in an old Riv Reader. I am not sure in the end it really
>> matters but always interesting to know. I have had a Sam and a Appaloosa
>> and a Toyo Atlantis. They all
>> ride like a Riv, and as Bill points out, can ride similar based on the
>> build. The long chainstay heavier tube lend to loaded touring well but
>> skimmed down feels stable and smooth. The Appaloosa almost feels like you
>> are on water. It turns and handles great but in a very smooth way that is
>> unique. I almost sold the Appaloosa until I switched it back to 42s. Now it
>> rides more like the Sam I sold. If I bought a Sam again (would love an old
>> green Toyo Sam) I would build it as a road drop bar bike. If I wanted
>> Albatross or Choco bars I would get a long chain stay bike.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar fender options

[Patrick Moore]

Living in a desert (9" citywide average of precipitation a year, from 14"
in foothills to 5" on west mesa; I'm in the middle) I ride rarely in rain
(thank God) and snow (unfortunately -- I like riding in snow), but living
in the SW, our rains tend to come in downpours and collect on roads
designed without gutters -- many side streets, bike routes, are designed so
that the curbside itself is the gutter, and you ride in temporary
streambeds. Long windup to short point: Despite 9"/year, I've ridden on
many flooded roads.

In my experience since 1989 with all the major metal fenders -- at least 2X
each for Honjo, Berthoud, VO; and with multiple cases of all the plastics
(Bluemels to Zefals), I have found no fender at all that will prevent spray
when going through 1" or 2" of water at speed. This despite flaps 12"+ long
and 8" wide, and 1/2" above pavement. Rolled edges make no practical
difference, IME.

Speaking of motorcycles: You motorcycle riders: do you get wet feet and
shins in the rain?

On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 5:46 PM Kurt Manley  wrote:

> ... metal fenders usually have a rolled lip along the edge that prevents
> water from flowing out the sides and blowing back on you.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Woolrich coat and pants-new photos added

[Steve Butcher]

Well, since this Coat and Pants set has been posted for over a month,  I'll 
drip my price to $110.00 shipped lower 48 CONUS.  Steve.

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 7:35:06 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> I note, now, having surpassed 300 lookers but no inquiries about this 
> offer; I'm wondering if there is maybe an issue contacting me using the 
> private messaging link.  My e-mail is docbutch...@gmail.com if you'd like 
> to contact me.  Steve
>
> On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 11:01:05 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> Hi Forum.  Just want to mention this Coat and Pants set is still 
>> available.  Steve
>>
>> On Saturday, December 22, 2018 at 11:34:09 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the kind bump, Frank!  Just a note for those still looking, 
>>> the coat and pants set is still available.  I realize holiday shopping 
>>> takes priority over personal purchases, so keep checking in as I don't have 
>>> them listed for sale on any other forum or classified list.  
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 9:03:55 PM UTC-6, Frank Brose wrote:

 If I didn't have a heavy weight wool Jacket and pants in my closet I'd 
 be all over this. Your price is way beyond fair. Dirt cheap for the 
 quality 
 of items you are offering up and whoever happens to be lucky enough to 
 finally end up with them will have some clothes that will last them a 
 lifetime. I've had mine 20 years and they will be around longer than I 
 will. For those that aren't familiar with what they are looking at and 
 without  going into details this is high quality cold /wet/snow conditions 
 outerwear. The Mackinaw (jacket) or pants would cost more than the asking 
 price a piece. Good luck with the sale.

 On Monday, December 17, 2018 at 5:40:29 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Obviously several lookers but no other inquiries at this point.  I'm 
> going to drop my price to $125.00 shipped CONUS.  Please PM me if 
> interested.
>
> Steve
>
> On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 6:10:26 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> [image: 20181213_164212(0).jpeg]
>>
>> [image: 20181213_164600.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 6:29:08 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>>
>>> [image: 20181206_111859.jpg]
>>> Good morning Rivendellians!
>>>
>>>  As it is evident that Rivendellians appreciate wool garments, 
>>> it got me to thinking about this coat and pants set I've had hanging in 
>>> my 
>>> closet for several years.  This could be considered New Old Stock as I 
>>> don't see that Woolrich offers this pattern of plaid at this time.  
>>> First, 
>>> I will offer some backgroound information.  Some years ago, I was in 
>>> Bass 
>>> Pro Shops Outlet store in Springfield, Missouri and found this coat and 
>>> pants.  I was rather taken by the look, construction, and quality of 
>>> the 
>>> product.  Both the coat and pants were brand new and not returned items 
>>> (the rack actually had several) but I decided to have them dry cleaned. 
>>>  I 
>>> never wore them because they are really intended for very cold and 
>>> snowy 
>>> weather; which we were not getting at the time.  So...the set has 
>>> remained 
>>> in the cleaning bag and hanging in my bedroom closet.  I really need to 
>>> make some room in the closet and this set should be in the possession 
>>> of 
>>> someone who will use them.  The coat is a size Large which, according 
>>> to 
>>> the Woolrich size chart should be a 42-44 chest.  The pants are a 36 
>>> inch 
>>> waist.  The blend is 85% Wool and 15% Nylon for both.  The coat is 
>>> lined 
>>> with a tan cotton twill lining and is all button closure for both the 
>>> coat 
>>> and pockets.  The pants are not lined but have an elastic cuff at the 
>>> bottom of the legs.  Now, wouldn't these pair up nicely with a 
>>> Rivendell 
>>> Grandfors Axe or Hatchet!  Would bring out one's inner Paul Bunyan, eh? 
>>>   
>>> As mentioned above, I've bumped my price down to  $140.00 shipped 
>>> CONUS.  
>>> Please send me a private message for any questions.
>>>
>>
>>  Also, thanks to lambbo for his recommendation for better 
>> photographs, I've added on a couple which I hope will help.  please note 
>> on 
>> the new photos I've added I rolled back the coat sleeves to reveal the 
>> inner ribbed elastic cuff.  The pants have been unfolded and you can 
>> more 
>> easily see the same type of ribbed elastic cuff at the end of each leg.  
>>  
>> The cuffs were intended to keep cold air from going up the sleeves and 
>> to 
>> allow tucking in the pant legs into the tops of boots or snow gaiters.  
>>
>>>
>>> Steve Butcher
>>> Stockton, Missouri 

[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo - complete bike 57.5cm

[jandrews]

Hello
I've had some questions regarding the other measurements and geometry of 
this frame.
This bike is looking very close to a 57cm Roadini geo from the charts 
Here's some measurements taken with a tailors tape by me attempting to be 
as precise and accurate as possible 

   - The Top Tube is 57.5cm center to center with what appears to be 
   essentially a 59cm effective top tube
   - The Seat Tube is measuring 57.5cm center to center 
   - The Down Tube is measuring 64.4cm center to center
   - The Head Tube is measuring 21.5cm
   - The Chain Stays are measuring 45.5cm center to center 
   - The Seat Stays are measuring 38.5cm (*from the dropout center to the 
   brake bridge*) 
   









On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 11:23:03 AM UTC-5, jandrews wrote:
>
> Greetings Bunch 
> I'm bumping this sale again...
> I've completed my move into a new old (house) and I must find a new home 
> for this spritely yet comfy roadish Protovelo.
> Dropping price to $1200 including shipping (in co. US)
> Please respond with any questions 
> thanks 
> Jason
>
>
> I’m reposting this Protovelo for sale after happily not selling it last 
> year.  It was a terrific performer this summer but I still would like to 
> sell it.  I’m moving into a new place and majorly need to downsize plus my 
> riding is less and less roady. 
>
>
> 57.5cm Protovelo road bike for sale:
>
>
> [image: PV26.JPG]
>
>
>
> This is a fun, light and nimble bike looking for a new home. 
>
>
> The frame is somewhat of an odd duck. I am not sure what exactly this 
> frame was a prototype for, although a current Riv employee suggested it 
> could've been geometry testing for the San Marcos with thinner tubing.
>
>
> I purchased it from Kevin at Riv in about 2012.  I was interested in 
> buying a Roadeo at the time and they posted this frameset and I purchased 
> it instead. 
>
>
> I believe that it has a Roadeo fork from Toyo in JP.   It’s a slender, 
> nicely curved fork with cream dropouts and no mounting bosses mid-fork.  
> (the seat stays have typical Riv bosses, 2 at the dropouts and one mid-stay 
> and one by the seat cluster)
>
> This frameset has Hilborne headtube lugs and a Homer bottom bracket shell. 
>  Also, odd-duckishly, the front fork takes a medium-reach caliper and the 
> rear brake is a long-reach.  I believe the frame was U.S. made.  Also, I 
> believe the color is "RBW Blue".
>
> The sizing was listed as 57.5cm and that’s the measurement for both the 
> seat tube and the top tube.
>
> Rear spacing is 130mm.
>
>
> My PBH is 84.5 and this bike was just a smidge big for me but never ever a 
> real issue.  When I'm standing with feet firmly on the ground the top tube 
> is right up there but workable.
>
> The reach on this bike is great compared to my too-long top tube 
> first-generation Hillborne which is 56/59.
>
>
> I built this bike up as a go-fast road bike and while it served that 
> purpose very well, that’s not the type of riding I really do.  I ride my 
> much heavier Hillborne more or my off-road singlespeed.
>
>
> The wheels are very nice, built by Anthony King.  - White Industries T11 
> polished 28h laced to IRD “Cadence” lightweight rims..  Rear is “VSR” or 
> offset.  Both have wheelsmith spokes. (42 Wheelsmith XL14 2.0/1.5/2.0 
>  Silver Spoke w/  Brass Nipples & 14 Wheelsmith DB14 2.0/1.7/2.0 Silver 
> Spoke w/ Silver Brass Nipples)
>
>
> Tires are Jack Brown Greens with plenty of life left
>
>
> Cream longboard fenders
>
>
> SRAM Apex mini-group - Front and Rear Derailleurs as well as a SRAM 
> cassette (11-32 10spd) & chain and Apex “double tap” shifter/levers
>
>
> Crankset - NOS (*when I installed it*) - 170mm Sugino AT with 
> Specialities TA “Syrius” 50/34 10 speed chainrings  {122.5 UN52 bb)
>
>
> Bars are Mark’s “Dream Bar” in heat treated 46cm by Nitto.
>
> Stem is 9cm or 10cm Tech Deluxe...I'll check.
>
> Wrapped in black Newbaums.
>
>
> Headset is FSA that Riv uses.
>
>
> Brakes - Rear Tektro R559, Front Tektro R538
>
>
> Seatpost - Thomson “Elite” , black - no offset.
>
>
> CLEARANCE: The bike is running JB greens with longboard fenders.  I think 
> it would probably run Barlow Pass 38's without a problem, but I haven't 
> tested that.  After doing some research by the numbers, I believethat 
> Paul Racers (not M's) would handle the difference of the long reach in the 
> back and med reach in the front and allow for a little more clearance 
> ...but I haven't personally tested that.
>
>
> Issues:  {pics attached for all this}
>
> There are few small chips in the paint. , the most offensive being on the 
> downtube just below the water bottle cage.  There is also a small one on 
> the top tube as well as a couple small ones on the inside of the non-drive 
> side chain stay and some rash along drive-side seat stay.  Most of this was 
> received from being in my Thule car bike carrier and being rubbed my 
> friends bike next to it.
>
> I've detailed these chips in the photo gallery 
>
>
> I'm in the Hudson 

Re: [RBW] Re: Will 700x38 Gravelking SKs fit on my Ram?

[Jonathan D.]

Yes. I was able to fit 38 G one all road on my Romulus. 

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[RBW] FS: Brooks B17

[Marc Irwin]

Brooks B17, antique brown.  Well used,  well cared for.  Some Profide and a 
spanner included.  $60 shipped USPS Priority CONUS.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis and Hillborne

[hugh flynn]

Not to complicate things further, but there's also the Appaloosa to
consider. Pretty 95% overlap with the MIT Atlantis, but in different colors
and size points.

Def good for road and touring with the wider tire options of the Atlantis.

Hugh "Joe" Flynn
Newburyport, MA

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jonathan D.  wrote:

> Has the tubing for the Sam changed over time?  I thought it was the same
> as the old Toyo Atlantis, which I thought was double butter and .9.6.9. I
> think I read it in an old Riv Reader. I am not sure in the end it really
> matters but always interesting to know. I have had a Sam and a Appaloosa
> and a Toyo Atlantis. They all
> ride like a Riv, and as Bill points out, can ride similar based on the
> build. The long chainstay heavier tube lend to loaded touring well but
> skimmed down feels stable and smooth. The Appaloosa almost feels like you
> are on water. It turns and handles great but in a very smooth way that is
> unique. I almost sold the Appaloosa until I switched it back to 42s. Now it
> rides more like the Sam I sold. If I bought a Sam again (would love an old
> green Toyo Sam) I would build it as a road drop bar bike. If I wanted
> Albatross or Choco bars I would get a long chain stay bike.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Will 700x38 Gravelking SKs fit on my Ram?

[Mike Williams]

I was actually going to post a general question to the list to see if anyone 
has fit 38c tires on their Rams or Romulus’.   Anyone else had luck?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2019, at 12:04 AM, Mike K.  wrote:
> 
> Also, I swear that's just bad perspective on the picture showing the fender 
> mount between the chainstays. I've ridden it and it doesn't rub.
> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm grey/orange, early adopter Hunqapillar frame and fork (w/original headset)

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great, striking color scheme!

David Lipsky
(My size, too!)

On Monday, January 7, 2019 at 8:53:15 PM UTC-8, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> The Hinqapillar seems to be the fastest selling bike on the list. What 
> makes it so unique and different from the other models?

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